Moon in the 12th, 1,4,7,10 not occupied...

August 17, 2004

Dear Friends,

Rather than trying to cloud the issue, I'd like to share my personal experience regarding this combinations. I have the same combination as Sahgal sahib has - 1, 4, 7, 10 unoccupied and Moon in the 12th with no other full aspect. Both Pt Roop Chand Jee and Pt Som Dutt Jee have termed my Moon as "functional malefic" and true to its description, I've seen good as well as evil effects. I have, all through my life, seen the cyclical effects of Moon. I do very well for a few years and then it brings me financial ruins. The cycle repeats. Especially when Moon transacts through the 12th (annually) no remedial measure works for me. I brought this "rule" to Pt Som Dutt Jee's attention. He brushed my argument aside and asked me point blank, "What would you pick, theory or the actual halaat (happenings)?" He explained that each planet has dual personality. When he is happy, he brings you honors (A silver chair) and wealth and, when he is not

happy, he brings "sailaab - ruinous flood waters." No planet, however benefic, will give beneficial effects all life long and vice-versa for the malefic.

I met someone who migrated to the States about a dozen years ago, had the same combination (1,4,7,10 unoccupied, Moon in the 12th.) Did not have much education and was virtually penniless. I took a look at his horoscope and suggested him to keep a bottle of melted snow water. It worked like magic for him. He immediately got a job in an insurance company and is now a leading insurance agent. Has a fleet of luxury cars, house in a posh locality, numerous other properties and money is really "growing on trees" for him. But now has has got some other problems, which, in my opinion, makes all his money almost useless (and these are Moon related problems, other than money.) As is said, "har aanay walee ghaRee pichhlee ghaRee sey mandee hogee.." (future will get progressively bad..) I'd rather be without money than have the problems that he now has.

Our environment, the house we live in, the kind of things we establish in our house, the kind of things our immediate family (parents, brothers, sisters, children etc.) establish or do -- all have a definite effect on our destiny. The "rules" of the grammar can take us just so far, the rest is our "karma" which we must face. It is a part of OUR karma when someone in our household/family does evil things, things that are characteristic of the maleficity of a planet/s. Somehow or the other, the Nature has to erect a barrier in front of us. We can try to reduce the ill effects via the remedial measures, can't eliminate them altogether. As the saying goes, "you will be had one way or the other" or, "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch ( The TANSTAAFL rule.) Even the planetary gods know these Western rules!

Incidentally, keeping of dry dates (chhuhara) in the vehicle is a general remedial measure that missed the 1952 edition. Not going into the theory, which has been very ably discussed by many especially Bhuwan Jee, this is a general remedial measure given to everyone. Similarly, the chhuharas should also be kept in your locker or where you keep your money/jewelery/khazaanaa.

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

August 17, 2004

Respected Bhatia Sahib,

Namaskar

Thank you for such a detailed and exhaustive explanation. The only

mistake i made in describing my chart was I have Sun & Jup in Khsana

#1.

However since the focus here was if Moon is not in Centric houses and

#4 is empty what is the nature of Moon, in that context your

explanation has been most exhaustive and educative.

Given that I have experienced circumstances akin to yours, atleast

there is some explanation which explains the whole thing.

I know I am repeating myself here, but thank you sir once again.

Respectfully

R S

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> Rather than trying to cloud the issue, I'd like to share my personal

experience regarding this combinations. I have the same combination as

Sahgal sahib has - 1, 4, 7, 10 unoccupied and Moon in the 12th with no

other full aspect. Both Pt Roop Chand Jee and Pt Som Dutt Jee have

termed my Moon as " functional malefic " and true to its description,

I've seen good as well as evil effects. I have, all through my life,

seen the cyclical effects of Moon. I do very well for a few years and

then it brings me financial ruins. The cycle repeats. Especially when

Moon transacts through the 12th (annually) no remedial measure works

for me. I brought this " rule " to Pt Som Dutt Jee's attention. He

brushed my argument aside and asked me point blank, " What would you

pick, theory or the actual halaat (happenings)? " He explained that

each planet has dual personality. When he is happy, he brings you

honors (A silver chair) and wealth and, when he is not happy, he

brings " sailaab - ruinous flood waters. "

> No planet, however benefic, will give beneficial effects all life

long and vice-versa for the malefic.

> I met someone who migrated to the States about a dozen years ago,

had the same combination (1,4,7,10 unoccupied, Moon in the 12th.) Did

not have much education and was virtually penniless. I took a look at

his horoscope and suggested him to keep a bottle of melted snow water.

It worked like magic for him. He immediately got a job in an insurance

company and is now a leading insurance agent. Has a fleet of luxury

cars, house in a posh locality, numerous other properties and money is

really " growing on trees " for him. But now has has got some other

problems, which, in my opinion, makes all his money almost useless

(and these are Moon related problems, other than money.) As is said,

" har aanay walee ghaRee pichhlee ghaRee sey mandee hogee.. " (future

will get progressively bad..) I'd rather be without money than have

the problems that he now has.

> Our environment, the house we live in, the kind of things we

establish in our house, the kind of things our immediate family

(parents, brothers, sisters, children etc.) establish or do -- all

have a definite effect on our destiny. The " rules " of the grammar can

take us just so far, the rest is our " karma " which we must face. It is

a part of OUR karma when someone in our household/family does evil

things, things that are characteristic of the maleficity of a

planet/s. Somehow or the other, the Nature has to erect a barrier in

front of us. We can try to reduce the ill effects via the remedial

measures, can't eliminate them altogether. As the saying goes, " you

will be had one way or the other " or, " There ain't no such thing as a

free lunch ( The TANSTAAFL rule.) Even the planetary gods know these

Western rules!

>

> Incidentally, keeping of dry dates (chhuhara) in the vehicle is a

general remedial measure that missed the 1952 edition. Not going into

the theory, which has been very ably discussed by many especially

Bhuwan Jee, this is a general remedial measure given to everyone.

Similarly, the chhuharas should also be kept in your locker or where

you keep your money/jewelery/khazaanaa.

> Respectfully,

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

August 18, 2004

Respected Bhatia Ji,

You mentioned that keeping of dry dates (chhuarey) in a car and

locker is a general remedial measure for everyone. Please also tell

us how they have to be kept - i.e. wrapped in cloth/paper

bag/plastic bag; any specific color of cloth/bag etc. Would greatly

appreciate your advise on this.

Best regards,

Dheeraj.

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> Rather than trying to cloud the issue, I'd like to share my

personal experience regarding this combinations. I have the same

combination as Sahgal sahib has - 1, 4, 7, 10 unoccupied and Moon in

the 12th with no other full aspect. Both Pt Roop Chand Jee and Pt

Som Dutt Jee have termed my Moon as " functional malefic " and true to

its description, I've seen good as well as evil effects. I have, all

through my life, seen the cyclical effects of Moon. I do very well

for a few years and then it brings me financial ruins. The cycle

repeats. Especially when Moon transacts through the 12th (annually)

no remedial measure works for me. I brought this " rule " to Pt Som

Dutt Jee's attention. He brushed my argument aside and asked me

point blank, " What would you pick, theory or the actual halaat

(happenings)? " He explained that each planet has dual personality.

When he is happy, he brings you honors (A silver chair) and wealth

and, when he is not happy, he brings " sailaab - ruinous flood

waters. "

> No planet, however benefic, will give beneficial effects all life

long and vice-versa for the malefic.

> I met someone who migrated to the States about a dozen years ago,

had the same combination (1,4,7,10 unoccupied, Moon in the 12th.)

Did not have much education and was virtually penniless. I took a

look at his horoscope and suggested him to keep a bottle of melted

snow water. It worked like magic for him. He immediately got a job

in an insurance company and is now a leading insurance agent. Has a

fleet of luxury cars, house in a posh locality, numerous other

properties and money is really " growing on trees " for him. But now

has has got some other problems, which, in my opinion, makes all

his money almost useless (and these are Moon related problems, other

than money.) As is said, " har aanay walee ghaRee pichhlee ghaRee

sey mandee hogee.. " (future will get progressively bad..) I'd

rather be without money than have the problems that he now has.

> Our environment, the house we live in, the kind of things we

establish in our house, the kind of things our immediate family

(parents, brothers, sisters, children etc.) establish or do -- all

have a definite effect on our destiny. The " rules " of the grammar

can take us just so far, the rest is our " karma " which we must face.

It is a part of OUR karma when someone in our household/family does

evil things, things that are characteristic of the maleficity of a

planet/s. Somehow or the other, the Nature has to erect a barrier in

front of us. We can try to reduce the ill effects via the remedial

measures, can't eliminate them altogether. As the saying goes, " you

will be had one way or the other " or, " There ain't no such thing as

a free lunch ( The TANSTAAFL rule.) Even the planetary gods know

these Western rules!

>

> Incidentally, keeping of dry dates (chhuhara) in the vehicle is a

general remedial measure that missed the 1952 edition. Not going

into the theory, which has been very ably discussed by many

especially Bhuwan Jee, this is a general remedial measure given to

everyone. Similarly, the chhuharas should also be kept in your

locker or where you keep your money/jewelery/khazaanaa.

> Respectfully,

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

August 18, 2004

Dheeraj Ji

FWIW I was advised to keep them wrapped in a piece of red cloth.

HTH.

Regards

R S

lalkitab , " dheerajpopli " <dheerajpopli> wrote:

> Respected Bhatia Ji,

>

> You mentioned that keeping of dry dates (chhuarey) in a car and

> locker is a general remedial measure for everyone. Please also tell

> us how they have to be kept - i.e. wrapped in cloth/paper

> bag/plastic bag; any specific color of cloth/bag etc. Would greatly

> appreciate your advise on this.

>

> Best regards,

> Dheeraj.

>

> lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

> <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> > Rather than trying to cloud the issue, I'd like to share my

> personal experience regarding this combinations. I have the same

> combination as Sahgal sahib has - 1, 4, 7, 10 unoccupied and Moon in

> the 12th with no other full aspect. Both Pt Roop Chand Jee and Pt

> Som Dutt Jee have termed my Moon as " functional malefic " and true to

> its description, I've seen good as well as evil effects. I have, all

> through my life, seen the cyclical effects of Moon. I do very well

> for a few years and then it brings me financial ruins. The cycle

> repeats. Especially when Moon transacts through the 12th (annually)

> no remedial measure works for me. I brought this " rule " to Pt Som

> Dutt Jee's attention. He brushed my argument aside and asked me

> point blank, " What would you pick, theory or the actual halaat

> (happenings)? " He explained that each planet has dual personality.

> When he is happy, he brings you honors (A silver chair) and wealth

> and, when he is not happy, he brings " sailaab - ruinous flood

> waters. "

> > No planet, however benefic, will give beneficial effects all life

> long and vice-versa for the malefic.

> > I met someone who migrated to the States about a dozen years ago,

> had the same combination (1,4,7,10 unoccupied, Moon in the 12th.)

> Did not have much education and was virtually penniless. I took a

> look at his horoscope and suggested him to keep a bottle of melted

> snow water. It worked like magic for him. He immediately got a job

> in an insurance company and is now a leading insurance agent. Has a

> fleet of luxury cars, house in a posh locality, numerous other

> properties and money is really " growing on trees " for him. But now

> has has got some other problems, which, in my opinion, makes all

> his money almost useless (and these are Moon related problems, other

> than money.) As is said, " har aanay walee ghaRee pichhlee ghaRee

> sey mandee hogee.. " (future will get progressively bad..) I'd

> rather be without money than have the problems that he now has.

> > Our environment, the house we live in, the kind of things we

> establish in our house, the kind of things our immediate family

> (parents, brothers, sisters, children etc.) establish or do -- all

> have a definite effect on our destiny. The " rules " of the grammar

> can take us just so far, the rest is our " karma " which we must face.

> It is a part of OUR karma when someone in our household/family does

> evil things, things that are characteristic of the maleficity of a

> planet/s. Somehow or the other, the Nature has to erect a barrier in

> front of us. We can try to reduce the ill effects via the remedial

> measures, can't eliminate them altogether. As the saying goes, " you

> will be had one way or the other " or, " There ain't no such thing as

> a free lunch ( The TANSTAAFL rule.) Even the planetary gods know

> these Western rules!

> >

> > Incidentally, keeping of dry dates (chhuhara) in the vehicle is a

> general remedial measure that missed the 1952 edition. Not going

> into the theory, which has been very ably discussed by many

> especially Bhuwan Jee, this is a general remedial measure given to

> everyone. Similarly, the chhuharas should also be kept in your

> locker or where you keep your money/jewelery/khazaanaa.

> > Respectfully,

> > Rajinder Bhatia

> >

August 19, 2004

Is this remedy for everyone please advise.

Thank you for all your help.

Harritdheerajpopli <dheerajpopli wrote:

Respected Bhatia Ji,You mentioned that keeping of dry dates (chhuarey) in a car and locker is a general remedial measure for everyone. Please also tell us how they have to be kept - i.e. wrapped in cloth/paper bag/plastic bag; any specific color of cloth/bag etc. Would greatly appreciate your advise on this.Best regards,Dheeraj.lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> Dear Friends,> Rather than trying to cloud the issue, I'd like to share my personal experience regarding this combinations. I have the same combination as Sahgal sahib has - 1, 4, 7, 10 unoccupied and Moon in the 12th with no other full aspect. Both Pt Roop Chand Jee and Pt Som Dutt Jee have termed my Moon as "functional malefic" and true to its description, I've seen good as

well as evil effects. I have, all through my life, seen the cyclical effects of Moon. I do very well for a few years and then it brings me financial ruins. The cycle repeats. Especially when Moon transacts through the 12th (annually) no remedial measure works for me. I brought this "rule" to Pt Som Dutt Jee's attention. He brushed my argument aside and asked me point blank, "What would you pick, theory or the actual halaat (happenings)?" He explained that each planet has dual personality. When he is happy, he brings you honors (A silver chair) and wealth and, when he is not happy, he brings "sailaab - ruinous flood waters."> No planet, however benefic, will give beneficial effects all life long and vice-versa for the malefic. > I met someone who migrated to the States about a dozen years ago, had the same combination (1,4,7,10 unoccupied, Moon in the 12th.) Did not have much education and was

virtually penniless. I took a look at his horoscope and suggested him to keep a bottle of melted snow water. It worked like magic for him. He immediately got a job in an insurance company and is now a leading insurance agent. Has a fleet of luxury cars, house in a posh locality, numerous other properties and money is really "growing on trees" for him. But now has has got some other problems, which, in my opinion, makes all his money almost useless (and these are Moon related problems, other than money.) As is said, "har aanay walee ghaRee pichhlee ghaRee sey mandee hogee.." (future will get progressively bad..) I'd rather be without money than have the problems that he now has.> Our environment, the house we live in, the kind of things we establish in our house, the kind of things our immediate family (parents, brothers, sisters, children etc.) establish or do -- all have a definite effect on our destiny.

The "rules" of the grammar can take us just so far, the rest is our "karma" which we must face. It is a part of OUR karma when someone in our household/family does evil things, things that are characteristic of the maleficity of a planet/s. Somehow or the other, the Nature has to erect a barrier in front of us. We can try to reduce the ill effects via the remedial measures, can't eliminate them altogether. As the saying goes, "you will be had one way or the other" or, "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch ( The TANSTAAFL rule.) Even the planetary gods know these Western rules!> > Incidentally, keeping of dry dates (chhuhara) in the vehicle is a general remedial measure that missed the 1952 edition. Not going into the theory, which has been very ably discussed by many especially Bhuwan Jee, this is a general remedial measure given to everyone. Similarly, the chhuharas should also be kept in your

locker or where you keep your money/jewelery/khazaanaa.> Respectfully,> Rajinder Bhatia> > > > > >