Guest guest Posted May 3, 2003 Report Share Posted May 3, 2003 Dear friends, It is nice to know that we have at least two members who have met Pandit Ji in person. So now the story of Lal Kitab being a Farsi book can be laid to rest. I am sure as and when Rajinder Ji and Ashim ji will have time they will share their experiences with us. Will be grateful if some one could share 1)the Varshaphal chart casting as per Lalkitab with the list. 2)how is it to be read? With regards, Jagmeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 Jagmeet Ji and Friends, Glad to provide an example of "Varsh Phal" (VP) or annual progressed horoscope example, based on Lal Kitab methodology. The VP table is a ready-made, pre-calculated, "look-up" table. With this table, one can make annual progressed horoscopes till the age of 120 years. True to the Lal Kitab fashion, no calculations are needed to make the VP. I’d like to point out that the Varsh Kundali (Annual chart) thus obtained, MUST NOT be used with traditional astrology otherwise it may cause erroneous results and needless confusion. In other words, the VarshPhal chart should be analyzed based on LalKitab principles only. Please note that Rahu and Ketu may not be seven houses apart. Also Sun, Venus and Mercury may not be two to three houses apart from each other. Any planets that are together in a house will move together in the VP as a group, for the life of the horoscope. This is the uniqueness of LalKitab. Consider the horoscope of a male born on April 26, 1983 at New Delhi. The time of birth is 8:20 PM. The basic birth chart is as follows: Ascendent: Taurus Planetary House Sign Planets 1 2 Venus+Mercury 2 3 Rahu 5 6 Moon 6 7 Saturn 7 8 Jupiter 8 9 Ketu 12 1 Sun+Mars Now, comes the hard part, the calculations needed for the Varsh Phal. We need to ascertain as to how many years DID the native COMPLETE on his last b'day vis-à-vis the today’s date. Today is May 4, 2003. The native's last birthday was on April 26, 2003. So we calculate the native's age on the last birthday as: 2003 - 1983 = 20 So the native completed (became) twenty years old on April 26, 2003. He is now running the 21st year (from April 26, 2003 to April 25, 2004). In order to examine his yearly results, we will consult Lal Kitab's Varshphal table for the Twenty-first year. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 "FROM" Age =================================================== 20 || … 21 || 12 2 8 5 10 3 9 4 1 11 7 6 "TO" 22 || … ==================================================== The top "FROM" row represents the planets housed in Janma Kundali's "kh.ana number." The "TO" row represents the respective houses into which these planets will move at the given age. So, the planets from the first house of the Janma Kundali (Venus+Mercury) will move to the 12th house in the 21st year. Rahu will stay in the second house; Moon from the 5th will move into the 10th house and so on. As a result, we will have the following Varsh Phal kundali: House Planet/s -- Rahu Saturn Ketu – Sun+Mars – – Jupiter Moon – Venus+Mercury You will notice that Sun is six houses away from Mercury and Venus. Only two houses separate Rahu and Ketu – this is what I mentioned before, a LalKitab peculiarity. Next, you want to determine which planets are likely to be malefic and which ones have the potential of providing beneficial results. In general, if a planet is determined to be a benefic in the janma kundali, then it should not cause too many problems during the year. One can do things to make a benefic into a malefic or the other way around. (Donations, doing prohibited/recommended things, bringing and establishing things that are likely to make the effects "go bad" or "good" etc.) There is a table in the 1952 edition of LalKitab that lists out by house number, which planets are likely to give good or evil effects. I’d be more than happy to reproduce that table, should there be a demand for it. (As far as I remember, only the ’52 edition has that table.) My personal recommendation is to chart the coming year's VarshPhal two months before the birthday. The reason is to prepare one for certain upayas that need to be performed even before the new varshPhal begins. For example, if Mercury is going to be in the eighth house (in this native's case his 23rd year), it may need a remedial measure to be started within 40 days before the completion of the 22nd year. Similarly, if Saturn is going to move to the sixth house, LalKitab warns against buying new leather goods (shoes, leather belts etc.) during that year; one may be well advised to buy such things before the commencement of that year (in which Saturn will move into the sixth house.) Similarly, there are some other situations, where you have to be forewarned. However, new remedial measures should not be started in advance, unless specifically mentioned (in LalKitab.) These observations are based on my understanding of LalKitab and I take responsibility for any and all errors in this letter. As always, I invite your comments. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatiajagmeet dheendsa <jsdheendsa wrote: Dear friends,It is nice to know that we have at least two members who have met PanditJi in person. So now the story of Lal Kitab being a Farsi book can belaid to rest. I am sure as and when Rajinder Ji and Ashim ji will havetime they will share their experiences with us.Will be grateful if some one could share 1)the Varshaphal chart casting as per Lalkitab with the list.2)how is it to be read?With regards,Jagmeet The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 Dear Rajinder Ji, Thanks for this contribution. It is another great mail from you. It would be highly beneficial for this group to get the list of malefic/ benefic for each house of varshaphal. I request you to reproduce the list for this group. A few weeks back I had e-mailed my horoscope to this group. I request you to help me finding out the malefic and benefic planets in my horoscope because I am still confused in knowing benefic and malefic planets for my horoscope. I want to understand the methodology of finding them. Thanks & Regards, Punit Paney --- Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: > > Jagmeet Ji and Friends, > > Glad to provide an example of " Varsh Phal " (VP) or > annual progressed horoscope example, based on Lal > Kitab methodology. The VP table is a ready-made, > pre-calculated, " look-up " table. With this table, > one can make annual progressed horoscopes till the > age of 120 years. True to the Lal Kitab fashion, no > calculations are needed to make the VP. I’d like to > point out that the Varsh Kundali (Annual chart) thus > obtained, MUST NOT be used with traditional > astrology otherwise it may cause erroneous results > and needless confusion. In other words, the > VarshPhal chart should be analyzed based on LalKitab > principles only. Please note that Rahu and Ketu may > not be seven houses apart. Also Sun, Venus and > Mercury may not be two to three houses apart from > each other. Any planets that are together in a house > will move together in the VP as a group, for the > life of the horoscope. This is the uniqueness of > LalKitab. > > Consider the horoscope of a male born on April 26, > 1983 at New Delhi. The time of birth is 8:20 PM. The > basic birth chart is as follows: > > Ascendent: Taurus > > > > Planetary > > House Sign Planets > > 1 2 Venus+Mercury > > 2 3 Rahu > > 5 6 Moon > > 6 7 Saturn > > 7 8 Jupiter > > 8 9 Ketu > > 12 1 Sun+Mars > > Now, comes the hard part, the calculations needed > for the Varsh Phal. We need to ascertain as to how > many years DID the native COMPLETE on his last b'day > vis-à-vis the today’s date. > > Today is May 4, 2003. The native's last birthday was > on April 26, 2003. So we calculate the native's age > on the last birthday as: > > 2003 - 1983 = 20 > > > > So the native completed (became) twenty years old on > April 26, 2003. He is now running the 21st year > (from April 26, 2003 to April 25, 2004). In order to > examine his yearly results, we will consult Lal > Kitab's Varshphal table for the Twenty-first year. > > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 " FROM " > > Age > =================================================== > > 20 || … > > 21 || 12 2 8 5 10 3 9 4 1 11 7 6 " TO " > > 22 || … > > ==================================================== > > > > The top " FROM " row represents the planets housed in > Janma Kundali's " kh.ana number. " The " TO " row > represents the respective houses into which these > planets will move at the given age. So, the planets > from the first house of the Janma Kundali > (Venus+Mercury) will move to the 12th house in the > 21st year. Rahu will stay in the second house; > > Moon from the 5th will move into the 10th house and > so on. As a result, we will have the following Varsh > Phal kundali: > > > > House Planet/s > > -- > Rahu > Saturn > Ketu > – > Sun+Mars > – > – > Jupiter > Moon > – > Venus+Mercury > > > You will notice that Sun is six houses away from > Mercury and Venus. Only two houses separate Rahu and > Ketu – this is what I mentioned before, a LalKitab > peculiarity. > > Next, you want to determine which planets are likely > to be malefic and which ones have the potential of > providing beneficial results. In general, if a > planet is determined to be a benefic in the janma > kundali, then it should not cause too many problems > during the year. One can do things to make a benefic > into a malefic or the other way around. (Donations, > doing prohibited/recommended things, bringing and > establishing things that are likely to make the > effects " go bad " or " good " etc.) There is a table in > the 1952 edition of LalKitab that lists out by house > number, which planets are likely to give good or > evil effects. I’d be more than happy to reproduce > that table, should there be a demand for it. (As far > as I remember, only the ’52 edition has that table.) > > My personal recommendation is to chart the coming > year's VarshPhal two months before the birthday. The > reason is to prepare one for certain upayas that > need to be performed even before the new varshPhal > begins. For example, if Mercury is going to be in > the eighth house (in this native's case his 23rd > year), it may need a remedial measure to be started > within 40 days before the completion of the 22nd > year. Similarly, if Saturn is going to move to the > sixth house, LalKitab warns against buying new > leather goods (shoes, leather belts etc.) during > that year; one may be well advised to buy such > things before the commencement of that year (in > which Saturn will move into the sixth house.) > Similarly, there are some other situations, where > you have to be forewarned. However, new remedial > measures should not be started in advance, unless > specifically mentioned (in LalKitab.) > > These observations are based on my understanding of > LalKitab and I take responsibility for any and all > errors in this letter. As always, I invite your > comments. > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > jagmeet dheendsa <jsdheendsa wrote:Dear > friends, > It is nice to know that we have at least two members > who have met Pandit > Ji in person. So now the story of Lal Kitab being a > Farsi book can be > laid to rest. I am sure as and when Rajinder Ji and > Ashim ji will have > time they will share their experiences with us. > Will be grateful if some one could share > 1)the Varshaphal chart casting as per Lalkitab with > the list. > 2)how is it to be read? > With regards, > Jagmeet > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 Dear Rajinder Bhai Sahib, Thanks a million for the varshaphal explanation.Could we request some member to make an Excel prog.for making the Varshaphal chart?Please find an excel copy of the Varshaphal chart attached. With regards, Jagmeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Hi Jagmeet and dear members,- I was just going thru' the Varshaphal table to find if these numbers indicate any pattern, and i came across a couple of errors (typos-probably). So just wanted to point this out to avoid future errors. 1. In Row number 46 in the excel sheet - There are two 1's (in Column J and Column M). I guess one of them should be 11(eleven) [Could you pls clarify this?] 2. In Row number 64, the first column(ie. col B) should read as 1 instead of 11 (going by the pattern indicated in Col B). Also, I spent a couple of hours on this table and was not really successful in finding if these numbers represent any pattern except for the first column(house 1 - Col B in Worksheet). If anyone could tell me if these numbers represent any pattern it will be easy to evolve an efficient algorithm to program. I would be very much happy to assist members in programming a good professional software for LalKitab. Thanks a lot Regards, Sharath. jagmeet dheendsa wrote: > Dear Rajinder Bhai Sahib, > Thanks a million for the varshaphal explanation.Could we request some > member to make an Excel prog.for making the Varshaphal chart?Please find > an excel copy of the Varshaphal chart attached. > With regards, > Jagmeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Sharath ji, Collective thanks from all of us for checking the accuracy of the worksheet. Here is what should be in the rows (years) mentioned by you. I haven't had an opportunity to look at the worksheet yet. Details of the two years pointed out by you are reproduced below: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 ================================= 46 10 12 2 7 5 3 11 6 4 8 9 1 ================================= 64 3 9 4 1 6 8 7 12 5 2 11 10 ================================= A few years ago, I and a mathematician friend, tried to analyze this table by using computer techniques. Though the patterns look quite interesting, we got nowhere with it. This is something that either Panditji calculated himself or, it was "dictated" to him by the unseen power. An elderly gentleman told me around 1966-67 that in the late 40's, Panditji had asked some people to do certain calculations for him (when he was posted at Ambala Cantt.) This gentleman thought that these calculations were for the Varshphal table. But the very first Lal Kitab, written in the mid 30's, already had the Varshphal table in it. Although your idea of an algorithm (we computer folks try to reduce everything to algorithms) is a wonderful one, yet I think table look-up technique will be the best bet for right now. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia Sharath Kumar Gajare <sharath00 wrote: Hi Jagmeet and dear members,-I was just going thru' the Varshaphal table to find if these numbers indicate any pattern, and i came across a couple of errors (typos-probably). So just wanted to point this out to avoid future errors.1. In Row number 46 in the excel sheet - There are two 1's (in Column J and Column M). I guess one of them should be 11(eleven) [Could you pls clarify this?]2. In Row number 64, the first column(ie. col B) should read as 1 instead of 11 (going by the pattern indicated in Col B).Also, I spent a couple of hours on this table and was not really successful in finding if these numbers represent any pattern except for the first column(house 1 - Col B in Worksheet).If anyone could tell me if these numbers represent any pattern it will be easy to evolve an efficient algorithm to program.I would be very much happy to assist members in programming a good professional software for LalKitab.Thanks a lotRegards,Sharath. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Hi Rajinderji - Hope u r doing fine. Thanks a lot for your email. How ever the doubt is not yet clear. I was mentioning about Row Number 46 and 64 (in the excel sheet) which is Year no: 44 and 61. Sorry for the confusion. Please clarify these two rows for our benefit at your convenience. Regards, Sharath. Rajinder Bhatia wrote: Sharath ji, Collective thanks from all of us for checking the accuracy of the worksheet. Here is what should be in the rows (years) mentioned by you. I haven't had an opportunity to look at the worksheet yet. Details of the two years pointed out by you are reproduced below: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 ================================= 46 10 12 2 7 5 3 11 6 4 8 9 1 ================================= 64 3 9 4 1 6 8 7 12 5 2 11 10 ================================= A few years ago, I and a mathematician friend, tried to analyze this table by using computer techniques. Though the patterns look quite interesting, we got nowhere with it. This is something that either Panditji calculated himself or, it was "dictated" to him by the unseen power. An elderly gentleman told me around 1966-67 that in the late 40's, Panditji had asked some people to do certain calculations for him (when he was posted at Ambala Cantt.) This gentleman thought that these calculations were for the Varshphal table. But the very first Lal Kitab, written in the mid 30's, already had the Varshphal table in it. Although your idea of an algorithm (we computer folks try to reduce everything to algorithms) is a wonderful one, yet I think table look-up technique will be the best bet for right now. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia Sharath Kumar Gajare <sharath00 wrote: Hi Jagmeet and dear members,- I was just going thru' the Varshaphal table to find if these numbers indicate any pattern, and i came across a couple of errors (typos-probably). So just wanted to point this out to avoid future errors. 1. In Row number 46 in the excel sheet - There are two 1's (in Column J and Column M). I guess one of them should be 11(eleven) [Could you pls clarify this?] 2. In Row number 64, the first column(ie. col B) should read as 1 instead of 11 (going by the pattern indicated in Col B). Also, I spent a couple of hours on this table and was not really successful in finding if these numbers represent any pattern except for the first column(house 1 - Col B in Worksheet). If anyone could tell me if these numbers represent any pattern it will be easy to evolve an efficient algorithm to program. I would be very much happy to assist members in programming a good professional software for LalKitab. Thanks a lot Regards, Sharath. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Sharath ji, Sorry. I haven't seen the worksheet yet. Here are the rows for years 44 and 61: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 ================================= 44 2 10 5 3 4 9 12 8 1 7 6 11 ================================= 61 1 11 10 6 12 2 4 7 8 9 5 3 ================================= Best regards.Rajinder BhatiaSharath Kumar Gajare <sharath00 wrote: Hi Rajinderji - Hope u r doing fine.Thanks a lot for your email. How ever the doubt is not yet clear. I was mentioning about Row Number 46 and 64 (in the excel sheet) which is Year no: 44 and 61.Sorry for the confusion. Please clarify these two rows for our benefit at your convenience.Regards,Sharath. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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