Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 - dear friends, here is the correction of my last letter;;;; suppose jupitar is in 12th house and some says donate gram daal in > > mandir. IT MAY NOT HELP AS DONNATING YELLOW THINGS IN MANDIR MEANS........ " yes, dear i do agree with Pt Ashant's book which seems to be more logical. The answer of the 2nd question lies un the stated examples. dear friends, long back . , Mr uppadhaya jee told me that he is working in IIT,Delhi but in which Dept , he didn't mention. Now one of my student is going to collect his degree from IIT,Delhi. It will be easy to locate Prof Uppadhaya jee if some body can tell the dept he is/was working. If the prof Sahib is reading himself then he should respond.(please) rakesh sharma -- In lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > Rakesh ji > > Then I should infer that you too go by Pt Krishan Ashant's contention > that to establish a planet in a house, there has to be a clear > route(in the form of an aspect/drishti) leading to that house from > it's present house? > > The second question therefore is which particular type of aspects can > be used for this purpose. Do please share your thoughts on this issue > as well. I hope the other experts too shall clarify this matter so > that a clear guidline emerges. > > > Regards > > > R S > > lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " > <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > dear freind , > > as far as my knoweledge goes, it is like this; > > suppose jupitar is in 10th house and some says donate gram daal in > > mandir. IT MAY NOT HELP AS DONNATING YELLOW THINGS IN MANDIR MEANS > > TRYING TO TAKE THE PLANET IN THE 2ND HOUSE BUT AS JUPITAR DOES NOT > > ASPECT 2 ND HOUSE .BUT IF THE SAME JUPITAR IS IN THE THE 10TH HOUSE > > AND MALEFIC THEN IT IS POSSIBLE AS 5TH ASPECT TO 2ND HOUSE OCCURS. > iN > > THE SAME WAY IF IT IS IN THE 6TH HOUSE THEN IT CAN BE SENT TO 2ND > > HOUSE VIA 9TH ASPECT > > WHAT OTHERS THINK ABOUT IT???? > > WITH REGARDS > > RAKESH SHARMA > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > > wrote: > > > Rakesh ji, > > > > > > IMO the additional questions to the point you raise with ref to > the > > > 4th house are, > > > > > > (1) To establish a planet in a desired house is it a given that > > there > > > must be some form of aspect leading to the desired house from the > > > house where the planet is currently located?, and > > > > > > (2) What kind of aspects are to be looked for the specific > purposes > > of > > > establishing a planet in particular house by moving it from it's > > > current location? > > > > > > This will help a great deal in comprehension of the rationale > behind > > > the upayas for me atleast. Hope someone will throw some light on > the > > > whole issue. > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshrajnisharma " > > > <rakeshrajnisharma> wrote: > > > > dear Bhatia jee, > > > > As mr Bhuwan pointed out that " Throwing a karak object into > > running > > > > water means distancing the influence of the planet from the > jatak > > { > > > > grah prabhav ko jatak se door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts > > > > interpret this throwing into running water as to establishing > the > > > > planet in the 4th house " I read the the book written by Pt > Ashant > > > > that a planet can be shifted to 4 th house only if it aspects > it > > > > otherwise not.So therefore can we take the meaning like thi > that > > if > > > > a planet does NOT aspect 4 th house and still we are throwing > > its > > > > articles in the running water it means that we are distancing > the > > > > influence of the planet from the jatak .If it is true then > > remedial > > > > theory is very easy as every malefic's articles can be thrown > in > > the > > > > running water. > > > > and if aspect theory is not correct then every planet can be > > shifted > > > > to 2nd house or where ever we want to > > > > with highest regards > > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > > > > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > > > > Respected Bhuvan Jee, > > > > > Please permit me to express the following: > > > > > Here in North America and Canada, it has become quite risky > to > > > > perform a running water measure. You can be cited for > suspicious > > > > activities and it is specially relevant in light of post-9/11 > > events. > > > > Also, where do you find running water in Delhi and surrounding > > areas > > > > this Monsoon season? It is permissible to do the remedial > > measures in > > > > a temple. Years ago, Pt Roop Chand Jee permitted me to do a 43- > > day > > > > measure in a temple/gurudwara because there was no running > water > > > > close by. (Dangree river was absolutely dry and Yamuna was at > > least > > > > two hours, one way.) Similarly, people from Rajsthan were told > to > > do > > > > the remedial measures in a temple. Of course, you have to > > maintain > > > > the sanctity of the temple. Cross-roads are also permitted in > > case > > > > one does not believe in places of worship. > > > > > I am sure you've read it somewhere else (not in LalKitab, > > though.) > > > > about linking stagnant water with the remedial measures for the > > > > fourth house. That is a misleading theory (With due apologies, > it > > is > > > > not YOUR theory, it is someone else's theory and it is > > misleading.) > > > > The only measure that is to be done in stagnant water is for > > Satun in > > > > the sixth; maybe one or two more but they have nothing to do > with > > the > > > > fourth house. > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > > > > Respected Khattar jee, > > > > > > > > > > You have said , > > > > > > > > > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT > AVAILABLE,THINGS > > CAN > > > > BE > > > > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > > > > > > > With due respect , I would like to say that I have not come > > across > > > > > any such dictum in the book where it says that an alternative > > of > > > > > throwing a thing into running water could either be gifting > it > > at > > > > a > > > > > temple or placing it at a cross-roads { chau-rasta }. > > > > > > > > > > Yes , the book says that if you do not find a temple then you > > could > > > > > place it at a cross-road , provided ' koi shaq na kare '. > Both > > the > > > > > temple and the cross-roads represent the 2nd house. Therefore > > only > > > > > those karak objects are to be gifted at a temple , which are > to > > be > > > > > established in the 2nd house. In some cases the karak objects > > are > > > > > gifted at a temple to appease the planet also. > > > > > > > > > > Throwing a karak object into running water means distancing > the > > > > > influence of the planet from the jatak { grah prabhav ko > jatak > > se > > > > > door karana }. Some Lal Kitab experts interpret this throwing > > into > > > > > running water as to establishing the planet in the 4th house. > > Where > > > > > as others would use a pond { jalashaya }, where the water is > > > > > stagnant , to establish the planet in the 4th house. This > > issue > > > > has > > > > > been a point of debate for very long. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore , either gifting a karak object at a temple or > > placing it > > > > > at a cross-roads can not be an alternative to throwing it > into > > a > > > > > running water ; because the first act is to either establish > a > > > > planet > > > > > in the 2nd house or to appease it , where as the second act > is > > > > either > > > > > to distance the influence or to establish it in the 4th > house. > > The > > > > > two acts are not the same. > > > > > > > > > > with regards to all the gurujan. > > > > > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev KKhattar > > <lalkitab@v...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > The clarifications according to my learning is as under : > > > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it > becomes > > a > > > > > malefic in > > > > > > the varshphal, then if an upaya of that planet is done for > > > 43 > > > > > days; for > > > > > > example) like donating the things represented by the planet > > for > > > > > reducing > > > > > > negative effects for the varshphal, then will it have an > > > > opposite > > > > > effect as > > > > > > the planet is basically a benefic in the natal chart.As > > donating > > > > > the things > > > > > > of a benefic planet is not allowed as it reduces the > benefic > > > > > effects of > > > > > > that planet, then in that case what > > > > > > > > shaould be done.? Conversely,also if it is the other > way > > > > round; > > > > > for > > > > > > example)if the planet is malefic in natal and benefic in > > > > > varshphal, then > > > > > > what has to be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > IN MY OPINION,WE SHOULD DO UPAYE FOR VARSHPHAL BECAUSE THE > > PLANET > > > > IS > > > > > > CHANGING IT'S NATURE TEMORARILY AND WE SHOULD DEAL > > ACCORDINGLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed > to > > > > > fishes in a > > > > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the city > > which > > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the > > native,then > > > > what > > > > > is to be > > > > > > done? Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the > > fishes > > > > will > > > > > be at a > > > > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > > > I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN FAVOUR OF SEA FISH.BECAUSE THE > AIM > > IS > > > > TO > > > > > FEED THE > > > > > > FISH > > > > > > ELSE > > > > > > HOW ABOUT FEEDING THE FISH IN HOME AQUARIUM?..I ALSO NEED > TO > > KNOW > > > > > ABOUT IT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running > > water > > > > > and there > > > > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then can > the > > > > > things be > > > > > > thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw back the > > > > things > > > > > put into > > > > > > it due to the tides, and the things shall come back to the > > shore > > > > > once again) > > > > > > LALKITAB HAS STATED CLEARLY WHEN RIVER IS NOT > > AVAILABLE,THINGS > > > > CAN > > > > > BE > > > > > > DONATED IN ANY TEMPLE OR CAN BE KEPT AT ANY CROSSROADS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rakeshrajnisharma " <rakeshrajnisharma> > > > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > > > Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:41 PM > > > > > > [lalkitab] Re: upayas - clarification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request all the Gurujans to please clarify it > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > rakesh sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " vspfurn24 " > > <vspfurn24> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear colleagues, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a)If a planet is a benefic in the natal chart and it > > becomes a > > > > > > > > malefic in the varshphal, then if an upaya of that > planet > > is > > > > > done > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > 43 days; for example) like donating the things > > represented by > > > > > the > > > > > > > > planet for reducing negative effects for the varshphal, > > then > > > > > will > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > have an opposite effect as the planet is basically a > > benefic > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > natal chart. > > > > > > > > As donating the things of a benefic planet is not > allowed > > as > > > > it > > > > > > > > reduces the benefic effects of that planet, then in > that > > case > > > > > what > > > > > > > > shaould be done.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conversely,also if it is the other way round; for > example) > > if > > > > the > > > > > > > > planet is malefic in natal and benefic in varshphal, > then > > > > what > > > > > has > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this matter.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (b)If an upaya states that kneaded flour had to be fed > to > > > > > fishes in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > lake or pond and if there is no lake or pond in the > city > > > > which > > > > > can > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > visited daily for 43 days without any break by the > > > > native,then > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is to be done? > > > > > > > > Can the same be thrown in the sea, where also the > fishes > > will > > > > > be at > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > long distance from the sea shore? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ©If in a uapaya,things have to be thrown in running > > water > > > > and > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is no running water,in close vicinty in the city,then > can > > the > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > be thrown in the sea?(the sea has a tendancy to throw > > back the > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > put into it due to the tides, and the things shall come > > back > > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > shore once again) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly enlighten on the above stated matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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