Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Hello LIST, A question, if you please... If the 12th House depositor is weak, would the planets posited in 12th House, be able to retain their own significations. Thanks, Fraser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Hello Fraser It seems that you are discussing the leo chart Venus placed in 12th while Moon is weak being debilitated or some other reason. In my opinion, though the placement in 12th house and weakness of dispositor may weaken the planet concerned i.e. Venus but the positive influences over third house, 12th house and Venus may provide some relief depending upon the nature of Dasa and Transit. Besides this, the chart has to be analysed in whole in place of depending upon one or two positive/negative indications. Raj On 12/6/05, fraser <fraser wrote: > > Hello LIST, > A question, if you please... > If the 12th House depositor is weak, > would the planets posited in 12th House, > be able to retain their own significations. > Thanks, > Fraser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Hello Fraser, Bad Placement of Planet or any weakness does not disable the planets to retain its own significations. Venus lord of the 3rd will always retain the signification of, younger siblings, communicatione etc and its general properties, assets luxuries love etc. It will fail to promote(meaning the relative success of the house from a worldy view) the same to an acceptable degree, one which makes the native happy and content. The 12th house placement of a planet Generally will give expenses,losses,confinement and lack of appreciation,to the significance of the planets placed in it. Since to human beings, things are as you percieve and view it. 12th house significance also gives the percieved positives, bed pleasures, moksha, expenses for luxuries,foreign lands and would connect to the placed planets significance. Since you ask about dispositor, the placed planets would also show trends of the strength/placement/aspect/conjunction of its dispositor with other planets and houses, and would be further weakend due to weak dispositor. Regards Amit , " fraser " <fraser@p...> wrote: > > Hello LIST, > A question, if you please... > If the 12th House depositor is weak, > would the planets posited in 12th House, > be able to retain their own significations. > Thanks, > Fraser. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Hello Amit, Thanks, -makes sense! so, would it be correct to interpret Venus as 3rd Lord in 12thH, as lack of younger siblings, expenses on luxuries, assets, love-(maybe), foreign residence, bed pleasures, moksha etc....? BUT, 3rd house, being one for initiatives and courage, could that also be taken as lack of initiatives? For with Rahu and Jupiter in the 3rdH, it would signify, a will and mind to acheive and attain, (initiatives and courage). Regards, Fraser. , " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6> wrote: > > > Hello Fraser, > > Bad Placement of Planet or any weakness does not disable the planets > to retain its own significations. Venus lord of the 3rd will always > retain the signification of, younger siblings, communicatione etc and > its general properties, assets luxuries love etc. > It will fail to promote(meaning the relative success of the house from > a worldy view) the same to an acceptable degree, one which makes the > native happy and content. > > The 12th house placement of a planet Generally will give > expenses,losses,confinement and lack of appreciation,to the > significance of the planets placed in it. > Since to human beings, things are as you percieve and view it. > 12th house significance also gives the percieved positives, bed > pleasures, moksha, expenses for luxuries,foreign lands and would > connect to the placed planets significance. > > Since you ask about dispositor, the placed planets would also show > trends of the strength/placement/aspect/conjunction of its dispositor > with other planets and houses, and would be further weakend due to weak > dispositor. > > Regards > Amit > > > > > > , " fraser " <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > Hello LIST, > > A question, if you please... > > If the 12th House depositor is weak, > > would the planets posited in 12th House, > > be able to retain their own significations. > > Thanks, > > Fraser. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Hi Raj, Yes! the question was in reference to the Leo chart. The problem begins, when I analyse the strengths of Jupiter and Rahu in there, but with Venus in 12th and moon debilitated, I seems to not be able to clearly figure out what applies and what doesn't. Thanks for your post! Regards, Fraser , rajshekhar sharma <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > Hello Fraser > > It seems that you are discussing the leo chart Venus placed in 12th while > Moon is weak being debilitated or some other reason. In my opinion, though > the placement in 12th house and weakness of dispositor may weaken the planet > concerned i.e. Venus but the positive influences over third house, 12th > house and Venus may provide some relief depending upon the nature of Dasa > and Transit. Besides this, the chart has to be analysed in whole in place > of depending upon one or two positive/negative indications. > > Raj > > > On 12/6/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > Hello LIST, > > A question, if you please... > > If the 12th House depositor is weak, > > would the planets posited in 12th House, > > be able to retain their own significations. > > Thanks, > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Hello Fraser It would have been much better if you had provided the birth details of the chart so that maximum members could have participated and that too with a clear cut clarification. So please provide the birth details in order to have some meaningful outcome. Raj Shekhar - fraser Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:36 PM Re: 12th house depositor Hi Raj, Yes! the question was in reference to the Leo chart. The problem begins, when I analyse the strengths of Jupiter and Rahu in there, but with Venus in 12th and moon debilitated, I seems to not be able to clearly figure out what applies and what doesn't. Thanks for your post! Regards, Fraser , rajshekhar sharma <rajshekhar.sharma@g...> wrote: > > Hello Fraser > > It seems that you are discussing the leo chart Venus placed in 12th while > Moon is weak being debilitated or some other reason. In my opinion, though > the placement in 12th house and weakness of dispositor may weaken the planet > concerned i.e. Venus but the positive influences over third house, 12th > house and Venus may provide some relief depending upon the nature of Dasa > and Transit. Besides this, the chart has to be analysed in whole in place > of depending upon one or two positive/negative indications. > > Raj > > > On 12/6/05, fraser <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > Hello LIST, > > A question, if you please... > > If the 12th House depositor is weak, > > would the planets posited in 12th House, > > be able to retain their own significations. > > Thanks, > > Fraser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Dear Mr. Amit, I have the following to say when the 3rd. lord goes to the 12th. house:It becomes weak, but the significations are connected. Communication, courage, initiative and younger siblings are connected with, life in a foreign contry, hospitalisation, losses, confinement, imprisonment and bed pleasures. Regards M.R.Murali ----- wrote: ----- " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6 Sent by: 12/06/2005 08:25PM Re: 12th house depositor Hello Fraser, Bad Placement of Planet or any weakness does not disable the planets to retain its own significations. Venus lord of the 3rd will always retain the signification of, younger siblings, communicatione etc and its general properties, assets luxuries love etc. It will fail to promote(meaning the relative success of the house from a worldy view) the same to an acceptable degree, one which makes the native happy and content. The 12th house placement of a planet Generally will give expenses,losses,confinement and lack of appreciation,to the significance of the planets placed in it. Since to human beings, things are as you percieve and view it. 12th house significance also gives the percieved positives, bed pleasures, moksha, expenses for luxuries,foreign lands and would connect to the placed planets significance. Since you ask about dispositor, the placed planets would also show trends of the strength/placement/aspect/conjunction of its dispositor with other planets and houses, and would be further weakend due to weak dispositor. Regards Amit , " fraser " <fraser@p...> wrote: > > Hello LIST, > A question, if you please... > If the 12th House depositor is weak, > would the planets posited in 12th House, > be able to retain their own significations. > Thanks, > Fraser. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Dear Murali ji, Yes correct, in addition i gave a very general view below not specific to 3rd in the 12th. Every chart has to be specifically analyzed, a planet never looses its significance due to weakness, its just fails to adequately promote. Regards Amit , mrm@t... wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Amit, > > I have the following to say when the 3rd. lord goes to the 12th. house:It > becomes weak, but the significations are connected. > Communication, courage, initiative and younger siblings are connected with, > life in a foreign contry, hospitalisation, losses, confinement, > imprisonment and bed pleasures. > Regards > M.R.Murali > ----- wrote: ----- > > > > " amit_patnaik6 " <amit_patnaik6> > Sent by: > 12/06/2005 08:25PM > Re: 12th house depositor > > > Hello Fraser, > > Bad Placement of Planet or any weakness does not disable the planets > to retain its own significations. Venus lord of the 3rd will always > retain the signification of, younger siblings, communicatione etc and > its general properties, assets luxuries love etc. > It will fail to promote(meaning the relative success of the house from > a worldy view) the same to an acceptable degree, one which makes the > native happy and content. > > The 12th house placement of a planet Generally will give > expenses,losses,confinement and lack of appreciation,to the > significance of the planets placed in it. > Since to human beings, things are as you percieve and view it. > 12th house significance also gives the percieved positives, bed > pleasures, moksha, expenses for luxuries,foreign lands and would > connect to the placed planets significance. > > Since you ask about dispositor, the placed planets would also show > trends of the strength/placement/aspect/conjunction of its dispositor > with other planets and houses, and would be further weakend due to weak > dispositor. > > Regards > Amit > > > > > > , " fraser " <fraser@p...> wrote: > > > > Hello LIST, > > A question, if you please... > > If the 12th House depositor is weak, > > would the planets posited in 12th House, > > be able to retain their own significations. > > Thanks, > > Fraser. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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