[Astrology.Saatwik.com] Calling all Real Hindus. A thing we can do

October 27, 2007

Dear Arvindji,

I appreciate your views and feel that

You are a good man, practising tolerance

like Gandhiji and other great men.

I am not as good as You, with less tolerance

levels, which may need to see

more seasons to mature. For me it is a simple

rule, that some people do not understand the

language of sweet words,they only understand

the swift move of the sword. We will leave

this case seperate, but if all people were

to understand the language of scriptures

and the teachings therein, then there would have

been no need for Policestations, policemen or

courts or dispensers of justices. Just having

satsanga mandals in every lane of India would

have sufficed. But it is not so easy. All

of all Hindus,of us cannot become Buddhas,

and make the abusers see reason, by our calmness.

Your suggestion is taken in right spirit,That we

must self improve instead of trying to

improve others. But we are not trying

to improve others. We are only doing part of

our duty for a better and bigger cause.

If we walk on the road with our family, and

someone eveteases on the ladies of our family, we

are not going to tell the eveteaser that " Man I

am on self improvement mode and self controlling mode,

so please do not look at my ladies " . He will not listen.

He only needs a tight slap or few knocks to understand

the wrong he is doing. I cannot become a good Hindu

by remaining mute, when this happens.

So while appreciating your whole mail, which is

educative, inspiring and coming from a clean heart,

as I can see it, I would still prefer to follow

teachings of Swami Vivekananda or Bhagat Singh,

or Rani Jhansibai or Prithviraj Chauhan or Shivaji

Naharaj, or Netaji S.Bose, but not follow Gandhiji,

for day to day affairs and facing crime.

But of course I would certainly follow Gandhiji

in his utterance and constant practise of Rama nama

Japa, because that has to be the ultimate aim of all

Hindus when one breathes his last, to

utter the name of " Rama " .

Most of us are on self analysis daily ad trying

to improve ourselves in major departments, but does not

mean that when defending ones Dharma, arises,

one has to stay mum.

No,one has to pick up the weapons

and go to the battlefront immediately.

Please do not mind my mail, as I said

I repeat that You are a good man, but each one has

his own way of perceiving things and matter

of individual approach, to solving problems,.

One brother practising self reliance, like yourself,

and spreading good name of Hindu teachings, and

another brother like myself, dealing harshly with

the perpetrators, is the right mix, for Hinduism

to sustain. We will continue our ways, till some

one else takes our seats.

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

Vedic Astrology , Arvind Rampal <rampal108

wrote:

>

> Dear hindu brothers, I understand thoroughly the anger we feel when

many people defame our religion. I was/am a hindu activist in my own

right, but when I see the amount of defamation etc. on hinduism on the

internet, I started losing hope. Like yourself I am not a crime boss,

etc or a policeman etc. and have limited scope of power. I have given

up hope on launching " online wars " trying to stop defamation on our

religion etc. What I have done, though, is on a daily basis try to

improve myself and my spiritual progress, teaching others, being a

good example to my community and to others in general that when

someone says Wow you did a lot of charity or how did you succeed in

this and that endeavour... " I say no, it was this deity or this prayer

that helped me, and it can help you too, or I say, hinduism teaches

one to be self controlled, then I go on to preach about meditation,

yoga , astrology etc. I have seen many people changed in this way,

many take my advice even

> non-hindus start to learn meditation or involve themself in occult

practice and become pagans that follow their own gods, ie. Isis, Gaia

or deities of pagan religions, eventually they start beliving in

re-incarnation, medtiation, and are more or less following hindu

practices even if they dont know it. My advice is that, do whatever we

can with whatever capabilities we have in order to preserve and

maintain our great religion. I used to be angry and zealous at a

time, but I realized, it doesnt accomplish much. Online there is just

too much anti-hindu propoganda, focus on ourselves, uplifting

ourselves, improving ourselves, and then being an example to the world

of what a good hindu is or acts like.

> Take care and god bless.

> Jai Shiva Shankara Mahadeva!

> Maha bholenath ki Jaya!

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Ramjee,

>

> " kadar man kahun ek adhara

> Dev Dev aalasi pukara "

>

> I agree that harsh language does not serve the purpose.

> But when one feels helpless against these vermins of

> society, and is not able to come forth with strong

> measures to contain such people,due to secular laws

> in our country, then such expressions come forward.

>

> I wish that this man is booked and made to pay for

> his sins, this great sin he has committed against our

> religion and the Lord, I wish I was some mafia Don or

> in Crime Branch and had some powers to show

> this fellow what happens when you talk like this.

>

> Being a householder and a common middleclass person

> with our own typical set of individual problems,

> we people have to think before every step we take.

> Hence I was calling all the people sitting in good

> positions and powerful, from whom we could expect

> some action on this man.

>

> " Binay na manat jaldhi jad gaye teen din beeti

> bole Ram sakop tab bhay binu hoi na preeti "

>

> " As kahi Raghupati chaap chadhava

> yah mat Lakshman ke man bhava " .

>

> kaun hai yahan par joh Dhanush par baan chadha kar

> is dusht ko akkal sikha sakta hai aur dhool chata

> sakta hai ?

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> Vedic Astrology , Ramjee S <s.ramjee@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > your reaction is understandable. You are quick

> temperea like Lakshmana. Use of harsh language will not serve the

> mission of giving the trouth and richness of our noble HINDU culture.

> Let us join and start discussion on true sanathana dharma and

> virtues of ramayana.

> >

> > I request other members of this group to join in

> raising our voice blasphemy. ALL ARE WELCOME

> > JAIRAM

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > One Rascal masquerading as a astrologer,Sreenadh,

> > in his own Forum, has mentioned in an article written by

> > himself,in a translation done by himself on shlokas written

> > by himself or on paying money to poor Sanskrit knowers,

> > on Birth of Rama, that

> > Rama was born when his mother Kaushalya had sex with a horse

> > for one full night. His Forums name is

> >

> > Can we keep quiet with this bastards claim, as such,

> > about our God and His Mother ?

> > Wake up and kill this rascal, immediately.

> > How dare he spoil our new generations and the foreigners

> > with all this bakwass.

> > He has committed a heinous crime for

> > which the only punishment is to

> > kill him.

> > No other punishment should suffice.

> > How many are there to support me ?

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

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October 28, 2007

Dear brothers, you would have read mails of Sri Bhasker and Sri Arvind. Both are right in their own style. The bottom line is that time has come to show the solidarity. Mogul empire followed by british empire have done enough damages to our heritage and culture. Present democratic (sic...) system for the sake of vote bank is having a different defination for secularism which is causing more damage than both empires put to gether. As if it not enough now this electronic media is being used by some group is misbehaving. Sri Bhasker has brought one of such incident to your notice and his intention is to make it clear such blasphemy will not be tolarated by any true hindu. Let us use the

same electronic media to teach them a lesson so that no one will dare to indulge in such activities. JAIRAMBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Arvindji,I appreciate your views and feel thatYou are a good man, practising tolerancelike Gandhiji and other great men.I am not as good as You, with less tolerancelevels, which may need to seemore seasons to mature. For me it is a simplerule, that some people do not understand the language of sweet words,they only understandthe

swift move of the sword. We will leavethis case seperate, but if all people wereto understand the language of scripturesand the teachings therein, then there would have been no need for Policestations, policemen or courts or dispensers of justices. Just having satsanga mandals in every lane of India wouldhave sufficed. But it is not so easy. Allof all Hindus,of us cannot become Buddhas, and make the abusers see reason, by our calmness.Your suggestion is taken in right spirit,That we must self improve instead of trying toimprove others. But we are not tryingto improve others. We are only doing part ofour duty for a better and bigger cause.If we walk on the road with our family, andsomeone eveteases on the ladies of our family, we are not going to tell the eveteaser that "Man Iam on self improvement mode and self controlling mode,so please do not look at my ladies". He will not listen.He only

needs a tight slap or few knocks to understand the wrong he is doing. I cannot become a good Hinduby remaining mute, when this happens. So while appreciating your whole mail, which iseducative, inspiring and coming from a clean heart, as I can see it, I would still prefer to followteachings of Swami Vivekananda or Bhagat Singh,or Rani Jhansibai or Prithviraj Chauhan or ShivajiNaharaj, or Netaji S.Bose, but not follow Gandhiji,for day to day affairs and facing crime.But of course I would certainly follow Gandhijiin his utterance and constant practise of Rama namaJapa, because that has to be the ultimate aim of allHindus when one breathes his last, toutter the name of "Rama".Most of us are on self analysis daily ad tryingto improve ourselves in major departments, but does notmean that when defending ones Dharma, arises,one has to stay mum.No,one has to pick up the weaponsand go to the

battlefront immediately.Please do not mind my mail, as I saidI repeat that You are a good man, but each one hashis own way of perceiving things and matterof individual approach, to solving problems,.One brother practising self reliance, like yourself,and spreading good name of Hindu teachings, and another brother like myself, dealing harshly withthe perpetrators, is the right mix, for Hinduism to sustain. We will continue our ways, till someone else takes our seats.kind regards,Bhaskar.Vedic Astrology , Arvind Rampal <rampal108wrote:>> Dear hindu brothers, I understand thoroughly the anger we feel whenmany people defame our religion. I was/am a hindu activist in my ownright, but when I see the amount of defamation etc. on hinduism on theinternet, I started losing hope. Like

yourself I am not a crime boss,etc or a policeman etc. and have limited scope of power. I have givenup hope on launching "online wars" trying to stop defamation on ourreligion etc. What I have done, though, is on a daily basis try toimprove myself and my spiritual progress, teaching others, being agood example to my community and to others in general that whensomeone says Wow you did a lot of charity or how did you succeed inthis and that endeavour..." I say no, it was this deity or this prayerthat helped me, and it can help you too, or I say, hinduism teachesone to be self controlled, then I go on to preach about meditation,yoga , astrology etc. I have seen many people changed in this way,many take my advice even> non-hindus start to learn meditation or involve themself in occultpractice and become pagans that follow their own gods, ie. Isis, Gaiaor deities of pagan religions, eventually they start beliving

inre-incarnation, medtiation, and are more or less following hindupractices even if they dont know it. My advice is that, do whatever wecan with whatever capabilities we have in order to preserve andmaintain our great religion. I used to be angry and zealous at atime, but I realized, it doesnt accomplish much. Online there is justtoo much anti-hindu propoganda, focus on ourselves, upliftingourselves, improving ourselves, and then being an example to the worldof what a good hindu is or acts like.> Take care and god bless.> Jai Shiva Shankara Mahadeva!> Maha bholenath ki Jaya!> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> Dear Ramjee,> > "kadar man kahun ek adhara> Dev Dev aalasi pukara "> > I agree that harsh language does not serve the purpose.> But when one feels helpless against these vermins of > society, and is not able to come forth

with strong> measures to contain such people,due to secular laws> in our country, then such expressions come forward.> > I wish that this man is booked and made to pay for> his sins, this great sin he has committed against our> religion and the Lord, I wish I was some mafia Don or> in Crime Branch and had some powers to show> this fellow what happens when you talk like this.> > Being a householder and a common middleclass person> with our own typical set of individual problems,> we people have to think before every step we take.> Hence I was calling all the people sitting in good > positions and powerful, from whom we could expect> some action on this man. > > "Binay na manat jaldhi jad gaye teen din beeti> bole Ram sakop tab bhay binu hoi na preeti"> > "As kahi Raghupati chaap chadhava> yah mat Lakshman ke man bhava".>

> kaun hai yahan par joh Dhanush par baan chadha kar > is dusht ko akkal sikha sakta hai aur dhool chata > sakta hai ?> > regards,> Bhaskar.> > Vedic Astrology , Ramjee S <s.ramjee@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > your reaction is understandable. You are quick> temperea like Lakshmana. Use of harsh language will not serve the> mission of giving the trouth and richness of our noble HINDU culture.> Let us join and start discussion on true sanathana dharma and > virtues of ramayana.> > > > I request other members of this group to join in> raising our voice blasphemy. ALL ARE WELCOME> > JAIRAM> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > Dear Friends,> >

> > One Rascal masquerading as a astrologer,Sreenadh,> > in his own Forum, has mentioned in an article written by > > himself,in a translation done by himself on shlokas written > > by himself or on paying money to poor Sanskrit knowers,> > on Birth of Rama, that> > Rama was born when his mother Kaushalya had sex with a horse > > for one full night. His Forums name is > > > > Can we keep quiet with this bastards claim, as such,> > about our God and His Mother ?> > Wake up and kill this rascal, immediately.> > How dare he spoil our new generations and the foreigners> > with all this bakwass.> > He has committed a heinous crime for> > which the only punishment is to> > kill him.> > No other punishment should suffice.> > How many are there to support me ?>

> > > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sick of deleting your inbox? 7 Mail has free unlimitedstorage. Get it now.>

October 30, 2007

Dear Arvind Bhai,

// I used to be angry and zealous at a time, but I realized,

it doesnt accomplish much //

Well that fellow has removed the article from his

Forum, which created all this furore.

Thanks and regards,