Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Dear Rahul, I think Islam forbids belief in astrology and prediction of future. I realize there is what is known as Arabian Astrology and Tajik but perhaps those predated Islam. So it is confusing why your friend wishes to ride two boats at the same time? Perhaps she should explore remedies such as fasting, service and charity, all of which are not only permitted but highly encouraged by Islam! Perhaps her jyotishis can consider that when prescribing remedies. RR vedic astrology , " rahul " <rahul34uk wrote: > > i need advice for a good friend of mine, basically she is a muslim, but has KSY (kal sarp yoga), but she does not want the poojas done in the hindu faith, as she belives that is not having full faith in her religion, which is sin according to islam, she has been to many muslim astrologist but they tell her its blackmagic and they just want lots of money, it there anyone out there who can help her?? she is truely gone thru a bad time > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Dear Rohini, One can say both yes and no to Islam's belief in astrology. All the Semitic religions, whether it is Judaism or Christianity or Islam, believe in the Old tastament of the Bible and in the Genesis we find the mention of the signs of the heaven, which is nothing but astrology. Further the ancient oracles were nothing but what the stars told to the select few, who knew the language of the stars. Now coming to the puja of the gods we have to remember that the poet Iqbal said that the Hindu gods are the faristaas (angels) of Islam. In Islam it is not forbidden to seek the help of the faristaas but faristaas can help only with the assent of God. I hope this will solve the dilemma of the hapless muslim sister. Best wishes, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani [vedic astrology] Re: muslim and vedic astrology vedic astrology Monday, July 27, 2009, 5:16 PM Dear Rahul, I think Islam forbids belief in astrology and prediction of future. I realize there is what is known as Arabian Astrology and Tajik but perhaps those predated Islam. So it is confusing why your friend wishes to ride two boats at the same time? Perhaps she should explore remedies such as fasting, service and charity, all of which are not only permitted but highly encouraged by Islam! Perhaps her jyotishis can consider that when prescribing remedies. RR vedic astrology, " rahul " <rahul34uk@. ..> wrote: > > i need advice for a good friend of mine, basically she is a muslim, but has KSY (kal sarp yoga), but she does not want the poojas done in the hindu faith, as she belives that is not having full faith in her religion, which is sin according to islam, she has been to many muslim astrologist but they tell her its blackmagic and they just want lots of money, it there anyone out there who can help her?? she is truely gone thru a bad time > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 dear friends this subject is interesting since i dealt in it for a decade or so and one of my gurus is a muslim peer who taught me various muslim mantras, yantras and other remedies acceptable by islam. firstly, you may assume that almost all muslim tantriks or babas who advertise and offer paid services are cheaters. but there are few muslim peers and babas who live in dargas, masjids and even in khabaristans who do not charge a single paisa but offer various remedies, mantras, yantras, blessings etc. to whosoever approach them and almost all of them are like godsent and the natives stand benefited. natives may, out of their own respect and gratitude donate goods or monies to them which normally are taken by their servants etc. one muslim peer whose father was a great peer himself taught me so many things and many hindu as well as muslim natives used to visit him and they used to prepared food and tea for all the visitors. so some visitors started donating for these expenses etc. otherwise he never asked nor his servants asked one paisa from any native ever. muslims do believe in planets and the whole and sole driver of muslim calendar is planet moon. the crescent moon and the star are the representatin of islamic belief which flag flutters atop all muslim holy places. however, their scriptures impose that only allah i.e. god has the superimposing power of any and everything in the world. this is the dichotomy many followers of islam face but the peers of islam are practicing remedies in the form of mantras, yantras, tantras, objects etc., for decades and any muslim can safely assume that it is not unislamic to follow jyotish remedies. as regards the muslim sister who is having ksy, i recommend to do the following simple remedies which are comfortable and are within islamic practice: 1. donate chappals and umbrellas to poor people on a sunday. 2. offer food to blind peple in a blind home on a sunday. 3. put red roses or the petals of a red rose in a water bowl in the drawing room daily. the above two simple remedies done once and the third simple one daily would surely help her come out of the negative affliction from ksy or half blind chart. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > One can say both yes and no to Islam's belief in astrology. All the Semitic religions, whether it is Judaism or Christianity or Islam, believe in the Old tastament of the Bible and in the Genesis we find the mention of the signs of the heaven, which is nothing but astrology. Further the ancient oracles were nothing but what the stars told to the select few, who knew the language of the stars. > > Now coming to the puja of the gods we have to remember that the poet Iqbal said that the Hindu gods are the faristaas (angels) of Islam. In Islam it is not forbidden to seek the help of the faristaas but faristaas can help only with the assent of God. > > I hope this will solve the dilemma of the hapless muslim sister. > > Best wishes, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > [vedic astrology] Re: muslim and vedic astrology > vedic astrology > Monday, July 27, 2009, 5:16 PM > > > > > > > Dear Rahul, > > I think Islam forbids belief in astrology and prediction of future. I realize there is what is known as Arabian Astrology and Tajik but perhaps those predated Islam. > > So it is confusing why your friend wishes to ride two boats at the same time? > > Perhaps she should explore remedies such as fasting, service and charity, all of which are not only permitted but highly encouraged by Islam! > > Perhaps her jyotishis can consider that when prescribing remedies. > > RR > > vedic astrology, " rahul " <rahul34uk@ ..> wrote: > > > > i need advice for a good friend of mine, basically she is a muslim, but has KSY (kal sarp yoga), but she does not want the poojas done in the hindu faith, as she belives that is not having full faith in her religion, which is sin according to islam, she has been to many muslim astrologist but they tell her its blackmagic and they just want lots of money, it there anyone out there who can help her?? she is truely gone thru a bad time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 i need advice for a good friend of mine, basically she is a muslim, but has KSY (kal sarp yoga), but she does not want the poojas done in the hindu faith, as she belives that is not having full faith in her religion, which is sin according to islam, she has been to many muslim astrologist but they tell her its blackmagic and they just want lots of money, it there anyone out there who can help her?? she is truely gone thru a bad time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 The pooja for kal sarp dosha does not require one to worship a god. It is meant to recite mantras which will remove the bad effect of rahu-ketu axis. So I dont think she would be doing any injustice to her faith and religion by performing the ritual. Ask her not to bow to any idol while in the premises of the temple and concentrate her mind towards rahu-ketu. During pooja, she should think to herself " may the ill effect of KSY be gone from my life. " I think that should help her. Astrology is not based on any religion. It is an ancient Indian science which took account of planets on one's life. Since ancient Indian language is Sanskrit, most of the work, including the rituals are in Sanskrit. --- On Mon, 7/27/09, rahul <rahul34uk wrote: rahul <rahul34uk [vedic astrology] muslim and vedic astrology vedic astrology Monday, July 27, 2009, 3:24 PM i need advice for a good friend of mine, basically she is a muslim, but has KSY (kal sarp yoga), but she does not want the poojas done in the hindu faith, as she belives that is not having full faith in her religion, which is sin according to islam, she has been to many muslim astrologist but they tell her its blackmagic and they just want lots of money, it there anyone out there who can help her?? she is truely gone thru a bad time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I think there are some rituals also to appease the Nag-devata? --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Kan Chak <kanvarthy wrote: Kan Chak <kanvarthy Re: [vedic astrology] muslim and vedic astrology vedic astrology Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 12:32 AM The pooja for kal sarp dosha does not require one to worship a god. It is meant to recite mantras which will remove the bad effect of rahu-ketu axis. So I dont think she would be doing any injustice to her faith and religion by performing the ritual. Ask her not to bow to any idol while in the premises of the temple and concentrate her mind towards rahu-ketu. During pooja, she should think to herself " may the ill effect of KSY be gone from my life. " I think that should help her. Astrology is not based on any religion. It is an ancient Indian science which took account of planets on one's life. Since ancient Indian language is Sanskrit, most of the work, including the rituals are in Sanskrit. --- On Mon, 7/27/09, rahul <rahul34uk (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: rahul <rahul34uk (AT) (DOT) co.uk> [vedic astrology] muslim and vedic astrology vedic astrology Monday, July 27, 2009, 3:24 PM i need advice for a good friend of mine, basically she is a muslim, but has KSY (kal sarp yoga), but she does not want the poojas done in the hindu faith, as she belives that is not having full faith in her religion, which is sin according to islam, she has been to many muslim astrologist but they tell her its blackmagic and they just want lots of money, it there anyone out there who can help her?? she is truely gone thru a bad time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 hello sir ,pls may i know that mantras..for ksy On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya < sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > > I think there are some rituals also to appease the Nag-devata? > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Kan Chak <kanvarthy <kanvarthy%40>> > wrote: > > Kan Chak <kanvarthy <kanvarthy%40>> > Re: [vedic astrology] muslim and vedic astrology > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 12:32 AM > > > > The pooja for kal sarp dosha does not require one to worship a god. It is > meant to recite mantras which will remove the bad effect of rahu-ketu axis. > So I dont think she would be doing any injustice to her faith and religion > by performing the ritual. Ask her not to bow to any idol while in the > premises of the temple and concentrate her mind towards rahu-ketu. During > pooja, she should think to herself " may the ill effect of KSY be gone from > my life. " I think that should help her. > Astrology is not based on any religion. It is an ancient Indian science > which took account of planets on one's life. Since ancient Indian language > is Sanskrit, most of the work, including the rituals are in Sanskrit. > > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, rahul <rahul34uk (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > rahul <rahul34uk (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > [vedic astrology] muslim and vedic astrology > vedic astrology > Monday, July 27, 2009, 3:24 PM > > > > i need advice for a good friend of mine, basically she is a muslim, but has > KSY (kal sarp yoga), but she does not want the poojas done in the hindu > faith, as she belives that is not having full faith in her religion, which > is sin according to islam, she has been to many muslim astrologist but they > tell her its blackmagic and they just want lots of money, it there anyone > out there who can help her?? she is truely gone thru a bad time > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 fasting, charity etc are not the answers for KSY, those will help in karma only --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani [vedic astrology] Re: muslim and vedic astrology vedic astrology Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 1:16 AM Dear Rahul, I think Islam forbids belief in astrology and prediction of future. I realize there is what is known as Arabian Astrology and Tajik but perhaps those predated Islam. So it is confusing why your friend wishes to ride two boats at the same time? Perhaps she should explore remedies such as fasting, service and charity, all of which are not only permitted but highly encouraged by Islam! Perhaps her jyotishis can consider that when prescribing remedies. RR vedic astrology, " rahul " <rahul34uk@. ..> wrote: > > i need advice for a good friend of mine, basically she is a muslim, but has KSY (kal sarp yoga), but she does not want the poojas done in the hindu faith, as she belives that is not having full faith in her religion, which is sin according to islam, she has been to many muslim astrologist but they tell her its blackmagic and they just want lots of money, it there anyone out there who can help her?? she is truely gone thru a bad time > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Oh really! Where does this KSY arrive in your kundali then, if not through past karma? Now I realize that many astrologers claim that KSY is a figment of imagination, while others immediately put the shutters down and close shop, kind of like what happens in some places when one sees 'rioteers' approaching in their Galee, Mohalla! And, if KSY is not generated by past karma (other lifetimes!) then maybe it is so huge and unfathomable (as many have tried to oversell it as...) that we might as well just curl up, give up and leave society and become monks, all of us! Remember a simple adage -- When the punishment becomes greater than the ORIGINAL SIN and the actual consequential suffering, people begin to question the LAW and I think that is what is happening to KSY in relatively modern times! Sometimes it takes years, decades, generations and so on! Perhaps KSY is not simply a Curse to be carried like some CROSS forever but simply a HISTORICAL LANDMARK of injustice in the past or past arrogance punished -- a scar that just reminds us of past mistakes and infractions and not so much a punishment that awaits us in the future or forever! Just a scar to remind us not to repeat our mistakes, again! I am sure what I am talking about -- once you move away from individuals and begin to focus on nations! RR vedic astrology , rahul soni <rahul34uk wrote: > > fasting, charity etc are not the answers for KSY, those will help in karma only > > --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > [vedic astrology] Re: muslim and vedic astrology > vedic astrology > Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 1:16 AM > > > > > > > Dear Rahul, > > I think Islam forbids belief in astrology and prediction of future. I realize there is what is known as Arabian Astrology and Tajik but perhaps those predated Islam. > > So it is confusing why your friend wishes to ride two boats at the same time? > > Perhaps she should explore remedies such as fasting, service and charity, all of which are not only permitted but highly encouraged by Islam! > > Perhaps her jyotishis can consider that when prescribing remedies. > > RR > > vedic astrology, " rahul " <rahul34uk@ ..> wrote: > > > > i need advice for a good friend of mine, basically she is a muslim, but has KSY (kal sarp yoga), but she does not want the poojas done in the hindu faith, as she belives that is not having full faith in her religion, which is sin according to islam, she has been to many muslim astrologist but they tell her its blackmagic and they just want lots of money, it there anyone out there who can help her?? she is truely gone thru a bad time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 try clearer english and say what you mean, dont beat abt the bush, --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani [vedic astrology] Re: muslim and vedic astrology vedic astrology Wednesday, 29 July, 2009, 2:12 AM Oh really! Where does this KSY arrive in your kundali then, if not through past karma? Now I realize that many astrologers claim that KSY is a figment of imagination, while others immediately put the shutters down and close shop, kind of like what happens in some places when one sees 'rioteers' approaching in their Galee, Mohalla! And, if KSY is not generated by past karma (other lifetimes!) then maybe it is so huge and unfathomable (as many have tried to oversell it as...) that we might as well just curl up, give up and leave society and become monks, all of us! Remember a simple adage -- When the punishment becomes greater than the ORIGINAL SIN and the actual consequential suffering, people begin to question the LAW and I think that is what is happening to KSY in relatively modern times! Sometimes it takes years, decades, generations and so on! Perhaps KSY is not simply a Curse to be carried like some CROSS forever but simply a HISTORICAL LANDMARK of injustice in the past or past arrogance punished -- a scar that just reminds us of past mistakes and infractions and not so much a punishment that awaits us in the future or forever! Just a scar to remind us not to repeat our mistakes, again! I am sure what I am talking about -- once you move away from individuals and begin to focus on nations! RR vedic astrology, rahul soni <rahul34uk@. ..> wrote: > > fasting, charity etc are not the answers for KSY, those will help in karma only > > --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > [vedic astrology] Re: muslim and vedic astrology > vedic astrology > Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 1:16 AM > > > > > > > Dear Rahul, > > I think Islam forbids belief in astrology and prediction of future. I realize there is what is known as Arabian Astrology and Tajik but perhaps those predated Islam. > > So it is confusing why your friend wishes to ride two boats at the same time? > > Perhaps she should explore remedies such as fasting, service and charity, all of which are not only permitted but highly encouraged by Islam! > > Perhaps her jyotishis can consider that when prescribing remedies. > > RR > > vedic astrology, " rahul " <rahul34uk@ ..> wrote: > > > > i need advice for a good friend of mine, basically she is a muslim, but has KSY (kal sarp yoga), but she does not want the poojas done in the hindu faith, as she belives that is not having full faith in her religion, which is sin according to islam, she has been to many muslim astrologist but they tell her its blackmagic and they just want lots of money, it there anyone out there who can help her?? she is truely gone thru a bad time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 You sound angry and upset! Something I said...? RR vedic astrology , rahul soni <rahul34uk wrote: > > try clearer english and say what you mean, dont beat abt the bush, > > --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > [vedic astrology] Re: muslim and vedic astrology > vedic astrology > Wednesday, 29 July, 2009, 2:12 AM > > > > > > > Oh really! Where does this KSY arrive in your kundali then, if not through past karma? > > Now I realize that many astrologers claim that KSY is a figment of imagination, while others immediately put the shutters down and close shop, kind of like what happens in some places when one sees 'rioteers' approaching in their Galee, Mohalla! > > And, if KSY is not generated by past karma (other lifetimes!) then maybe it is so huge and unfathomable (as many have tried to oversell it as...) that we might as well just curl up, give up and leave society and become monks, all of us! > > Remember a simple adage -- When the punishment becomes greater than the ORIGINAL SIN and the actual consequential suffering, people begin to question the LAW and I think that is what is happening to KSY in relatively modern times! Sometimes it takes years, decades, generations and so on! Perhaps KSY is not simply a Curse to be carried like some CROSS forever but simply a HISTORICAL LANDMARK of injustice in the past or past arrogance punished -- a scar that just reminds us of past mistakes and infractions and not so much a punishment that awaits us in the future or forever! Just a scar to remind us not to repeat our mistakes, again! > > I am sure what I am talking about -- once you move away from individuals and begin to focus on nations! > > RR > > vedic astrology, rahul soni <rahul34uk@ ..> wrote: > > > > fasting, charity etc are not the answers for KSY, those will help in karma only > > > > --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > [vedic astrology] Re: muslim and vedic astrology > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 1:16 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rahul, > > > > I think Islam forbids belief in astrology and prediction of future. I realize there is what is known as Arabian Astrology and Tajik but perhaps those predated Islam. > > > > So it is confusing why your friend wishes to ride two boats at the same time? > > > > Perhaps she should explore remedies such as fasting, service and charity, all of which are not only permitted but highly encouraged by Islam! > > > > Perhaps her jyotishis can consider that when prescribing remedies. > > > > RR > > > > vedic astrology, " rahul " <rahul34uk@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > i need advice for a good friend of mine, basically she is a muslim, but has KSY (kal sarp yoga), but she does not want the poojas done in the hindu faith, as she belives that is not having full faith in her religion, which is sin according to islam, she has been to many muslim astrologist but they tell her its blackmagic and they just want lots of money, it there anyone out there who can help her?? she is truely gone thru a bad time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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