Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Dear Rakesh, Sure, I'd love to join you. I am not quite familiar with the Lal Kitab , still a beginner,but I am not bad at Vedic astrology. Shall we begin with the verification questions ? In vedic system such questions are asked only if the 'lagna' is either a borderline case , or the 'lagna' is not known at all. But as I see here , the questions are asked as a matter of routine. How do the answers influence the analysis is never shared. However, I am framing a few questions based on my knowledge of Vedic system. You could add a few based on your Lal Kitab experience , and lets see what meal we make out of it. Verification questions for Harish , based on Vedic astrology system: Sun : Are you the only son ? During this year , did you fight any election and lose ? Did some one you trusted , betray you this year? Moon: Has your education been ever disrupted ? Didn't have a education. Mars : Have you ever had the throat problem or problems of the stomach ? You might have sisters but no brother. Have your hair started thinning at the top of your head? Jupiter : Do you have any speech defect? Did either your father or grandfather suffer from asthma? Saturn : Do you live in a house situated at a blind alley? have you ever had any liver problem? Or did you ever have to undergo an operation? Rahu : The day you were born , was it a day when it rained? Were you born at your Nana's house? Or if born at your's , was either Nana or Nani present there? Did your father have some problem this year, problem of health or financial? Have you got a black 'til' on your face? Hope to continue the exercise, with love, priya lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > Priya Jee > > Want to try the DIY method? > > I am inviting you and anyone else who is interested to join me in > analysing the details for the horoscope posted right now by > StudentIndia aka Harish. We can ask Khattar Sahib to be the team > leader and guide us in practical application of the methodology for > fixing the ascendant. > > Needless to add we might end up making absolute fools of ourselves but > hopefully Khattar sahib will stop us from doing that and point us in > the right direction. Agreed Rajeev jee? > > Regards > > > R S > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> > wrote: > > Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan, > > > > Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am grateful for both > of > > you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee ji too > would > > listen to my request of mentioning the name of the planets when > > asking verification questions. > > > > sincerely, > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Bhuwan Ji > > > Thanks for your prompt contribution. > > > Regards > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > - > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > > > <lalkitab > > > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM > > > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > Respected Priya di, > > > > > > > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : > > > > > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a > > `mushtariqa > > > object of Saturn and moon'. > > > > > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki tarah > > > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez " { page > > > 840, 1952 ed } > > > > > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. > > > > > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined Saturn + > > > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these lines: > > > > > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein bahata > makan > > > hoga " when acting manda. > > > > > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to and > > where > > > a floating house on a river would anchor at. > > > > > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { arun > > sanhita > > > 39 ed page 312 } > > > > > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya lohe ki > > > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani ya > > chandra > > > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par maut ka > > > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani sanjha hone > > par > > > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah syah > > munh > > > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va chhota > > > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra khana 2 } > > > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / shani ke > > makan > > > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " > > > > > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if it > > might > > > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two planets. > > The > > > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' are > > > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land . > There > > > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh maya' and > > > ` > > > dukh ka nateeja'. > > > > > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to take > care > > of > > > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki vahami > > > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar > > hoga ....ghar > > > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki thali > > mein > > > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na hon > > varna > > > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki aashiya > us > > > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} > > > > > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn }is > > advised > > > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , otherwise > > > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka upaya' is > > > suggested. > > > > > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when driving > it > > > home for the first time. The explanation is simple. > > > > > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in order > to > > > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should carry a > pup > > > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do range > > janwaron > > > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a few people > > have > > > a toy pup kept in their cars. > > > > > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic of > > this > > > Lal Kitab upaya. > > > With regards and naman to gurujan, > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > > > > Dear members > > > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents combination of > > > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination is > > > responsible for accidents/operations. > > > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( did't > > write > > > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some > lalkitabist > > > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates in > > > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be > > > effective against accidents/mishaps. > > > > > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on hearing > > about > > > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my > > scooter's > > > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for > not > > > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out and > got > > > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning only..no > > > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my any > > of > > > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of God ). > > > > > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as a > > > general remedy for everybody but for people with specific > > > astrological combination only. > > > > > > > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > > > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > Dear experts, > > > > > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still > > unanswered > > > > > as > > > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? Its > > > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer that > > please? > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 correction, Ooooops , my bad, moon: should read 'didn't have a smooth education' lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> wrote: > Dear Rakesh, > > Sure, I'd love to join you. I am not quite familiar with the Lal > Kitab , still a beginner,but I am not bad at Vedic astrology. Shall > we begin with the verification questions ? In vedic system such > questions are asked only if the 'lagna' is either a borderline case , > or the 'lagna' is not known at all. But as I see here , the questions > are asked as a matter of routine. How do the answers influence the > analysis is never shared. > > However, I am framing a few questions based on my knowledge of Vedic > system. You could add a few based on your Lal Kitab experience , and > lets see what meal we make out of it. > > Verification questions for Harish , based on Vedic astrology system: > > Sun : Are you the only son ? > During this year , did you fight any election and lose ? > Did some one you trusted , betray you this year? > > Moon: Has your education been ever disrupted ? Didn't have a > education. > > Mars : Have you ever had the throat problem or problems of the > stomach ? You might have sisters but no brother. Have > your hair started thinning at the top of your head? > > Jupiter : Do you have any speech defect? Did either your father > or grandfather suffer from asthma? > > Saturn : Do you live in a house situated at a blind alley? > have you ever had any liver problem? Or did you > ever have to undergo an operation? > > Rahu : The day you were born , was it a day when it rained? > Were you born at your Nana's house? Or if born at > your's , was either Nana or Nani present there? > Did your father have some problem this year, problem > of health or financial? Have you got a black 'til' > on your face? > > > Hope to continue the exercise, > > with love, > > priya > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > Priya Jee > > > > Want to try the DIY method? > > > > I am inviting you and anyone else who is interested to join me in > > analysing the details for the horoscope posted right now by > > StudentIndia aka Harish. We can ask Khattar Sahib to be the team > > leader and guide us in practical application of the methodology for > > fixing the ascendant. > > > > Needless to add we might end up making absolute fools of ourselves > but > > hopefully Khattar sahib will stop us from doing that and point us in > > the right direction. Agreed Rajeev jee? > > > > Regards > > > > > > R S > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > <bhooshanpriya> > > wrote: > > > Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan, > > > > > > Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am grateful for both > > of > > > you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee ji too > > would > > > listen to my request of mentioning the name of the planets when > > > asking verification questions. > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhuwan Ji > > > > Thanks for your prompt contribution. > > > > Regards > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM > > > > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Priya di, > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : > > > > > > > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a > > > `mushtariqa > > > > object of Saturn and moon'. > > > > > > > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki > tarah > > > > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez " { > page > > > > 840, 1952 ed } > > > > > > > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. > > > > > > > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined Saturn > + > > > > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these lines: > > > > > > > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein bahata > > makan > > > > hoga " when acting manda. > > > > > > > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to and > > > where > > > > a floating house on a river would anchor at. > > > > > > > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { arun > > > sanhita > > > > 39 ed page 312 } > > > > > > > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya lohe > ki > > > > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani ya > > > chandra > > > > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par maut > ka > > > > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani sanjha > hone > > > par > > > > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah > syah > > > munh > > > > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va chhota > > > > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra khana > 2 } > > > > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / shani ke > > > makan > > > > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " > > > > > > > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if it > > > might > > > > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two > planets. > > > The > > > > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' are > > > > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land . > > There > > > > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh maya' > and > > > > > ` > > > > dukh ka nateeja'. > > > > > > > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to take > > care > > > of > > > > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki > vahami > > > > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar > > > hoga ....ghar > > > > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki thali > > > mein > > > > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na hon > > > varna > > > > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki aashiya > > us > > > > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} > > > > > > > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn }is > > > advised > > > > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , otherwise > > > > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka upaya' > is > > > > suggested. > > > > > > > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when driving > > it > > > > home for the first time. The explanation is simple. > > > > > > > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in order > > to > > > > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should carry a > > pup > > > > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do range > > > janwaron > > > > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a few > people > > > have > > > > a toy pup kept in their cars. > > > > > > > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic of > > > this > > > > Lal Kitab upaya. > > > > With regards and naman to gurujan, > > > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > > > > > Dear members > > > > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents combination > of > > > > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination is > > > > responsible for accidents/operations. > > > > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( did't > > > write > > > > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some > > lalkitabist > > > > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates > in > > > > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be > > > > effective against accidents/mishaps. > > > > > > > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on hearing > > > about > > > > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my > > > scooter's > > > > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for > > not > > > > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out and > > got > > > > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning > only..no > > > > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my > any > > > of > > > > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of God ). > > > > > > > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as a > > > > general remedy for everybody but for people with specific > > > > astrological combination only. > > > > > > > > > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > > > > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > Dear experts, > > > > > > > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still > > > unanswered > > > > > > as > > > > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? Its > > > > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer that > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Dear Priya Ji when u r in rome, do as romans do. You are in lalkitab forum and trying to see horoscope from vedic system !!.You will not gain lalkitab's knowledge by checking horoscope from vedic point of view.Kindly go through previous messages,seniors have written not to mix the two systems..never. open lalkitab or arun samhita and then start checking each n every planet from that book..then ask the questions. wishing you good luck...always Rajeev K Khattar - bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya <lalkitab > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:42 AM [lalkitab] Re: DIY... sure , lets give it a try > > correction, > > Ooooops , my bad, > moon: should read 'didn't have a smooth education' > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> > wrote: > > Dear Rakesh, > > > > Sure, I'd love to join you. I am not quite familiar with the Lal > > Kitab , still a beginner,but I am not bad at Vedic astrology. Shall > > we begin with the verification questions ? In vedic system such > > questions are asked only if the 'lagna' is either a borderline > case , > > or the 'lagna' is not known at all. But as I see here , the > questions > > are asked as a matter of routine. How do the answers influence the > > analysis is never shared. > > > > However, I am framing a few questions based on my knowledge of > Vedic > > system. You could add a few based on your Lal Kitab experience , > and > > lets see what meal we make out of it. > > > > Verification questions for Harish , based on Vedic astrology system: > > > > Sun : Are you the only son ? > > During this year , did you fight any election and lose ? > > Did some one you trusted , betray you this year? > > > > Moon: Has your education been ever disrupted ? Didn't have a > > education. > > > > Mars : Have you ever had the throat problem or problems of the > > stomach ? You might have sisters but no brother. Have > > your hair started thinning at the top of your head? > > > > Jupiter : Do you have any speech defect? Did either your father > > or grandfather suffer from asthma? > > > > Saturn : Do you live in a house situated at a blind alley? > > have you ever had any liver problem? Or did you > > ever have to undergo an operation? > > > > Rahu : The day you were born , was it a day when it rained? > > Were you born at your Nana's house? Or if born at > > your's , was either Nana or Nani present there? > > Did your father have some problem this year, problem > > of health or financial? Have you got a black 'til' > > on your face? > > > > > > Hope to continue the exercise, > > > > with love, > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > > wrote: > > > Priya Jee > > > > > > Want to try the DIY method? > > > > > > I am inviting you and anyone else who is interested to join me in > > > analysing the details for the horoscope posted right now by > > > StudentIndia aka Harish. We can ask Khattar Sahib to be the team > > > leader and guide us in practical application of the methodology > for > > > fixing the ascendant. > > > > > > Needless to add we might end up making absolute fools of > ourselves > > but > > > hopefully Khattar sahib will stop us from doing that and point us > in > > > the right direction. Agreed Rajeev jee? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > <bhooshanpriya> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan, > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am grateful for > both > > > of > > > > you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee ji too > > > would > > > > listen to my request of mentioning the name of the planets when > > > > asking verification questions. > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar > <lalkitab@v...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Bhuwan Ji > > > > > Thanks for your prompt contribution. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM > > > > > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Priya di, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : > > > > > > > > > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a > > > > `mushtariqa > > > > > object of Saturn and moon'. > > > > > > > > > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki > > tarah > > > > > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez " > > page > > > > > 840, 1952 ed } > > > > > > > > > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. > > > > > > > > > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined > Saturn > > + > > > > > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these > lines: > > > > > > > > > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein bahata > > > makan > > > > > hoga " when acting manda. > > > > > > > > > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to > and > > > > where > > > > > a floating house on a river would anchor at. > > > > > > > > > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { arun > > > > sanhita > > > > > 39 ed page 312 } > > > > > > > > > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya lohe > > ki > > > > > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani ya > > > > chandra > > > > > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par > maut > > ka > > > > > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani sanjha > > hone > > > > par > > > > > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah > > syah > > > > munh > > > > > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va > chhota > > > > > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra khana > > 2 } > > > > > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / shani > ke > > > > makan > > > > > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " > > > > > > > > > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if > it > > > > might > > > > > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two > > planets. > > > > The > > > > > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' are > > > > > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land . > > > There > > > > > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh maya' > > and > > > > > > > ` > > > > > dukh ka nateeja'. > > > > > > > > > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to take > > > care > > > > of > > > > > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki > > vahami > > > > > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar > > > > hoga ....ghar > > > > > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki > thali > > > > mein > > > > > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na > hon > > > > varna > > > > > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki > aashiya > > > us > > > > > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} > > > > > > > > > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn }is > > > > advised > > > > > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , > otherwise > > > > > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka > upaya' > > is > > > > > suggested. > > > > > > > > > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when > driving > > > it > > > > > home for the first time. The explanation is simple. > > > > > > > > > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in > order > > > to > > > > > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should carry a > > > pup > > > > > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do range > > > > janwaron > > > > > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a few > > people > > > > have > > > > > a toy pup kept in their cars. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic > of > > > > this > > > > > Lal Kitab upaya. > > > > > With regards and naman to gurujan, > > > > > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > > > > > > Dear members > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents > combination > > of > > > > > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination > is > > > > > responsible for accidents/operations. > > > > > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told > did't > > > > write > > > > > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some > > > lalkitabist > > > > > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates > > in > > > > > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be > > > > > effective against accidents/mishaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on > hearing > > > > about > > > > > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my > > > > scooter's > > > > > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for > > > not > > > > > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out > and > > > got > > > > > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning > > only..no > > > > > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my > > any > > > > of > > > > > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of > God ). > > > > > > > > > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as > a > > > > > general remedy for everybody but for people with specific > > > > > astrological combination only. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > > > > > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear experts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still > > > > unanswered > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? > Its > > > > > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer > that > > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Hello LalKitab Experts, First of all, I regret of having asked about my future. I was being very mean. But... I was in really lot of tension and so I could not resist myself asking such question. I shall never do it again, rather I shall learn slowly in future and make my own analysis. However, I was shocked by the response of my question.Thankyou Dear member experts. Some verification questions I would like to answer regarding me, 1. I am the only son with an elder sister. 2. I did not contest in any election 3. None of my friend betrayed me. 4. My education was not dsrupted, but, it is not going very well as it used to be 3 yrs ago. 5. No stomach/throat problems. But.. yes my hair is thinning slowly. 6. No speech defect. No asthma. 7. No operation. Had a blood disease at age of 5. Had a small operation at that age. 8. It rained HEAVILY. Infact it was a FLOOD. I was born at my NANA/NANI place. No black " till " on my face. Thank you. Harish lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> wrote: > Dear Rakesh, > > Sure, I'd love to join you. I am not quite familiar with the Lal > Kitab , still a beginner,but I am not bad at Vedic astrology. Shall > we begin with the verification questions ? In vedic system such > questions are asked only if the 'lagna' is either a borderline case , > or the 'lagna' is not known at all. But as I see here , the questions > are asked as a matter of routine. How do the answers influence the > analysis is never shared. > > However, I am framing a few questions based on my knowledge of Vedic > system. You could add a few based on your Lal Kitab experience , and > lets see what meal we make out of it. > > Verification questions for Harish , based on Vedic astrology system: > > Sun : Are you the only son ? > During this year , did you fight any election and lose ? > Did some one you trusted , betray you this year? > > Moon: Has your education been ever disrupted ? Didn't have a > education. > > Mars : Have you ever had the throat problem or problems of the > stomach ? You might have sisters but no brother. Have > your hair started thinning at the top of your head? > > Jupiter : Do you have any speech defect? Did either your father > or grandfather suffer from asthma? > > Saturn : Do you live in a house situated at a blind alley? > have you ever had any liver problem? Or did you > ever have to undergo an operation? > > Rahu : The day you were born , was it a day when it rained? > Were you born at your Nana's house? Or if born at > your's , was either Nana or Nani present there? > Did your father have some problem this year, problem > of health or financial? Have you got a black 'til' > on your face? > > > Hope to continue the exercise, > > with love, > > priya > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > Priya Jee > > > > Want to try the DIY method? > > > > I am inviting you and anyone else who is interested to join me in > > analysing the details for the horoscope posted right now by > > StudentIndia aka Harish. We can ask Khattar Sahib to be the team > > leader and guide us in practical application of the methodology for > > fixing the ascendant. > > > > Needless to add we might end up making absolute fools of ourselves > but > > hopefully Khattar sahib will stop us from doing that and point us in > > the right direction. Agreed Rajeev jee? > > > > Regards > > > > > > R S > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > <bhooshanpriya> > > wrote: > > > Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan, > > > > > > Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am grateful for both > > of > > > you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee ji too > > would > > > listen to my request of mentioning the name of the planets when > > > asking verification questions. > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhuwan Ji > > > > Thanks for your prompt contribution. > > > > Regards > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM > > > > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Priya di, > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : > > > > > > > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a > > > `mushtariqa > > > > object of Saturn and moon'. > > > > > > > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki > tarah > > > > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez " { > page > > > > 840, 1952 ed } > > > > > > > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. > > > > > > > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined Saturn > + > > > > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these lines: > > > > > > > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein bahata > > makan > > > > hoga " when acting manda. > > > > > > > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to and > > > where > > > > a floating house on a river would anchor at. > > > > > > > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { arun > > > sanhita > > > > 39 ed page 312 } > > > > > > > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya lohe > ki > > > > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani ya > > > chandra > > > > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par maut > ka > > > > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani sanjha > hone > > > par > > > > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah > syah > > > munh > > > > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va chhota > > > > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra khana > 2 } > > > > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / shani ke > > > makan > > > > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " > > > > > > > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if it > > > might > > > > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two > planets. > > > The > > > > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' are > > > > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land . > > There > > > > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh maya' > and > > > > > ` > > > > dukh ka nateeja'. > > > > > > > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to take > > care > > > of > > > > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki > vahami > > > > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar > > > hoga ....ghar > > > > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki thali > > > mein > > > > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na hon > > > varna > > > > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki aashiya > > us > > > > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} > > > > > > > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn }is > > > advised > > > > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , otherwise > > > > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka upaya' > is > > > > suggested. > > > > > > > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when driving > > it > > > > home for the first time. The explanation is simple. > > > > > > > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in order > > to > > > > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should carry a > > pup > > > > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do range > > > janwaron > > > > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a few > people > > > have > > > > a toy pup kept in their cars. > > > > > > > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic of > > > this > > > > Lal Kitab upaya. > > > > With regards and naman to gurujan, > > > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > > > > > Dear members > > > > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents combination > of > > > > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination is > > > > responsible for accidents/operations. > > > > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( did't > > > write > > > > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some > > lalkitabist > > > > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates > in > > > > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be > > > > effective against accidents/mishaps. > > > > > > > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on hearing > > > about > > > > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my > > > scooter's > > > > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for > > not > > > > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out and > > got > > > > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning > only..no > > > > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my > any > > > of > > > > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of God ). > > > > > > > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as a > > > > general remedy for everybody but for people with specific > > > > astrological combination only. > > > > > > > > > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > > > > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > Dear experts, > > > > > > > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still > > > unanswered > > > > > > as > > > > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? Its > > > > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer that > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Priya Ji Essentially the purpose is the same as in the vedic system if I am not mistaken, rectification/fixing of the ascendant/lagna. True blue Lal Kitabists do it as matter of habit, as you would have observed. I further suspect the methodology is the same. This is the reason I requested you to join me, as a I am a big ZERO insofar as rectification goes. The other purpose could be to ascertain if a particular planet is having a malefic / benefic impact currently, though this is something that seems less probable. Khattar Sahib has posted the chart recast per LK, let us pick up from there shall we? NATAL ----- rahu in 1 ketu + jup in 7 mar+mer+ven in 4 sun in 5 sat in 6 mon in 11 ==>Q: Ever been in any trouble with the authorities? Reason: Rahu in Khaana #1 eclipses Sun wherever it is. Sun in Khaana #5(Pucca ghar of Jup.........if I am not forgetting my lessons Jup represents Royal power and Sun the authority of the state (they would seem to be the same to me) as I think Bhuwan also mentioned when he analysed Kublir's tewaa) Let's see what the experts think of the rationale. If the rationale/reasoning is incorrect then the question I have asked is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. If the rationale is correct then we need to draw upon your expertise in rectification to take this further. Regards R S lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> wrote: > correction, > > Ooooops , my bad, > moon: should read 'didn't have a smooth education' > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> > wrote: > > Dear Rakesh, > > > > Sure, I'd love to join you. I am not quite familiar with the Lal > > Kitab , still a beginner,but I am not bad at Vedic astrology. Shall > > we begin with the verification questions ? In vedic system such > > questions are asked only if the 'lagna' is either a borderline > case , > > or the 'lagna' is not known at all. But as I see here , the > questions > > are asked as a matter of routine. How do the answers influence the > > analysis is never shared. > > > > However, I am framing a few questions based on my knowledge of > Vedic > > system. You could add a few based on your Lal Kitab experience , > and > > lets see what meal we make out of it. > > > > Verification questions for Harish , based on Vedic astrology system: > > > > Sun : Are you the only son ? > > During this year , did you fight any election and lose ? > > Did some one you trusted , betray you this year? > > > > Moon: Has your education been ever disrupted ? Didn't have a > > education. > > > > Mars : Have you ever had the throat problem or problems of the > > stomach ? You might have sisters but no brother. Have > > your hair started thinning at the top of your head? > > > > Jupiter : Do you have any speech defect? Did either your father > > or grandfather suffer from asthma? > > > > Saturn : Do you live in a house situated at a blind alley? > > have you ever had any liver problem? Or did you > > ever have to undergo an operation? > > > > Rahu : The day you were born , was it a day when it rained? > > Were you born at your Nana's house? Or if born at > > your's , was either Nana or Nani present there? > > Did your father have some problem this year, problem > > of health or financial? Have you got a black 'til' > > on your face? > > > > > > Hope to continue the exercise, > > > > with love, > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > > wrote: > > > Priya Jee > > > > > > Want to try the DIY method? > > > > > > I am inviting you and anyone else who is interested to join me in > > > analysing the details for the horoscope posted right now by > > > StudentIndia aka Harish. We can ask Khattar Sahib to be the team > > > leader and guide us in practical application of the methodology > for > > > fixing the ascendant. > > > > > > Needless to add we might end up making absolute fools of > ourselves > > but > > > hopefully Khattar sahib will stop us from doing that and point us > in > > > the right direction. Agreed Rajeev jee? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > <bhooshanpriya> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan, > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am grateful for > both > > > of > > > > you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee ji too > > > would > > > > listen to my request of mentioning the name of the planets when > > > > asking verification questions. > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar > <lalkitab@v...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Bhuwan Ji > > > > > Thanks for your prompt contribution. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM > > > > > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Priya di, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : > > > > > > > > > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a > > > > `mushtariqa > > > > > object of Saturn and moon'. > > > > > > > > > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki > > tarah > > > > > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez " { > > page > > > > > 840, 1952 ed } > > > > > > > > > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. > > > > > > > > > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined > Saturn > > + > > > > > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these > lines: > > > > > > > > > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein bahata > > > makan > > > > > hoga " when acting manda. > > > > > > > > > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to > and > > > > where > > > > > a floating house on a river would anchor at. > > > > > > > > > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { arun > > > > sanhita > > > > > 39 ed page 312 } > > > > > > > > > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya lohe > > ki > > > > > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani ya > > > > chandra > > > > > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par > maut > > ka > > > > > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani sanjha > > hone > > > > par > > > > > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah > > syah > > > > munh > > > > > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va > chhota > > > > > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra khana > > 2 } > > > > > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / shani > ke > > > > makan > > > > > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " > > > > > > > > > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if > it > > > > might > > > > > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two > > planets. > > > > The > > > > > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' are > > > > > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land .. > > > There > > > > > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh maya' > > and > > > > > > > ` > > > > > dukh ka nateeja'. > > > > > > > > > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to take > > > care > > > > of > > > > > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki > > vahami > > > > > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar > > > > hoga ....ghar > > > > > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki > thali > > > > mein > > > > > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na > hon > > > > varna > > > > > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki > aashiya > > > us > > > > > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} > > > > > > > > > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn }is > > > > advised > > > > > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , > otherwise > > > > > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka > upaya' > > is > > > > > suggested. > > > > > > > > > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when > driving > > > it > > > > > home for the first time. The explanation is simple. > > > > > > > > > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in > order > > > to > > > > > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should carry a > > > pup > > > > > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do range > > > > janwaron > > > > > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a few > > people > > > > have > > > > > a toy pup kept in their cars. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic > of > > > > this > > > > > Lal Kitab upaya. > > > > > With regards and naman to gurujan, > > > > > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > > > > > > Dear members > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents > combination > > of > > > > > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this combination > is > > > > > responsible for accidents/operations. > > > > > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( > did't > > > > write > > > > > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some > > > lalkitabist > > > > > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry dates > > in > > > > > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to be > > > > > effective against accidents/mishaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on > hearing > > > > about > > > > > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my > > > > scooter's > > > > > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me for > > > not > > > > > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out > and > > > got > > > > > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning > > only..no > > > > > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in my > > any > > > > of > > > > > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of > God ). > > > > > > > > > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken as > a > > > > > general remedy for everybody but for people with specific > > > > > astrological combination only. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > > > > > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear experts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still > > > > unanswered > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? > Its > > > > > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer > that > > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Dear Rakesh , Could you just call me dear priya? I wouldn't be able to comment on your analysis , but the Lagna is verified. On the questions I got a bull's eye for rahu ,answers for sun , moon and mars were not a washout. Hence, the Lagna affirmed . with love, priya lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > Priya Ji > > Essentially the purpose is the same as in the vedic system if I am not > mistaken, rectification/fixing of the ascendant/lagna. > > True blue Lal Kitabists do it as matter of habit, as you would have > observed. I further suspect the methodology is the same. This is the > reason I requested you to join me, as a I am a big ZERO insofar as > rectification goes. The other purpose could be to ascertain if a > particular planet is having a malefic / benefic impact currently, > though this is something that seems less probable. > > Khattar Sahib has posted the chart recast per LK, let us pick up from > there shall we? > > NATAL > ----- > rahu in 1 > ketu + jup in 7 > mar+mer+ven in 4 > sun in 5 > sat in 6 > mon in 11 > > ==>Q: Ever been in any trouble with the authorities? > > Reason: Rahu in Khaana #1 eclipses Sun wherever it is. > Sun in Khaana #5(Pucca ghar of Jup.........if I am not forgetting my > lessons Jup represents Royal power and Sun the authority of the state > (they would seem to be the same to me) as I think Bhuwan also > mentioned when he analysed Kublir's tewaa) > > Let's see what the experts think of the rationale. If the > rationale/reasoning is incorrect then the question I have asked is > ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. If the rationale is correct then we need to draw > upon your expertise in rectification to take this further. > > > Regards > > > R S > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> > wrote: > > correction, > > > > Ooooops , my bad, > > moon: should read 'didn't have a smooth education' > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > <bhooshanpriya> > > wrote: > > > Dear Rakesh, > > > > > > Sure, I'd love to join you. I am not quite familiar with the Lal > > > Kitab , still a beginner,but I am not bad at Vedic astrology. > Shall > > > we begin with the verification questions ? In vedic system such > > > questions are asked only if the 'lagna' is either a borderline > > case , > > > or the 'lagna' is not known at all. But as I see here , the > > questions > > > are asked as a matter of routine. How do the answers influence > the > > > analysis is never shared. > > > > > > However, I am framing a few questions based on my knowledge of > > Vedic > > > system. You could add a few based on your Lal Kitab experience , > > and > > > lets see what meal we make out of it. > > > > > > Verification questions for Harish , based on Vedic astrology > system: > > > > > > Sun : Are you the only son ? > > > During this year , did you fight any election and lose ? > > > Did some one you trusted , betray you this year? > > > > > > Moon: Has your education been ever disrupted ? Didn't have a > > > education. > > > > > > Mars : Have you ever had the throat problem or problems of the > > > stomach ? You might have sisters but no brother. Have > > > your hair started thinning at the top of your head? > > > > > > Jupiter : Do you have any speech defect? Did either your father > > > or grandfather suffer from asthma? > > > > > > Saturn : Do you live in a house situated at a blind alley? > > > have you ever had any liver problem? Or did you > > > ever have to undergo an operation? > > > > > > Rahu : The day you were born , was it a day when it rained? > > > Were you born at your Nana's house? Or if born at > > > your's , was either Nana or Nani present there? > > > Did your father have some problem this year, problem > > > of health or financial? Have you got a black 'til' > > > on your face? > > > > > > > > > Hope to continue the exercise, > > > > > > with love, > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " > <rakeshsahgal> > > > wrote: > > > > Priya Jee > > > > > > > > Want to try the DIY method? > > > > > > > > I am inviting you and anyone else who is interested to join me > in > > > > analysing the details for the horoscope posted right now by > > > > StudentIndia aka Harish. We can ask Khattar Sahib to be the team > > > > leader and guide us in practical application of the methodology > > for > > > > fixing the ascendant. > > > > > > > > Needless to add we might end up making absolute fools of > > ourselves > > > but > > > > hopefully Khattar sahib will stop us from doing that and point > us > > in > > > > the right direction. Agreed Rajeev jee? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > > <bhooshanpriya> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am grateful for > > both > > > > of > > > > > you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee ji > too > > > > would > > > > > listen to my request of mentioning the name of the planets > when > > > > > asking verification questions. > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar > > <lalkitab@v...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhuwan Ji > > > > > > Thanks for your prompt contribution. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > > > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM > > > > > > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Priya di, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : > > > > > > > > > > > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a > > > > > `mushtariqa > > > > > > object of Saturn and moon'. > > > > > > > > > > > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore ki > > > tarah > > > > > > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez " > { > > > page > > > > > > 840, 1952 ed } > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined > > Saturn > > > + > > > > > > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these > > lines: > > > > > > > > > > > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein > bahata > > > > makan > > > > > > hoga " when acting manda. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead to > > and > > > > > where > > > > > > a floating house on a river would anchor at. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { > arun > > > > > sanhita > > > > > > 39 ed page 312 } > > > > > > > > > > > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya > lohe > > > ki > > > > > > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani > ya > > > > > chandra > > > > > > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par > > maut > > > ka > > > > > > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani sanjha > > > hone > > > > > par > > > > > > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki tarah > > > syah > > > > > munh > > > > > > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va > > chhota > > > > > > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra > khana > > > 2 } > > > > > > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / > shani > > ke > > > > > makan > > > > > > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " > > > > > > > > > > > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible even if > > it > > > > > might > > > > > > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two > > > planets. > > > > > The > > > > > > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' > are > > > > > > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land > . > > > > There > > > > > > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh > maya' > > > and > > > > > > > > > ` > > > > > > dukh ka nateeja'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to > take > > > > care > > > > > of > > > > > > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon ki > > > vahami > > > > > > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar > > > > > hoga ....ghar > > > > > > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki > > thali > > > > > mein > > > > > > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na > > hon > > > > > varna > > > > > > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki > > aashiya > > > > us > > > > > > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} > > > > > > > > > > > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn > }is > > > > > advised > > > > > > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , > > otherwise > > > > > > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka > > upaya' > > > is > > > > > > suggested. > > > > > > > > > > > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when > > driving > > > > it > > > > > > home for the first time. The explanation is simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore in > > order > > > > to > > > > > > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should > carry a > > > > pup > > > > > > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do range > > > > > janwaron > > > > > > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a few > > > people > > > > > have > > > > > > a toy pup kept in their cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the logic > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > Lal Kitab upaya. > > > > > > With regards and naman to gurujan, > > > > > > > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > > > > > > > Dear members > > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents > > combination > > > of > > > > > > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this > combination > > is > > > > > > responsible for accidents/operations. > > > > > > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( > > did't > > > > > write > > > > > > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some > > > > lalkitabist > > > > > > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry > dates > > > in > > > > > > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to > be > > > > > > effective against accidents/mishaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on > > hearing > > > > > about > > > > > > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in my > > > > > scooter's > > > > > > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me > for > > > > not > > > > > > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates out > > and > > > > got > > > > > > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning > > > only..no > > > > > > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in > my > > > any > > > > > of > > > > > > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of > > God ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken > as > > a > > > > > > general remedy for everybody but for people with specific > > > > > > astrological combination only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > > > > > > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear experts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still > > > > > unanswered > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a car ? > > Its > > > > > > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer > > that > > > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Hi Priya You my friend have kicked off a regular storm in these parts. :-) However on a serious note if put what these gentlemen are saying in perspective , you will observe it has immense merit and they mean well. Not to suggest that you would mix the two (Vedic and LK), but point being mixing the two can be ruinous for the person performing the remedies. I had mentioned in the recent past how a vedic system chap made a mess of my ketu as an instance of this. Now lets get down to our jt. exercise to make public fools of ourselves here.Based on chart details Khattar jee posted, following are the obvious benefics and malefics - unaspected where they are(stand alone basis): Benefic --------- Khaana #4: Mar, Mer, Ven Khaana #5: Sun Khaana #6: Saturn Khaana #7: Ketu Malefic --------- Khaana #1: Rahu Khaana #7: Jup Khaana #11: Moon Caveats to the above ------------------------- Rahu in #1: [a] As the condition of Mer in first 6 houses so is the effect of Rahu in the first 6 houses. Mer in #4 benefic. Hence no adverse impact of Rahu in first 6 houses As the condition of Ketu in last 6 houses so is the effect of Rahu in the last 6 houses. Ketu in #7 benefic. Hence no adverse impact of Rahu in last 6 houses A query that needs clarification in light of the above - What happens to the solar eclipse that is caused by Rahu in #1? Other Malefics ------------------ Jup in #7: Malefic. Accompaniment of Ketu doesn't help matters either even though Ketu's guru is Jup. Pointer to lack of financial success. Moon in #11: Described as " equal to zero " . Aspected by enemies in #4 is destroyed - Venus in #4. Moon governs education. This is what is probably causing him problems in his academic performance. Any college romance kaa chakkar Harish Ji? J/K. :-) On a serious note this kind of moon is pretty adverse. Damages Ketu (governs travel) per the text. Even if he is able to travel overseas given his benefic Ketu, it is a moot point if he will be able to locate overseas. I have seen this in action at a personal level, and that was Ketu #9 which specifically mentions that the native will spend his life in " pardesh " but Moon in #11 ordained otherwise. In the financial context - as a contra indication to Jup+Ket #7,moon in #11 will be helped by Merc in #4 in the financial context. As Bhatia ji said in his post re. Moon -functional malefic , I guess the halaat will decide what kind of determination is made. Now your turn Priya Ji. Lets see what you make of this chart. Once we are past this stage let's look at the next level i.e. aspects. Am hoping one of the experts will find some time to comment and if necessary tear this analysis apart. Atleast We /I will know know where We/I stand - humaari/meri haisiyat kyaa hai LK mein. Regards R S lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> wrote: > Dear Rakesh , > > Could you just call me dear priya? > > I wouldn't be able to comment on your analysis , but the Lagna is > verified. On the questions I got a bull's eye for rahu ,answers for > sun , moon and mars were not a washout. Hence, the Lagna affirmed . > > with love, > > priya > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > Priya Ji > > > > Essentially the purpose is the same as in the vedic system if I am > not > > mistaken, rectification/fixing of the ascendant/lagna. > > > > True blue Lal Kitabists do it as matter of habit, as you would have > > observed. I further suspect the methodology is the same. This is the > > reason I requested you to join me, as a I am a big ZERO insofar as > > rectification goes. The other purpose could be to ascertain if a > > particular planet is having a malefic / benefic impact currently, > > though this is something that seems less probable. > > > > Khattar Sahib has posted the chart recast per LK, let us pick up > from > > there shall we? > > > > NATAL > > ----- > > rahu in 1 > > ketu + jup in 7 > > mar+mer+ven in 4 > > sun in 5 > > sat in 6 > > mon in 11 > > > > ==>Q: Ever been in any trouble with the authorities? > > > > Reason: Rahu in Khaana #1 eclipses Sun wherever it is. > > Sun in Khaana #5(Pucca ghar of Jup.........if I am not forgetting my > > lessons Jup represents Royal power and Sun the authority of the > state > > (they would seem to be the same to me) as I think Bhuwan also > > mentioned when he analysed Kublir's tewaa) > > > > Let's see what the experts think of the rationale. If the > > rationale/reasoning is incorrect then the question I have asked is > > ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. If the rationale is correct then we need to draw > > upon your expertise in rectification to take this further. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > R S > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > <bhooshanpriya> > > wrote: > > > correction, > > > > > > Ooooops , my bad, > > > moon: should read 'didn't have a smooth education' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > <bhooshanpriya> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Rakesh, > > > > > > > > Sure, I'd love to join you. I am not quite familiar with the > Lal > > > > Kitab , still a beginner,but I am not bad at Vedic astrology. > > Shall > > > > we begin with the verification questions ? In vedic system such > > > > questions are asked only if the 'lagna' is either a borderline > > > case , > > > > or the 'lagna' is not known at all. But as I see here , the > > > questions > > > > are asked as a matter of routine. How do the answers influence > > the > > > > analysis is never shared. > > > > > > > > However, I am framing a few questions based on my knowledge of > > > Vedic > > > > system. You could add a few based on your Lal Kitab > experience , > > > and > > > > lets see what meal we make out of it. > > > > > > > > Verification questions for Harish , based on Vedic astrology > > system: > > > > > > > > Sun : Are you the only son ? > > > > During this year , did you fight any election and lose ? > > > > Did some one you trusted , betray you this year? > > > > > > > > Moon: Has your education been ever disrupted ? Didn't have a > > > > education. > > > > > > > > Mars : Have you ever had the throat problem or problems of the > > > > stomach ? You might have sisters but no brother. Have > > > > your hair started thinning at the top of your head? > > > > > > > > Jupiter : Do you have any speech defect? Did either your father > > > > or grandfather suffer from asthma? > > > > > > > > Saturn : Do you live in a house situated at a blind alley? > > > > have you ever had any liver problem? Or did you > > > > ever have to undergo an operation? > > > > > > > > Rahu : The day you were born , was it a day when it rained? > > > > Were you born at your Nana's house? Or if born at > > > > your's , was either Nana or Nani present there? > > > > Did your father have some problem this year, problem > > > > of health or financial? Have you got a black 'til' > > > > on your face? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope to continue the exercise, > > > > > > > > with love, > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " > > <rakeshsahgal> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Priya Jee > > > > > > > > > > Want to try the DIY method? > > > > > > > > > > I am inviting you and anyone else who is interested to join me > > in > > > > > analysing the details for the horoscope posted right now by > > > > > StudentIndia aka Harish. We can ask Khattar Sahib to be the > team > > > > > leader and guide us in practical application of the > methodology > > > for > > > > > fixing the ascendant. > > > > > > > > > > Needless to add we might end up making absolute fools of > > > ourselves > > > > but > > > > > hopefully Khattar sahib will stop us from doing that and point > > us > > > in > > > > > the right direction. Agreed Rajeev jee? > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > > > <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am grateful > for > > > both > > > > > of > > > > > > you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee ji > > too > > > > > would > > > > > > listen to my request of mentioning the name of the planets > > when > > > > > > asking verification questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar > > > <lalkitab@v...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Bhuwan Ji > > > > > > > Thanks for your prompt contribution. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > > > > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > > > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM > > > > > > > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Priya di, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered a > > > > > > `mushtariqa > > > > > > > object of Saturn and moon'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan ghore > ki > > > > tarah > > > > > > > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki cheez " > > { > > > > page > > > > > > > 840, 1952 ed } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined > > > Saturn > > > > + > > > > > > > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these > > > lines: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein > > bahata > > > > > makan > > > > > > > hoga " when acting manda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead > to > > > and > > > > > > where > > > > > > > a floating house on a river would anchor at. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { > > arun > > > > > > sanhita > > > > > > > 39 ed page 312 } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya > > lohe > > > > ki > > > > > > > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo shani > > ya > > > > > > chandra > > > > > > > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale par > > > maut > > > > ka > > > > > > > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani > sanjha > > > > hone > > > > > > par > > > > > > > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki > tarah > > > > syah > > > > > > munh > > > > > > > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va > > > chhota > > > > > > > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra > > khana > > > > 2 } > > > > > > > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / > > shani > > > ke > > > > > > makan > > > > > > > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible even > if > > > it > > > > > > might > > > > > > > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two > > > > planets. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' > > are > > > > > > > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on land > > . > > > > > There > > > > > > > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh > > maya' > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > ` > > > > > > > dukh ka nateeja'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to > > take > > > > > care > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon > ki > > > > vahami > > > > > > > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar > > > > > > hoga ....ghar > > > > > > > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi ki > > > thali > > > > > > mein > > > > > > > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein na > > > hon > > > > > > varna > > > > > > > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki > > > aashiya > > > > > us > > > > > > > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn > > }is > > > > > > advised > > > > > > > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , > > > otherwise > > > > > > > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka > > > upaya' > > > > is > > > > > > > suggested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when > > > driving > > > > > it > > > > > > > home for the first time. The explanation is simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore > in > > > order > > > > > to > > > > > > > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should > > carry a > > > > > pup > > > > > > > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do > range > > > > > > janwaron > > > > > > > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a few > > > > people > > > > > > have > > > > > > > a toy pup kept in their cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the > logic > > > of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > Lal Kitab upaya. > > > > > > > With regards and naman to gurujan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear members > > > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents > > > combination > > > > of > > > > > > > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this > > combination > > > is > > > > > > > responsible for accidents/operations. > > > > > > > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told ( > > > did't > > > > > > write > > > > > > > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some > > > > > lalkitabist > > > > > > > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry > > dates > > > > in > > > > > > > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved to > > be > > > > > > > effective against accidents/mishaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on > > > hearing > > > > > > about > > > > > > > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates in > my > > > > > > scooter's > > > > > > > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught me > > for > > > > > not > > > > > > > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates > out > > > and > > > > > got > > > > > > > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning > > > > only..no > > > > > > > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates in > > my > > > > any > > > > > > of > > > > > > > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of > > > God ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be taken > > as > > > a > > > > > > > general remedy for everybody but for people with specific > > > > > > > astrological combination only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > > > > > > > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear experts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and still > > > > > > unanswered > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a > car ? > > > Its > > > > > > > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts answer > > > that > > > > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Dear Rakesh, I didn't mean to stir a storm. And I do agree with the experts here that the two systems shouldn't be mixed. All I wanted was to initiate a tradition to ask verification questions giving the name of the planets. I hope the experts here got the cue. Yesterday , I answered the two questions Mr Harish came to the group with. Now waiting for the Lal Kitab answer to those two questions. Rakesh, I am afraid I wouldn't be able to comment on your analysis till such time I am comfortable with the new system. Therefore I would sit quiet for a while, study Lal Kitab and get back in. Incidently Mr Katwe ,a scholar of vedic system,seems to be very close to the Lal Kitab. sincerely, priya lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > Hi Priya > > You my friend have kicked off a regular storm in these parts. :-) > > However on a serious note if put what these gentlemen are saying in > perspective , you will observe it has immense merit and they mean > well. Not to suggest that you would mix the two (Vedic and LK), but > point being mixing the two can be ruinous for the person performing > the remedies. I had mentioned in the recent past how a vedic system > chap made a mess of my ketu as an instance of this. > > Now lets get down to our jt. exercise to make public fools of > ourselves here.Based on chart details Khattar jee posted, following > are the obvious benefics and malefics - unaspected where they > are(stand alone basis): > > Benefic > --------- > Khaana #4: Mar, Mer, Ven > Khaana #5: Sun > Khaana #6: Saturn > Khaana #7: Ketu > > > Malefic > --------- > Khaana #1: Rahu > Khaana #7: Jup > Khaana #11: Moon > > > Caveats to the above > ------------------------- > > Rahu in #1: > > [a] As the condition of Mer in first 6 houses so is the effect of Rahu > in the first 6 houses. Mer in #4 benefic. Hence no adverse impact of > Rahu in first 6 houses > > As the condition of Ketu in last 6 houses so is the effect of > Rahu in the last 6 houses. Ketu in #7 benefic. Hence no adverse impact > of Rahu in last 6 houses > > > A query that needs clarification in light of the above - What happens > to the solar eclipse that is caused by Rahu in #1? > > Other Malefics > ------------------ > > Jup in #7: > > Malefic. Accompaniment of Ketu doesn't help matters either even > though > Ketu's guru is Jup. Pointer to lack of financial success. > > Moon in #11: > > Described as " equal to zero " . Aspected by enemies in #4 is destroyed - > Venus in #4. Moon governs education. This is what is probably causing > him problems in his academic performance. > > Any college romance kaa chakkar Harish Ji? J/K. :-) > > On a serious note this kind of moon is pretty adverse. Damages Ketu > (governs travel) per the text. Even if he is able to travel overseas > given his benefic Ketu, it is a moot point if he will be able to > locate overseas. I have seen this in action at a personal level, and > that was Ketu #9 which specifically mentions that the native will > spend his life in " pardesh " but Moon in #11 ordained otherwise. > > In the financial context - as a contra indication to Jup+Ket #7,moon > in #11 will be helped by Merc in #4 in the financial context. > As Bhatia ji said in his post re. Moon -functional malefic , I guess > the halaat will decide what kind of determination is made. > > Now your turn Priya Ji. Lets see what you make of this chart. > > Once we are past this stage let's look at the next level i.e. aspects. > > Am hoping one of the experts will find some time to comment and if > necessary tear this analysis apart. Atleast We /I will know know where > We/I stand - humaari/meri haisiyat kyaa hai LK mein. > > Regards > > > > R S > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> > wrote: > > Dear Rakesh , > > > > Could you just call me dear priya? > > > > I wouldn't be able to comment on your analysis , but the Lagna is > > verified. On the questions I got a bull's eye for rahu ,answers for > > sun , moon and mars were not a washout. Hence, the Lagna affirmed . > > > > with love, > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > > wrote: > > > Priya Ji > > > > > > Essentially the purpose is the same as in the vedic system if I > am > > not > > > mistaken, rectification/fixing of the ascendant/lagna. > > > > > > True blue Lal Kitabists do it as matter of habit, as you would > have > > > observed. I further suspect the methodology is the same. This is > the > > > reason I requested you to join me, as a I am a big ZERO insofar as > > > rectification goes. The other purpose could be to ascertain if a > > > particular planet is having a malefic / benefic impact currently, > > > though this is something that seems less probable. > > > > > > Khattar Sahib has posted the chart recast per LK, let us pick up > > from > > > there shall we? > > > > > > NATAL > > > ----- > > > rahu in 1 > > > ketu + jup in 7 > > > mar+mer+ven in 4 > > > sun in 5 > > > sat in 6 > > > mon in 11 > > > > > > ==>Q: Ever been in any trouble with the authorities? > > > > > > Reason: Rahu in Khaana #1 eclipses Sun wherever it is. > > > Sun in Khaana #5(Pucca ghar of Jup.........if I am not forgetting > my > > > lessons Jup represents Royal power and Sun the authority of the > > state > > > (they would seem to be the same to me) as I think Bhuwan also > > > mentioned when he analysed Kublir's tewaa) > > > > > > Let's see what the experts think of the rationale. If the > > > rationale/reasoning is incorrect then the question I have asked > is > > > ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. If the rationale is correct then we need to > draw > > > upon your expertise in rectification to take this further. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > <bhooshanpriya> > > > wrote: > > > > correction, > > > > > > > > Ooooops , my bad, > > > > moon: should read 'didn't have a smooth education' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > > <bhooshanpriya> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Rakesh, > > > > > > > > > > Sure, I'd love to join you. I am not quite familiar with the > > Lal > > > > > Kitab , still a beginner,but I am not bad at Vedic astrology. > > > Shall > > > > > we begin with the verification questions ? In vedic system > such > > > > > questions are asked only if the 'lagna' is either a > borderline > > > > case , > > > > > or the 'lagna' is not known at all. But as I see here , the > > > > questions > > > > > are asked as a matter of routine. How do the answers influence > > > the > > > > > analysis is never shared. > > > > > > > > > > However, I am framing a few questions based on my knowledge > of > > > > Vedic > > > > > system. You could add a few based on your Lal Kitab > > experience , > > > > and > > > > > lets see what meal we make out of it. > > > > > > > > > > Verification questions for Harish , based on Vedic astrology > > > system: > > > > > > > > > > Sun : Are you the only son ? > > > > > During this year , did you fight any election and lose ? > > > > > Did some one you trusted , betray you this year? > > > > > > > > > > Moon: Has your education been ever disrupted ? Didn't have a > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > Mars : Have you ever had the throat problem or problems of > the > > > > > stomach ? You might have sisters but no brother. Have > > > > > your hair started thinning at the top of your head? > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter : Do you have any speech defect? Did either your > father > > > > > or grandfather suffer from asthma? > > > > > > > > > > Saturn : Do you live in a house situated at a blind alley? > > > > > have you ever had any liver problem? Or did you > > > > > ever have to undergo an operation? > > > > > > > > > > Rahu : The day you were born , was it a day when it rained? > > > > > Were you born at your Nana's house? Or if born at > > > > > your's , was either Nana or Nani present there? > > > > > Did your father have some problem this year, problem > > > > > of health or financial? Have you got a black 'til' > > > > > on your face? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope to continue the exercise, > > > > > > > > > > with love, > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " > > > <rakeshsahgal> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Priya Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to try the DIY method? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am inviting you and anyone else who is interested to join > me > > > in > > > > > > analysing the details for the horoscope posted right now by > > > > > > StudentIndia aka Harish. We can ask Khattar Sahib to be the > > team > > > > > > leader and guide us in practical application of the > > methodology > > > > for > > > > > > fixing the ascendant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Needless to add we might end up making absolute fools of > > > > ourselves > > > > > but > > > > > > hopefully Khattar sahib will stop us from doing that and > point > > > us > > > > in > > > > > > the right direction. Agreed Rajeev jee? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > > > > <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am grateful > > for > > > > both > > > > > > of > > > > > > > you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee > ji > > > too > > > > > > would > > > > > > > listen to my request of mentioning the name of the planets > > > when > > > > > > > asking verification questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar > > > > <lalkitab@v...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhuwan Ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for your prompt contribution. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > > > > > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > > > > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM > > > > > > > > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Priya di, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered > a > > > > > > > `mushtariqa > > > > > > > > object of Saturn and moon'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan > ghore > > ki > > > > > tarah > > > > > > > > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki > cheez " > > > { > > > > > page > > > > > > > > 840, 1952 ed } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined > > > > Saturn > > > > > + > > > > > > > > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in > these > > > > lines: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein > > > bahata > > > > > > makan > > > > > > > > hoga " when acting manda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead > > to > > > > and > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > a floating house on a river would anchor at. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab { > > > arun > > > > > > > sanhita > > > > > > > > 39 ed page 312 } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari ya > > > lohe > > > > > ki > > > > > > > > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo > shani > > > ya > > > > > > > chandra > > > > > > > > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale > par > > > > maut > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani > > sanjha > > > > > hone > > > > > > > par > > > > > > > > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki > > tarah > > > > > syah > > > > > > > munh > > > > > > > > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala > va > > > > chhota > > > > > > > > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra > > > khana > > > > > 2 } > > > > > > > > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / > > > shani > > > > ke > > > > > > > makan > > > > > > > > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible > even > > if > > > > it > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and `tula' > > > are > > > > > > > > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on > land > > > . > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh > > > maya' > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > ` > > > > > > > > dukh ka nateeja'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book to > > > take > > > > > > care > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon > > ki > > > > > vahami > > > > > > > > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar > > > > > > > hoga ....ghar > > > > > > > > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi > ki > > > > thali > > > > > > > mein > > > > > > > > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein > na > > > > hon > > > > > > > varna > > > > > > > > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa > ki > > > > aashiya > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and Saturn > > > }is > > > > > > > advised > > > > > > > > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka > > > > upaya' > > > > > is > > > > > > > > suggested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car > when > > > > driving > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > home for the first time. The explanation is simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore > > in > > > > order > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should > > > carry a > > > > > > pup > > > > > > > > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do > > range > > > > > > > janwaron > > > > > > > > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a > few > > > > > people > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > a toy pup kept in their cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the > > logic > > > > of > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab upaya. > > > > > > > > With regards and naman to gurujan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear members > > > > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents > > > > combination > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this > > > combination > > > > is > > > > > > > > responsible for accidents/operations. > > > > > > > > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told > ( > > > > did't > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some > > > > > > lalkitabist > > > > > > > > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry > > > dates > > > > > in > > > > > > > > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved > to > > > be > > > > > > > > effective against accidents/mishaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on > > > > hearing > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates > in > > my > > > > > > > scooter's > > > > > > > > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught > me > > > for > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates > > out > > > > and > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning > > > > > only..no > > > > > > > > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates > in > > > my > > > > > any > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace > of > > > > God ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be > taken > > > as > > > > a > > > > > > > > general remedy for everybody but for people with > specific > > > > > > > > astrological combination only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > > > > > > > > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear experts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and > still > > > > > > > unanswered > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a > > car ? > > > > Its > > > > > > > > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts > answer > > > > that > > > > > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya> wrote: > Dear Rakesh, > > I didn't mean to stir a storm. And I do agree with the experts here > that the two systems shouldn't be mixed. All I wanted was to > initiate a tradition to ask verification questions giving the name > of the planets. I hope the experts here got the cue. ---> I hope so too. > > Yesterday , I answered the two questions Mr Harish came to the group > with. Now waiting for the Lal Kitab answer to those two questions. ---> Given your expertise in Vedic, I would like to see some input from our resident masters, to see if the end result of the two methods are in conformity with each other or contradict each other. > > Rakesh, I am afraid I wouldn't be able to comment on your analysis > till such time I am comfortable with the new system. Therefore I > would sit quiet for a while, study Lal Kitab and get back in. > Incidently Mr Katwe ,a scholar of vedic system,seems to be very close to the Lal Kitab. > > sincerely, > > priya > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > Hi Priya > > > > You my friend have kicked off a regular storm in these parts. :-) > > > > However on a serious note if put what these gentlemen are saying in > > perspective , you will observe it has immense merit and they mean > > well. Not to suggest that you would mix the two (Vedic and LK), but > > point being mixing the two can be ruinous for the person performing > > the remedies. I had mentioned in the recent past how a vedic system > > chap made a mess of my ketu as an instance of this. > > > > Now lets get down to our jt. exercise to make public fools of > > ourselves here.Based on chart details Khattar jee posted, following > > are the obvious benefics and malefics - unaspected where they > > are(stand alone basis): > > > > Benefic > > --------- > > Khaana #4: Mar, Mer, Ven > > Khaana #5: Sun > > Khaana #6: Saturn > > Khaana #7: Ketu > > > > > > Malefic > > --------- > > Khaana #1: Rahu > > Khaana #7: Jup > > Khaana #11: Moon > > > > > > Caveats to the above > > ------------------------- > > > > Rahu in #1: > > > > [a] As the condition of Mer in first 6 houses so is the effect of > Rahu > > in the first 6 houses. Mer in #4 benefic. Hence no adverse impact of > > Rahu in first 6 houses > > > > As the condition of Ketu in last 6 houses so is the effect of > > Rahu in the last 6 houses. Ketu in #7 benefic. Hence no adverse > impact > > of Rahu in last 6 houses > > > > > > A query that needs clarification in light of the above - What > happens > > to the solar eclipse that is caused by Rahu in #1? > > > > Other Malefics > > ------------------ > > > > Jup in #7: > > > > Malefic. Accompaniment of Ketu doesn't help matters either even > > though > > Ketu's guru is Jup. Pointer to lack of financial success. > > > > Moon in #11: > > > > Described as " equal to zero " . Aspected by enemies in #4 is > destroyed - > > Venus in #4. Moon governs education. This is what is probably > causing > > him problems in his academic performance. > > > > Any college romance kaa chakkar Harish Ji? J/K. :-) > > > > On a serious note this kind of moon is pretty adverse. Damages Ketu > > (governs travel) per the text. Even if he is able to travel overseas > > given his benefic Ketu, it is a moot point if he will be able to > > locate overseas. I have seen this in action at a personal level, and > > that was Ketu #9 which specifically mentions that the native will > > spend his life in " pardesh " but Moon in #11 ordained otherwise. > > > > In the financial context - as a contra indication to Jup+Ket #7,moon > > in #11 will be helped by Merc in #4 in the financial context. > > As Bhatia ji said in his post re. Moon -functional malefic , I guess > > the halaat will decide what kind of determination is made. > > > > Now your turn Priya Ji. Lets see what you make of this chart. > > > > Once we are past this stage let's look at the next level i.e. > aspects. > > > > Am hoping one of the experts will find some time to comment and if > > necessary tear this analysis apart. Atleast We /I will know know > where > > We/I stand - humaari/meri haisiyat kyaa hai LK mein. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > <bhooshanpriya> > > wrote: > > > Dear Rakesh , > > > > > > Could you just call me dear priya? > > > > > > I wouldn't be able to comment on your analysis , but the Lagna is > > > verified. On the questions I got a bull's eye for rahu ,answers > for > > > sun , moon and mars were not a washout. Hence, the Lagna > affirmed . > > > > > > with love, > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " > <rakeshsahgal> > > > wrote: > > > > Priya Ji > > > > > > > > Essentially the purpose is the same as in the vedic system if I > > am > > > not > > > > mistaken, rectification/fixing of the ascendant/lagna. > > > > > > > > True blue Lal Kitabists do it as matter of habit, as you would > > have > > > > observed. I further suspect the methodology is the same. This is > > the > > > > reason I requested you to join me, as a I am a big ZERO insofar > as > > > > rectification goes. The other purpose could be to ascertain if a > > > > particular planet is having a malefic / benefic impact > currently, > > > > though this is something that seems less probable. > > > > > > > > Khattar Sahib has posted the chart recast per LK, let us pick > up > > > from > > > > there shall we? > > > > > > > > NATAL > > > > ----- > > > > rahu in 1 > > > > ketu + jup in 7 > > > > mar+mer+ven in 4 > > > > sun in 5 > > > > sat in 6 > > > > mon in 11 > > > > > > > > ==>Q: Ever been in any trouble with the authorities? > > > > > > > > Reason: Rahu in Khaana #1 eclipses Sun wherever it is. > > > > Sun in Khaana #5(Pucca ghar of Jup.........if I am not > forgetting > > my > > > > lessons Jup represents Royal power and Sun the authority of the > > > state > > > > (they would seem to be the same to me) as I think Bhuwan also > > > > mentioned when he analysed Kublir's tewaa) > > > > > > > > Let's see what the experts think of the rationale. If the > > > > rationale/reasoning is incorrect then the question I have asked > > is > > > > ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. If the rationale is correct then we need to > > draw > > > > upon your expertise in rectification to take this further. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > > <bhooshanpriya> > > > > wrote: > > > > > correction, > > > > > > > > > > Ooooops , my bad, > > > > > moon: should read 'didn't have a smooth education' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > > > <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rakesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, I'd love to join you. I am not quite familiar with > the > > > Lal > > > > > > Kitab , still a beginner,but I am not bad at Vedic > astrology. > > > > Shall > > > > > > we begin with the verification questions ? In vedic system > > such > > > > > > questions are asked only if the 'lagna' is either a > > borderline > > > > > case , > > > > > > or the 'lagna' is not known at all. But as I see here , the > > > > > questions > > > > > > are asked as a matter of routine. How do the answers > influence > > > > the > > > > > > analysis is never shared. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I am framing a few questions based on my knowledge > > of > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > system. You could add a few based on your Lal Kitab > > > experience , > > > > > and > > > > > > lets see what meal we make out of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Verification questions for Harish , based on Vedic astrology > > > > system: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun : Are you the only son ? > > > > > > During this year , did you fight any election and > lose ? > > > > > > Did some one you trusted , betray you this year? > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon: Has your education been ever disrupted ? Didn't have > a > > > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars : Have you ever had the throat problem or problems of > > the > > > > > > stomach ? You might have sisters but no brother. Have > > > > > > your hair started thinning at the top of your head? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter : Do you have any speech defect? Did either your > > father > > > > > > or grandfather suffer from asthma? > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn : Do you live in a house situated at a blind alley? > > > > > > have you ever had any liver problem? Or did you > > > > > > ever have to undergo an operation? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu : The day you were born , was it a day when it rained? > > > > > > Were you born at your Nana's house? Or if born at > > > > > > your's , was either Nana or Nani present there? > > > > > > Did your father have some problem this year, problem > > > > > > of health or financial? Have you got a black 'til' > > > > > > on your face? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope to continue the exercise, > > > > > > > > > > > > with love, > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " > > > > <rakeshsahgal> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Priya Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to try the DIY method? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am inviting you and anyone else who is interested to > join > > me > > > > in > > > > > > > analysing the details for the horoscope posted right now > by > > > > > > > StudentIndia aka Harish. We can ask Khattar Sahib to be > the > > > team > > > > > > > leader and guide us in practical application of the > > > methodology > > > > > for > > > > > > > fixing the ascendant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Needless to add we might end up making absolute fools of > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > but > > > > > > > hopefully Khattar sahib will stop us from doing that and > > point > > > > us > > > > > in > > > > > > > the right direction. Agreed Rajeev jee? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > > > > > <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am > grateful > > > for > > > > > both > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee > > ji > > > > too > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > listen to my request of mentioning the name of the > planets > > > > when > > > > > > > > asking verification questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > <lalkitab@v...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhuwan Ji > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your prompt contribution. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha> > > > > > > > > > <lalkitab > > > > > > > > > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM > > > > > > > > > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Priya di, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is > considered > > a > > > > > > > > `mushtariqa > > > > > > > > > object of Saturn and moon'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan > > ghore > > > ki > > > > > > tarah > > > > > > > > > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki > > cheez " > > > > { > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > 840, 1952 ed } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of > combined > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in > > these > > > > > lines: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein > > > > bahata > > > > > > > makan > > > > > > > > > hoga " when acting manda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would > lead > > > to > > > > > and > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > a floating house on a river would anchor at. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab > { > > > > arun > > > > > > > > sanhita > > > > > > > > > 39 ed page 312 } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari > ya > > > > lohe > > > > > > ki > > > > > > > > > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo > > shani > > > > ya > > > > > > > > chandra > > > > > > > > > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale > > par > > > > > maut > > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani > > > sanjha > > > > > > hone > > > > > > > > par > > > > > > > > > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki > > > tarah > > > > > > syah > > > > > > > > munh > > > > > > > > > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala > > va > > > > > chhota > > > > > > > > > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha > chandra > > > > khana > > > > > > 2 } > > > > > > > > > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga / > > > > shani > > > > > ke > > > > > > > > makan > > > > > > > > > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible > > even > > > if > > > > > it > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the > two > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and > `tula' > > > > are > > > > > > > > > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on > > land > > > > . > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah > munh > > > > maya' > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ` > > > > > > > > > dukh ka nateeja'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book > to > > > > take > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono > grahon > > > ki > > > > > > vahami > > > > > > > > > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya > madadgar > > > > > > > > hoga ....ghar > > > > > > > > > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi > > ki > > > > > thali > > > > > > > > mein > > > > > > > > > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein > > na > > > > > hon > > > > > > > > varna > > > > > > > > > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa > > ki > > > > > aashiya > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and > Saturn > > > > }is > > > > > > > > advised > > > > > > > > > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house , > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj > ka > > > > > upaya' > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > suggested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car > > when > > > > > driving > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > home for the first time. The explanation is simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, > Therefore > > > in > > > > > order > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should > > > > carry a > > > > > > > pup > > > > > > > > > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do > > > range > > > > > > > > janwaron > > > > > > > > > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a > > few > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > a toy pup kept in their cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the > > > logic > > > > > of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab upaya. > > > > > > > > > With regards and naman to gurujan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhuwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear members > > > > > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents > > > > > combination > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this > > > > combination > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > responsible for accidents/operations. > > > > > > > > > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have > told > > ( > > > > > did't > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some > > > > > > > lalkitabist > > > > > > > > > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of > dry > > > > dates > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it > proved > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > > effective against accidents/mishaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of > you.on > > > > > hearing > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates > > in > > > my > > > > > > > > scooter's > > > > > > > > > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman > caught > > me > > > > for > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry > dates > > > out > > > > > and > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a > warning > > > > > > only..no > > > > > > > > > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry > dates > > in > > > > my > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace > > of > > > > > God ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be > > taken > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > general remedy for everybody but for people with > > specific > > > > > > > > > astrological combination only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurujans kindly comment ! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev k Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm > > > > > > > > > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear experts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and > > still > > > > > > > > unanswered > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a > > > car ? > > > > > Its > > > > > > > > > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts > > answer > > > > > that > > > > > > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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