' Achhoot ' ? FROM LALKITABEE TO PRIYAA JI & SEHGAL JI

[Guest guest]

Respected Priya ji

As u said mention the planet with analyzations.In this respect i

want to say that u r analyzing with VAIDIC SYSTEM in a horoscope ,But

if u will describe all style of analyzations then it will be too

heavy to describe that nobody will be able to grasp the spirit of

analyzation. As example if u will enlarge a picture then pixels will

be so clear that picture will dull.So our study in this group is not

to make a ready reckner.We must try to understand with lalkitab in

hand after that we must go for analyzations.Mr. bhuvan does in this

regard.He analyzes remedy of every astrologer & comments after that

but 1st of all he reads redbook for that after he prepares a note

with keen eye observations.

2ndly u arised a question that Mr. mudit analyzed according to

vaidic system ,aapne MUDIT ji e vishay main likha hai ki ve vaidic

system se analyze kertey hain to isi baat ko mudit ji bhi keh saktey

hain ki aapne Vaidic System se nahi balki lalkitab system se analyze

kiyaa hai.Are bhai koi KABA jao ya KASHI Mayaa to saari ek hi hai bus

jaane ke salike alag alag hain. Kehney main kya taqat lagti hai but

if u read redbook then u will see that there is clearly instructions

about not mixing PURATAN JYOTISH.(I think there is main cause

remedial system of lalkitab) So after confirmation about tevaa with

vaidic jyotish an astrologer cannot provide remedies of lalkitab

because here keen eye observers also available in this group.

Now as u said that we should clearly mention about particular planet-

-I want to attract ur attention that results never based upon a

single planet & this is same in VAIDIC JYOTISH.In lalkitab more

tecniques like VAIDIC JYOTISH.U cant predict without the help of

DRESHKAN, NAVANSH,TRISHANSH, & MORE THAN 1000 YOGAS of VAIDIC JYOTISH

etc..In the same way some special styles r written in redbook to

analyze a tevaa but not so clear.All of them include codes & codes

are also based upon other codes.So only a good way that read lalkitab

1st.

As example Moon 12 (LIVE DISCUSSION).According to lalkitab this is

called a SAILAAB.Now every body takes sailab in a meaning of

desaster.Lekin kya sailaab main mulyavaan vastuan behker nahi aati

hain kya.So why forgotten that point.About Moon 12 Lalkitab says

NEEM BUDHI SE PAANI TAPAKTAA RAHAA

DAADI KA POTAA BHATAKTAA RAHAA

PAANI PER PAANI BARASTAA RAHAA

BIKANER TARASTAA RAHAA

I can say directly that if moon will in 2nd DADI apne pote ka chehraa

dekhne ke liye raah takegi yaani moon 12 wala binaa male aulad ke ho

saktaa hai ya fir uski male santaan ke chehrey ko dekhne ke liye moon

12 wale ki maata intejaar karegi kyonki veh kabhi kabhi hi uske paas

ayegaa.Yanhaan tak ki DADI ki maut per bhi shayad hi moon 12 wale ka

beta pahunch sakey Aur agar moon 12 wale ki maata aur betaa dono

ikatthe ho jayain to moon 12 walaa aksar apni jaroorton ko pooraa

karne ke liye mohtaaz bhi ban jaataa hai lekin aisaa nahi hai ki uske

jivan ka bedaagark ho jayegaa isiliye ise sailab ka naam diyaa gayaa

hai.Iske alaawa agar moon 12 wale ka shani achchaa ho to uski madad

milne per bhi moon 12 ka asar minimize ho saktaa hai.Lalkitab ke

mutabik clear likhaa hai ki

PAANI PER PAANI BARASTAA RAHAA

BIKANER TARASTAA RAHAA

Fir bhi iske asar ko bhali bhanti jaanne ke liye doosre grahon ke

asar ko bhi observe karnaa hi hoga lekin unka nek asar iske bure asar

se door na reh sakegaa.

Respected priyaa ji abhi agar moon 12 ki vyakhyaa aur bhi ki jaye

to aap bhi vaasko digaama ki tarah saari duniyaan ka fera lagaaker

vapis vanhi jaugi jahaan se chali thi.Yaani ki poori lalkitab ki

parilkrmaa karni hogi aur ek baat aur ki Moon 12 per hi ooper likhi 4

lines ke mutabik poori ek book likhi ja sakti hai jo ki analyses

based hogi isiliye analyses main vistaar na deker sanket ke roop main

particular incident ya accident ko liyaa jaata hai.

Rahi baat analyzations ki to moon 12 ke vishay main maine ek Mukhya

baat predect ki hai acception are everywhere but this is to majority

Now every person with moon 12 can observe according to this generally.

Isse adhik aur kyaa vyakhya ho sakti hai?Iski vyakhyaa main hindi

main jyaadaa achchhi samjhaa saktaa hoon lekin bolker likhtey likhtey

main bhi thak chukaa hoon.

Plz. don mind my direct words in a straight way.

With regards

Lalkitabee

Lalkitabee

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " <bhooshanpriya>

wrote:

>

> Dear Khattar saheb,

>

> I respect your views, but I am afraid can't agree with you. Lets

not

> insulate a system. In my opinion various `paddhatis' are

> complimentary to each other and don't work at cross purposes. But

> this could be a matter for separate academic discussion.

>

> I formulated a few questions based on my knowledge of Vedic

system ,

> along with the names of the planets , hoping that some of you would

> add a few more based on your familiarity with Lal Kitab system .

>

> Incidentally , Mr Mudit too draws a few questions from the vedic

> system and if he mentions the planets along with the questions , as

I

> did , you would yourself recognize those questions which are out

of

> the Lal Kitab system. I see no harm when Mr Mudit does it. As a

> matter of fact I support his approach of enriching the system with

> the available knowledge.

>

> Lets not treat knowledge as `achhoot'

>

> With regards,

>

> Priya

>

>

>

>

>

lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar <lalkitab@v...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Priya Ji

> > when u r in rome, do as romans do. You are in lalkitab forum and

> trying to

> > see horoscope from vedic system !!.You will not gain lalkitab's

> knowledge by

> > checking horoscope from vedic point of view.Kindly go through

> previous

> > messages,seniors have written not to mix the two systems..never.

> > open lalkitab or arun samhita and then start checking each n

every

> planet

> > from that book..then ask the questions.

> > wishing you good luck...always

> > Rajeev K Khattar

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya>

> > <lalkitab >

> > Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:42 AM

> > [lalkitab] Re: DIY... sure , lets give it a try

> >

> >

> > >

> > > correction,

> > >

> > > Ooooops , my bad,

> > > moon: should read 'didn't have a smooth education'

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya "

> <bhooshanpriya>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Rakesh,

> > > >

> > > > Sure, I'd love to join you. I am not quite familiar with the

Lal

> > > > Kitab , still a beginner,but I am not bad at Vedic astrology.

> Shall

> > > > we begin with the verification questions ? In vedic system

such

> > > > questions are asked only if the 'lagna' is either a borderline

> > > case ,

> > > > or the 'lagna' is not known at all. But as I see here , the

> > > questions

> > > > are asked as a matter of routine. How do the answers

influence

> the

> > > > analysis is never shared.

> > > >

> > > > However, I am framing a few questions based on my knowledge of

> > > Vedic

> > > > system. You could add a few based on your Lal Kitab

experience ,

> > > and

> > > > lets see what meal we make out of it.

> > > >

> > > > Verification questions for Harish , based on Vedic astrology

> system:

> > > >

> > > > Sun : Are you the only son ?

> > > > During this year , did you fight any election and lose ?

> > > > Did some one you trusted , betray you this year?

> > > >

> > > > Moon: Has your education been ever disrupted ? Didn't have a

> > > > education.

> > > >

> > > > Mars : Have you ever had the throat problem or problems of the

> > > > stomach ? You might have sisters but no brother. Have

> > > > your hair started thinning at the top of your head?

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter : Do you have any speech defect? Did either your

father

> > > > or grandfather suffer from asthma?

> > > >

> > > > Saturn : Do you live in a house situated at a blind alley?

> > > > have you ever had any liver problem? Or did you

> > > > ever have to undergo an operation?

> > > >

> > > > Rahu : The day you were born , was it a day when it rained?

> > > > Were you born at your Nana's house? Or if born at

> > > > your's , was either Nana or Nani present there?

> > > > Did your father have some problem this year, problem

> > > > of health or financial? Have you got a black 'til'

> > > > on your face?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hope to continue the exercise,

> > > >

> > > > with love,

> > > >

> > > > priya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal "

> <rakeshsahgal>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Priya Jee

> > > > >

> > > > > Want to try the DIY method?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am inviting you and anyone else who is interested to join

> me in

> > > > > analysing the details for the horoscope posted right now by

> > > > > StudentIndia aka Harish. We can ask Khattar Sahib to be the

> team

> > > > > leader and guide us in practical application of the

> methodology

> > > for

> > > > > fixing the ascendant.

> > > > >

> > > > > Needless to add we might end up making absolute fools of

> > > ourselves

> > > > but

> > > > > hopefully Khattar sahib will stop us from doing that and

> point us

> > > in

> > > > > the right direction. Agreed Rajeev jee?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > R S

> > > > >

> > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya "

> > > > <bhooshanpriya>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Khattar saheb and bhuwan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot for being so prompt and lucid.I am grateful

for

> > > both

> > > > > of

> > > > > > you being so helpful. Wish that Mudit ji and Lal Kitabee

ji

> too

> > > > > would

> > > > > > listen to my request of mentioning the name of the

planets

> when

> > > > > > asking verification questions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > priya

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > lalkitab , Rajeev K Khattar

> > > <lalkitab@v...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Bhuwan Ji

> > > > > > > Thanks for your prompt contribution.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Rajeev K Khattar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > bhuwanvashishtha <bhuwanvashishtha>

> > > > > > > <lalkitab >

> > > > > > > Monday, August 16, 2004 9:42 AM

> > > > > > > [lalkitab] Re: chhuare in a car - the reasons

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Priya di,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Adding on to what respected Khattar jee has said :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A car , or for that matter any vehicle , is considered

a

> > > > > > `mushtariqa

> > > > > > > object of Saturn and moon'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " lohe ki aisi machine jis par savari karke insaan

ghore

> ki

> > > > tarah

> > > > > > > chal sake , maslan motor laari, ya lohe ki safar ki

cheez "

> >

> > > > page

> > > > > > > 840, 1952 ed }

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Similar expression in Arun sanhita of 52 ed page 295.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now if a vehicle is taken as a karak object of combined

> > > Saturn

> > > > +

> > > > > > > moon , what it could result in. It is explained in these

> > > lines:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " dono mushtaraqa mein andha ghora ya dariya mein

> bahata

> > > > > makan

> > > > > > > hoga " when acting manda.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not have to explain where a blind horse would lead

to

> > > and

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > a floating house on a river would anchor at.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is further explained in the 1939 ed of Lal Kitab {

> arun

> > > > > > sanhita

> > > > > > > 39 ed page 312 }

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " dono sanjha : kachhua , fata hua doodh , motor lari

ya

> lohe

> > > > ki

> > > > > > > safar ki cheez vagerah, ya deegar hathiyar hoga / jo

> shani ya

> > > > > > chandra

> > > > > > > ke apne apne oonche gharon mein bhi khud kundali wale

par

> > > maut

> > > > ka

> > > > > > > hamala ityadi hone ki ghatana hogi/ ...chandra shani

> sanjha

> > > > hone

> > > > > > par

> > > > > > > chandra ki maya { dhan daulat } shani ke syah rang ki

> tarah

> > > > syah

> > > > > > munh

> > > > > > > maya hogi yani chandi ka rupiya bhi har tarh se kala va

> > > chhota

> > > > > > > maloom hoga halaki khalis chandi ka hi { uchcha chandra

> khana

> > > > 2 }

> > > > > > > kyon na ho / shani ka swayam bhi zahar mila hua hoga /

> shani

> > > ke

> > > > > > makan

> > > > > > > araam dene ki bajaya dukh ka nateeja honge "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The effect of this combination would be perceptible

even

> if

> > > it

> > > > > > might

> > > > > > > occur in the houses of exaltation for either of the two

> > > > planets.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > exaltation rasi of both these planets `vrash' and

`tula'

> are

> > > > > > > associated with venus the karak planet of journeys on

> land .

> > > > > There

> > > > > > > are three key words here ` maut ka hamala' , `syah munh

> maya'

> > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > > `

> > > > > > > dukh ka nateeja'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now quite a few upaya have been suggested in the book

to

> take

> > > > > care

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the `manda' effects of this combination. " dono grahon

ki

> > > > vahami

> > > > > > > mandi halat se bachav ke liye sooraj ka upaya madadgar

> > > > > > hoga ....ghar

> > > > > > > mein lohe ka tofu bara box hone ke waqt us mein chandi

ki

> > > thali

> > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > pani rakhe rahana mubarik jabki dono grah khana 5 mein

na

> > > hon

> > > > > > varna

> > > > > > > jab vah no 5 mein hon to mangal shanishchar mushtarqa ki

> > > aashiya

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > safe mein rakhni mubarik hogi " { page 843 , ed 52}

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Keeping chhuare { mushtariqa aashiya of mars and

Saturn }

> is

> > > > > > advised

> > > > > > > only when this combination occurs in the 5th house ,

> > > otherwise

> > > > > > > keeping river water in a silver container or `sooraj ka

> > > upaya'

> > > > is

> > > > > > > suggested.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And it was also suggested to carry a pup in the car when

> > > driving

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > home for the first time. The explanation is simple.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shani + moon = ketu neech { masnui grah }, Therefore

in

> > > order

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > take care of this aspect it is advised that one should

> carry a

> > > > > pup

> > > > > > > home. But the pup must be all black . " mande waqt do

> range

> > > > > > janwaron

> > > > > > > ka matha syah kar den " . As a matter of fact quite a

few

> > > > people

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > a toy pup kept in their cars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope this explanation might help you understand the

> logic

> > > of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > Lal Kitab upaya.

> > > > > > > With regards and naman to gurujan,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > bhuwan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > lalkitab , lalkitab@v... wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear members

> > > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge,dry dates represents

> > > combination

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Mars + Saturn. As per traditional astrology,this

> combination

> > > is

> > > > > > > responsible for accidents/operations.

> > > > > > > > I personally think Roop chand Joshi ji must have told

> >

> > > did't

> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > in the book ) to a few of his visitors/friends or some

> > > > > lalkitabist

> > > > > > > must have experimented ( keeping respresentation of dry

> dates

> > > > in

> > > > > > > mind ) with keeping dry dates in vehicle and it proved

> to be

> > > > > > > effective against accidents/mishaps.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i would like to share one incident with all of you.on

> > > hearing

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > this remedy/suggestion , i kept 3 pieces of dry dates

in

> my

> > > > > > scooter's

> > > > > > > dicky in 1996.on that very day traffic policeman caught

> me for

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > wearing the helmet...immidieately i threw the dry dates

> out

> > > and

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > escaped from challan ....he left me by giving a warning

> > > > only..no

> > > > > > > bribe even ! since that day i have never kept dry dates

> in my

> > > > any

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > vehicles and no accidents/mishaps also ( By the Grace of

> > > God ).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > that incident gave me a thought that this can't be

> taken as

> > > a

> > > > > > > general remedy for everybody but for people with

specific

> > > > > > > astrological combination only.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gurujans kindly comment !

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rajeev k Khattar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > bhooshanpriya <bhooshanpriya>

> > > > > > > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:48 pm

> > > > > > > > [lalkitab] chhuare in a car - the reasons

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear experts,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A question had been asked , some time ago , and

still

> > > > > > unanswered

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > to why dry dates [ chhuare ] should be kept in a

car ?

> > > Its

> > > > > > > > > astrological reasons? Would any of the experts

answer

> > > that

> > > > > > please?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > priya

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >