Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Respected Bhatia ji Rahu ka upay karte hue maine akser anubhav kiya hai ki jab surya aakash main chhupa ho to rahu ka upay kargaer nahi hota. Iska karan shayad ho sakta hai ki us samay shani rahu bali ho jate ho aur surya nirbal ho jata ho.Kyonki jyotish to jyoti ko janne ka hi doosraa naam hai.veh jyoti hamarei body main bhi gatishil hai. Maine anubhav kiya hai ki aur prayog bhi kiya hai ki cloudy day main ya barsati day main body-charge badh jataa hai.aur jahaan tak main samajhta hoon bizli rahoo ka hi hissa hai aur asmaani bijli to khastour per. Aur ye to ek samanya siddhant hai ki mausam agar dushman ke sath ho to apne aapko rok lena chahiye.Isiliye jab rahu ka surya ko maddenazar rakh ker main koi upay karwataa hoon to is baat ko saath hi likh detaa hoon. Vaise is prakriyaa main jahaan tak lalkitab ki maryaadaa ka sawaal hai vo to barkaraar hi rehti hai.Fir bhi mere is addhyayan ke anusar kiye hue prayog per main aapke vistrit vichar chahoongaa.Kyonki main jyotish ka addhyayan kewal lalkitab ke prishthon per hi nahi uske siddhanto ke anurup prayog karte hue bhi kartaa hoon.Mere vichar se jyotish ek vigyaan hai aur lalkitab us vigyan ka ek sateek suljhaa hua lekin samajhne main durooh granth hai.Iskaa pratyek upay ek upay nahi balki ek prayog ka result hai.Yeh ek superscientist ki anmol kriti hai aur hum sab to keval vidyarthi hi hain.Ise padhte hue aisaa lagtaa hai jaise kisi ne 2+2=4 to bataa diye lekin sawal chhod diya ki 2+3=?, 5+6=? ,7+2=? kya hotaa hai apne aap jano. AAPKA PRIY Lalkitabee lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > Dear Pandit LalKitabee Jee, > > There is absolutely NO restriction on doing an upaya on a rainy or a cloudy day. Such days have NEVER been prohibited by LalKitab system. > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote: > > Respected Sir Ranger > As I prescribed that > ...... > > Note;- All remedies shuld be done with a gap of two to three days. > Never do any remedy in night or in a cloudy day. > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Respected Lal Kitabee Jee, I fully agree with you. jab mausam dushman ke saath ho to sanyam baratna chahiye. Lal Kitab ke shabdon ko jaan ne bhar se kitab ke marm ko nahi jaana jaa saktaa. Aapne marm ko jaan ne ka prayas kiya hai. yahi to kitab ki aatman hai. SADHU VAAD aaj aap se mujhe seekhane ko kuchh mila, with respect to all the gurus. bhuwan lalkitab , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee> wrote: > Respected Bhatia ji > Rahu ka upay karte hue maine akser anubhav kiya hai ki jab > surya aakash main chhupa ho to rahu ka upay kargaer nahi hota. Iska > karan shayad ho sakta hai ki us samay shani rahu bali ho jate ho aur > surya nirbal ho jata ho.Kyonki jyotish to jyoti ko janne ka hi > doosraa naam hai.veh jyoti hamarei body main bhi gatishil hai. Maine > anubhav kiya hai ki aur prayog bhi kiya hai ki cloudy day main ya > barsati day main body-charge badh jataa hai.aur jahaan tak main > samajhta hoon bizli rahoo ka hi hissa hai aur asmaani bijli to > khastour per. Aur ye to ek samanya siddhant hai ki mausam agar > dushman ke sath ho to apne aapko rok lena chahiye.Isiliye jab rahu ka > surya ko maddenazar rakh ker main koi upay karwataa hoon to is baat > ko saath hi likh detaa hoon. > Vaise is prakriyaa main jahaan tak lalkitab ki maryaadaa ka > sawaal hai vo to barkaraar hi rehti hai.Fir bhi mere is addhyayan ke > anusar kiye hue prayog per main aapke vistrit vichar > chahoongaa.Kyonki main jyotish ka addhyayan kewal lalkitab ke > prishthon per hi nahi uske siddhanto ke anurup prayog karte hue bhi > kartaa hoon.Mere vichar se jyotish ek vigyaan hai aur lalkitab us > vigyan ka ek sateek suljhaa hua lekin samajhne main durooh granth > hai.Iskaa pratyek upay ek upay nahi balki ek prayog ka result hai.Yeh > ek superscientist ki anmol kriti hai aur hum sab to keval vidyarthi > hi hain.Ise padhte hue aisaa lagtaa hai jaise kisi ne 2+2=4 to bataa > diye lekin sawal chhod diya ki 2+3=?, 5+6=? ,7+2=? kya hotaa hai apne > aap jano. > AAPKA PRIY > Lalkitabee > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > Dear Pandit LalKitabee Jee, > > > > There is absolutely NO restriction on doing an upaya on a rainy or > a cloudy day. Such days have NEVER been prohibited by LalKitab system. > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote: > > > > Respected Sir Ranger > > As I prescribed that > > ...... > > > > Note;- All remedies shuld be done with a gap of two to three days. > > Never do any remedy in night or in a cloudy day. > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Pandit Jee (Lalkitabee jee), aap ke tark se to yah nishkarsh nikaalaa jaa saktaa hai ki jis sthaan par adhik varshaa hotee hai, wahaan ke nivaasiyon kay "Rahu shareef" aur "shanee dev" hameshaa badmaashee par utaray rahengay. phir to saaray uttaree bhaarat ke aagaamee kuchh saptaah Rahu + Shani kee sharaartoN se bhare huwe hongay (varshaa ritu jo aanay walee hai.) upaay suchaaroo roop se kaam naheen karenge. jis praant mein mera niwaas hai wahaan bhee saptaah mein do-teen baar to varshaa ho hee jaatee hai. ab agar koyee 43 din kaa upaay kar rahaa hai to uskaa koyee kaam naheen sanwregaa yaa der se sanwaregaa, yeh matalab niklaa. Aap meree baat ka buraa naa maaniyegaa - aap to hammaaray poojya hain; kintu meraa zaatee khayaal hai ki is argument ne ek bahut baDaa waham khaDaa kar diyaa hai. "barsati day main body-charge badh jataa hai" - iskaa kyaa abhipraay hai? Scientific fact is absolutely opposite of this. Static electricity tends to lessen in intensity when it is moist and humid. mere kayee mitra Seattle, Portland vagairah mein rahatay hain jahaan ke lagbhag har roz baarish hoti hai. unko main kayee varshon se upaaya bataa rahaa hoon jo taqreeban theek asar de rahe hain. mayray experience mein aisee koyee baat naheen aayee jo aap ne observe kee hai. yah bhee zarooree naheen ke agar Rahu aur Shani balwaan ho jaatey hain (jab Soorya saamne naa ho to ) to insaan ko dukhee hee karengay. doosra pahloo bhee to dekhiye. Agar kisee kaa Soorya pahle hee mandee haalat mein hai to usay door honay deejiye. Agar Shanee aur Rahu pahlay se hee (ya bordeline case hain to) honay deejiye, unhay balwaan (Soorya kee gairhaaziree mein.) Aaj ke yug mein to mein samajhataa hoon ke Rahu kaa balee honaa yaa Ketu ya shanee ka balwaan honaa zyaadaa zarooree hai. yehee (baarish/cloudy day walee) baat hamaaray ek aur mitra ne kahee thee (jinhey aap bhee jaantay hain) isee vajah se maine yeh baat kucch saal pahalay Pt Som Dutt Jee se check kee thee to wo hans diye aur bolay ke barsaatee/cloudy dinon mein upaya naa karne kee bilkul koi manaahee naheen hai warnaa unhey bhee pataa hotaa. wo bataa rahey the ki unke pitajee barsaaton mein khud upaay karte thay kyoonkee unheen dinon nahar mein paanee hotaa thaa. hamaaray Ambala mein bhee to Taangree mein paanee tabhee aataa hai warnaa saal bhar sookhee rahatee hai. yeh aalam to hamaaray saaray praant kaa hai. unke mutabiq sirf 4, 9, 14 kee tithiyaan ko nayaa kaam shuru karnay kee salaah naheen dee gayee. baqee sabhee din ek samaan hain except kuchh upaya jo clearly bataa diye gaye hain ki kis din karney hain. is tarah to logoN mein binaa vajah vaham badH jaayegaa. aap kafee mehnat kar rahey hain; bahut khushee kee baat hai. prabhoo aap ko safalataa pradaan kareyn. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote: Respected Bhatia ji Rahu ka upay karte hue maine akser anubhav kiya hai ki jab surya aakash main chhupa ho to rahu ka upay kargaer nahi hota. Iska karan shayad ho sakta hai ki us samay shani rahu bali ho jate ho aur surya nirbal ho jata ho........ Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Respected Bhatia ji Thanks for your kind reply.I was waiting for it.Yes you are rihgt.I may be wrong.But bacause astrology is a researchable work more & more so i discuss like this matters of decoding redbook's words(right or wrong) because i know after discussion we will get a result.And due to this discussion a new thing has appeared that-unke mutabiq sirf 4, 9, 14 kee tithiyaan ko nayaa kaam shuru karnay kee salaah naheen dee gayee.Now I can say that before performing remedies be aware about these rules:- 1.Any remedy should be done in the day only(except specially coded remedies) 2.only one remedy should be done in a day. 3.Next remedy should be done after with a gap of two to three days. 4.Consult before one month from ur each birthday. 5.Because our group is growing now so all of members of this group should note that who consults after his birthday & he had done remedies in last varshfal according lalkitab, he must provide the details of that remedies which were done during last varshfal. 6.Remedies can be done by concerned person or after the touch of concerned person remedy can be peformed by bloodrelated any other person. Respected Bhatia ji & other learned members if any other rule concerned with remedies is still remains please add after these rules but give No. -7 for that rule. I think by our grouped efforts some querries will solve at a single place.In future we can refer to that letter no. at once to any new comer of the group. Mr. Bhatia ji I observed that countings of varshfal are counted wrong in many published books.I have that mini book of varshfal which was provided by Pt. Roopchand Ji himself.So i want to introduce that book in group. But how? after scanning i donot know next steps.So I Request to our computer-specialist members to guide me about this matter. And i will introduce this book with a desire that any of software engineers.of group will create a software for varshfal and will provide free of cost for all group astrologers and for whom who wants to be indulged in this lalkitab system.I think any of us will take responsbility of this & never will be any chargings for this software.I have some other plans also but i will discuss time to time. Another point of discussion should be open about the MAKAAN KUNDLI & DIMAGI KHANE of lalkitab.I think our learned members will go there also step by step. With regards Lalkitabee lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > Pandit Jee (Lalkitabee jee), > aap ke tark se to yah nishkarsh nikaalaa jaa saktaa hai ki jis sthaan par adhik varshaa hotee hai, wahaan ke nivaasiyon kay " Rahu shareef " aur " shanee dev " hameshaa badmaashee par utaray rahengay. phir to saaray uttaree bhaarat ke aagaamee kuchh saptaah Rahu + Shani kee sharaartoN se bhare huwe hongay (varshaa ritu jo aanay walee hai.) upaay suchaaroo roop se kaam naheen karenge. jis praant mein mera niwaas hai wahaan bhee saptaah mein do-teen baar to varshaa ho hee jaatee hai. ab agar koyee 43 din kaa upaay kar rahaa hai to uskaa koyee kaam naheen sanwregaa yaa der se sanwaregaa, yeh matalab niklaa. > > Aap meree baat ka buraa naa maaniyegaa - aap to hammaaray poojya hain; kintu meraa zaatee khayaal hai ki is argument ne ek bahut baDaa waham khaDaa kar diyaa hai. " barsati day main body-charge badh jataa hai " - iskaa kyaa abhipraay hai? Scientific fact is absolutely opposite of this. Static electricity tends to lessen in intensity when it is moist and humid. mere kayee mitra Seattle, Portland vagairah mein rahatay hain jahaan ke lagbhag har roz baarish hoti hai. unko main kayee varshon se upaaya bataa rahaa hoon jo taqreeban theek asar de rahe hain. mayray experience mein aisee koyee baat naheen aayee jo aap ne observe kee hai. > > yah bhee zarooree naheen ke agar Rahu aur Shani balwaan ho jaatey hain (jab Soorya saamne naa ho to ) to insaan ko dukhee hee karengay. doosra pahloo bhee to dekhiye. Agar kisee kaa Soorya pahle hee mandee haalat mein hai to usay door honay deejiye. Agar Shanee aur Rahu pahlay se hee (ya bordeline case hain to) honay deejiye, unhay balwaan (Soorya kee gairhaaziree mein.) Aaj ke yug mein to mein samajhataa hoon ke Rahu kaa balee honaa yaa Ketu ya shanee ka balwaan honaa zyaadaa zarooree hai. > > yehee (baarish/cloudy day walee) baat hamaaray ek aur mitra ne kahee thee (jinhey aap bhee jaantay hain) isee vajah se maine yeh baat kucch saal pahalay Pt Som Dutt Jee se check kee thee to wo hans diye aur bolay ke barsaatee/cloudy dinon mein upaya naa karne kee bilkul koi manaahee naheen hai warnaa unhey bhee pataa hotaa. wo bataa rahey the ki unke pitajee barsaaton mein khud upaay karte thay kyoonkee unheen dinon nahar mein paanee hotaa thaa. hamaaray Ambala mein bhee to Taangree mein paanee tabhee aataa hai warnaa saal bhar sookhee rahatee hai. yeh aalam to hamaaray saaray praant kaa hai. unke mutabiq sirf 4, 9, 14 kee tithiyaan ko nayaa kaam shuru karnay kee salaah naheen dee gayee. baqee sabhee din ek samaan hain except kuchh upaya jo clearly bataa diye gaye hain ki kis din karney hain. is tarah to logoN mein binaa vajah vaham badH jaayegaa. > > aap kafee mehnat kar rahey hain; bahut khushee kee baat hai. prabhoo aap ko safalataa pradaan kareyn. > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote: > Respected Bhatia ji > Rahu ka upay karte hue maine akser anubhav kiya hai ki jab surya aakash main chhupa ho to rahu ka upay kargaer nahi hota. Iska karan shayad ho sakta hai ki us samay shani rahu bali ho jate ho aur surya nirbal ho jata ho........ > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Pandit Ji Sat sri akal, Maine aapko apne mesage mein ek darkhwast ki hai, ke jo maine pehli martabaa koshish ki hai us pe apni rai dene ki zehmat karein. Kyaa varshaphal nikaalne ke baad sirf jo yahaa pe kitaab hai, uske hisaab se jo ilaaj/upay hai woh karne hai? Is sawaal ke jawaab ke saath saath jab aap ko fursat/mauka mile to mere tewe ko dekhne ki meherbaani bhi kariye. Tewe kaa byaaura mere message mein hai. Shukriya R S lalkitab , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee> wrote: > Respected Bhatia ji > Thanks for your kind reply.I was waiting for it.Yes you are > rihgt.I may be wrong.But bacause astrology is a researchable work > more & more so i discuss like this matters of decoding redbook's > words(right or wrong) because i know after discussion we will get a > result.And due to this discussion a new thing has appeared that-unke > mutabiq sirf 4, 9, 14 kee tithiyaan ko nayaa kaam shuru karnay kee > salaah naheen dee gayee.Now I can say that before performing remedies > be aware about these rules:- > 1.Any remedy should be done in the day only(except specially coded > remedies) > 2.only one remedy should be done in a day. > 3.Next remedy should be done after with a gap of two to three days. > 4.Consult before one month from ur each birthday. > 5.Because our group is growing now so all of members of this group > should note that who consults after his birthday & he had done > remedies in last varshfal according lalkitab, he must provide the > details of that remedies which were done during last varshfal. > 6.Remedies can be done by concerned person or after the touch of > concerned person remedy can be peformed by bloodrelated any other > person. > Respected Bhatia ji & other learned members if any other rule > concerned with remedies is still remains please add after these rules > but give No. -7 for that rule. I think by our grouped efforts some > querries will solve at a single place.In future we can refer to that > letter no. at once to any new comer of the group. > Mr. Bhatia ji I observed that countings of varshfal are counted > wrong in many published books.I have that mini book of varshfal which > was provided by Pt. Roopchand Ji himself.So i want to introduce that > book in group. But how? after scanning i donot know next steps.So I > Request to our computer-specialist members to guide me about this > matter. > And i will introduce this book with a desire that any of > software engineers.of group will create a software for varshfal and > will provide free of cost for all group astrologers and for whom who > wants to be indulged in this lalkitab system.I think any of us will > take responsbility of this & never will be any chargings for this > software.I have some other plans also but i will discuss time to time. > Another point of discussion should be open about the MAKAAN > KUNDLI & DIMAGI KHANE of lalkitab.I think our learned members will go > there also step by step. > With regards > Lalkitabee > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > Pandit Jee (Lalkitabee jee), > > aap ke tark se to yah nishkarsh nikaalaa jaa saktaa hai ki jis > sthaan par adhik varshaa hotee hai, wahaan ke nivaasiyon kay " Rahu > shareef " aur " shanee dev " hameshaa badmaashee par utaray rahengay. > phir to saaray uttaree bhaarat ke aagaamee kuchh saptaah Rahu + Shani > kee sharaartoN se bhare huwe hongay (varshaa ritu jo aanay walee > hai.) upaay suchaaroo roop se kaam naheen karenge. jis praant mein > mera niwaas hai wahaan bhee saptaah mein do-teen baar to varshaa ho > hee jaatee hai. ab agar koyee 43 din kaa upaay kar rahaa hai to > uskaa koyee kaam naheen sanwregaa yaa der se sanwaregaa, yeh matalab > niklaa. > > > > Aap meree baat ka buraa naa maaniyegaa - aap to hammaaray poojya > hain; kintu meraa zaatee khayaal hai ki is argument ne ek bahut > baDaa waham khaDaa kar diyaa hai. " barsati day main body-charge badh > jataa hai " - iskaa kyaa abhipraay hai? Scientific fact is absolutely > opposite of this. Static electricity tends to lessen in intensity > when it is moist and humid. mere kayee mitra Seattle, Portland > vagairah mein rahatay hain jahaan ke lagbhag har roz baarish hoti > hai. unko main kayee varshon se upaaya bataa rahaa hoon jo taqreeban > theek asar de rahe hain. mayray experience mein aisee koyee baat > naheen aayee jo aap ne observe kee hai. > > > > yah bhee zarooree naheen ke agar Rahu aur Shani balwaan ho jaatey > hain (jab Soorya saamne naa ho to ) to insaan ko dukhee hee karengay. > doosra pahloo bhee to dekhiye. Agar kisee kaa Soorya pahle hee mandee > haalat mein hai to usay door honay deejiye. Agar Shanee aur Rahu > pahlay se hee (ya bordeline case hain to) honay deejiye, unhay > balwaan (Soorya kee gairhaaziree mein.) Aaj ke yug mein to mein > samajhataa hoon ke Rahu kaa balee honaa yaa Ketu ya shanee ka balwaan > honaa zyaadaa zarooree hai. > > > > yehee (baarish/cloudy day walee) baat hamaaray ek aur mitra ne > kahee thee (jinhey aap bhee jaantay hain) isee vajah se maine yeh > baat kucch saal pahalay Pt Som Dutt Jee se check kee thee to wo hans > diye aur bolay ke barsaatee/cloudy dinon mein upaya naa karne kee > bilkul koi manaahee naheen hai warnaa unhey bhee pataa hotaa. wo > bataa rahey the ki unke pitajee barsaaton mein khud upaay karte thay > kyoonkee unheen dinon nahar mein paanee hotaa thaa. hamaaray Ambala > mein bhee to Taangree mein paanee tabhee aataa hai warnaa saal bhar > sookhee rahatee hai. yeh aalam to hamaaray saaray praant kaa hai. > unke mutabiq sirf 4, 9, 14 kee tithiyaan ko nayaa kaam shuru karnay > kee salaah naheen dee gayee. baqee sabhee din ek samaan hain except > kuchh upaya jo clearly bataa diye gaye hain ki kis din karney hain. > is tarah to logoN mein binaa vajah vaham badH jaayegaa. > > > > aap kafee mehnat kar rahey hain; bahut khushee kee baat hai. > prabhoo aap ko safalataa pradaan kareyn. > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote: > > Respected Bhatia ji > > Rahu ka upay karte hue maine akser anubhav kiya hai ki jab > surya aakash main chhupa ho to rahu ka upay kargaer nahi hota. Iska > karan shayad ho sakta hai ki us samay shani rahu bali ho jate ho aur > surya nirbal ho jata ho........ > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Pandit Lalkitabee Jee, I did not mean to imply that new ways of thinking about LalKitab are wrong, But let us not create situations such that people become overly superstitious. This warning has been given in LalKitab also. Thanks for compiling the list of Do's and Dont's of upayas. God bless you. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote: Respected Bhatia ji Thanks for your kind reply.I was waiting for it.Yes you are rihgt.I may be wrong.But bacause astrology is a researchable work more & more so i discuss like this matters of decoding ... Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Respected RS Ji Namaskar, First of all i want to say that never go for predections of computerised kundlies because computer can give us accurate calculations but not predections.A man who is perfect astrologer cannot be a perfect software expert & a perfect software develpor cannot become a perfect astrologer.At other hand astrology has a big & deep realms as u said.So manual work is nesesscery there.This was the reason that this knowledge was mooved to VANSHPARAMPRA because there was a thinking that " my son will take forward this knowledge. " But as result this knowledge stagnated in future.There was another reason that this knowledge was only for kings because our all VEDAS GRANTHS critic that no portion may be loose of king (According to MANUSMRITI ,CHANAKYA NITI Vaidic Samhitas etc.) In our India all munis and rishis motivated for MOKSHA only and all parts of knowledge (VIDYA) have first line " Anubandh Chatushtay " (Group of four for life and after life).It has four contents 1.Dharm 2. Arth 3.Kaam 4.Moksh (DHARM ka paalan karte hue ARTH ka sangrah karte hue tathaa DHARM KE ANUKOOL ARJIT ARTH (money) ke dwara KAAM ki poorti karte hue MOKSHA ko prapt karnaa hi maanav ka lakshya hai.). In this chapter Astrology has said the eyes of VED. It is the introduction of astrology according to HINDU MITHAK.Now what is NATAL CHART ? Ans. You meet many people everyday and there You feel a lot of attraction to any person. You like him. You want to stay for a while with him even he is a bad person. Why? At other side you dislike a person and want to avoid him even he is a good man. Why? NOTE:- {This condition apply at that time only when you like or dislike without any conversation to an unknown person.Because after that you know the qualities and disqualities of that person by his behaviour and conversation.) It mean that something is there, which is pulling or pushing you. That is a magnatic field of human body.Which is called by the name " Aura " Aabhamandal or " Jyoti " in Hindi.Knowledge of this " Jyoti " has called Jyotish or Astrology. This aura is the creation of nine major planets with the five contents - Aakash, Prithvi,Jal (water),Tej (Fire) and Vayu (Air).Human lies for nine months in his mother's uterus majorly under the governance of nine planets for nine months before his birth.Where above said five contents take their places.Prithvi is flesh & bones, water lives in blood, Fire is the temperature of body and master of digestion,Aakash (sky) is the empty area of body where air lives and you know very well that air is necesserry to live in the world.After nine months when human breaths first time in the world the light of major nine planets covers him according to the place of birth and time of birth.So in indian astrology we demand the date of birth, Place of birth and time of birth.Astrolger measures the power of the aura and defects of aura.(At a same place , & at same time & at same date borned children have same natal chart but there is more difference between both of them.It will discuss at any other day) Astrologer tries to take away that defects.By which human feels healthy and wealthy.It is the summery of Jyotish and all technics of astrology follow this simple science.I know that after reading this, some querries also arise in your mind but i will try to solve all that time to time.It is the summery of my astrological study.Now i think you can understand " What is astrology and why we follow this. " It is not a superstition ,it is a science and we can feel it very well. Jyotish has two categeries 1GANIT 2. FALIT Now as u said (what would budding astrologers like me do without them and the likes of them, may god bless their souls) . U can deside what to do.Abc of GANIT U can learn in parashar paddhati And what u want to do, there is a way of parashar jyotish & another way is Lalkitab.For FALIT JYOTISH pararashari has more and more paths. Famous books are JATAK PARIJAAT, MAANSAGRI, TAJIC NEELKANTHI etc. but knowledge of some sanskrit also nesesscery for that. At other side our LALKITAB has the portion of FALIT with remedies but it cannot be included in parashar paddhati. It has its own system.(There is similarity & differences like the similarity of differences of Windows98 & Linux) So ---- 1.To know the system of lalkitab you must read the grammer portion of lalkitab. 2.To understand lalkitab you must read again & again lalkitab as novel after this you will know. Yeh to goonge ka gud hai (Goonga gud ka taste khane se hi jaan sakta hai bataane se nahi) 3.Upayas should be perform accordingly both Natal Chart & Varshfal. 4.But Varsh fal of lalkitab is defferent from that which u see in computerised kundli.(Lal kitab main Varsh kundli ek alag tarike se banai jati hai jise varshfal kahaa jataa hai). 5As u said - Everyone here is asking a handful of people for help. Why dont we try to help ourselves? .A docter can not do surgery of himself .In the same way we can not observe tevaa of ourself perfectly.So consultation with other is compulsry.This is said in lalkitab in very begining.It is like that- aap ko aur mujhe aamne saamne baitha diya jaye aur hamaari bhujaon (arms) main seedhi fattiyan bandh di jayen tatha hamare saamne swadisht pakvano ka thaal sajaa ker bhojan karne ke liye kahaa jaye to batayen ki kya karenge. Answer is simple that u will feed me and i will feed you. Same system is in red book & astrology. 6.Before applying remedy you must read and define the expects of good & bad planets.Because according to lalkitab each planet can be good or bad. I think I have done more work for new comers in this letter after this they will learn by readbook according their practice. Mr. Sehgal I cannot analyze ur tevaa because i have some other tevaas also to work and it may be possible that no more spare time may be .These were holidays so i was easy to pay more time for group.But i have a satisfaction that ur letter has motivated me to do some more. I will surf in group time to time. If any content is untouched or doubtful I am sorry for that.All learned members may amend that please. Thanks With Regards Lalkitabee lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > Pandit Ji Sat sri akal, > > Maine aapko apne mesage mein ek darkhwast ki hai, ke jo maine pehli > martabaa koshish ki hai us pe apni rai dene ki zehmat karein. > > Kyaa varshaphal nikaalne ke baad sirf jo yahaa pe kitaab hai, uske > hisaab se jo ilaaj/upay hai woh karne hai? Is sawaal ke jawaab ke > saath saath jab aap ko fursat/mauka mile to mere tewe ko dekhne ki > meherbaani bhi kariye. Tewe kaa byaaura mere message mein hai. > > Shukriya > > > R S > > lalkitab , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee> wrote: > > Respected Bhatia ji > > Thanks for your kind reply.I was waiting for it.Yes you are > > rihgt.I may be wrong.But bacause astrology is a researchable work > > more & more so i discuss like this matters of decoding redbook's > > words(right or wrong) because i know after discussion we will get a > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Pandit ji Sat Sri Akal, Many thanks for a well intentioned and a most comprehensive and detailed response. It was most educative and I am grateful to you for your effort. My question simply was - the kundli comes via a computer. At this group I found a tool to look at it from a LK perspective i.e. the LK excel workbooks. Now having gone through the exercise of generating the basic data(the house details), and running the basic data through the LK workbook, do I simply look at the e-book and perform the upayas wherever warranted? From the gist of your communication I will take that as an affirmative. Incidentally given my professional background, I always go for back-testing and validation of any analytic technique I come across, before I try to experiment with it in real time. I generated my varshaphal for 2000 and checked the e-book and it clearly predicted an event which had in actual fact taken place. To me this lends credence to the quality of the analysis that is conducted through the excel workbook. I am holding my horses for the moment, hoping other luminaries of the group will also pitch in and add their comments on whether or not I (or for that matter any starter) should think in terms of proceeding with the remedial aspects( as per the relvant books ofcourse) once they have an idea of malefic/benefic planets from a LK perspective by using the workbook being distributed by the group. As to your comment about self help, I for one am a firm believer in " Aap naa mariye swarg naa jaaiye " . The consultations with others and validation of my analysis I will do, but I also need to be able to know for myself where I stand. If for instance surgery is warranted on me, I will make sure I have done enough reading to corroborate what my doctor tells me. Hence this effort to study the subject and in which direction your note today has been most helpful. Astrologically R S lalkitab , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee> wrote: > Respected RS Ji > Namaskar, First of all i want to say that never go for predections > of computerised kundlies because computer can give us accurate > calculations but not predections.A man who is perfect astrologer > cannot be a perfect software expert & a perfect software develpor > cannot become a perfect astrologer.At other hand astrology has a big > & deep realms as u said.So manual work is nesesscery there.This was > the reason that this knowledge was mooved to VANSHPARAMPRA because > there was a thinking that " my son will take forward this knowledge. " > But as result this knowledge stagnated in future.There was another > reason that this knowledge was only for kings because our all VEDAS > GRANTHS critic that no portion may be loose of king (According to > MANUSMRITI ,CHANAKYA NITI Vaidic Samhitas etc.) > In our India all munis and rishis motivated for MOKSHA only and all > parts of knowledge (VIDYA) have first line " Anubandh > Chatushtay " (Group of four for life and after life).It has four > contents 1.Dharm 2. Arth 3.Kaam 4.Moksh (DHARM ka paalan karte hue > ARTH ka sangrah karte hue tathaa DHARM KE ANUKOOL ARJIT ARTH (money) > ke dwara KAAM ki poorti karte hue MOKSHA ko prapt karnaa hi maanav > ka lakshya hai.). > In this chapter Astrology has said the eyes of VED. It is the > introduction of astrology according to HINDU MITHAK.Now what is NATAL > CHART ? > Ans. You meet many people everyday and there You feel a lot of > attraction to any person. You like him. You want to stay for a while > with him even he is a bad person. Why? At other side you dislike a > person and want to avoid him even he is a good man. Why? > NOTE:- {This condition apply at that time only when you like or > dislike without any conversation to an unknown person.Because after > that you know the qualities and disqualities of that person by his > behaviour and conversation.) > It mean that something is there, which is pulling or pushing you. > That is a magnatic field of human body.Which is called by the > name " Aura " Aabhamandal or " Jyoti " in Hindi.Knowledge of > this " Jyoti " has called Jyotish or Astrology. This aura is the > creation of nine major planets with the five contents - Aakash, > Prithvi,Jal (water),Tej (Fire) and Vayu (Air).Human lies for nine > months in his mother's uterus majorly under the governance of nine > planets for nine months before his birth.Where above said five > contents take their places.Prithvi is flesh & bones, water lives in > blood, Fire is the temperature of body and master of digestion,Aakash > (sky) is the empty area of body where air lives and you know very > well that air is necesserry to live in the world.After nine months > when human breaths first time in the world the light of major nine > planets covers him according to the place of birth and time of > birth.So in indian astrology we demand the date of birth, Place of > birth and time of birth.Astrolger measures the power of the aura and > defects of aura.(At a same place , & at same time & at same date > borned children have same natal chart but there is more difference > between both of them.It will discuss at any other day) Astrologer > tries to take away that defects.By which human feels healthy and > wealthy.It is the summery of Jyotish and all technics of astrology > follow this simple science.I know that after reading this, some > querries also arise in your mind but i will try to solve all that > time to time.It is the summery of my astrological study.Now i think > you can understand " What is astrology and why we follow this. " It is > not a superstition ,it is a science and we can feel it very well. > Jyotish has two categeries 1GANIT 2. FALIT > Now as u said (what would budding astrologers like me do > without them and the likes of them, may god bless their souls) . > U can deside what to do.Abc of GANIT U can learn in parashar paddhati > And what u want to do, there is a way of parashar jyotish & another > way is Lalkitab.For FALIT JYOTISH pararashari has more and more > paths. Famous books are JATAK PARIJAAT, MAANSAGRI, TAJIC NEELKANTHI > etc. but knowledge of some sanskrit also nesesscery for that. At > other side our LALKITAB has the portion of FALIT with remedies but it > cannot be included in parashar paddhati. It has its own system.(There > is similarity & differences like the similarity of differences of > Windows98 & Linux) So ---- > 1.To know the system of lalkitab you must read the grammer portion of > lalkitab. > 2.To understand lalkitab you must read again & again lalkitab as > novel after this you will know. > Yeh to goonge ka gud hai (Goonga gud ka taste khane se hi jaan > sakta hai bataane se nahi) > 3.Upayas should be perform accordingly both Natal Chart & Varshfal. > 4.But Varsh fal of lalkitab is defferent from that which u see in > computerised kundli.(Lal kitab main Varsh kundli ek alag tarike se > banai jati hai jise varshfal kahaa jataa hai). > 5As u said - Everyone here is asking a handful of people for help. > Why dont we > try to help ourselves? .A docter can not do surgery of himself .In > the same way we can not observe tevaa of ourself perfectly.So > consultation with other is compulsry.This is said in lalkitab in very > begining.It is like that- aap ko aur mujhe aamne saamne baitha diya > jaye aur hamaari bhujaon (arms) main seedhi fattiyan bandh di jayen > tatha hamare saamne swadisht pakvano ka thaal sajaa ker bhojan karne > ke liye kahaa jaye to batayen ki kya karenge. > Answer is simple that u will feed me and i will feed you. > Same system is in red book & astrology. > 6.Before applying remedy you must read and define the expects of good > & bad planets.Because according to lalkitab each planet can be good > or bad. > I think I have done more work for new comers in this letter after > this they will learn by readbook according their practice. > > Mr. Sehgal I cannot analyze ur tevaa because i have some other tevaas > also to work and it may be possible that no more spare time may > be .These were holidays so i was easy to pay more time for group.But > i have a satisfaction that ur letter has motivated me to do some > more. I will surf in group time to time. > If any content is untouched or doubtful I am sorry for that.All > learned members may amend that please. > Thanks > With Regards > Lalkitabee > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > Pandit Ji Sat sri akal, > > > > Maine aapko apne mesage mein ek darkhwast ki hai, ke jo maine pehli > > martabaa koshish ki hai us pe apni rai dene ki zehmat karein. > > > > Kyaa varshaphal nikaalne ke baad sirf jo yahaa pe kitaab hai, uske > > hisaab se jo ilaaj/upay hai woh karne hai? Is sawaal ke jawaab ke > > saath saath jab aap ko fursat/mauka mile to mere tewe ko dekhne ki > > meherbaani bhi kariye. Tewe kaa byaaura mere message mein hai. > > > > Shukriya > > > > > > R S > > > > lalkitab , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee> > wrote: > > > Respected Bhatia ji > > > Thanks for your kind reply.I was waiting for it.Yes you are > > > rihgt.I may be wrong.But bacause astrology is a researchable work > > > more & more so i discuss like this matters of decoding redbook's > > > words(right or wrong) because i know after discussion we will get > a > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Dear members, I think this is perfectly true. There were some discussions on this before and with the kind of art / science Lalkitab (or as a mater of fact any form of astrology) is, it would be difficult for any software to encompass the whole knowledge. However as the basic foundation a Natal chart and Varshphal were the minimum that is required. Hence with inputs from all members we created an excel spreadsheet that has been put in the file section of lalkitab group. Could some members like Rajinder Bhariajee, Lalkitabeeji, Upadhyayji check and cross check the data and revert back in case there need to be some changes. Also if it is correct, please do let the forum no so that it would be helpful for all to base their calculations on the same. It could also be used for all people who ask a query on the forum that they fill up the excel spreadsheet and post the same with their query so that all the information is available. Regards, Pankaj Agarwal - lalkitabee lalkitab Saturday, June 12, 2004 6:59 AM [lalkitab] Re: HELP NEEDED(Bhatia ji) Respected RS JiNamaskar, First of all i want to say that never go for predections of computerised kundlies because computer can give us accurate calculations but not predections.A man who is perfect astrologer cannot be a perfect software expert & a perfect software develpor cannot become a perfect astrologer.At other hand astrology has a big & deep realms as u said.So manual work is nesesscery there.This was the reason that this knowledge was mooved to VANSHPARAMPRA because there was a thinking that " my son will take forward this knowledge." But as result this knowledge stagnated in future.There was another reason that this knowledge was only for kings because our all VEDAS GRANTHS critic that no portion may be loose of king (According to MANUSMRITI ,CHANAKYA NITI Vaidic Samhitas etc.) In our India all munis and rishis motivated for MOKSHA only and all parts of knowledge (VIDYA) have first line "Anubandh Chatushtay"(Group of four for life and after life).It has four contents 1.Dharm 2. Arth 3.Kaam 4.Moksh (DHARM ka paalan karte hue ARTH ka sangrah karte hue tathaa DHARM KE ANUKOOL ARJIT ARTH (money) ke dwara KAAM ki poorti karte hue MOKSHA ko prapt karnaa hi maanav ka lakshya hai.). In this chapter Astrology has said the eyes of VED. It is the introduction of astrology according to HINDU MITHAK.Now what is NATAL CHART ?Ans. You meet many people everyday and there You feel a lot of attraction to any person. You like him. You want to stay for a while with him even he is a bad person. Why? At other side you dislike a person and want to avoid him even he is a good man. Why?NOTE:- {This condition apply at that time only when you like or dislike without any conversation to an unknown person.Because after that you know the qualities and disqualities of that person by his behaviour and conversation.)It mean that something is there, which is pulling or pushing you. That is a magnatic field of human body.Which is called by the name "Aura" Aabhamandal or "Jyoti" in Hindi.Knowledge of this "Jyoti" has called Jyotish or Astrology. This aura is the creation of nine major planets with the five contents - Aakash, Prithvi,Jal (water),Tej (Fire) and Vayu (Air).Human lies for nine months in his mother's uterus majorly under the governance of nine planets for nine months before his birth.Where above said five contents take their places.Prithvi is flesh & bones, water lives in blood, Fire is the temperature of body and master of digestion,Aakash(sky) is the empty area of body where air lives and you know very well that air is necesserry to live in the world.After nine months when human breaths first time in the world the light of major nine planets covers him according to the place of birth and time of birth.So in indian astrology we demand the date of birth, Place of birth and time of birth.Astrolger measures the power of the aura and defects of aura.(At a same place , & at same time & at same date borned children have same natal chart but there is more difference between both of them.It will discuss at any other day) Astrologer tries to take away that defects.By which human feels healthy and wealthy.It is the summery of Jyotish and all technics of astrology follow this simple science.I know that after reading this, some querries also arise in your mind but i will try to solve all that time to time.It is the summery of my astrological study.Now i think you can understand"What is astrology and why we follow this."It is not a superstition ,it is a science and we can feel it very well.Jyotish has two categeries 1GANIT 2. FALITNow as u said (what would budding astrologers like me dowithout them and the likes of them, may god bless their souls) .U can deside what to do.Abc of GANIT U can learn in parashar paddhati And what u want to do, there is a way of parashar jyotish & another way is Lalkitab.For FALIT JYOTISH pararashari has more and more paths. Famous books are JATAK PARIJAAT, MAANSAGRI, TAJIC NEELKANTHI etc. but knowledge of some sanskrit also nesesscery for that. At other side our LALKITAB has the portion of FALIT with remedies but it cannot be included in parashar paddhati. It has its own system.(There is similarity & differences like the similarity of differences of Windows98 & Linux) So ----1.To know the system of lalkitab you must read the grammer portion of lalkitab.2.To understand lalkitab you must read again & again lalkitab as novel after this you will know. Yeh to goonge ka gud hai (Goonga gud ka taste khane se hi jaan sakta hai bataane se nahi)3.Upayas should be perform accordingly both Natal Chart & Varshfal.4.But Varsh fal of lalkitab is defferent from that which u see in computerised kundli.(Lal kitab main Varsh kundli ek alag tarike se banai jati hai jise varshfal kahaa jataa hai).5As u said - Everyone here is asking a handful of people for help. Why dont wetry to help ourselves? .A docter can not do surgery of himself .In the same way we can not observe tevaa of ourself perfectly.So consultation with other is compulsry.This is said in lalkitab in very begining.It is like that- aap ko aur mujhe aamne saamne baitha diya jaye aur hamaari bhujaon (arms) main seedhi fattiyan bandh di jayen tatha hamare saamne swadisht pakvano ka thaal sajaa ker bhojan karne ke liye kahaa jaye to batayen ki kya karenge. Answer is simple that u will feed me and i will feed you.Same system is in red book & astrology.6.Before applying remedy you must read and define the expects of good & bad planets.Because according to lalkitab each planet can be good or bad. I think I have done more work for new comers in this letter after this they will learn by readbook according their practice.Mr. Sehgal I cannot analyze ur tevaa because i have some other tevaas also to work and it may be possible that no more spare time may be .These were holidays so i was easy to pay more time for group.But i have a satisfaction that ur letter has motivated me to do some more. I will surf in group time to time.If any content is untouched or doubtful I am sorry for that.All learned members may amend that please.ThanksWith RegardsLalkitabee lalkitab , "rakeshsahgal" <rakeshsahgal> wrote:> Pandit Ji Sat sri akal,> > Maine aapko apne mesage mein ek darkhwast ki hai, ke jo maine pehli> martabaa koshish ki hai us pe apni rai dene ki zehmat karein. > > Kyaa varshaphal nikaalne ke baad sirf jo yahaa pe kitaab hai, uske> hisaab se jo ilaaj/upay hai woh karne hai? Is sawaal ke jawaab ke> saath saath jab aap ko fursat/mauka mile to mere tewe ko dekhne ki> meherbaani bhi kariye. Tewe kaa byaaura mere message mein hai.> > Shukriya> > > R S> > lalkitab , "lalkitabee" <lalkitabee> wrote:> > Respected Bhatia ji > > Thanks for your kind reply.I was waiting for it.Yes you are > > rihgt.I may be wrong.But bacause astrology is a researchable work > > more & more so i discuss like this matters of decoding redbook's > > words(right or wrong) because i know after discussion we will get a > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Dear Lalkitabee, I am not sure which email client (software) you are using to post messages to the forum, but whatever you use there will be a way to "Attach" files to your email. Eg 1. If you use hotmail on webbrowser, compose your mail and there is a button called "attach" Click on that and you can attach files. 2. If you use Outlook express then when you "Create a mail" on the top you will see a button with a Pin Icon and "Attach written. Click that and attach the file The steps that would be involved are. 1. Scan the document. 2. Save the file on your hard disk. 3. Open your email software 4. start a new mail 5. Click on "attach" as discussed above. 6. a new box opens where you will have to select the file from the hard disk that you need to attach. Select it and click OK 7. Check if the file shows in the email. This could be as a Pin icon and name of the file. 8. Click SEND. PLEASE NOTE. As quite a few of us have a limitation of 2MB quota for inboxes as well as send messasges, please send only one attachment per e-mail. Eg. If you have 4 scanned pages then send each page as a sepearate mail and you may create a subject as "Scanned copy of countings of varshfal File 1 of 4". The 2nd mail could be "Scanned copy of countings of varshfal File 2 of 4". and the 3rd "Scanned copy of countings of varshfal File 3 of 4". This will help us track if all the files have been received or not. As per my bit, I will incorporate the changes in the excel spreadsheet and repost the same on to the forum. The reason I use excel is that it is a pretty strong software and more importantly very simple to use by any non technical person and NO INSTALLATIONS required. Regards, Pankaj Agarwal - lalkitabee lalkitab Saturday, June 12, 2004 3:15 AM [lalkitab] Re: HELP NEEDED(Bhatia ji) Respected Bhatia ji Thanks for your kind reply.I was waiting for it.Yes you are rihgt.I may be wrong.But bacause astrology is a researchable work more & more so i discuss like this matters of decoding redbook's words(right or wrong) because i know after discussion we will get a result.And due to this discussion a new thing has appeared that-unke mutabiq sirf 4, 9, 14 kee tithiyaan ko nayaa kaam shuru karnay kee salaah naheen dee gayee.Now I can say that before performing remedies be aware about these rules:-1.Any remedy should be done in the day only(except specially coded remedies)2.only one remedy should be done in a day.3.Next remedy should be done after with a gap of two to three days.4.Consult before one month from ur each birthday.5.Because our group is growing now so all of members of this group should note that who consults after his birthday & he had done remedies in last varshfal according lalkitab, he must provide the details of that remedies which were done during last varshfal.6.Remedies can be done by concerned person or after the touch of concerned person remedy can be peformed by bloodrelated any other person. Respected Bhatia ji & other learned members if any other rule concerned with remedies is still remains please add after these rules but give No. -7 for that rule. I think by our grouped efforts some querries will solve at a single place.In future we can refer to that letter no. at once to any new comer of the group. Mr. Bhatia ji I observed that countings of varshfal are counted wrong in many published books.I have that mini book of varshfal which was provided by Pt. Roopchand Ji himself.So i want to introduce that book in group. But how? after scanning i donot know next steps.So I Request to our computer-specialist members to guide me about this matter. And i will introduce this book with a desire that any of software engineers.of group will create a software for varshfal and will provide free of cost for all group astrologers and for whom who wants to be indulged in this lalkitab system.I think any of us will take responsbility of this & never will be any chargings for this software.I have some other plans also but i will discuss time to time. Another point of discussion should be open about the MAKAAN KUNDLI & DIMAGI KHANE of lalkitab.I think our learned members will go there also step by step.With regardsLalkitabee lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> Pandit Jee (Lalkitabee jee),> aap ke tark se to yah nishkarsh nikaalaa jaa saktaa hai ki jis sthaan par adhik varshaa hotee hai, wahaan ke nivaasiyon kay "Rahu shareef" aur "shanee dev" hameshaa badmaashee par utaray rahengay. phir to saaray uttaree bhaarat ke aagaamee kuchh saptaah Rahu + Shani kee sharaartoN se bhare huwe hongay (varshaa ritu jo aanay walee hai.) upaay suchaaroo roop se kaam naheen karenge. jis praant mein mera niwaas hai wahaan bhee saptaah mein do-teen baar to varshaa ho hee jaatee hai. ab agar koyee 43 din kaa upaay kar rahaa hai to uskaa koyee kaam naheen sanwregaa yaa der se sanwaregaa, yeh matalab niklaa.> > Aap meree baat ka buraa naa maaniyegaa - aap to hammaaray poojya hain; kintu meraa zaatee khayaal hai ki is argument ne ek bahut baDaa waham khaDaa kar diyaa hai. "barsati day main body-charge badh jataa hai" - iskaa kyaa abhipraay hai? Scientific fact is absolutely opposite of this. Static electricity tends to lessen in intensity when it is moist and humid. mere kayee mitra Seattle, Portland vagairah mein rahatay hain jahaan ke lagbhag har roz baarish hoti hai. unko main kayee varshon se upaaya bataa rahaa hoon jo taqreeban theek asar de rahe hain. mayray experience mein aisee koyee baat naheen aayee jo aap ne observe kee hai. > > yah bhee zarooree naheen ke agar Rahu aur Shani balwaan ho jaatey hain (jab Soorya saamne naa ho to ) to insaan ko dukhee hee karengay. doosra pahloo bhee to dekhiye. Agar kisee kaa Soorya pahle hee mandee haalat mein hai to usay door honay deejiye. Agar Shanee aur Rahu pahlay se hee (ya bordeline case hain to) honay deejiye, unhay balwaan (Soorya kee gairhaaziree mein.) Aaj ke yug mein to mein samajhataa hoon ke Rahu kaa balee honaa yaa Ketu ya shanee ka balwaan honaa zyaadaa zarooree hai. > > yehee (baarish/cloudy day walee) baat hamaaray ek aur mitra ne kahee thee (jinhey aap bhee jaantay hain) isee vajah se maine yeh baat kucch saal pahalay Pt Som Dutt Jee se check kee thee to wo hans diye aur bolay ke barsaatee/cloudy dinon mein upaya naa karne kee bilkul koi manaahee naheen hai warnaa unhey bhee pataa hotaa. wo bataa rahey the ki unke pitajee barsaaton mein khud upaay karte thay kyoonkee unheen dinon nahar mein paanee hotaa thaa. hamaaray Ambala mein bhee to Taangree mein paanee tabhee aataa hai warnaa saal bhar sookhee rahatee hai. yeh aalam to hamaaray saaray praant kaa hai. unke mutabiq sirf 4, 9, 14 kee tithiyaan ko nayaa kaam shuru karnay kee salaah naheen dee gayee. baqee sabhee din ek samaan hain except kuchh upaya jo clearly bataa diye gaye hain ki kis din karney hain. is tarah to logoN mein binaa vajah vaham badH jaayegaa. > > aap kafee mehnat kar rahey hain; bahut khushee kee baat hai. prabhoo aap ko safalataa pradaan kareyn. > Respectfully,> Rajinder Bhatia> > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote:> Respected Bhatia ji> Rahu ka upay karte hue maine akser anubhav kiya hai ki jab surya aakash main chhupa ho to rahu ka upay kargaer nahi hota. 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Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Pankaj, You hit the nail on the head. My submission is: If any of us seek help, we should provide the experts with the inputs ina format acceptable to them for doing their analysis. This way their time is utilised effectively. All the gentlemen helping others over here, do it " gratis " as a labor of love and can only do so much and no more given their commitments to their professions, families etc etc. So if we want to avail of their knowledge lets provide them with inputs which just leaves them with the task of analysing and suggesting cures/remedies. This will also enable wannabes like me to follow their work and see if we have it in us to really learn the subject. If we do then this is as good an emulation of learning by case study method as is possible. Now I leave it to the gurus to decide. R S lalkitab , " Pankaj Agarwal " <apankaj68@h...> wrote: > Dear members, > > I think this is perfectly true. > > There were some discussions on this before and with the kind of art / science Lalkitab (or as a mater of fact any form of astrology) is, it would be difficult for any software to encompass the whole knowledge. > > However as the basic foundation a Natal chart and Varshphal were the minimum that is required. Hence with inputs from all members we created an excel spreadsheet that has been put in the file section of lalkitab group. > > Could some members like Rajinder Bhariajee, Lalkitabeeji, Upadhyayji check and cross check the data and revert back in case there need to be some changes. Also if it is correct, please do let the forum no so that it would be helpful for all to base their calculations on the same. > > It could also be used for all people who ask a query on the forum that they fill up the excel spreadsheet and post the same with their query so that all the information is available. > > Regards, > Pankaj Agarwal > > > > - > lalkitabee > lalkitab > Saturday, June 12, 2004 6:59 AM > [lalkitab] Re: HELP NEEDED(Bhatia ji) > > > Respected RS Ji > Namaskar, First of all i want to say that never go for predections > of computerised kundlies because computer can give us accurate > calculations but not predections.A man who is perfect astrologer > cannot be a perfect software expert & a perfect software develpor > cannot become a perfect astrologer.At other hand astrology has a big > & deep realms as u said.So manual work is nesesscery there.This was > the reason that this knowledge was mooved to VANSHPARAMPRA because > there was a thinking that " my son will take forward this knowledge. " > But as result this knowledge stagnated in future.There was another > reason that this knowledge was only for kings because our all VEDAS > GRANTHS critic that no portion may be loose of king (According to > MANUSMRITI ,CHANAKYA NITI Vaidic Samhitas etc.) > In our India all munis and rishis motivated for MOKSHA only and all > parts of knowledge (VIDYA) have first line " Anubandh > Chatushtay " (Group of four for life and after life).It has four > contents 1.Dharm 2. Arth 3.Kaam 4.Moksh (DHARM ka paalan karte hue > ARTH ka sangrah karte hue tathaa DHARM KE ANUKOOL ARJIT ARTH (money) > ke dwara KAAM ki poorti karte hue MOKSHA ko prapt karnaa hi maanav > ka lakshya hai.). > In this chapter Astrology has said the eyes of VED. It is the > introduction of astrology according to HINDU MITHAK.Now what is NATAL > CHART ? > Ans. You meet many people everyday and there You feel a lot of > attraction to any person. You like him. You want to stay for a while > with him even he is a bad person. Why? At other side you dislike a > person and want to avoid him even he is a good man. Why? > NOTE:- {This condition apply at that time only when you like or > dislike without any conversation to an unknown person.Because after > that you know the qualities and disqualities of that person by his > behaviour and conversation.) > It mean that something is there, which is pulling or pushing you. > That is a magnatic field of human body.Which is called by the > name " Aura " Aabhamandal or " Jyoti " in Hindi.Knowledge of > this " Jyoti " has called Jyotish or Astrology. This aura is the > creation of nine major planets with the five contents - Aakash, > Prithvi,Jal (water),Tej (Fire) and Vayu (Air).Human lies for nine > months in his mother's uterus majorly under the governance of nine > planets for nine months before his birth.Where above said five > contents take their places.Prithvi is flesh & bones, water lives in > blood, Fire is the temperature of body and master of digestion,Aakash > (sky) is the empty area of body where air lives and you know very > well that air is necesserry to live in the world.After nine months > when human breaths first time in the world the light of major nine > planets covers him according to the place of birth and time of > birth.So in indian astrology we demand the date of birth, Place of > birth and time of birth.Astrolger measures the power of the aura and > defects of aura.(At a same place , & at same time & at same date > borned children have same natal chart but there is more difference > between both of them.It will discuss at any other day) Astrologer > tries to take away that defects.By which human feels healthy and > wealthy.It is the summery of Jyotish and all technics of astrology > follow this simple science.I know that after reading this, some > querries also arise in your mind but i will try to solve all that > time to time.It is the summery of my astrological study.Now i think > you can understand " What is astrology and why we follow this. " It is > not a superstition ,it is a science and we can feel it very well. > Jyotish has two categeries 1GANIT 2. FALIT > Now as u said (what would budding astrologers like me do > without them and the likes of them, may god bless their souls) . > U can deside what to do.Abc of GANIT U can learn in parashar paddhati > And what u want to do, there is a way of parashar jyotish & another > way is Lalkitab.For FALIT JYOTISH pararashari has more and more > paths. Famous books are JATAK PARIJAAT, MAANSAGRI, TAJIC NEELKANTHI > etc. but knowledge of some sanskrit also nesesscery for that. At > other side our LALKITAB has the portion of FALIT with remedies but it > cannot be included in parashar paddhati. It has its own system.(There > is similarity & differences like the similarity of differences of > Windows98 & Linux) So ---- > 1.To know the system of lalkitab you must read the grammer portion of > lalkitab. > 2.To understand lalkitab you must read again & again lalkitab as > novel after this you will know. > Yeh to goonge ka gud hai (Goonga gud ka taste khane se hi jaan > sakta hai bataane se nahi) > 3.Upayas should be perform accordingly both Natal Chart & Varshfal. > 4.But Varsh fal of lalkitab is defferent from that which u see in > computerised kundli.(Lal kitab main Varsh kundli ek alag tarike se > banai jati hai jise varshfal kahaa jataa hai). > 5As u said - Everyone here is asking a handful of people for help. > Why dont we > try to help ourselves? .A docter can not do surgery of himself ..In > the same way we can not observe tevaa of ourself perfectly.So > consultation with other is compulsry.This is said in lalkitab in very > begining.It is like that- aap ko aur mujhe aamne saamne baitha diya > jaye aur hamaari bhujaon (arms) main seedhi fattiyan bandh di jayen > tatha hamare saamne swadisht pakvano ka thaal sajaa ker bhojan karne > ke liye kahaa jaye to batayen ki kya karenge. > Answer is simple that u will feed me and i will feed you. > Same system is in red book & astrology. > 6.Before applying remedy you must read and define the expects of good > & bad planets.Because according to lalkitab each planet can be good > or bad. > I think I have done more work for new comers in this letter after > this they will learn by readbook according their practice. > > Mr. Sehgal I cannot analyze ur tevaa because i have some other tevaas > also to work and it may be possible that no more spare time may > be .These were holidays so i was easy to pay more time for group.But > i have a satisfaction that ur letter has motivated me to do some > more. I will surf in group time to time. > If any content is untouched or doubtful I am sorry for that.All > learned members may amend that please. > Thanks > With Regards > Lalkitabee > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > Pandit Ji Sat sri akal, > > > > Maine aapko apne mesage mein ek darkhwast ki hai, ke jo maine pehli > > martabaa koshish ki hai us pe apni rai dene ki zehmat karein. > > > > Kyaa varshaphal nikaalne ke baad sirf jo yahaa pe kitaab hai, uske > > hisaab se jo ilaaj/upay hai woh karne hai? Is sawaal ke jawaab ke > > saath saath jab aap ko fursat/mauka mile to mere tewe ko dekhne ki > > meherbaani bhi kariye. Tewe kaa byaaura mere message mein hai. > > > > Shukriya > > > > > > R S > > > > lalkitab , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee> > wrote: > > > Respected Bhatia ji > > > Thanks for your kind reply.I was waiting for it.Yes you are > > > rihgt.I may be wrong.But bacause astrology is a researchable work > > > more & more so i discuss like this matters of decoding redbook's > > > words(right or wrong) because i know after discussion we will get > a > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Dear Sri Lalkitabee you had expressed the desire to put the varshfal on the internet for the benefit of this group.I shall briefly tell the steps. 1) you can either scan the document or type out the relevant portions on any text editor (Word etc). 2) After scanning the documents all the scanned pages can be copied into one file on that text editor i.e MS Word 3)that single file can then be uploaded in the files section of this group which can then be accessed by any group member. ** However I must inform you that scanning the book in full or part requires the express permission of the author for copyright purposes. ** Arvinder ..lalkitab , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee> wrote: > Respected Bhatia ji > Thanks for your kind reply.I was waiting for it.Yes you are > rihgt.I may be wrong.But bacause astrology is a researchable work > more & more so i discuss like this matters of decoding redbook's > words(right or wrong) because i know after discussion we will get a > result.And due to this discussion a new thing has appeared that- unke > mutabiq sirf 4, 9, 14 kee tithiyaan ko nayaa kaam shuru karnay kee > salaah naheen dee gayee.Now I can say that before performing remedies > be aware about these rules:- > 1.Any remedy should be done in the day only(except specially coded > remedies) > 2.only one remedy should be done in a day. > 3.Next remedy should be done after with a gap of two to three days. > 4.Consult before one month from ur each birthday. > 5.Because our group is growing now so all of members of this group > should note that who consults after his birthday & he had done > remedies in last varshfal according lalkitab, he must provide the > details of that remedies which were done during last varshfal. > 6.Remedies can be done by concerned person or after the touch of > concerned person remedy can be peformed by bloodrelated any other > person. > Respected Bhatia ji & other learned members if any other rule > concerned with remedies is still remains please add after these rules > but give No. -7 for that rule. I think by our grouped efforts some > querries will solve at a single place.In future we can refer to that > letter no. at once to any new comer of the group. > Mr. Bhatia ji I observed that countings of varshfal are counted > wrong in many published books.I have that mini book of varshfal which > was provided by Pt. Roopchand Ji himself.So i want to introduce that > book in group. But how? after scanning i donot know next steps.So I > Request to our computer-specialist members to guide me about this > matter. > And i will introduce this book with a desire that any of > software engineers.of group will create a software for varshfal and > will provide free of cost for all group astrologers and for whom who > wants to be indulged in this lalkitab system.I think any of us will > take responsbility of this & never will be any chargings for this > software.I have some other plans also but i will discuss time to time. > Another point of discussion should be open about the MAKAAN > KUNDLI & DIMAGI KHANE of lalkitab.I think our learned members will go > there also step by step. > With regards > Lalkitabee > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > Pandit Jee (Lalkitabee jee), > > aap ke tark se to yah nishkarsh nikaalaa jaa saktaa hai ki jis > sthaan par adhik varshaa hotee hai, wahaan ke nivaasiyon kay " Rahu > shareef " aur " shanee dev " hameshaa badmaashee par utaray rahengay. > phir to saaray uttaree bhaarat ke aagaamee kuchh saptaah Rahu + Shani > kee sharaartoN se bhare huwe hongay (varshaa ritu jo aanay walee > hai.) upaay suchaaroo roop se kaam naheen karenge. jis praant mein > mera niwaas hai wahaan bhee saptaah mein do-teen baar to varshaa ho > hee jaatee hai. ab agar koyee 43 din kaa upaay kar rahaa hai to > uskaa koyee kaam naheen sanwregaa yaa der se sanwaregaa, yeh matalab > niklaa. > > > > Aap meree baat ka buraa naa maaniyegaa - aap to hammaaray poojya > hain; kintu meraa zaatee khayaal hai ki is argument ne ek bahut > baDaa waham khaDaa kar diyaa hai. " barsati day main body-charge badh > jataa hai " - iskaa kyaa abhipraay hai? Scientific fact is absolutely > opposite of this. Static electricity tends to lessen in intensity > when it is moist and humid. mere kayee mitra Seattle, Portland > vagairah mein rahatay hain jahaan ke lagbhag har roz baarish hoti > hai. unko main kayee varshon se upaaya bataa rahaa hoon jo taqreeban > theek asar de rahe hain. mayray experience mein aisee koyee baat > naheen aayee jo aap ne observe kee hai. > > > > yah bhee zarooree naheen ke agar Rahu aur Shani balwaan ho jaatey > hain (jab Soorya saamne naa ho to ) to insaan ko dukhee hee karengay. > doosra pahloo bhee to dekhiye. Agar kisee kaa Soorya pahle hee mandee > haalat mein hai to usay door honay deejiye. Agar Shanee aur Rahu > pahlay se hee (ya bordeline case hain to) honay deejiye, unhay > balwaan (Soorya kee gairhaaziree mein.) Aaj ke yug mein to mein > samajhataa hoon ke Rahu kaa balee honaa yaa Ketu ya shanee ka balwaan > honaa zyaadaa zarooree hai. > > > > yehee (baarish/cloudy day walee) baat hamaaray ek aur mitra ne > kahee thee (jinhey aap bhee jaantay hain) isee vajah se maine yeh > baat kucch saal pahalay Pt Som Dutt Jee se check kee thee to wo hans > diye aur bolay ke barsaatee/cloudy dinon mein upaya naa karne kee > bilkul koi manaahee naheen hai warnaa unhey bhee pataa hotaa. wo > bataa rahey the ki unke pitajee barsaaton mein khud upaay karte thay > kyoonkee unheen dinon nahar mein paanee hotaa thaa. hamaaray Ambala > mein bhee to Taangree mein paanee tabhee aataa hai warnaa saal bhar > sookhee rahatee hai. yeh aalam to hamaaray saaray praant kaa hai. > unke mutabiq sirf 4, 9, 14 kee tithiyaan ko nayaa kaam shuru karnay > kee salaah naheen dee gayee. baqee sabhee din ek samaan hain except > kuchh upaya jo clearly bataa diye gaye hain ki kis din karney hain. > is tarah to logoN mein binaa vajah vaham badH jaayegaa. > > > > aap kafee mehnat kar rahey hain; bahut khushee kee baat hai. > prabhoo aap ko safalataa pradaan kareyn. > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote: > > Respected Bhatia ji > > Rahu ka upay karte hue maine akser anubhav kiya hai ki jab > surya aakash main chhupa ho to rahu ka upay kargaer nahi hota. Iska > karan shayad ho sakta hai ki us samay shani rahu bali ho jate ho aur > surya nirbal ho jata ho........ > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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