Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Hello Ash As you said below Rahu also has 2, 5, 9 and 7th sight. Does ketu have some sights? Or As per purana, Since ketu is tail of dragon has no eyes, hence no sight? Also Say for virgo lagna, KEtu in 10th in Gemini and In nakshta of Jup And Native running Jup- Ketu dasha, what results can be there if Jup in 4th in own house with A 4 points and mer in 3rd in sco with 6 A. Points. Since You said rahu ketu will give results during their antra as they represent the Sign lord. So Jup-ketu dasha, ketu will give results as per Mercury as ketu in gemini. But Main mhadasha lord is jup? What is its role? Regards KPK , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear List Members, > I had received an email about how Rahu/Ketu are used in this system. > > I shall try to explain in short how they are used for timing events. > > Rahu and Ketu are shadow grahas. In this system Rahu and Ketu become > Samdharmi to the sign lord and nakshatra lords. So they can represent > 2 or 3 planets. > > For example if Rahu is in the Gemini and in Nakshatra of Punarvasu > then Rahu represents Guru and Mercury. > > Similarly if Ketu were in Rahus constellation then Ketu would > represent the planets that Rahu represents and the sign that ketu is > in. So it can be 3 planets. > > Also Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become eager to give results > during their antra as they represent the Sign lord. > > You can check the points in WS for the planets that Rahu/Ketu > represnts to give idea on how they will furnish the timings during > their antra. > > Now to check which planet does Rahu and Ketu are more inclinded to > lean towards as they represnt the sign lord and nakshatra lord we can > check the bindus given by the planets in the position that Rahu or > Ketu is situated. The planet with more bindus is what Rahu or ketu > will tend to act more like for giving timing of results. > > If one studies the lesson on Love - Marriages its also given how to > see if there is attractions between male and female and there we > check relation between Rahu, Shani, Mars and Venus. > > Rahu also has 2, 5, 9 and 7th sight. > > We do not consider Rahu and Ketus BAV. > > Hope that clarifies. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Dear KPK, Rahu and Ketu are grahas and do not have a body. They take on sign lord ship and nakshatra lordship and may become samdharmi to 2 or 3 planets. Now as per rule lords of a house and 7th from that house are enemies. So if u notice for guru lagnas i.e. sag and pisces and for gemini lagna i.e virgo and gemini their 7th lords is guru for mercurial lagna and mercury for Guru owned lagna. So such planets cannot give results. Similarly if rahu and ketu are in sign of saturn and nakshatra of sun then again sun and saturn are 1:7 lords so in all cases where Lords are mercury and guru such a rahu or ketu cannot give result or in case of saturn and sun it will not give result for hosue owned by saturn and leo. These things are all given in standard texts. However if you are studying this system, I suggest you keep your slate clean. This system is a whole system and do not mix it with other systems or you will get confused. Also this system is not found in any books out there that are available in the market today. Mahadasha lord gives karaktwa and all antra lords give results as per karaktwa of mahadasha. In the first few lessons Krushnaji has given some shokes found in his Guruji Shri Brij Gopal Shastrijis books that if Mahadasha is giving benefic result and antra lord is giving malefic result then malefic results will be begotten. If Mahadasha lord is giving malefic results and antra lord is giving benefic results then benefic results will be gotten. This shows that antra lord gets presidence. We also do not use partiantar dasa in this system. We use transit of Sun instead. This is also given in the lesson. When studying this system use ALL points of this system only and not mix other techniques into it or u will make a hotch potch of everything and will get more confused. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , " kpkanitkar " <kpkanitkar> wrote: > Hello Ash > > As you said below Rahu also has 2, 5, 9 and 7th sight. Does ketu > have some sights? Or As per purana, Since ketu is tail of dragon has > no eyes, hence no sight? > > Also Say for virgo lagna, KEtu in 10th in Gemini and In nakshta of Jup > And Native running Jup- Ketu dasha, what results can be there if Jup > in 4th in own house with A 4 points and mer in 3rd in sco with 6 A. > Points. Since You said rahu ketu will give results during their antra > as they represent the Sign lord. So Jup-ketu dasha, ketu will give > results as per Mercury as ketu in gemini. But Main mhadasha lord is > jup? What is its role? > > Regards > KPK > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear List Members, > > I had received an email about how Rahu/Ketu are used in this system. > > > > I shall try to explain in short how they are used for timing events. > > > > Rahu and Ketu are shadow grahas. In this system Rahu and Ketu > become > > Samdharmi to the sign lord and nakshatra lords. So they can > represent > > 2 or 3 planets. > > > > For example if Rahu is in the Gemini and in Nakshatra of Punarvasu > > then Rahu represents Guru and Mercury. > > > > Similarly if Ketu were in Rahus constellation then Ketu would > > represent the planets that Rahu represents and the sign that ketu > is > > in. So it can be 3 planets. > > > > Also Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become eager to give results > > during their antra as they represent the Sign lord. > > > > You can check the points in WS for the planets that Rahu/Ketu > > represnts to give idea on how they will furnish the timings during > > their antra. > > > > Now to check which planet does Rahu and Ketu are more inclinded to > > lean towards as they represnt the sign lord and nakshatra lord we > can > > check the bindus given by the planets in the position that Rahu or > > Ketu is situated. The planet with more bindus is what Rahu or ketu > > will tend to act more like for giving timing of results. > > > > If one studies the lesson on Love - Marriages its also given how to > > see if there is attractions between male and female and there we > > check relation between Rahu, Shani, Mars and Venus. > > > > Rahu also has 2, 5, 9 and 7th sight. > > > > We do not consider Rahu and Ketus BAV. > > > > Hope that clarifies. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Dear Ash, Does Ketu also have 2, 5, 7, 9th sight? Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear List Members, > I had received an email about how Rahu/Ketu are used in this system. > > I shall try to explain in short how they are used for timing events. > > Rahu and Ketu are shadow grahas. In this system Rahu and Ketu become > Samdharmi to the sign lord and nakshatra lords. So they can represent > 2 or 3 planets. > > For example if Rahu is in the Gemini and in Nakshatra of Punarvasu > then Rahu represents Guru and Mercury. > > Similarly if Ketu were in Rahus constellation then Ketu would > represent the planets that Rahu represents and the sign that ketu is > in. So it can be 3 planets. > > Also Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become eager to give results > during their antra as they represent the Sign lord. > > You can check the points in WS for the planets that Rahu/Ketu > represnts to give idea on how they will furnish the timings during > their antra. > > Now to check which planet does Rahu and Ketu are more inclinded to > lean towards as they represnt the sign lord and nakshatra lord we can > check the bindus given by the planets in the position that Rahu or > Ketu is situated. The planet with more bindus is what Rahu or ketu > will tend to act more like for giving timing of results. > > If one studies the lesson on Love - Marriages its also given how to > see if there is attractions between male and female and there we > check relation between Rahu, Shani, Mars and Venus. > > Rahu also has 2, 5, 9 and 7th sight. > > We do not consider Rahu and Ketus BAV. > > Hope that clarifies. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Hello Manu Yes, anyway, 2,5,7,9 are the sights Krushna consideres for the nodes. These sights are considered in forward direction (not backwards as some others state) But I know he uses the nodes mostly to compare marriage compatibility by looking how they affect the planets in the partner's chart Best regards Margarita Manu Batura wrote: >Dear Ash, > >Does Ketu also have 2, 5, 7, 9th sight? > >Thanks & Regards, >Manu > > > > > , " ashsam73 " ><ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear List Members, > > I had received an email about how Rahu/Ketu are used in this system. > > > > I shall try to explain in short how they are used for timing events. > > > > Rahu and Ketu are shadow grahas. In this system Rahu and Ketu >become > > Samdharmi to the sign lord and nakshatra lords. So they can >represent > > 2 or 3 planets. > > > > For example if Rahu is in the Gemini and in Nakshatra of Punarvasu > > then Rahu represents Guru and Mercury. > > > > Similarly if Ketu were in Rahus constellation then Ketu would > > represent the planets that Rahu represents and the sign that ketu >is > > in. So it can be 3 planets. > > > > Also Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become eager to give results > > during their antra as they represent the Sign lord. > > > > You can check the points in WS for the planets that Rahu/Ketu > > represnts to give idea on how they will furnish the timings during > > their antra. > > > > Now to check which planet does Rahu and Ketu are more inclinded to > > lean towards as they represnt the sign lord and nakshatra lord we >can > > check the bindus given by the planets in the position that Rahu or > > Ketu is situated. The planet with more bindus is what Rahu or ketu > > will tend to act more like for giving timing of results. > > > > If one studies the lesson on Love - Marriages its also given how to > > see if there is attractions between male and female and there we > > check relation between Rahu, Shani, Mars and Venus. > > > > Rahu also has 2, 5, 9 and 7th sight. > > > > We do not consider Rahu and Ketus BAV. > > > > Hope that clarifies. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > >* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Dear Margarita and Manu, Thanks for bringin up this topic. Yes, I have not seen Krushnaji use Ketus aspect however he had mentioned that it did have aspect in 2,5,7 and 9th. Margarita is right, the only place I have seen in lesson where Rahus dristi is used is for overlapping of charts. I have not seen Ketus dristi being used in any lessons. Rahu and Ketu for timing are samdharmi to the sign and nakshatra lords. Their natural natures are for Rahu is more like Shani and Ketu is more like Mars. For finding out who they will behave more like you have to check how many points do the planets that they represent in their BAV give to the house they are in. The planet with more bindus is what Rahu/Ketu will act like. They are showdy grahas. For finding out SAV its only Lagna and 7 planets. Rahu and Ketu are excluded. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , margarita lettens <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > > Hello Manu > > Yes, anyway, 2,5,7,9 are the sights Krushna consideres for the nodes. > These sights are considered in forward direction (not backwards as some > others state) > But I know he uses the nodes mostly to compare marriage compatibility by > looking how they affect the planets in the partner's chart > Best regards > Margarita > Manu Batura wrote: > > >Dear Ash, > > > >Does Ketu also have 2, 5, 7, 9th sight? > > > >Thanks & Regards, > >Manu > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > ><ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > Dear List Members, > > > I had received an email about how Rahu/Ketu are used in this system. > > > > > > I shall try to explain in short how they are used for timing events. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are shadow grahas. In this system Rahu and Ketu > >become > > > Samdharmi to the sign lord and nakshatra lords. So they can > >represent > > > 2 or 3 planets. > > > > > > For example if Rahu is in the Gemini and in Nakshatra of Punarvasu > > > then Rahu represents Guru and Mercury. > > > > > > Similarly if Ketu were in Rahus constellation then Ketu would > > > represent the planets that Rahu represents and the sign that ketu > >is > > > in. So it can be 3 planets. > > > > > > Also Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become eager to give results > > > during their antra as they represent the Sign lord. > > > > > > You can check the points in WS for the planets that Rahu/Ketu > > > represnts to give idea on how they will furnish the timings during > > > their antra. > > > > > > Now to check which planet does Rahu and Ketu are more inclinded to > > > lean towards as they represnt the sign lord and nakshatra lord we > >can > > > check the bindus given by the planets in the position that Rahu or > > > Ketu is situated. The planet with more bindus is what Rahu or ketu > > > will tend to act more like for giving timing of results. > > > > > > If one studies the lesson on Love - Marriages its also given how to > > > see if there is attractions between male and female and there we > > > check relation between Rahu, Shani, Mars and Venus. > > > > > > Rahu also has 2, 5, 9 and 7th sight. > > > > > > We do not consider Rahu and Ketus BAV. > > > > > > Hope that clarifies. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > >* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Dear Margarita and Manu, Thanks for bringin up this topic. Yes, I have not seen Krushnaji use Ketus aspect however he had mentioned that it did have aspect in 2,5,7 and 9th. Margarita is right, the only place I have seen in lesson where Rahus dristi is used is for overlapping of charts. I have not seen Ketus dristi being used in any lessons. Rahu and Ketu for timing are samdharmi to the sign and nakshatra lords. Their natural natures are for Rahu is more like Shani and Ketu is more like Mars. For finding out who they will behave more like you have to check how many points do the planets that they represent in their BAV give to the house they are in. The planet with more bindus is what Rahu/Ketu will act like. They are showdy grahas. For finding out SAV its only Lagna and 7 planets. Rahu and Ketu are excluded. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , margarita lettens <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > > Hello Manu > > Yes, anyway, 2,5,7,9 are the sights Krushna consideres for the nodes. > These sights are considered in forward direction (not backwards as some > others state) > But I know he uses the nodes mostly to compare marriage compatibility by > looking how they affect the planets in the partner's chart > Best regards > Margarita > Manu Batura wrote: > > >Dear Ash, > > > >Does Ketu also have 2, 5, 7, 9th sight? > > > >Thanks & Regards, > >Manu > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > ><ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > Dear List Members, > > > I had received an email about how Rahu/Ketu are used in this system. > > > > > > I shall try to explain in short how they are used for timing events. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are shadow grahas. In this system Rahu and Ketu > >become > > > Samdharmi to the sign lord and nakshatra lords. So they can > >represent > > > 2 or 3 planets. > > > > > > For example if Rahu is in the Gemini and in Nakshatra of Punarvasu > > > then Rahu represents Guru and Mercury. > > > > > > Similarly if Ketu were in Rahus constellation then Ketu would > > > represent the planets that Rahu represents and the sign that ketu > >is > > > in. So it can be 3 planets. > > > > > > Also Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become eager to give results > > > during their antra as they represent the Sign lord. > > > > > > You can check the points in WS for the planets that Rahu/Ketu > > > represnts to give idea on how they will furnish the timings during > > > their antra. > > > > > > Now to check which planet does Rahu and Ketu are more inclinded to > > > lean towards as they represnt the sign lord and nakshatra lord we > >can > > > check the bindus given by the planets in the position that Rahu or > > > Ketu is situated. The planet with more bindus is what Rahu or ketu > > > will tend to act more like for giving timing of results. > > > > > > If one studies the lesson on Love - Marriages its also given how to > > > see if there is attractions between male and female and there we > > > check relation between Rahu, Shani, Mars and Venus. > > > > > > Rahu also has 2, 5, 9 and 7th sight. > > > > > > We do not consider Rahu and Ketus BAV. > > > > > > Hope that clarifies. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > >* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hello Ash, Sorry if I'm a bit dumb, can I just make sure I've correctly understood: you wrote " For finding out who they (R/K) will behave more like you have to check how many points do the planets that they represent in their BAV give to the house they are in. The planet with more bindus is what Rahu/Ketu will act like. " Do you mean " For finding out who they will behave more like, you have to check how many points the planets that they represent (ie. by house dispositorship, nakshatra dispositorship or conjuction -- have I forgotten something?) give to the house they are in the BAV (of those represented planets) " ? If so, does this mean that R/K will behave more like one planet in one house, more like another in another, or does it mean that whichever represented planet gets most points where it itself is will then always colour Rahu or Ketu in that chart? Thanks in advance! Graham --- , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Margarita and Manu, > Thanks for bringin up this topic. > Yes, I have not seen Krushnaji use Ketus aspect however he had > mentioned that it did have aspect in 2,5,7 and 9th. > Margarita is right, the only place I have seen in lesson where Rahus > dristi is used is for overlapping of charts. > I have not seen Ketus dristi being used in any lessons. > > Rahu and Ketu for timing are samdharmi to the sign and nakshatra > lords. Their natural natures are for Rahu is more like Shani and > Ketu is more like Mars. For finding out who they will behave more > like you have to check how many points do the planets that they > represent in their BAV give to the house they are in. The planet > with more bindus is what Rahu/Ketu will act like. > They are showdy grahas. > For finding out SAV its only Lagna and 7 planets. Rahu and Ketu are > excluded. > Hope that helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , margarita lettens > <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Manu > > > > Yes, anyway, 2,5,7,9 are the sights Krushna consideres for the > nodes. > > These sights are considered in forward direction (not backwards as > some > > others state) > > But I know he uses the nodes mostly to compare marriage > compatibility by > > looking how they affect the planets in the partner's chart > > Best regards > > Margarita > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > > >Dear Ash, > > > > > >Does Ketu also have 2, 5, 7, 9th sight? > > > > > >Thanks & Regards, > > >Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > ><ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > I had received an email about how Rahu/Ketu are used in this > system. > > > > > > > > I shall try to explain in short how they are used for timing > events. > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are shadow grahas. In this system Rahu and Ketu > > >become > > > > Samdharmi to the sign lord and nakshatra lords. So they can > > >represent > > > > 2 or 3 planets. > > > > > > > > For example if Rahu is in the Gemini and in Nakshatra of > Punarvasu > > > > then Rahu represents Guru and Mercury. > > > > > > > > Similarly if Ketu were in Rahus constellation then Ketu would > > > > represent the planets that Rahu represents and the sign that > ketu > > >is > > > > in. So it can be 3 planets. > > > > > > > > Also Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become eager to give results > > > > during their antra as they represent the Sign lord. > > > > > > > > You can check the points in WS for the planets that Rahu/Ketu > > > > represnts to give idea on how they will furnish the timings > during > > > > their antra. > > > > > > > > Now to check which planet does Rahu and Ketu are more inclinded > to > > > > lean towards as they represnt the sign lord and nakshatra lord > we > > >can > > > > check the bindus given by the planets in the position that Rahu > or > > > > Ketu is situated. The planet with more bindus is what Rahu or > ketu > > > > will tend to act more like for giving timing of results. > > > > > > > > If one studies the lesson on Love - Marriages its also given > how to > > > > see if there is attractions between male and female and there we > > > > check relation between Rahu, Shani, Mars and Venus. > > > > > > > > Rahu also has 2, 5, 9 and 7th sight. > > > > > > > > We do not consider Rahu and Ketus BAV. > > > > > > > > Hope that clarifies. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > >* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear Graham, No one is dumb infact this is a very good question. Ok for example take Ketu or Rahu in Gemini in nakshatra of Punarvasu. So here Ketu will represent Mercury (sign lord) and Jupiter (Nakshatra lord). So here both get covered. Now say Lagna is Virgo so Gemini becomes 10th house. Now check how many points Mercury gives for 10th house and Check how many points Jupiter give to 10th house in their respective BAV. Now hypothetically say Mercury gave 4 bindus and Jupiter gave 5 bindus to 10th house. Then here in this hypthetical case Ketu will act more like Jupiter. So go by jupiters points in the worksheet. Now assume hypothetically a second case in which assume both jupiter and mercury gave 4 points each. Then in that case it will be mixed results. For 4 houses of Mercury and 4 houses of Jupiter it will be LoD and LoE so will be eager to give results. Now you consider points ONLY FOR PLACE WHERE KETU IS OR RAHU IS. In our above example consider jupiters points and mercurys points in their respective BAV FOR 10TH HOUSE ONLY. I hope that its clear... Cheers !!! Ash , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > Sorry if I'm a bit dumb, can I just make sure I've correctly > understood: you wrote " For finding out who they (R/K) will behave > more like you have to check how many points do the planets that they > represent in their BAV give to the house they are in. The planet > with more bindus is what Rahu/Ketu will act like. " > Do you mean " For finding out who they will behave more > like, you have to check how many points the planets that they > represent (ie. by house dispositorship, nakshatra dispositorship or > conjuction -- have I forgotten something?) give to the house they > are in the BAV (of those represented planets) " ? If so, does this > mean that R/K will behave more like one planet in one house, more > like another in another, or does it mean that whichever represented > planet gets most points where it itself is will then always colour > Rahu or Ketu in that chart? > Thanks in advance! > Graham > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Thanks Ash, So say if one represented planet comes out on top by BAV in Ketu's house (Jupiter in your example), Ketu can give results wherever Jupiter would give results as per its WS points (which might be in addition to or even instead of the place where Ketu actually is). But if two ot more represented planets are all equal in terms of BAV points in Ketu's house -- like Mercury and Jupiter in your example, then... I'm afraid I still don't understand: Ketu is eager to give results for too many houses, so we say that it will only give results as D or E of 10th? Or as Mercury OR Jupiter, the choice depending on which of those two gets more BAV points in 10? Or depending on their worksheet points in 10? Sorry, nearly there I think! Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Graham, > No one is dumb infact this is a very good question. > > Ok for example take Ketu or Rahu in Gemini in nakshatra of > Punarvasu. So here Ketu will represent Mercury (sign lord) and > Jupiter (Nakshatra lord). So here both get covered. > Now say Lagna is Virgo so Gemini becomes 10th house. > Now check how many points Mercury gives for 10th house and Check how > many points Jupiter give to 10th house in their respective BAV. > > Now hypothetically say Mercury gave 4 bindus and Jupiter gave 5 > bindus to 10th house. Then here in this hypthetical case Ketu will > act more like Jupiter. So go by jupiters points in the worksheet. > > Now assume hypothetically a second case in which assume both jupiter > and mercury gave 4 points each. Then in that case it will be mixed > results. For 4 houses of Mercury and 4 houses of Jupiter it will be > LoD and LoE so will be eager to give results. > > Now you consider points ONLY FOR PLACE WHERE KETU IS OR RAHU IS. In > our above example consider jupiters points and mercurys points in > their respective BAV FOR 10TH HOUSE ONLY. > > I hope that its clear... > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > , " Graham Fox " > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Hello Ash, > > Sorry if I'm a bit dumb, can I just make sure I've correctly > > understood: you wrote " For finding out who they (R/K) will behave > > more like you have to check how many points do the planets that they > > represent in their BAV give to the house they are in. The planet > > with more bindus is what Rahu/Ketu will act like. " > > Do you mean " For finding out who they will behave more > > like, you have to check how many points the planets that they > > represent (ie. by house dispositorship, nakshatra dispositorship or > > conjuction -- have I forgotten something?) give to the house they > > are in the BAV (of those represented planets) " ? If so, does this > > mean that R/K will behave more like one planet in one house, more > > like another in another, or does it mean that whichever represented > > planet gets most points where it itself is will then always colour > > Rahu or Ketu in that chart? > > Thanks in advance! > > Graham > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear Graham, Rahu and Ketu are shadowy grahas. They are SAMDHARMI to the sign lord and nakshatra lord. To check which Rahu or Ketu will favour for that you check the bindus of the planet they represent for the natal position. Now for LoD and LoE they are always eager to give results. This is given in lessons. Now as per my earlier example if Ketu in Gemini in nak of Punarvasu so it will be Samdharmi to Guru and Mercury. Now to see who it will act more like for that you check their points in BAV as per my previous mail. So say Guru is giving more points to 10th house WHERE KETU IS IN NATAL CHART as compared to say Mercury giving 4 bindus. So here Ketu = Guru. And will act like Guru and as per worksheet if Guru can furnish result and if Ketus antra is running it will furnish the result. For LoD and LoE they are always eager to give results. Even if LoD and LoE have less points in worksheet they will still try to give result. This part is covered in discussions and lesson. Hope its clear now. Cheers !!! Ash --- Graham Fox <fox.graham wrote: > Thanks Ash, > So say if one represented planet comes out on top by > BAV in Ketu's > house (Jupiter in your example), Ketu can give > results wherever > Jupiter would give results as per its WS points > (which might be in > addition to or even instead of the place where Ketu > actually is). > But if two ot more represented planets are all equal > in terms of BAV > points in Ketu's house -- like Mercury and Jupiter > in your example, > then... I'm afraid I still don't understand: Ketu is > eager to give > results for too many houses, so we say that it will > only give > results as D or E of 10th? Or as Mercury OR Jupiter, > the choice > depending on which of those two gets more BAV points > in 10? Or > depending on their worksheet points in 10? > Sorry, nearly there I think! > Graham > > , > " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > No one is dumb infact this is a very good > question. > > > > Ok for example take Ketu or Rahu in Gemini in > nakshatra of > > Punarvasu. So here Ketu will represent Mercury > (sign lord) and > > Jupiter (Nakshatra lord). So here both get > covered. > > Now say Lagna is Virgo so Gemini becomes 10th > house. > > Now check how many points Mercury gives for 10th > house and Check > how > > many points Jupiter give to 10th house in their > respective BAV. > > > > Now hypothetically say Mercury gave 4 bindus and > Jupiter gave 5 > > bindus to 10th house. Then here in this > hypthetical case Ketu > will > > act more like Jupiter. So go by jupiters points > in the worksheet. > > > > Now assume hypothetically a second case in which > assume both > jupiter > > and mercury gave 4 points each. Then in that case > it will be > mixed > > results. For 4 houses of Mercury and 4 houses of > Jupiter it will > be > > LoD and LoE so will be eager to give results. > > > > Now you consider points ONLY FOR PLACE WHERE KETU > IS OR RAHU IS. > In > > our above example consider jupiters points and > mercurys points in > > their respective BAV FOR 10TH HOUSE ONLY. > > > > I hope that its clear... > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " Graham Fox " > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Hello Ash, > > > Sorry if I'm a bit dumb, can I just make sure > I've correctly > > > understood: you wrote " For finding out who they > (R/K) will > behave > > > more like you have to check how many points do > the planets that > they > > > represent in their BAV give to the house they > are in. The planet > > > with more bindus is what Rahu/Ketu will act > like. " > > > Do you mean " For finding out who they will > behave more > > > like, you have to check how many points the > planets that they > > > represent (ie. by house dispositorship, > nakshatra dispositorship > or > > > conjuction -- have I forgotten something?) give > to the house > they > > > are in the BAV (of those represented planets) " ? > If so, does this > > > mean that R/K will behave more like one planet > in one house, > more > > > like another in another, or does it mean that > whichever > represented > > > planet gets most points where it itself is will > then always > colour > > > Rahu or Ketu in that chart? > > > Thanks in advance! > > > Graham > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Thanks again Ash, Yes, I understood that part, and I think I've grasped the samdharmi principles from the lessons and from my teacher here in France. Where I get lost is when you say: " Now assume hypothetically a second case in which assume both jupiter and mercury gave 4 points each. [...] Now you consider points ONLY FOR PLACE WHERE KETU IS OR RAHU IS. In our above example consider jupiters points and mercurys points in their respective BAV FOR 10TH HOUSE ONLY. " . But isn't that what we did in the other example, when they gave different points to H10? You said in your earlier message: " check points they give to 10th house in their respective BAV " . Here you repeat " Now to see who it will act more like for that you check their points in BAV as per my previous mail. " Isn't that what we've already done even when the number of points is different (as per the first quote above)? Thanks for clarifying one point, which I wasn't sure about before: " So here [i.e.when BAV points are different] Ketu = Guru. And will act like Guru and as per worksheet if Guru can furnish result and if Ketus antra is running it will furnish the result. " Does anyone else understand this difference between when R/K's representatives get VARYING points versus SAME points in the house where R/K are? Sorry to keep troubling Ash. Thanks Ash , Ash Sam <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Graham, > Rahu and Ketu are shadowy grahas. They are SAMDHARMI > to the sign lord and nakshatra lord. > To check which Rahu or Ketu will favour for that you > check the bindus of the planet they represent for the > natal position. > Now for LoD and LoE they are always eager to give > results. This is given in lessons. > Now as per my earlier example if Ketu in Gemini in nak > of Punarvasu so it will be Samdharmi to Guru and > Mercury. > Now to see who it will act more like for that you > check their points in BAV as per my previous mail. > > So say Guru is giving more points to 10th house WHERE > KETU IS IN NATAL CHART as compared to say Mercury > giving 4 bindus. > > So here Ketu = Guru. And will act like Guru and as > per worksheet if Guru can furnish result and if Ketus > antra is running it will furnish the result. > > For LoD and LoE they are always eager to give results. > Even if LoD and LoE have less points in worksheet they > will still try to give result. This part is covered > in discussions and lesson. > > Hope its clear now. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Thanks Ash, > > So say if one represented planet comes out on top by > > BAV in Ketu's > > house (Jupiter in your example), Ketu can give > > results wherever > > Jupiter would give results as per its WS points > > (which might be in > > addition to or even instead of the place where Ketu > > actually is). > > But if two ot more represented planets are all equal > > in terms of BAV > > points in Ketu's house -- like Mercury and Jupiter > > in your example, > > then... I'm afraid I still don't understand: Ketu is > > eager to give > > results for too many houses, so we say that it will > > only give > > results as D or E of 10th? Or as Mercury OR Jupiter, > > the choice > > depending on which of those two gets more BAV points > > in 10? Or > > depending on their worksheet points in 10? > > Sorry, nearly there I think! > > Graham > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Graham, > > > No one is dumb infact this is a very good > > question. > > > > > > Ok for example take Ketu or Rahu in Gemini in > > nakshatra of > > > Punarvasu. So here Ketu will represent Mercury > > (sign lord) and > > > Jupiter (Nakshatra lord). So here both get > > covered. > > > Now say Lagna is Virgo so Gemini becomes 10th > > house. > > > Now check how many points Mercury gives for 10th > > house and Check > > how > > > many points Jupiter give to 10th house in their > > respective BAV. > > > > > > Now hypothetically say Mercury gave 4 bindus and > > Jupiter gave 5 > > > bindus to 10th house. Then here in this > > hypthetical case Ketu > > will > > > act more like Jupiter. So go by jupiters points > > in the worksheet. > > > > > > Now assume hypothetically a second case in which > > assume both > > jupiter > > > and mercury gave 4 points each. Then in that case > > it will be > > mixed > > > results. For 4 houses of Mercury and 4 houses of > > Jupiter it will > > be > > > LoD and LoE so will be eager to give results. > > > > > > Now you consider points ONLY FOR PLACE WHERE KETU > > IS OR RAHU IS. > > In > > > our above example consider jupiters points and > > mercurys points in > > > their respective BAV FOR 10TH HOUSE ONLY. > > > > > > I hope that its clear... > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " Graham Fox " > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > Sorry if I'm a bit dumb, can I just make sure > > I've correctly > > > > understood: you wrote " For finding out who they > > (R/K) will > > behave > > > > more like you have to check how many points do > > the planets that > > they > > > > represent in their BAV give to the house they > > are in. The planet > > > > with more bindus is what Rahu/Ketu will act > > like. " > > > > Do you mean " For finding out who they will > > behave more > > > > like, you have to check how many points the > > planets that they > > > > represent (ie. by house dispositorship, > > nakshatra dispositorship > > or > > > > conjuction -- have I forgotten something?) give > > to the house > > they > > > > are in the BAV (of those represented planets) " ? > > If so, does this > > > > mean that R/K will behave more like one planet > > in one house, > > more > > > > like another in another, or does it mean that > > whichever > > represented > > > > planet gets most points where it itself is will > > then always > > colour > > > > Rahu or Ketu in that chart? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Dear Graham, Let me try and explain. Ash, kindly correct me if I am wrong. In any case you have to consider points only for the place where Rahu is or Ketu is. Ash was stressing the point. If the planets to whom Ra (or Ke) is Samdharmi have equal points in the house where Ra (or Ke) is placed, then Ra (or Ke) will give mixed results. If the planets to whom Ra (or Ke) is Samdharmi have unequal points in the house where Ra (or Ke) is placed, then Ra (or Ke) will act more like the planet with more points. I hope it is clear now. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Thanks again Ash, > Yes, I understood that part, and I think I've grasped the samdharmi > principles from the lessons and from my teacher here in France. > Where I get lost is when you say: > " Now assume hypothetically a second case in which assume both jupiter > and mercury gave 4 points each. [...] Now you consider points ONLY > FOR PLACE WHERE KETU IS OR RAHU IS. In our above example consider > jupiters points and mercurys points in their respective BAV FOR 10TH > HOUSE ONLY. " . But isn't that what we did in the other example, when > they gave different points to H10? You said in your earlier > message: " check points they give to 10th house in their respective > BAV " . Here you repeat " Now to see who it will act more like for that > you check their points in BAV as per my previous mail. " Isn't that > what we've already done even when the number of points is different > (as per the first quote above)? > Thanks for clarifying one point, which I wasn't sure about > before: " So here [i.e.when BAV points are different] Ketu = Guru. > And will act like Guru and as per worksheet if Guru can furnish > result and if Ketus antra is running it will furnish the result. " > > Does anyone else understand this difference between when R/K's > representatives get VARYING points versus SAME points in the house > where R/K are? Sorry to keep troubling Ash. > Thanks > Ash > > , Ash Sam > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > Rahu and Ketu are shadowy grahas. They are SAMDHARMI > > to the sign lord and nakshatra lord. > > To check which Rahu or Ketu will favour for that you > > check the bindus of the planet they represent for the > > natal position. > > Now for LoD and LoE they are always eager to give > > results. This is given in lessons. > > Now as per my earlier example if Ketu in Gemini in nak > > of Punarvasu so it will be Samdharmi to Guru and > > Mercury. > > Now to see who it will act more like for that you > > check their points in BAV as per my previous mail. > > > > So say Guru is giving more points to 10th house WHERE > > KETU IS IN NATAL CHART as compared to say Mercury > > giving 4 bindus. > > > > So here Ketu = Guru. And will act like Guru and as > > per worksheet if Guru can furnish result and if Ketus > > antra is running it will furnish the result. > > > > For LoD and LoE they are always eager to give results. > > Even if LoD and LoE have less points in worksheet they > > will still try to give result. This part is covered > > in discussions and lesson. > > > > Hope its clear now. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Thanks Ash, > > > So say if one represented planet comes out on top by > > > BAV in Ketu's > > > house (Jupiter in your example), Ketu can give > > > results wherever > > > Jupiter would give results as per its WS points > > > (which might be in > > > addition to or even instead of the place where Ketu > > > actually is). > > > But if two ot more represented planets are all equal > > > in terms of BAV > > > points in Ketu's house -- like Mercury and Jupiter > > > in your example, > > > then... I'm afraid I still don't understand: Ketu is > > > eager to give > > > results for too many houses, so we say that it will > > > only give > > > results as D or E of 10th? Or as Mercury OR Jupiter, > > > the choice > > > depending on which of those two gets more BAV points > > > in 10? Or > > > depending on their worksheet points in 10? > > > Sorry, nearly there I think! > > > Graham > > > > > > , > > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > No one is dumb infact this is a very good > > > question. > > > > > > > > Ok for example take Ketu or Rahu in Gemini in > > > nakshatra of > > > > Punarvasu. So here Ketu will represent Mercury > > > (sign lord) and > > > > Jupiter (Nakshatra lord). So here both get > > > covered. > > > > Now say Lagna is Virgo so Gemini becomes 10th > > > house. > > > > Now check how many points Mercury gives for 10th > > > house and Check > > > how > > > > many points Jupiter give to 10th house in their > > > respective BAV. > > > > > > > > Now hypothetically say Mercury gave 4 bindus and > > > Jupiter gave 5 > > > > bindus to 10th house. Then here in this > > > hypthetical case Ketu > > > will > > > > act more like Jupiter. So go by jupiters points > > > in the worksheet. > > > > > > > > Now assume hypothetically a second case in which > > > assume both > > > jupiter > > > > and mercury gave 4 points each. Then in that case > > > it will be > > > mixed > > > > results. For 4 houses of Mercury and 4 houses of > > > Jupiter it will > > > be > > > > LoD and LoE so will be eager to give results. > > > > > > > > Now you consider points ONLY FOR PLACE WHERE KETU > > > IS OR RAHU IS. > > > In > > > > our above example consider jupiters points and > > > mercurys points in > > > > their respective BAV FOR 10TH HOUSE ONLY. > > > > > > > > I hope that its clear... > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " Graham Fox " > > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > > Sorry if I'm a bit dumb, can I just make sure > > > I've correctly > > > > > understood: you wrote " For finding out who they > > > (R/K) will > > > behave > > > > > more like you have to check how many points do > > > the planets that > > > they > > > > > represent in their BAV give to the house they > > > are in. The planet > > > > > with more bindus is what Rahu/Ketu will act > > > like. " > > > > > Do you mean " For finding out who they will > > > behave more > > > > > like, you have to check how many points the > > > planets that they > > > > > represent (ie. by house dispositorship, > > > nakshatra dispositorship > > > or > > > > > conjuction -- have I forgotten something?) give > > > to the house > > > they > > > > > are in the BAV (of those represented planets) " ? > > > If so, does this > > > > > mean that R/K will behave more like one planet > > > in one house, > > > more > > > > > like another in another, or does it mean that > > > whichever > > > represented > > > > > planet gets most points where it itself is will > > > then always > > > colour > > > > > Rahu or Ketu in that chart? > > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Dear Graham, Let us take an example. Sateesh has given his chart to the list. Please cast his chart and you can tell me your understanding with a proper example. That way it will get clear. No worries. Its better to spend time and clear the basics or else you will and I will be building the understanding on weak foundation which is not good. So no worries and u are not troubbling. Also quickly go through the lesson on Samdharmi. Cheers !!! Ash --- Graham Fox <fox.graham wrote: > Thanks again Ash, > Yes, I understood that part, and I think I've > grasped the samdharmi > principles from the lessons and from my teacher here > in France. > Where I get lost is when you say: > " Now assume hypothetically a second case in which > assume both jupiter > and mercury gave 4 points each. [...] Now you > consider points ONLY > FOR PLACE WHERE KETU IS OR RAHU IS. In our above > example consider > jupiters points and mercurys points in their > respective BAV FOR 10TH > HOUSE ONLY. " . But isn't that what we did in the > other example, when > they gave different points to H10? You said in your > earlier > message: " check points they give to 10th house in > their respective > BAV " . Here you repeat " Now to see who it will act > more like for that > you check their points in BAV as per my previous > mail. " Isn't that > what we've already done even when the number of > points is different > (as per the first quote above)? > Thanks for clarifying one point, which I wasn't sure > about > before: " So here [i.e.when BAV points are different] > Ketu = Guru. > And will act like Guru and as per worksheet if Guru > can furnish > result and if Ketus antra is running it will furnish > the result. " > > Does anyone else understand this difference between > when R/K's > representatives get VARYING points versus SAME > points in the house > where R/K are? Sorry to keep troubling Ash. > Thanks > Ash > > , Ash > Sam > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > Rahu and Ketu are shadowy grahas. They are > SAMDHARMI > > to the sign lord and nakshatra lord. > > To check which Rahu or Ketu will favour for that > you > > check the bindus of the planet they represent for > the > > natal position. > > Now for LoD and LoE they are always eager to give > > results. This is given in lessons. > > Now as per my earlier example if Ketu in Gemini in > nak > > of Punarvasu so it will be Samdharmi to Guru and > > Mercury. > > Now to see who it will act more like for that you > > check their points in BAV as per my previous mail. > > > > So say Guru is giving more points to 10th house > WHERE > > KETU IS IN NATAL CHART as compared to say Mercury > > giving 4 bindus. > > > > So here Ketu = Guru. And will act like Guru and > as > > per worksheet if Guru can furnish result and if > Ketus > > antra is running it will furnish the result. > > > > For LoD and LoE they are always eager to give > results. > > Even if LoD and LoE have less points in worksheet > they > > will still try to give result. This part is > covered > > in discussions and lesson. > > > > Hope its clear now. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Thanks Ash, > > > So say if one represented planet comes out on > top by > > > BAV in Ketu's > > > house (Jupiter in your example), Ketu can give > > > results wherever > > > Jupiter would give results as per its WS points > > > (which might be in > > > addition to or even instead of the place where > Ketu > > > actually is). > > > But if two ot more represented planets are all > equal > > > in terms of BAV > > > points in Ketu's house -- like Mercury and > Jupiter > > > in your example, > > > then... I'm afraid I still don't understand: > Ketu is > > > eager to give > > > results for too many houses, so we say that it > will > > > only give > > > results as D or E of 10th? Or as Mercury OR > Jupiter, > > > the choice > > > depending on which of those two gets more BAV > points > > > in 10? Or > > > depending on their worksheet points in 10? > > > Sorry, nearly there I think! > > > Graham > > > > > > , > > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > No one is dumb infact this is a very good > > > question. > > > > > > > > Ok for example take Ketu or Rahu in Gemini in > > > nakshatra of > > > > Punarvasu. So here Ketu will represent > Mercury > > > (sign lord) and > > > > Jupiter (Nakshatra lord). So here both get > > > covered. > > > > Now say Lagna is Virgo so Gemini becomes 10th > > > house. > > > > Now check how many points Mercury gives for > 10th > > > house and Check > > > how > > > > many points Jupiter give to 10th house in > their > > > respective BAV. > > > > > > > > Now hypothetically say Mercury gave 4 bindus > and > > > Jupiter gave 5 > > > > bindus to 10th house. Then here in this > > > hypthetical case Ketu > > > will > > > > act more like Jupiter. So go by jupiters > points > > > in the worksheet. > > > > > > > > Now assume hypothetically a second case in > which > > > assume both > > > jupiter > > > > and mercury gave 4 points each. Then in that > case > > > it will be > > > mixed > > > > results. For 4 houses of Mercury and 4 houses > of > > > Jupiter it will > > > be > > > > LoD and LoE so will be eager to give results. > > > > > > > > Now you consider points ONLY FOR PLACE WHERE > KETU > > > IS OR RAHU IS. > > > In > > > > our above example consider jupiters points and > > > mercurys points in > > > > their respective BAV FOR 10TH HOUSE ONLY. > > > > > > > > I hope that its clear... > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > " Graham Fox " > > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > > Sorry if I'm a bit dumb, can I just make > sure > > > I've correctly > > > > > understood: you wrote " For finding out who > they > > > (R/K) will > > > behave > > > > > more like you have to check how many points > do > === message truncated === SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Dear Manu and Graham, Manu has exactly highlighted what I was trying to explain. Thanks Manu, Cheers !!! Ash --- Manu Batura <manubatura wrote: > Dear Graham, > > Let me try and explain. Ash, kindly correct me if I > am wrong. > > In any case you have to consider points only for the > place where Rahu > is or Ketu is. Ash was stressing the point. > > If the planets to whom Ra (or Ke) is Samdharmi have > equal points in > the house where Ra (or Ke) is placed, then Ra (or > Ke) will give mixed > results. > > If the planets to whom Ra (or Ke) is Samdharmi have > unequal points in > the house where Ra (or Ke) is placed, then Ra (or > Ke) will act more > like the planet with more points. > > I hope it is clear now. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > , > " Graham Fox " > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Thanks again Ash, > > Yes, I understood that part, and I think I've > grasped the samdharmi > > principles from the lessons and from my teacher > here in France. > > Where I get lost is when you say: > > " Now assume hypothetically a second case in which > assume both > jupiter > > and mercury gave 4 points each. [...] Now you > consider points > ONLY > > FOR PLACE WHERE KETU IS OR RAHU IS. In our above > example consider > > jupiters points and mercurys points in their > respective BAV FOR > 10TH > > HOUSE ONLY. " . But isn't that what we did in the > other example, when > > they gave different points to H10? You said in > your earlier > > message: " check points they give to 10th house in > their respective > > BAV " . Here you repeat " Now to see who it will act > more like for > that > > you check their points in BAV as per my previous > mail. " Isn't that > > what we've already done even when the number of > points is different > > (as per the first quote above)? > > Thanks for clarifying one point, which I wasn't > sure about > > before: " So here [i.e.when BAV points are > different] Ketu = Guru. > > And will act like Guru and as per worksheet if > Guru can furnish > > result and if Ketus antra is running it will > furnish the result. " > > > > Does anyone else understand this difference > between when R/K's > > representatives get VARYING points versus SAME > points in the house > > where R/K are? Sorry to keep troubling Ash. > > Thanks > > Ash > > > > , > Ash Sam > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Graham, > > > Rahu and Ketu are shadowy grahas. They are > SAMDHARMI > > > to the sign lord and nakshatra lord. > > > To check which Rahu or Ketu will favour for that > you > > > check the bindus of the planet they represent > for the > > > natal position. > > > Now for LoD and LoE they are always eager to > give > > > results. This is given in lessons. > > > Now as per my earlier example if Ketu in Gemini > in nak > > > of Punarvasu so it will be Samdharmi to Guru and > > > Mercury. > > > Now to see who it will act more like for that > you > > > check their points in BAV as per my previous > mail. > > > > > > So say Guru is giving more points to 10th house > WHERE > > > KETU IS IN NATAL CHART as compared to say > Mercury > > > giving 4 bindus. > > > > > > So here Ketu = Guru. And will act like Guru and > as > > > per worksheet if Guru can furnish result and if > Ketus > > > antra is running it will furnish the result. > > > > > > For LoD and LoE they are always eager to give > results. > > > Even if LoD and LoE have less points in > worksheet they > > > will still try to give result. This part is > covered > > > in discussions and lesson. > > > > > > Hope its clear now. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > So say if one represented planet comes out on > top by > > > > BAV in Ketu's > > > > house (Jupiter in your example), Ketu can give > > > > results wherever > > > > Jupiter would give results as per its WS > points > > > > (which might be in > > > > addition to or even instead of the place where > Ketu > > > > actually is). > > > > But if two ot more represented planets are all > equal > > > > in terms of BAV > > > > points in Ketu's house -- like Mercury and > Jupiter > > > > in your example, > > > > then... I'm afraid I still don't understand: > Ketu is > > > > eager to give > > > > results for too many houses, so we say that it > will > > > > only give > > > > results as D or E of 10th? Or as Mercury OR > Jupiter, > > > > the choice > > > > depending on which of those two gets more BAV > points > > > > in 10? Or > > > > depending on their worksheet points in 10? > > > > Sorry, nearly there I think! > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > No one is dumb infact this is a very good > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > Ok for example take Ketu or Rahu in Gemini > in > > > > nakshatra of > > > > > Punarvasu. So here Ketu will represent > Mercury > > > > (sign lord) and > > > > > Jupiter (Nakshatra lord). So here both get > > > > covered. > > > > > Now say Lagna is Virgo so Gemini becomes > 10th > > > > house. > > > > > Now check how many points Mercury gives for > 10th > > > > house and Check > > > > how > > > > > many points Jupiter give to 10th house in > their > > > > respective BAV. > > > > > > > > > > Now hypothetically say Mercury gave 4 bindus > and > > > > Jupiter gave 5 > > > > > bindus to 10th house. Then here in this > > > > hypthetical case Ketu > > > > will > > > > > act more like Jupiter. So go by jupiters > points > > > > in the worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > Now assume hypothetically a second case in > which > > > > assume both > > > > jupiter > === message truncated === SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Thank you Ash and Manu -- I completely understood Manu's message, which must have crossed with mine. I thought it was all much more complicated than that! Thanks both of you. Where do I find Sateesh's chart on the site? When I have time I'll try and apply the principles. Thanks you both for your time. Graham , Ash Sam <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu and Graham, > Manu has exactly highlighted what I was trying to > explain. > Thanks Manu, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > --- Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > > > Let me try and explain. Ash, kindly correct me if I > > am wrong. > > > > In any case you have to consider points only for the > > place where Rahu > > is or Ketu is. Ash was stressing the point. > > > > If the planets to whom Ra (or Ke) is Samdharmi have > > equal points in > > the house where Ra (or Ke) is placed, then Ra (or > > Ke) will give mixed > > results. > > > > If the planets to whom Ra (or Ke) is Samdharmi have > > unequal points in > > the house where Ra (or Ke) is placed, then Ra (or > > Ke) will act more > > like the planet with more points. > > > > I hope it is clear now. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > , > > " Graham Fox " > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Thanks again Ash, > > > Yes, I understood that part, and I think I've > > grasped the samdharmi > > > principles from the lessons and from my teacher > > here in France. > > > Where I get lost is when you say: > > > " Now assume hypothetically a second case in which > > assume both > > jupiter > > > and mercury gave 4 points each. [...] Now you > > consider points > > ONLY > > > FOR PLACE WHERE KETU IS OR RAHU IS. In our above > > example consider > > > jupiters points and mercurys points in their > > respective BAV FOR > > 10TH > > > HOUSE ONLY. " . But isn't that what we did in the > > other example, when > > > they gave different points to H10? You said in > > your earlier > > > message: " check points they give to 10th house in > > their respective > > > BAV " . Here you repeat " Now to see who it will act > > more like for > > that > > > you check their points in BAV as per my previous > > mail. " Isn't that > > > what we've already done even when the number of > > points is different > > > (as per the first quote above)? > > > Thanks for clarifying one point, which I wasn't > > sure about > > > before: " So here [i.e.when BAV points are > > different] Ketu = Guru. > > > And will act like Guru and as per worksheet if > > Guru can furnish > > > result and if Ketus antra is running it will > > furnish the result. " > > > > > > Does anyone else understand this difference > > between when R/K's > > > representatives get VARYING points versus SAME > > points in the house > > > where R/K are? Sorry to keep troubling Ash. > > > Thanks > > > Ash > > > > > > , > > Ash Sam > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > Rahu and Ketu are shadowy grahas. They are > > SAMDHARMI > > > > to the sign lord and nakshatra lord. > > > > To check which Rahu or Ketu will favour for that > > you > > > > check the bindus of the planet they represent > > for the > > > > natal position. > > > > Now for LoD and LoE they are always eager to > > give > > > > results. This is given in lessons. > > > > Now as per my earlier example if Ketu in Gemini > > in nak > > > > of Punarvasu so it will be Samdharmi to Guru and > > > > Mercury. > > > > Now to see who it will act more like for that > > you > > > > check their points in BAV as per my previous > > mail. > > > > > > > > So say Guru is giving more points to 10th house > > WHERE > > > > KETU IS IN NATAL CHART as compared to say > > Mercury > > > > giving 4 bindus. > > > > > > > > So here Ketu = Guru. And will act like Guru and > > as > > > > per worksheet if Guru can furnish result and if > > Ketus > > > > antra is running it will furnish the result. > > > > > > > > For LoD and LoE they are always eager to give > > results. > > > > Even if LoD and LoE have less points in > > worksheet they > > > > will still try to give result. This part is > > covered > > > > in discussions and lesson. > > > > > > > > Hope its clear now. > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > So say if one represented planet comes out on > > top by > > > > > BAV in Ketu's > > > > > house (Jupiter in your example), Ketu can give > > > > > results wherever > > > > > Jupiter would give results as per its WS > > points > > > > > (which might be in > > > > > addition to or even instead of the place where > > Ketu > > > > > actually is). > > > > > But if two ot more represented planets are all > > equal > > > > > in terms of BAV > > > > > points in Ketu's house -- like Mercury and > > Jupiter > > > > > in your example, > > > > > then... I'm afraid I still don't understand: > > Ketu is > > > > > eager to give > > > > > results for too many houses, so we say that it > > will > > > > > only give > > > > > results as D or E of 10th? Or as Mercury OR > > Jupiter, > > > > > the choice > > > > > depending on which of those two gets more BAV > > points > > > > > in 10? Or > > > > > depending on their worksheet points in 10? > > > > > Sorry, nearly there I think! > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > > No one is dumb infact this is a very good > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok for example take Ketu or Rahu in Gemini > > in > > > > > nakshatra of > > > > > > Punarvasu. So here Ketu will represent > > Mercury > > > > > (sign lord) and > > > > > > Jupiter (Nakshatra lord). So here both get > > > > > covered. > > > > > > Now say Lagna is Virgo so Gemini becomes > > 10th > > > > > house. > > > > > > Now check how many points Mercury gives for > > 10th > > > > > house and Check > > > > > how > > > > > > many points Jupiter give to 10th house in > > their > > > > > respective BAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now hypothetically say Mercury gave 4 bindus > > and > > > > > Jupiter gave 5 > > > > > > bindus to 10th house. Then here in this > > > > > hypthetical case Ketu > > > > > will > > > > > > act more like Jupiter. So go by jupiters > > points > > > > > in the worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now assume hypothetically a second case in > > which > > > > > assume both > > > > > jupiter > > > === message truncated === > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Thanks for digging this out Ash, it's very helpful. Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Graham, Manu and all list members, > Here is Krushnajis comment and a chart that Margarita and Krushnaji > had discussed. Krushnaji has commented on Rahu. > Hope it helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Hello List, Which is more dangerous ? Tr Rahu over Natal Ketu OR Tr Rahu aspecting Natal Rahu (5th House aspect) Thanks, Fraser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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