Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 BIRTHS OUTSIDE INDIA, ACCORDING TO LAL KITAB This is another seemingly controversial methodology devised by Pt Roop Chand Jee. However, just like other unconventional methods of LalKitab, this also works wonderfully well. Years ago, I was visiting Pandit Jee. While looking at my horoscope the great one asked me if I had a daughter who should have been born about a year ago. When I replied in the affirmative he wanted to take a look at my daughter's horoscope. " I can bet that your daughter's Jupiter is in the 8th and Sun in the 2nd, " he asserted. When I told him that I did not have the horoscope (and the confusion caused by two astrologers who had come up with different ascendants) he promptly volunteered to cast it there and then. That is when I saw this Lagna Sarni (LS) which Shri Vijay Arora has mentioned. He converted the Washington, DC time to IST and then determined the ascendant from the LS. Following that, he took out Pt Devi Dayal's almanac and had my daughter's horoscope within less than a minute. I thought the method was very "illogical" (converting Washington, DC time to "Madras time") and then taking that as the time of birth. BUT when Pandit Jee started the verification process, I was swept off my feet. Of course the Jupiter was in the eighth house and Sun was in the second. "This is your muqaddar, there are going to be more of Jupiter eights in the khaandaan. This is going to protect you all." (A few years later, my son was born with Jupiter in the, you guessed it, eighth house.) During a subsequent visit, I questioned Pandit Jee about "Madras time" and the rationale behind this. He admitted that this was a very unorthodox approach. He had noticed that he was getting "wrong" results with horoscopes of "foreign borns." The ascendant needed adjustment by two, three, four or more houses to match the actual "haalat." That is when he gave the matter a deep thought and came up with the idea of the standard time based in India. After that, all the pieces fell in place. Madras based standard time was the key. I am sold on the accuracy of this methodology and I use this LS only for "foreign borns" Pandit Som Dutt Jee always does that and there are many others. Always, do we get amazingly correct results. Pandit Jee gave me an "argument of arguments" and I had no more doubts left after that. He said (and I translate it) - "This knowledge was dictated to me. Who knows more about LalKitab than me? The method works, if applied strictly with LalKitab principles? Also, why Greenwich? Why not Madras? After all we originated these things way before they could even count?" Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Bhatia ji, I was waiting for your e-mail for clarification. But now your e-mail has made me more confused :-). Till now I have not used this "lagna sarni" for casting the horoscope whether foreign or Indian. Do u mean that all foreign horoscope casted by me are incorrect and can not be used for Lal Kitab system? Please clarify this confusion. Also if the lagna sarni is something small, can it be posted to this forum? Thanks & Regards, Punit PandeyRajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: BIRTHS OUTSIDE INDIA, ACCORDING TO LAL KITAB This is another seemingly controversial methodology devised by Pt Roop Chand Jee. However, just like other unconventional methods of LalKitab, this also works wonderfully well. Years ago, I was visiting Pandit Jee. While looking at my horoscope the great one asked me if I had a daughter who should have been born about a year ago. When I replied in the affirmative he wanted to take a look at my daughter's horoscope. " I can bet that your daughter's Jupiter is in the 8th and Sun in the 2nd, " he asserted. When I told him that I did not have the horoscope (and the confusion caused by two astrologers who had come up with different ascendants) he promptly volunteered to cast it there and then. That is when I saw this Lagna Sarni (LS) which Shri Vijay Arora has mentioned. He converted the Washington, DC time to IST and then determined the ascendant from the LS. Following that, he took out Pt Devi Dayal's almanac and had my daughter's horoscope within less than a minute. I thought the method was very "illogical" (converting Washington, DC time to "Madras time") and then taking that as the time of birth. BUT when Pandit Jee started the verification process, I was swept off my feet. Of course the Jupiter was in the eighth house and Sun was in the second. "This is your muqaddar, there are going to be more of Jupiter eights in the khaandaan. This is going to protect you all." (A few years later, my son was born with Jupiter in the, you guessed it, eighth house.) During a subsequent visit, I questioned Pandit Jee about "Madras time" and the rationale behind this. He admitted that this was a very unorthodox approach. He had noticed that he was getting "wrong" results with horoscopes of "foreign borns." The ascendant needed adjustment by two, three, four or more houses to match the actual "haalat." That is when he gave the matter a deep thought and came up with the idea of the standard time based in India. After that, all the pieces fell in place. Madras based standard time was the key. I am sold on the accuracy of this methodology and I use this LS only for "foreign borns" Pandit Som Dutt Jee always does that and there are many others. Always, do we get amazingly correct results. Pandit Jee gave me an "argument of arguments" and I had no more doubts left after that. He said (and I translate it) - "This knowledge was dictated to me. Who knows more about LalKitab than me? The method works, if applied strictly with LalKitab principles? Also, why Greenwich? Why not Madras? After all we originated these things way before they could even count?" Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 hello bhatiaji;we never met, how come what year you use to go amar nath ji i was uptill may 1975 visited with mr sharma from jullundur although i was not aserious student but my friend ,s wife who has tetnus after delivery came to life as pundit ji said she will not die but come out after staying 13days in dark and lo she has two more childern after that her life is normal and my friend is happy man this make me intereste in lal kitab as pun ndit ji says thing with confideance rajinder nath --- Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ ph/print_splash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Punit Jee, Who am I to say that the horoscopes that you have made of the "foreign borns" are "incorrect" ? If you have been satifsfied with the results, then that is all that matters. As far as the Lagna Sarni is concerned, it was copyrighted in the recent past and it is being included in Pt Som Dutt Jee's upcoming book. Not that I am trying to hide anything but I firmly believe that it will be illegal and highly unethical to violate the copyright by posting the book on the 'net. I am sure that all will agree with me on legal as well as ethical considerations. Respectfully, Rajinder BhatiaPunit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote: Bhatia ji, I was waiting for your e-mail for clarification. But now your e-mail has made me more confused :-). Till now I have not used this "lagna sarni" for casting the horoscope whether foreign or Indian. Do u mean that all foreign horoscope casted by me are incorrect and can not be used for Lal Kitab system? Please clarify this confusion. Also if the lagna sarni is something small, can it be posted to this forum? Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Rajinder ji, I just wanted to know your opinion. To be more specific, is the way with which I am casting the foreign charts are correct according to Lagna Sarni method? It is very unfortunate that due to some copyright issue we cannot even know the exact method of casting the horoscope. Could you please, on behalf of this group members and me, can ask Mr. Joshi to pass that information to this group. I hope Virender ji will also be also reading this e-mail. I guess, it will not be infringement of copyright, as you are not passing complete book but just the part of the book i.e. the Sarni. Regards,Punit PandeyRajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: Punit Jee, Who am I to say that the horoscopes that you have made of the "foreign borns" are "incorrect" ? If you have been satifsfied with the results, then that is all that matters. As far as the Lagna Sarni is concerned, it was copyrighted in the recent past and it is being included in Pt Som Dutt Jee's upcoming book. Not that I am trying to hide anything but I firmly believe that it will be illegal and highly unethical to violate the copyright by posting the book on the 'net. I am sure that all will agree with me on legal as well as ethical considerations. Respectfully, Rajinder BhatiaPunit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote: Bhatia ji, I was waiting for your e-mail for clarification. But now your e-mail has made me more confused :-). Till now I have not used this "lagna sarni" for casting the horoscope whether foreign or Indian. Do u mean that all foreign horoscope casted by me are incorrect and can not be used for Lal Kitab system? Please clarify this confusion. Also if the lagna sarni is something small, can it be posted to this forum? Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Dear Rajinder Ji/Punit Ji: Rajinder Ji, you just confirmed what i thought was the case. My understanding is: a) It is the Laga Sarni (incl its methodology) that is copyrighted. Lagan Sarni is a stand alone entity and not part of a book. b) Copyright laws in the US (and the West) tend to be very strict and we need to be very careful of what we publish without appropriate permission from the people Punit Ji mentions in his note below. Best Regards Vijay Arora lalkitab , Punit Pandey <pandeypunit> wrote: > > Rajinder ji, > > I just wanted to know your opinion. To be more specific, is the way with which I am casting the foreign charts are correct according to Lagna Sarni method? > > It is very unfortunate that due to some copyright issue we cannot even know the exact method of casting the horoscope. Could you please, on behalf of this group members and me, can ask Mr. Joshi to pass that information to this group. I hope Virender ji will also be also reading this e-mail. I guess, it will not be infringement of copyright, as you are not passing complete book but just the part of the book i.e. the Sarni. > > Regards, > Punit Pandey > > Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > Punit Jee, > Who am I to say that the horoscopes that you have made of the " foreign borns " are " incorrect " ? If you have been satifsfied with the results, then that is all that matters. > > As far as the Lagna Sarni is concerned, it was copyrighted in the recent past and it is being included in Pt Som Dutt Jee's upcoming book. Not that I am trying to hide anything but I firmly believe that it will be illegal and highly unethical to violate the copyright by posting the book on the 'net. > > I am sure that all will agree with me on legal as well as ethical considerations. > > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > > Punit Pandey <pandeypunit> wrote: > Bhatia ji, > > I was waiting for your e-mail for clarification. But now your e- mail has made me more confused :-). > > Till now I have not used this " lagna sarni " for casting the horoscope whether foreign or Indian. Do u mean that all foreign horoscope casted by me are incorrect and can not be used for Lal Kitab system? > > Please clarify this confusion. Also if the lagna sarni is something small, can it be posted to this forum? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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