Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 dear members of lalkitab and most respected gurujis 1. who according to lal kiatb are 'blood relations' in a family. i was told to do an upay for sun, rahu and mer sitting in the same house.it is meant to let the 'sun' shine, therefore benefitting father, business. the upay is of simmering a tambe ka a paisa in raw koyla for a whole night and throwing it in the gangaji at dawn, then bathing and leaving. this is for extension of life and overall benefit. could someone explain the implications and the 'correct' way of doing this upay as this person has also suggested that you cannot see or even hear from blood relations during this upay or one will be v badly affected. however, i can do this upay with my mother as she is not considered 'blood relation'. 2. on behalf of which members of your family and in-laws can i do an upay? eg. if my husband is not well, can i do on his behalf, will it affect him positively? thank you in anticipation for your valued comments. Best Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Without knowing the position of other planets in the horoscope, it is impossible to give you any advice on this. However, this particular upaya (burning a copper coin in fire overnight.) is NOT needed for Sun+Mercury+Rahu combination. If at all necessary, you need to perform a Moon related upaya. Please have the prescriber read LalKitab slightly more carefully (Page 927, 1952 edition.) Also, I am really surprised at the restrictions that have been prescribed with the copper burning upaya. This is ludicrous!! The most important fact is that the coin is to be "burnt" for a minimum of twelve hours. That fact hasn't been mentioned. But where did the following restrictions come from? 1. Cannot see or even hear from blood relations - this is absolutely nonsensical - there is NO such restriction. 2. Taking a bath in Gangaji -- this is even more laughable and more ridiculous. The coin can be dropped in any river or running water or even in a jungle (Would the prescriber let all of us know where the "bath" and "Gangaji" business is mentioned in any of the five LalKitabs - we all must have missed it and would like to be enlightened.) 3. This upaya has absolutely nothing to do with the father. He/She is mixing stories from two different serials! The only restriction that is mentioned in LalKitab is that when the burnt coin is being taken to the river, then no "baal bachcha" should cross the path of the coin. It would be best to move the children away (and "behind") from there while the coin is being taken to the river, nothing more. Blood relations are your parents, brothers, children, paternal grand parents, paternal grand children, unmarried sisters and daughters. The wife can do the upaya for the husband and vice versa. In case of emergency, restrictions can be relaxed, viz. married daughters performing the upaya for the father/mother who are unable to do it themselves and have no one else to do it for them.) LalKitab system is not very restrictive when it comes to the way you perform an upaya. There is no restriction of taking a bath or keeping a fast before/after doing an upaya. Unless specifically mentioned, there is no restriction regarding the day on which you are to perform an upaya (The quacks are giving out Tuesday for this and Wednesday for that - they are even giving out muhurtas for performing the upaya - perhaps this way they can charge more money.) I don't know why the quacks are imposing their own restrictions to something which is already somewhat difficult (twelve hours at night of ensuring that the fire is continuously on.) Would anyone know the reason and would care to comment? Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia dear members of lalkitab and most respected gurujis1. who according to lal kiatb are 'blood relations' in a family. i was told to do an upay for sun, rahu and mer sitting in the same house.it is meant to let the 'sun' shine, therefore benefitting father, business. the upay is of simmering a tambe ka a paisa in raw koyla for a whole night and throwing it in the gangaji at dawn, then bathing and leaving. this is for extension of life and overall benefit.could someone explain the implications and the 'correct' way of doing this upay as this person has also suggested that you cannot see or even hear from blood relations during this upay or one will be v badly affected. however, i can do this upay with my mother as she is not considered 'blood relation'. 2. on behalf of which members of your family and in-laws can i do an upay? eg. if my husband is not well, can i do on his behalf, will it affect him positively? thank you in anticipation for your valued comments.Best Regards Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Dear Rajinder ji Thank you for the detailed explanation. just wanted to ask... when is this upay required to be done and in what way does the person benefit? i think the reason why this astrologer has made such a big deal of this upay is because going to haridwar, staying there overnight and performing the upay ends up making more money for him. shall check back with him with all the knowledge you have so helpfully provided. my sons dob is 08.08.2000. he is born in New Delhi at 2:32PM. his planetary positions are as follows.... house no. 1 : Moon house no. 2 : empty house no. 3 : ketu house no. 4,5,6 : empty house no. 7 : saturn, jupiter house no. 8 : empty house no. 9 : sun, mars, mercury, rahu house no. 10 : venus house no. 11, 12 : empty cd u pls give an insight into his horoscope as this astrologer seems to think its pretty bad. thank you again for your help. best regards Anjali lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > Without knowing the position of other planets in the horoscope, it is impossible to give you any advice on this. However, this particular upaya (burning a copper coin in fire overnight.) is NOT needed for Sun+Mercury+Rahu combination. If at all necessary, you need to perform a Moon related upaya. Please have the prescriber read LalKitab slightly more carefully (Page 927, 1952 edition.) > > Also, I am really surprised at the restrictions that have been prescribed with the copper burning upaya. This is ludicrous!! The most important fact is that the coin is to be " burnt " for a minimum of twelve hours. That fact hasn't been mentioned. But where did the following restrictions come from? > > 1. Cannot see or even hear from blood relations - this is absolutely nonsensical - there is NO such restriction. > 2. Taking a bath in Gangaji -- this is even more laughable and more ridiculous. The coin can be dropped in any river or running water or even in a jungle (Would the prescriber let all of us know where the " bath " and " Gangaji " business is mentioned in any of the five LalKitabs - we all must have missed it and would like to be enlightened.) > 3. This upaya has absolutely nothing to do with the father. He/She is mixing stories from two different serials! > > The only restriction that is mentioned in LalKitab is that when the burnt coin is being taken to the river, then no " baal bachcha " should cross the path of the coin. It would be best to move the children away (and " behind " ) from there while the coin is being taken to the river, nothing more. > > Blood relations are your parents, brothers, children, paternal grand parents, paternal grand children, unmarried sisters and daughters. The wife can do the upaya for the husband and vice versa. In case of emergency, restrictions can be relaxed, viz. married daughters performing the upaya for the father/mother who are unable to do it themselves and have no one else to do it for them.) > > LalKitab system is not very restrictive when it comes to the way you perform an upaya. There is no restriction of taking a bath or keeping a fast before/after doing an upaya. Unless specifically mentioned, there is no restriction regarding the day on which you are to perform an upaya (The quacks are giving out Tuesday for this and Wednesday for that - they are even giving out muhurtas for performing the upaya - perhaps this way they can charge more money.) I don't know why the quacks are imposing their own restrictions to something which is already somewhat difficult (twelve hours at night of ensuring that the fire is continuously on.) Would anyone know the reason and would care to comment? > > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > > > dear members of lalkitab and most respected gurujis > > 1. who according to lal kiatb are 'blood relations' in a family. > > i was told to do an upay for sun, rahu and mer sitting in the same > house.it is meant to let the 'sun' shine, therefore benefitting > father, business. the upay is of simmering a tambe ka a paisa in raw > koyla for a whole night and throwing it in the gangaji at dawn, then > bathing and leaving. this is for extension of life and overall benefit. > > could someone explain the implications and the 'correct' way of doing > this upay as this person has also suggested that you cannot see or > even hear from blood relations during this upay or one will be v badly > affected. however, i can do this upay with my mother as she is not > considered 'blood relation'. > > 2. on behalf of which members of your family and in-laws can i do an > upay? eg. if my husband is not well, can i do on his behalf, will it > affect him positively? > > thank you in anticipation for your valued comments. > > Best Regards > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Anjali Jee, In general, upayas are not performed for children under the age of fourteen unless there is a big problem. Lots of astrologers don't follow the very basic rules of LalKitab and just keep pushing these to make money. In case of your son, the only upaya that I would recommend is that you should teach him to give you the utmost respect, touch your feet every morning and in return should give him your sincerest blessings. Even when he does something wrong, you should not curse him out. This will be the best that can be done for your son. If there is a health issue with your son or if there is some other problem that is bothering you regarding him, then you can let us know. There are a couple of other issues that I see here - he should refrain from wearing green or blue clothes (if it is his school uniform, then there is no problem, he can wear these colors.) Otherwise, you should leave his horoscope alone - that is what I can suggest to you. The rest is up to you - however, I would still very strongly recommend against performing the Copper coin upaya. I could be wrong but within my mind I am convinced that you shouldn't perform that particular upaya. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia anjaliraj1 <anjaliraj1 wrote: Dear Rajinder jiThank you for the detailed explanation. just wanted to ask... when is this upay required to be done and in what way does the person benefit? i think the reason why this astrologer has made such a big deal of this upay is because going to haridwar, staying there overnight and performing the upay ends up making more money for him. shall check back with him with all the knowledge you have so helpfully provided. my sons dob is 08.08.2000. he is born in New Delhi at 2:32PM. his planetary positions are as follows....house no. 1 : Moonhouse no. 2 : emptyhouse no. 3 : ketuhouse no. 4,5,6 : emptyhouse no. 7 : saturn, jupiterhouse no. 8 : emptyhouse no. 9 : sun, mars, mercury, rahu house no. 10 : venushouse no. 11, 12 : emptycd u pls give an insight into his horoscope as this astrologer seems to think its pretty bad.thank you again for your help.best regardsAnjalilalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> Without knowing the position of other planets in the horoscope, it is impossible to give you any advice on this. However, this particular upaya (burning a copper coin in fire overnight.) is NOT needed for Sun+Mercury+Rahu combination. If at all necessary, you need to perform a Moon related upaya. Please have the prescriber read LalKitab slightly more carefully (Page 927, 1952 edition.)> > Also, I am really surprised at the restrictions that have been prescribed with the copper burning upaya. This is ludicrous!! The most important fact is that the coin is to be "burnt" for a minimum of twelve hours. That fact hasn't been mentioned. But where did the following restrictions come from?> > 1. Cannot see or even hear from blood relations - this is absolutely nonsensical - there is NO such restriction.> 2. Taking a bath in Gangaji -- this is even more laughable and more ridiculous. The coin can be dropped in any river or running water or even in a jungle (Would the prescriber let all of us know where the "bath" and "Gangaji" business is mentioned in any of the five LalKitabs - we all must have missed it and would like to be enlightened.) > 3. This upaya has absolutely nothing to do with the father. He/She is mixing stories from two different serials!> > The only restriction that is mentioned in LalKitab is that when the burnt coin is being taken to the river, then no "baal bachcha" should cross the path of the coin. It would be best to move the children away (and "behind") from there while the coin is being taken to the river, nothing more.> > Blood relations are your parents, brothers, children, paternal grand parents, paternal grand children, unmarried sisters and daughters. The wife can do the upaya for the husband and vice versa. In case of emergency, restrictions can be relaxed, viz. married daughters performing the upaya for the father/mother who are unable to do it themselves and have no one else to do it for them.)> > LalKitab system is not very restrictive when it comes to the way you perform an upaya. There is no restriction of taking a bath or keeping a fast before/after doing an upaya. Unless specifically mentioned, there is no restriction regarding the day on which you are to perform an upaya (The quacks are giving out Tuesday for this and Wednesday for that - they are even giving out muhurtas for performing the upaya - perhaps this way they can charge more money.) I don't know why the quacks are imposing their own restrictions to something which is already somewhat difficult (twelve hours at night of ensuring that the fire is continuously on.) Would anyone know the reason and would care to comment?> > Respectfully,> Rajinder Bhatia> > > dear members of lalkitab and most respected gurujis> > 1. who according to lal kiatb are 'blood relations' in a family. > > i was told to do an upay for sun, rahu and mer sitting in the same > house.it is meant to let the 'sun' shine, therefore benefitting > father, business. the upay is of simmering a tambe ka a paisa in raw > koyla for a whole night and throwing it in the gangaji at dawn, then > bathing and leaving. this is for extension of life and overall benefit.> > could someone explain the implications and the 'correct' way of doing > this upay as this person has also suggested that you cannot see or > even hear from blood relations during this upay or one will be v badly > affected. however, i can do this upay with my mother as she is not > considered 'blood relation'. > > 2. on behalf of which members of your family and in-laws can i do an > upay? eg. if my husband is not well, can i do on his behalf, will it > affect him positively? > > thank you in anticipation for your valued comments.> > Best Regards> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Dear Rajinder Ji Very sorry for not responding erlier. my computer crashed and i was unable to get online for a few days. Thank you for your guidance and opinion. I have decided that i will not do this upay for my son and will refrain from doing any other till he is atleast old enough. just wanted to ask though what the 'issues' are that you do see in his horoscope. Could you pls also tell me when the copper coin upay is actually done and what is the benefit derived? is it for extension of life? because this astrologer tries to make everyone do it. my mother in law is also v heavily into astrology and she has made her son (my husband),her daughter and her son-in-law do this upay apart from doing it herself. can it have negative effects? she wants my son and her husband to do it as well. she also wants me to do naak chedan. is it necessary for me? my dob is 26th jan 1973, 1:20AM, new delhi, India. she says it is good for my father. i feel that due to my lack of knowledge on the subject sometimes i get taken for a ride. can any upay have negative effects? i am sorry to ask so many questions, i am just worried that this astrologer is taking my mother in law for a jolly good ride.... i also wanted to ask. i am in the family way and due in 1st week of july. because my son was c-section this child may also be if problems occur. if my gynae lets me decide a date for the c-sect, cd u suggest a good day/day bet june to 1st week july give birth to this baby for overall happiness and health of the family. Thank you again for all your help. Best Regards Anjali lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > Anjali Jee, > In general, upayas are not performed for children under the age of fourteen unless there is a big problem. Lots of astrologers don't follow the very basic rules of LalKitab and just keep pushing these to make money. > > In case of your son, the only upaya that I would recommend is that you should teach him to give you the utmost respect, touch your feet every morning and in return should give him your sincerest blessings. Even when he does something wrong, you should not curse him out. This will be the best that can be done for your son. If there is a health issue with your son or if there is some other problem that is bothering you regarding him, then you can let us know. There are a couple of other issues that I see here - he should refrain from wearing green or blue clothes (if it is his school uniform, then there is no problem, he can wear these colors.) > > Otherwise, you should leave his horoscope alone - that is what I can suggest to you. The rest is up to you - however, I would still very strongly recommend against performing the Copper coin upaya. I could be wrong but within my mind I am convinced that you shouldn't perform that particular upaya. > > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > > > anjaliraj1 <anjaliraj1> wrote: > Dear Rajinder ji > > Thank you for the detailed explanation. just wanted to ask... when > is this upay required to be done and in what way does the person > benefit? i think the reason why this astrologer has made such a big > deal of this upay is because going to haridwar, staying there > overnight and performing the upay ends up making more money for him. > shall check back with him with all the knowledge you have so > helpfully provided. > > my sons dob is 08.08.2000. he is born in New Delhi at 2:32PM. his > planetary positions are as follows.... > > house no. 1 : Moon > house no. 2 : empty > house no. 3 : ketu > house no. 4,5,6 : empty > house no. 7 : saturn, jupiter > house no. 8 : empty > house no. 9 : sun, mars, mercury, rahu > house no. 10 : venus > house no. 11, 12 : empty > > cd u pls give an insight into his horoscope as this astrologer seems > to think its pretty bad. > > thank you again for your help. > > best regards > Anjali > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > Without knowing the position of other planets in the horoscope, > it is impossible to give you any advice on this. However, this > particular upaya (burning a copper coin in fire overnight.) is NOT > needed for Sun+Mercury+Rahu combination. If at all necessary, you > need to perform a Moon related upaya. Please have the prescriber > read LalKitab slightly more carefully (Page 927, 1952 edition.) > > > > Also, I am really surprised at the restrictions that have been > prescribed with the copper burning upaya. This is ludicrous!! The > most important fact is that the coin is to be " burnt " for a minimum > of twelve hours. That fact hasn't been mentioned. But where did the > following restrictions come from? > > > > 1. Cannot see or even hear from blood relations - this is > absolutely nonsensical - there is NO such restriction. > > 2. Taking a bath in Gangaji -- this is even more laughable and > more ridiculous. The coin can be dropped in any river or running > water or even in a jungle (Would the prescriber let all of us know > where the " bath " and " Gangaji " business is mentioned in any of the > five LalKitabs - we all must have missed it and would like to be > enlightened.) > > 3. This upaya has absolutely nothing to do with the father. He/She > is mixing stories from two different serials! > > > > The only restriction that is mentioned in LalKitab is that when > the burnt coin is being taken to the river, then no " baal bachcha " > should cross the path of the coin. It would be best to move the > children away (and " behind " ) from there while the coin is being > taken to the river, nothing more. > > > > Blood relations are your parents, brothers, children, paternal > grand parents, paternal grand children, unmarried sisters and > daughters. The wife can do the upaya for the husband and vice versa. > In case of emergency, restrictions can be relaxed, viz. married > daughters performing the upaya for the father/mother who are unable > to do it themselves and have no one else to do it for them.) > > > > LalKitab system is not very restrictive when it comes to the way > you perform an upaya. There is no restriction of taking a bath or > keeping a fast before/after doing an upaya. Unless specifically > mentioned, there is no restriction regarding the day on which you > are to perform an upaya (The quacks are giving out Tuesday for this > and Wednesday for that - they are even giving out muhurtas for > performing the upaya - perhaps this way they can charge more money.) > I don't know why the quacks are imposing their own restrictions to > something which is already somewhat difficult (twelve hours at night > of ensuring that the fire is continuously on.) Would anyone know the > reason and would care to comment? > > > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > dear members of lalkitab and most respected gurujis > > > > 1. who according to lal kiatb are 'blood relations' in a family. > > > > i was told to do an upay for sun, rahu and mer sitting in the same > > house.it is meant to let the 'sun' shine, therefore benefitting > > father, business. the upay is of simmering a tambe ka a paisa in > raw > > koyla for a whole night and throwing it in the gangaji at dawn, > then > > bathing and leaving. this is for extension of life and overall > benefit. > > > > could someone explain the implications and the 'correct' way of > doing > > this upay as this person has also suggested that you cannot see or > > even hear from blood relations during this upay or one will be v > badly > > affected. however, i can do this upay with my mother as she is not > > considered 'blood relation'. > > > > 2. on behalf of which members of your family and in-laws can i do > an > > upay? eg. if my husband is not well, can i do on his behalf, will > it > > affect him positively? > > > > thank you in anticipation for your valued comments. > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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