Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Respected Astrogurus, It's almost a fortnight that I posted a mail regarding a manglik dosh prediction in my partner's kundli, which is a major hindrance for us to get married. Since then I have recvd some responses, all of which indicated that the prediction were away from the truth. However there were no responses against the same. This comes as a re-assurance to us and we are more confident than in the past. I wish to thank everybody who responded from the various forums of astrology. I'm including within this mail, the texts of the various mails recvd(in no partiular order). I hope there are no objections to the same. I wish to thank all of you who have responded, and also request others who may have missed my posting to reply to my mail. I'm also attaching the original mail. The terminology used in the replies is new to me, and thus sometimes difficult to interpret and thus sometimes the remedies are also diff to follow. I request you to kindly reply in layman language It's great that there exists on this forum who labor to study, interpret and reply in such coherent manner to the request posted. Kudos!! Seeking kind blessings Sarup Paul === Respected Astrogurus, Sorry for cross-posting this mail. I wish to marry my school-time friend and my best companion so far. We had our parents consent, but since our horoscope's have been matched, hell has fallen upon our prospective marriage. My family astrologer has suggested that there is a strong manglik dosh in the female's kundli which may adversly affect my health and work life. However it's more than 8 years that we know each other and 4 years since we have been together. We have been through a lot of strifes, but have emerged victorious and stronger everytime. We strongly compliment each other and are sure that we will be best for each other. I dont want to learn or know what the future holds for us, but wish to know the remedies for living a peaceful married life. As per information available on the internet, I have asked Rashmi to keep a fast on every tuesday and start chanting the Hanuman Chalisa. Also we have decided to not take non-veg items hence forth. I wish to know of all the remedial actions that can be undertaken to pacify the negative effects and also have our parent's consent to our marriage. I hope you all understand that this relationship is the backbone of my life, falling down of which will break me down completely. I dont need much financial success in my life. I love life and romance and they are the succor for me. I will go to all lengths and to all forums to relieve me of this misfortune that has been predicted. Please help me. I'm sending in the details, please respond either on the forum, or we may take it offline by mailing to me at sarup.paul or paulsarup. Sarup Paul Male, born on Sunday, 1980-05-18 03:30:00 at Dhanbad, India Latitude: 023:48:N / Longitude: 086:27:E Currently working with Tata Consultancy Services Rashmi Agarwal Female, born on Saturday, 1979-09-01 15:10:xx at Jharia, India Latitude: 023:45:N / Longitude: 086:24:E Currently working with Mphasis I believe that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and that with will power we can control the negative effects and change our predicted destiny. Requesting the help of all those out there. Sincere Regards Sarup Paul ==== =============== THE RESPONSES =============== Hello Mr Paul, You have shown your strong determination and yet the same hesitation is seen in the following words: " it's more than 8 years that we know each other and 4 years since we have been together. We have been through a lot of strifes, but have emerged victorious and stronger everytime. We strongly compliment each other and are sure that we will be best for each other. In all such case mangalik dosha has no sense as it is God's will that you want to get married and ready to make your own future. with chara prasna lagna and mars in 7th own house,mangalik's dosha is exemted. From the venus and moon no mangalik dosha is seen.what actually misleads is the position from lagna. with both of you having chara lagna including navamsha it looks that you have to be more stable and free from emotion to solve the life long issue.whether manglik dosha is coming in your way or not if there is will you can easily face future.No body can stop you.As far as the bhagya is concerned it does signify the philosphical sign of gemini with lord in 2nd in retrograde.It indicates from profession you will gain.In Navamsa mars and moon are posited in 2nd in Taurus sign .This combination of 7th and 10th lords in navamsa indicates the kind of affinity that exists between both of you in kutumba bhava. Venus in ketu from moon sign indicates the girl is very possessive and aggressive.so you have to tune lifelong with her.Jupiter aspect on 7th in navamsa shall certaily helps in bringing discipline in both of your minds. Aspect of saturn on 3rd and 6th lords and mars aspect on 10th house will cause anxiety in both of your relationships often.Yet your efforts to preserve relationship through prayers and remedial measures will keep both of you together. Any decision to your marriage has to be made with cool mind and free of mind.what worries is the effect of venus on you and the moon in kumbha should not make you too much introvert.Express freely and let out your mind.Body chemistry of both of you is fine but what needs is also identity of views with reference to stability of life ======= Dear Sarup, I was extremely happy to know about your mature love. You are among the few blessed ones. Don't let astrology come in your way. Otherwise also, can you think of something else beyond this love of yours. And what will you get out of that relationship ? My sincere suggestion is to go for this relationship without caring for anything else, for following reasons: 1) By normal rules more than 40% persons are Mangalik. The percentage increases if we include Rahu, Ketu and Saturn too. 2) Normal Pundits in India talk dogmatically and don't know real astrology. First ask them to predict about strangers' horoscopes and judge their caliber. Giving correct predictions is never easy, hence no categorical judgments can be pronounced. 3) I have seen your horoscopes too. There is nothing alarming. Your friend simply has Mars in the 7th but aspected by a full and waxing Moon. Navamsa is taintless. For such a deep love, your TOB may be 03:34 or later and if my this assessment is correct, you will enjoy rare marital bliss. Go for it. My best wishes. Your remedies (if required at all) too are appropriate. ======= Mr. Sarup, I wish your married life a grand success. As per my knowledge, please make a minimum of 11 rounds to Aswartha Katta before 5.30 am everday for 42 days and it may give posssible solution as well as good amount of relief to both of you and also to both of yours parents. Especially upto this Amvashya ie. upto05.08.2005 it is very much essential as per said above. After 06.08.2005, on every Monday morning praise Lord Chandra Sckhara or chant Shiva Panchakshari for a minimum of 108 times. All the best, =========== Hello Mr. Paul, There is no Mangal Dosha in the chart of Rashmi. Mars is the best planet in her chart. For other planetary influences in her chart, the following remedies are recommended for happy and long lived married life: 1. Wearing of a ring by Rashmi with ruby gem stone of 4.5 carat to 4.7 carat approx. in left hand ring finger in an auspicious time. She should also wear a yellow sapphire in right hand index finger of the same weight as for ruby in an auspicious time. 2. She may arrange propitiatory remedies for herself as at http://www.jyotishremedies121.com/sagar.htm 3. You may arrange propitiatory remedies for you as at http://www.jyotishremedies121.com/ariesar.htm 4. If you wish to strengthen your weak planets you can decide for yourself by reading recommendations at my website. Best wishes, ===== hello Mr. Sarup First of all, you have to understand that there is no such chart/human being who is absolutely perfect and without any problems. Further, the birth-details provided by you resulted as a perfect case of love marriage. The family astrologer, who pointed out the Manglik Dosa in the female chart, appears to be quite unaware of the astrological principles. I have no doubt that the match is perfect and you can ignore any such opinion and proceed. Also, there appears to be no need for the female to perform remedial measures for Mars (Mangala) as such there is no Manglik Dosa present in the chart. The only thing requires attention is the propitiation of Rahu, which according to me, can be ignored in respect of marital significations. Best wishes for your marriage. ======= Hello Mr. Paul, Besides the propitiatory remedies suggest to you, you can wear a planetary kavach or at least a ruby of approximate 4.6 carat to 4.7 carat in a gold ring in the ring finger of the left hand in a good muhurata. Best wishes, ====== Dear Sarup, I do not advice seeking astrological guidance in cases of love affairs which can not be terminated in any case. Any guidance will only add to the doubts in both partners' mind. The life itself proves everything. Further, love is blind and deaf. The mangal dosha is there but till now, when she has crossed 26 years of age, the energy of mars has been reduced to much extent. You can wait for her to cross 28 yrs for full dosha removal, if it is possible. Anyway, mars is the least harmful among all planets in her horoscope. There is much more to your horoscopes, but at this stage, you will listen to positive advice only. The astrologer who had discovered the mangal dosha in the girl's horoscope should also have told your parents the remedies for it. You will get married to her by the end of this year. I am sermonizing again, but I cannot help it because my experience wins over my bookish knowledge. ====== Dear Sarup, I have matched your and Rashmi's horoscopes and have found you both compatible enough to get married. There are some points which I would like to explain: - Rashmi is mangalik because mangal is in the house of marriage itself. But, as half the world's population is mangalik, this is not a prime factor which can cause problems. Mars symbolizes the energy in body and mind and when it has effects on house of marriage, it tends to heighten the energies which if not balanced by the partner can lead to anger and conflicts. But, there are ome exceptions: 1. Mars' energy diminishes with age and it becomes normal at the age of 26-28, if there are no other factors involved. In Rashmi's case, it is the mars alone and in the sign of mercury, a weak mars, and it has already become normal due to her age nearing 26. 2. Your fifth house's saturn aspects seventh house, giving a malefic effect to it and thus balncing Rashmi's mars. 3. Rashmi's lord of seventh house is with Rahu, saturn, sun, venus and jupiter in ninth house. When so many planets have effect on seventh house, jupiter and venus involved, the negativity of mars is automatically reduced. 4. Look at the seventh house in navamsa chart. It has exalted moon and mercury. This again cancels the negativity of mars. 5. Mars is a benefic in sagittarius ascendent. It is lord of house of intellect and is positivey affecting house of marriage. 6. If both of you wear a yellow sapphire each in gold ring on index finger, the positive energies of jupiter will nullify the negative effects of mars. The girl is extremely lucky for her husband. They both will go abroad and prosper. You both have Adi nadi. Some astrologers may concur that this is not a good match due to it. Now, I would like to point out some issues: 1. Nadi Dosha is supposed to be applicable to Brahmins, gana dosha to vaishyas, and so on. But, in case of an inter-caste marriage, which dosha is applicable has not been explained anywhere. I have personally seen hundreds of my client with nadi dosha and very low gunas but living happily married since more that twenty years. 2. All the guna milan and nadi dosha calculations are based on nakshatra of moon at birth. All other eight planets, sixteen vargas, numerous other charts, transits, degrees of planets, etc are all ignored. This is like reading only the nail of the little finger instead of reading the whole palm. 3. I can show you many horoscopes where the couple got divorced despite having more than 30 gunas matching and both having mangal dosha. Be confident. If you two were incompatible you would not have been so close since so many years. Take blessings from your parents, especially your mother and girl's father and get married to this girl. Blessings, ====== Dear Paul, You are gonna have tough time as besides the manglik,There is Nadi Dosh problems ashtkoot matching is too low low.though you have so many similarities between both of you bt I advise you to refrain from marrying this girl. In any case if you are bent upon marrying this girl then wait atleast for few years as let the girl cross 28th year of age , plus you need some remidies to do U see There is a temple in Ujjain (M.P.) Named Mangal nath temple , this is the only temple in the world of Mangal planet , there you both will have to go and conduct pooja together , they will conduct the marriage of the girl with peeple tree first and do some pooja , with this pooja the manglik dosha gets cured ( as per our Shastras) and along with this please visit Hanuman temple every satday and tuesday offer Chameli ka tel along with sindoor for 11 tuesdays I hope this will reduce the melific effects of Kuja Dosha in girls ====== Dear Paul, > My family > astrologer has suggested that there is a strong manglik dosh in the > female's kundli which may adversly affect my health and work life. Mars in the eight house. I don't consider that significant enough to make you worried about anything. What else did your family astrologer point at, because Mars in the 8th house is a condition found in every 12 charts. Indeed, she has Venus, a benefic, the planet of love, in her 7th house, aspected by the Moon and Jupiter! A negative thing may be the placement of the 7th lord in the 8th, combust by the Sun. Become an astrologer, then lord of the 7th (Mars) in the 8th is fulfilled, because lord of the 7th in the 8th may mean her partner is interested in occult matters. That's a very practical remedial measure. A Sun-Mars conjunction shows a fiery personality, someone who's independent and powerful. I think you will like such a person. Her chart's first house contains an exalted waxing Moon aspected by dispositor Venus. She must be very pretty, no? Your 7th house is empty, and its lord Venus is with the Moon. Venus is forming an exact sextile with Jupiter which is fortunate. There's also a sextile between Venus and Mars, which shows a balanced approach to sexuality (it's giving and receiving). Now let's see how you match. Your kuta score is 23, which is above average! In your composite chart, Mars is not in your 7th, but in your 6th, which means you can work very hard together. Composite Venus is tightly conjunct your composite Saturn, which means your love for eachother is unbreakable. Now let's see her transits. Pluto is on her 7th house cusp, so power struggles in the area of relationships. Be patient, and wait until Pluto moves into Scorpio again (November). By that time Jupiter will be in your 7th house too, aspeting your 7th lord Venus! It seems you're feeling either sensual or angry right now, or both. But let's see the longterm influences. Uranus trine Moon is coming up. You want to experience emotional freedom, especially in the coming years. And many new experiences will come. Uranus means it's a good time to learn astrology. By the way, in your chart the 8th lord Mars (also lagnesh) is in the auspicious 5th house, tightly conjunct Guru (Jupiter) which is the auspicious 9th lord. Saturn is also there, the 10th lord, so a raja- yoga! Learn astrology! Become free from the superficial judgements of family astrologers! Learn to read your own chart, and those of your loved ones, like your children, day by day! It's fun and spiritually uplifting! Transit Pluto is going over your Neptune: a good time to have deep spiritual experiences and transformations. > However it's more than 8 years that we know each other and 4 years > since we have been together. The spring of 2003 must have been exciting for you. Look at that: you both have Venus at about 9 degrees of a sign. That means that when a planet transits 9 degrees, it will often aspect both your positions of Venus at the same time. In your case Uranus trined your Venus, a time of exciting changes, in her case it was a square from Venus, and thus she may have been less comfortable with the changes. In 1997-1998, 8 years ago as you mention, she had Neptune sextile her Venus, so it must have been to her as if she met her soulmate. Pluto conjunct her Venus too in august 1997. Definitely deep love! Now your vimsottari dasha periods (I don't use Lahiri ayanamsa, but 47 minutes less), presently Saturn-Venus (since 2004): Love, love, love, because both are related to your 7th house, and also together in the navamsa (where Venus is 1st lord, Saturn 9th and 10th lord). But look at her vimsottari-dashas: by November she will be in Rahu-Venus. Rahu is in quadrant conjunct trinal lord, so he's involved in a rajayoga. And Venus is in the 7th house, in the 1st of navamsa! > in the female's kundli which may adversly affect my > health and work life. Your chart is already fixed, from the time you were born. Your 6th house (health and daily work) is not afflicted at all, so don't worry. Your tenth house is involved in a raja-yoga (Saturn in the 5th) so don't worry! > Also we have decided to not take non-veg items hence forth. Good decision. Especially meat should be avoided. I'm not so sure about fish. Especially as far as children and pregnant women are concerned. As far as chanting mantras is concerned, pray to God for knowledge and service, not for material benefits or a change of ( " astrological " ) karma. Go with the flow, both high and low. ======= Dear Paul, I forgot to mention that her Mars in the 8th is the 7th lord with (the 4th) and the 5th lord, thus forming a raja-yoga. And how's the dispositor of that 8th house/ Mars doing? He (Jupiter) is exalted! Perhaps you should both study astrology! Interesting: you have Jupiter sextile Venus, and she has Jupiter sextile Moon. Is she an (aspiring) artist? ======== Dear Paul, You will have a tough time fighting the astrologers because besides the manglik, there is Gana and Nadi problems making the ashtkoot matching score low. There is huge compatiblitiy between you and the grirl because your planetary lump falls in the 5th and hers in the 9th, thus making trines to each other. I am reproducing a Mangal Dosha cancellation report below. Soumit =================================================================== As per astrological classics, the Mangala Dosha cannot be cancelled entirely, only its intensity can be reduced. Under special circumstances, Mangala Dosha is automatically nullified or reduced to a minimum. In the charts of Paul Sarup and Rashmi Agarwal the Mangala Dosha gets cancelled because of following reasons – If Mars is placed in one of the Mangala dosha forming houses in the horoscope of the girl and auspicious Jupiter is in a kendra or trikona (first, fourth, fifth, seventh, ninth or tenth house) then Mangala dosha gets cancelled. The girl is virtuous, will give birth to sons, happy in every manner, talented, wealthy and fortunate. • In the horoscope of Rashmi Agarwal the Mangala Dosha is formed due to the placement of Mars in the seventh house. Since Jupiter is placed in the ninth house of her horoscope, the inauspicious effects of Mangala Dosha gets cancelled. If Mars is in the first, fourth, seventh, eighth or twelfth house conjoined or aspected by Moon, Jupiter or Mercury then one should not consider Mangala Dosha. • In the birth chart of Rashmi Agarwal, Mangala Dosha is therefore not considered. If Mars is exalted or in its own sign in the Birth Chart or Navamsha, or in the sign Cancer or Leo, then Mangala dosha is not harmful. • In the Navamsa chart of Rashmi Agarwal Mars is in its own sign. Therefore the Mangala Dosha is not harmful. Mangala Dosha is removed if the dispositor of Mars (lord of the sign where Mars is placed) is in a kendra (square) or trikona (trine) from the Lagna or the Moon. • As the above condition matches in the birth chart of Rashmi Agarwal, therefore the Mangala Dosha should be considered to be cancelled. If Moon is in a kendra from Lagna, Mangala Dosha does not occur. • Since Moon is placed in the Lagna of Rashmi Agarwal, therefore the Mangala dosha is cancelled. If a strong Jupiter or Venus is in the lagna or seventh house; or Mars is retrograde, debilitated or in an inimical sign, Mangala dosha is eliminated. • In the birth chart of Rashmi Agarwal, the above condition matches, therefore the Mangala Dosha is considered to have been eliminated. ===== Nice to have you back from your sojourn to Haridwar i presume. I totally agree with your sentiments about Mangal dosha and bhangas and variety of confusing views. I was trying to tell Paul that he can expect some fire because of Mangal dosha from his parents astrologers and I provided him the cancellation report. However I feel there is some merit to Mangal dosha because it afflicts atleast 50% or more people to be maritally unhappy, which I think is a conservative number. The remedy to wait until 30 for cancellation makes logical sense to me. Regards and Best Wishes ========= Dear friend... well written on how and when mangal bhang happened in her chart. several books said several things on this adding few more mangal bhang scenarios, besides what u mentioned: 1. If mars is in ascendant in aeries 2. If mars is in scorpio in 4th house 3. If mars is in capricorn in 7th house 4. If mars is in pisces in 7th house 5. If mars is in capricorn in 8th house 6. If mars is in saggitarius in 12th house 7. If saturn is in 1st, 4th, 7th, 8th and 12th houses 8. If benefic jupiter or venus is in 1st or 7th houses and if venus is not with mars, then also mangal bhang happens 8. One book says If mars is in his own sign, exalted, or in his friendly signs mangal bhang happens. 9. Another book says if mars is retrograde, debilitated or in enemy's house then also mangal bhang happens. 10. in the southern part of the country, there are dozen more combinations where mangal bhang is written which is not the case in the northern parts. So many contradictory mentions were written in several books. In all these mangal bhang cases, the mangal dosh only gets reduced or marginalised and is not completely removed. Similarly to decipher whether a person is manglik or not, besides 1st, 4th, 7th, 8th and 12th houses, some people reckon 2nd house as well. Some further say that in moon lagna and venus lagna also if mangal is in these houses, the person would be a manglik. The above is written just to highlight so many contradictions or differences of opinion on manglik yog and mangal bhang yog. Simply put, there are 1001 ways how a native can be branded manglik and as many ways how mangal bhang happens. with best wishes ===== Dear Rashmi & Sarup You should not get deter by the prediction of your astrologer. Mars dosha in traditional sence is not that harmful. Moreover thousands of marriages fixed by astrologers break inspite of all remedies. In your case you should not have gone to astrologers to find anything since you love each other and are getting married. What is there to get advise from astrologers. I am sure if you ask for some remedies, you would get those in plenty. So go for some of those remedies and also plunge into a married life. I wish you all the best. ======= Dear R & S, I checked your charts. As I see it both of you will marry inspite of all the odds within this year ,may be in December or early. Your marriage life would be normal, no separation, divorce or upheavals are indicated. For her this love and marriage is more emotional and important. However, male chart indicates a strong and aggrasive career with permanent job. The job conditions etc may create some separtions and unsatisfaction in married life. As per KP Mars in 6th house of the girl, so strictly speaking this may not be Manglic chart. In any case 6th house Mars is in star of Jupiter which in 7th house.(KP). I donot see any alarming situation here. No fatality etc, no martian anger escept the normal one. Good luck ======== ear Sarup Paul, 1. As per KP matching (based on Kuppu Ganapathi's article & calculated by KPAstro 2.01 SW) already sent to you by attachment, the overall matching percentage is 69.17%, i.e. above average 60%, with a very high desirabilty of matching for marriage 83.33%. 2. As per quick review, for you Sat/Ven dasa sequence (02-06-05 to 01-08-08) is favorable for marriage. For her Sun/Rah (07-01-05 to 01- 12-05) repeated indicates 8-5-10 houses with some other signification of marriage. 3. Love of 5 houses is no doubt. And I hope my understanding of 8- 10 for delay/obsticle is wrong and pray that 8 house for marriage taken by some become true. All the best to both of you! ====== 1. Thanks for sharing your experience. I've noticed your postings of KP matching with emphasis to criterion no. 10 in Msg#1169, also for Gerald & Betty Ford and another one in other Vedic group. 2. Sarup Paul can be happy with 83.33% for criterion 10 with compared to 67% in Msg#1169, 85% for Fords and 50% for my niece recently married. (Results of matching are attached below.) 3. Overall Matching Percentage: 69.17% - Above Average Match with compared to 75.4% in Msg#1169, 67.9% for Fords and 80% for my niece. 4. However criterion 4 is zero with compared to 50% in Msg#1169, for Fords and 100% for my niece and criterion 9 is 33.33%, with compared to 85% in Msg#1169, 67% for Fords and 33.33% for my niece which makes me a little worried for my niece. Thanks and regards, tw ======== Om Ganeshaya Namaha July 27, 2005 Result of matching horoscope of Chi. Sarup Paul with that of Kum. Rashmi Agarwal for marriage, as per K. P. principles Software Developed by: Man Machine Systems, Plot No. 24, Ramalinga Nagar Extn., 1st Street, Puzhuthivakkam Chennai - 600091. Ph:+91-44-22580377. Email: ranga BOY Sarup Paul May 18, 1980 03:30:00 AM DHANBAD, BIHAR GIRL Rashmi Agarwal September 1, 1979 03:10:00 PM JHARIA, BIHAR CRITERION Marks (%) 1) Characteristics compatibility 100 00 . 2) Harmony in married life 100 00 . 3) Attitudes and urges 100 00 . 4) General happiness 0 00 . 5) Mutual understanding between the couples 75 00 . 6) Pleasure and happiness after marriage 50 00 . 7) General suitability for marriage 50 00 . 8) Likelihood of marriage with this boy and the girl 100 00 . 9) Smoothness in married life 33 33 . 10) Whether the period lords now operating in both charts indicate desirability of matching for marriage 83 33 . TOTAL 691 66 . Overall Matching Percentage: 69.17% - Above Average Match MATCHING GUIDE: [A] Below 50% - No Match. Greater than or equal to 50% and less than or equal to 60% - Average Match. [C] Greater than 60% and less than or equal to 75% - Above Average Match. [D] Above 75% - Excellent Match. Gotra: NOTE: Marriage compatibility is just one aspect to check while considering the horoscopes of a boy and a girl. Other aspects to check include longevity, education, health, child birth, career prospects and financial status. This report does NOT cover these other aspects. ======== Hare Krishna Dear Sarup, Generally it is good to fast on the day of lord of UL in the chart, You can both do that, also to ensure marriage lasting, marry when Jupiter is aspecting the 2nd from the UL/ best if it aspects by rashi as well as graha dristhi, also make sure to marry at a very auspicious muhurta. ANd then do not let relatives spoil your life. Best Wishes, you are lucky if you found someone to love and loves you back ====================================================================== ============== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.