Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 BHUWAN even i haven't read it any where.infact i am yet to start studying lalakitab, whatever knowledge i have is by interacting iwth people with u,reagrding chakla upaya let me share something, umesh came to chandigarh and i arranged a meeting of top astrologers of chandigarh to interact with him;he met first of them and without looking at his chart said u r in trouble because u didn't bring a bed from ur sasural n dowry. and many more symtoms to many of them unheard in lalkitab. it was there that he told a lady to look for a chakla in her house, she cheked and found it to be there; since the topic was fresh in the forum i asked for explanation and told that it is for ketu no.11. i don't know how he does but the way he tells about people's past, incidents occured and things in the house or even happenings in the neighbourhood is mindbogling, he told me that he does that in order to get TEWE KI ASAN DARUSTI as per lalkiab.u are also of the same calibre if u know any system within the system of lalkitab wich reads such symptoms kindly share. i again clarify i wanted u to consult 1942 edition regarding kismat ka grah and not chakla and ketu no.11. regards kulbirbhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha wrote: Respected Kulbir jee," chaklewala upaya ketu 11 ke liye hota hai ". I donot have the urdu editions of 1939 and 1942 , but I do have the Arun Sanhita version for both these years. I did check out again Ketu in 11 [ 1939 ed , arun sanhita page 256 and 1942 ed arun sanhita page 106 ] I am afraid didn't find any mention of chakla or any upaya based on it. But since you have said it , I am prepared to accept.with regards,and naman to all gurujanbhuwanlalkitab , ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote:> bhuwan,> please include 1942 edition also in ur ciriculam and then comment on kismat ka grah and prabhakar ji kyunki yeh topic aapne shuru kiya hai ise detail mein explain aur lagu karna aappe choodta hoon aur bhuwan ji chakle wala symptom aur upaya ketu no. 11 ke ilye hota hai , umesh ji ne nabazbilkul thik pakdi thi, umesh ji aap khul ke kyon nahin batate charcha se sabka bhala hoga, kuch ham bhuwan aur prabhakar ji se sikhenge aur kuch yoh aapse. group ka yahi to faida hai. > kulbir> > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote:> Respected Prabhakar jee,> > [ 1 ] 'kismat ka grah' is talked of in the context of mahadasha { > page 143, LK 1952 ed} and {Arun sanhita page 43 }. Since we are not > discussing mahadasha here , there would be no need for it.> > [ 2 ] Regarding the rahu in 5th upaya , apart from the one both you > and I have suggested there are two more possible upaya. I suggested > this upaya because it is the most convenient to do.Don't you think > marrying all over again would be a bit too much to ask , when the > same effect can be achieved by keeping a silver elephant.> > with regards and naman to all gurujan,> > bhuwan> > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar> > wrote:> > Respected Bhuwan Ji,> > > > I fuuly agree with your house wise remedies for> > Harry's Sister. It shows how accurately and deeply> > this chart is being studied.> > > > But, With all due respect I wish to ask a couple of> > questions regarding your study of this Kundli.> > > > 1. Dont we are missing a vital most point in the> > kundli ? That is; She has no planet in "Band Muthi ke> > khane" (1-4-7-10). And it is often called a> > Be-Buniyaad Kundli. Isnt it ? In this it is a somewhat> > lengthy process to determine the "Qismat Ka Grah". Did> > you find this for her ?> > > > > > > > What measures you have taken in the light of that> > siruation ? I cant find any.> > > > 2. For Rahu in 5th house your good self has> > recommended to keep a silver elephant. That is the> > classic and correct remedy. But Dont you think that> > getting her remarried with her own spouse or its been> > left purposely by some other reason ? I am still> > wondering.> > > > I am sorry to bother you again, but this kundli> > belongs to a "girl in trouble", and her brother shown> > a great respect for the forum. I think we should try> > to study this chart from every possible angle. > > > > You have insisted to be called Priya instead of> > Adarniya. Sir Kya Adarniya Priya nahin hote ?> > > > I would love to hear from you in this regard.> > > > Regards> > > > Yograj Prabhakar.> > > > > > > > > > > > --- harry_bakshi <jassu1jat> wrote:> > > > > Hi All,> > > > > > Do we need to wait for more findings or just do what> > > Bhuwan ji > > > suggested? OR we need to wait for some more experts> > > advise on my > > > sister's horroscope?> > > > > > Please advise............> > > > > > LK Experts can ask questions to me to confirm her> > > horroscope the one > > > you ask other members to remove SHANKAS before> > > recommending any > > > UPAYAS. I really want to follow this approach before> > > asking my > > > sister to perform UPAYAS recommended by LK Experts. > > > > > > Thanks Bhuwan Ji and Mudit Ji to start this> > > discussion for her > > > benefits. > > > > > > - Regards,> > > Harry Bakshi> > > > > > > > > lalkitab , "bhuwanvashishtha" > > > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote:> > > > Respected Mudit jee, > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Aap ne pahala upaya bataya ki sone ka bina> > > jod ka chhalla > > > hare > > > > kagaz mein lapet kar rakhen . aap jante hein ki> > > iska kya parinam > > > > hoga ? sone ko kodh lag jayega. Sona { jup } to> > > pahele hi bechara > > > > akela khara darakhta tha , jise teesare se budh> > > ka terha dant > > > pahale > > > > hi dekh raha tha ki kab mauqa mile aur kab mein> > > var karon . aapne > > > > dono ko saath la diya. Guru ko budh kee qaid mein> > > baandh kar > > > bilkul > > > > maar denge aap . Kalaee{ budh } sone { jup } ko> > > kodh laga detee > > > > hai. Aur vese bhi guru to pahle se hi peedit hai ,> > > shatruon ki > > > nazar > > > > us par hai .> > > > > > > > [ 2 ] Yeh chakala wala upaya Lal Kitab ka to nahi> > > lagta , kam se > > > kam > > > > mujhe Lal Kitab mein nahi mila.> > > > patthar , lakri ya loha teeno shani ki aashiya> > > hain , is liye > > > > chakla chahe patthar ka ho ya kisi aur cheez ka > > > shani + mercury > > > kee > > > > aashiya hoga. Aap in grahon ko ek saath lakar > > > kis cheez ka > > > upaya > > > > kar rahe hain Kundali mein shani aur budh ek sath> > > to hain nahi , > > > > alag alag baithe hain. aur vese bhi budh+shani> > > kisi ke masnuee > > > grah > > > > bhi nahi hain.> > > > > > > > [ 3 ] makaan na vanavein , baat samajh mein aati> > > hai, shani 5 mein > > > > hai.> > > > > > > > Let there be no piecemeal upaya . Therefore> > > according to the Janma > > > > Kundali she needs the following upaya . She may> > > have to do them > > > every > > > > year.> > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Jupiter in the 11th : Feed 11 kanya {> > > young girls below 10 > > > > years } once a year. This is to get rid of the> > > zahar of budh from > > > the > > > > third house.> > > > > > > > [ 2 ] moon in the 8th : keep at home a little> > > water from a hand > > > pump > > > > or a well in cremation ground. The water should> > > not be from a > > > > municipal tap.> > > > > > > > [ 3 ] mercury in the 3rd : Feed the birds soaked> > > whole moong for > > > 43 > > > > days. The moong should be soaked a day before.> > > > > > > > [ 4 ] Saturn in 5th : Offer 10 whole almonds with> > > chhilka at any > > > > temple for five days regularly. Every day bring> > > back home five of > > > > these offered almonds and keep them at home tied> > > in a yellow cloth.> > > > > > > > [ 5 ] Rahu in 5th : Keep with you a small silver> > > elephant.> > > > > > > > [ 6 ] precaution for Mars in the 12th : She> > > should not keep at > > > home > > > > any rusted or blunt knife etc or a weapon.> > > > > > > > Now according to the varsha phal :> > > > > > > > [ 1 ] sun in the 7th : { grahasti ya arthik halat> > > par bura asar > > > > deekhe ya santaan par manda asar dekhe to } Bury> > > in the ground 7 > > > > small square pieces of copper at one time.> > > > > > > > [ 2 ] mars in the 4th : Throw in running water> > > some rewari { a > > > kind > > > > of sweet made of gur and til }> > > > > > > > sabhee gurujan ko naman,> > > > > > > > bhuwan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , "Mudit982001"> > > <mudit982001> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Harry ji,> > > > > 1.Aap apni sister ko kahen ki vah ek sone ka> > > challa bina jod ka > > > > > banvayen aur hare rang ke kagaj> > > (gudi(patang)vala) main lapet > > > kar > > > > > apne ghar main rakhen.> > > > > 2. Makan khud na banayen. > > > > > 3. ho sakta hey ki unke ghar main toota hua> > > chakla pada ho use > > > fenk > > > > > kar apne mayke se ek naya Chakla mangvayen.> > > > > en sab upayon ko karne ke bad kripya muze> > > batayen ki kya raha?> > > > > > > > mudit982001> > > > > lalkitab , "harry_bakshi"> > > <jassu1jat> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Hi All experts,> > > > > > > > > > > > Could any one from the LK EXPERT memberlist> > > can help my sister > > > as > > > > I > > > > > > know LK experts can help my sister achieving> > > her life goals, > > > > > > Please ......................> > > > > > > > > > > > Sahagal sahib Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also apperciate your concern about not to> > > take any > > > counselling > > > > > from > > > > > > non-established LK experts as it may hurt my> > > sister more. I > > > will > > > > > > take your advice on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please forgive me for my wording in last> > > message posting if it > > > > was > > > > > > too offensive.> > > > > > > > > > > > Great Respect,> > > > > > - Harry.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab ,> > > "rakeshsahgal" > > > > <rakeshsahgal> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Harry> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please dont take it ill as I am not being> > > rude.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri LK ke subject area mein paidaish jumaa> > > jumaa > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Let me add to the legend that Umesh Sharma IS. When I first contacted him he asked me to go look for a green colored bottle that contained or had contained an alcoholic beverage or perfume in my house. Simple lethargy or sheer bad luck I didn't listen to him. In any case when we started talking on the phone once again he asked me to do that. Like a fool I once again didn't listen to him. Finally I requested him to spare some time for me. This is even more revealing about Umesh Sharma the person- He is so humble, he said I will come to your house. I was the one in need and should have been going to meet him. But no, he drove all the way across Delhi to meet me. Then after we had our meal he said go look for the bottle. I did and found the damn thing. A green colored bottle of champagne that had been lieing empty for 8 bloody years simply because my wife found it appealing aesthetically. Then the story about the bed from in-laws. He looks at my chart and says you don't have a bed given to you by your in-laws. We sold the one my wife got from her folks simply because we found it not in accordance with our tastes and bought a new one. The list is endless. To see him at work is awe inspiring. He gives a chart one look and reels off all the malefics in it. His skill level and humility which he still retains inspite of his success, really do set him apart from the rest of Johnny come latellies who set out to mock his work . He is somebody we all should really look forward to learn from. This is not an advertisement for Umesh Sharma. He doesn't need me or this forum. He has reached the pinnacle of professional success. He is someone who is truly interested in furthering this knowledge in the general population. Observe him and to the extent possible emulate him. Regards R S lalkitab , ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > BHUWAN even i haven't read it any where.infact i am yet to start studying lalakitab, whatever knowledge i have is by interacting iwth people with u,reagrding chakla upaya let me share something, umesh came to chandigarh and i arranged a meeting of top astrologers of chandigarh to interact with him;he met first of them and without looking at his chart said u r in trouble because u didn't bring a bed from ur sasural n dowry. and many more symtoms to many of them unheard in lalkitab. it was there that he told a lady to look for a chakla in her house, she cheked and found it to be there; since the topic was fresh in the forum i asked for explanation and told that it is for ketu no.11. i don't know how he does but the way he tells about people's past, incidents occured and things in the house or even happenings in the neighbourhood is mindbogling, he told me that he does that in order to get TEWE KI ASAN DARUSTI as per lalkiab.u are also of the same calibre if u know any system within the > system of lalkitab wich reads such symptoms kindly share. i again clarify i wanted u to consult 1942 edition regarding kismat ka grah and not chakla and ketu no.11. > regards > kulbir > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > Respected Kulbir jee, > > " chaklewala upaya ketu 11 ke liye hota hai " . I donot have the urdu > editions of 1939 and 1942 , but I do have the Arun Sanhita version > for both these years. I did check out again Ketu in 11 [ 1939 ed , > arun sanhita page 256 and 1942 ed arun sanhita page 106 ] I am afraid > didn't find any mention of chakla or any upaya based on it. > > But since you have said it , I am prepared to accept. > > with regards,and naman to all gurujan > > bhuwan > > > > > lalkitab , ceeta bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > bhuwan, > > please include 1942 edition also in ur ciriculam and then comment > on kismat ka grah and prabhakar ji kyunki yeh topic aapne shuru kiya > hai ise detail mein explain aur lagu karna aappe choodta hoon aur > bhuwan ji chakle wala symptom aur upaya ketu no. 11 ke ilye hota > hai , umesh ji ne nabazbilkul thik pakdi thi, umesh ji aap khul ke > kyon nahin batate charcha se sabka bhala hoga, kuch ham bhuwan aur > prabhakar ji se sikhenge aur kuch yoh aapse. group ka yahi to faida > hai. > > kulbir > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > Respected Prabhakar jee, > > > > [ 1 ] 'kismat ka grah' is talked of in the context of mahadasha { > > page 143, LK 1952 ed} and {Arun sanhita page 43 }. Since we are not > > discussing mahadasha here , there would be no need for it. > > > > [ 2 ] Regarding the rahu in 5th upaya , apart from the one both you > > and I have suggested there are two more possible upaya. I suggested > > this upaya because it is the most convenient to do.Don't you think > > marrying all over again would be a bit too much to ask , when the > > same effect can be achieved by keeping a silver elephant. > > > > with regards and naman to all gurujan, > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar> > > wrote: > > > Respected Bhuwan Ji, > > > > > > I fuuly agree with your house wise remedies for > > > Harry's Sister. It shows how accurately and deeply > > > this chart is being studied. > > > > > > But, With all due respect I wish to ask a couple of > > > questions regarding your study of this Kundli. > > > > > > 1. Dont we are missing a vital most point in the > > > kundli ? That is; She has no planet in " Band Muthi ke > > > khane " (1-4-7-10). And it is often called a > > > Be-Buniyaad Kundli. Isnt it ? In this it is a somewhat > > > lengthy process to determine the " Qismat Ka Grah " . Did > > > you find this for her ? > > > > > > > > > > > > What measures you have taken in the light of that > > > siruation ? I cant find any. > > > > > > 2. For Rahu in 5th house your good self has > > > recommended to keep a silver elephant. That is the > > > classic and correct remedy. But Dont you think that > > > getting her remarried with her own spouse or its been > > > left purposely by some other reason ? I am still > > > wondering. > > > > > > I am sorry to bother you again, but this kundli > > > belongs to a " girl in trouble " , and her brother shown > > > a great respect for the forum. I think we should try > > > to study this chart from every possible angle. > > > > > > You have insisted to be called Priya instead of > > > Adarniya. Sir Kya Adarniya Priya nahin hote ? > > > > > > I would love to hear from you in this regard. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- harry_bakshi <jassu1jat> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Do we need to wait for more findings or just do what > > > > Bhuwan ji > > > > suggested? OR we need to wait for some more experts > > > > advise on my > > > > sister's horroscope? > > > > > > > > Please advise............ > > > > > > > > LK Experts can ask questions to me to confirm her > > > > horroscope the one > > > > you ask other members to remove SHANKAS before > > > > recommending any > > > > UPAYAS. I really want to follow this approach before > > > > asking my > > > > sister to perform UPAYAS recommended by LK Experts. > > > > > > > > Thanks Bhuwan Ji and Mudit Ji to start this > > > > discussion for her > > > > benefits. > > > > > > > > - Regards, > > > > Harry Bakshi > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhuwanvashishtha " > > > > <bhuwanvashishtha> wrote: > > > > > Respected Mudit jee, > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Aap ne pahala upaya bataya ki sone ka bina > > > > jod ka chhalla > > > > hare > > > > > kagaz mein lapet kar rakhen . aap jante hein ki > > > > iska kya parinam > > > > > hoga ? sone ko kodh lag jayega. Sona { jup } to > > > > pahele hi bechara > > > > > akela khara darakhta tha , jise teesare se budh > > > > ka terha dant > > > > pahale > > > > > hi dekh raha tha ki kab mauqa mile aur kab mein > > > > var karon . aapne > > > > > dono ko saath la diya. Guru ko budh kee qaid mein > > > > baandh kar > > > > bilkul > > > > > maar denge aap . Kalaee{ budh } sone { jup } ko > > > > kodh laga detee > > > > > hai. Aur vese bhi guru to pahle se hi peedit hai , > > > > shatruon ki > > > > nazar > > > > > us par hai . > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] Yeh chakala wala upaya Lal Kitab ka to nahi > > > > lagta , kam se > > > > kam > > > > > mujhe Lal Kitab mein nahi mila. > > > > > patthar , lakri ya loha teeno shani ki aashiya > > > > hain , is liye > > > > > chakla chahe patthar ka ho ya kisi aur cheez ka > > > > shani + mercury > > > > kee > > > > > aashiya hoga. Aap in grahon ko ek saath lakar > > > > kis cheez ka > > > > upaya > > > > > kar rahe hain Kundali mein shani aur budh ek sath > > > > to hain nahi , > > > > > alag alag baithe hain. aur vese bhi budh+shani > > > > kisi ke masnuee > > > > grah > > > > > bhi nahi hain. > > > > > > > > > > [ 3 ] makaan na vanavein , baat samajh mein aati > > > > hai, shani 5 mein > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > Let there be no piecemeal upaya . Therefore > > > > according to the Janma > > > > > Kundali she needs the following upaya . She may > > > > have to do them > > > > every > > > > > year. > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Jupiter in the 11th : Feed 11 kanya { > > > > young girls below 10 > > > > > years } once a year. This is to get rid of the > > > > zahar of budh from > > > > the > > > > > third house. > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] moon in the 8th : keep at home a little > > > > water from a hand > > > > pump > > > > > or a well in cremation ground. The water should > > > > not be from a > > > > > municipal tap. > > > > > > > > > > [ 3 ] mercury in the 3rd : Feed the birds soaked > > > > whole moong for > > > > 43 > > > > > days. The moong should be soaked a day before. > > > > > > > > > > [ 4 ] Saturn in 5th : Offer 10 whole almonds with > > > > chhilka at any > > > > > temple for five days regularly. Every day bring > > > > back home five of > > > > > these offered almonds and keep them at home tied > > > > in a yellow cloth. > > > > > > > > > > [ 5 ] Rahu in 5th : Keep with you a small silver > > > > elephant. > > > > > > > > > > [ 6 ] precaution for Mars in the 12th : She > > > > should not keep at > > > > home > > > > > any rusted or blunt knife etc or a weapon. > > > > > > > > > > Now according to the varsha phal : > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] sun in the 7th : { grahasti ya arthik halat > > > > par bura asar > > > > > deekhe ya santaan par manda asar dekhe to } Bury > > > > in the ground 7 > > > > > small square pieces of copper at one time. > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] mars in the 4th : Throw in running water > > > > some rewari { a > > > > kind > > > > > of sweet made of gur and til } > > > > > > > > > > sabhee gurujan ko naman, > > > > > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " Mudit982001 " > > > > <mudit982001> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Harry ji, > > > > > > 1.Aap apni sister ko kahen ki vah ek sone ka > > > > challa bina jod ka > > > > > > banvayen aur hare rang ke kagaj > > > > (gudi(patang)vala) main lapet > > > > kar > > > > > > apne ghar main rakhen. > > > > > > 2. Makan khud na banayen. > > > > > > 3. ho sakta hey ki unke ghar main toota hua > > > > chakla pada ho use > > > > fenk > > > > > > kar apne mayke se ek naya Chakla mangvayen. > > > > > > en sab upayon ko karne ke bad kripya muze > > > > batayen ki kya raha? > > > > > > > > > > mudit982001 > > > > > > lalkitab , " harry_bakshi " > > > > <jassu1jat> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All experts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could any one from the LK EXPERT memberlist > > > > can help my sister > > > > as > > > > > I > > > > > > > know LK experts can help my sister achieving > > > > her life goals, > > > > > > > Please ...................... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sahagal sahib Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also apperciate your concern about not to > > > > take any > > > > counselling > > > > > > from > > > > > > > non-established LK experts as it may hurt my > > > > sister more. I > > > > will > > > > > > > take your advice on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please forgive me for my wording in last > > > > message posting if it > > > > > was > > > > > > > too offensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great Respect, > > > > > > > - Harry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , > > > > " rakeshsahgal " > > > > > <rakeshsahgal> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Harry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please dont take it ill as I am not being > > > > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri LK ke subject area mein paidaish jumaa > > > > jumaa > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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