Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Hello Amit, Raj and Riz Khan, Strong nodal influence or the influence of MMP on the fifth house with weak Mercury does create such situations where people believe events attributed to black magic. So, there are people who will swear for this and yet others who won't believe. The wearer knows where the shoe pinches. So persistent astral remedies have been able to solve some cases for me 4/5 years back. Those who adopt preventive remedies won't suffer from the fear of black magic. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com - " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6 <satva > Monday, June 20, 2005 8:37 PM [satva] Re: [Rizkhan] i hope that all members will share with khowledge on this topic > > > Hello Riz and Raj, > > I too personally believe that Magic can be only at the physical > level, an illusion , but black magic is still debatable. > Wishfull thinking is something i am experimenting on and people with > the right planetary configuration, example, strong 11th house and > lord, strong ascendant and strong 3rd house and lord, 4th or 5th > house and strong jupiter and sun and their interplay can to some > extent make someone have strong wishfull thinking, which can border > on what may seem to be like generating bad or good for other people > based on wishes. > The realization of this is a powerful tool and I may be entirely > wrong. > > regards > Amit > > > satva , rizwan khan <rizkhan_786> wrote: >> i dont agree with you >> magic is fact and people do that >> it is your experience and i dont wand to agru e with u on this thing >> >> regards >> >> bye >> >> raj shekhar sharma <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: >> Hello Rizkhan >> >> Hope this finds you in good health and spirits. >> >> I, personally, do not believe in any thing like black-magic. A > number of >> people, visiting me, first started narrating their problems due to > black >> magic kinda apprehensions, but eventually they were made to > understand that >> no such thing is actually capable of infuencing human life in any > way. >> >> On some occassions, I have offered myself for any kinda experiment > by the >> so-called Tantriks but nothing could be proved. >> It is only when one fails to decipher the real causes/factors and > also >> because people tend to believe more in such things; the myth is > still >> prevailing. >> >> Good Wishes >> >> Raj Shekhar >> >> - >> " rizkhan_786 " <rizkhan_786> >> <satva > >> Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 PM >> [satva] i hope that all members will share with khowledge > on this >> topic >> >> >> > To all respected members i have a question that how a layman > determine >> > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad effect of planets > or some >> > one has done black magic on it because it is fact that people do > black >> > magic , i hope that all memebers participate and share their > khowledge >> > >> > thanks >> > >> > regards >> > >> > rizkhan >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Post message: satva >> > Subscribe: satva- >> > Un: satva- >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Dear Professor, Apart from your observation on people who tend to believe in black magic, what does your observation say on people who knowingly or unknowingly have strong wishful thinking, have you encountered such situations or people where most of their wishes are fulfilled based on the configuration i have mentioned. In SA can we explain such IF observed, by the strength and placement of the signifactors for desire and wishes and fullfilment. In additon Human karma transcends everything, the right objectivity, faith and means to attain it(like remedial measures), should propel one in the right direction, eliminating any illusions. Regards Amit , <siha> wrote: > > Hello Amit, Raj and Riz Khan, > > Strong nodal influence or the influence of MMP on the fifth house with weak > Mercury does create such situations where people believe events attributed > to black magic. So, there are people who will swear for this and yet others > who won't believe. The wearer knows where the shoe pinches. So persistent > astral remedies have been able to solve some cases for me 4/5 years back. > Those who adopt preventive remedies won't suffer from the fear of black > magic. > > Best wishes, > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com > > > - > " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6> > <satva > > Monday, June 20, 2005 8:37 PM > [satva] Re: [Rizkhan] i hope that all members will share with > khowledge on this topic > > > > > > > > Hello Riz and Raj, > > > > I too personally believe that Magic can be only at the physical > > level, an illusion , but black magic is still debatable. > > Wishfull thinking is something i am experimenting on and people with > > the right planetary configuration, example, strong 11th house and > > lord, strong ascendant and strong 3rd house and lord, 4th or 5th > > house and strong jupiter and sun and their interplay can to some > > extent make someone have strong wishfull thinking, which can border > > on what may seem to be like generating bad or good for other people > > based on wishes. > > The realization of this is a powerful tool and I may be entirely > > wrong. > > > > regards > > Amit > > > > > > satva , rizwan khan <rizkhan_786> wrote: > >> i dont agree with you > >> magic is fact and people do that > >> it is your experience and i dont wand to agru e with u on this thing > >> > >> regards > >> > >> bye > >> > >> raj shekhar sharma <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > >> Hello Rizkhan > >> > >> Hope this finds you in good health and spirits. > >> > >> I, personally, do not believe in any thing like black-magic. A > > number of > >> people, visiting me, first started narrating their problems due to > > black > >> magic kinda apprehensions, but eventually they were made to > > understand that > >> no such thing is actually capable of infuencing human life in any > > way. > >> > >> On some occassions, I have offered myself for any kinda experiment > > by the > >> so-called Tantriks but nothing could be proved. > >> It is only when one fails to decipher the real causes/factors and > > also > >> because people tend to believe more in such things; the myth is > > still > >> prevailing. > >> > >> Good Wishes > >> > >> Raj Shekhar > >> > >> - > >> " rizkhan_786 " <rizkhan_786> > >> <satva > > >> Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 PM > >> [satva] i hope that all members will share with khowledge > > on this > >> topic > >> > >> > >> > To all respected members i have a question that how a layman > > determine > >> > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad effect of planets > > or some > >> > one has done black magic on it because it is fact that people do > > black > >> > magic , i hope that all memebers participate and share their > > khowledge > >> > > >> > thanks > >> > > >> > regards > >> > > >> > rizkhan > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Post message: satva > >> > Subscribe: satva- > >> > Un: satva- > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Hello Amit, A strong Sun and/or a strong functional benefic Jupiter bless with wishful thinking and success. In such cases the person does not have to efforts and things happen at their own. You are right that the human karma transcends everything - the right objectivity and faith. The success in employing means to attain these are again indicated in the natal planetary positions. Best wishes, - " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6 Monday, June 20, 2005 9:19 PM Re: [satva] Topic of black magic. > > Dear Professor, > > Apart from your observation on people who tend to believe in black > magic, what does your observation say on people who knowingly or > unknowingly have strong wishful thinking, have you encountered such > situations or people where most of their wishes are fulfilled based > on the configuration i have mentioned. > In SA can we explain such IF observed, by the strength and placement > of the signifactors for desire and wishes and fullfilment. > > In additon Human karma transcends everything, the right objectivity, > faith and means to attain it(like remedial measures), should propel > one in the right direction, eliminating any illusions. > Regards > Amit > > , <siha> wrote: >> >> Hello Amit, Raj and Riz Khan, >> >> Strong nodal influence or the influence of MMP on the fifth house > with weak >> Mercury does create such situations where people believe events > attributed >> to black magic. So, there are people who will swear for this and > yet others >> who won't believe. The wearer knows where the shoe pinches. So > persistent >> astral remedies have been able to solve some cases for me 4/5 years > back. >> Those who adopt preventive remedies won't suffer from the fear of > black >> magic. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> www.YourNetAstrologer.com >> >> >> - >> " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6> >> <satva > >> Monday, June 20, 2005 8:37 PM >> [satva] Re: [Rizkhan] i hope that all members will share > with >> khowledge on this topic >> >> >> > >> > >> > Hello Riz and Raj, >> > >> > I too personally believe that Magic can be only at the physical >> > level, an illusion , but black magic is still debatable. >> > Wishfull thinking is something i am experimenting on and people > with >> > the right planetary configuration, example, strong 11th house and >> > lord, strong ascendant and strong 3rd house and lord, 4th or 5th >> > house and strong jupiter and sun and their interplay can to some >> > extent make someone have strong wishfull thinking, which can > border >> > on what may seem to be like generating bad or good for other > people >> > based on wishes. >> > The realization of this is a powerful tool and I may be entirely >> > wrong. >> > >> > regards >> > Amit >> > >> > >> > satva , rizwan khan <rizkhan_786> > wrote: >> >> i dont agree with you >> >> magic is fact and people do that >> >> it is your experience and i dont wand to agru e with u on this > thing >> >> >> >> regards >> >> >> >> bye >> >> >> >> raj shekhar sharma <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: >> >> Hello Rizkhan >> >> >> >> Hope this finds you in good health and spirits. >> >> >> >> I, personally, do not believe in any thing like black-magic. A >> > number of >> >> people, visiting me, first started narrating their problems due > to >> > black >> >> magic kinda apprehensions, but eventually they were made to >> > understand that >> >> no such thing is actually capable of infuencing human life in any >> > way. >> >> >> >> On some occassions, I have offered myself for any kinda > experiment >> > by the >> >> so-called Tantriks but nothing could be proved. >> >> It is only when one fails to decipher the real causes/factors and >> > also >> >> because people tend to believe more in such things; the myth is >> > still >> >> prevailing. >> >> >> >> Good Wishes >> >> >> >> Raj Shekhar >> >> >> >> - >> >> " rizkhan_786 " <rizkhan_786> >> >> <satva > >> >> Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 PM >> >> [satva] i hope that all members will share with > khowledge >> > on this >> >> topic >> >> >> >> >> >> > To all respected members i have a question that how a layman >> > determine >> >> > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad effect of planets >> > or some >> >> > one has done black magic on it because it is fact that people > do >> > black >> >> > magic , i hope that all memebers participate and share their >> > khowledge >> >> > >> >> > thanks >> >> > >> >> > regards >> >> > >> >> > rizkhan >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Post message: satva >> >> > Subscribe: satva- >> >> > Un: satva- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Respected Shri VKC, Amit and Rizkhan May this finds you all in best of health and spirits. Thanks Prof. VKC for your valuable guidacne. I have following to say about Amit's views: People's believe in something is not sufficient enough to make that matter a real one. We can believe in a lot of things as per our understanding and intelligence, but it is not necessary for the thing to exist. Those who can propel wishful thinking can not independently influence the other person without his willingness to be influenced. Secondly, it is only after a very high level of meditation that a person can have intuitive powers/qualities and that too can not be used to cause any harm, in any case. Very often, the thing called co-incident is used to describe such things. Regards to all Raj Shekhar - amit_patnaik6 Monday, June 20, 2005 9:19 PM Re: [satva] Topic of black magic. Dear Professor,Apart from your observation on people who tend to believe in black magic, what does your observation say on people who knowingly or unknowingly have strong wishful thinking, have you encountered such situations or people where most of their wishes are fulfilled based on the configuration i have mentioned.In SA can we explain such IF observed, by the strength and placement of the signifactors for desire and wishes and fullfilment.In additon Human karma transcends everything, the right objectivity, faith and means to attain it(like remedial measures), should propel one in the right direction, eliminating any illusions.RegardsAmit , <siha> wrote:> > Hello Amit, Raj and Riz Khan,> > Strong nodal influence or the influence of MMP on the fifth house with weak > Mercury does create such situations where people believe events attributed > to black magic. So, there are people who will swear for this and yet others > who won't believe. The wearer knows where the shoe pinches. So persistent > astral remedies have been able to solve some cases for me 4/5 years back. > Those who adopt preventive remedies won't suffer from the fear of black > magic.> > Best wishes,> > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com> > > - > "amit_patnaik6" <amit_patnaik6>> <satva >> Monday, June 20, 2005 8:37 PM> [satva] Re: [Rizkhan] i hope that all members will share with > khowledge on this topic> > > >> >> > Hello Riz and Raj,> >> > I too personally believe that Magic can be only at the physical> > level, an illusion , but black magic is still debatable.> > Wishfull thinking is something i am experimenting on and people with> > the right planetary configuration, example, strong 11th house and> > lord, strong ascendant and strong 3rd house and lord, 4th or 5th> > house and strong jupiter and sun and their interplay can to some> > extent make someone have strong wishfull thinking, which can border> > on what may seem to be like generating bad or good for other people> > based on wishes.> > The realization of this is a powerful tool and I may be entirely> > wrong.> >> > regards> > Amit> >> >> > satva , rizwan khan <rizkhan_786> wrote:> >> i dont agree with you> >> magic is fact and people do that> >> it is your experience and i dont wand to agru e with u on this thing> >>> >> regards> >>> >> bye> >>> >> raj shekhar sharma <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:> >> Hello Rizkhan> >>> >> Hope this finds you in good health and spirits.> >>> >> I, personally, do not believe in any thing like black-magic. A> > number of> >> people, visiting me, first started narrating their problems due to> > black> >> magic kinda apprehensions, but eventually they were made to> > understand that> >> no such thing is actually capable of infuencing human life in any> > way.> >>> >> On some occassions, I have offered myself for any kinda experiment> > by the> >> so-called Tantriks but nothing could be proved.> >> It is only when one fails to decipher the real causes/factors and> > also> >> because people tend to believe more in such things; the myth is> > still> >> prevailing.> >>> >> Good Wishes> >>> >> Raj Shekhar> >>> >> -> >> "rizkhan_786" <rizkhan_786>> >> <satva >> >> Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 PM> >> [satva] i hope that all members will share with khowledge> > on this> >> topic> >>> >>> >> > To all respected members i have a question that how a layman> > determine> >> > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad effect of planets> > or some> >> > one has done black magic on it because it is fact that people do> > black> >> > magic , i hope that all memebers participate and share their> > khowledge> >> >> >> > thanks> >> >> >> > regards> >> >> >> > rizkhan> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Post message: satva > >> > Subscribe: satva- > >> > Un: satva- > >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Dear Raj, I shall answer more later, but to tell you, Coincidence is an event occuring once a few times or a dozen times, not most times. Then its not a coincidence anymore. I will explain to you exactly what i mean later, as it seems you have understood it very literally and hence misunderstood:) Take care AMit , " raj shekhar sharma " <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > Respected Shri VKC, Amit and Rizkhan > > May this finds you all in best of health and spirits. > > Thanks Prof. VKC for your valuable guidacne. I have following to say about Amit's views: > > People's believe in something is not sufficient enough to make that matter a real one. > We can believe in a lot of things as per our understanding and intelligence, but it is not necessary for the thing to exist. > Those who can propel wishful thinking can not independently influence the other person without his willingness to be influenced. > Secondly, it is only after a very high level of meditation that a person can have intuitive powers/qualities and that too can not be used to cause any harm, in any case. > Very often, the thing called co-incident is used to describe such things. > > Regards to all > > Raj Shekhar > > > - > amit_patnaik6 > > Monday, June 20, 2005 9:19 PM > Re: [satva] Topic of black magic. > > > > Dear Professor, > > Apart from your observation on people who tend to believe in black > magic, what does your observation say on people who knowingly or > unknowingly have strong wishful thinking, have you encountered such > situations or people where most of their wishes are fulfilled based > on the configuration i have mentioned. > In SA can we explain such IF observed, by the strength and placement > of the signifactors for desire and wishes and fullfilment. > > In additon Human karma transcends everything, the right objectivity, > faith and means to attain it(like remedial measures), should propel > one in the right direction, eliminating any illusions. > Regards > Amit > > , <siha> wrote: > > > > Hello Amit, Raj and Riz Khan, > > > > Strong nodal influence or the influence of MMP on the fifth house > with weak > > Mercury does create such situations where people believe events > attributed > > to black magic. So, there are people who will swear for this and > yet others > > who won't believe. The wearer knows where the shoe pinches. So > persistent > > astral remedies have been able to solve some cases for me 4/5 years > back. > > Those who adopt preventive remedies won't suffer from the fear of > black > > magic. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com > > > > > > - > > " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6> > > <satva > > > Monday, June 20, 2005 8:37 PM > > [satva] Re: [Rizkhan] i hope that all members will share > with > > khowledge on this topic > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Riz and Raj, > > > > > > I too personally believe that Magic can be only at the physical > > > level, an illusion , but black magic is still debatable. > > > Wishfull thinking is something i am experimenting on and people > with > > > the right planetary configuration, example, strong 11th house and > > > lord, strong ascendant and strong 3rd house and lord, 4th or 5th > > > house and strong jupiter and sun and their interplay can to some > > > extent make someone have strong wishfull thinking, which can > border > > > on what may seem to be like generating bad or good for other > people > > > based on wishes. > > > The realization of this is a powerful tool and I may be entirely > > > wrong. > > > > > > regards > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > satva , rizwan khan <rizkhan_786> > wrote: > > >> i dont agree with you > > >> magic is fact and people do that > > >> it is your experience and i dont wand to agru e with u on this > thing > > >> > > >> regards > > >> > > >> bye > > >> > > >> raj shekhar sharma <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > >> Hello Rizkhan > > >> > > >> Hope this finds you in good health and spirits. > > >> > > >> I, personally, do not believe in any thing like black-magic. A > > > number of > > >> people, visiting me, first started narrating their problems due > to > > > black > > >> magic kinda apprehensions, but eventually they were made to > > > understand that > > >> no such thing is actually capable of infuencing human life in any > > > way. > > >> > > >> On some occassions, I have offered myself for any kinda > experiment > > > by the > > >> so-called Tantriks but nothing could be proved. > > >> It is only when one fails to decipher the real causes/factors and > > > also > > >> because people tend to believe more in such things; the myth is > > > still > > >> prevailing. > > >> > > >> Good Wishes > > >> > > >> Raj Shekhar > > >> > > >> - > > >> " rizkhan_786 " <rizkhan_786> > > >> <satva > > > >> Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 PM > > >> [satva] i hope that all members will share with > khowledge > > > on this > > >> topic > > >> > > >> > > >> > To all respected members i have a question that how a layman > > > determine > > >> > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad effect of planets > > > or some > > >> > one has done black magic on it because it is fact that people > do > > > black > > >> > magic , i hope that all memebers participate and share their > > > khowledge > > >> > > > >> > thanks > > >> > > > >> > regards > > >> > > > >> > rizkhan > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Post message: satva > > >> > Subscribe: satva- > > >> > Un: satva- > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 My Dear Amit, I know what you mean to communicate. I do believe in meditation, astral travel, astral projection, mind reading, ESP, Hynotism, Out of Body experiences and some times also practice personally. I just wanna share with the group that Such things/practices can not cause harm to any person. Such things/practices can not be used against the will of the person concerned. Such things can make a person successful provided what ever he wishes is not harmful to any human being. Anyway thanks and regards to you for such a constructive approach. Raj Shekhar - amit_patnaik6 Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:39 AM Re: [satva] Topic of black magic. Dear Raj,I shall answer more later, but to tell you, Coincidence is an eventoccuring once a few times or a dozen times, not most times. Then itsnot a coincidence anymore.I will explain to you exactly what i mean later, as it seems you haveunderstood it very literally and hence misunderstood:)Take careAMit , "raj shekhar sharma"<rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:> Respected Shri VKC, Amit and Rizkhan> > May this finds you all in best of health and spirits.> > Thanks Prof. VKC for your valuable guidacne. I have following to sayabout Amit's views:> > People's believe in something is not sufficient enough to make thatmatter a real one.> We can believe in a lot of things as per our understanding andintelligence, but it is not necessary for the thing to exist.> Those who can propel wishful thinking can not independentlyinfluence the other person without his willingness to be influenced.> Secondly, it is only after a very high level of meditation that aperson can have intuitive powers/qualities and that too can not beused to cause any harm, in any case.> Very often, the thing called co-incident is used to describe suchthings.> > Regards to all> > Raj Shekhar> > > - > amit_patnaik6 > > Monday, June 20, 2005 9:19 PM> Re: [satva] Topic of black magic.> > > > Dear Professor,> > Apart from your observation on people who tend to believe in black > magic, what does your observation say on people who knowingly or > unknowingly have strong wishful thinking, have you encountered such > situations or people where most of their wishes are fulfilled based > on the configuration i have mentioned.> In SA can we explain such IF observed, by the strength and placement > of the signifactors for desire and wishes and fullfilment.> > In additon Human karma transcends everything, the right objectivity, > faith and means to attain it(like remedial measures), should propel > one in the right direction, eliminating any illusions.> Regards> Amit> > , <siha> wrote:> > > > Hello Amit, Raj and Riz Khan,> > > > Strong nodal influence or the influence of MMP on the fifth house > with weak > > Mercury does create such situations where people believe events > attributed > > to black magic. So, there are people who will swear for this and > yet others > > who won't believe. The wearer knows where the shoe pinches. So > persistent > > astral remedies have been able to solve some cases for me 4/5 years > back. > > Those who adopt preventive remedies won't suffer from the fear of > black > > magic.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com> > > > > > - > > "amit_patnaik6" <amit_patnaik6>> > <satva >> > Monday, June 20, 2005 8:37 PM> > [satva] Re: [Rizkhan] i hope that all members will share > with > > khowledge on this topic> > > > > > >> > >> > > Hello Riz and Raj,> > >> > > I too personally believe that Magic can be only at the physical> > > level, an illusion , but black magic is still debatable.> > > Wishfull thinking is something i am experimenting on and people > with> > > the right planetary configuration, example, strong 11th house and> > > lord, strong ascendant and strong 3rd house and lord, 4th or 5th> > > house and strong jupiter and sun and their interplay can to some> > > extent make someone have strong wishfull thinking, which can > border> > > on what may seem to be like generating bad or good for other > people> > > based on wishes.> > > The realization of this is a powerful tool and I may be entirely> > > wrong.> > >> > > regards> > > Amit> > >> > >> > > satva , rizwan khan <rizkhan_786> > wrote:> > >> i dont agree with you> > >> magic is fact and people do that> > >> it is your experience and i dont wand to agru e with u on this > thing> > >>> > >> regards> > >>> > >> bye> > >>> > >> raj shekhar sharma <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:> > >> Hello Rizkhan> > >>> > >> Hope this finds you in good health and spirits.> > >>> > >> I, personally, do not believe in any thing like black-magic. A> > > number of> > >> people, visiting me, first started narrating their problems due > to> > > black> > >> magic kinda apprehensions, but eventually they were made to> > > understand that> > >> no such thing is actually capable of infuencing human life in any> > > way.> > >>> > >> On some occassions, I have offered myself for any kinda > experiment> > > by the> > >> so-called Tantriks but nothing could be proved.> > >> It is only when one fails to decipher the real causes/factors and> > > also> > >> because people tend to believe more in such things; the myth is> > > still> > >> prevailing.> > >>> > >> Good Wishes> > >>> > >> Raj Shekhar> > >>> > >> -> > >> "rizkhan_786" <rizkhan_786>> > >> <satva >> > >> Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 PM> > >> [satva] i hope that all members will share with > khowledge> > > on this> > >> topic> > >>> > >>> > >> > To all respected members i have a question that how a layman> > > determine> > >> > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad effect of planets> > > or some> > >> > one has done black magic on it because it is fact that people > do> > > black> > >> > magic , i hope that all memebers participate and share their> > > khowledge> > >> >> > >> > thanks> > >> >> > >> > regards> > >> >> > >> > rizkhan> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Post message: satva > > >> > Subscribe: satva- > > >> > Un: satva- > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Raj Shekhar wrote ; " Such things can make a person successful provided what ever he wishes is not harmful to any human being. " According to the above statement, is it to be understood that it is a one way street ? If it is so, Why ? Once one has that kind of Sidhi (Astral Power), one is free to use according to one's desire unconditionally. Isn't it ? Your comments are invited, Dear Raj. Best wishes................Amar Puri. > " raj shekhar sharma " <rajshekhar.sharma > > >Re: Re: [satva] Topic of black magic. >Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:10:01 +0530 > >My Dear Amit, > >I know what you mean to communicate. I do believe in meditation, astral >travel, astral projection, mind reading, ESP, Hynotism, Out of Body >experiences and some times also practice personally. >I just wanna share with the group that > >Such things/practices can not cause harm to any person. >Such things/practices can not be used against the will of the person >concerned. >Such things can make a person successful provided what ever he wishes is >not harmful to any human being. > >Anyway thanks and regards to you for such a constructive approach. > >Raj Shekhar > - > amit_patnaik6 > > Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:39 AM > Re: [satva] Topic of black magic. > > > > Dear Raj, > I shall answer more later, but to tell you, Coincidence is an event > occuring once a few times or a dozen times, not most times. Then its > not a coincidence anymore. > I will explain to you exactly what i mean later, as it seems you have > understood it very literally and hence misunderstood:) > Take care > AMit > > , " raj shekhar sharma " > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > Respected Shri VKC, Amit and Rizkhan > > > > May this finds you all in best of health and spirits. > > > > Thanks Prof. VKC for your valuable guidacne. I have following to say > about Amit's views: > > > > People's believe in something is not sufficient enough to make that > matter a real one. > > We can believe in a lot of things as per our understanding and > intelligence, but it is not necessary for the thing to exist. > > Those who can propel wishful thinking can not independently > influence the other person without his willingness to be influenced. > > Secondly, it is only after a very high level of meditation that a > person can have intuitive powers/qualities and that too can not be > used to cause any harm, in any case. > > Very often, the thing called co-incident is used to describe such > things. > > > > Regards to all > > > > Raj Shekhar > > > > > > - > > amit_patnaik6 > > > > Monday, June 20, 2005 9:19 PM > > Re: [satva] Topic of black magic. > > > > > > > > Dear Professor, > > > > Apart from your observation on people who tend to believe in black > > magic, what does your observation say on people who knowingly or > > unknowingly have strong wishful thinking, have you encountered such > > situations or people where most of their wishes are fulfilled based > > on the configuration i have mentioned. > > In SA can we explain such IF observed, by the strength and placement > > of the signifactors for desire and wishes and fullfilment. > > > > In additon Human karma transcends everything, the right objectivity, > > faith and means to attain it(like remedial measures), should propel > > one in the right direction, eliminating any illusions. > > Regards > > Amit > > > > , <siha> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Amit, Raj and Riz Khan, > > > > > > Strong nodal influence or the influence of MMP on the fifth house > > with weak > > > Mercury does create such situations where people believe events > > attributed > > > to black magic. So, there are people who will swear for this and > > yet others > > > who won't believe. The wearer knows where the shoe pinches. So > > persistent > > > astral remedies have been able to solve some cases for me 4/5 >years > > back. > > > Those who adopt preventive remedies won't suffer from the fear of > > black > > > magic. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com > > > > > > > > > - > > > " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6> > > > <satva > > > > Monday, June 20, 2005 8:37 PM > > > [satva] Re: [Rizkhan] i hope that all members will share > > with > > > khowledge on this topic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Riz and Raj, > > > > > > > > I too personally believe that Magic can be only at the physical > > > > level, an illusion , but black magic is still debatable. > > > > Wishfull thinking is something i am experimenting on and people > > with > > > > the right planetary configuration, example, strong 11th house >and > > > > lord, strong ascendant and strong 3rd house and lord, 4th or 5th > > > > house and strong jupiter and sun and their interplay can to some > > > > extent make someone have strong wishfull thinking, which can > > border > > > > on what may seem to be like generating bad or good for other > > people > > > > based on wishes. > > > > The realization of this is a powerful tool and I may be entirely > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > satva , rizwan khan <rizkhan_786> > > wrote: > > > >> i dont agree with you > > > >> magic is fact and people do that > > > >> it is your experience and i dont wand to agru e with u on this > > thing > > > >> > > > >> regards > > > >> > > > >> bye > > > >> > > > >> raj shekhar sharma <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > > >> Hello Rizkhan > > > >> > > > >> Hope this finds you in good health and spirits. > > > >> > > > >> I, personally, do not believe in any thing like black-magic. A > > > > number of > > > >> people, visiting me, first started narrating their problems due > > to > > > > black > > > >> magic kinda apprehensions, but eventually they were made to > > > > understand that > > > >> no such thing is actually capable of infuencing human life in >any > > > > way. > > > >> > > > >> On some occassions, I have offered myself for any kinda > > experiment > > > > by the > > > >> so-called Tantriks but nothing could be proved. > > > >> It is only when one fails to decipher the real causes/factors >and > > > > also > > > >> because people tend to believe more in such things; the myth is > > > > still > > > >> prevailing. > > > >> > > > >> Good Wishes > > > >> > > > >> Raj Shekhar > > > >> > > > >> - > > > >> " rizkhan_786 " <rizkhan_786> > > > >> <satva > > > > >> Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 PM > > > >> [satva] i hope that all members will share with > > khowledge > > > > on this > > > >> topic > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > To all respected members i have a question that how a layman > > > > determine > > > >> > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad effect of >planets > > > > or some > > > >> > one has done black magic on it because it is fact that people > > do > > > > black > > > >> > magic , i hope that all memebers participate and share their > > > > khowledge > > > >> > > > > >> > thanks > > > >> > > > > >> > regards > > > >> > > > > >> > rizkhan > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Post message: satva > > > >> > Subscribe: satva- > > > >> > Un: satva- > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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