original lalkitab-- yogesh lajmi

November 7, 2004

Dear Yogesh,

The problem faced by u is faced by almost all the beginners of

lalkitab. earlier i used to study by 1952 edition by comparing the two

books, one by hare krishna trust and one by swami keshavanand. i used

to study 1942 edition by comapring hare krishan trust with the

cyclostyled translation availble for Rs.500. but still i was at

crossroads. at last fortunately our group member Rajiv k Khattar gave

me the photocopy of the original version of 1942 book in urdu and

Yograj prabhakar gave me the copy of original 1952 edition. i am

indebted to these great persons. yograj prabhakar is himself a great

scholar of urdu and he is working on a project to rewrite the books in

hindi devnagri script but with original matter and words that is

without any change accompanied by a dictionary of urdu words used in

the book. i think it would be a great achievement if our group

moderator or anybody else can scan the original books and put them in

the files section. till then lajmi sahib if u know urdu then it's ok

otherwise u will have to wait for say at least one year to get an

authentic copy of lalkitab. presently there is no translated version

which can claim to be a ditto copy. every author has either omitted

some part or added some from himself, thereby polluting the whole

stuff. but something is better than nothing so i would suggest start

with whichever book u can lay your hands upon and keep on clarifying

your doubts on this group. at least i am working on this approach.

this group is the only place where you can get what you have in your mind.

kulbir singh bains

lalkitab , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:

> Dear Kulbir Singh,

> Could you please let us know from where we

can obtain a genuine copy of Pt. Roop Chand Joshi's Lal Kitab ?

> I understand that a lot of fakes are

available in the market,which is why Lal Kitab is no longer enjoying

the same reputation as before...!

> I would be most grateful to you...

> Yours sincerely,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> Kulbir Singh Bains <ceetabains> wrote:

>

> Rajinder ji, i fully agree with punit ji and priya ji that the book by

> umesh puri is another pirated work of lalkitab. it is indeed sorry

> that these fellows don't even mention the name of the real author PT.

> ROOP CHAND JOSHI. You may term me a superstitious person without logic

> but after putting in a lot of time and energy and meetings with

> learned pundits and a few really enlightened tantriks. i came to the

> conclusion that this ancient knowledge which was lost over the passage

> of time, portions of which might have been compiled by albaruni or

> other muslim scholars was brought to light by pt. joshi and no one

> else. The persons who knew the family and his fellow villagers tell

> that it was by some kriya you may call it tantrik, hazrat or whatever

> but he was a siddha who invoked the spirits of the enlightened

> departed and compiled this book through his son somnath. this book is

> a sacrosant book. i bet you can't find another similar book in the

> whole world. i appreciate punit's views that this book is purely

> indian. i don't treat this book even an iota less than guru granth

> shaib, gita, quran or ramayana. i have seen this book's miraclous

> powers and the people( i don't want to particularly name but i can

> send it on private mail) who tried to fiddle with this book suffered

> disastrous tresults. even if the other view is accepted for arguements

> sake then also we must be indebted to the great soul by whose selfless

> and tiresome work this knowledge came to our hands.

> kulbir singh bains

> lalkitab , Punit Pandey

> wrote:

> > Rajinder ji,

> >

> > The glimpse of traditional India in Lal Kitab is impeccable. I am sure

> > no foreigner can write such a book because it needs sound

> > understanding of India and Indian traditions.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:12:56 -0800 (PST), Rajinder Nath

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > hi priya,

> > > i think my quest will lead me to some historian who

> > > will proably will

> > > be able to get me original work of al -bruni at least

> > > his work on astronomy

> > > i will meet a director of smithsonian arbic section

> > > they have lot of knowledsge of scholars from that part

> > > of the world in 10th century

> > > it confuse me if original writer is from phalwara i

> > > spoke to sh roop chand son in canada and i like rakes

> > > mr roopchand grand son

> > > who does not want to get involve answering this

> > > quition he want me to talk to his father and his

> > > father i think motivate only if he is getting any

> > > award out of it

> > > i met mr roopchand in 1960 and i have great regard for

> > > him as he said with great confidence that one of my

> > > friend,s wife after child birth got

> > > tetnus he said after 13 days she will come back to

> > > life and she stays in dark romm after 13 days she was

> > > ok and have two more childern too

> > > so was the al brundi or mr roop chand who wrote this

> > > wonderful book in urdu.

> > > we will find one day

> > > rajinder

> > > --- bhooshanpriya wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rajinder ji,

> > > >

> > > > The book by Dr Umesh Puri 'gyaneshwar' is known by

> > > > its title'

> > > > sampoorn Lal Kitab aur hastrekha gyan' and is very

> > > > easily available

> > > > here in India too. It is also known as 'gayneshwari

> > > > tika'. It is as

> > > > good or bad as other books on or about the Lal

> > > > Kitab. I have found

> > > > this book below average.

> > > >

> > > > sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > Priya

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Nath

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > friends i have asked a friend to see if he finds

> > > > al

> > > > > bruni lal kitab

> > > > > or any related n=material

> > > > > well he fond a book in lahore called red bood by

> > > > dr

> > > > > ume4sh puri

> > > > > i dont think it has anything mention even of sh

> > > > roop

> > > > > chand ji

> > > > > but he apply the same system

> > > > > sh kulbir ji is this book has any legal right or

> > > > there

> > > > > are some other

> > > > > deto books on lalkitab i will certainly will read

> > > > it

> > > > > thouroly

> > > > > it just reach to me by a friend today

> > > > > i am still seeking al bruni work

> > > > > i am going to exibition this week end at

> > > > washington

> > > > > smithsonia and i know one lady who is director of

> > > > > arbian art name barbara she has

> > > > > appintment with me on 9th and may be she will help

> > > > me

> > > > > to find

> > > > > some work of al bruni as there is theme in the

> > > > > exibition arabian art and

> > > > > its contribution to world how it spread to asia

> > > > >

> > > > > i promise her i will look her birth chart as per

> > > > red

> > > > > book

> > > > > rajinder

> > > > >

> > > > > Check out the new Front Page.

> > > > > www.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Check out the new Front Page.

> > > www.

> > >

November 8, 2004

Yogesh ji,

There is one Lal Kitab available in the file section of this group. It

is not the best one but ok to start with; especially where we have

nothing in softcopy format.

Also you can check my blog at http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/

to get some background of the book.

Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:48:20 -0000, Kulbir Singh Bains

<ceetabains wrote:

>

> Dear Yogesh,

> The problem faced by u is faced by almost all the beginners of

> lalkitab. earlier i used to study by 1952 edition by comparing the two

> books, one by hare krishna trust and one by swami keshavanand. i used

> to study 1942 edition by comapring hare krishan trust with the

> cyclostyled translation availble for Rs.500. but still i was at

> crossroads. at last fortunately our group member Rajiv k Khattar gave

> me the photocopy of the original version of 1942 book in urdu and

> Yograj prabhakar gave me the copy of original 1952 edition. i am

> indebted to these great persons. yograj prabhakar is himself a great

> scholar of urdu and he is working on a project to rewrite the books in

> hindi devnagri script but with original matter and words that is

> without any change accompanied by a dictionary of urdu words used in

> the book. i think it would be a great achievement if our group

> moderator or anybody else can scan the original books and put them in

> the files section. till then lajmi sahib if u know urdu then it's ok

> otherwise u will have to wait for say at least one year to get an

> authentic copy of lalkitab. presently there is no translated version

> which can claim to be a ditto copy. every author has either omitted

> some part or added some from himself, thereby polluting the whole

> stuff. but something is better than nothing so i would suggest start

> with whichever book u can lay your hands upon and keep on clarifying

> your doubts on this group. at least i am working on this approach.

> this group is the only place where you can get what you have in your mind.

> kulbir singh bains

> lalkitab , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:

> > Dear Kulbir Singh,

> > Could you please let us know from where we

> can obtain a genuine copy of Pt. Roop Chand Joshi's Lal Kitab ?

> > I understand that a lot of fakes are

> available in the market,which is why Lal Kitab is no longer enjoying

> the same reputation as before...!

> > I would be most grateful to you...

> > Yours sincerely,

> > lyrastro1

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> > Kulbir Singh Bains <ceetabains> wrote:

> >

> > Rajinder ji, i fully agree with punit ji and priya ji that the book by

> > umesh puri is another pirated work of lalkitab. it is indeed sorry

> > that these fellows don't even mention the name of the real author PT.

> > ROOP CHAND JOSHI. You may term me a superstitious person without logic

> > but after putting in a lot of time and energy and meetings with

> > learned pundits and a few really enlightened tantriks. i came to the

> > conclusion that this ancient knowledge which was lost over the passage

> > of time, portions of which might have been compiled by albaruni or

> > other muslim scholars was brought to light by pt. joshi and no one

> > else. The persons who knew the family and his fellow villagers tell

> > that it was by some kriya you may call it tantrik, hazrat or whatever

> > but he was a siddha who invoked the spirits of the enlightened

> > departed and compiled this book through his son somnath. this book is

> > a sacrosant book. i bet you can't find another similar book in the

> > whole world. i appreciate punit's views that this book is purely

> > indian. i don't treat this book even an iota less than guru granth

> > shaib, gita, quran or ramayana. i have seen this book's miraclous

> > powers and the people( i don't want to particularly name but i can

> > send it on private mail) who tried to fiddle with this book suffered

> > disastrous tresults. even if the other view is accepted for arguements

> > sake then also we must be indebted to the great soul by whose selfless

> > and tiresome work this knowledge came to our hands.

> > kulbir singh bains

> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey

> > wrote:

> > > Rajinder ji,

> > >

> > > The glimpse of traditional India in Lal Kitab is impeccable. I am sure

> > > no foreigner can write such a book because it needs sound

> > > understanding of India and Indian traditions.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:12:56 -0800 (PST), Rajinder Nath

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hi priya,

> > > > i think my quest will lead me to some historian who

> > > > will proably will

> > > > be able to get me original work of al -bruni at least

> > > > his work on astronomy

> > > > i will meet a director of smithsonian arbic section

> > > > they have lot of knowledsge of scholars from that part

> > > > of the world in 10th century

> > > > it confuse me if original writer is from phalwara i

> > > > spoke to sh roop chand son in canada and i like rakes

> > > > mr roopchand grand son

> > > > who does not want to get involve answering this

> > > > quition he want me to talk to his father and his

> > > > father i think motivate only if he is getting any

> > > > award out of it

> > > > i met mr roopchand in 1960 and i have great regard for

> > > > him as he said with great confidence that one of my

> > > > friend,s wife after child birth got

> > > > tetnus he said after 13 days she will come back to

> > > > life and she stays in dark romm after 13 days she was

> > > > ok and have two more childern too

> > > > so was the al brundi or mr roop chand who wrote this

> > > > wonderful book in urdu.

> > > > we will find one day

> > > > rajinder

> > > > --- bhooshanpriya wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rajinder ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The book by Dr Umesh Puri 'gyaneshwar' is known by

> > > > > its title'

> > > > > sampoorn Lal Kitab aur hastrekha gyan' and is very

> > > > > easily available

> > > > > here in India too. It is also known as 'gayneshwari

> > > > > tika'. It is as

> > > > > good or bad as other books on or about the Lal

> > > > > Kitab. I have found

> > > > > this book below average.

> > > > >

> > > > > sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > Priya

> > > > >

> > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Nath

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > friends i have asked a friend to see if he finds

> > > > > al

> > > > > > bruni lal kitab

> > > > > > or any related n=material

> > > > > > well he fond a book in lahore called red bood by

> > > > > dr

> > > > > > ume4sh puri

> > > > > > i dont think it has anything mention even of sh

> > > > > roop

> > > > > > chand ji

> > > > > > but he apply the same system

> > > > > > sh kulbir ji is this book has any legal right or

> > > > > there

> > > > > > are some other

> > > > > > deto books on lalkitab i will certainly will read

> > > > > it

> > > > > > thouroly

> > > > > > it just reach to me by a friend today

> > > > > > i am still seeking al bruni work

> > > > > > i am going to exibition this week end at

> > > > > washington

> > > > > > smithsonia and i know one lady who is director of

> > > > > > arbian art name barbara she has

> > > > > > appintment with me on 9th and may be she will help

> > > > > me

> > > > > > to find

> > > > > > some work of al bruni as there is theme in the

> > > > > > exibition arabian art and

> > > > > > its contribution to world how it spread to asia

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i promise her i will look her birth chart as per

> > > > > red

> > > > > > book

> > > > > > rajinder

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Check out the new Front Page.

> > > > > > www.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Check out the new Front Page.

> > > > www.

> > > >

November 8, 2004

Dear Punit,

Thank you for the info.

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Yogesh ji,There is one Lal Kitab available in the file section of this group. Itis not the best one but ok to start with; especially where we havenothing in softcopy format.Also you can check my blog at http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/to get some background of the book.Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:48:20 -0000, Kulbir Singh Bainswrote:> > > Dear Yogesh,> The problem faced by u is faced by almost all the beginners of> lalkitab. earlier i used to study by 1952 edition by comparing the two> books, one by hare krishna trust and one by swami keshavanand. i used> to study 1942 edition by comapring hare krishan trust with the> cyclostyled translation availble for Rs.500. but still i was at> crossroads. at last fortunately

our group member Rajiv k Khattar gave> me the photocopy of the original version of 1942 book in urdu and> Yograj prabhakar gave me the copy of original 1952 edition. i am> indebted to these great persons. yograj prabhakar is himself a great> scholar of urdu and he is working on a project to rewrite the books in> hindi devnagri script but with original matter and words that is> without any change accompanied by a dictionary of urdu words used in> the book. i think it would be a great achievement if our group> moderator or anybody else can scan the original books and put them in> the files section. till then lajmi sahib if u know urdu then it's ok> otherwise u will have to wait for say at least one year to get an> authentic copy of lalkitab. presently there is no translated version> which can claim to be a ditto copy. every author has either omitted> some part or added some from himself, thereby

polluting the whole> stuff. but something is better than nothing so i would suggest start> with whichever book u can lay your hands upon and keep on clarifying> your doubts on this group. at least i am working on this approach.> this group is the only place where you can get what you have in your mind.> kulbir singh bains> lalkitab , Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote:> > Dear Kulbir Singh,> > Could you please let us know from where we> can obtain a genuine copy of Pt. Roop Chand Joshi's Lal Kitab ?> > I understand that a lot of fakes are> available in the market,which is why Lal Kitab is no longer enjoying> the same reputation as before...!> > I would be most grateful to you...> > Yours sincerely,> > lyrastro1> > GOOD LUCK !> >> > Kulbir Singh Bains wrote:> >> >>

> Rajinder ji, i fully agree with punit ji and priya ji that the book by> > umesh puri is another pirated work of lalkitab. it is indeed sorry> > that these fellows don't even mention the name of the real author PT.> > ROOP CHAND JOSHI. You may term me a superstitious person without logic> > but after putting in a lot of time and energy and meetings with> > learned pundits and a few really enlightened tantriks. i came to the> > conclusion that this ancient knowledge which was lost over the passage> > of time, portions of which might have been compiled by albaruni or> > other muslim scholars was brought to light by pt. joshi and no one> > else. The persons who knew the family and his fellow villagers tell> > that it was by some kriya you may call it tantrik, hazrat or whatever> > but he was a siddha who invoked the spirits of the enlightened> > departed and

compiled this book through his son somnath. this book is> > a sacrosant book. i bet you can't find another similar book in the> > whole world. i appreciate punit's views that this book is purely> > indian. i don't treat this book even an iota less than guru granth> > shaib, gita, quran or ramayana. i have seen this book's miraclous> > powers and the people( i don't want to particularly name but i can> > send it on private mail) who tried to fiddle with this book suffered> > disastrous tresults. even if the other view is accepted for arguements> > sake then also we must be indebted to the great soul by whose selfless> > and tiresome work this knowledge came to our hands.> > kulbir singh bains> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey> > wrote:> > > Rajinder ji,> > >> > > The glimpse of traditional India in Lal Kitab is

impeccable. I am sure> > > no foreigner can write such a book because it needs sound> > > understanding of India and Indian traditions.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:12:56 -0800 (PST), Rajinder Nath> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > hi priya,> > > > i think my quest will lead me to some historian who> > > > will proably will> > > > be able to get me original work of al -bruni at least> > > > his work on astronomy> > > > i will meet a director of smithsonian arbic section> > > > they have lot of knowledsge of scholars from that part> > > > of the world in 10th century> > > > it confuse me if original writer is from phalwara i> > > > spoke to

sh roop chand son in canada and i like rakes> > > > mr roopchand grand son> > > > who does not want to get involve answering this> > > > quition he want me to talk to his father and his> > > > father i think motivate only if he is getting any> > > > award out of it> > > > i met mr roopchand in 1960 and i have great regard for> > > > him as he said with great confidence that one of my> > > > friend,s wife after child birth got> > > > tetnus he said after 13 days she will come back to> > > > life and she stays in dark romm after 13 days she was> > > > ok and have two more childern too> > > > so was the al brundi or mr roop chand who wrote this> > > > wonderful book in urdu.> > > > we will find one day> > > > rajinder> > > > ---

bhooshanpriya wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Rajinder ji,> > > > >> > > > > The book by Dr Umesh Puri 'gyaneshwar' is known by> > > > > its title'> > > > > sampoorn Lal Kitab aur hastrekha gyan' and is very> > > > > easily available> > > > > here in India too. It is also known as 'gayneshwari> > > > > tika'. It is as> > > > > good or bad as other books on or about the Lal> > > > > Kitab. I have found> > > > > this book below average.> > > > >> > > > > sincerely,> > > > >> > > > > Priya> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >

> > >> > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Nath> > > > >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > friends i have asked a friend to see if he finds> > > > > al> > > > > > bruni lal kitab> > > > > > or any related n=material> > > > > > well he fond a book in lahore called red bood by> > > > > dr> > > > > > ume4sh puri> > > > > > i dont think it has anything mention even of sh> > > > > roop> > > > > > chand ji> > > > > > but he apply the same system> > > > > > sh kulbir ji is this book has any legal right or> > > > > there> > > > > > are some other> > > > > > deto books on lalkitab i will certainly will

read> > > > > it> > > > > > thouroly> > > > > > it just reach to me by a friend today> > > > > > i am still seeking al bruni work> > > > > > i am going to exibition this week end at> > > > > washington> > > > > > smithsonia and i know one lady who is director of> > > > > > arbian art name barbara she has> > > > > > appintment with me on 9th and may be she will help> > > > > me> > > > > > to find> > > > > > some work of al bruni as there is theme in the> > > > > > exibition arabian art and> > > > > > its contribution to world how it spread to asia> > > > > >> > > > > > i promise her i will look her birth chart as per> > > > >

red> > > > > > book> > > > > > rajinder> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page.> > > > > > www.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page.> > > > www.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >