Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 dear colleagues, a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by the planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart. As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case what shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what has to be done? Please throw some light on this matter.? (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in a lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can be visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what is to be done? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at a long distance from the sea shore? ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and there is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the things be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the things put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore once again) Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter. Thanking you in anticipation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it thanx rakesh sharma lalkitab , " vspfurn24 " <vspfurn24> wrote: > dear colleagues, > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by the > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then will it > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in the > natal chart. > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case what > shaould be done.? > > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what has to > be done? > > Please throw some light on this matter.? > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in a > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can be > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what > is to be done? > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at a > long distance from the sea shore? > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and there > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the things > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the things > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the > shore once again) > > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter. > > Thanking you in anticipation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 The clarifications according to my learning is as under : a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by the planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case what > > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what has to be done? IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE PLANET IS CHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL ACCORDINGLY. > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in a lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can be visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what is to be done? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at a long distance from the sea shore? I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM IS TO FEED THE FISH ELSE HOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT. > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and there is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the things be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the things put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore once again) LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN BE DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. Regards Rajeev K Khattar " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma <lalkitab > Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification > I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it > thanx > rakesh sharma > > > > lalkitab , " vspfurn24 " <vspfurn24> wrote: > > dear colleagues, > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done > for > > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by the > > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then will > it > > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in the > > natal chart. > > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it > > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case what > > shaould be done.? > > > > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the > > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what has > to > > be done? > > > > Please throw some light on this matter.? > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in > a > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can > be > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what > > is to be done? > > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at > a > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and > there > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > things > > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the > things > > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the > > shore once again) > > > > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter. > > > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Hello Rajeev ji I was reading this email and had a query regarding upaya "kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes" Instead of kneaded flour can we feed bread pieces to the fishes. I feel fishes eat bread more readily than kneaded flour. Regards Amita Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab wrote: The clarifications according to my learning is as under :a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a malefic inthe varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 days; forexample) like donating the things represented by the planet for reducingnegative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an opposite effect asthe planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As donating the thingsof a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic effects ofthat planet, then in that case what> > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way round; forexample)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, thenwhat has to be done?IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE PLANET ISCHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL ACCORDINGLY.> > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in alake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can bevisited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what is to bedone? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at along distance from the sea shore?I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM IS TO FEED THEFISHELSEHOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT.> > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and thereis no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the things bethrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the things put intoit due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore once again)LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN BEDONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS.RegardsRajeev K Khattar"rakeshrajnisharma" <rakeshrajnisharma<lalkitab >Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM[lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification> I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it> thanx> rakesh sharma>>>> lalkitab , "vspfurn24" <vspfurn24> wrote:> > dear colleagues,> >> > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a> > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done> for> > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by the> > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then will> it> > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in the> > natal chart.> > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it> > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case what> > shaould be done.?> >> > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the> > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what has> to> > be done?> >> > Please throw some light on this matter.?> >> > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in> a> > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can> be> > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what> > is to be done?> > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at> a> > long distance from the sea shore?> >> > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and> there> > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the> things> > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the> things> > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the> > shore once again)> >> > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter.> >> > Thanking you in anticipation.>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Amita Jee, I think that terminology has to be clarified. Bread is made with yeast and therefore, it assumes altogether different characteristics. Chapaati is made of wheat alright but the remedial measure to feed the fish (in context of LalKitab) is "small balls (goliyaan) made of kneeded wheat." By the way, this and any other flowing-water remedy can be performed from the Sea-shore. We need not worry about the ocean "throwing" it back. It will take it in again during the next tide. After all, the rivers are eventually supposed to end up in the ocean. Respectfully, Rajinder BhatiaAmita Shukla <shuklaamita wrote: Hello Rajeev ji I was reading this email and had a query regarding upaya "kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes" Instead of kneaded flour can we feed bread pieces to the fishes. I feel fishes eat bread more readily than kneaded flour. Regards Amita Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab wrote: The clarifications according to my learning is as under :a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a malefic inthe varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 days; forexample) like donating the things represented by the planet for reducingnegative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an opposite effect asthe planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As donating the thingsof a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic effects ofthat planet, then in that case what> > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way round; forexample)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, thenwhat has to be done?IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE PLANET ISCHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL ACCORDINGLY.> > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in alake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can bevisited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what is to bedone? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at along distance from the sea shore?I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM IS TO FEED THEFISHELSEHOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT.> > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and thereis no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the things bethrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the things put intoit due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore once again)LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN BEDONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS.RegardsRajeev K Khattar"rakeshrajnisharma" <rakeshrajnisharma<lalkitab >Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM[lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification> I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it> thanx> rakesh sharma>>>> lalkitab , "vspfurn24" <vspfurn24> wrote:> > dear colleagues,> >> > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a> > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done> for> > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by the> > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then will> it> > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in the> > natal chart.> > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it> > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case what> > shaould be done.?> >> > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the> > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what has> to> > be done?> >> > Please throw some light on this matter.?> >> > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in> a> > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can> be> > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what> > is to be done?> > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at> a> > long distance from the sea shore?> >> > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and> there> > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the> things> > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the> things> > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the> > shore once again)> >> > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter.> >> > Thanking you in anticipation.>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Hello all, Any suggestions which planets are favourable and which r malefic???? Thanks Harrit Pall Asc-Lord Sag-Jupiter Rasi-Lord Can-Moon Nak-Lord Pushya-2-Saturn Yoga Sidha Karan Gara Gan Deva Yoni Mesh Nadi Madhya Varan Vipra Vashya Jalchar Varga Mesha Yunja Madhya Hansak Jal Paya(Rasi-Nak) Iron-Silver Name-Alphabet Hay Pln R C Sign Degree House Exalted RasiL NakL SubL Pad Nav Asc Sag 27:08:43 -- -- Jup Sun Sun 1 9 Sun Vir 24:51:46 10 Neutral Mer Mar Rah 1 5 Mon Can 7:44:23 8 OwnSign Mon Sat Ket 2 6 Mar Cap 25:01:30 2 Exalted Sat Mar Rah 1 5 Mer D Vir 27:33:07 10 OwnSign Mer Mar Jup 2 6 Jup Sco 11:27:35 12 Friend Mar Sat Mon 3 7 Ven Lib 7:00:23 11 Moltrkn Ven Rah Rah 1 9 Sat R Tau 12:34:48 6 Friend Ven Mon Rah 1 1 Rah Cap 18:35:04 2 Friend Sat Mon Mer 3 3 Ket Can 18:35:04 8 Friend Mon Mer Ket 1 9 Ura C Vir 20:46:03 10 -- Mer Mon Ven 4 4 Nep Sco 7:47:16 12 -- Mar Sat Ket 2 6 Plu Vir 6:47:36 10 -- Mer Sun Mer 4 12 Vimsottari Dasa Saturn 12Y8M19D Ketu 01/07/2001 01/07/2008 Ketu 27/11/2001 Venus 28/01/2003 Sun 04/06/2003 Moon 03/01/2004 Mars 01/06/2004 Rahu 19/06/2005 Jupiter 26/05/2006 Saturn 05/07/2007 Mercury 01/07/2008 NOTE : -Waxing -Waning R-Retro S-Stationary C-Combust D-DeepCombust Lagna Chart Moon Chart Navamsa Chart Dasamsa Chart Trimsamsa Chart lalkitab/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Respected Khattar jee, You have said , LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN BE DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. With due respect , I would like to say that I have not come across any such dictum in the book where it says that an alternative of throwing a thing into running water could either be gifting it at a temple or placing it at a cross-roads { chau-rasta }. Yes , the book says that if you do not find a temple then you could place it at a cross-road , provided ' koi shaq na kare '. Both the temple and the cross-roads represent the 2nd house. Therefore only those karak objects are to be gifted at a temple , which are to be established in the 2nd house. In some cases the karak objects are gifted at a temple to appease the planet also. Throwing a karak object into running water means distancing the influence of the planet from the jatak { grah prabhav ko jatak se door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts interpret this throwing into running water as to establishing the planet in the 4th house. Where as others would use a pond { jalashaya }, where the water is stagnant , to establish the planet in the 4th house. This issue has been a point of debate for very long. Therefore , either gifting a karak object at a temple or placing it at a cross-roads can not be an alternative to throwing it into a running water ; because the first act is to either establish a planet in the 2nd house or to appease it , where as the second act is either to distance the influence or to establish it in the 4th house. The two acts are not the same. with regards to all the gurujan. bhuwan lalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > The clarifications according to my learning is as under : > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a malefic in > the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 days; for > example) like donating the things represented by the planet for reducing > negative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an opposite effect as > the planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As donating the things > of a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic effects of > that planet, then in that case what > > > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for > example)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then > what has to be done? > > IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE PLANET IS > CHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL ACCORDINGLY. > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in a > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can be > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what is to be > done? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at a > long distance from the sea shore? > I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM IS TO FEED THE > FISH > ELSE > HOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT. > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and there > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the things be > thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the things put into > it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore once again) > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN BE > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > Regards > Rajeev K Khattar > > > " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> > <lalkitab > > Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM > [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification > > > > I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it > > thanx > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " vspfurn24 " <vspfurn24> wrote: > > > dear colleagues, > > > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > > > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done > > for > > > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by the > > > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then will > > it > > > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in the > > > natal chart. > > > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it > > > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case what > > > shaould be done.? > > > > > > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the > > > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what has > > to > > > be done? > > > > > > Please throw some light on this matter.? > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in > > a > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can > > be > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what > > > is to be done? > > > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at > > a > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and > > there > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > > things > > > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the > > things > > > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the > > > shore once again) > > > > > > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter. > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Dear Bhuwan Jee Thanks for your mail. If u can, then kindly refer to lalkitab published by Hare Rama-Hare Krishna Trust,Chandigarh ( they have published verbatim translation of lalkitab ) , page 12 , last line of topic number 12,it is written that : Dharam Sthaan : Dharam paalan,pooja-paath,.........naastik ke liye chalta dariya/nadi(river),shani ka chauraha ,dharam sthaan ka kaam dega. as per my thinking it means....river and cross-roads can be used to substitute temple...so both have same effects ( when A= B and B=C...then A = C. ) I may be wrong also.Kindly correct me if my thinking is incorrect. Regards Rajeev K Khattar - " bhuwanvashishtha " <bhuwanvashishtha <lalkitab > Monday, July 26, 2004 6:38 PM [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification > Respected Khattar jee, > > You have said , > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN BE > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > With due respect , I would like to say that I have not come across > any such dictum in the book where it says that an alternative of > throwing a thing into running water could either be gifting it at a > temple or placing it at a cross-roads { chau-rasta }. > > Yes , the book says that if you do not find a temple then you could > place it at a cross-road , provided ' koi shaq na kare '. Both the > temple and the cross-roads represent the 2nd house. Therefore only > those karak objects are to be gifted at a temple , which are to be > established in the 2nd house. In some cases the karak objects are > gifted at a temple to appease the planet also. > > Throwing a karak object into running water means distancing the > influence of the planet from the jatak { grah prabhav ko jatak se > door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts interpret this throwing into > running water as to establishing the planet in the 4th house. Where > as others would use a pond { jalashaya }, where the water is > stagnant , to establish the planet in the 4th house. This issue has > been a point of debate for very long. > > Therefore , either gifting a karak object at a temple or placing it > at a cross-roads can not be an alternative to throwing it into a > running water ; because the first act is to either establish a planet > in the 2nd house or to appease it , where as the second act is either > to distance the influence or to establish it in the 4th house. The > two acts are not the same. > > with regards to all the gurujan. > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> > wrote: > > The clarifications according to my learning is as under : > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > malefic in > > the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 > days; for > > example) like donating the things represented by the planet for > reducing > > negative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an opposite > effect as > > the planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As donating > the things > > of a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic > effects of > > that planet, then in that case what > > > > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way round; > for > > example)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in > varshphal, then > > what has to be done? > > > > IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE PLANET IS > > CHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL ACCORDINGLY. > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > fishes in a > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can > be > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what > is to be > > done? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will > be at a > > long distance from the sea shore? > > I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM IS TO > FEED THE > > FISH > > ELSE > > HOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO KNOW > ABOUT IT. > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water > and there > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > things be > > thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the things > put into > > it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore > once again) > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN > BE > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > Regards > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> > > <lalkitab > > > Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM > > [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification > > > > > > > I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it > > > thanx > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " vspfurn24 " <vspfurn24> > wrote: > > > > dear colleagues, > > > > > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > > > > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is > done > > > for > > > > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by > the > > > > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then > will > > > it > > > > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in > the > > > > natal chart. > > > > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it > > > > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case > what > > > > shaould be done.? > > > > > > > > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the > > > > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what > has > > > to > > > > be done? > > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this matter.? > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > fishes in > > > a > > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which > can > > > be > > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then > what > > > > is to be done? > > > > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will > be at > > > a > > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and > > > there > > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > > > things > > > > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the > > > things > > > > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to > the > > > > shore once again) > > > > > > > > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter. > > > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Respected Bhuvan Jee, Please permit me to express the following: Here in North America and Canada, it has become quite risky to perform a running water measure. You can be cited for suspicious activities and it is specially relevant in light of post-9/11 events. Also, where do you find running water in Delhi and surrounding areas this Monsoon season? It is permissible to do the remedial measures in a temple. Years ago, Pt Roop Chand Jee permitted me to do a 43-day measure in a temple/gurudwara because there was no running water close by. (Dangree river was absolutely dry and Yamuna was at least two hours, one way.) Similarly, people from Rajsthan were told to do the remedial measures in a temple. Of course, you have to maintain the sanctity of the temple. Cross-roads are also permitted in case one does not believe in places of worship. I am sure you've read it somewhere else (not in LalKitab, though.) about linking stagnant water with the remedial measures for the fourth house. That is a misleading theory (With due apologies, it is not YOUR theory, it is someone else's theory and it is misleading.) The only measure that is to be done in stagnant water is for Satun in the sixth; maybe one or two more but they have nothing to do with the fourth house. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatiabhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha wrote: Respected Khattar jee,You have said ,LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN BEDONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS.With due respect , I would like to say that I have not come across any such dictum in the book where it says that an alternative of throwing a thing into running water could either be gifting it at a temple or placing it at a cross-roads { chau-rasta }. Yes , the book says that if you do not find a temple then you could place it at a cross-road , provided ' koi shaq na kare '. Both the temple and the cross-roads represent the 2nd house. Therefore only those karak objects are to be gifted at a temple , which are to be established in the 2nd house. In some cases the karak objects are gifted at a temple to appease the planet also.Throwing a karak object into running water means distancing the influence of the planet from the jatak { grah prabhav ko jatak se door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts interpret this throwing into running water as to establishing the planet in the 4th house. Where as others would use a pond { jalashaya }, where the water is stagnant , to establish the planet in the 4th house. This issue has been a point of debate for very long.Therefore , either gifting a karak object at a temple or placing it at a cross-roads can not be an alternative to throwing it into a running water ; because the first act is to either establish a planet in the 2nd house or to appease it , where as the second act is either to distance the influence or to establish it in the 4th house. The two acts are not the same.with regards to all the gurujan.bhuwanlalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote:> The clarifications according to my learning is as under :> a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a malefic in> the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 days; for> example) like donating the things represented by the planet for reducing> negative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an opposite effect as> the planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As donating the things> of a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic effects of> that planet, then in that case what> > > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for> example)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then> what has to be done?> > IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE PLANET IS> CHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL ACCORDINGLY.> > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in a> lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can be> visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what is to be> done? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at a> long distance from the sea shore?> I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM IS TO FEED THE> FISH> ELSE> HOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT.> > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and there> is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the things be> thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the things put into> it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore once again)> LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN BE> DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS.> > Regards> Rajeev K Khattar> > > "rakeshrajnisharma" <rakeshrajnisharma>> <lalkitab >> Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM> [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification> > > > I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it> > thanx> > rakesh sharma> >> >> >> > lalkitab , "vspfurn24" <vspfurn24> wrote:> > > dear colleagues,> > >> > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a> > > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done> > for> > > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by the> > > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then will> > it> > > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in the> > > natal chart.> > > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it> > > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case what> > > shaould be done.?> > >> > > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the> > > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what has> > to> > > be done?> > >> > > Please throw some light on this matter.?> > >> > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in> > a> > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can> > be> > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what> > > is to be done?> > > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at> > a> > > long distance from the sea shore?> > >> > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and> > there> > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the> > things> > > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the> > things> > > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the> > > shore once again)> > >> > > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter.> > >> > > Thanking you in anticipation.> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 dear Bhatia jee, As mr Bhuwan pointed out that " Throwing a karak object into running water means distancing the influence of the planet from the jatak { grah prabhav ko jatak se door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts interpret this throwing into running water as to establishing the planet in the 4th house " I read the the book written by Pt Ashant that a planet can be shifted to 4 th house only if it aspects it otherwise not.So therefore can we take the meaning like thi that if a planet does NOT aspect 4 th house and still we are throwing its articles in the running water it means that we are distancing the influence of the planet from the jatak .If it is true then remedial theory is very easy as every malefic's articles can be thrown in the running water. and if aspect theory is not correct then every planet can be shifted to 2nd house or where ever we want to with highest regards rakesh sharma lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > Respected Bhuvan Jee, > Please permit me to express the following: > Here in North America and Canada, it has become quite risky to perform a running water measure. You can be cited for suspicious activities and it is specially relevant in light of post-9/11 events. Also, where do you find running water in Delhi and surrounding areas this Monsoon season? It is permissible to do the remedial measures in a temple. Years ago, Pt Roop Chand Jee permitted me to do a 43-day measure in a temple/gurudwara because there was no running water close by. (Dangree river was absolutely dry and Yamuna was at least two hours, one way.) Similarly, people from Rajsthan were told to do the remedial measures in a temple. Of course, you have to maintain the sanctity of the temple. Cross-roads are also permitted in case one does not believe in places of worship. > I am sure you've read it somewhere else (not in LalKitab, though.) about linking stagnant water with the remedial measures for the fourth house. That is a misleading theory (With due apologies, it is not YOUR theory, it is someone else's theory and it is misleading.) The only measure that is to be done in stagnant water is for Satun in the sixth; maybe one or two more but they have nothing to do with the fourth house. > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > Respected Khattar jee, > > You have said , > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN BE > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > With due respect , I would like to say that I have not come across > any such dictum in the book where it says that an alternative of > throwing a thing into running water could either be gifting it at a > temple or placing it at a cross-roads { chau-rasta }. > > Yes , the book says that if you do not find a temple then you could > place it at a cross-road , provided ' koi shaq na kare '. Both the > temple and the cross-roads represent the 2nd house. Therefore only > those karak objects are to be gifted at a temple , which are to be > established in the 2nd house. In some cases the karak objects are > gifted at a temple to appease the planet also. > > Throwing a karak object into running water means distancing the > influence of the planet from the jatak { grah prabhav ko jatak se > door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts interpret this throwing into > running water as to establishing the planet in the 4th house. Where > as others would use a pond { jalashaya }, where the water is > stagnant , to establish the planet in the 4th house. This issue has > been a point of debate for very long. > > Therefore , either gifting a karak object at a temple or placing it > at a cross-roads can not be an alternative to throwing it into a > running water ; because the first act is to either establish a planet > in the 2nd house or to appease it , where as the second act is either > to distance the influence or to establish it in the 4th house. The > two acts are not the same. > > with regards to all the gurujan. > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> > wrote: > > The clarifications according to my learning is as under : > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > malefic in > > the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 > days; for > > example) like donating the things represented by the planet for > reducing > > negative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an opposite > effect as > > the planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As donating > the things > > of a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic > effects of > > that planet, then in that case what > > > > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way round; > for > > example)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in > varshphal, then > > what has to be done? > > > > IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE PLANET IS > > CHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL ACCORDINGLY. > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > fishes in a > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can > be > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what > is to be > > done? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will > be at a > > long distance from the sea shore? > > I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM IS TO > FEED THE > > FISH > > ELSE > > HOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO KNOW > ABOUT IT. > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water > and there > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > things be > > thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the things > put into > > it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore > once again) > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN > BE > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > Regards > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> > > <lalkitab > > > Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM > > [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification > > > > > > > I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it > > > thanx > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " vspfurn24 " <vspfurn24> > wrote: > > > > dear colleagues, > > > > > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > > > > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is > done > > > for > > > > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by > the > > > > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then > will > > > it > > > > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in > the > > > > natal chart. > > > > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it > > > > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case > what > > > > shaould be done.? > > > > > > > > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the > > > > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what > has > > > to > > > > be done? > > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this matter.? > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > fishes in > > > a > > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which > can > > > be > > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then > what > > > > is to be done? > > > > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will > be at > > > a > > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and > > > there > > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > > > things > > > > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the > > > things > > > > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to > the > > > > shore once again) > > > > > > > > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter. > > > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Dear Bhuwan Jee > Thanks for your mail. If u can, then kindly refer to lalkitab published by > Hare Rama-Hare Krishna Trust,Chandigarh ( they have published verbatim > translation of lalkitab ) , page 12 , last line of topic number 12,it is > written that : > > Dharam Sthaan : Dharam paalan,pooja-paath,.........naastik ke liye chalta > dariya/nadi(river),shani ka chauraha ,dharam sthaan ka kaam dega. > > as per my thinking it means....river and cross-roads can be used to > substitute temple...so both have same effects > ( when A= B and B=C...then A = C. ) > > I may be wrong also.Kindly correct me if my thinking is incorrect. > Regards > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > - > " bhuwanvashishtha " <bhuwanvashishtha > <lalkitab > > Monday, July 26, 2004 6:38 PM > [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification > > > > Respected Khattar jee, > > > > You have said , > > > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN BE > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > With due respect , I would like to say that I have not come across > > any such dictum in the book where it says that an alternative of > > throwing a thing into running water could either be gifting it at a > > temple or placing it at a cross-roads { chau-rasta }. > > > > Yes , the book says that if you do not find a temple then you could > > place it at a cross-road , provided ' koi shaq na kare '. Both the > > temple and the cross-roads represent the 2nd house. Therefore only > > those karak objects are to be gifted at a temple , which are to be > > established in the 2nd house. In some cases the karak objects are > > gifted at a temple to appease the planet also. > > > > Throwing a karak object into running water means distancing the > > influence of the planet from the jatak { grah prabhav ko jatak se > > door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts interpret this throwing into > > running water as to establishing the planet in the 4th house. Where > > as others would use a pond { jalashaya }, where the water is > > stagnant , to establish the planet in the 4th house. This issue has > > been a point of debate for very long. > > > > Therefore , either gifting a karak object at a temple or placing it > > at a cross-roads can not be an alternative to throwing it into a > > running water ; because the first act is to either establish a planet > > in the 2nd house or to appease it , where as the second act is either > > to distance the influence or to establish it in the 4th house. The > > two acts are not the same. > > > > with regards to all the gurujan. > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> > > wrote: > > > The clarifications according to my learning is as under : > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > > malefic in > > > the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 > > days; for > > > example) like donating the things represented by the planet for > > reducing > > > negative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an opposite > > effect as > > > the planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As donating > > the things > > > of a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic > > effects of > > > that planet, then in that case what > > > > > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way round; > > for > > > example)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in > > varshphal, then > > > what has to be done? > > > > > > IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE PLANET IS > > > CHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL ACCORDINGLY. > > > > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > > fishes in a > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can > > be > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what > > is to be > > > done? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will > > be at a > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM IS TO > > FEED THE > > > FISH > > > ELSE > > > HOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO KNOW > > ABOUT IT. > > > > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water > > and there > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > > things be > > > thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the things > > put into > > > it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore > > once again) > > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN > > BE > > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > > > Regards > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> > > > <lalkitab > > > > Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM > > > [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification > > > > > > > > > > I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it > > > > thanx > > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " vspfurn24 " <vspfurn24> > > wrote: > > > > > dear colleagues, > > > > > > > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > > > > > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is > > done > > > > for > > > > > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by > > the > > > > > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then > > will > > > > it > > > > > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in > > the > > > > > natal chart. > > > > > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it > > > > > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case > > what > > > > > shaould be done.? > > > > > > > > > > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the > > > > > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what > > has > > > > to > > > > > be done? > > > > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this matter.? > > > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > > fishes in > > > > a > > > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which > > can > > > > be > > > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then > > what > > > > > is to be done? > > > > > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will > > be at > > > > a > > > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and > > > > there > > > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > > > > things > > > > > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the > > > > things > > > > > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to > > the > > > > > shore once again) > > > > > > > > > > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter. > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Thanks for clarification Rajinder ji. regards amitaRajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: Amita Jee, I think that terminology has to be clarified. Bread is made with yeast and therefore, it assumes altogether different characteristics. Chapaati is made of wheat alright but the remedial measure to feed the fish (in context of LalKitab) is "small balls (goliyaan) made of kneeded wheat." By the way, this and any other flowing-water remedy can be performed from the Sea-shore. We need not worry about the ocean "throwing" it back. It will take it in again during the next tide. After all, the rivers are eventually supposed to end up in the ocean. Respectfully, Rajinder BhatiaAmita Shukla <shuklaamita wrote: Hello Rajeev ji I was reading this email and had a query regarding upaya "kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes" Instead of kneaded flour can we feed bread pieces to the fishes. I feel fishes eat bread more readily than kneaded flour. Regards Amita Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab wrote: The clarifications according to my learning is as under :a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a malefic inthe varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 days; forexample) like donating the things represented by the planet for reducingnegative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an opposite effect asthe planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As donating the thingsof a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic effects ofthat planet, then in that case what> > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way round; forexample)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, thenwhat has to be done?IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE PLANET ISCHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL ACCORDINGLY.> > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in alake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can bevisited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what is to bedone? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at along distance from the sea shore?I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM IS TO FEED THEFISHELSEHOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT.> > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and thereis no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the things bethrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the things put intoit due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore once again)LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN BEDONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS.RegardsRajeev K Khattar"rakeshrajnisharma" <rakeshrajnisharma<lalkitab >Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM[lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification> I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it> thanx> rakesh sharma>>>> lalkitab , "vspfurn24" <vspfurn24> wrote:> > dear colleagues,> >> > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a> > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done> for> > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by the> > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then will> it> > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic in the> > natal chart.> > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as it> > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case what> > shaould be done.?> >> > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if the> > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then what has> to> > be done?> >> > Please throw some light on this matter.?> >> > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to fishes in> a> > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which can> be> > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then what> > is to be done?> > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will be at> a> > long distance from the sea shore?> >> > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water and> there> > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the> things> > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the> things> > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the> > shore once again)> >> > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter.> >> > Thanking you in anticipation.>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Rakesh ji, IMO the additional questions to the point you raise with ref to the 4th house are, (1) To establish a planet in a desired house is it a given that there must be some form of aspect leading to the desired house from the house where the planet is currently located?, and (2) What kind of aspects are to be looked for the specific purposes of establishing a planet in particular house by moving it from it's current location? This will help a great deal in comprehension of the rationale behind the upayas for me atleast. Hope someone will throw some light on the whole issue. Thanks in advance Regards R S lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > dear Bhatia jee, > As mr Bhuwan pointed out that " Throwing a karak object into running > water means distancing the influence of the planet from the jatak { > grah prabhav ko jatak se door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts > interpret this throwing into running water as to establishing the > planet in the 4th house " I read the the book written by Pt Ashant > that a planet can be shifted to 4 th house only if it aspects it > otherwise not.So therefore can we take the meaning like thi that if > a planet does NOT aspect 4 th house and still we are throwing its > articles in the running water it means that we are distancing the > influence of the planet from the jatak .If it is true then remedial > theory is very easy as every malefic's articles can be thrown in the > running water. > and if aspect theory is not correct then every planet can be shifted > to 2nd house or where ever we want to > with highest regards > rakesh sharma > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > Respected Bhuvan Jee, > > Please permit me to express the following: > > Here in North America and Canada, it has become quite risky to > perform a running water measure. You can be cited for suspicious > activities and it is specially relevant in light of post-9/11 events. > Also, where do you find running water in Delhi and surrounding areas > this Monsoon season? It is permissible to do the remedial measures in > a temple. Years ago, Pt Roop Chand Jee permitted me to do a 43-day > measure in a temple/gurudwara because there was no running water > close by. (Dangree river was absolutely dry and Yamuna was at least > two hours, one way.) Similarly, people from Rajsthan were told to do > the remedial measures in a temple. Of course, you have to maintain > the sanctity of the temple. Cross-roads are also permitted in case > one does not believe in places of worship. > > I am sure you've read it somewhere else (not in LalKitab, though.) > about linking stagnant water with the remedial measures for the > fourth house. That is a misleading theory (With due apologies, it is > not YOUR theory, it is someone else's theory and it is misleading.) > The only measure that is to be done in stagnant water is for Satun in > the sixth; maybe one or two more but they have nothing to do with the > fourth house. > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > Respected Khattar jee, > > > > You have said , > > > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN > BE > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > With due respect , I would like to say that I have not come across > > any such dictum in the book where it says that an alternative of > > throwing a thing into running water could either be gifting it at > a > > temple or placing it at a cross-roads { chau-rasta }. > > > > Yes , the book says that if you do not find a temple then you could > > place it at a cross-road , provided ' koi shaq na kare '. Both the > > temple and the cross-roads represent the 2nd house. Therefore only > > those karak objects are to be gifted at a temple , which are to be > > established in the 2nd house. In some cases the karak objects are > > gifted at a temple to appease the planet also. > > > > Throwing a karak object into running water means distancing the > > influence of the planet from the jatak { grah prabhav ko jatak se > > door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts interpret this throwing into > > running water as to establishing the planet in the 4th house. Where > > as others would use a pond { jalashaya }, where the water is > > stagnant , to establish the planet in the 4th house. This issue > has > > been a point of debate for very long. > > > > Therefore , either gifting a karak object at a temple or placing it > > at a cross-roads can not be an alternative to throwing it into a > > running water ; because the first act is to either establish a > planet > > in the 2nd house or to appease it , where as the second act is > either > > to distance the influence or to establish it in the 4th house. The > > two acts are not the same. > > > > with regards to all the gurujan. > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> > > wrote: > > > The clarifications according to my learning is as under : > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > > malefic in > > > the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 > > days; for > > > example) like donating the things represented by the planet for > > reducing > > > negative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an > opposite > > effect as > > > the planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As donating > > the things > > > of a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic > > effects of > > > that planet, then in that case what > > > > > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way > round; > > for > > > example)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in > > varshphal, then > > > what has to be done? > > > > > > IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE PLANET > IS > > > CHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL ACCORDINGLY. > > > > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > > fishes in a > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which > can > > be > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then > what > > is to be > > > done? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes > will > > be at a > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM IS > TO > > FEED THE > > > FISH > > > ELSE > > > HOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO KNOW > > ABOUT IT. > > > > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water > > and there > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > > things be > > > thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the > things > > put into > > > it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore > > once again) > > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS > CAN > > BE > > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > > > Regards > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> > > > <lalkitab > > > > Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM > > > [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification > > > > > > > > > > I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it > > > > thanx > > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " vspfurn24 " <vspfurn24> > > wrote: > > > > > dear colleagues, > > > > > > > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > > > > > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is > > done > > > > for > > > > > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by > > the > > > > > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then > > will > > > > it > > > > > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic > in > > the > > > > > natal chart. > > > > > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as > it > > > > > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case > > what > > > > > shaould be done.? > > > > > > > > > > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example)if > the > > > > > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then > what > > has > > > > to > > > > > be done? > > > > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this matter.? > > > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > > fishes in > > > > a > > > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city > which > > can > > > > be > > > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the > native,then > > what > > > > > is to be done? > > > > > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will > > be at > > > > a > > > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water > and > > > > there > > > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > > > > things > > > > > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the > > > > things > > > > > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back > to > > the > > > > > shore once again) > > > > > > > > > > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter. > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 dear freind , as far as my knoweledge goes, it is like this; suppose jupitar is in 10th house and some says donate gram daal in mandir. IT MAY NOT HELP AS DONNATING YELLOW THINGS IN MANDIR MEANS TRYING TO TAKE THE PLANET IN THE 2ND HOUSE BUT AS JUPITAR DOES NOT ASPECT 2 ND HOUSE .BUT IF THE SAME JUPITAR IS IN THE THE 10TH HOUSE AND MALEFIC THEN IT IS POSSIBLE AS 5TH ASPECT TO 2ND HOUSE OCCURS. iN THE SAME WAY IF IT IS IN THE 6TH HOUSE THEN IT CAN BE SENT TO 2ND HOUSE VIA 9TH ASPECT WHAT OTHERS THINK ABOUT IT???? WITH REGARDS RAKESH SHARMA -- In lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > Rakesh ji, > > IMO the additional questions to the point you raise with ref to the > 4th house are, > > (1) To establish a planet in a desired house is it a given that there > must be some form of aspect leading to the desired house from the > house where the planet is currently located?, and > > (2) What kind of aspects are to be looked for the specific purposes of > establishing a planet in particular house by moving it from it's > current location? > > This will help a great deal in comprehension of the rationale behind > the upayas for me atleast. Hope someone will throw some light on the > whole issue. > > Thanks in advance > > Regards > > > R S > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " > <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > dear Bhatia jee, > > As mr Bhuwan pointed out that " Throwing a karak object into running > > water means distancing the influence of the planet from the jatak { > > grah prabhav ko jatak se door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts > > interpret this throwing into running water as to establishing the > > planet in the 4th house " I read the the book written by Pt Ashant > > that a planet can be shifted to 4 th house only if it aspects it > > otherwise not.So therefore can we take the meaning like thi that if > > a planet does NOT aspect 4 th house and still we are throwing its > > articles in the running water it means that we are distancing the > > influence of the planet from the jatak .If it is true then remedial > > theory is very easy as every malefic's articles can be thrown in the > > running water. > > and if aspect theory is not correct then every planet can be shifted > > to 2nd house or where ever we want to > > with highest regards > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > > Respected Bhuvan Jee, > > > Please permit me to express the following: > > > Here in North America and Canada, it has become quite risky to > > perform a running water measure. You can be cited for suspicious > > activities and it is specially relevant in light of post-9/11 events. > > Also, where do you find running water in Delhi and surrounding areas > > this Monsoon season? It is permissible to do the remedial measures in > > a temple. Years ago, Pt Roop Chand Jee permitted me to do a 43- day > > measure in a temple/gurudwara because there was no running water > > close by. (Dangree river was absolutely dry and Yamuna was at least > > two hours, one way.) Similarly, people from Rajsthan were told to do > > the remedial measures in a temple. Of course, you have to maintain > > the sanctity of the temple. Cross-roads are also permitted in case > > one does not believe in places of worship. > > > I am sure you've read it somewhere else (not in LalKitab, though.) > > about linking stagnant water with the remedial measures for the > > fourth house. That is a misleading theory (With due apologies, it is > > not YOUR theory, it is someone else's theory and it is misleading.) > > The only measure that is to be done in stagnant water is for Satun in > > the sixth; maybe one or two more but they have nothing to do with the > > fourth house. > > > Respectfully, > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > > Respected Khattar jee, > > > > > > You have said , > > > > > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS CAN > > BE > > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > > > With due respect , I would like to say that I have not come across > > > any such dictum in the book where it says that an alternative of > > > throwing a thing into running water could either be gifting it at > > a > > > temple or placing it at a cross-roads { chau-rasta }. > > > > > > Yes , the book says that if you do not find a temple then you could > > > place it at a cross-road , provided ' koi shaq na kare '. Both the > > > temple and the cross-roads represent the 2nd house. Therefore only > > > those karak objects are to be gifted at a temple , which are to be > > > established in the 2nd house. In some cases the karak objects are > > > gifted at a temple to appease the planet also. > > > > > > Throwing a karak object into running water means distancing the > > > influence of the planet from the jatak { grah prabhav ko jatak se > > > door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts interpret this throwing into > > > running water as to establishing the planet in the 4th house. Where > > > as others would use a pond { jalashaya }, where the water is > > > stagnant , to establish the planet in the 4th house. This issue > > has > > > been a point of debate for very long. > > > > > > Therefore , either gifting a karak object at a temple or placing it > > > at a cross-roads can not be an alternative to throwing it into a > > > running water ; because the first act is to either establish a > > planet > > > in the 2nd house or to appease it , where as the second act is > > either > > > to distance the influence or to establish it in the 4th house. The > > > two acts are not the same. > > > > > > with regards to all the gurujan. > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> > > > wrote: > > > > The clarifications according to my learning is as under : > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > > > malefic in > > > > the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for 43 > > > days; for > > > > example) like donating the things represented by the planet for > > > reducing > > > > negative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an > > opposite > > > effect as > > > > the planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As donating > > > the things > > > > of a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic > > > effects of > > > > that planet, then in that case what > > > > > > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way > > round; > > > for > > > > example)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in > > > varshphal, then > > > > what has to be done? > > > > > > > > IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE PLANET > > IS > > > > CHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL ACCORDINGLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > > > fishes in a > > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city which > > can > > > be > > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the native,then > > what > > > is to be > > > > done? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes > > will > > > be at a > > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM IS > > TO > > > FEED THE > > > > FISH > > > > ELSE > > > > HOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO KNOW > > > ABOUT IT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water > > > and there > > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > > > things be > > > > thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the > > things > > > put into > > > > it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the shore > > > once again) > > > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS > > CAN > > > BE > > > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM > > > > [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it > > > > > thanx > > > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " vspfurn24 " <vspfurn24> > > > wrote: > > > > > > dear colleagues, > > > > > > > > > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes a > > > > > > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is > > > done > > > > > for > > > > > > 43 days; for example) like donating the things represented by > > > the > > > > > > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, then > > > will > > > > > it > > > > > > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a benefic > > in > > > the > > > > > > natal chart. > > > > > > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed as > > it > > > > > > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that case > > > what > > > > > > shaould be done.? > > > > > > > > > > > > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example) if > > the > > > > > > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then > > what > > > has > > > > > to > > > > > > be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this matter.? > > > > > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > > > fishes in > > > > > a > > > > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city > > which > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the > > native,then > > > what > > > > > > is to be done? > > > > > > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes will > > > be at > > > > > a > > > > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running water > > and > > > > > there > > > > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > > > > > things > > > > > > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the > > > > > things > > > > > > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come back > > to > > > the > > > > > > shore once again) > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Rakesh ji Then I should infer that you too go by Pt Krishan Ashant's contention that to establish a planet in a house, there has to be a clear route(in the form of an aspect/drishti) leading to that house from it's present house? The second question therefore is which particular type of aspects can be used for this purpose. Do please share your thoughts on this issue as well. I hope the other experts too shall clarify this matter so that a clear guidline emerges. Regards R S lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > dear freind , > as far as my knoweledge goes, it is like this; > suppose jupitar is in 10th house and some says donate gram daal in > mandir. IT MAY NOT HELP AS DONNATING YELLOW THINGS IN MANDIR MEANS > TRYING TO TAKE THE PLANET IN THE 2ND HOUSE BUT AS JUPITAR DOES NOT > ASPECT 2 ND HOUSE .BUT IF THE SAME JUPITAR IS IN THE THE 10TH HOUSE > AND MALEFIC THEN IT IS POSSIBLE AS 5TH ASPECT TO 2ND HOUSE OCCURS. iN > THE SAME WAY IF IT IS IN THE 6TH HOUSE THEN IT CAN BE SENT TO 2ND > HOUSE VIA 9TH ASPECT > WHAT OTHERS THINK ABOUT IT???? > WITH REGARDS > RAKESH SHARMA > > > > -- In lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > Rakesh ji, > > > > IMO the additional questions to the point you raise with ref to the > > 4th house are, > > > > (1) To establish a planet in a desired house is it a given that > there > > must be some form of aspect leading to the desired house from the > > house where the planet is currently located?, and > > > > (2) What kind of aspects are to be looked for the specific purposes > of > > establishing a planet in particular house by moving it from it's > > current location? > > > > This will help a great deal in comprehension of the rationale behind > > the upayas for me atleast. Hope someone will throw some light on the > > whole issue. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Regards > > > > > > R S > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " > > <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > > dear Bhatia jee, > > > As mr Bhuwan pointed out that " Throwing a karak object into > running > > > water means distancing the influence of the planet from the jatak > { > > > grah prabhav ko jatak se door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts > > > interpret this throwing into running water as to establishing the > > > planet in the 4th house " I read the the book written by Pt Ashant > > > that a planet can be shifted to 4 th house only if it aspects it > > > otherwise not.So therefore can we take the meaning like thi that > if > > > a planet does NOT aspect 4 th house and still we are throwing > its > > > articles in the running water it means that we are distancing the > > > influence of the planet from the jatak .If it is true then > remedial > > > theory is very easy as every malefic's articles can be thrown in > the > > > running water. > > > and if aspect theory is not correct then every planet can be > shifted > > > to 2nd house or where ever we want to > > > with highest regards > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > > > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhuvan Jee, > > > > Please permit me to express the following: > > > > Here in North America and Canada, it has become quite risky to > > > perform a running water measure. You can be cited for suspicious > > > activities and it is specially relevant in light of post-9/11 > events. > > > Also, where do you find running water in Delhi and surrounding > areas > > > this Monsoon season? It is permissible to do the remedial > measures in > > > a temple. Years ago, Pt Roop Chand Jee permitted me to do a 43- > day > > > measure in a temple/gurudwara because there was no running water > > > close by. (Dangree river was absolutely dry and Yamuna was at > least > > > two hours, one way.) Similarly, people from Rajsthan were told to > do > > > the remedial measures in a temple. Of course, you have to > maintain > > > the sanctity of the temple. Cross-roads are also permitted in > case > > > one does not believe in places of worship. > > > > I am sure you've read it somewhere else (not in LalKitab, > though.) > > > about linking stagnant water with the remedial measures for the > > > fourth house. That is a misleading theory (With due apologies, it > is > > > not YOUR theory, it is someone else's theory and it is > misleading.) > > > The only measure that is to be done in stagnant water is for > Satun in > > > the sixth; maybe one or two more but they have nothing to do with > the > > > fourth house. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > > > Respected Khattar jee, > > > > > > > > You have said , > > > > > > > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT AVAILABLE,THINGS > CAN > > > BE > > > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > > > > > With due respect , I would like to say that I have not come > across > > > > any such dictum in the book where it says that an alternative > of > > > > throwing a thing into running water could either be gifting it > at > > > a > > > > temple or placing it at a cross-roads { chau-rasta }. > > > > > > > > Yes , the book says that if you do not find a temple then you > could > > > > place it at a cross-road , provided ' koi shaq na kare '. Both > the > > > > temple and the cross-roads represent the 2nd house. Therefore > only > > > > those karak objects are to be gifted at a temple , which are to > be > > > > established in the 2nd house. In some cases the karak objects > are > > > > gifted at a temple to appease the planet also. > > > > > > > > Throwing a karak object into running water means distancing the > > > > influence of the planet from the jatak { grah prabhav ko jatak > se > > > > door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts interpret this throwing > into > > > > running water as to establishing the planet in the 4th house. > Where > > > > as others would use a pond { jalashaya }, where the water is > > > > stagnant , to establish the planet in the 4th house. This > issue > > > has > > > > been a point of debate for very long. > > > > > > > > Therefore , either gifting a karak object at a temple or > placing it > > > > at a cross-roads can not be an alternative to throwing it into > a > > > > running water ; because the first act is to either establish a > > > planet > > > > in the 2nd house or to appease it , where as the second act is > > > either > > > > to distance the influence or to establish it in the 4th house. > The > > > > two acts are not the same. > > > > > > > > with regards to all the gurujan. > > > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar > <lalkitab@v...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > The clarifications according to my learning is as under : > > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it becomes > a > > > > malefic in > > > > > the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for > 43 > > > > days; for > > > > > example) like donating the things represented by the planet > for > > > > reducing > > > > > negative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an > > > opposite > > > > effect as > > > > > the planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As > donating > > > > the things > > > > > of a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the benefic > > > > effects of > > > > > that planet, then in that case what > > > > > > > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other way > > > round; > > > > for > > > > > example)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in > > > > varshphal, then > > > > > what has to be done? > > > > > > > > > > IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE > PLANET > > > IS > > > > > CHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL > ACCORDINGLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > > > > fishes in a > > > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city > which > > > can > > > > be > > > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the > native,then > > > what > > > > is to be > > > > > done? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the > fishes > > > will > > > > be at a > > > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > > I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE AIM > IS > > > TO > > > > FEED THE > > > > > FISH > > > > > ELSE > > > > > HOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED TO > KNOW > > > > ABOUT IT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running > water > > > > and there > > > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can the > > > > things be > > > > > thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the > > > things > > > > put into > > > > > it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the > shore > > > > once again) > > > > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT > AVAILABLE,THINGS > > > CAN > > > > BE > > > > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> > > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > > Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM > > > > > [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " vspfurn24 " > <vspfurn24> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > dear colleagues, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it > becomes a > > > > > > > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet > is > > > > done > > > > > > for > > > > > > > 43 days; for example) like donating the things > represented by > > > > the > > > > > > > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, > then > > > > will > > > > > > it > > > > > > > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a > benefic > > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > natal chart. > > > > > > > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not allowed > as > > > it > > > > > > > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in that > case > > > > what > > > > > > > shaould be done.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for example) > if > > > the > > > > > > > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, then > > > what > > > > has > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this matter.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed to > > > > fishes in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city > > > which > > > > can > > > > > > be > > > > > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the > > > native,then > > > > what > > > > > > > is to be done? > > > > > > > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the fishes > will > > > > be at > > > > > > a > > > > > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running > water > > > and > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can > the > > > > > > things > > > > > > > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw > back the > > > > > > things > > > > > > > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come > back > > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > shore once again) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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