D-60 and rebirth?

March 19, 2010

Namaste,

D-60 is an abstract/mathematical chart and NOT a physical chart. Angle between

Mercury and Venus can be anything.

* * *

> It is widely claimed that D-60 is a blueprint of previous birth.

This is merely the claim of ONE school of Jyotish (SJC). This principle did not

hold up in my studies.

It is very easy to pass off any claims regarding past life, as they cannot

really be verified. How to evaluate them then?

Sri KN Rao did some interesting research in this area. There are some authentic

cases of people who recollected their past life details. The stories they told

were independently verified by researchers, i.e. indeed someone described by

them lived and died in the place mentioned by them. In a few confirmed cases of

rebirth, Sri KN Rao collected the previous life's birthdata, previous life's

death data and current life's birthdata. A few examples are given in his book on

" Rebirth " . Apart from giving valuable data, he also made a very interesting and

astute observation on Vimsottari dasa continuity, i.e. links between

mahadasa/antardasa at death and mahadasa/antardasa at rebirth.

Given that that is the only authentic data we have regarding rebirth, any valid

principles must satisfy them. When I perused that data and tried to see links

between current life's D-60 chart and previous life's rasi chart, I could not

find any significant links. Forget the idea of D-60 being a " blueprint " of last

life's rasi chart, but there were not even any vague links.

* * *

BTW, there were some interesting links I discovered in those examples, using

Jagannatha ayanamsa and true nodes, between current life's D-144 and previous

life's D-144 (no lagna, only planets considered). Some interesting planetary

combinations get repeated in the two charts. D-144 is the D-12 (creation) of

D-12 (creation). It seems to hold some keys to the secrets of the soul.

There were a few interesting links I discovered, but I did not find any links

between D-60 and rebirth. Also, there is no link between chara aatma karaka in

the two charts as speculated by some.

Bottomline: D-60 may not have any link to previous life's rasi chart.

Especially, it may not be a " blueprint " of last life's rasi chart.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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---- sree ven <jyothishishya wrote:

>

> Folks,

> For a native born on 11th January 1969@14:50pm@79E40 & 11N06 (Mayuram,

Tamilnadu),

> while using Jhora (7.4 beta 2), I find Venus and Mercury separated by 113

degrees in D-60.

>

> It is widely claimed that D-60 is a blueprint of previous birth. How is it

that these two planets show a separation of 113 degrees whereas astronomically,

max elongation is (28+47=)75 degrees? I can understand this kind of separation

in certain other divisions, but not in Rasi or D60.

>

> Pl. educate me by pointing out where I went wrong.

>

> Thanks.

March 19, 2010

Regarding this I would like to submit some hint that was givn by Great Astrolger H.N. Katwe. He had mentioned it in his book that Saturn's house in present natal chart should be taken as a lagna and from that he suggested to judge Karmas of Past life and the reason of the present birth. Extremely sorry for not able to provid you wiht the name of the book as I read it in some library and at that time I was in industrial field having no public relation through strology point of view. Ao I did not fine it necessary to record the name of the book. But from his suggesstion I tried to understand my own horoscop and to the extent of 50% it withstands.

Nirnajan Sant

Narasimha PVR Rao <pvrvedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings ; jhora Sent: Fri, 19 March, 2010 8:08:28 AM D-60 and rebirth?

Namaste,D-60 is an abstract/mathematic al chart and NOT a physical chart. Angle between Mercury and Venus can be anything.* * *> It is widely claimed that D-60 is a blueprint of previous birth.This is merely the claim of ONE school of Jyotish (SJC). This principle did not hold up in my studies.It is very easy to pass off any claims regarding past life, as they cannot really be verified. How to evaluate them then?Sri KN Rao did some interesting research in this area. There are some authentic cases of people who recollected their past life details. The stories they told were independently verified by researchers, i.e. indeed someone described by them lived and died in the place mentioned by them. In a few confirmed cases of rebirth, Sri KN Rao collected the previous life's birthdata, previous life's death data and current life's birthdata. A few examples are given in his book on "Rebirth". Apart from

giving valuable data, he also made a very interesting and astute observation on Vimsottari dasa continuity, i.e. links between mahadasa/antardasa at death and mahadasa/antardasa at rebirth.Given that that is the only authentic data we have regarding rebirth, any valid principles must satisfy them. When I perused that data and tried to see links between current life's D-60 chart and previous life's rasi chart, I could not find any significant links. Forget the idea of D-60 being a "blueprint" of last life's rasi chart, but there were not even any vague links.* * *BTW, there were some interesting links I discovered in those examples, using Jagannatha ayanamsa and true nodes, between current life's D-144 and previous life's D-144 (no lagna, only planets considered). Some interesting planetary combinations get repeated in the two charts. D-144 is the D-12 (creation) of D-12 (creation). It seems to hold some keys to the secrets of the

soul.There were a few interesting links I discovered, but I did not find any links between D-60 and rebirth. Also, there is no link between chara aatma karaka in the two charts as speculated by some.Bottomline: D-60 may not have any link to previous life's rasi chart. Especially, it may not be a "blueprint" of last life's rasi chart.Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,"Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgFilms that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.orgSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic-

wisdomJyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- sree ven <jyothishishya@ > wrote: > > Folks, > For a native born on 11th January 1969@14:50pm@ 79E40 & 11N06 (Mayuram, Tamilnadu), > while using Jhora (7.4 beta 2), I find Venus and Mercury separated by 113 degrees in D-60.> > It is widely claimed that D-60 is a blueprint of previous birth. How is it that these two planets show a separation of 113 degrees whereas astronomically, max elongation is (28+47=)75 degrees? I can understand this kind of separation in certain other divisions, but not in Rasi or D60.> > Pl. educate

me by pointing out where I went wrong.> > Thanks.

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March 19, 2010

Dear friends,

This is discussed in detail By Sri H.N.Kateva In Ch 17 of his famous book Aadhyatam jyotish Vichar.This book in Hindi is published by Nagpur Prakashan Dhantoli Nagpr.

His own chart illustration makes a interesting reading.

with regards.

rc

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Niranjan Sant <shreegauriassociates01 wrote:

Regarding this I would like to submit some hint that was givn by Great Astrolger H.N. Katwe. He had mentioned it in his book that Saturn's house in present natal chart should be taken as a lagna and from that he suggested to judge Karmas of Past life and the reason of the present birth. Extremely sorry for not able to provid you wiht the name of the book as I read it in some library and at that time I was in industrial field having no public relation through strology point of view. Ao I did not fine it necessary to record the name of the book. But from his suggesstion I tried to understand my own horoscop and to the extent of 50% it withstands.

Nirnajan Sant

Narasimha PVR Rao <pvrvedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings ; jhora

Fri, 19 March, 2010 8:08:28 AM D-60 and rebirth?

Namaste,D-60 is an abstract/mathematic al chart and NOT a physical chart. Angle between Mercury and Venus can be anything. * * *> It is widely claimed that D-60 is a blueprint of previous birth.This is merely the claim of ONE school of Jyotish (SJC). This principle did not hold up in my studies.

It is very easy to pass off any claims regarding past life, as they cannot really be verified. How to evaluate them then?Sri KN Rao did some interesting research in this area. There are some authentic cases of people who recollected their past life details. The stories they told were independently verified by researchers, i.e. indeed someone described by them lived and died in the place mentioned by them. In a few confirmed cases of rebirth, Sri KN Rao collected the previous life's birthdata, previous life's death data and current life's birthdata. A few examples are given in his book on " Rebirth " . Apart from giving valuable data, he also made a very interesting and astute observation on Vimsottari dasa continuity, i.e. links between mahadasa/antardasa at death and mahadasa/antardasa at rebirth.

Given that that is the only authentic data we have regarding rebirth, any valid principles must satisfy them. When I perused that data and tried to see links between current life's D-60 chart and previous life's rasi chart, I could not find any significant links. Forget the idea of D-60 being a " blueprint " of last life's rasi chart, but there were not even any vague links.

* * *BTW, there were some interesting links I discovered in those examples, using Jagannatha ayanamsa and true nodes, between current life's D-144 and previous life's D-144 (no lagna, only planets considered). Some interesting planetary combinations get repeated in the two charts. D-144 is the D-12 (creation) of D-12 (creation). It seems to hold some keys to the secrets of the soul.

There were a few interesting links I discovered, but I did not find any links between D-60 and rebirth. Also, there is no link between chara aatma karaka in the two charts as speculated by some.Bottomline: D-60 may not have any link to previous life's rasi chart. Especially, it may not be a " blueprint " of last life's rasi chart.

Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

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------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- sree ven <jyothishishya@ > wrote: > > Folks,

> For a native born on 11th January 1969@14:50pm@ 79E40 & 11N06 (Mayuram, Tamilnadu), > while using Jhora (7.4 beta 2), I find Venus and Mercury separated by 113 degrees in D-60.> > It is widely claimed that D-60 is a blueprint of previous birth. How is it that these two planets show a separation of 113 degrees whereas astronomically, max elongation is (28+47=)75 degrees? I can understand this kind of separation in certain other divisions, but not in Rasi or D60.

> > Pl. educate me by pointing out where I went wrong.> > Thanks.

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March 19, 2010

Namaste Kiran ji,

Of course, one cannot be sure that D-60 lagna is accurate in the rebirth

examples given by Sri KN Rao in his book. So I did not assume them to be

accurate.

I took all the possible D-60 lagnas in a 15-minute window and considered all.

Still, there wasn't any considerable match between any of those D-60's and

previous life rasi charts, whether lagna or AL is taken as reference in D-60

(Sanjay ji originally taught lagna and switched to AL later). Hence I reject the

notion that D-60 of current life is a blueprint of D-1 of previous life or that

there is any significant similarity between the two.

* * *

Let me give an analogy related to destiny and free will.

Man is like an animal. His destiny is like a rope that ties the animal to a

tree. The animal can freely move within a small area around the tree, based on

the length of the rope, but cannot go beyond that. One animal may be tied with a

short rope (heavy karmas constraining one) and one animal may be tied with a

long rope (light karmas constraining one).

Horoscope throws light on the rope and surroundings of the animal. It does not

show how the animal moves around in that small area and how it negotiates its

surroundings. THAT is free will.

In fact, destiny is the sum total of actions (karmas) performed by free will

until birth. One adds newer karmas performed by free will during the course of

one's life. That sum total decides the next life and gets reflected in the key

charts of the next life.

Thus, a key chart in the NEXT life (such as D-60) cannot be solely dependent on

previous life's rasi chart or any chart. It has to be influenced by a mixture of

last life's charts and karmas performed by free will in that life.

* * *

BTW, when I mentioned similarities between D-144 across lives, it was only

w.r.t. planetary clusters. Lagna was not considered at all. There is no point in

considering lagna. Some planetary clusters repeat in D-144 across lives, making

me think D-144 holds some clues.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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---- Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:

> Dear Narasimha ji,

>

> D-60 means ascendant can change every 0.5 degree which means 2 minutes.

>

> So even difference of seconds can cause change in lagna -

> I think looking at D-60 becomes practically impossible and deriving results

from it meets the same fate.

>

> Do you know of any book where D-1 interpretation is explained as a set of

" rules " ? The closest book that I have seen is " Art and practice of ancient hindu

astrology: nine intimate sessions between teacher & student " by James Braha

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

> --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

> [JyotishWritings] D-60 and rebirth?

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> Friday, 19 March, 2010, 8:08 AM

>

> Namaste,

>

D-60 is an abstract/mathematic al chart and NOT a physical chart. Angle between