Rahu signifies smoke, fire, theft -- LalKitab

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Bhooshan Jee,

Thanks for such a scholarly and comprehensively drawn list of Rahu's synonyms - this is an invaluable reference. There is neither disagreement here nor ignorance on my part about Rahu being a "dhuaankaRwaa dhuan" etc etc -- these are universally known to all the LalKitab readers including me.

 

Fortunately, I know nothing about what I term as the Dalda versions of LalKitab books - I discarded those a while back due to thousands of unpardonable misleading transliteration errors and omissions. My personal disdain for such books is well known in this forum.

 

To satisfy your curiosity regarding Sun+Rahu discussion, I repeat the reference from LalKitab (teesra hissa) Page 314, Rahu+Sooraj line 4 :

 

"Rahu - aag - choree bukh.aar kaa bhee maalik hai..... "

 

Shri Yog Raj Prabhakar did NOT write that particular Email - I did. However, I wish to publicly thank him again for his recent act of kindness regarding the third volume of LalKitab.

 

I hope this clears authenticity issues regarding this topic. I have very busy week ahead but as time permits, I'll address the other issues also.

 

Thanks for keeping me honest and on my toes!

 

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

 

bhooshan priya <bhooshanpriya wrote:

 

Dear Bhatia ji,

 

Sorry to disagree again. You have claimed that rahu signifies 'fire' .

 

Could you or Shri YograjPrabhakar ji please quote from the book the exact excerpts where Rahu has been identified as ‘fire’?

And how often ?

 

Rahu has been identified as smoke , at times as karwa dhuan , zahreela dhuan , manda dhuan etc .

In the Lal Kitab the identification is normally termed as ‘ gina hai’ or ‘gina gaya hai’ e.g. ‘ rahu gina gar dhuan hai’ page 236 A.S. {chaturth bhag} OR ‘ rahu gina gar dhuan hai bhatti’ - gutka AS p94

 

I am quoting below 39 exact excerpts , along with page numbers , from all the three editions 1939 ,41and 52 , to prove that Rahu is identified as dhuan apart from so many other things. These excerpts are from a small part of the books i.e only from the section dealing with rahu.

If I were to collect examples from all over the books , the list would extend by another score or two. I haven’t come across any reference of Rahu as fire .

 

There are just two references to fire ‘ aatish’ that too as an image , identifying Rahu as fever in human body , “ jis tarah zameen ke andar ek atishee lahar hai usi tarah hi insaani jism mein yeh ek bukhar ki halat mein hota hai”. The other is ‘aatishee bhoochal’ fiery earthquake or earthquake with lava eruption . Here it is used as an adjective for earthquake. Of course Rahu has been identified as earthquake also.

 

I am giving page numbers from Arun sanhita because quite a few members have an access to it and can verify my claim.

 

 

References of Rahu as ‘dhuan’ in Lal Kitab 1939 ed published as Arun Sanhita { chaturth bhag } Page numbers are from Arun Sanhita. I do not have the original Urdu version

 

[ 1 ] ‘ guru ke sath dhuan ho teekha , budh ko urata karata hai’ p 229

[ 2 ] ‘ kachcha dhuan paida karana is ka kaam hai’ p.229

[ 3 ] ‘ tabiat mein kachche dhuae ki tarah ki beaarami si hogi’ p.321

[ 4 ] ‘ bharbhooje ki bhatti ka kachcha dhuan’ p.233

[ 5 ] ‘ deewar ki angeethi ka dhuan’ p 233

[ 6 ] ‘ rahu ka kachcha dhuan hoga jo uska zaroor dhuan nikal dega’ p 236

[ 7 ] ‘ rahu gina gar dhuan hai’ p 236

[ 8 ] ‘ deewar ki angeethi ka dhuan’ p 238

[ 9 ] ‘ dakshin ki deewar mein dhuan manda sabut dega’ p 238

[ 10] ‘ chulhe agni jab bujhe kachcha dhuan ho’ p . 239

[ 11] ‘ kachcha dhuan magar kismet ke prabhav mein koi kam ki aag na hogi’p241

[ 12 ] ‘ kachcha dhuan hoga magar aag na hogi’ p 241

 

Quoting from ‘gutka’ . I do not have the urdu version but I am quoting from it published as Arun Sanhita { samudrik}. The page numbers are from Arun Sanhita.

 

[ 1 ] ‘guru ke saath dhuan ho uthata’ p 91

[ 2 ] ‘ rahu in # 2 - kachcha dhuan’ p 92

[ 3 ] ‘ rahu gina gar dhuan hai bhatti’ p 94

[ 4 ] ‘ rahu ka wahi kachcha dhuan hoga jo iska zaroor dhuan nikal dega’ p 94

[ 5 ] ‘ rahu in # 8 – deewar ki angithi ka dhuan’ p 96

[ 6 ] ‘ dakshin ki deewar mein chulha{dhuan} manda sabit hoga’ p 96

[ 7 ] ‘ chulhe agni jab bujhe , kachcha dhuan ho’ p 97

[ 8 ] ‘ 6 mein rahu kauso-kazah ya 12 mein who dhuan hai’ p 98

[ 9 ] ‘ kachcha dhuan magar kismet ke prabhav mein…’ p 98

 

Now quoting from 1952 edition. I have the urdu version also but I am quoting the page numbers from Arun Sanhita .

 

[ 1 ] ‘ lekh dhuan jab shani ho manda’ p 226

[ 2 ] ‘ dhuan nishani hota ho’ p 226

[ 3 ] ‘ shani khana ek uttam to rahu ka dhuan uttam barsati baadal’ p 227

[ 4 ] ‘ shani manda to zahar ki gas ya manda karwa dhuan’ p 227

[ 5 ] ‘ dhuan roti pakane ke liye’ p 228

[ 6 ] ‘ apane ghar khandaan ka dhuan nikal dega’ p 228

[ 7 ] ‘ bhagya ki haalat mande zahar se bhare dhuaen jaisi’ p228

[ 8 ] ‘dhani magar chandaal rahu jo har taraf manda dhuan karde’ p 233

[ 9 ] ‘ khud stree dhan bhi mande balki dono ka hi dhuan nikale’ p 233

[10] ‘ laxmi ka to dhuan nikal dega’ p 233

[11] ‘ karwe dhunye ka sandesh’p 234

[12] ‘ khali dimag dhuan pareshani ka karan’ p 236

[13] ‘ rahu ke mande dhueye ki syahi se bharpoor hoga’ p 237

[14] ‘ kachcha karawa dhuan poore virodh se tang kar raha hoga’ p 238

[15] ‘lakri meethi ,pawan meethi , dhuan to karwa hi hai’ p238

[16] ‘ barish dhuan na maya karta….’ p239

[17] ‘ aasman par urata hua dhuan….parinam wohi kala karwa dhuan hoga’ p239

[18] ‘ rahu ka apana asar manda aur karwa dhuan hi hoga’ p240

 

Sincerely,

 

Priya

 

 

 

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Dear Bhatia ji,

 

Do you agree that 1952 edition of the Lal Kitab is an enlarged

version of the previous editions , and unfortunately the last version

also. How come there is not a single reference to fire in the context

of Rahu in this book.

 

Next I am going to post excerpts from the 1952 urdu edition [ and not

from any Dalda books ] to prove that Mangal represents fire.

 

After that posting , let the readers decide for themselves which

planet represents 'fire'

 

sincerely,

 

Priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:

> Bhooshan Jee,

> Thanks for such a scholarly and comprehensively drawn list of

Rahu's synonyms - this is an invaluable reference. There is neither

disagreement here nor ignorance on my part about Rahu being

a " dhuaan " " kaRwaa dhuan " etc etc -- these are universally known to

all the LalKitab readers including me.

>

> Fortunately, I know nothing about what I term as the Dalda versions

of LalKitab books - I discarded those a while back due to thousands

of unpardonable misleading transliteration errors and omissions. My

personal disdain for such books is well known in this forum.

>

> To satisfy your curiosity regarding Sun+Rahu discussion, I repeat

the reference from LalKitab (teesra hissa) Page 314, Rahu+Sooraj

line 4 :

>

> " Rahu - aag - choree bukh.aar kaa bhee maalik hai..... "

>

> Shri Yog Raj Prabhakar did NOT write that particular Email - I

did. However, I wish to publicly thank him again for his recent act

of kindness regarding the third volume of LalKitab.

>

> I hope this clears authenticity issues regarding this topic. I have

very busy week ahead but as time permits, I'll address the other

issues also.

>

> Thanks for keeping me honest and on my toes!

>

> Respectfully,

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

>

> bhooshan priya <bhooshanpriya> wrote:

> Dear Bhatia ji,

>

> Sorry to disagree again. You have claimed that rahu

signifies 'fire' .

>

> Could you or Shri YograjPrabhakar ji please quote from the book the

exact excerpts where Rahu has been identified as `fire'?

>

> And how often ?

>

>

>

> Rahu has been identified as smoke , at times as karwa dhuan ,

zahreela dhuan , manda dhuan etc .

>

> In the Lal Kitab the identification is normally termed as ` gina

hai' or `gina gaya hai' e.g. ` rahu gina gar dhuan hai' page 236

A.S. {chaturth bhag} OR ` rahu gina gar dhuan hai bhatti' - gutka AS

p94

>

>

>

> I am quoting below 39 exact excerpts , along with page

numbers , from all the three editions 1939 ,41and 52 , to prove that

Rahu is identified as dhuan apart from so many other things. These

excerpts are from a small part of the books i.e only from the section

dealing with rahu.

>

> If I were to collect examples from all over the books , the list

would extend by another score or two. I haven't come across any

reference of Rahu as fire .

>

>

>

> There are just two references to fire ` aatish' that too as an

image , identifying Rahu as fever in human body , " jis tarah zameen

ke andar ek atishee lahar hai usi tarah hi insaani jism mein yeh ek

bukhar ki halat mein hota hai " . The other is `aatishee bhoochal'

fiery earthquake or earthquake with lava eruption . Here it is used

as an adjective for earthquake. Of course Rahu has been identified as

earthquake also.

>

>

>

> I am giving page numbers from Arun sanhita because quite a few

members have an access to it and can verify my claim.

>

>

>

>

>

> References of Rahu as `dhuan' in Lal Kitab 1939 ed published as

Arun Sanhita { chaturth bhag } Page numbers are from Arun Sanhita. I

do not have the original Urdu version

>

>

>

> [ 1 ] ` guru ke sath dhuan ho teekha , budh ko urata karata hai' p

229

>

> [ 2 ] ` kachcha dhuan paida karana is ka kaam hai' p.229

>

> [ 3 ] ` tabiat mein kachche dhuae ki tarah ki beaarami si hogi'

p.321

>

> [ 4 ] ` bharbhooje ki bhatti ka kachcha dhuan' p.233

>

> [ 5 ] ` deewar ki angeethi ka dhuan' p 233

>

> [ 6 ] ` rahu ka kachcha dhuan hoga jo uska zaroor dhuan nikal dega'

p 236

>

> [ 7 ] ` rahu gina gar dhuan hai' p 236

>

> [ 8 ] ` deewar ki angeethi ka dhuan' p 238

>

> [ 9 ] ` dakshin ki deewar mein dhuan manda sabut dega' p 238

>

> [ 10] ` chulhe agni jab bujhe kachcha dhuan ho' p . 239

>

> [ 11] ` kachcha dhuan magar kismet ke prabhav mein koi kam ki aag

na hogi'p241

>

> [ 12 ] ` kachcha dhuan hoga magar aag na hogi' p 241

>

>

>

> Quoting from `gutka' . I do not have the urdu version but I am

quoting from it published as Arun Sanhita { samudrik}. The page

numbers are from Arun Sanhita.

>

>

>

> [ 1 ] `guru ke saath dhuan ho uthata' p 91

>

> [ 2 ] ` rahu in # 2 - kachcha dhuan' p 92

>

> [ 3 ] ` rahu gina gar dhuan hai bhatti' p 94

>

> [ 4 ] ` rahu ka wahi kachcha dhuan hoga jo iska zaroor dhuan nikal

dega' p 94

>

> [ 5 ] ` rahu in # 8 – deewar ki angithi ka dhuan' p 96

>

> [ 6 ] ` dakshin ki deewar mein chulha{dhuan} manda sabit hoga' p 96

>

> [ 7 ] ` chulhe agni jab bujhe , kachcha dhuan ho' p 97

>

> [ 8 ] ` 6 mein rahu kauso-kazah ya 12 mein who dhuan hai' p 98

>

> [ 9 ] ` kachcha dhuan magar kismet ke prabhav mein…' p 98

>

>

>

> Now quoting from 1952 edition. I have the urdu version also but I

am quoting the page numbers from Arun Sanhita .

>

>

>

> [ 1 ] ` lekh dhuan jab shani ho manda' p 226

>

> [ 2 ] ` dhuan nishani hota ho' p 226

>

> [ 3 ] ` shani khana ek uttam to rahu ka dhuan uttam barsati baadal'

p 227

>

> [ 4 ] ` shani manda to zahar ki gas ya manda karwa dhuan' p 227

>

> [ 5 ] ` dhuan roti pakane ke liye' p 228

>

> [ 6 ] ` apane ghar khandaan ka dhuan nikal dega' p 228

>

> [ 7 ] ` bhagya ki haalat mande zahar se bhare dhuaen jaisi' p228

>

> [ 8 ] `dhani magar chandaal rahu jo har taraf manda dhuan karde' p

233

>

> [ 9 ] ` khud stree dhan bhi mande balki dono ka hi dhuan nikale' p

233

>

> [10] ` laxmi ka to dhuan nikal dega' p 233

>

> [11] ` karwe dhunye ka sandesh'p 234

>

> [12] ` khali dimag dhuan pareshani ka karan' p 236

>

> [13] ` rahu ke mande dhueye ki syahi se bharpoor hoga' p 237

>

> [14] ` kachcha karawa dhuan poore virodh se tang kar raha hoga' p

238

>

> [15] `lakri meethi ,pawan meethi , dhuan to karwa hi hai' p238

>

> [16] ` barish dhuan na maya karta….' p239

>

> [17] ` aasman par urata hua dhuan….parinam wohi kala karwa dhuan

hoga' p239

>

> [18] ` rahu ka apana asar manda aur karwa dhuan hi hoga' p240

>

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Priya

>

>

>

>

>

>

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