Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Dear Yogesh, The problem faced by u is faced by almost all the beginners of lalkitab. earlier i used to study by 1952 edition by comparing the two books, one by hare krishna trust and one by swami keshavanand. i used to study 1942 edition by comapring hare krishan trust with the cyclostyled translation availble for Rs.500. but still i was at crossroads. at last fortunately our group member Rajiv k Khattar gave me the photocopy of the original version of 1942 book in urdu and Yograj prabhakar gave me the copy of original 1952 edition. i am indebted to these great persons. yograj prabhakar is himself a great scholar of urdu and he is working on a project to rewrite the books in hindi devnagri script but with original matter and words that is without any change accompanied by a dictionary of urdu words used in the book. i think it would be a great achievement if our group moderator or anybody else can scan the original books and put them in the files section. till then lajmi sahib if u know urdu then it's ok otherwise u will have to wait for say at least one year to get an authentic copy of lalkitab. presently there is no translated version which can claim to be a ditto copy. every author has either omitted some part or added some from himself, thereby polluting the whole stuff. but something is better than nothing so i would suggest start with whichever book u can lay your hands upon and keep on clarifying your doubts on this group. at least i am working on this approach. this group is the only place where you can get what you have in your mind. kulbir singh bains lalkitab , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Kulbir Singh, > Could you please let us know from where we can obtain a genuine copy of Pt. Roop Chand Joshi's Lal Kitab ? > I understand that a lot of fakes are available in the market,which is why Lal Kitab is no longer enjoying the same reputation as before...! > I would be most grateful to you... > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > Kulbir Singh Bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > > Rajinder ji, i fully agree with punit ji and priya ji that the book by > umesh puri is another pirated work of lalkitab. it is indeed sorry > that these fellows don't even mention the name of the real author PT. > ROOP CHAND JOSHI. You may term me a superstitious person without logic > but after putting in a lot of time and energy and meetings with > learned pundits and a few really enlightened tantriks. i came to the > conclusion that this ancient knowledge which was lost over the passage > of time, portions of which might have been compiled by albaruni or > other muslim scholars was brought to light by pt. joshi and no one > else. The persons who knew the family and his fellow villagers tell > that it was by some kriya you may call it tantrik, hazrat or whatever > but he was a siddha who invoked the spirits of the enlightened > departed and compiled this book through his son somnath. this book is > a sacrosant book. i bet you can't find another similar book in the > whole world. i appreciate punit's views that this book is purely > indian. i don't treat this book even an iota less than guru granth > shaib, gita, quran or ramayana. i have seen this book's miraclous > powers and the people( i don't want to particularly name but i can > send it on private mail) who tried to fiddle with this book suffered > disastrous tresults. even if the other view is accepted for arguements > sake then also we must be indebted to the great soul by whose selfless > and tiresome work this knowledge came to our hands. > kulbir singh bains > lalkitab , Punit Pandey > wrote: > > Rajinder ji, > > > > The glimpse of traditional India in Lal Kitab is impeccable. I am sure > > no foreigner can write such a book because it needs sound > > understanding of India and Indian traditions. > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:12:56 -0800 (PST), Rajinder Nath > > wrote: > > > > > > hi priya, > > > i think my quest will lead me to some historian who > > > will proably will > > > be able to get me original work of al -bruni at least > > > his work on astronomy > > > i will meet a director of smithsonian arbic section > > > they have lot of knowledsge of scholars from that part > > > of the world in 10th century > > > it confuse me if original writer is from phalwara i > > > spoke to sh roop chand son in canada and i like rakes > > > mr roopchand grand son > > > who does not want to get involve answering this > > > quition he want me to talk to his father and his > > > father i think motivate only if he is getting any > > > award out of it > > > i met mr roopchand in 1960 and i have great regard for > > > him as he said with great confidence that one of my > > > friend,s wife after child birth got > > > tetnus he said after 13 days she will come back to > > > life and she stays in dark romm after 13 days she was > > > ok and have two more childern too > > > so was the al brundi or mr roop chand who wrote this > > > wonderful book in urdu. > > > we will find one day > > > rajinder > > > --- bhooshanpriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajinder ji, > > > > > > > > The book by Dr Umesh Puri 'gyaneshwar' is known by > > > > its title' > > > > sampoorn Lal Kitab aur hastrekha gyan' and is very > > > > easily available > > > > here in India too. It is also known as 'gayneshwari > > > > tika'. It is as > > > > good or bad as other books on or about the Lal > > > > Kitab. I have found > > > > this book below average. > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Nath > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > friends i have asked a friend to see if he finds > > > > al > > > > > bruni lal kitab > > > > > or any related n=material > > > > > well he fond a book in lahore called red bood by > > > > dr > > > > > ume4sh puri > > > > > i dont think it has anything mention even of sh > > > > roop > > > > > chand ji > > > > > but he apply the same system > > > > > sh kulbir ji is this book has any legal right or > > > > there > > > > > are some other > > > > > deto books on lalkitab i will certainly will read > > > > it > > > > > thouroly > > > > > it just reach to me by a friend today > > > > > i am still seeking al bruni work > > > > > i am going to exibition this week end at > > > > washington > > > > > smithsonia and i know one lady who is director of > > > > > arbian art name barbara she has > > > > > appintment with me on 9th and may be she will help > > > > me > > > > > to find > > > > > some work of al bruni as there is theme in the > > > > > exibition arabian art and > > > > > its contribution to world how it spread to asia > > > > > > > > > > i promise her i will look her birth chart as per > > > > red > > > > > book > > > > > rajinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > > > > > www. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > > > www. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Yogesh ji, There is one Lal Kitab available in the file section of this group. It is not the best one but ok to start with; especially where we have nothing in softcopy format. Also you can check my blog at http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/ to get some background of the book. Regards, Punit Pandey On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:48:20 -0000, Kulbir Singh Bains <ceetabains wrote: > > > Dear Yogesh, > The problem faced by u is faced by almost all the beginners of > lalkitab. earlier i used to study by 1952 edition by comparing the two > books, one by hare krishna trust and one by swami keshavanand. i used > to study 1942 edition by comapring hare krishan trust with the > cyclostyled translation availble for Rs.500. but still i was at > crossroads. at last fortunately our group member Rajiv k Khattar gave > me the photocopy of the original version of 1942 book in urdu and > Yograj prabhakar gave me the copy of original 1952 edition. i am > indebted to these great persons. yograj prabhakar is himself a great > scholar of urdu and he is working on a project to rewrite the books in > hindi devnagri script but with original matter and words that is > without any change accompanied by a dictionary of urdu words used in > the book. i think it would be a great achievement if our group > moderator or anybody else can scan the original books and put them in > the files section. till then lajmi sahib if u know urdu then it's ok > otherwise u will have to wait for say at least one year to get an > authentic copy of lalkitab. presently there is no translated version > which can claim to be a ditto copy. every author has either omitted > some part or added some from himself, thereby polluting the whole > stuff. but something is better than nothing so i would suggest start > with whichever book u can lay your hands upon and keep on clarifying > your doubts on this group. at least i am working on this approach. > this group is the only place where you can get what you have in your mind. > kulbir singh bains > lalkitab , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > Dear Kulbir Singh, > > Could you please let us know from where we > can obtain a genuine copy of Pt. Roop Chand Joshi's Lal Kitab ? > > I understand that a lot of fakes are > available in the market,which is why Lal Kitab is no longer enjoying > the same reputation as before...! > > I would be most grateful to you... > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > Kulbir Singh Bains <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > > > Rajinder ji, i fully agree with punit ji and priya ji that the book by > > umesh puri is another pirated work of lalkitab. it is indeed sorry > > that these fellows don't even mention the name of the real author PT. > > ROOP CHAND JOSHI. You may term me a superstitious person without logic > > but after putting in a lot of time and energy and meetings with > > learned pundits and a few really enlightened tantriks. i came to the > > conclusion that this ancient knowledge which was lost over the passage > > of time, portions of which might have been compiled by albaruni or > > other muslim scholars was brought to light by pt. joshi and no one > > else. The persons who knew the family and his fellow villagers tell > > that it was by some kriya you may call it tantrik, hazrat or whatever > > but he was a siddha who invoked the spirits of the enlightened > > departed and compiled this book through his son somnath. this book is > > a sacrosant book. i bet you can't find another similar book in the > > whole world. i appreciate punit's views that this book is purely > > indian. i don't treat this book even an iota less than guru granth > > shaib, gita, quran or ramayana. i have seen this book's miraclous > > powers and the people( i don't want to particularly name but i can > > send it on private mail) who tried to fiddle with this book suffered > > disastrous tresults. even if the other view is accepted for arguements > > sake then also we must be indebted to the great soul by whose selfless > > and tiresome work this knowledge came to our hands. > > kulbir singh bains > > lalkitab , Punit Pandey > > wrote: > > > Rajinder ji, > > > > > > The glimpse of traditional India in Lal Kitab is impeccable. I am sure > > > no foreigner can write such a book because it needs sound > > > understanding of India and Indian traditions. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:12:56 -0800 (PST), Rajinder Nath > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > hi priya, > > > > i think my quest will lead me to some historian who > > > > will proably will > > > > be able to get me original work of al -bruni at least > > > > his work on astronomy > > > > i will meet a director of smithsonian arbic section > > > > they have lot of knowledsge of scholars from that part > > > > of the world in 10th century > > > > it confuse me if original writer is from phalwara i > > > > spoke to sh roop chand son in canada and i like rakes > > > > mr roopchand grand son > > > > who does not want to get involve answering this > > > > quition he want me to talk to his father and his > > > > father i think motivate only if he is getting any > > > > award out of it > > > > i met mr roopchand in 1960 and i have great regard for > > > > him as he said with great confidence that one of my > > > > friend,s wife after child birth got > > > > tetnus he said after 13 days she will come back to > > > > life and she stays in dark romm after 13 days she was > > > > ok and have two more childern too > > > > so was the al brundi or mr roop chand who wrote this > > > > wonderful book in urdu. > > > > we will find one day > > > > rajinder > > > > --- bhooshanpriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajinder ji, > > > > > > > > > > The book by Dr Umesh Puri 'gyaneshwar' is known by > > > > > its title' > > > > > sampoorn Lal Kitab aur hastrekha gyan' and is very > > > > > easily available > > > > > here in India too. It is also known as 'gayneshwari > > > > > tika'. It is as > > > > > good or bad as other books on or about the Lal > > > > > Kitab. I have found > > > > > this book below average. > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Nath > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > friends i have asked a friend to see if he finds > > > > > al > > > > > > bruni lal kitab > > > > > > or any related n=material > > > > > > well he fond a book in lahore called red bood by > > > > > dr > > > > > > ume4sh puri > > > > > > i dont think it has anything mention even of sh > > > > > roop > > > > > > chand ji > > > > > > but he apply the same system > > > > > > sh kulbir ji is this book has any legal right or > > > > > there > > > > > > are some other > > > > > > deto books on lalkitab i will certainly will read > > > > > it > > > > > > thouroly > > > > > > it just reach to me by a friend today > > > > > > i am still seeking al bruni work > > > > > > i am going to exibition this week end at > > > > > washington > > > > > > smithsonia and i know one lady who is director of > > > > > > arbian art name barbara she has > > > > > > appintment with me on 9th and may be she will help > > > > > me > > > > > > to find > > > > > > some work of al bruni as there is theme in the > > > > > > exibition arabian art and > > > > > > its contribution to world how it spread to asia > > > > > > > > > > > > i promise her i will look her birth chart as per > > > > > red > > > > > > book > > > > > > rajinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > > > > > > www. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > > > > www. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Dear Punit, Thank you for the info. Yours sincerely, lyrastro1Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Yogesh ji,There is one Lal Kitab available in the file section of this group. Itis not the best one but ok to start with; especially where we havenothing in softcopy format.Also you can check my blog at http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/to get some background of the book.Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:48:20 -0000, Kulbir Singh Bainswrote:> > > Dear Yogesh,> The problem faced by u is faced by almost all the beginners of> lalkitab. earlier i used to study by 1952 edition by comparing the two> books, one by hare krishna trust and one by swami keshavanand. i used> to study 1942 edition by comapring hare krishan trust with the> cyclostyled translation availble for Rs.500. but still i was at> crossroads. at last fortunately our group member Rajiv k Khattar gave> me the photocopy of the original version of 1942 book in urdu and> Yograj prabhakar gave me the copy of original 1952 edition. i am> indebted to these great persons. yograj prabhakar is himself a great> scholar of urdu and he is working on a project to rewrite the books in> hindi devnagri script but with original matter and words that is> without any change accompanied by a dictionary of urdu words used in> the book. i think it would be a great achievement if our group> moderator or anybody else can scan the original books and put them in> the files section. till then lajmi sahib if u know urdu then it's ok> otherwise u will have to wait for say at least one year to get an> authentic copy of lalkitab. presently there is no translated version> which can claim to be a ditto copy. every author has either omitted> some part or added some from himself, thereby polluting the whole> stuff. but something is better than nothing so i would suggest start> with whichever book u can lay your hands upon and keep on clarifying> your doubts on this group. at least i am working on this approach.> this group is the only place where you can get what you have in your mind.> kulbir singh bains> lalkitab , Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote:> > Dear Kulbir Singh,> > Could you please let us know from where we> can obtain a genuine copy of Pt. Roop Chand Joshi's Lal Kitab ?> > I understand that a lot of fakes are> available in the market,which is why Lal Kitab is no longer enjoying> the same reputation as before...!> > I would be most grateful to you...> > Yours sincerely,> > lyrastro1> > GOOD LUCK !> >> > Kulbir Singh Bains wrote:> >> >> > Rajinder ji, i fully agree with punit ji and priya ji that the book by> > umesh puri is another pirated work of lalkitab. it is indeed sorry> > that these fellows don't even mention the name of the real author PT.> > ROOP CHAND JOSHI. You may term me a superstitious person without logic> > but after putting in a lot of time and energy and meetings with> > learned pundits and a few really enlightened tantriks. i came to the> > conclusion that this ancient knowledge which was lost over the passage> > of time, portions of which might have been compiled by albaruni or> > other muslim scholars was brought to light by pt. joshi and no one> > else. The persons who knew the family and his fellow villagers tell> > that it was by some kriya you may call it tantrik, hazrat or whatever> > but he was a siddha who invoked the spirits of the enlightened> > departed and compiled this book through his son somnath. this book is> > a sacrosant book. i bet you can't find another similar book in the> > whole world. i appreciate punit's views that this book is purely> > indian. i don't treat this book even an iota less than guru granth> > shaib, gita, quran or ramayana. i have seen this book's miraclous> > powers and the people( i don't want to particularly name but i can> > send it on private mail) who tried to fiddle with this book suffered> > disastrous tresults. even if the other view is accepted for arguements> > sake then also we must be indebted to the great soul by whose selfless> > and tiresome work this knowledge came to our hands.> > kulbir singh bains> > lalkitab , Punit Pandey> > wrote:> > > Rajinder ji,> > >> > > The glimpse of traditional India in Lal Kitab is impeccable. I am sure> > > no foreigner can write such a book because it needs sound> > > understanding of India and Indian traditions.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:12:56 -0800 (PST), Rajinder Nath> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > hi priya,> > > > i think my quest will lead me to some historian who> > > > will proably will> > > > be able to get me original work of al -bruni at least> > > > his work on astronomy> > > > i will meet a director of smithsonian arbic section> > > > they have lot of knowledsge of scholars from that part> > > > of the world in 10th century> > > > it confuse me if original writer is from phalwara i> > > > spoke to sh roop chand son in canada and i like rakes> > > > mr roopchand grand son> > > > who does not want to get involve answering this> > > > quition he want me to talk to his father and his> > > > father i think motivate only if he is getting any> > > > award out of it> > > > i met mr roopchand in 1960 and i have great regard for> > > > him as he said with great confidence that one of my> > > > friend,s wife after child birth got> > > > tetnus he said after 13 days she will come back to> > > > life and she stays in dark romm after 13 days she was> > > > ok and have two more childern too> > > > so was the al brundi or mr roop chand who wrote this> > > > wonderful book in urdu.> > > > we will find one day> > > > rajinder> > > > --- bhooshanpriya wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Rajinder ji,> > > > >> > > > > The book by Dr Umesh Puri 'gyaneshwar' is known by> > > > > its title'> > > > > sampoorn Lal Kitab aur hastrekha gyan' and is very> > > > > easily available> > > > > here in India too. It is also known as 'gayneshwari> > > > > tika'. It is as> > > > > good or bad as other books on or about the Lal> > > > > Kitab. I have found> > > > > this book below average.> > > > >> > > > > sincerely,> > > > >> > > > > Priya> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Nath> > > > >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > friends i have asked a friend to see if he finds> > > > > al> > > > > > bruni lal kitab> > > > > > or any related n=material> > > > > > well he fond a book in lahore called red bood by> > > > > dr> > > > > > ume4sh puri> > > > > > i dont think it has anything mention even of sh> > > > > roop> > > > > > chand ji> > > > > > but he apply the same system> > > > > > sh kulbir ji is this book has any legal right or> > > > > there> > > > > > are some other> > > > > > deto books on lalkitab i will certainly will read> > > > > it> > > > > > thouroly> > > > > > it just reach to me by a friend today> > > > > > i am still seeking al bruni work> > > > > > i am going to exibition this week end at> > > > > washington> > > > > > smithsonia and i know one lady who is director of> > > > > > arbian art name barbara she has> > > > > > appintment with me on 9th and may be she will help> > > > > me> > > > > > to find> > > > > > some work of al bruni as there is theme in the> > > > > > exibition arabian art and> > > > > > its contribution to world how it spread to asia> > > > > >> > > > > > i promise her i will look her birth chart as per> > > > > red> > > > > > book> > > > > > rajinder> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page.> > > > > > www.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page.> > > > www.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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