Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 I received the following in my email box this morning from a Vedic Web Site: "As a prelude to the launch of the Members Forum at Cyberastro.com, we had started an opinion poll on the home page. Last week's subject was "Personal effort can override signatures of a natal chart". An overwhelming majority respondents (76%) have polled "Yes", while 16% have said "No". 8% seem undecided about this matter. It seems most respondents are in agreement with Sage Parashara, the father of Vedic Astrology, in his summarization that personal effort accounts for 75% of results in life, while the balance is governed by the signaturesof the natal chart." I'd be interested to hear responses from Lal Kitabbers on this assertion. It is quite empowering to consider that one's efforts do matter more than a little. Colin Yardley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Hello Colin, I think sage Parashara has never written anything about it. I have sent and e-mail to Mr. Satrajit Majumdar, CEO CyberAstro.com asking for reference from BPHS. Anyway I believe that 100% is prewritten and we cannot change anything or only can change the things that are written to be changed. It is just my opinion based on my experience and other members can have their own opion. Punit Pandey --- Colin Yardley <yardley wrote: > I received the following in my email box this > morning from a Vedic Web Site: > > " As a prelude to the launch of the Members Forum at > Cyberastro.com, we > had started an opinion poll on the home page. Last > week's subject was > " Personal effort can override signatures of a natal > chart " . An > overwhelming majority respondents (76%) have polled > " Yes " , while > 16% have said " No " . 8% seem undecided about this > matter. It seems > most respondents are in agreement with Sage > Parashara, the father of > Vedic Astrology, in his summarization that personal > effort accounts for > 75% of results in life, while the balance is > governed by the signatures > of the natal chart. " > > I'd be interested to hear responses from Lal > Kitabbers on this assertion. It is quite empowering > to consider that one's efforts do matter more than a > little. > > Colin Yardley > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 I agree to this 100%. We have almost no free will or if we have, it is not more than 2-3%. If we had ANY free will, we could avoid any prediction, could be and do anything and do prediction would ever come true. This is the simpliest logic. Anything a man or person does or face could have been prediction right after his birth. Refer to Gita what Sri Krishna said - Although the soul in the body thinks himself to be the doer, he does nohing... Regards,Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Punit Pandey lalkitab Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:30 PM Re: [lalkitab] Personal Effort Hello Colin,I think sage Parashara has never written anythingabout it. I have sent and e-mail to Mr. SatrajitMajumdar, CEO CyberAstro.com asking for reference fromBPHS.Anyway I believe that 100% is prewritten and we cannotchange anything or only can change the things that arewritten to be changed. It is just my opinion based on my experience and othermembers can have their own opion. Punit Pandey--- Colin Yardley <yardley wrote:> I received the following in my email box this> morning from a Vedic Web Site:> > "As a prelude to the launch of the Members Forum at> Cyberastro.com, we > had started an opinion poll on the home page. Last> week's subject was > "Personal effort can override signatures of a natal> chart". An > overwhelming majority respondents (76%) have polled> "Yes", while > 16% have said "No". 8% seem undecided about this> matter. It seems > most respondents are in agreement with Sage> Parashara, the father of > Vedic Astrology, in his summarization that personal> effort accounts for > 75% of results in life, while the balance is> governed by the signatures> of the natal chart."> > I'd be interested to hear responses from Lal> Kitabbers on this assertion. It is quite empowering> to consider that one's efforts do matter more than a> little.> > Colin Yardley> Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook.http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Dear Tanvir, I have gone through some text by Raman Maharishi and Ram Krishna Paramhamsa. It seems that they were of opinion of " no free will " . If someone interested I can tell exact reference from books although I'll have to search a little. K.S. Krishnamurti (inventor of KP System) had of same opinion. Although this idea of 100% raises lots of questions and I am sure lots of disagreements. For example if this 100% theory is correct there is no remedy et al. or remedy works only if there is already indication of remedy in horoscope etc. etc. THE PROBLEM IS I DON'T FIND MYSELF ENOUGH INTELLEGENT TO COMMENT ON THIS MATTER. But I think taking help of Raman Maharishi and Ramkrishna Paramhansa is a good idea. Regards, Punit Pandey --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > I agree to this 100%. We have almost no free will or > if we have, it is not more than 2-3%. If we had ANY > free will, we could avoid any prediction, could be > and do anything and do prediction would ever come > true. This is the simpliest logic. Anything a man or > person does or face could have been prediction right > after his birth. Refer to Gita what Sri Krishna said > - Although the soul in the body thinks himself to be > the doer, he does nohing... > > Regards, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > - > Punit Pandey > lalkitab > Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:30 PM > Re: [lalkitab] Personal Effort > > > Hello Colin, > > I think sage Parashara has never written anything > about it. I have sent and e-mail to Mr. Satrajit > Majumdar, CEO CyberAstro.com asking for reference > from > BPHS. > > Anyway I believe that 100% is prewritten and we > cannot > change anything or only can change the things that > are > written to be changed. > > It is just my opinion based on my experience and > other > members can have their own opion. > > Punit Pandey > > > --- Colin Yardley <yardley wrote: > > I received the following in my email box this > > morning from a Vedic Web Site: > > > > " As a prelude to the launch of the Members Forum > at > > Cyberastro.com, we > > had started an opinion poll on the home page. > Last > > week's subject was > > " Personal effort can override signatures of a > natal > > chart " . An > > overwhelming majority respondents (76%) have > polled > > " Yes " , while > > 16% have said " No " . 8% seem undecided about this > > matter. It seems > > most respondents are in agreement with Sage > > Parashara, the father of > > Vedic Astrology, in his summarization that > personal > > effort accounts for > > 75% of results in life, while the balance is > > governed by the signatures > > of the natal chart. " > > > > I'd be interested to hear responses from Lal > > Kitabbers on this assertion. It is quite > empowering > > to consider that one's efforts do matter more > than a > > little. > > > > Colin Yardley > > > > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync > to Outlook. > http://calendar. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Hello, When you have some free time, please be kind to find the references and send me to tanvir :-) It is not necessary right now, since I am also kind of engaged in studies, will be free in July. Mr Das Goravani is of the same opinion and anyone who gives it a little thought will understand that there is no free will, if one believes in vedic astrology then there can be no free will - either of vedic astrology or free will power will have to be void to let the another one exist!!! Yes I do agree that remedy will work when indicated in chart. Gem, mantra, yajna - all are indicated by certain houses and without good influences on those houses, the person will never be able to find the good / correct remedy , or the remedy will not work etc. As per my experience I have seen that charity does not work for me - whenever I do any charity for any planet, I simply end up STRENGTHENING the planet !!!!!! Then I did charity of 9th Lord Venus to strengthen it, I had sort of financial trouble and a friend misunderstood me for no reason and blamed me like anything within the next day of charity. The friend was of libra lagna - ruled by venus which charity I did. And ve also is my 2nd lord so soon I faced financial trouble within next day. Thus I am too scared to do anymore charity to pacify any planet. I want to write an article on free wil after I find some free time, this might generate some discussion esp in my list :-) Best wishes,Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Punit Pandey lalkitab Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:06 PM Re: [lalkitab] Personal Effort Dear Tanvir,I have gone through some text by Raman Maharishi andRam Krishna Paramhamsa. It seems that they were ofopinion of "no free will". If someone interested I cantell exact reference from books although I'll have tosearch a little. K.S. Krishnamurti (inventor of KPSystem) had of same opinion. Although this idea of 100% raises lots of questionsand I am sure lots of disagreements. For example ifthis 100% theory is correct there is no remedy et al.or remedy works only if there is already indication ofremedy in horoscope etc. etc. THE PROBLEM IS I DON'TFIND MYSELF ENOUGH INTELLEGENT TO COMMENT ON THISMATTER. But I think taking help of Raman Maharishi andRamkrishna Paramhansa is a good idea. Regards,Punit Pandey--- Tanvir <tanvir wrote:> I agree to this 100%. We have almost no free will or> if we have, it is not more than 2-3%. If we had ANY> free will, we could avoid any prediction, could be> and do anything and do prediction would ever come> true. This is the simpliest logic. Anything a man or> person does or face could have been prediction right> after his birth. Refer to Gita what Sri Krishna said> - Although the soul in the body thinks himself to be> the doer, he does nohing...> > Regards,> Tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > > - > Punit Pandey > lalkitab > Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:30 PM> Re: [lalkitab] Personal Effort> > > Hello Colin,> > I think sage Parashara has never written anything> about it. I have sent and e-mail to Mr. Satrajit> Majumdar, CEO CyberAstro.com asking for reference> from> BPHS.> > Anyway I believe that 100% is prewritten and we> cannot> change anything or only can change the things that> are> written to be changed. > > It is just my opinion based on my experience and> other> members can have their own opion. > > Punit Pandey> > > --- Colin Yardley <yardley wrote:> > I received the following in my email box this> > morning from a Vedic Web Site:> > > > "As a prelude to the launch of the Members Forum> at> > Cyberastro.com, we > > had started an opinion poll on the home page.> Last> > week's subject was > > "Personal effort can override signatures of a> natal> > chart". An > > overwhelming majority respondents (76%) have> polled> > "Yes", while > > 16% have said "No". 8% seem undecided about this> > matter. It seems > > most respondents are in agreement with Sage> > Parashara, the father of > > Vedic Astrology, in his summarization that> personal> > effort accounts for > > 75% of results in life, while the balance is> > governed by the signatures> > of the natal chart."> > > > I'd be interested to hear responses from Lal> > Kitabbers on this assertion. It is quite> empowering> > to consider that one's efforts do matter more> than a> > little.> > > > Colin Yardley> > > > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync> to Outlook.> http://calendar.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 dear sir, i too agreed with you. but this is not , no free will this taking karma in another way which is easy way.even in vedhas say remedy are accepted , tahst why it gave mantra like ruduram , chammagam like that. suppose for example your karma is to travel by bus- now the question is which bus , luxvary bus , or ordinary bus , or ac bus. now if you do remedy you can go luxvary bus. if do uppasana you can travel by ac bus (but u r belif must be strong enough it must be one god) but if you do nothing the u have to travel by ordinary bus. yes maharashi raman . i dont have second thought on him . but karma surrender uis also possible. i can give so many examples reg this. hari om namo narayana adhi narayana, lakshimi narayana n.rajagoopalan --- Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote: > Dear Tanvir, > > I have gone through some text by Raman Maharishi and > Ram Krishna Paramhamsa. It seems that they were of > opinion of " no free will " . If someone interested I > can > tell exact reference from books although I'll have > to > search a little. K.S. Krishnamurti (inventor of KP > System) had of same opinion. > > Although this idea of 100% raises lots of questions > and I am sure lots of disagreements. For example if > this 100% theory is correct there is no remedy et > al. > or remedy works only if there is already indication > of > remedy in horoscope etc. etc. THE PROBLEM IS I DON'T > FIND MYSELF ENOUGH INTELLEGENT TO COMMENT ON THIS > MATTER. But I think taking help of Raman Maharishi > and > Ramkrishna Paramhansa is a good idea. > > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > > I agree to this 100%. We have almost no free will > or > > if we have, it is not more than 2-3%. If we had > ANY > > free will, we could avoid any prediction, could be > > and do anything and do prediction would ever come > > true. This is the simpliest logic. Anything a man > or > > person does or face could have been prediction > right > > after his birth. Refer to Gita what Sri Krishna > said > > - Although the soul in the body thinks himself to > be > > the doer, he does nohing... > > > > Regards, > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > tanvir > > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > > > > - > > Punit Pandey > > lalkitab > > Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:30 PM > > Re: [lalkitab] Personal Effort > > > > > > Hello Colin, > > > > I think sage Parashara has never written > anything > > about it. I have sent and e-mail to Mr. Satrajit > > Majumdar, CEO CyberAstro.com asking for > reference > > from > > BPHS. > > > > Anyway I believe that 100% is prewritten and we > > cannot > > change anything or only can change the things > that > > are > > written to be changed. > > > > It is just my opinion based on my experience and > > other > > members can have their own opion. > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > --- Colin Yardley <yardley wrote: > > > I received the following in my email box this > > > morning from a Vedic Web Site: > > > > > > " As a prelude to the launch of the Members > Forum > > at > > > Cyberastro.com, we > > > had started an opinion poll on the home page. > > Last > > > week's subject was > > > " Personal effort can override signatures of a > > natal > > > chart " . An > > > overwhelming majority respondents (76%) have > > polled > > > " Yes " , while > > > 16% have said " No " . 8% seem undecided about > this > > > matter. It seems > > > most respondents are in agreement with Sage > > > Parashara, the father of > > > Vedic Astrology, in his summarization that > > personal > > > effort accounts for > > > 75% of results in life, while the balance is > > > governed by the signatures > > > of the natal chart. " > > > > > > I'd be interested to hear responses from Lal > > > Kitabbers on this assertion. It is quite > > empowering > > > to consider that one's efforts do matter more > > than a > > > little. > > > > > > Colin Yardley > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync > > to Outlook. > > http://calendar. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Dear Rajagoopalan Ji, It is always a hot topic among astrologers for discussion and everybody do have their own logics. But as I said before I don't find myself enough intelligent to comment on it. Better we should depend upon sages like Raman Maharishi, Ramkrishna Paramhansa or Parshara itself. As I told you before, I have asked reference from BPHS to Mr. Majumdar who is the cause of igniting this issue once again. Anyway it is strange to see members from THIS group agreeing with me ... at least partially. Regards, Punit Pandey --- " rajagoopalan.n " <ennraj wrote: > dear sir, > i too agreed with you. but this is not , no free > will > this taking karma in another way which is easy > way.even in vedhas say remedy are accepted , tahst > why > it gave mantra like ruduram , chammagam like that. > suppose for example your karma is to travel by bus- > > now the question is which bus , luxvary bus , or > ordinary bus , or ac bus. > now if you do remedy you can go luxvary bus. > if do uppasana you can travel by ac bus (but u r > belif > must be strong enough it must be one god) > but if you do nothing the u have to travel by > ordinary > bus. > yes maharashi raman . i dont have second thought on > him . but karma surrender uis also possible. > i can give so many examples reg this. > > hari om namo narayana > adhi narayana, lakshimi narayana > n.rajagoopalan > > --- Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > I have gone through some text by Raman Maharishi > and > > Ram Krishna Paramhamsa. It seems that they were of > > opinion of " no free will " . If someone interested I > > can > > tell exact reference from books although I'll have > > to > > search a little. K.S. Krishnamurti (inventor of KP > > System) had of same opinion. > > > > Although this idea of 100% raises lots of > questions > > and I am sure lots of disagreements. For example > if > > this 100% theory is correct there is no remedy et > > al. > > or remedy works only if there is already > indication > > of > > remedy in horoscope etc. etc. THE PROBLEM IS I > DON'T > > FIND MYSELF ENOUGH INTELLEGENT TO COMMENT ON THIS > > MATTER. But I think taking help of Raman Maharishi > > and > > Ramkrishna Paramhansa is a good idea. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > > > I agree to this 100%. We have almost no free > will > > or > > > if we have, it is not more than 2-3%. If we had > > ANY > > > free will, we could avoid any prediction, could > be > > > and do anything and do prediction would ever > come > > > true. This is the simpliest logic. Anything a > man > > or > > > person does or face could have been prediction > > right > > > after his birth. Refer to Gita what Sri Krishna > > said > > > - Although the soul in the body thinks himself > to > > be > > > the doer, he does nohing... > > > > > > Regards, > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > > tanvir > > > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Punit Pandey > > > lalkitab > > > Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:30 PM > > > Re: [lalkitab] Personal Effort > > > > > > > > > Hello Colin, > > > > > > I think sage Parashara has never written > > anything > > > about it. I have sent and e-mail to Mr. > Satrajit > > > Majumdar, CEO CyberAstro.com asking for > > reference > > > from > > > BPHS. > > > > > > Anyway I believe that 100% is prewritten and > we > > > cannot > > > change anything or only can change the things > > that > > > are > > > written to be changed. > > > > > > It is just my opinion based on my experience > and > > > other > > > members can have their own opion. > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > --- Colin Yardley <yardley wrote: > > > > I received the following in my email box > this > > > > morning from a Vedic Web Site: > > > > > > > > " As a prelude to the launch of the Members > > Forum > > > at > > > > Cyberastro.com, we > > > > had started an opinion poll on the home > page. > > > Last > > > > week's subject was > > > > " Personal effort can override signatures of > a > > > natal > > > > chart " . An > > > > overwhelming majority respondents (76%) have > > > polled > > > > " Yes " , while > > > > 16% have said " No " . 8% seem undecided about > > this > > > > matter. It seems > > > > most respondents are in agreement with Sage > > > > Parashara, the father of > > > > Vedic Astrology, in his summarization that > > > personal > > > > effort accounts for > > > > 75% of results in life, while the balance is > > > > governed by the signatures > > > > of the natal chart. " > > > > > > > > I'd be interested to hear responses from Lal > > > > Kitabbers on this assertion. It is quite > > > empowering > > > > to consider that one's efforts do matter > more > > > than a > > > > little. > > > > > > > > Colin Yardley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with > sync > > > to Outlook. > > > http://calendar. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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