Warren Buffett/correction

August 4, 2006

Dear Arun and Vyas-

Oops-sorry I was wrong about 1966- I got that year from the list of life

events. However in the biography it says his father passed after the winter of

1964, so you are probably correct on the date. So please disregard all of those

1966 transits and dasas I mentioned in my last email. Sheri Powers

Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote:

Dear Arun and Vyas,

I am thoroughly enjoying the pitching and batting discussion on Warren Buffett.

According to his biography, Warren's father was very, very religious. Warren was

raised in a very religious home, but his logical mind couldn't accept faith

without proof, though he kept this from his family until later. His father

became a (very) conservative US congressman and served (I believe) 3 terms.

Also, Warren's father died in the spring of 1966, not 1964. I had not seen the

April 30th date, but when I was checking the month of April, 1966, I found the

13 degree Leo chart in Ketu-Saturn-Rahu, and in the 13 degree Aquarius chart-

Venus-Rahu-Mercury. The father had cancer and had taken a sudden turn for the

worse prior to passing. On April 10, 1966, Transit Mars was exactly on natal

Rahu, Transit Jupiter exactly aspected by natal Ketu, transit Saturn exactly

aspected by transit Ketu, as well as transit Mercury, and transit Sun was in

late Pisces, aspected by natal Rahu.

Saturn, Sun and Mercury were in the 8th in Leo chart and 2nd in the Aquarius

chart.

It seems to me he would have trouble with the Ketu dasa, because Ketu is weakly

deposited. With the Leo ascendant, Ketu ran from 1960 to 1967, and with Aquarius

from around 1950 to 1957. So, I am reading about these time periods in his life.

Any opinions about the Ketu dasa are greatly appreciated. I lean toward the Leo

ascendant but haven't decided and am learning from the discussion. Thanks-

Sincerely, Sheri Powers

Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote:

Dear Vyas,

It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what his

motivation for having them really is.

The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close

influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, and on

the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive 'scarcity of

resources' thinking.

Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it is

placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there.

Best Wishes,

Arun

Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun,

Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of

religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition.

If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Arun Rao " <arunrao9

Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM

Re: Warren Buffett

Dear Vyas,

The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else.

Economics is his religion.

His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically

speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment.

Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above both

the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of

children/progeny as well as morality and generosity.

The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th

house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house also

represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along with

its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional imprint

there.

Best Wishes,

Arun

Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Dear Arun,

Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to

be

taken care of nicely (children and higher education).

One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly

helps and fits very well with the Aq asc.

As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past

anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th

sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've seen.

Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get onboard

fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong side

of

the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I know

some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area more

than the average person.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Arun Rao " <arunrao9

Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM

Re: Warren Buffett

Dear Vyas,

When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for

to a good extent.

I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of

Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors.

Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house

issues.

One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be

driven by economic principles above anything else.

L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the

mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in the

8th house itself.

Best Wishes,

Arun

Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Dear Arun,

Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population

control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a closet

case religious man.

We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Arun Rao " <arunrao9

Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM

Re: Warren Buffett

Dear Vyas,

The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering any

touchy religious questions.

Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the

religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him.

He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically

correct (in a roundabout way).

Best Wishes,

Arun

Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Dear Arun,

I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the

second wealthiest man in the world.

Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and

afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely

inline

with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by

Mars.

I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo

asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he

wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived

his

mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his

genetic empire.

I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, "

rather,

" which asc fits him best. "

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Arun Rao " <arunrao9

Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM

Re: Warren Buffett

Dear Vyas,

As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my

religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to

all

sorts of divination.

I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much

religiously inclined in my private life.

Best Wishes,

Arun

Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Dear Arun,

In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for

secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's

longelivity

isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and

advocate

of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) -

must

have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Arun Rao " <arunrao9

Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM

Re: Warren Buffett

Dear Vyas,

Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in

the

case of Mars)?

He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic

view on religion in general.

Best Wishes,

Arun

Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Dear Arun,

In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong

Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious

principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter

and

Sun.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Arun Rao " <arunrao9

Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM

Re: Warren Buffett

Dear Vyas,

It's hard for me to say.

What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be

drastically different.

Best Wishes,

Arun

Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Dear Professor, Arun and list,

Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in

a Leo asc chart?

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Arun Rao " <arunrao9

Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM

Re: Warren Buffett

Dear Ms. Powers,

You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to

see.

I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons:

(a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the

9

planets on 8/30/1930.

(b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the

ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone

structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired

physical

traits.

ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless

one

with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd

house

stands out the most.

(d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9

act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house

of

status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong

Sun

on

the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart.

(d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy

Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator

for

assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along

with

Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as

well,

along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon.

(e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear

of public speaking.

Hope this helps.

Best Wishes,

Arun

Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote:

Dear List,

Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the

book

" Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at

the

library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no

birth

time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed,

and

he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and

emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis.

(perhaps

debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources,

is

Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13,

1931,

the

most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and

Aquarius.

On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong

benefics

were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and

Gemini-5.

(This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most

combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9.

Warren

and family suffered poverty in

his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong

motivation

to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very

rich.

With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu

subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the

chart

is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation

rather

than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime

which

gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's

suggestion of around 13 degrees rising.

I will finish reading the book and check out the events against

the

other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and

glad

to

hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check

out

the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong

possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius.

I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers

Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote:

Dear Vyas,

The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at.

In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with

strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be

a

stronger possibility.

Best Wishes,

Arun

Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun,

As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality.

How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su

L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence

through

investments as well.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Arun Rao " <arunrao9

Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM

Re: Warren Buffett

My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas,

Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when

the

Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely.

One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose

may

be prominent and somewhat wide.

Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other

Leo's.

Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one

Best Wishes,

Arun

siha wrote:

Hello Vyas,

Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility.

Best wishes,

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM

Re: Warren Buffett

> Dear Professor,

>

> What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in

the

world

> who lives like a miser comparatively?

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Arun Rao " <arunrao9

>

> Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM

> Re: Warren Buffett

>

> My dear Vyas,

>

> Yes it would be nice to have his chart.

>

> In my view, the potential ascendants are:

>

> Leo

> Virgo

> Libra

> Pisces

>

> Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason.

>

> What do you think?

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Arun

>

> Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

> Dear Jorge and Arun,

>

> You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to

understand

the

> chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the

world.

>

> If this helps the discussion...

>

> A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite

great

> wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought

many

> years

> ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always

succeed

> with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices

positioned

him

> better, contact-wise.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>

> Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM

> RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren

Buffet

>

> My dear Mr. Arun,

>

> I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

> On

Behalf

> Of Arun Rao

> quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34

>

> RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren

Buffet

>

> My dear Mr. Angelino,

>

> Thank you for your efforts.

>

> Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a

general

> overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is

no

> verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware

of.

>

> Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications

off

of,

> it

> becomes guesswork.

>

> Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but

obviously

> we

> cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the

placements

> of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable

ascendant.

>

> But deeper examination is needed.

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Arun

>

> Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK

> " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt>

wrote:

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my

>

> Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can

dive

in

> a

> successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no

> trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list

> members

> have a better luck.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

> HYPERLINK

> " %40 "

> [HYPERLINK

> " %40 " ] On

Behalf

Of

> Vyas Munidas

> terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08

> HYPERLINK

" %40 "

> Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren

Buffet

>

> Dear Jorge,

>

> Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about

this

> chart.

> He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've

included

a

> timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life

in

hopes

> that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other

> esteemed

> members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks.

>

> Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST

>

> 1944: (14 years old)

> invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland

>

> 1945: (15 years old)

> first job

>

> 1947: (17 years old)

> freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania.

>

> 1950: (20 years old)

> Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at

> Columbia.

>

> 1952: (22 years old)

> Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child,

female

>

> 1954: (24 years old)

> New job with Graham

> Second child, male

>

> 1956: (26 years old)

> Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The

Buffett

> family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett

> Associates,

> Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends

put

in

a

> total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the

course

of

> the year,

>

> 1957: (27 years old)

> Third child, Peter,

> Purchased a five-bedroom house

>

> 1960: (30 years old)

> Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other

doctors

who

> will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership.

Eventually,

> 11

> doctors agreed to invest.

>

> 1961: (31 years old)

> With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1

million

> investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company.

>

> 1965: (35 years old)

> Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old)

>

> 1968: (38 years old)

> Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal

arts

> college in Iowa.

>

> 1969: (39 years old)

> Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership

and

> liquidated its assets to his partners.

>

> 1971: (41 years old)

> At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at

Laguna

> Beach.

>

> 1974: (44 years old)

> Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock

portfolio

> began

> to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The

U.S.

> Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation

into

> Warren

> GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the

> investigation.

>

> 1977: (47 years old)

> Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5

million.

> Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a

competing

> paper.

> Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him.

This

> caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett.

>

> 1983: (53 years old)

> Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for

the

> first

> time.

>

> 1988: (58 years old)

> Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually

purchasing

up

> to

> 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be

one

of

> Berkshire's most lucrative investments.

>

> 1989: (59 years old)

> Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net

worth

> rose

> with it to $3.8 billion.

>

> 1997: (67 years old)

> Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an

investment

at

> about $6 per ounce.

>

> 2002: (72 years old)

> Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to

deliver

US

> dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on

these

> contracts was over $2 billion.

>

> 2003: (73 years old)

> By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over

$600

> million dollars.

> Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll,

conducted

> by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party

nominee

for

> President in 2004.[14]

>

> 2004: (74 years old)

> Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of

Coca-Cola

> Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict

of

> interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane,

heavy

> buyers

> of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to

favor

> Pepsi? "

>

> 2005: (75 years old)

> The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US

dollar

> strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's

reinsurance

> divisions.

>

> 2006: (76 years old)

>

> Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their

General

Re

> Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with

American

> International Group.

> Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase

he

has

> ever made outside of the United States.

> Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or

about

> $37

> billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual

gifts

of

> stock starting in July 2006.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK

>

" jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt>

> <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK

> " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com>

> Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM

> RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren

Buffet

>

> > My dear Vyas,

> >

> > I have not such rectified charts in my data.

> >

> > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a

> > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the

> > possibility

> > of having friendship with the government and important people.

> >

> > A good link about W. Buffet is HYPERLINK

> > " HYPERLINK " HYPERLINK

> >

>

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August 4, 2006

Dear Ms. Powers,

Ok.

The date of passing is consistently given as April 30, 1964 as I mentioned in my

earlier message to you.