Ayanamsha

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Therese Hamilton wrote

 

> Steve, thanks for the information in your post. Very helpful! Do you

> know

> anything about the ayanamsa and Pararshara's Light?

>

 

Hi Therese,

 

I have version 4.02, I think majorly outdated by now. It that version

there is no user defined option and no mention in the booklet or on

screen about the precessional rate.

 

Hope all is well with your teeth......

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

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At 05:37 PM 5/15/04 -0700, Steve wrote:

>

>Hi Therese,

>

>I have version 4.02, I think majorly outdated by now. It that version

>there is no user defined option and no mention in the booklet or on

>screen about the precessional rate.

>

>Hope all is well with your teeth......

 

Actully the re-done root canal is hurting rather a lot. I hope it's a

healing hurt rather than an infection. Thanks for asking. I'll see what

Monday brings when the Dr. is in.

 

Therese

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, Steven Stuckey

<shastrakara@s...> wrote:

 

Hello Steven,

 

> There is a very good book on the question of the ayanamsa, including

> information regarding the use of Revati by Robert Powell and Peter

> Treadgold called " The Sidereal Zodiac " . This booklet is still

available

> through Amazon.com and is published by the AFA.

 

I have just received the booklet from AFA. Concise, well written,

right to the point. A book any siderealist must have in his library.

Thank you very much for the suggestion!

 

--

Best regards - François

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Francois...

 

Saying its a " must have " piques my interest...

 

I'm curious to hear why you feel so strongly aboutit....

 

Juan

 

Francois Carriere <francois.carriere wrote:

, Steven Stuckey

wrote:

 

Hello Steven,

 

> There is a very good book on the question of the ayanamsa, including

> information regarding the use of Revati by Robert Powell and Peter

> Treadgold called " The Sidereal Zodiac " . This booklet is still

available

> through Amazon.com and is published by the AFA.

 

I have just received the booklet from AFA. Concise, well written,

right to the point. A book any siderealist must have in his library.

Thank you very much for the suggestion!

 

--

Best regards - François

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello Juan,

 

> Saying its a " must have " piques my interest... I'm curious to hear why you

feel so strongly aboutit....

 

Well, I feel the book goes deeper into the subject than what I have read on

the Swiss Ephemeris website. Although I find it hard to agree to the

conclusion: to have Aldebaran set at 15°Taurus on 1950.0, I feel everything

else fit correctly. Furthermore, I am gla to know that one of the first

zodiac (if not the first) was tha Babylonian one with Aldebaran and Antares

at 15° in Taurus-Scorpio axis.

 

I still have to read it a second time to understand it clearly. But my first

impression is good.

 

For my studies, it seems I will find something interesting in french,

although tropical: Denis Labouré writes a book on Morin's technique which he

says I may easily apply to sidereal astrology. I already read his book on

Choudhry system and it was very well written and instructive. I expect a lot

from this book.

 

--

François

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Francois...

 

Thank you for sharing... Ayanamsas I think will always be a " rite of contention "

similar to a " rite of passage " .....

 

In our calculations, formulas are tested... tested... and tested again.

We strive for accuracy as truth is a " drug " essential to most beings.

 

I agree with you...why set 15d Aldebaran for 1950????

also then ...

Advise that " the first zodiac " , Babaylonian in nature shows the

Antates/Aldebaran axis at 15d.

 

In another forum today I suggested utilizing the Chat room....

In this medium...the information highway gains momentum.... we can come together

from all over the world and discuss in real time our ideas....

 

Juan

 

 

Francois Carriere <francois.carriere wrote:

Hello Juan,

 

> Saying its a " must have " piques my interest... I'm curious to hear why you

feel so strongly aboutit....

 

Well, I feel the book goes deeper into the subject than what I have read on

the Swiss Ephemeris website. Although I find it hard to agree to the

conclusion: to have Aldebaran set at 15°Taurus on 1950.0, I feel everything

else fit correctly. Furthermore, I am gla to know that one of the first

zodiac (if not the first) was tha Babylonian one with Aldebaran and Antares

at 15° in Taurus-Scorpio axis.

 

I still have to read it a second time to understand it clearly. But my first

impression is good.

 

For my studies, it seems I will find something interesting in french,

although tropical: Denis Labouré writes a book on Morin's technique which he

says I may easily apply to sidereal astrology. I already read his book on

Choudhry system and it was very well written and instructive. I expect a lot

from this book.

 

--

François

 

 

 

 

 

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At 03:55 PM 5/28/04 -0400, Francois wrote:

>... Although I find it hard to agree to the

>conclusion: to have Aldebaran set at 15°Taurus on 1950.0, I feel everything

>else fit correctly. Furthermore, I am glad to know that one of the first

>zodiac (if not the first) was tha Babylonian one with Aldebaran and Antares

>at 15° in Taurus-Scorpio axis.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Dear Fellow Siderealists,

 

Does **anyone** know the original source statement that in the Babylonian

zodiac Aldebaran and Antares were at 15 degrees of Taurus-Scorpio?? I am

asking because in all the books I have--the ancient translations--I can't

remember any statement to that effect, although the positions of some other

stars are exactly stated to the degree.

 

Thanks,

Therese

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Dear Vijay Kumar

 

The original KP Ayanamsa was as given in KP Reader 1 (1957 editionm) It was given as on

 

1st Jan of the Year . 1840 to 2000 was covered. It was in Deg. and Minutes only. This was

 

assummed to be valiod for the whole year. Based on this and a lot of study, in getting the

 

Best fit for these figures, (except a few years, where prima facie a printing error was there) , I had formulated my SW formula.

 

The latest corrected KPA by Prof Balachandra was published in KP Annual 2003. I have

 

now adapted that for my SW. He gave the formula for April 15. In my SW I have convertred

 

that ias of 1st Jan. My SW now gives the ayan calculated to the day.

 

The St. Line formula which Mr Subramaniam of SUB SPEAKS fame adopted, and refused to

 

listen to arguments against it, was (year-291)*50.2388471 secs........(the annual change as given in Book !). This formula was later on claimed by another Dr. V..... and named by him as

 

KPV ayanamsa.

 

The New KPA as used by me is PY=YEAR-1900

AYAN in deg on 1st JAN IS = 22+(1335+PYx50.2388475)/3600 + PYxPYx.000111/3600

 

 

Vijay Kumar <v_kumar wrote:

 

Dear Sh. Raichur, Sometimes before, there was a long discussion going on Ayanamsha in KP forum, and precisely on KP ayanamsha. I did not get many threads of the discussions due to my own limitation of not much conversant with astronomical fundamentals. I request you to kindly give me the mathematical formula of calculating the ayanamsha so that I may calculate the following variations of it manually : 01. KP ayansmsha 02. KP ayanamsha - New 03. KP straight-line ayanamsha (adjusted) Sir, I would be very grateful to you for this help. Thanks and Regards, Vijay Kumar

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sir,

Thanks for the detailed info.

For my cross check by manual calculation, would you kindly indicate KPA ayanamsha for following dates, generated by your software.

11-07-1979 and 01-05-2005

Regards,

Vijay Kumar

On Thu, 5 May 2005 22:49:31 -0700 (PDT), anant raichur wrote

> Dear Vijay Kumar >   > The original KP Ayanamsa was as given in KP Reader 1 (1957 editionm) It was given as on >   > 1st Jan of the Year . 1840 to 2000 was covered. It was in Deg. and Minutes only. This was >   > assummed to be valiod for the whole year.   Based on this and a lot of study, in getting the >   > Best fit for these figures, (except a few years, where prima facie a printing error was there) , I had formulated my SW formula. >   > The latest corrected KPA by Prof Balachandra was published in KP Annual 2003.  I have >   > now adapted that for my SW.  He gave the formula for April 15. In my SW I have convertred >   > that ias of 1st Jan. My SW now gives the ayan calculated to the day. >   > The St. Line formula which Mr Subramaniam of SUB SPEAKS fame adopted, and refused to >   > listen to arguments against it, was (year-291)*50.2388471 secs........(the annual change as given in Book !). This formula was later on claimed by another Dr. V..... and named by him as >   > KPV ayanamsa. >   > The New KPA as used by me is PY=YEAR-1900 > AYAN in deg on 1st JAN IS = 22+(1335+PYx50.2388475)/3600 + PYxPYx.000111/3600 >   >   > > Vijay Kumar <v_kumar wrote:

Dear Sh. Raichur, > > Sometimes before, there was a long discussion going on Ayanamsha in KP forum, and > precisely on KP ayanamsha. I did not get many threads of the discussions due > to my own limitation of not much conversant with astronomical fundamentals. > > I request you to kindly give me the mathematical formula of calculating the > ayanamsha so that I may calculate the following variations of it manually : > > 01. KP ayansmsha > 02. KP ayanamsha - New > 03. KP straight-line ayanamsha (adjusted) > > Sir, I would be very grateful to you for this help. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Vijay Kumar >

>

> > --------- > A.R.Raichur bombay

> anant_1608 

> raichuranant > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY

> tel: 022-2506 2609 > ---------

>

>

> > >

 

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the new kpa on 11,7,1979 is 23 deg 28 min 51 sec. On 1,5,2005 this is 23 d.50-min 28 sVijay Kumar <v_kumar wrote:

 

Dear Sir,

Thanks for the detailed info.

For my cross check by manual calculation, would you kindly indicate KPA ayanamsha for following dates, generated by your software.

11-07-1979 and 01-05-2005

Regards,

Vijay Kumar

On Thu, 5 May 2005 22:49:31 -0700 (PDT), anant raichur wrote > Dear Vijay Kumar > > The original KP Ayanamsa was as given in KP Reader 1 (1957 editionm) It was given as on > > 1st Jan of the Year . 1840 to 2000 was covered. It was in Deg. and Minutes only. This was > > assummed to be valiod for the whole year. Based on this and a lot of study, in getting the > > Best fit for these figures, (except a few years, where prima facie a printing error was there) , I had formulated my SW formula. > > The latest corrected KPA by Prof Balachandra was published in KP Annual 2003. I have > > now adapted that for my SW. He gave the formula for April 15. In my SW I have convertred > > that ias of 1st Jan. My SW now gives the ayan calculated to the day. > > The St. Line formula

which Mr Subramaniam of SUB SPEAKS fame adopted, and refused to > > listen to arguments against it, was (year-291)*50.2388471 secs........(the annual change as given in Book !). This formula was later on claimed by another Dr. V..... and named by him as > > KPV ayanamsa. > > The New KPA as used by me is PY=YEAR-1900 > AYAN in deg on 1st JAN IS = 22+(1335+PYx50.2388475)/3600 + PYxPYx.000111/3600 > > > > Vijay Kumar <v_kumar wrote:

Dear Sh. Raichur, > > Sometimes before, there was a long discussion going on Ayanamsha in KP forum, and > precisely on KP ayanamsha. I did not get many threads of the discussions due > to my own limitation of not much conversant with astronomical fundamentals. > > I request you to kindly give me the mathematical formula of calculating the > ayanamsha so that I may calculate the following variations of it manually : > > 01. KP ayansmsha > 02. KP ayanamsha - New > 03. KP straight-line ayanamsha (adjusted) > > Sir, I would be very grateful to you for this help. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Vijay Kumar > > > > --------- > A.R.Raichur bombay

> anant_1608 > raichuranant > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > tel: 022-2506 2609 > --------- > > > > >

 

 

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Dear Vijay,

 

1) New KPA for 11-07-1979

 

NKPA for 1980 = 23-29-30

NKPA for 1979 = 23-28-40

Increase for 365 days = 50 sec

 

Number day to April 15 = 105

Number day to July 11 = 182

 

50 x (182-105)/365 = 10.55 = 11 sec

 

NKPA 23-28-40 + 11 sec = 23-28-51

 

 

2) New KPA for 01-05-2005

 

NKPA for 2006 = 23-51-17

NKPA for 1979 = 23-50-26

Increase for 365 days = 51 sec

 

Number day to April 15 = 105

Number day to May 01 = 121

 

51 x (121-105)/365 = 2.23 = 2 sec

 

NKPA 23-50-26 + 2 sec = 23-50-28

 

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

, anant raichur <anant_1608>

wrote:

> the new kpa on 11,7,1979 is 23 deg 28 min 51 sec. On 1,5,2005

this is 23 d.50-min 28 s

>

> Vijay Kumar <v_kumar@c...> wrote:

> Dear Sir,

>

> Thanks for the detailed info.

>

> For my cross check by manual calculation, would you kindly

indicate KPA ayanamsha for following

> dates, generated by your software.

>

> 11-07-1979 and 01-05-2005

>

> Regards,

>

> Vijay Kumar

>

> On Thu, 5 May 2005 22:49:31 -0700 (PDT), anant raichur wrote

> > Dear Vijay Kumar

> >

> > The original KP Ayanamsa was as given in KP Reader 1 (1957

editionm) It was given as on

> >

> > 1st Jan of the Year . 1840 to 2000 was covered. It was in Deg.

and Minutes only. This was

> >

> > assummed to be valiod for the whole year. Based on this and a

lot of study, in getting the

> >

> > Best fit for these figures, (except a few years, where prima

facie a printing error was there) , I had formulated my SW formula.

> >

> > The latest corrected KPA by Prof Balachandra was published in KP

Annual 2003. I have

> >

> > now adapted that for my SW. He gave the formula for April 15.

In my SW I have convertred

> >

> > that ias of 1st Jan. My SW now gives the ayan calculated to the

day.

> >

> > The St. Line formula which Mr Subramaniam of SUB SPEAKS fame

adopted, and refused to

> >

> > listen to arguments against it, was (year-291)*50.2388471

secs........(the annual change as given in Book !). This formula was

later on claimed by another Dr. V..... and named by him as

> >

> > KPV ayanamsa.

> >

> > The New KPA as used by me is PY=YEAR-1900

> > AYAN in deg on 1st JAN IS = 22+(1335+PYx50.2388475)/3600 +

PYxPYx.000111/3600

> >

> >

> >

> > Vijay Kumar <v_kumar@c...> wrote:

> Dear Sh. Raichur,

> >

> > Sometimes before, there was a long discussion going on Ayanamsha

in KP forum, and

> > precisely on KP ayanamsha. I did not get many threads of the

discussions due

> > to my own limitation of not much conversant with astronomical

fundamentals.

> >

> > I request you to kindly give me the mathematical formula of

calculating the

> > ayanamsha so that I may calculate the following variations of it

manually :

> >

> > 01. KP ayansmsha

> > 02. KP ayanamsha - New

> > 03. KP straight-line ayanamsha (adjusted)

> >

> > Sir, I would be very grateful to you for this help.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards,

> >

> > Vijay Kumar

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------

> > A.R.Raichur bombay

> > anant_1608

> > raichuranant

> > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY

> > tel: 022-2506 2609

> > ---------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sh. TW and Sh. Raichur,

I have my sincere thanks for both of you for replying and guiding me on Ayansmsha.

Thanks again.

Regards,

Vijay Kumar

On Fri, 06 May 2005 19:48:01 -0000, tw853 wrote > Dear Vijay, > > 1) New KPA for 11-07-1979 > > NKPA for 1980 = 23-29-30 > NKPA for 1979 = 23-28-40 > Increase for 365 days = 50 sec > > Number day to April 15 = 105 > Number day to July 11  = 182 > > 50 x (182-105)/365 = 10.55 = 11 sec > > NKPA  23-28-40 + 11 sec = 23-28-51 > > 2) New KPA for 01-05-2005 > > NKPA for 2006 = 23-51-17 > NKPA for 1979 = 23-50-26 > Increase for 365 days = 51 sec > > Number day to April 15 = 105 > Number day to May  01 = 121 > > 51 x (121-105)/365 = 2.23 = 2 sec > > NKPA  23-50-26 + 2 sec = 23-50-28 > > Regards, > > tw > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > wrote: > > the new kpa on 11,7,1979   is 23 deg 28 min 51 sec.  On 1,5,2005 > this is 23 d.50-min 28 s > > > > Vijay Kumar <v_kumar@c...> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > > > Thanks for the detailed info. > > > > For my cross check by manual calculation, would you kindly > indicate KPA ayanamsha for following > > dates, generated by your software. > > > > 11-07-1979 and 01-05-2005 > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > On Thu, 5 May 2005 22:49:31 -0700 (PDT), anant raichur wrote > > > Dear Vijay Kumar > > >   > > > The original KP Ayanamsa was as given in KP Reader 1 (1957 > editionm) It was given as on > > >   > > > 1st Jan of the Year . 1840 to 2000 was covered. It was in Deg. > and Minutes only. This was > > >   > > > assummed to be valiod for the whole year.   Based on this and a > lot of study, in getting the > > >   > > > Best fit for these figures, (except a few years, where prima > facie a printing error was there) , I had formulated my SW formula. > > >   > > > The latest corrected KPA by Prof Balachandra was published in KP > Annual 2003.  I have > > >   > > > now adapted that for my SW.  He gave the formula for April 15. > In my SW I have convertred > > >   > > > that ias of 1st Jan. My SW now gives the ayan calculated to the > day. > > >   > > > The St. Line formula which Mr Subramaniam of SUB SPEAKS fame > adopted, and refused to > > >   > > > listen to arguments against it, was (year-291)*50.2388471 > secs........(the annual change as given in Book !). This formula was > later on claimed by another Dr. V..... and named by him as > > >   > > > KPV ayanamsa. > > >   > > > The New KPA as used by me is PY=YEAR-1900 > > > AYAN in deg on 1st JAN IS = 22+(1335+PYx50.2388475)/3600 + > PYxPYx.000111/3600 > > >   > > >   > > > > > > Vijay Kumar <v_kumar@c...> wrote: > > Dear Sh. Raichur, > > > > > > Sometimes before, there was a long discussion going on Ayanamsha > in KP forum, and > > > precisely on KP ayanamsha. I did not get many threads of the > discussions due > > > to my own limitation of not much conversant with astronomical > fundamentals. > > > > > > I request you to kindly give me the mathematical formula of > calculating the > > > ayanamsha so that I may calculate the following variations of it > manually : > > > > > > 01. KP ayansmsha > > > 02. KP ayanamsha - New > > > 03. KP straight-line ayanamsha (adjusted) > > > > > > Sir, I would be very grateful to you for this help. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- > > > A.R.Raichur bombay > > > anant_1608   > > > raichuranant > > > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > > > tel: 022-2506 2609 > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Vijay,

 

I've also gone through your article in KP Year Book 2005, p 13-17, in

preparation of a KP research work.

 

 

Best regards and wishes,

 

tw

, " Vijay Kumar " <v_kumar@c...> wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sh. TW,

Good that you rightly spotted me. How was the article ? Regards, Vijay Kumar

On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:48:31 -0000, tw853 wrote > Dear Vijay, > > I've also gone through your article in KP Year Book 2005, p 13-17, > in preparation of a KP research work. > > Best regards and wishes, > > tw > , " Vijay Kumar " <v_kumar@c...> wrote: > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Vijay,

 

It's helpful to learn KP.

 

Sincerely,

 

tw

 

 

, " Vijay Kumar " <v_kumar@c...> wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Francois,

 

I don't have time today to reply to your post in detail, but I own the

books you mentioned and have studied them extensively. I've also spent many

years researching the ayanamsa. The ayanamsa in Surya Siddhanta and other

ancient books of India happened as an accident when the confusion between

Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs existed in the early centuries A.D. Actually

what happened is that in India the sidereal zodiac got 'stuck' at that time

with Tropical coordinates. Thus we have Raman's pseudo ayanamsa and other

ayanamsas close to that value. Tropical concepts have been introduced into

some of India's ancient texts.

 

The fact that the Lahiri ayanamsa (and Krishnamurti--only a few minutes

different) zodiacs have been adopted by the majority of contemporary

astrologers means that in actual practice these zodiacs work for the

divisional (varga) charts such as the navamsa.

 

Then of course the few western astrologers who use the Fagan-Bradley

ayanamsa are very sure that their ayanamsa is the only correct one.

 

It is rather fruitless to debate the ayanamsa without reference to numbers

of actual horoscopes. It all becomes a theoretical head trip. Gayatri Devi

Vasudev is locked into the ayanamsa of her father, and cannot see other

possibilities. This view has kept The Astrological Magazine from keeping

pace with the modern age. At least in the past, the magazine has rejected

articles describing new reserch that supported another ayanamsa.

 

Therese

 

At 11:57 AM 12/10/05 -0000, you wrote:

> , therese hamilton

><eastwest@s...> wrote:

>>

>> At 04:52 PM 12/8/05 -0800,

>

>> For a take on the sidereal signs, please check this site:

>> http://users.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm

>

>Therese,

>

>I feel sorry for your webpage. I believe you have not read old hindu

>astronomy books such as the Surya Siddhanta. If so, you would have

>taken an ayanamsha that is related to Revati, i.e. ushashashi, or the

>polar longitude of Spica.

>

>When you read the book, you see that the Stars positions relate to

>the Ushashashi ayanamsha, or take Revati as 29Pi50. This is the

>definiton of Hipparcos zodiac: " When Spica sets, Aries rises " at 36

>north. At this latitude, when Spica sets, Zeta Spicum rises, though

>the Revati tradition. Then you read the Surya Siddhanta and see an

>edition of the book that puts Spica at 180°48'. That is its place if

>you compute its culmination and put the meridian at 0 Aries. That is

>good for all the world. If so, the fiduciary date becomes 19 jan 347.

>2000 ayanamsha is around 23°00'21 " (swiss ephemeris). It means

>someone corrected the definition of Hippachos to make a correct

>zodiac: with the meridian as THE reference (and not the horizon).

>

>This goes in the direction of Raman, Bhasin, Rajan and Krushna

>(within 3') ayanamsha.

>

>This relates to the calculation of Bhaskaracharya who gave 11° of

>ayanamsha for 1183, according to Gayatri Devi Vasudev.

>

>People need to understand the hindu Tradition before they write

>something. Harmonics have nothing to do with ayanamsha.

[Guest guest]

Mr. Choudhry,

Sir,

Is the Lahiri Ayanamsha 'tried and tested'?

In your experience (and research) over the years, did you ever ponder

on the legitimacy of other ayanamshas?

Thank You.

Regards,

Fraser

[Guest guest]

Hello Mr. Fraser,

 

Yes, Lahiri ayanmsa is tried and tested. It is more than 15 years now.

I have worked with people who did deep research on ayanmsas without any

success with Ayanmsas other than Lahiri.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

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" fraser " <fraser

 

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:32 AM

Ayanamsha

 

 

> Mr. Choudhry,

> Sir,

> Is the Lahiri Ayanamsha 'tried and tested'?

> In your experience (and research) over the years, did you ever ponder

> on the legitimacy of other ayanamshas?

> Thank You.

> Regards,

> Fraser

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Vic,To my understanding it is because we need a mathematical point of reference and placement to begin an assessment. It is an astronomical calculation as much as a astrological one in the constellation of the stars. Sidereal calculation is based on the fixed stars whereas the tropical calculation is based on the Sun's rotation.Uttara

Vic D <vicdicaraJyotish Vidya <jyotish-vidya >Friday, September 19, 2008 12:52:35 PM Ayanamsha Dear Group: As I understand it currently, Ayanamsha is the "missing part" between where a heavenly body is "supposed" to be by calculation and where it actually is. Is that correct? If that is correct, though, I don't see the need for Ayanamsha in the first place. It would seem the Ayanamsha would only be needed in the *opposite* direction - to calculate the theoretical tropical position when knowing the actual sidereal position. What is the need for Ayanamsha when

we can just look up at the sky and SEE where everything is? Thanks for you feedback. Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicast rologer.net

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Good to know Vattem - thanks for your confirmation!Uttarap.s. did do you perfer addressing you as Vr or Krishnan or Vattem?Please advise. "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear,

our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson vattem krishnan <bursar_99jyotish-vidya Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:54:13 AMRe: Ayanamsha

 

Dear Uttara ji,

Siderial time needs correction to fix it up with local time(based on time zones).The factor for correction is provided through Ayanamsha.

Uttaraji,way of explanation is absolute.

regards

vrkrishnan--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >Re: Ayanamshajyotish-vidyaSunday, September 21, 2008, 2:12 AM

 

 

 

Dear Vic,I'll give it a try. The earth rotates on a ecliptic point and also wobbles against a fixed constellation. Therefore from where one stands on this planet, only so much of the constellation is seen at one time. Since the earth continues to rotate what was North South East and West in the sky can move from a point of reference for an individual. What was up yesterday could be East or West tomorrow. Gad, I hope I said that right. So, a calculated Ayanamsha of the fixed stars would remain constant even if the earth rotates against the constellation. The Ayanamsha gives a fixed point of reference. Whereas because the Tropical Chart is based on the Sun's rotation (theoretical - for it is the earths rotation) the fixed position in the sky constantly moves or separates in degrees from the fixed position and therefore, is not

actually lined up with the astronomical calculation of the signs lining up in the fixed stars. We have to remember too, that signs were created in the constellation as a reference point from Earth and because of the Earth's rotation and wobble over the years, a calculation as to where the reference point begins is not spot on. In fact it is almost 24* off and what used to be the Sun's position in the signs no longer is valid for proper placement in a birth chart. Ok, all of science, time and mathematical calculations are based on the sidereal plus more.Well, I gave it my best. I am sure other members here can answer more accurately :-).Hope it helps a little.Uttara

 

 

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com>jyotish-vidyaSaturday, September 20, 2008 3:22:43 PMRe: Ayanamsha

 

Dear Uttara,Thank you. Could you please explain further?- VicOn Sep 19, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Uttara wrote:> Hi Vic,>> To my understanding it is because we need a mathematical point of > reference and placement to begin an assessment. It is an > astronomical calculation as much as a astrological one in the > constellation of the stars. Sidereal calculation is based on the > fixed stars whereas the tropical calculation is based on the Sun's > rotation.>> Uttara>>>> > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Jyotish Vidya <jyotish-vidya@

. com>> Friday, September 19, 2008 12:52:35 PM> Subject:

Ayanamsha>> Dear Group:>> As I understand it currently, Ayanamsha is the "missing part" between> where a heavenly body is "supposed" to be by calculation and where it> actually is. Is that correct?>> If that is correct, though, I don't see the need for Ayanamsha in the> first place. It would seem the Ayanamsha would only be needed in the> *opposite* direction - to calculate the theoretical tropical position> when knowing the actual sidereal position. What is the need for> Ayanamsha when we can just look up at the sky and SEE where everything> is?>> Thanks for you feedback.>> Yours,> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor> http://www.vedicast rologer.net>>>

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Thanks Vr. Good to knowUttara "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne

Williamson vattem krishnan <bursar_99jyotish-vidya Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:03:01 PMRe: Ayanamsha

 

ThanQ.Uttara. Put simple Vr for our mails

vrkrishnan--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >Re: Ayanamshajyotish-vidyaSunday, September 21, 2008, 5:13 PM

 

 

 

Good to know Vattem - thanks for your confirmation!Uttarap.s. did do you perfer addressing you as Vr or Krishnan or Vattem?Please advise.

 

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >jyotish-vidyaSunday, September 21, 2008 7:54:13 AMRe: Ayanamsha

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Uttara ji,

Siderial time needs correction to fix it up with local time(based on time zones).The factor for correction is provided through Ayanamsha.

Uttaraji,way of explanation is absolute.

regards

vrkrishnan--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >Re: Ayanamshajyotish-vidyaSunday, September 21, 2008, 2:12 AM

 

 

 

Dear Vic,I'll give it a try. The earth rotates on a ecliptic point and also wobbles against a fixed constellation. Therefore from where one stands on this planet, only so much of the constellation is seen at one time. Since the earth continues to rotate what was North South East and West in the sky can move from a point of reference for an individual. What was up yesterday could be East or West tomorrow. Gad, I hope I said that right. So, a calculated Ayanamsha of the fixed stars would remain constant even if the earth rotates against the constellation. The Ayanamsha gives a fixed point of reference. Whereas because the Tropical Chart is based on the Sun's rotation (theoretical - for it is the earths rotation) the fixed position in the sky constantly moves or separates in degrees from the fixed position and therefore, is not

actually lined up with the astronomical calculation of the signs lining up in the fixed stars. We have to remember too, that signs were created in the constellation as a reference point from Earth and because of the Earth's rotation and wobble over the years, a calculation as to where the reference point begins is not spot on. In fact it is almost 24* off and what used to be the Sun's position in the signs no longer is valid for proper placement in a birth chart. Ok, all of science, time and mathematical calculations are based on the sidereal plus more.Well, I gave it my best. I am sure other members here can answer more accurately :-).Hope it helps a little.Uttara

 

 

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com>jyotish-vidyaSaturday, September 20, 2008 3:22:43 PMRe: Ayanamsha

 

Dear Uttara,Thank you. Could you please explain further?- VicOn Sep 19, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Uttara wrote:> Hi Vic,>> To my understanding it is because we need a mathematical point of > reference and placement to begin an assessment. It is an > astronomical calculation as much as a astrological one in the > constellation of the stars. Sidereal calculation is based on the > fixed stars whereas the tropical calculation is based on the Sun's > rotation.>> Uttara>>>> > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Jyotish Vidya <jyotish-vidya@

. com>> Friday, September 19, 2008 12:52:35 PM> Subject:

Ayanamsha>> Dear Group:>> As I understand it currently, Ayanamsha is the "missing part" between> where a heavenly body is "supposed" to be by calculation and where it> actually is. Is that correct?>> If that is correct, though, I don't see the need for Ayanamsha in the> first place. It would seem the Ayanamsha would only be needed in the> *opposite* direction - to calculate the theoretical tropical position> when knowing the actual sidereal position. What is the need for> Ayanamsha when we can just look up at the sky and SEE where everything> is?>> Thanks for you feedback.>> Yours,> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor> http://www.vedicast rologer.net>>>

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Dear Vr,

 

On Sep 21, 2008, at 5:54 AM, vattem krishnan wrote:

 

> Siderial time needs correction to fix it up with local time(based on

> time zones).The factor for correction is provided through Ayanamsha.

 

Please explain further and more clearly to the novice mind, if you

would be so kind. To my understanding the Ayanamsha is the arc of

difference between the Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs. If this is

merely a byproduct of what it is, please explain. Otherwise it seems

unnecessary when calculating a chart.

 

For example, since the sidereal zodiac is the ACTUAL positions of the

planets in the sky, why not just look up into the sky (this is an

oversimplification, of course) and see that Jupiter is 12º (for

example) into Sagittarius, etc. Why the need for an ayanamsha?

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

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Sir,

What I have cited is based on N.C.Lahiri"s table of Ascendants on Nirayana basis and is explained as a factor.Further as an astronomical factor ,it is used as the movements of planets is never considered as in regular ecliptical manner.The zig-zag movements in zodiac are now an accepted scientific fact.to ascertain proper longitudes and latidues ,this factor of ayanamsha has been used.However th dgrees:23m20s or otherwise is a variant.Late Raman and Shri KN Rao have their own calculation of Ayanmasha.Further study from Astronomical point of view justifies adoption of ayanamsa.NC lahiri has given illustrations

vrkishnan--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

Vic D <vicdicaraRe: Ayanamshajyotish-vidya Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 1:38 PM

 

 

Dear Vr,On Sep 21, 2008, at 5:54 AM, vattem krishnan wrote:> Siderial time needs correction to fix it up with local time(based on > time zones).The factor for correction is provided through Ayanamsha.Please explain further and more clearly to the novice mind, if you would be so kind. To my understanding the Ayanamsha is the arc of difference between the Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs. If this is merely a byproduct of what it is, please explain. Otherwise it seems unnecessary when calculating a chart.For example, since the sidereal zodiac is the ACTUAL positions of the planets in the sky, why not just look up into the sky (this is an oversimplification, of course) and see that Jupiter is 12º (for example) into Sagittarius, etc. Why the need for an ayanamsha?Yours,Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishorhttp://www.vedicast rologer.net

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Dear All:

 

Allow me to re-phrase my Ayanamsha question...

 

By all accounts that I have found, the Ayanamsha describes the

discrepancy between the tropical zodiac and the sidereal

zodiac. ...Agreed?

 

As such it is useful in converting tropical positions to side-real,

and visa-versa. ...Right?

 

Why should it have any use in calculating side-real positions in and

of themselves??? Unless we have no way to calculate those positions

except by first calculating the tropical positions???? Is that the case?

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

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HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved

wrote:

 

 

Shri A. Sharma ji,

Namastey!

<Hindu Calendar Reform is a serious issue and time-and-tide wait for no one.>

 

Yes, you are right, calendar reform is entirely different from making

predictions through " Vedic astrology " which come correct only if made from

" sahasra-kona " wrong data, like the ones on the basis of non-available Surya

Sidhanta or Lahiri or Ramana or Muladhara and so on non-existent Rashichakras.

I also wonder as to what contribution you have made to the calendar reform

except for leg pulling and bad jokes.

As such, my dear Sharma ji, pl keep this one-upmanship to yourself since " Vedic

astrologers " can not do anything except making " correct predictions from

incorrect data " .

Regarding " ding-ding-ding " , proof of pudding is in the eating! Just take a look

at vedic astrology () forum and see as to what ding-ding-ding is going on

there between the " elder brother " (Da!) and the sibling!

All that tamasha is of course free, but unlike " Vedic astrologers " , it makes me

sad that those who are going all out to prove that celebrating Makar Sankanti on

a wrong day is the sacred duty of every Hindu, cannot put their own house in

order!

I would not call that " boxing Mandala " but " Vedic jyotisha mandala " where

astrlogers are advised as to how much " somaras " they must have as per which

work, in order to make all the more correct predictions from absolutely wrong

data!

Pl. therefore, stop kettle calling the pot black and sweep before your own door!

Dhanyavad.

A K Kaul

HinduCalendar , A Sharma <asharmanz@> wrote:

>

>

> Hari Malla ji keeps saying " Kaulji wants to have zero degree ayanamsa " .

>  

> I understand that AKKji is saying the concept of Ayanaansha is false. This is

different from saying " zero " .

>  

> And now for a lite moment with respect to shadow-boxing' ... Ding Ding Ding

!!! ... in the Laal-Kona we have PP, in the Neela-Kona we have AKK, and in

the Hara-Kona we have VJ. Folks this is history in the making with the

boxing Mandala going from Chatuskona to Trikona. But wait, what is this? We see

a new Varna emerging namely magenta. Evolution, folks, evolution as we see the

red and blue corners merge into magenta and take on the green corner. With that

the ring is no more and only a line divides the two sides. ... Ding Ding Ding

!!! ...

>  

> Please keep your abusive languages and irrelevant name-calling and irrelevant

one-up-manship etcetera to yourselves. Hindu Calendar Reform is a serious issue

and time-and-tide wait for no one.

>  

> ASharma.

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 7/16/09, harimalla@ <harimalla@> wrote:

> Dear Prashanta pandeyji,

> Namaskar!

> If Jhaaji so likes the discussions can go in parvasudhar2o65

forum.In this forum it would be a good discussions as Jhaaji may support as per

surya sidhanta, maaximum 27 degrees ayanamsa plus and minus trepidation whereas

Kaulji wants to have zero degree ayanamsa.In such a case, I would like to invite

all those who want to particiate in the discussions.

> please let me know if there is such a preference.

> Hari Malla

>  

>

 

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