the ego

December 1, 2005

Hello LIST,

Has anyone figured out a way to determine a natives ego from the chart?

Regards,

Fraser

December 2, 2005

Hi Rui,

Basically, the moon maha dasa has NOT done any real harm apart from

the 25 days in May, this year, that I was in hospital for some

inflamation, but that had little to do with moon dasa, it was Rahu's

transit being stationary, sandwiched in the middle of natal Ketu and

8th House MEP.

It's my 2nd Lord and 11thLord, well placed that buffers all rude

shocks along the way, I think... and Mars very well compensates for

the Moon and Saturn.

In the past, classical astrologers had told me about spirituality,

and I had tried my hand at that. What a laugh, that was !!

How can a guy with this ego even think about spirituality.

How I regret not knowing about Systems Approach much earlier than I

did.

I have personally experienced 's SHEER PERFECTION AND

GENIUS -but this is not the place to talk about that - maybe some

other time.

Regards,

Fraser.

, rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote:

>

> Hi Fraser,

>

> Yes, your Sun is very strong and healthy. So your Ego must be in

good shape ;-)

>

> Only thing I can see now is Moon/Saturn period both in your 4th of

> mind, mental peace, spiritual life... Both are withing the MEP

degrees

> and the Moon being malefic should disturb those 4th house

> significations... Then Saturn being weak and afflicted would not

help

> much. Saturn is also aspecting your ascendant, which probably makes

> you be reserved at times even though you are Leo - I actually

believe

> Saturn's aspect to your ascendant would be more powerful than the

Sun

> or Mercury because Saturn's aspect is really bullseye into the

MEP...

> Maybe I am very mistakeb, but I believe you are living abroad in

> America? Saturn should be greatly responsible for this since it is

the

> 7th lord of life in foreign lands... Also the 12th lord the means

> life in foreign lands and since your Moon is also so near the MEP in

> your 4th life in abroad would seem inevitable.

>

> Actually I would be very interested in your feedback about your life

> since 2001 when your started your Moon period. I am going to start

my

> Jupiter period in 2008 and I am a bit afraid because as I remember

> from my Jupiter periods they were times of isolation and suffering

and

> of going to Hospital either because of me or my family members... My

> aunt died during my Rahu/Jupiter period. On the other hand I did

read

> and write a lot during that time and it was like I learnt a lot

> spiritually so maybe 12th lord is good for spiritual growth? Once I

> read that for a Yogi 12th lord is actually the best, better even

than

> 9th lord... would you agree with that?

>

> Thanks for the discussion ;-) Rui.

>

> On 01/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > Hello Rui,

> > OK, Alright then.

> >

> > DOB: 23 Aug 1958

> > TOB: 07:43:55 AM

> > POB: Bombay, India.

> > Zone: -5.30

> > Ascendent: Leo24:34deg

> >

> > Regards,

> > Fraser.

> >

> > , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Fraser,

> > >

> > > Actually, my best friend is a Leo with Sun in Scorpio.

> > >

> > > why dont you give us your time of birth? That would make things

> > easier

> > > for discussion. Mine is as follows: July 9th 1969 sunset (not

100%

> > > rectified but maybe 19.26) in Luanda Angola.

> > >

> > > I see you have a website in construction - I used to have a

poertry

> > > website (Venus and Moon in 5th Taurus plus Mars and Jupiter

aspecing

> > > it) but the webmaster went bankrupt so all got deleted... and

now I

> > > have no time for that... but I would love to create an Astrology

> > > website... just for recreational purposes to teach the basics to

> > > people.

> > >

> > > Best wishes, Rui.

> > >

> > > On 01/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Rui,

> > > > I am Leo Asc.

> > > > my Sun is in Leo and strong.

> > > > my mercury is in Leo and combust (strong)

> > > > my moon is debilitated in scorpio.

> > > > and my Mars is in Aries and strong.

> > > > ...and I have broad shoulders and can take straight talk and

> > > > criticism. After all, this is a study group. So don't hold

back.

> > > > Bring it on !!

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Fraser.

> > > >

> > > > , rupamede <rupamede@g...>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > However I do understand that Moon being the Sun's reflection

> > may be

> > > > > understood as the false Ego of the Sun. In that sense, yes.

> > However,

> > > > > also in that sense, that denotes a disturbed mind not ego,

> > since it

> > > > is

> > > > > the mind that generates the false ego.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is an example of a Spanish guy I know:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1st of May 1977 at 08.00 in Bilbao Spain - if you check his

> > Moon and

> > > > > his Sun you will see what I mean.

> > > > >

> > > > > Taurus - Moon heavily afflicted - Sun in 12th - he does

have a

> > > > massive ego.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes, Rui.

> > > > >

> > > > > On 01/12/05, rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > The question was not a massive ego, but the question

simply:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello LIST,

> > > > > > Has anyone figured out a way to determine a natives ego

from

> > the

> > > > chart?

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Fraser

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 01/12/05, Amar Puri <absolutefinancial@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Sun signifies True Ego, identification of the Self,

Soul.

> > But

> > > > the false ego

> > > > > > > or massive ego as questioned is seen as outlined by Raj.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes..................Amar Puri.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >rupamede <rupamede@g...>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Re: Re: the ego

> > > > > > > >Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:46:34 +0000

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >I thought the EGO was determined by yhe SUN?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >On 01/12/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Hi Raj,

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your post.

> > > > > > > > > Therefore, in a chart, FM Mars aspecting closely,

the

> > moon-

> > > > could be

> > > > > > > > > a strong indicator. Would Rahu have no role to play

in

> > > > this? For

> > > > > > > > > instance, I have a MASSIVE ego, and I am trying to

see

> > that

> > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Fraser.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , rajshekhar sharma

> > > > > > > > > <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hello Fraser

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, it depends upon the position of asc

> > lord

> > > > and Moon.

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > influence of sixth lord, Mars (whether malefic or

> > > > benefic), and

> > > > > > > > > Ketu over

> > > > > > > > > > ascendant, asc lord, Moon, fifth house and second

> > house

> > > > may

> > > > > > > > > generate ego in

> > > > > > > > > > a native. The weakness on the part of asc lord

and

> > Moon

> > > > adds to

> > > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 12/1/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hello LIST,

> > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone figured out a way to determine a

natives

> > ego

> > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Fraser

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >

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December 2, 2005

Dear Mr. Rui,

I thought i will also join you in the discussion about Ego.

I have found people who are rich, famous,highly learned also with a bloated

ego.

Here the planets are strong regarding their respective qualities mentioned

above.

Generally a weak lagna will give egoistic tendencies.Strong planets are

also giving these tendencies.So my question is whether a strong planet

gives the ego or the weak planet.?

Regards

M.R.Murali

December 2, 2005

Dear MRM

I think Egos are like planets. If they are strong like Mr Fraser's

(Sun in Leo 1st house) then they give good results, if they are weak

like the Spanish guy I know (Sun in 12th) then they make the person

have a bloated ego.

This is my personal understanding from the charts I have done. Also to

consider the Moon because it is a reflexion of the Ego, so in a way it

is trough the Moon that we know what a person is like, how his/her

mind works. So, in a way, like Raj said the Moon would also portray

his Ego, but his false Ego.

If you have a look at the example I gave, you will see how afflicted

the Moon is for the Spanish guy - I think this makes it hard for him

to express an Ego/Soul/Sun that otherwise being in Aries might be

playful, etc and only the bad qualities come out. Also note exact

aspect of Saturn to both Moon and Sun, which is a benefic aspect but

one that would make him reserved and less popular among people because

it is after all Saturn.

Best wishes, Rui.

On 02/12/05, mrm <mrm wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Rui,

>

> I thought i will also join you in the discussion about Ego.

> I have found people who are rich, famous,highly learned also with a bloated

> ego.

> Here the planets are strong regarding their respective qualities mentioned

> above.

> Generally a weak lagna will give egoistic tendencies.Strong planets are

> also giving these tendencies.So my question is whether a strong planet

> gives the ego or the weak planet.?

>

> Regards

> M.R.Murali

>

December 2, 2005

Hello Rui,

I wanted to join this discussion about ego.

I was trying to analyse the ego of this lady,

19th feb 1980, 00:30, Trichur, India. Sun is

under exact affliction of Rahu/Ketu. Malefic

6th lord Mars is placed in 10H Leo and

afflicting 2H lord Juptiter though not in MEP.

The interesting point in this case is that

the Moon is not afflicted and placed in 5H.

What would be your comment/analysis on this

person's ego?

Regards,

Venu

--- rupamede <rupamede wrote:

> Dear MRM

> I think Egos are like planets. If they are strong

> like Mr Fraser's

> (Sun in Leo 1st house) then they give good results,

> if they are weak

> like the Spanish guy I know (Sun in 12th) then they

> make the person

> have a bloated ego.

> This is my personal understanding from the charts I

> have done. Also to

> consider the Moon because it is a reflexion of the

> Ego, so in a way it

> is trough the Moon that we know what a person is

> like, how his/her

> mind works. So, in a way, like Raj said the Moon

> would also portray

> his Ego, but his false Ego.

> If you have a look at the example I gave, you will

> see how afflicted

> the Moon is for the Spanish guy - I think this makes

> it hard for him

> to express an Ego/Soul/Sun that otherwise being in

> Aries might be

> playful, etc and only the bad qualities come out.

> Also note exact

> aspect of Saturn to both Moon and Sun, which is a

> benefic aspect but

> one that would make him reserved and less popular

> among people because

> it is after all Saturn.

> Best wishes, Rui.

>

> On 02/12/05, mrm <mrm

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Rui,

> >

> > I thought i will also join you in the

> discussion about Ego.

> > I have found people who are rich, famous,highly

> learned also with a bloated

> > ego.

> > Here the planets are strong regarding their

> respective qualities mentioned

> > above.

> > Generally a weak lagna will give egoistic

> tendencies.Strong planets are

> > also giving these tendencies.So my question is

> whether a strong planet

> > gives the ego or the weak planet.?

> >

> > Regards

> > M.R.Murali

> >

December 2, 2005

Dear Venu,

I have only done the Rasi chart for this lady but looking at the rasi

positions, I would say the Sun (Ego) is in a good place (4th). I know

it is conjunct Ketu which may contribute to damage her health, but I

would actually say this would not make her have a bad ego as such...

Let me draw your attention however to her mind (Moon), not her ego, as

her Mars does aspect her Moon and this should maker her a bit

impulsive and impatient at times?

In fact, with the Sun in Aquarius, it is said that the person will be

unpredictable - this is one of the characteristics of the Aquarius

sign.

Maybe Fraser and other members would like to comment and have

different views? This is just my own... It would be intersting to see

what the Navamsa chart says... but I cannot do it now because I am not

at home now and have no software (am using www.astro.com).

Best wishes, Rui.

On 02/12/05, Venugopal V <venuvenky wrote:

> Hello Rui,

>

> I wanted to join this discussion about ego.

> I was trying to analyse the ego of this lady,

> 19th feb 1980, 00:30, Trichur, India. Sun is

> under exact affliction of Rahu/Ketu. Malefic

> 6th lord Mars is placed in 10H Leo and

> afflicting 2H lord Juptiter though not in MEP.

> The interesting point in this case is that

> the Moon is not afflicted and placed in 5H.

>

> What would be your comment/analysis on this

> person's ego?

>

> Regards,

> Venu

>

> --- rupamede <rupamede wrote:

>

> > Dear MRM

> > I think Egos are like planets. If they are strong

> > like Mr Fraser's

> > (Sun in Leo 1st house) then they give good results,

> > if they are weak

> > like the Spanish guy I know (Sun in 12th) then they

> > make the person

> > have a bloated ego.

> > This is my personal understanding from the charts I

> > have done. Also to

> > consider the Moon because it is a reflexion of the

> > Ego, so in a way it

> > is trough the Moon that we know what a person is

> > like, how his/her

> > mind works. So, in a way, like Raj said the Moon

> > would also portray

> > his Ego, but his false Ego.

> > If you have a look at the example I gave, you will

> > see how afflicted

> > the Moon is for the Spanish guy - I think this makes

> > it hard for him

> > to express an Ego/Soul/Sun that otherwise being in

> > Aries might be

> > playful, etc and only the bad qualities come out.

> > Also note exact

> > aspect of Saturn to both Moon and Sun, which is a

> > benefic aspect but

> > one that would make him reserved and less popular

> > among people because

> > it is after all Saturn.

> > Best wishes, Rui.

> >

> > On 02/12/05, mrm <mrm

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Rui,

> > >

> > > I thought i will also join you in the

> > discussion about Ego.

> > > I have found people who are rich, famous,highly

> > learned also with a bloated

> > > ego.

> > > Here the planets are strong regarding their

> > respective qualities mentioned

> > > above.

> > > Generally a weak lagna will give egoistic

> > tendencies.Strong planets are

> > > also giving these tendencies.So my question is

> > whether a strong planet

> > > gives the ego or the weak planet.?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > M.R.Murali

> > >

December 2, 2005

Dear Rui,

Thanks and awaiting your remaining comments

after you have access to the software.

Your perfect with regard to impulsive/impatient

and being unpredictable. Regarding Health, it is

affected. Will know better when we see the person

go thru' her ketu dasa. What about the Rahu aspect

to Sun and also working from the MEP of 10H Leo ?

Any impact on ego? it does show something abt

character though.

Regards,

Venu

--- rupamede <rupamede wrote:

> Dear Venu,

> I have only done the Rasi chart for this lady but

> looking at the rasi

> positions, I would say the Sun (Ego) is in a good

> place (4th). I know

> it is conjunct Ketu which may contribute to damage

> her health, but I

> would actually say this would not make her have a

> bad ego as such...

> Let me draw your attention however to her mind

> (Moon), not her ego, as

> her Mars does aspect her Moon and this should maker

> her a bit

> impulsive and impatient at times?

> In fact, with the Sun in Aquarius, it is said that

> the person will be

> unpredictable - this is one of the characteristics

> of the Aquarius

> sign.

> Maybe Fraser and other members would like to comment

> and have

> different views? This is just my own... It would be

> intersting to see

> what the Navamsa chart says... but I cannot do it

> now because I am not

> at home now and have no software (am using

> www.astro.com).

> Best wishes, Rui.

>

> On 02/12/05, Venugopal V <venuvenky

> wrote:

> > Hello Rui,

> >

> > I wanted to join this discussion about ego.

> > I was trying to analyse the ego of this lady,

> > 19th feb 1980, 00:30, Trichur, India. Sun is

> > under exact affliction of Rahu/Ketu. Malefic

> > 6th lord Mars is placed in 10H Leo and

> > afflicting 2H lord Juptiter though not in MEP.

> > The interesting point in this case is that

> > the Moon is not afflicted and placed in 5H.

> >

> > What would be your comment/analysis on this

> > person's ego?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Venu

> >

> > --- rupamede <rupamede wrote:

> >

> > > Dear MRM

> > > I think Egos are like planets. If they are

> strong

> > > like Mr Fraser's

> > > (Sun in Leo 1st house) then they give good

> results,

> > > if they are weak

> > > like the Spanish guy I know (Sun in 12th) then

> they

> > > make the person

> > > have a bloated ego.

> > > This is my personal understanding from the

> charts I

> > > have done. Also to

> > > consider the Moon because it is a reflexion of

> the

> > > Ego, so in a way it

> > > is trough the Moon that we know what a person is

> > > like, how his/her

> > > mind works. So, in a way, like Raj said the Moon

> > > would also portray

> > > his Ego, but his false Ego.

> > > If you have a look at the example I gave, you

> will

> > > see how afflicted

> > > the Moon is for the Spanish guy - I think this

> makes

> > > it hard for him

> > > to express an Ego/Soul/Sun that otherwise being

> in

> > > Aries might be

> > > playful, etc and only the bad qualities come

> out.

> > > Also note exact

> > > aspect of Saturn to both Moon and Sun, which is

> a

> > > benefic aspect but

> > > one that would make him reserved and less

> popular

> > > among people because

> > > it is after all Saturn.

> > > Best wishes, Rui.

> > >

> > > On 02/12/05, mrm

> <mrm

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Rui,

> > > >

> > > > I thought i will also join you in the

> > > discussion about Ego.

> > > > I have found people who are rich,

> famous,highly

> > > learned also with a bloated

> > > > ego.

> > > > Here the planets are strong regarding their

> > > respective qualities mentioned

> > > > above.

> > > > Generally a weak lagna will give egoistic

> > > tendencies.Strong planets are

> > > > also giving these tendencies.So my question is

> > > whether a strong planet

> > > > gives the ego or the weak planet.?

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > M.R.Murali

> > > >

December 2, 2005

Dear Rui,

Thank you for your inputs.My ascendant is also Capricorn like yours.

My Sun is in old age and badly placed and my Moon is afflicted.Any

comments.?

Regards

M.R.Murali --- wrote: -----

rupamede <rupamede

Sent by:

12/02/2005 01:30PM

Re: Re: the ego

Dear MRM

I think Egos are like planets. If they are strong like Mr Fraser's

(Sun in Leo 1st house) then they give good results, if they are weak

like the Spanish guy I know (Sun in 12th) then they make the person

have a bloated ego.

This is my personal understanding from the charts I have done. Also to

consider the Moon because it is a reflexion of the Ego, so in a way it

is trough the Moon that we know what a person is like, how his/her

mind works. So, in a way, like Raj said the Moon would also portray

his Ego, but his false Ego.

If you have a look at the example I gave, you will see how afflicted

the Moon is for the Spanish guy - I think this makes it hard for him

to express an Ego/Soul/Sun that otherwise being in Aries might be

playful, etc and only the bad qualities come out. Also note exact

aspect of Saturn to both Moon and Sun, which is a benefic aspect but

one that would make him reserved and less popular among people because

it is after all Saturn.

Best wishes, Rui.

On 02/12/05, mrm <mrm wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Rui,

>

> I thought i will also join you in the discussion about Ego.

> I have found people who are rich, famous,highly learned also with a

bloated

> ego.

> Here the planets are strong regarding their respective qualities

mentioned

> above.

> Generally a weak lagna will give egoistic tendencies.Strong planets are

> also giving these tendencies.So my question is whether a strong planet

> gives the ego or the weak planet.?

>

> Regards

> M.R.Murali

>

December 2, 2005

Dear MRM,

A date of birth with time and place would help, but from what you say

I can see we have planets in common as my Moon is also affllicted, but

you don't say by which planets your Moon is afflicted... You see,

there is a difference... For example, in my case, Ketu's affliction to

my Moon gave me the migraine, but my Moon is placed in the 5th and in

Taurus, so it gave me the ability to write poetry etc... There are

many things to take into consideration before making any comments and

before looking at the actual chart, dashas, degrees, planetary

relationships, it is hard to make any comments...

If your Sun is in old age and your Moon is afflicted, we would have to

see what is happening to your 4th and 9th as well before daring to say

anything about your relationship to father or mother or your general

happiness... Imagine you have an extremelly strong Venus and Mars,

they would help you a lot!

Best wishes, Rui.

On 02/12/05, mrm <mrm wrote:

>

> Dear Rui,

>

> Thank you for your inputs.My ascendant is also Capricorn like yours.

> My Sun is in old age and badly placed and my Moon is afflicted.Any

> comments.?

> Regards

> M.R.Murali --- wrote: -----

>

> rupamede <rupamede

> Sent by:

> 12/02/2005 01:30PM

> Re: Re: the ego

>

> Dear MRM

> I think Egos are like planets. If they are strong like Mr Fraser's

> (Sun in Leo 1st house) then they give good results, if they are weak

> like the Spanish guy I know (Sun in 12th) then they make the person

> have a bloated ego.

> This is my personal understanding from the charts I have done. Also to

> consider the Moon because it is a reflexion of the Ego, so in a way it

> is trough the Moon that we know what a person is like, how his/her

> mind works. So, in a way, like Raj said the Moon would also portray

> his Ego, but his false Ego.

> If you have a look at the example I gave, you will see how afflicted

> the Moon is for the Spanish guy - I think this makes it hard for him

> to express an Ego/Soul/Sun that otherwise being in Aries might be

> playful, etc and only the bad qualities come out. Also note exact

> aspect of Saturn to both Moon and Sun, which is a benefic aspect but

> one that would make him reserved and less popular among people because

> it is after all Saturn.

> Best wishes, Rui.

>

> On 02/12/05, mrm <mrm wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Rui,

> >

> > I thought i will also join you in the discussion about Ego.

> > I have found people who are rich, famous,highly learned also with a

> bloated

> > ego.

> > Here the planets are strong regarding their respective qualities

> mentioned

> > above.

> > Generally a weak lagna will give egoistic tendencies.Strong planets are

> > also giving these tendencies.So my question is whether a strong planet

> > gives the ego or the weak planet.?

> >

> > Regards

> > M.R.Murali

> >

December 2, 2005

Hello Members,

In my view, ego is a part of every human being, how it is expressed

is what we should be looking for.

The planet Sun and a MT ascendant lord, their placement and influence

should be looked for interpreting ego.

This should be done in combinations with other planets

One can have a well placed strong Sun and express his/her ego in an

acceptable manner, without intruding on others space,the same person

may have a weak moon or 2nd lord etc and despite having a strong Sun

during transits etc express his or her ego in a hurtful manner, as

the emotions wont be in control due to weakness of Moon or lord of

speech.

Similarly a person with a well placed Sun afflicted by say Rahu could

show huge unexplained ego and at times be deceptively humble.

Again say for example a person with Leo Ascendant having a well

placed Sun would show a controlled display of ego but the same person

would hold on to ego w.r.t weak planets and houses, say a weak 7th

saturn for such natives could mean though a well balanced ego due to

the placement of Sun, yet matters relating to Spouse it could well

cross its limits.

This is a multi-dimensional aspect and cannot be treated in

isolation, though looking at the Sun and Asc lord helps to start of

with.

Regards

Amit

, rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote:

>

> Dear MRM,

> A date of birth with time and place would help, but from what you

say

> I can see we have planets in common as my Moon is also affllicted,

but

> you don't say by which planets your Moon is afflicted... You see,

> there is a difference... For example, in my case, Ketu's affliction

to

> my Moon gave me the migraine, but my Moon is placed in the 5th and

in

> Taurus, so it gave me the ability to write poetry etc... There are

> many things to take into consideration before making any comments

and

> before looking at the actual chart, dashas, degrees, planetary

> relationships, it is hard to make any comments...

> If your Sun is in old age and your Moon is afflicted, we would have

to

> see what is happening to your 4th and 9th as well before daring to

say

> anything about your relationship to father or mother or your general

> happiness... Imagine you have an extremelly strong Venus and Mars,

> they would help you a lot!

> Best wishes, Rui.

>

> On 02/12/05, mrm@t... <mrm@t...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rui,

> >

> > Thank you for your inputs.My ascendant is also Capricorn like

yours.

> > My Sun is in old age and badly placed and my Moon is afflicted.Any

> > comments.?

> > Regards

> > M.R.Murali --- wrote: -----

> >

> > rupamede <rupamede@g...>

> > Sent by:

> > 12/02/2005 01:30PM

> > Re: Re: the ego

> >

> > Dear MRM

> > I think Egos are like planets. If they are strong like Mr Fraser's

> > (Sun in Leo 1st house) then they give good results, if they are

weak

> > like the Spanish guy I know (Sun in 12th) then they make the

person

> > have a bloated ego.

> > This is my personal understanding from the charts I have done.

Also to

> > consider the Moon because it is a reflexion of the Ego, so in a

way it

> > is trough the Moon that we know what a person is like, how his/her

> > mind works. So, in a way, like Raj said the Moon would also

portray

> > his Ego, but his false Ego.

> > If you have a look at the example I gave, you will see how

afflicted

> > the Moon is for the Spanish guy - I think this makes it hard for

him

> > to express an Ego/Soul/Sun that otherwise being in Aries might be

> > playful, etc and only the bad qualities come out. Also note exact

> > aspect of Saturn to both Moon and Sun, which is a benefic aspect

but

> > one that would make him reserved and less popular among people

because

> > it is after all Saturn.

> > Best wishes, Rui.

> >

> > On 02/12/05, mrm@t... <mrm@t...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Rui,

> > >

> > > I thought i will also join you in the discussion about Ego.

> > > I have found people who are rich, famous,highly learned also

with a

> > bloated

> > > ego.

> > > Here the planets are strong regarding their respective qualities

> > mentioned

> > > above.

> > > Generally a weak lagna will give egoistic tendencies.Strong

planets are

> > > also giving these tendencies.So my question is whether a strong

planet

> > > gives the ego or the weak planet.?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > M.R.Murali

> > >

December 3, 2005

Hello Amit,

You are right. Ego is multi-dimensional and cannot be considered in

isolation. Strength of the Sun can be one factor but strength of the Moon

and other planets and the influence of other persons can create ego. Ego is

a matter of perception. An individual may be perceived to be egoistic by

some while some other persons may not feel so.

Best wishes,

-

" amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6

Saturday, December 03, 2005 12:03 AM

Re: the ego

>

> Hello Members,

>

> In my view, ego is a part of every human being, how it is expressed

> is what we should be looking for.

> The planet Sun and a MT ascendant lord, their placement and influence

> should be looked for interpreting ego.

> This should be done in combinations with other planets

> One can have a well placed strong Sun and express his/her ego in an

> acceptable manner, without intruding on others space,the same person

> may have a weak moon or 2nd lord etc and despite having a strong Sun

> during transits etc express his or her ego in a hurtful manner, as

> the emotions wont be in control due to weakness of Moon or lord of

> speech.

> Similarly a person with a well placed Sun afflicted by say Rahu could

> show huge unexplained ego and at times be deceptively humble.

>

> Again say for example a person with Leo Ascendant having a well

> placed Sun would show a controlled display of ego but the same person

> would hold on to ego w.r.t weak planets and houses, say a weak 7th

> saturn for such natives could mean though a well balanced ego due to

> the placement of Sun, yet matters relating to Spouse it could well

> cross its limits.

>

> This is a multi-dimensional aspect and cannot be treated in

> isolation, though looking at the Sun and Asc lord helps to start of

> with.

>

> Regards

> Amit

>

> , rupamede <rupamede@g...> wrote:

>>

>> Dear MRM,

>> A date of birth with time and place would help, but from what you

> say

>> I can see we have planets in common as my Moon is also affllicted,

> but

>> you don't say by which planets your Moon is afflicted... You see,

>> there is a difference... For example, in my case, Ketu's affliction

> to

>> my Moon gave me the migraine, but my Moon is placed in the 5th and

> in

>> Taurus, so it gave me the ability to write poetry etc... There are

>> many things to take into consideration before making any comments

> and

>> before looking at the actual chart, dashas, degrees, planetary

>> relationships, it is hard to make any comments...

>> If your Sun is in old age and your Moon is afflicted, we would have

> to

>> see what is happening to your 4th and 9th as well before daring to

> say

>> anything about your relationship to father or mother or your general

>> happiness... Imagine you have an extremelly strong Venus and Mars,

>> they would help you a lot!

>> Best wishes, Rui.

>>

>> On 02/12/05, mrm@t... <mrm@t...> wrote:

>> >

>> > Dear Rui,

>> >

>> > Thank you for your inputs.My ascendant is also Capricorn like

> yours.

>> > My Sun is in old age and badly placed and my Moon is afflicted.Any

>> > comments.?

>> > Regards

>> > M.R.Murali --- wrote: -----

>> >

>> > rupamede <rupamede@g...>

>> > Sent by:

>> > 12/02/2005 01:30PM

>> > Re: Re: the ego

>> >

>> > Dear MRM

>> > I think Egos are like planets. If they are strong like Mr Fraser's

>> > (Sun in Leo 1st house) then they give good results, if they are

> weak

>> > like the Spanish guy I know (Sun in 12th) then they make the

> person

>> > have a bloated ego.

>> > This is my personal understanding from the charts I have done.

> Also to

>> > consider the Moon because it is a reflexion of the Ego, so in a

> way it

>> > is trough the Moon that we know what a person is like, how his/her

>> > mind works. So, in a way, like Raj said the Moon would also

> portray

>> > his Ego, but his false Ego.

>> > If you have a look at the example I gave, you will see how

> afflicted

>> > the Moon is for the Spanish guy - I think this makes it hard for

> him

>> > to express an Ego/Soul/Sun that otherwise being in Aries might be

>> > playful, etc and only the bad qualities come out. Also note exact

>> > aspect of Saturn to both Moon and Sun, which is a benefic aspect

> but

>> > one that would make him reserved and less popular among people

> because

>> > it is after all Saturn.

>> > Best wishes, Rui.

>> >

>> > On 02/12/05, mrm@t... <mrm@t...> wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Dear Mr. Rui,

>> > >

>> > > I thought i will also join you in the discussion about Ego.

>> > > I have found people who are rich, famous,highly learned also

> with a

>> > bloated

>> > > ego.

>> > > Here the planets are strong regarding their respective qualities

>> > mentioned

>> > > above.

>> > > Generally a weak lagna will give egoistic tendencies.Strong

> planets are

>> > > also giving these tendencies.So my question is whether a strong

> planet

>> > > gives the ego or the weak planet.?

>> > >

>> > > Regards

>> > > M.R.Murali

>> > >

December 3, 2005

Dear Rui,

My Moon afflicted by Rahu/Ketu.How do you say that my Venus is Strong.?

Venus also badly placed in the house of disputes.

My birth details:

14th. july 1947, 8:45 p.m.Mysore, india,zone:5:30 DST:0 76e39 & 12n18

Asc:Capricorn:28:20.

Regards

M.R.Murali

----- wrote: -----

rupamede <rupamede

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12/02/2005 04:53PM