Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Professor, I think your input is required here as there are lots of arguments on either side. Comparing Leo vs Aq, which would be more suitable on that day considering the following issues: 1) Atheism 2) Pro abortion and population control 3) Better longelivity of mother vs father since the natal chart superseeds all as you have recently driven home Both Arun and I fully agree that Leo is a more affluent chart, however these issues remain outstanding in my opinion. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 3:15 AM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The longevity of any individual is difficult to gauge exactly, let alone having to do as such for someone else based on a chart other than their own. Judging from the transits on 4/30/1964, Leo ascendant gives us better indications for the passing of the father. Natal L9 was under the close affliction of the nodes. Transit L9 had come under the influence of the natal nodes. The final trigger may well have been the influence of transit MMP Moon on natal L9. Plus the nodal sub and main period were running, which adds an extra dose of malefic relevance to the natal and transit L9. Both the 4th and 9th houses have a role to play with regards to parents. Though they are skewed to one parent respectively, there is overlap. The 8th house first and foremost gives obstructions. It is a malefic house. The obstructions given by the house can lead one to pursue mysticism, religion, occult, etc. to find meaning in life. As for Saturn, the influence can be there in both charts. Since his views on childbirth are on the restrictive side, I think it is reasonable to see a strong Saturnian influence on the 5th and 2nd houses. He seems to have en extremely pragmatic, emotionally detached mental approach to life. The 5th and 2nd houses strongly influence one's intelligence. The numbers drive him-- luxuries, pleasures, and enjoyments play no role whatsoever. Saturn and Mercury would be the influences at work here, along with Mars. Strong Mars-Saturn-Mercury is a combination for fantastic technical mastery. One can argue that an Aquarius native would be spiritualized as well, with the strong L1 Saturn ruling the religious traits of Saturn, the strong 5th house, the strong 8th house, and the strong Sun/Jupiter. Perhaps not to the same extent as Leo. The Aquarian would be drawn to mystical knowledge in this case. Buffett's father was a prominent, successful figure. His father was himself into the investment business. So, it is reasonable to say that Buffett's father played a sizeable role in shaping his child's earlier years of life, which in turn contributed to the latter's line of work and huge successes down the road. The role of the father is larger in the Leo chart. There is a passing of the torch in the case of Leo that I don't see as strongly with Aquarius. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Thanks for clarifying. I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & religious thinking. " S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the Saturnian spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a capacity for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, discipline, self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the spiritual life. " {Saturn in either consideration will give this} S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H is transferred to the 9H. " {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity of father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what his motivation for having them really is. The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, and on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive 'scarcity of resources' thinking. Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it is placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. Economics is his religion. His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above both the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house also represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along with its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional imprint there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to be taken care of nicely (children and higher education). One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've seen. Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get onboard fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong side of the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I know some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area more than the average person. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for to a good extent. I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house issues. One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be driven by economic principles above anything else. L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in the 8th house itself. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a closet case religious man. We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering any touchy religious questions. Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically correct (in a roundabout way). Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Hello dear Vyas, I was away and have returned just now. I will look into this and will revert separately. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com www.JyotishRemedies121.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018. (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Friday, August 04, 2006 6:55 PM To Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > I think your input is required here as there are lots of arguments on > either > side. Comparing Leo vs Aq, which would be more suitable on that day > considering the following issues: > > 1) Atheism > 2) Pro abortion and population control > 3) Better longelivity of mother vs father since the natal chart superseeds > all as you have recently driven home > > Both Arun and I fully agree that Leo is a more affluent chart, however > these > issues remain outstanding in my opinion. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Friday, August 04, 2006 3:15 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Vyas, > > The longevity of any individual is difficult to gauge exactly, let alone > having to do as such for someone else based on a chart other than their > own. > > Judging from the transits on 4/30/1964, Leo ascendant gives us better > indications for the passing of the father. Natal L9 was under the close > affliction of the nodes. Transit L9 had come under the influence of the > natal nodes. The final trigger may well have been the influence of transit > MMP Moon on natal L9. Plus the nodal sub and main period were running, > which > adds an extra dose of malefic relevance to the natal and transit L9. > > Both the 4th and 9th houses have a role to play with regards to parents. > Though they are skewed to one parent respectively, there is overlap. > > The 8th house first and foremost gives obstructions. It is a malefic > house. > The obstructions given by the house can lead one to pursue mysticism, > religion, occult, etc. to find meaning in life. > > As for Saturn, the influence can be there in both charts. Since his views > on > childbirth are on the restrictive side, I think it is reasonable to see a > strong Saturnian influence on the 5th and 2nd houses. > > He seems to have en extremely pragmatic, emotionally detached mental > approach to life. The 5th and 2nd houses strongly influence one's > intelligence. The numbers drive him-- luxuries, pleasures, and > enjoyments > play no role whatsoever. Saturn and Mercury would be the influences at > work > here, along with Mars. Strong Mars-Saturn-Mercury is a combination for > fantastic technical mastery. > > One can argue that an Aquarius native would be spiritualized as well, with > the strong L1 Saturn ruling the religious traits of Saturn, the strong 5th > house, the strong 8th house, and the strong Sun/Jupiter. Perhaps not to > the > same extent as Leo. The Aquarian would be drawn to mystical knowledge in > this case. > > Buffett's father was a prominent, successful figure. His father was > himself > into the investment business. So, it is reasonable to say that Buffett's > father played a sizeable role in shaping his child's earlier years of > life, > which in turn contributed to the latter's line of work and huge successes > down the road. The role of the father is larger in the Leo chart. There is > a > passing of the torch in the case of Leo that I don't see as strongly with > Aquarius. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Thanks for clarifying. > > I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: > > S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & > religious thinking. " > > S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the Saturnian > spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a > capacity > for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, discipline, > self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the > spiritual life. " > > {Saturn in either consideration will give this} > > S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H is > transferred to the 9H. " > > {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} > > The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, > funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity > of > father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what > his > motivation for having them really is. > > The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close > influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, > and > on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive > 'scarcity of resources' thinking. > > Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it > is > placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of > religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. > > If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. > Economics is his religion. > > His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically > speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. > > Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above > both > the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of > children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. > > The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th > house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house > also > represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along > with > its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional > imprint > there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to > be > taken care of nicely (children and higher education). > > One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly > helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. > > As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past > anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th > sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've > seen. > Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get > onboard > fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong > side > of > the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I > know > some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area > more > than the average person. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for > to a good extent. > > I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of > Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. > > Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house > issues. > > One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be > driven by economic principles above anything else. > > L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the > mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in > the > 8th house itself. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population > control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a > closet > case religious man. > > We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering > any > touchy religious questions. > > Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the > religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. > > He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically > correct (in a roundabout way). > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the > second wealthiest man in the world. > > Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and > afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely > inline > with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by > Mars. > > I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo > asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, > he > wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have > outlived > his > mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his > genetic empire. > > I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " > rather, > " which asc fits him best. " > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my > religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to > all > sorts of divination. > > I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much > religiously inclined in my private life. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for > secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's > longelivity > isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and > advocate > of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - > must > have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in > the > case of Mars)? > > He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a > pessimistic > view on religion in general. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong > Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of > religious > principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets > Jupiter > and > Sun. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It's hard for me to say. > > What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be > drastically different. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Professor, Arun and list, > > Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this > in > a Leo asc chart? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to > see. > > I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: > > (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the > 9 > planets on 8/30/1930. > > (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing > the > ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial > bone > structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired > physical > traits. > > © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being > ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can > bless > one > with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the > 2nd > house > stands out the most. > > (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and > L9 > act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd > house > of > status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the > strong > Sun > on > the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. > > (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy > Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime > significator > for > assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, > along > with > Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as > well, > along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. > > (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear > of public speaking. > > Hope this helps. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: > Dear List, > Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the > book > " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, > at > the > library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though > no > birth > time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked > closed, > and > he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental > and > emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. > (perhaps > debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet > sources, > is > Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, > 1931, > the > most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and > Aquarius. > On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong > benefics > were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and > Gemini-5. > (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the > most > combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. > Warren > and family suffered poverty in > his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong > motivation > to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be > very > rich. > With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in > Ketu > subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since > the > chart > is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation > rather > than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 > birthtime > which > gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's > suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. > I will finish reading the book and check out the events against > the > other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, > and > glad > to > hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will > check > out > the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong > possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. > I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked > at. > > In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with > strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to > be > a > stronger possibility. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, > > As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. > > How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su > L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic > affluence > through > investments as well. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, > > Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when > the > Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. > > One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose > may > be prominent and somewhat wide. > > Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other > Leo's. > > Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one > > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > siha wrote: > Hello Vyas, > > Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Professor, > > > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in > the > world > > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > - > > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > > Re: Warren Buffett > > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > > > Leo > > Virgo > > Libra > > Pisces > > > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to > understand > the > > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in > the > world. > > > > If this helps the discussion... > > > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally > despite > great > > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he > bought > many > > years > > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't > always > succeed > > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices > positioned > him > > better, contact-wise. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > On > Behalf > > Of Arun Rao > > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > > > Thank you for your efforts. > > > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a > general > > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there > is > no > > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well > aware > of. > > > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base > rectifications > off > of, > > it > > becomes guesswork. > > > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but > obviously > > we > > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the > placements > > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable > ascendant. > > > > But deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > > > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> > wrote: > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my > previous > > message. > > > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one > can > dive > in > > a > > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but > no > > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested > list > > members > > have a better luck. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " %40 " > > [HYPERLINK > > " %40 " ] On > Behalf > Of > > Vyas Munidas > > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > Dear Jorge, > > > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about > this > > chart. > > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've > included > a > > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's > life > in > hopes > > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and > other > > esteemed > > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > > > 1944: (14 years old) > > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > > > 1945: (15 years old) > > first job > > > > 1947: (17 years old) > > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of > Pennsylvania. > > > > 1950: (20 years old) > > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled > at > > Columbia. > > > > 1952: (22 years old) > > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, > female > > > > 1954: (24 years old) > > New job with Graham > > Second child, male > > > > 1956: (26 years old) > > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. > The > Buffett > > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > > Associates, > > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and > friends > put > in > a > > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the > course > of > > the year, > > > > 1957: (27 years old) > > Third child, Peter, > > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > > > 1960: (30 years old) > > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other > doctors > who > > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. > Eventually, > > 11 > > doctors agreed to invest. > > > > 1961: (31 years old) > > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 > million > > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > > > 1965: (35 years old) > > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > > > 1968: (38 years old) > > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious > liberal > arts > > college in Iowa. > > > > 1969: (39 years old) > > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the > partnership > and > > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > > > 1971: (41 years old) > > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home > at > Laguna > > Beach. > > > > 1974: (44 years old) > > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock > portfolio > > began > > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The > U.S. > > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation > into > > Warren > > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of > the > > investigation. > > > > 1977: (47 years old) > > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for > $32.5 > million. > > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a > competing > > paper. > > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing > him. > This > > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > > > 1983: (53 years old) > > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 > for > the > > first > > time. > > > > 1988: (58 years old) > > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually > purchasing > up > > to > > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to > be > one > of > > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > > > 1989: (59 years old) > > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's > net > worth > > rose > > with it to $3.8 billion. > > > > 1997: (67 years old) > > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an > investment > at > > about $6 per ounce. > > > > 2002: (72 years old) > > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to > deliver > US > > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain > on > these > > contracts was over $2 billion. > > > > 2003: (73 years old) > > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over > $600 > > million dollars. > > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, > conducted > > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party > nominee > for > > President in 2004.[14] > > > > 2004: (74 years old) > > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of > Coca-Cola > > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a > conflict > of > > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, > heavy > > buyers > > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to > favor > > Pepsi? " > > > > 2005: (75 years old) > > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the > US > dollar > > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's > reinsurance > > divisions. > > > > 2006: (76 years old) > > > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their > General > Re > > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with > American > > International Group. > > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest > purchase > he > has > > ever made outside of the United States. > > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% > or > about > > $37 > > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual > gifts > of > > stock starting in July 2006. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > > > > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to > become > a > > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > > possibility > > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Hello dear Vyas, I am solely basing my view for the ascendant on the basis of the list of events given in one of the messages. The death of father, his persistent entrepreneureship, easy gains, financial investments are the reasons which weigh in favor of an Aquarius ascendant. Strong Saturn, aspect of strong Sun to the ascendant, third lord strong in fifth house and mutually acting with strong lord of the ascendant, aspect of strong Jupiter to the ascendant and strong and exalted Mercury in the eighth house are the basis. Those who are taking lot of interest in this can analyze further with taking the ascending degree around 18 with birth time as around 1905 hours. As Arun said he looks like Leo, the aspect of the Sun to the ascendant seems to be the reason for the same. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com www.JyotishRemedies121.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018. (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Friday, August 04, 2006 6:55 PM To Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > I think your input is required here as there are lots of arguments on > either > side. Comparing Leo vs Aq, which would be more suitable on that day > considering the following issues: > > 1) Atheism > 2) Pro abortion and population control > 3) Better longelivity of mother vs father since the natal chart superseeds > all as you have recently driven home > > Both Arun and I fully agree that Leo is a more affluent chart, however > these > issues remain outstanding in my opinion. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Friday, August 04, 2006 3:15 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Vyas, > > The longevity of any individual is difficult to gauge exactly, let alone > having to do as such for someone else based on a chart other than their > own. > > Judging from the transits on 4/30/1964, Leo ascendant gives us better > indications for the passing of the father. Natal L9 was under the close > affliction of the nodes. Transit L9 had come under the influence of the > natal nodes. The final trigger may well have been the influence of transit > MMP Moon on natal L9. Plus the nodal sub and main period were running, > which > adds an extra dose of malefic relevance to the natal and transit L9. > > Both the 4th and 9th houses have a role to play with regards to parents. > Though they are skewed to one parent respectively, there is overlap. > > The 8th house first and foremost gives obstructions. It is a malefic > house. > The obstructions given by the house can lead one to pursue mysticism, > religion, occult, etc. to find meaning in life. > > As for Saturn, the influence can be there in both charts. Since his views > on > childbirth are on the restrictive side, I think it is reasonable to see a > strong Saturnian influence on the 5th and 2nd houses. > > He seems to have en extremely pragmatic, emotionally detached mental > approach to life. The 5th and 2nd houses strongly influence one's > intelligence. The numbers drive him-- luxuries, pleasures, and > enjoyments > play no role whatsoever. Saturn and Mercury would be the influences at > work > here, along with Mars. Strong Mars-Saturn-Mercury is a combination for > fantastic technical mastery. > > One can argue that an Aquarius native would be spiritualized as well, with > the strong L1 Saturn ruling the religious traits of Saturn, the strong 5th > house, the strong 8th house, and the strong Sun/Jupiter. Perhaps not to > the > same extent as Leo. The Aquarian would be drawn to mystical knowledge in > this case. > > Buffett's father was a prominent, successful figure. His father was > himself > into the investment business. So, it is reasonable to say that Buffett's > father played a sizeable role in shaping his child's earlier years of > life, > which in turn contributed to the latter's line of work and huge successes > down the road. The role of the father is larger in the Leo chart. There is > a > passing of the torch in the case of Leo that I don't see as strongly with > Aquarius. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Thanks for clarifying. > > I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: > > S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & > religious thinking. " > > S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the Saturnian > spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a > capacity > for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, discipline, > self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the > spiritual life. " > > {Saturn in either consideration will give this} > > S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H is > transferred to the 9H. " > > {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} > > The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, > funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity > of > father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what > his > motivation for having them really is. > > The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close > influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, > and > on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive > 'scarcity of resources' thinking. > > Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it > is > placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of > religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. > > If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. > Economics is his religion. > > His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically > speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. > > Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above > both > the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of > children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. > > The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th > house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house > also > represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along > with > its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional > imprint > there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to > be > taken care of nicely (children and higher education). > > One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly > helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. > > As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past > anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th > sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've > seen. > Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get > onboard > fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong > side > of > the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I > know > some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area > more > than the average person. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for > to a good extent. > > I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of > Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. > > Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house > issues. > > One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be > driven by economic principles above anything else. > > L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the > mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in > the > 8th house itself. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population > control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a > closet > case religious man. > > We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering > any > touchy religious questions. > > Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the > religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. > > He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically > correct (in a roundabout way). > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the > second wealthiest man in the world. > > Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and > afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely > inline > with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by > Mars. > > I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo > asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, > he > wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have > outlived > his > mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his > genetic empire. > > I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " > rather, > " which asc fits him best. " > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my > religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to > all > sorts of divination. > > I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much > religiously inclined in my private life. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for > secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's > longelivity > isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and > advocate > of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - > must > have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in > the > case of Mars)? > > He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a > pessimistic > view on religion in general. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong > Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of > religious > principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets > Jupiter > and > Sun. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It's hard for me to say. > > What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be > drastically different. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Professor, Arun and list, > > Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this > in > a Leo asc chart? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to > see. > > I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: > > (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the > 9 > planets on 8/30/1930. > > (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing > the > ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial > bone > structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired > physical > traits. > > © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being > ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can > bless > one > with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the > 2nd > house > stands out the most. > > (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and > L9 > act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd > house > of > status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the > strong > Sun > on > the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. > > (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy > Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime > significator > for > assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, > along > with > Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as > well, > along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. > > (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear > of public speaking. > > Hope this helps. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: > Dear List, > Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the > book > " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, > at > the > library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though > no > birth > time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked > closed, > and > he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental > and > emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. > (perhaps > debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet > sources, > is > Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, > 1931, > the > most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and > Aquarius. > On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong > benefics > were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and > Gemini-5. > (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the > most > combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. > Warren > and family suffered poverty in > his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong > motivation > to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be > very > rich. > With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in > Ketu > subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since > the > chart > is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation > rather > than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 > birthtime > which > gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's > suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. > I will finish reading the book and check out the events against > the > other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, > and > glad > to > hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will > check > out > the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong > possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. > I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked > at. > > In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with > strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to > be > a > stronger possibility. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, > > As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. > > How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su > L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic > affluence > through > investments as well. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, > > Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when > the > Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. > > One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose > may > be prominent and somewhat wide. > > Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other > Leo's. > > Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one > > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > siha wrote: > Hello Vyas, > > Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Professor, > > > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in > the > world > > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > - > > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > > Re: Warren Buffett > > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > > > Leo > > Virgo > > Libra > > Pisces > > > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to > understand > the > > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in > the > world. > > > > If this helps the discussion... > > > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally > despite > great > > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he > bought > many > > years > > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't > always > succeed > > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices > positioned > him > > better, contact-wise. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > On > Behalf > > Of Arun Rao > > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > > > Thank you for your efforts. > > > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a > general > > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there > is > no > > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well > aware > of. > > > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base > rectifications > off > of, > > it > > becomes guesswork. > > > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but > obviously > > we > > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the > placements > > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable > ascendant. > > > > But deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > > > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> > wrote: > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my > previous > > message. > > > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one > can > dive > in > > a > > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but > no > > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested > list > > members > > have a better luck. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " %40 " > > [HYPERLINK > > " %40 " ] On > Behalf > Of > > Vyas Munidas > > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > Dear Jorge, > > > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about > this > > chart. > > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've > included > a > > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's > life > in > hopes > > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and > other > > esteemed > > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > > > 1944: (14 years old) > > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > > > 1945: (15 years old) > > first job > > > > 1947: (17 years old) > > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of > Pennsylvania. > > > > 1950: (20 years old) > > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled > at > > Columbia. > > > > 1952: (22 years old) > > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, > female > > > > 1954: (24 years old) > > New job with Graham > > Second child, male > > > > 1956: (26 years old) > > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. > The > Buffett > > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > > Associates, > > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and > friends > put > in > a > > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the > course > of > > the year, > > > > 1957: (27 years old) > > Third child, Peter, > > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > > > 1960: (30 years old) > > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other > doctors > who > > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. > Eventually, > > 11 > > doctors agreed to invest. > > > > 1961: (31 years old) > > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 > million > > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > > > 1965: (35 years old) > > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > > > 1968: (38 years old) > > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious > liberal > arts > > college in Iowa. > > > > 1969: (39 years old) > > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the > partnership > and > > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > > > 1971: (41 years old) > > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home > at > Laguna > > Beach. > > > > 1974: (44 years old) > > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock > portfolio > > began > > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The > U.S. > > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation > into > > Warren > > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of > the > > investigation. > > > > 1977: (47 years old) > > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for > $32.5 > million. > > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a > competing > > paper. > > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing > him. > This > > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > > > 1983: (53 years old) > > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 > for > the > > first > > time. > > > > 1988: (58 years old) > > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually > purchasing > up > > to > > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to > be > one > of > > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > > > 1989: (59 years old) > > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's > net > worth > > rose > > with it to $3.8 billion. > > > > 1997: (67 years old) > > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an > investment > at > > about $6 per ounce. > > > > 2002: (72 years old) > > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to > deliver > US > > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain > on > these > > contracts was over $2 billion. > > > > 2003: (73 years old) > > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over > $600 > > million dollars. > > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, > conducted > > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party > nominee > for > > President in 2004.[14] > > > > 2004: (74 years old) > > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of > Coca-Cola > > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a > conflict > of > > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, > heavy > > buyers > > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to > favor > > Pepsi? " > > > > 2005: (75 years old) > > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the > US > dollar > > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's > reinsurance > > divisions. > > > > 2006: (76 years old) > > > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their > General > Re > > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with > American > > International Group. > > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest > purchase > he > has > > ever made outside of the United States. > > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% > or > about > > $37 > > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual > gifts > of > > stock starting in July 2006. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > > > > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to > become > a > > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > > possibility > > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dearest Professor, Thank you for your valuable insights. Arun and I likely would have gone on for another 60 messages. Will study further. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha Friday, August 04, 2006 1:22 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett > > Hello dear Vyas, > > I am solely basing my view for the ascendant on the basis of the list of > events given in one of the messages. > > The death of father, his persistent entrepreneureship, easy gains, > financial investments are the reasons which weigh in favor of an Aquarius > ascendant. > > Strong Saturn, aspect of strong Sun to the ascendant, third lord strong in > fifth house and mutually acting with strong lord of the ascendant, aspect > of > strong Jupiter to the ascendant and strong and exalted Mercury in the > eighth > house are the basis. Those who are taking lot of interest in this can > analyze further with taking the ascending degree around 18 with birth time > as around 1905 hours. > > As Arun said he looks like Leo, the aspect of the Sun to the ascendant > seems > to be the reason for the same. > > Best wishes, > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com > www.JyotishRemedies121.com > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018. (India) > Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 > Mobile 98110 16333 > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Friday, August 04, 2006 6:55 PM > To Re: Warren Buffett > > >> Dear Professor, >> >> I think your input is required here as there are lots of arguments on >> either >> side. Comparing Leo vs Aq, which would be more suitable on that day >> considering the following issues: >> >> 1) Atheism >> 2) Pro abortion and population control >> 3) Better longelivity of mother vs father since the natal chart >> superseeds >> all as you have recently driven home >> >> Both Arun and I fully agree that Leo is a more affluent chart, however >> these >> issues remain outstanding in my opinion. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> >> >> - >> " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 >> >> Friday, August 04, 2006 3:15 AM >> Re: Warren Buffett >> >> >> Dear Vyas, >> >> The longevity of any individual is difficult to gauge exactly, let alone >> having to do as such for someone else based on a chart other than their >> own. >> >> Judging from the transits on 4/30/1964, Leo ascendant gives us better >> indications for the passing of the father. Natal L9 was under the close >> affliction of the nodes. Transit L9 had come under the influence of the >> natal nodes. The final trigger may well have been the influence of >> transit >> MMP Moon on natal L9. Plus the nodal sub and main period were running, >> which >> adds an extra dose of malefic relevance to the natal and transit L9. >> >> Both the 4th and 9th houses have a role to play with regards to parents. >> Though they are skewed to one parent respectively, there is overlap. >> >> The 8th house first and foremost gives obstructions. It is a malefic >> house. >> The obstructions given by the house can lead one to pursue mysticism, >> religion, occult, etc. to find meaning in life. >> >> As for Saturn, the influence can be there in both charts. Since his views >> on >> childbirth are on the restrictive side, I think it is reasonable to see a >> strong Saturnian influence on the 5th and 2nd houses. >> >> He seems to have en extremely pragmatic, emotionally detached mental >> approach to life. The 5th and 2nd houses strongly influence one's >> intelligence. The numbers drive him-- luxuries, pleasures, and >> enjoyments >> play no role whatsoever. Saturn and Mercury would be the influences at >> work >> here, along with Mars. Strong Mars-Saturn-Mercury is a combination for >> fantastic technical mastery. >> >> One can argue that an Aquarius native would be spiritualized as well, >> with >> the strong L1 Saturn ruling the religious traits of Saturn, the strong >> 5th >> house, the strong 8th house, and the strong Sun/Jupiter. Perhaps not to >> the >> same extent as Leo. The Aquarian would be drawn to mystical knowledge in >> this case. >> >> Buffett's father was a prominent, successful figure. His father was >> himself >> into the investment business. So, it is reasonable to say that Buffett's >> father played a sizeable role in shaping his child's earlier years of >> life, >> which in turn contributed to the latter's line of work and huge successes >> down the road. The role of the father is larger in the Leo chart. There >> is >> a >> passing of the torch in the case of Leo that I don't see as strongly with >> Aquarius. >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Arun >> >> Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: >> Dear Arun, >> >> Thanks for clarifying. >> >> I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: >> >> S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & >> religious thinking. " >> >> S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the >> Saturnian >> spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a >> capacity >> for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, >> discipline, >> self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the >> spiritual life. " >> >> {Saturn in either consideration will give this} >> >> S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H >> is >> transferred to the 9H. " >> >> {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} >> >> The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, >> funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity >> of >> father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> - >> " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 >> >> Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM >> Re: Warren Buffett >> >> Dear Vyas, >> >> It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what >> his >> motivation for having them really is. >> >> The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close >> influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, >> and >> on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive >> 'scarcity of resources' thinking. >> >> Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it >> is >> placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Arun >> >> Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: >> Dear Arun, >> >> Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of >> religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. >> >> If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> - >> " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 >> >> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM >> Re: Warren Buffett >> >> Dear Vyas, >> >> The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all >> else. >> Economics is his religion. >> >> His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically >> speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. >> >> Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above >> both >> the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue >> of >> children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. >> >> The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th >> house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house >> also >> represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along >> with >> its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional >> imprint >> there. >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Arun >> >> Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: >> Dear Arun, >> >> Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to >> be >> taken care of nicely (children and higher education). >> >> One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly >> helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. >> >> As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past >> anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th >> sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've >> seen. >> Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get >> onboard >> fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong >> side >> of >> the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I >> know >> some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area >> more >> than the average person. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> - >> " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 >> >> Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM >> Re: Warren Buffett >> >> Dear Vyas, >> >> When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up >> for >> to a good extent. >> >> I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength >> of >> Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. >> >> Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house >> issues. >> >> One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be >> driven by economic principles above anything else. >> >> L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the >> mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in >> the >> 8th house itself. >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Arun >> >> Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: >> Dear Arun, >> >> Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating >> population >> control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a >> closet >> case religious man. >> >> We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> - >> " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 >> >> Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM >> Re: Warren Buffett >> >> Dear Vyas, >> >> The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering >> any >> touchy religious questions. >> >> Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the >> religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. >> >> He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically >> correct (in a roundabout way). >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Arun >> >> Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: >> Dear Arun, >> >> I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were >> the >> second wealthiest man in the world. >> >> Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and >> afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely >> inline >> with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by >> Mars. >> >> I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo >> asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, >> he >> wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have >> outlived >> his >> mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to >> his >> genetic empire. >> >> I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " >> rather, >> " which asc fits him best. " >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> - >> " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 >> >> Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM >> Re: Warren Buffett >> >> Dear Vyas, >> >> As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what >> my >> religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open >> to >> all >> sorts of divination. >> >> I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much >> religiously inclined in my private life. >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Arun >> >> Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: >> Dear Arun, >> >> In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for >> secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's >> longelivity >> isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and >> advocate >> of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards >> it) - >> must >> have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> - >> " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 >> >> Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM >> Re: Warren Buffett >> >> Dear Vyas, >> >> Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in >> the >> case of Mars)? >> >> He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a >> pessimistic >> view on religion in general. >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Arun >> >> Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: >> Dear Arun, >> >> In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong >> Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of >> religious >> principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets >> Jupiter >> and >> Sun. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> - >> " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 >> >> Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM >> Re: Warren Buffett >> >> Dear Vyas, >> >> It's hard for me to say. >> >> What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be >> drastically different. >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Arun >> >> Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: >> Dear Professor, Arun and list, >> >> Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this >> in >> a Leo asc chart? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> - >> " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 >> >> Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM >> Re: Warren Buffett >> >> Dear Ms. Powers, >> >> You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to >> see. >> >> I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: >> >> (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of >> the >> 9 >> planets on 8/30/1930. >> >> (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing >> the >> ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial >> bone >> structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired >> physical >> traits. >> >> © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being >> ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can >> bless >> one >> with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the >> 2nd >> house >> stands out the most. >> >> (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and >> L9 >> act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd >> house >> of >> status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the >> strong >> Sun >> on >> the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. >> >> (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy >> Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime >> significator >> for >> assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, >> along >> with >> Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute >> as >> well, >> along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. >> >> (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his >> fear >> of public speaking. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Arun >> >> Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: >> Dear List, >> Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the >> book >> " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger >> Lowenstein, >> at >> the >> library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though >> no >> birth >> time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked >> closed, >> and >> he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental >> and >> emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. >> (perhaps >> debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet >> sources, >> is >> Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, >> 1931, >> the >> most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and >> Aquarius. >> On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong >> benefics >> were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and >> Gemini-5. >> (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the >> most >> combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. >> Warren >> and family suffered poverty in >> his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong >> motivation >> to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be >> very >> rich. >> With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in >> Ketu >> subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since >> the >> chart >> is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong >> motivation >> rather >> than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 >> birthtime >> which >> gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out Professor >> Choudhry's >> suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. >> I will finish reading the book and check out the events >> against >> the >> other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, >> and >> glad >> to >> hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will >> check >> out >> the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw >> strong >> possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. >> I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers >> >> Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: >> Dear Vyas, >> >> The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked >> at. >> >> In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with >> strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems >> to >> be >> a >> stronger possibility. >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Arun >> >> Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, >> >> As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. >> >> How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with >> Su >> L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic >> affluence >> through >> investments as well. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> - >> " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 >> >> Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM >> Re: Warren Buffett >> >> My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, >> >> Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when >> the >> Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. >> >> One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose >> may >> be prominent and somewhat wide. >> >> Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other >> Leo's. >> >> Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Arun >> >> siha wrote: >> Hello Vyas, >> >> Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> - >> " Vyas Munidas " <muni> >> >> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM >> Re: Warren Buffett >> >> > Dear Professor, >> > >> > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man >> in >> the >> world >> > who lives like a miser comparatively? >> > >> > >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > Vyas Munidas >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 >> > >> > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM >> > Re: Warren Buffett >> > >> > >> > My dear Vyas, >> > >> > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. >> > >> > In my view, the potential ascendants are: >> > >> > Leo >> > Virgo >> > Libra >> > Pisces >> > >> > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. >> > >> > What do you think? >> > >> > Best Wishes, >> > >> > Arun >> > >> > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: >> > Dear Jorge and Arun, >> > >> > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to >> understand >> the >> > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in >> the >> world. >> > >> > If this helps the discussion... >> > >> > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally >> despite >> great >> > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he >> bought >> many >> > years >> > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't >> always >> succeed >> > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices >> positioned >> him >> > better, contact-wise. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > Vyas Munidas >> > >> > - >> > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino >> > >> > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM >> > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren >> Buffet >> > >> > My dear Mr. Arun, >> > >> > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > >> > Jorge >> > >> > >> > >> >> On >> Behalf >> > Of Arun Rao >> > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 >> > >> > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren >> Buffet >> > >> > My dear Mr. Angelino, >> > >> > Thank you for your efforts. >> > >> > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a >> general >> > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there >> is >> no >> > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well >> aware >> of. >> > >> > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base >> rectifications >> off >> of, >> > it >> > becomes guesswork. >> > >> > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but >> obviously >> > we >> > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the >> placements >> > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable >> ascendant. >> > >> > But deeper examination is needed. >> > >> > Best Wishes, >> > >> > Arun >> > >> > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK >> > >> " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> >> wrote: >> > Dear Vyas, >> > >> > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my >> previous >> > message. >> > >> > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one >> can >> dive >> in >> > a >> > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net >> but >> no >> > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested >> list >> > members >> > have a better luck. >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > >> > Jorge >> > >> > >> > HYPERLINK >> > " %40 " >> > [HYPERLINK >> > " %40 " ] >> On >> Behalf >> Of >> > Vyas Munidas >> > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 >> > HYPERLINK >> " %40 " >> > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren >> Buffet >> > >> > Dear Jorge, >> > >> > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao >> about >> this >> > chart. >> > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've >> included >> a >> > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's >> life >> in >> hopes >> > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and >> other >> > esteemed >> > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. >> > >> > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST >> > >> > 1944: (14 years old) >> > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland >> > >> > 1945: (15 years old) >> > first job >> > >> > 1947: (17 years old) >> > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of >> Pennsylvania. >> > >> > 1950: (20 years old) >> > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually >> enrolled >> at >> > Columbia. >> > >> > 1952: (22 years old) >> > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, >> female >> > >> > 1954: (24 years old) >> > New job with Graham >> > Second child, male >> > >> > 1956: (26 years old) >> > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. >> The >> Buffett >> > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created >> Buffett >> > Associates, >> > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and >> friends >> put >> in >> a >> > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the >> course >> of >> > the year, >> > >> > 1957: (27 years old) >> > Third child, Peter, >> > Purchased a five-bedroom house >> > >> > 1960: (30 years old) >> > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other >> doctors >> who >> > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. >> Eventually, >> > 11 >> > doctors agreed to invest. >> > >> > 1961: (31 years old) >> > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 >> million >> > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. >> > >> > 1965: (35 years old) >> > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) >> > >> > 1968: (38 years old) >> > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious >> liberal >> arts >> > college in Iowa. >> > >> > 1969: (39 years old) >> > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the >> partnership >> and >> > liquidated its assets to his partners. >> > >> > 1971: (41 years old) >> > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home >> at >> Laguna >> > Beach. >> > >> > 1974: (44 years old) >> > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock >> portfolio >> > began >> > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The >> U.S. >> > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal >> investigation >> into >> > Warren >> > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of >> the >> > investigation. >> > >> > 1977: (47 years old) >> > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for >> $32.5 >> million. >> > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a >> competing >> > paper. >> > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing >> him. >> This >> > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. >> > >> > 1983: (53 years old) >> > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 >> for >> the >> > first >> > time. >> > >> > 1988: (58 years old) >> > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually >> purchasing >> up >> > to >> > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out >> to >> be >> one >> of >> > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. >> > >> > 1989: (59 years old) >> > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's >> net >> worth >> > rose >> > with it to $3.8 billion. >> > >> > 1997: (67 years old) >> > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an >> investment >> at >> > about $6 per ounce. >> > >> > 2002: (72 years old) >> > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to >> deliver >> US >> > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain >> on >> these >> > contracts was over $2 billion. >> > >> > 2003: (73 years old) >> > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was >> over >> $600 >> > million dollars. >> > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web >> poll, >> conducted >> > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party >> nominee >> for >> > President in 2004.[14] >> > >> > 2004: (74 years old) >> > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of >> Coca-Cola >> > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a >> conflict >> of >> > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, >> heavy >> > buyers >> > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us >> to >> favor >> > Pepsi? " >> > >> > 2005: (75 years old) >> > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the >> US >> dollar >> > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's >> reinsurance >> > divisions. >> > >> > 2006: (76 years old) >> > >> > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their >> General >> Re >> > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with >> American >> > International Group. >> > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest >> purchase >> he >> has >> > ever made outside of the United States. >> > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% >> or >> about >> > $37 >> > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in >> annual >> gifts >> of >> > stock starting in July 2006. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > Vyas Munidas >> > >> > - >> > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK >> > >> >> " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> >> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK >> > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> >> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM >> > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren >> Buffet >> > >> > > My dear Vyas, >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to >> become >> a >> > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the >> > > possibility >> > > of having friendship with the government and important >> people. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Esteemed , Many thanks as always. Easy gains do exist in plenty with the Aquarius chart, but what justifies his incredible status in society as well in the Aquarius chart? Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello dear Vyas, I am solely basing my view for the ascendant on the basis of the list of events given in one of the messages. The death of father, his persistent entrepreneureship, easy gains, financial investments are the reasons which weigh in favor of an Aquarius ascendant. Strong Saturn, aspect of strong Sun to the ascendant, third lord strong in fifth house and mutually acting with strong lord of the ascendant, aspect of strong Jupiter to the ascendant and strong and exalted Mercury in the eighth house are the basis. Those who are taking lot of interest in this can analyze further with taking the ascending degree around 18 with birth time as around 1905 hours. As Arun said he looks like Leo, the aspect of the Sun to the ascendant seems to be the reason for the same. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com www.JyotishRemedies121.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018. (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Friday, August 04, 2006 6:55 PM To Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > I think your input is required here as there are lots of arguments on > either > side. Comparing Leo vs Aq, which would be more suitable on that day > considering the following issues: > > 1) Atheism > 2) Pro abortion and population control > 3) Better longelivity of mother vs father since the natal chart superseeds > all as you have recently driven home > > Both Arun and I fully agree that Leo is a more affluent chart, however > these > issues remain outstanding in my opinion. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Friday, August 04, 2006 3:15 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Vyas, > > The longevity of any individual is difficult to gauge exactly, let alone > having to do as such for someone else based on a chart other than their > own. > > Judging from the transits on 4/30/1964, Leo ascendant gives us better > indications for the passing of the father. Natal L9 was under the close > affliction of the nodes. Transit L9 had come under the influence of the > natal nodes. The final trigger may well have been the influence of transit > MMP Moon on natal L9. Plus the nodal sub and main period were running, > which > adds an extra dose of malefic relevance to the natal and transit L9. > > Both the 4th and 9th houses have a role to play with regards to parents. > Though they are skewed to one parent respectively, there is overlap. > > The 8th house first and foremost gives obstructions. It is a malefic > house. > The obstructions given by the house can lead one to pursue mysticism, > religion, occult, etc. to find meaning in life. > > As for Saturn, the influence can be there in both charts. Since his views > on > childbirth are on the restrictive side, I think it is reasonable to see a > strong Saturnian influence on the 5th and 2nd houses. > > He seems to have en extremely pragmatic, emotionally detached mental > approach to life. The 5th and 2nd houses strongly influence one's > intelligence. The numbers drive him-- luxuries, pleasures, and > enjoyments > play no role whatsoever. Saturn and Mercury would be the influences at > work > here, along with Mars. Strong Mars-Saturn-Mercury is a combination for > fantastic technical mastery. > > One can argue that an Aquarius native would be spiritualized as well, with > the strong L1 Saturn ruling the religious traits of Saturn, the strong 5th > house, the strong 8th house, and the strong Sun/Jupiter. Perhaps not to > the > same extent as Leo. The Aquarian would be drawn to mystical knowledge in > this case. > > Buffett's father was a prominent, successful figure. His father was > himself > into the investment business. So, it is reasonable to say that Buffett's > father played a sizeable role in shaping his child's earlier years of > life, > which in turn contributed to the latter's line of work and huge successes > down the road. The role of the father is larger in the Leo chart. There is > a > passing of the torch in the case of Leo that I don't see as strongly with > Aquarius. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Thanks for clarifying. > > I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: > > S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & > religious thinking. " > > S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the Saturnian > spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a > capacity > for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, discipline, > self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the > spiritual life. " > > {Saturn in either consideration will give this} > > S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H is > transferred to the 9H. " > > {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} > > The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, > funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity > of > father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what > his > motivation for having them really is. > > The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close > influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, > and > on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive > 'scarcity of resources' thinking. > > Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it > is > placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of > religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. > > If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. > Economics is his religion. > > His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically > speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. > > Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above > both > the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of > children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. > > The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th > house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house > also > represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along > with > its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional > imprint > there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to > be > taken care of nicely (children and higher education). > > One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly > helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. > > As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past > anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th > sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've > seen. > Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get > onboard > fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong > side > of > the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I > know > some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area > more > than the average person. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for > to a good extent. > > I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of > Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. > > Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house > issues. > > One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be > driven by economic principles above anything else. > > L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the > mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in > the > 8th house itself. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population > control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a > closet > case religious man. > > We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering > any > touchy religious questions. > > Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the > religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. > > He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically > correct (in a roundabout way). > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the > second wealthiest man in the world. > > Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and > afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely > inline > with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by > Mars. > > I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo > asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, > he > wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have > outlived > his > mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his > genetic empire. > > I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " > rather, > " which asc fits him best. " > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my > religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to > all > sorts of divination. > > I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much > religiously inclined in my private life. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for > secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's > longelivity > isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and > advocate > of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - > must > have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in > the > case of Mars)? > > He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a > pessimistic > view on religion in general. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong > Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of > religious > principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets > Jupiter > and > Sun. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It's hard for me to say. > > What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be > drastically different. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Professor, Arun and list, > > Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this > in > a Leo asc chart? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to > see. > > I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: > > (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the > 9 > planets on 8/30/1930. > > (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing > the > ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial > bone > structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired > physical > traits. > > © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being > ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can > bless > one > with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the > 2nd > house > stands out the most. > > (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and > L9 > act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd > house > of > status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the > strong > Sun > on > the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. > > (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy > Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime > significator > for > assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, > along > with > Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as > well, > along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. > > (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear > of public speaking. > > Hope this helps. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: > Dear List, > Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the > book > " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, > at > the > library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though > no > birth > time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked > closed, > and > he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental > and > emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. > (perhaps > debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet > sources, > is > Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, > 1931, > the > most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and > Aquarius. > On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong > benefics > were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and > Gemini-5. > (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the > most > combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. > Warren > and family suffered poverty in > his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong > motivation > to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be > very > rich. > With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in > Ketu > subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since > the > chart > is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation > rather > than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 > birthtime > which > gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's > suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. > I will finish reading the book and check out the events against > the > other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, > and > glad > to > hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will > check > out > the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong > possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. > I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked > at. > > In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with > strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to > be > a > stronger possibility. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, > > As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. > > How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su > L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic > affluence > through > investments as well. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, > > Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when > the > Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. > > One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose > may > be prominent and somewhat wide. > > Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other > Leo's. > > Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one > > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > siha wrote: > Hello Vyas, > > Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Professor, > > > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in > the > world > > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > - > > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > > Re: Warren Buffett > > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > > > Leo > > Virgo > > Libra > > Pisces > > > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to > understand > the > > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in > the > world. > > > > If this helps the discussion... > > > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally > despite > great > > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he > bought > many > > years > > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't > always > succeed > > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices > positioned > him > > better, contact-wise. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > On > Behalf > > Of Arun Rao > > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > > > Thank you for your efforts. > > > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a > general > > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there > is > no > > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well > aware > of. > > > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base > rectifications > off > of, > > it > > becomes guesswork. > > > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but > obviously > > we > > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the > placements > > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable > ascendant. > > > > But deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > > > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> > wrote: > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my > previous > > message. > > > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one > can > dive > in > > a > > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but > no > > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested > list > > members > > have a better luck. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " %40 " > > [HYPERLINK > > " %40 " ] On > Behalf > Of > > Vyas Munidas > > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > Dear Jorge, > > > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about > this > > chart. > > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've > included > a > > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's > life > in > hopes > > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and > other > > esteemed > > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > > > 1944: (14 years old) > > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > > > 1945: (15 years old) > > first job > > > > 1947: (17 years old) > > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of > Pennsylvania. > > > > 1950: (20 years old) > > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled > at > > Columbia. > > > > 1952: (22 years old) > > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, > female > > > > 1954: (24 years old) > > New job with Graham > > Second child, male > > > > 1956: (26 years old) > > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. > The > Buffett > > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > > Associates, > > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and > friends > put > in > a > > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the > course > of > > the year, > > > > 1957: (27 years old) > > Third child, Peter, > > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > > > 1960: (30 years old) > > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other > doctors > who > > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. > Eventually, > > 11 > > doctors agreed to invest. > > > > 1961: (31 years old) > > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 > million > > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > > > 1965: (35 years old) > > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > > > 1968: (38 years old) > > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious > liberal > arts > > college in Iowa. > > > > 1969: (39 years old) > > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the > partnership > and > > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > > > 1971: (41 years old) > > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home > at > Laguna > > Beach. > > > > 1974: (44 years old) > > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock > portfolio > > began > > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The > U.S. > > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation > into > > Warren > > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of > the > > investigation. > > > > 1977: (47 years old) > > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for > $32.5 > million. > > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a > competing > > paper. > > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing > him. > This > > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > > > 1983: (53 years old) > > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 > for > the > > first > > time. > > > > 1988: (58 years old) > > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually > purchasing > up > > to > > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to > be > one > of > > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > > > 1989: (59 years old) > > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's > net > worth > > rose > > with it to $3.8 billion. > > > > 1997: (67 years old) > > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an > investment > at > > about $6 per ounce. > > > > 2002: (72 years old) > > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to > deliver > US > > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain > on > these > > contracts was over $2 billion. > > > > 2003: (73 years old) > > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over > $600 > > million dollars. > > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, > conducted > > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party > nominee > for > > President in 2004.[14] > > > > 2004: (74 years old) > > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of > Coca-Cola > > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a > conflict > of > > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, > heavy > > buyers > > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to > favor > > Pepsi? " > > > > 2005: (75 years old) > > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the > US > dollar > > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's > reinsurance > > divisions. > > > > 2006: (76 years old) > > > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their > General > Re > > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with > American > > International Group. > > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest > purchase > he > has > > ever made outside of the United States. > > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% > or > about > > $37 > > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual > gifts > of > > stock starting in July 2006. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > > > > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to > become > a > > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > > possibility > > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Arun, If I may chime in, status is seen from the 2, 5, 10 houses containing a MT sign and the influences on them. Sun and Jupiter are the general significators of status in any nativity. In The Aq chart, very strong Sun and Jupiter influence the Asc, and Jupiter itself sits in the 5H and makes a wide asp to LO1 (all likely close). Additionally, the likely cause of investigations he's seen is by Me's asp to 2H. Nothing coming out of it is due to Sun and Jupiter as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 3:03 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett Dear Esteemed , Many thanks as always. Easy gains do exist in plenty with the Aquarius chart, but what justifies his incredible status in society as well in the Aquarius chart? Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello dear Vyas, I am solely basing my view for the ascendant on the basis of the list of events given in one of the messages. The death of father, his persistent entrepreneureship, easy gains, financial investments are the reasons which weigh in favor of an Aquarius ascendant. Strong Saturn, aspect of strong Sun to the ascendant, third lord strong in fifth house and mutually acting with strong lord of the ascendant, aspect of strong Jupiter to the ascendant and strong and exalted Mercury in the eighth house are the basis. Those who are taking lot of interest in this can analyze further with taking the ascending degree around 18 with birth time as around 1905 hours. As Arun said he looks like Leo, the aspect of the Sun to the ascendant seems to be the reason for the same. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com www.JyotishRemedies121.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018. (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Friday, August 04, 2006 6:55 PM To Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > I think your input is required here as there are lots of arguments on > either > side. Comparing Leo vs Aq, which would be more suitable on that day > considering the following issues: > > 1) Atheism > 2) Pro abortion and population control > 3) Better longelivity of mother vs father since the natal chart superseeds > all as you have recently driven home > > Both Arun and I fully agree that Leo is a more affluent chart, however > these > issues remain outstanding in my opinion. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Friday, August 04, 2006 3:15 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Vyas, > > The longevity of any individual is difficult to gauge exactly, let alone > having to do as such for someone else based on a chart other than their > own. > > Judging from the transits on 4/30/1964, Leo ascendant gives us better > indications for the passing of the father. Natal L9 was under the close > affliction of the nodes. Transit L9 had come under the influence of the > natal nodes. The final trigger may well have been the influence of transit > MMP Moon on natal L9. Plus the nodal sub and main period were running, > which > adds an extra dose of malefic relevance to the natal and transit L9. > > Both the 4th and 9th houses have a role to play with regards to parents. > Though they are skewed to one parent respectively, there is overlap. > > The 8th house first and foremost gives obstructions. It is a malefic > house. > The obstructions given by the house can lead one to pursue mysticism, > religion, occult, etc. to find meaning in life. > > As for Saturn, the influence can be there in both charts. Since his views > on > childbirth are on the restrictive side, I think it is reasonable to see a > strong Saturnian influence on the 5th and 2nd houses. > > He seems to have en extremely pragmatic, emotionally detached mental > approach to life. The 5th and 2nd houses strongly influence one's > intelligence. The numbers drive him-- luxuries, pleasures, and > enjoyments > play no role whatsoever. Saturn and Mercury would be the influences at > work > here, along with Mars. Strong Mars-Saturn-Mercury is a combination for > fantastic technical mastery. > > One can argue that an Aquarius native would be spiritualized as well, with > the strong L1 Saturn ruling the religious traits of Saturn, the strong 5th > house, the strong 8th house, and the strong Sun/Jupiter. Perhaps not to > the > same extent as Leo. The Aquarian would be drawn to mystical knowledge in > this case. > > Buffett's father was a prominent, successful figure. His father was > himself > into the investment business. So, it is reasonable to say that Buffett's > father played a sizeable role in shaping his child's earlier years of > life, > which in turn contributed to the latter's line of work and huge successes > down the road. The role of the father is larger in the Leo chart. There is > a > passing of the torch in the case of Leo that I don't see as strongly with > Aquarius. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Thanks for clarifying. > > I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: > > S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & > religious thinking. " > > S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the Saturnian > spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a > capacity > for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, discipline, > self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the > spiritual life. " > > {Saturn in either consideration will give this} > > S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H is > transferred to the 9H. " > > {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} > > The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, > funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity > of > father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what > his > motivation for having them really is. > > The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close > influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, > and > on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive > 'scarcity of resources' thinking. > > Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it > is > placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of > religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. > > If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. > Economics is his religion. > > His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically > speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. > > Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above > both > the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of > children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. > > The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th > house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house > also > represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along > with > its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional > imprint > there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to > be > taken care of nicely (children and higher education). > > One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly > helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. > > As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past > anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th > sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've > seen. > Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get > onboard > fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong > side > of > the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I > know > some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area > more > than the average person. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for > to a good extent. > > I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of > Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. > > Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house > issues. > > One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be > driven by economic principles above anything else. > > L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the > mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in > the > 8th house itself. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population > control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a > closet > case religious man. > > We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering > any > touchy religious questions. > > Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the > religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. > > He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically > correct (in a roundabout way). > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the > second wealthiest man in the world. > > Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and > afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely > inline > with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by > Mars. > > I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo > asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, > he > wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have > outlived > his > mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his > genetic empire. > > I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " > rather, > " which asc fits him best. " > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my > religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to > all > sorts of divination. > > I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much > religiously inclined in my private life. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for > secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's > longelivity > isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and > advocate > of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - > must > have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in > the > case of Mars)? > > He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a > pessimistic > view on religion in general. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong > Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of > religious > principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets > Jupiter > and > Sun. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It's hard for me to say. > > What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be > drastically different. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Professor, Arun and list, > > Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this > in > a Leo asc chart? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to > see. > > I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: > > (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the > 9 > planets on 8/30/1930. > > (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing > the > ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial > bone > structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired > physical > traits. > > © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being > ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can > bless > one > with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the > 2nd > house > stands out the most. > > (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and > L9 > act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd > house > of > status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the > strong > Sun > on > the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. > > (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy > Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime > significator > for > assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, > along > with > Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as > well, > along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. > > (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear > of public speaking. > > Hope this helps. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: > Dear List, > Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the > book > " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, > at > the > library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though > no > birth > time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked > closed, > and > he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental > and > emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. > (perhaps > debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet > sources, > is > Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, > 1931, > the > most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and > Aquarius. > On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong > benefics > were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and > Gemini-5. > (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the > most > combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. > Warren > and family suffered poverty in > his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong > motivation > to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be > very > rich. > With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in > Ketu > subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since > the > chart > is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation > rather > than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 > birthtime > which > gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out Professor Choudhry's > suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. > I will finish reading the book and check out the events against > the > other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, > and > glad > to > hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will > check > out > the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong > possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. > I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked > at. > > In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with > strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to > be > a > stronger possibility. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, > > As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. > > How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su > L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic > affluence > through > investments as well. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, > > Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when > the > Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. > > One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose > may > be prominent and somewhat wide. > > Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other > Leo's. > > Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one > > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > siha wrote: > Hello Vyas, > > Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Professor, > > > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in > the > world > > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > - > > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > > Re: Warren Buffett > > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > > > Leo > > Virgo > > Libra > > Pisces > > > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to > understand > the > > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in > the > world. > > > > If this helps the discussion... > > > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally > despite > great > > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he > bought > many > > years > > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't > always > succeed > > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices > positioned > him > > better, contact-wise. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > On > Behalf > > Of Arun Rao > > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > > > Thank you for your efforts. > > > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a > general > > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there > is > no > > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well > aware > of. > > > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base > rectifications > off > of, > > it > > becomes guesswork. > > > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but > obviously > > we > > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the > placements > > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable > ascendant. > > > > But deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > > > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> > wrote: > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my > previous > > message. > > > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one > can > dive > in > > a > > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but > no > > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested > list > > members > > have a better luck. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " %40 " > > [HYPERLINK > > " %40 " ] On > Behalf > Of > > Vyas Munidas > > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > Dear Jorge, > > > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about > this > > chart. > > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've > included > a > > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's > life > in > hopes > > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and > other > > esteemed > > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > > > 1944: (14 years old) > > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > > > 1945: (15 years old) > > first job > > > > 1947: (17 years old) > > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of > Pennsylvania. > > > > 1950: (20 years old) > > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled > at > > Columbia. > > > > 1952: (22 years old) > > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, > female > > > > 1954: (24 years old) > > New job with Graham > > Second child, male > > > > 1956: (26 years old) > > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. > The > Buffett > > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > > Associates, > > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and > friends > put > in > a > > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the > course > of > > the year, > > > > 1957: (27 years old) > > Third child, Peter, > > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > > > 1960: (30 years old) > > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other > doctors > who > > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. > Eventually, > > 11 > > doctors agreed to invest. > > > > 1961: (31 years old) > > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 > million > > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > > > 1965: (35 years old) > > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > > > 1968: (38 years old) > > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious > liberal > arts > > college in Iowa. > > > > 1969: (39 years old) > > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the > partnership > and > > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > > > 1971: (41 years old) > > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home > at > Laguna > > Beach. > > > > 1974: (44 years old) > > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock > portfolio > > began > > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The > U.S. > > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation > into > > Warren > > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of > the > > investigation. > > > > 1977: (47 years old) > > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for > $32.5 > million. > > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a > competing > > paper. > > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing > him. > This > > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > > > 1983: (53 years old) > > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 > for > the > > first > > time. > > > > 1988: (58 years old) > > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually > purchasing > up > > to > > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to > be > one > of > > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > > > 1989: (59 years old) > > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's > net > worth > > rose > > with it to $3.8 billion. > > > > 1997: (67 years old) > > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an > investment > at > > about $6 per ounce. > > > > 2002: (72 years old) > > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to > deliver > US > > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain > on > these > > contracts was over $2 billion. > > > > 2003: (73 years old) > > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over > $600 > > million dollars. > > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, > conducted > > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party > nominee > for > > President in 2004.[14] > > > > 2004: (74 years old) > > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of > Coca-Cola > > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a > conflict > of > > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, > heavy > > buyers > > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to > favor > > Pepsi? " > > > > 2005: (75 years old) > > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the > US > dollar > > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's > reinsurance > > divisions. > > > > 2006: (76 years old) > > > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their > General > Re > > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with > American > > International Group. > > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest > purchase > he > has > > ever made outside of the United States. > > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% > or > about > > $37 > > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual > gifts > of > > stock starting in July 2006. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > > > > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to > become > a > > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > > possibility > > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Vyas, Ok. The Leo chart is a much better one for status in my opinion. The influence of the Sun-like lords in the case of Leo takes it over the top. The Aquarius chart is great for inheritance and easy gains. The father's financial position would have to have been astounding. Investment gains can be seen in both charts. The Aquarius chart is not giving me satisfactory results for the death of the father on 4/30/1964. Perhaps you could look into this as well. Wider aspects are relevant after the age of 50 I would think depending on the amount of distance from the MEP. Plus I disagree that one's stance on abortion and population control comes necessarily from a weak/aff L9. I don't view such stances as necessarily lacking in morality or divine grace. In this day and age, they are common and economically prudent positions to have. Mercury would have to be near the MEP of the 8th, afflicting the 2nd house to justify this. Perhaps Moon afflicting the house of family and mental conditioning plays a role too. I think in the case of either chart Moon should be near the MEP. Domestic life wasn't always smooth for him. However, with Moon influencing the 10th house closely in the case of Aquarius along with Mercury afflicting the 2nd house closely, the status of the native appears to be weak and damaged. Strong Sun and Jupiter must have staved off a whole lot of problems. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, If I may chime in, status is seen from the 2, 5, 10 houses containing a MT sign and the influences on them. Sun and Jupiter are the general significators of status in any nativity. In The Aq chart, very strong Sun and Jupiter influence the Asc, and Jupiter itself sits in the 5H and makes a wide asp to LO1 (all likely close). Additionally, the likely cause of investigations he's seen is by Me's asp to 2H. Nothing coming out of it is due to Sun and Jupiter as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 3:03 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett Dear Esteemed , Many thanks as always. Easy gains do exist in plenty with the Aquarius chart, but what justifies his incredible status in society as well in the Aquarius chart? Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello dear Vyas, I am solely basing my view for the ascendant on the basis of the list of events given in one of the messages. The death of father, his persistent entrepreneureship, easy gains, financial investments are the reasons which weigh in favor of an Aquarius ascendant. Strong Saturn, aspect of strong Sun to the ascendant, third lord strong in fifth house and mutually acting with strong lord of the ascendant, aspect of strong Jupiter to the ascendant and strong and exalted Mercury in the eighth house are the basis. Those who are taking lot of interest in this can analyze further with taking the ascending degree around 18 with birth time as around 1905 hours. As Arun said he looks like Leo, the aspect of the Sun to the ascendant seems to be the reason for the same. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com www.JyotishRemedies121.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018. (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Friday, August 04, 2006 6:55 PM To Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > I think your input is required here as there are lots of arguments on > either > side. Comparing Leo vs Aq, which would be more suitable on that day > considering the following issues: > > 1) Atheism > 2) Pro abortion and population control > 3) Better longelivity of mother vs father since the natal chart superseeds > all as you have recently driven home > > Both Arun and I fully agree that Leo is a more affluent chart, however > these > issues remain outstanding in my opinion. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Friday, August 04, 2006 3:15 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Vyas, > > The longevity of any individual is difficult to gauge exactly, let alone > having to do as such for someone else based on a chart other than their > own. > > Judging from the transits on 4/30/1964, Leo ascendant gives us better > indications for the passing of the father. Natal L9 was under the close > affliction of the nodes. Transit L9 had come under the influence of the > natal nodes. The final trigger may well have been the influence of transit > MMP Moon on natal L9. Plus the nodal sub and main period were running, > which > adds an extra dose of malefic relevance to the natal and transit L9. > > Both the 4th and 9th houses have a role to play with regards to parents. > Though they are skewed to one parent respectively, there is overlap. > > The 8th house first and foremost gives obstructions. It is a malefic > house. > The obstructions given by the house can lead one to pursue mysticism, > religion, occult, etc. to find meaning in life. > > As for Saturn, the influence can be there in both charts. Since his views > on > childbirth are on the restrictive side, I think it is reasonable to see a > strong Saturnian influence on the 5th and 2nd houses. > > He seems to have en extremely pragmatic, emotionally detached mental > approach to life. The 5th and 2nd houses strongly influence one's > intelligence. The numbers drive him-- luxuries, pleasures, and > enjoyments > play no role whatsoever. Saturn and Mercury would be the influences at > work > here, along with Mars. Strong Mars-Saturn-Mercury is a combination for > fantastic technical mastery. > > One can argue that an Aquarius native would be spiritualized as well, with > the strong L1 Saturn ruling the religious traits of Saturn, the strong 5th > house, the strong 8th house, and the strong Sun/Jupiter. Perhaps not to > the > same extent as Leo. The Aquarian would be drawn to mystical knowledge in > this case. > > Buffett's father was a prominent, successful figure. His father was > himself > into the investment business. So, it is reasonable to say that Buffett's > father played a sizeable role in shaping his child's earlier years of > life, > which in turn contributed to the latter's line of work and huge successes > down the road. The role of the father is larger in the Leo chart. There is > a > passing of the torch in the case of Leo that I don't see as strongly with > Aquarius. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Thanks for clarifying. > > I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: > > S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & > religious thinking. " > > S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the Saturnian > spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a > capacity > for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, discipline, > self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the > spiritual life. " > > {Saturn in either consideration will give this} > > S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H is > transferred to the 9H. " > > {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} > > The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, > funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity > of > father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what > his > motivation for having them really is. > > The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close > influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, > and > on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive > 'scarcity of resources' thinking. > > Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it > is > placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of > religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. > > If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. > Economics is his religion. > > His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically > speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. > > Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above > both > the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of > children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. > > The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th > house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house > also > represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along > with > its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional > imprint > there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to > be > taken care of nicely (children and higher education). > > One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly > helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. > > As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past > anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th > sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've > seen. > Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get > onboard > fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong > side > of > the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I > know > some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area > more > than the average person. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for > to a good extent. > > I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of > Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. > > Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house > issues. > > One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be > driven by economic principles above anything else. > > L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the > mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in > the > 8th house itself. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population > control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a > closet > case religious man. > > We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering > any > touchy religious questions. > > Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the > religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. > > He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically > correct (in a roundabout way). > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the > second wealthiest man in the world. > > Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and > afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely > inline > with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by > Mars. > > I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo > asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, > he > wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have > outlived > his > mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his > genetic empire. > > I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " > rather, > " which asc fits him best. " > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my > religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to > all > sorts of divination. > > I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much > religiously inclined in my private life. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for > secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's > longelivity > isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and > advocate > of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - > must > have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in > the > case of Mars)? > > He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a > pessimistic > view on religion in general. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong > Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of > religious > principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets > Jupiter > and > Sun. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It's hard for me to say. > > What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be > drastically different. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Professor, Arun and list, > > Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this > in > a Leo asc chart? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to > see. > > I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: > > (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the > 9 > planets on 8/30/1930. > > (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing > the > ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial > bone > structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired > physical > traits. > > © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being > ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can > bless > one > with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the > 2nd > house > stands out the most. > > (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and > L9 > act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd > house > of > status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the > strong > Sun > on > the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. > > (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy > Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime > significator > for > assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, > along > with > Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as > well, > along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. > > (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear > of public speaking. > > Hope this helps. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: > Dear List, > Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the > book > " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, > at > the > library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though > no > birth > time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked > closed, > and > he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental > and > emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. > (perhaps > debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet > sources, > is > Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, > 1931, > the > most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and > Aquarius. > On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong > benefics > were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and > Gemini-5. > (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the > most > combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. > Warren > and family suffered poverty in > his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong > motivation > to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be > very > rich. > With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in > Ketu > subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since > the > chart > is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation > rather > than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 > birthtime > which > gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out Professor Choudhry's > suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. > I will finish reading the book and check out the events against > the > other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, > and > glad > to > hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will > check > out > the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong > possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. > I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked > at. > > In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with > strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to > be > a > stronger possibility. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, > > As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. > > How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su > L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic > affluence > through > investments as well. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, > > Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when > the > Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. > > One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose > may > be prominent and somewhat wide. > > Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other > Leo's. > > Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one > > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > siha wrote: > Hello Vyas, > > Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Professor, > > > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in > the > world > > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > - > > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > > Re: Warren Buffett > > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > > > Leo > > Virgo > > Libra > > Pisces > > > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to > understand > the > > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in > the > world. > > > > If this helps the discussion... > > > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally > despite > great > > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he > bought > many > > years > > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't > always > succeed > > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices > positioned > him > > better, contact-wise. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > On > Behalf > > Of Arun Rao > > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > > > Thank you for your efforts. > > > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a > general > > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there > is > no > > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well > aware > of. > > > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base > rectifications > off > of, > > it > > becomes guesswork. > > > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but > obviously > > we > > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the > placements > > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable > ascendant. > > > > But deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > > > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> > wrote: > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my > previous > > message. > > > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one > can > dive > in > > a > > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but > no > > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested > list > > members > > have a better luck. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " %40 " > > [HYPERLINK > > " %40 " ] On > Behalf > Of > > Vyas Munidas > > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > Dear Jorge, > > > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about > this > > chart. > > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've > included > a > > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's > life > in > hopes > > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and > other > > esteemed > > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > > > 1944: (14 years old) > > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > > > 1945: (15 years old) > > first job > > > > 1947: (17 years old) > > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of > Pennsylvania. > > > > 1950: (20 years old) > > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled > at > > Columbia. > > > > 1952: (22 years old) > > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, > female > > > > 1954: (24 years old) > > New job with Graham > > Second child, male > > > > 1956: (26 years old) > > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. > The > Buffett > > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > > Associates, > > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and > friends > put > in > a > > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the > course > of > > the year, > > > > 1957: (27 years old) > > Third child, Peter, > > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > > > 1960: (30 years old) > > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other > doctors > who > > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. > Eventually, > > 11 > > doctors agreed to invest. > > > > 1961: (31 years old) > > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 > million > > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > > > 1965: (35 years old) > > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > > > 1968: (38 years old) > > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious > liberal > arts > > college in Iowa. > > > > 1969: (39 years old) > > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the > partnership > and > > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > > > 1971: (41 years old) > > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home > at > Laguna > > Beach. > > > > 1974: (44 years old) > > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock > portfolio > > began > > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The > U.S. > > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation > into > > Warren > > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of > the > > investigation. > > > > 1977: (47 years old) > > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for > $32.5 > million. > > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a > competing > > paper. > > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing > him. > This > > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > > > 1983: (53 years old) > > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 > for > the > > first > > time. > > > > 1988: (58 years old) > > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually > purchasing > up > > to > > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to > be > one > of > > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > > > 1989: (59 years old) > > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's > net > worth > > rose > > with it to $3.8 billion. > > > > 1997: (67 years old) > > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an > investment > at > > about $6 per ounce. > > > > 2002: (72 years old) > > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to > deliver > US > > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain > on > these > > contracts was over $2 billion. > > > > 2003: (73 years old) > > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over > $600 > > million dollars. > > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, > conducted > > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party > nominee > for > > President in 2004.[14] > > > > 2004: (74 years old) > > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of > Coca-Cola > > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a > conflict > of > > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, > heavy > > buyers > > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to > favor > > Pepsi? " > > > > 2005: (75 years old) > > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the > US > dollar > > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's > reinsurance > > divisions. > > > > 2006: (76 years old) > > > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their > General > Re > > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with > American > > International Group. > > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest > purchase > he > has > > ever made outside of the United States. > > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% > or > about > > $37 > > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual > gifts > of > > stock starting in July 2006. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > > > > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to > become > a > > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > > possibility > > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Arun, I agree with you about the Leo chart being very powerful. There's no dispute there at all. However, the Aq chart matches quite very well for the significations of earning through speculation, father issues, etc. I've plotted charts of affluent friends of mine and it always shows good combinations of wealth and status. However, in the chart of the wealthiest of the lot, there is a very strong 8H. Money just seems to follow them around no matter what, while others have to work hard for it. Perhaps, this is the element that takes it over the top when it's a close call. You asked about domestic life. In the chart proposed 17:42 Aq, deb Moon is close to 10H MEP at 14:34, but they (4, 10H) contain no MT signs. There is justification in what's observed - lack of smooth domestic life. In the Leo chart has Moon in the 4H; even though weak, it would would be largely made up for by placment and closeness to the MEP. Such an individual would have had a much smoother home life. Problems with regards to scandals can be given if the axis stayed stationary for a long time in even signs around the 14:30 mark in weak FM subperiods. It would be worthwile for us to look into this further. On the issue of atheism and pro-abortionism, the Leo chart is too strong in my opinion and there are no reasons for it I can see. However the Aq chart has the problem of the weak and afflicted 9H with Ve in utter old age close to Ke. Weak 9H also matches well with the lower longelivity of father compared to mother. I'll look closer into death of father in the Aq chart and reply separately. At this point, we need some rectification with dates. Ms Powers will provide the necessary dates and we can continue this exercise. I have no problem in throwing out my opinion on the Aq chart if during rectification it doesn't fit. However, the major elements do fit so far. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 4:25 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Ok. The Leo chart is a much better one for status in my opinion. The influence of the Sun-like lords in the case of Leo takes it over the top. The Aquarius chart is great for inheritance and easy gains. The father's financial position would have to have been astounding. Investment gains can be seen in both charts. The Aquarius chart is not giving me satisfactory results for the death of the father on 4/30/1964. Perhaps you could look into this as well. Wider aspects are relevant after the age of 50 I would think depending on the amount of distance from the MEP. Plus I disagree that one's stance on abortion and population control comes necessarily from a weak/aff L9. I don't view such stances as necessarily lacking in morality or divine grace. In this day and age, they are common and economically prudent positions to have. Mercury would have to be near the MEP of the 8th, afflicting the 2nd house to justify this. Perhaps Moon afflicting the house of family and mental conditioning plays a role too. I think in the case of either chart Moon should be near the MEP. Domestic life wasn't always smooth for him. However, with Moon influencing the 10th house closely in the case of Aquarius along with Mercury afflicting the 2nd house closely, the status of the native appears to be weak and damaged. Strong Sun and Jupiter must have staved off a whole lot of problems. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, If I may chime in, status is seen from the 2, 5, 10 houses containing a MT sign and the influences on them. Sun and Jupiter are the general significators of status in any nativity. In The Aq chart, very strong Sun and Jupiter influence the Asc, and Jupiter itself sits in the 5H and makes a wide asp to LO1 (all likely close). Additionally, the likely cause of investigations he's seen is by Me's asp to 2H. Nothing coming out of it is due to Sun and Jupiter as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 3:03 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett Dear Esteemed , Many thanks as always. Easy gains do exist in plenty with the Aquarius chart, but what justifies his incredible status in society as well in the Aquarius chart? Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello dear Vyas, I am solely basing my view for the ascendant on the basis of the list of events given in one of the messages. The death of father, his persistent entrepreneureship, easy gains, financial investments are the reasons which weigh in favor of an Aquarius ascendant. Strong Saturn, aspect of strong Sun to the ascendant, third lord strong in fifth house and mutually acting with strong lord of the ascendant, aspect of strong Jupiter to the ascendant and strong and exalted Mercury in the eighth house are the basis. Those who are taking lot of interest in this can analyze further with taking the ascending degree around 18 with birth time as around 1905 hours. As Arun said he looks like Leo, the aspect of the Sun to the ascendant seems to be the reason for the same. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com www.JyotishRemedies121.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018. (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Friday, August 04, 2006 6:55 PM To Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > I think your input is required here as there are lots of arguments on > either > side. Comparing Leo vs Aq, which would be more suitable on that day > considering the following issues: > > 1) Atheism > 2) Pro abortion and population control > 3) Better longelivity of mother vs father since the natal chart superseeds > all as you have recently driven home > > Both Arun and I fully agree that Leo is a more affluent chart, however > these > issues remain outstanding in my opinion. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Friday, August 04, 2006 3:15 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Vyas, > > The longevity of any individual is difficult to gauge exactly, let alone > having to do as such for someone else based on a chart other than their > own. > > Judging from the transits on 4/30/1964, Leo ascendant gives us better > indications for the passing of the father. Natal L9 was under the close > affliction of the nodes. Transit L9 had come under the influence of the > natal nodes. The final trigger may well have been the influence of transit > MMP Moon on natal L9. Plus the nodal sub and main period were running, > which > adds an extra dose of malefic relevance to the natal and transit L9. > > Both the 4th and 9th houses have a role to play with regards to parents. > Though they are skewed to one parent respectively, there is overlap. > > The 8th house first and foremost gives obstructions. It is a malefic > house. > The obstructions given by the house can lead one to pursue mysticism, > religion, occult, etc. to find meaning in life. > > As for Saturn, the influence can be there in both charts. Since his views > on > childbirth are on the restrictive side, I think it is reasonable to see a > strong Saturnian influence on the 5th and 2nd houses. > > He seems to have en extremely pragmatic, emotionally detached mental > approach to life. The 5th and 2nd houses strongly influence one's > intelligence. The numbers drive him-- luxuries, pleasures, and > enjoyments > play no role whatsoever. Saturn and Mercury would be the influences at > work > here, along with Mars. Strong Mars-Saturn-Mercury is a combination for > fantastic technical mastery. > > One can argue that an Aquarius native would be spiritualized as well, with > the strong L1 Saturn ruling the religious traits of Saturn, the strong 5th > house, the strong 8th house, and the strong Sun/Jupiter. Perhaps not to > the > same extent as Leo. The Aquarian would be drawn to mystical knowledge in > this case. > > Buffett's father was a prominent, successful figure. His father was > himself > into the investment business. So, it is reasonable to say that Buffett's > father played a sizeable role in shaping his child's earlier years of > life, > which in turn contributed to the latter's line of work and huge successes > down the road. The role of the father is larger in the Leo chart. There is > a > passing of the torch in the case of Leo that I don't see as strongly with > Aquarius. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Thanks for clarifying. > > I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: > > S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & > religious thinking. " > > S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the Saturnian > spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a > capacity > for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, discipline, > self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the > spiritual life. " > > {Saturn in either consideration will give this} > > S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H is > transferred to the 9H. " > > {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} > > The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, > funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity > of > father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what > his > motivation for having them really is. > > The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close > influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, > and > on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive > 'scarcity of resources' thinking. > > Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it > is > placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of > religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. > > If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. > Economics is his religion. > > His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically > speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. > > Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above > both > the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of > children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. > > The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th > house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house > also > represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along > with > its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional > imprint > there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to > be > taken care of nicely (children and higher education). > > One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly > helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. > > As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past > anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th > sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've > seen. > Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get > onboard > fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong > side > of > the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I > know > some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area > more > than the average person. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for > to a good extent. > > I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of > Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. > > Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house > issues. > > One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be > driven by economic principles above anything else. > > L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the > mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in > the > 8th house itself. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population > control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a > closet > case religious man. > > We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering > any > touchy religious questions. > > Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the > religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. > > He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically > correct (in a roundabout way). > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the > second wealthiest man in the world. > > Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and > afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely > inline > with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by > Mars. > > I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo > asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, > he > wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have > outlived > his > mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his > genetic empire. > > I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " > rather, > " which asc fits him best. " > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my > religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to > all > sorts of divination. > > I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much > religiously inclined in my private life. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for > secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's > longelivity > isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and > advocate > of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - > must > have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in > the > case of Mars)? > > He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a > pessimistic > view on religion in general. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong > Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of > religious > principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets > Jupiter > and > Sun. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It's hard for me to say. > > What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be > drastically different. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Professor, Arun and list, > > Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this > in > a Leo asc chart? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to > see. > > I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: > > (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the > 9 > planets on 8/30/1930. > > (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing > the > ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial > bone > structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired > physical > traits. > > © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being > ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can > bless > one > with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the > 2nd > house > stands out the most. > > (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and > L9 > act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd > house > of > status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the > strong > Sun > on > the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. > > (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy > Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime > significator > for > assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, > along > with > Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as > well, > along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. > > (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear > of public speaking. > > Hope this helps. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: > Dear List, > Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the > book > " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, > at > the > library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though > no > birth > time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked > closed, > and > he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental > and > emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. > (perhaps > debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet > sources, > is > Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, > 1931, > the > most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and > Aquarius. > On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong > benefics > were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and > Gemini-5. > (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the > most > combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. > Warren > and family suffered poverty in > his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong > motivation > to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be > very > rich. > With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in > Ketu > subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since > the > chart > is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation > rather > than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 > birthtime > which > gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out Professor Choudhry's > suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. > I will finish reading the book and check out the events against > the > other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, > and > glad > to > hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will > check > out > the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong > possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. > I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked > at. > > In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with > strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to > be > a > stronger possibility. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, > > As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. > > How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su > L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic > affluence > through > investments as well. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, > > Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when > the > Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. > > One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose > may > be prominent and somewhat wide. > > Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other > Leo's. > > Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one > > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > siha wrote: > Hello Vyas, > > Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Professor, > > > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in > the > world > > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > - > > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > > Re: Warren Buffett > > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > > > Leo > > Virgo > > Libra > > Pisces > > > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to > understand > the > > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in > the > world. > > > > If this helps the discussion... > > > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally > despite > great > > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he > bought > many > > years > > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't > always > succeed > > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices > positioned > him > > better, contact-wise. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > On > Behalf > > Of Arun Rao > > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > > > Thank you for your efforts. > > > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a > general > > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there > is > no > > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well > aware > of. > > > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base > rectifications > off > of, > > it > > becomes guesswork. > > > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but > obviously > > we > > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the > placements > > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable > ascendant. > > > > But deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > > > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> > wrote: > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my > previous > > message. > > > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one > can > dive > in > > a > > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but > no > > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested > list > > members > > have a better luck. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " %40 " > > [HYPERLINK > > " %40 " ] On > Behalf > Of > > Vyas Munidas > > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > Dear Jorge, > > > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about > this > > chart. > > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've > included > a > > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's > life > in > hopes > > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and > other > > esteemed > > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > > > 1944: (14 years old) > > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > > > 1945: (15 years old) > > first job > > > > 1947: (17 years old) > > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of > Pennsylvania. > > > > 1950: (20 years old) > > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled > at > > Columbia. > > > > 1952: (22 years old) > > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, > female > > > > 1954: (24 years old) > > New job with Graham > > Second child, male > > > > 1956: (26 years old) > > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. > The > Buffett > > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > > Associates, > > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and > friends > put > in > a > > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the > course > of > > the year, > > > > 1957: (27 years old) > > Third child, Peter, > > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > > > 1960: (30 years old) > > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other > doctors > who > > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. > Eventually, > > 11 > > doctors agreed to invest. > > > > 1961: (31 years old) > > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 > million > > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > > > 1965: (35 years old) > > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > > > 1968: (38 years old) > > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious > liberal > arts > > college in Iowa. > > > > 1969: (39 years old) > > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the > partnership > and > > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > > > 1971: (41 years old) > > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home > at > Laguna > > Beach. > > > > 1974: (44 years old) > > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock > portfolio > > began > > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The > U.S. > > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation > into > > Warren > > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of > the > > investigation. > > > > 1977: (47 years old) > > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for > $32.5 > million. > > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a > competing > > paper. > > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing > him. > This > > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > > > 1983: (53 years old) > > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 > for > the > > first > > time. > > > > 1988: (58 years old) > > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually > purchasing > up > > to > > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to > be > one > of > > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > > > 1989: (59 years old) > > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's > net > worth > > rose > > with it to $3.8 billion. > > > > 1997: (67 years old) > > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an > investment > at > > about $6 per ounce. > > > > 2002: (72 years old) > > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to > deliver > US > > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain > on > these > > contracts was over $2 billion. > > > > 2003: (73 years old) > > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over > $600 > > million dollars. > > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, > conducted > > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party > nominee > for > > President in 2004.[14] > > > > 2004: (74 years old) > > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of > Coca-Cola > > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a > conflict > of > > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, > heavy > > buyers > > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to > favor > > Pepsi? " > > > > 2005: (75 years old) > > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the > US > dollar > > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's > reinsurance > > divisions. > > > > 2006: (76 years old) > > > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their > General > Re > > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with > American > > International Group. > > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest > purchase > he > has > > ever made outside of the United States. > > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% > or > about > > $37 > > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual > gifts > of > > stock starting in July 2006. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > > > > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to > become > a > > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > > possibility > > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 My dear Vyas, Okey dokey. The bottom line is Aquarius and Leo are the top two finalists and, like you say, date by date rectification is needed. Moon is a FM and the MMP for Leo Asc., and when near any MEP will cause an affliction. For any non-MT sign, the orb of affliction is 5 degrees. I think you may have overlooked this by mistake in the message below? Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I agree with you about the Leo chart being very powerful. There's no dispute there at all. However, the Aq chart matches quite very well for the significations of earning through speculation, father issues, etc. I've plotted charts of affluent friends of mine and it always shows good combinations of wealth and status. However, in the chart of the wealthiest of the lot, there is a very strong 8H. Money just seems to follow them around no matter what, while others have to work hard for it. Perhaps, this is the element that takes it over the top when it's a close call. You asked about domestic life. In the chart proposed 17:42 Aq, deb Moon is close to 10H MEP at 14:34, but they (4, 10H) contain no MT signs. There is justification in what's observed - lack of smooth domestic life. In the Leo chart has Moon in the 4H; even though weak, it would would be largely made up for by placment and closeness to the MEP. Such an individual would have had a much smoother home life. Problems with regards to scandals can be given if the axis stayed stationary for a long time in even signs around the 14:30 mark in weak FM subperiods. It would be worthwile for us to look into this further. On the issue of atheism and pro-abortionism, the Leo chart is too strong in my opinion and there are no reasons for it I can see. However the Aq chart has the problem of the weak and afflicted 9H with Ve in utter old age close to Ke. Weak 9H also matches well with the lower longelivity of father compared to mother. I'll look closer into death of father in the Aq chart and reply separately. At this point, we need some rectification with dates. Ms Powers will provide the necessary dates and we can continue this exercise. I have no problem in throwing out my opinion on the Aq chart if during rectification it doesn't fit. However, the major elements do fit so far. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 4:25 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Ok. The Leo chart is a much better one for status in my opinion. The influence of the Sun-like lords in the case of Leo takes it over the top. The Aquarius chart is great for inheritance and easy gains. The father's financial position would have to have been astounding. Investment gains can be seen in both charts. The Aquarius chart is not giving me satisfactory results for the death of the father on 4/30/1964. Perhaps you could look into this as well. Wider aspects are relevant after the age of 50 I would think depending on the amount of distance from the MEP. Plus I disagree that one's stance on abortion and population control comes necessarily from a weak/aff L9. I don't view such stances as necessarily lacking in morality or divine grace. In this day and age, they are common and economically prudent positions to have. Mercury would have to be near the MEP of the 8th, afflicting the 2nd house to justify this. Perhaps Moon afflicting the house of family and mental conditioning plays a role too. I think in the case of either chart Moon should be near the MEP. Domestic life wasn't always smooth for him. However, with Moon influencing the 10th house closely in the case of Aquarius along with Mercury afflicting the 2nd house closely, the status of the native appears to be weak and damaged. Strong Sun and Jupiter must have staved off a whole lot of problems. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, If I may chime in, status is seen from the 2, 5, 10 houses containing a MT sign and the influences on them. Sun and Jupiter are the general significators of status in any nativity. In The Aq chart, very strong Sun and Jupiter influence the Asc, and Jupiter itself sits in the 5H and makes a wide asp to LO1 (all likely close). Additionally, the likely cause of investigations he's seen is by Me's asp to 2H. Nothing coming out of it is due to Sun and Jupiter as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 3:03 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett Dear Esteemed , Many thanks as always. Easy gains do exist in plenty with the Aquarius chart, but what justifies his incredible status in society as well in the Aquarius chart? Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello dear Vyas, I am solely basing my view for the ascendant on the basis of the list of events given in one of the messages. The death of father, his persistent entrepreneureship, easy gains, financial investments are the reasons which weigh in favor of an Aquarius ascendant. Strong Saturn, aspect of strong Sun to the ascendant, third lord strong in fifth house and mutually acting with strong lord of the ascendant, aspect of strong Jupiter to the ascendant and strong and exalted Mercury in the eighth house are the basis. Those who are taking lot of interest in this can analyze further with taking the ascending degree around 18 with birth time as around 1905 hours. As Arun said he looks like Leo, the aspect of the Sun to the ascendant seems to be the reason for the same. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com www.JyotishRemedies121.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018. (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Friday, August 04, 2006 6:55 PM To Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > I think your input is required here as there are lots of arguments on > either > side. Comparing Leo vs Aq, which would be more suitable on that day > considering the following issues: > > 1) Atheism > 2) Pro abortion and population control > 3) Better longelivity of mother vs father since the natal chart superseeds > all as you have recently driven home > > Both Arun and I fully agree that Leo is a more affluent chart, however > these > issues remain outstanding in my opinion. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Friday, August 04, 2006 3:15 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Vyas, > > The longevity of any individual is difficult to gauge exactly, let alone > having to do as such for someone else based on a chart other than their > own. > > Judging from the transits on 4/30/1964, Leo ascendant gives us better > indications for the passing of the father. Natal L9 was under the close > affliction of the nodes. Transit L9 had come under the influence of the > natal nodes. The final trigger may well have been the influence of transit > MMP Moon on natal L9. Plus the nodal sub and main period were running, > which > adds an extra dose of malefic relevance to the natal and transit L9. > > Both the 4th and 9th houses have a role to play with regards to parents. > Though they are skewed to one parent respectively, there is overlap. > > The 8th house first and foremost gives obstructions. It is a malefic > house. > The obstructions given by the house can lead one to pursue mysticism, > religion, occult, etc. to find meaning in life. > > As for Saturn, the influence can be there in both charts. Since his views > on > childbirth are on the restrictive side, I think it is reasonable to see a > strong Saturnian influence on the 5th and 2nd houses. > > He seems to have en extremely pragmatic, emotionally detached mental > approach to life. The 5th and 2nd houses strongly influence one's > intelligence. The numbers drive him-- luxuries, pleasures, and > enjoyments > play no role whatsoever. Saturn and Mercury would be the influences at > work > here, along with Mars. Strong Mars-Saturn-Mercury is a combination for > fantastic technical mastery. > > One can argue that an Aquarius native would be spiritualized as well, with > the strong L1 Saturn ruling the religious traits of Saturn, the strong 5th > house, the strong 8th house, and the strong Sun/Jupiter. Perhaps not to > the > same extent as Leo. The Aquarian would be drawn to mystical knowledge in > this case. > > Buffett's father was a prominent, successful figure. His father was > himself > into the investment business. So, it is reasonable to say that Buffett's > father played a sizeable role in shaping his child's earlier years of > life, > which in turn contributed to the latter's line of work and huge successes > down the road. The role of the father is larger in the Leo chart. There is > a > passing of the torch in the case of Leo that I don't see as strongly with > Aquarius. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Thanks for clarifying. > > I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: > > S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & > religious thinking. " > > S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the Saturnian > spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a > capacity > for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, discipline, > self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the > spiritual life. " > > {Saturn in either consideration will give this} > > S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H is > transferred to the 9H. " > > {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} > > The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, > funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity > of > father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what > his > motivation for having them really is. > > The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close > influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, > and > on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive > 'scarcity of resources' thinking. > > Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it > is > placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of > religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. > > If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. > Economics is his religion. > > His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically > speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. > > Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above > both > the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of > children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. > > The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th > house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house > also > represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along > with > its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional > imprint > there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to > be > taken care of nicely (children and higher education). > > One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly > helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. > > As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past > anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th > sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've > seen. > Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get > onboard > fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong > side > of > the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I > know > some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area > more > than the average person. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for > to a good extent. > > I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of > Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. > > Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house > issues. > > One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be > driven by economic principles above anything else. > > L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the > mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in > the > 8th house itself. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population > control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a > closet > case religious man. > > We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering > any > touchy religious questions. > > Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the > religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. > > He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically > correct (in a roundabout way). > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the > second wealthiest man in the world. > > Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and > afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely > inline > with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by > Mars. > > I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo > asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, > he > wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have > outlived > his > mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his > genetic empire. > > I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " > rather, > " which asc fits him best. " > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my > religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to > all > sorts of divination. > > I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much > religiously inclined in my private life. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for > secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's > longelivity > isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and > advocate > of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - > must > have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in > the > case of Mars)? > > He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a > pessimistic > view on religion in general. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong > Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of > religious > principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets > Jupiter > and > Sun. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It's hard for me to say. > > What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be > drastically different. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Professor, Arun and list, > > Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this > in > a Leo asc chart? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to > see. > > I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: > > (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the > 9 > planets on 8/30/1930. > > (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing > the > ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial > bone > structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired > physical > traits. > > © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being > ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can > bless > one > with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the > 2nd > house > stands out the most. > > (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and > L9 > act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd > house > of > status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the > strong > Sun > on > the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. > > (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy > Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime > significator > for > assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, > along > with > Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as > well, > along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. > > (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear > of public speaking. > > Hope this helps. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: > Dear List, > Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the > book > " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, > at > the > library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though > no > birth > time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked > closed, > and > he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental > and > emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. > (perhaps > debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet > sources, > is > Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, > 1931, > the > most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and > Aquarius. > On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong > benefics > were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and > Gemini-5. > (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the > most > combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. > Warren > and family suffered poverty in > his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong > motivation > to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be > very > rich. > With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in > Ketu > subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since > the > chart > is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation > rather > than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 > birthtime > which > gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out Professor Choudhry's > suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. > I will finish reading the book and check out the events against > the > other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, > and > glad > to > hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will > check > out > the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong > possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. > I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked > at. > > In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with > strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to > be > a > stronger possibility. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, > > As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. > > How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su > L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic > affluence > through > investments as well. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, > > Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when > the > Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. > > One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose > may > be prominent and somewhat wide. > > Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other > Leo's. > > Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one > > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > siha wrote: > Hello Vyas, > > Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Professor, > > > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in > the > world > > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > - > > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > > Re: Warren Buffett > > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > > > Leo > > Virgo > > Libra > > Pisces > > > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to > understand > the > > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in > the > world. > > > > If this helps the discussion... > > > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally > despite > great > > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he > bought > many > > years > > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't > always > succeed > > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices > positioned > him > > better, contact-wise. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > On > Behalf > > Of Arun Rao > > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > > > Thank you for your efforts. > > > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a > general > > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there > is > no > > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well > aware > of. > > > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base > rectifications > off > of, > > it > > becomes guesswork. > > > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but > obviously > > we > > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the > placements > > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable > ascendant. > > > > But deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > > > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> > wrote: > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my > previous > > message. > > > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one > can > dive > in > > a > > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but > no > > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested > list > > members > > have a better luck. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " %40 " > > [HYPERLINK > > " %40 " ] On > Behalf > Of > > Vyas Munidas > > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > Dear Jorge, > > > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about > this > > chart. > > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've > included > a > > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's > life > in > hopes > > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and > other > > esteemed > > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > > > 1944: (14 years old) > > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > > > 1945: (15 years old) > > first job > > > > 1947: (17 years old) > > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of > Pennsylvania. > > > > 1950: (20 years old) > > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled > at > > Columbia. > > > > 1952: (22 years old) > > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, > female > > > > 1954: (24 years old) > > New job with Graham > > Second child, male > > > > 1956: (26 years old) > > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. > The > Buffett > > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > > Associates, > > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and > friends > put > in > a > > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the > course > of > > the year, > > > > 1957: (27 years old) > > Third child, Peter, > > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > > > 1960: (30 years old) > > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other > doctors > who > > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. > Eventually, > > 11 > > doctors agreed to invest. > > > > 1961: (31 years old) > > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 > million > > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > > > 1965: (35 years old) > > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > > > 1968: (38 years old) > > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious > liberal > arts > > college in Iowa. > > > > 1969: (39 years old) > > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the > partnership > and > > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > > > 1971: (41 years old) > > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home > at > Laguna > > Beach. > > > > 1974: (44 years old) > > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock > portfolio > > began > > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The > U.S. > > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation > into > > Warren > > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of > the > > investigation. > > > > 1977: (47 years old) > > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for > $32.5 > million. > > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a > competing > > paper. > > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing > him. > This > > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > > > 1983: (53 years old) > > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 > for > the > > first > > time. > > > > 1988: (58 years old) > > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually > purchasing > up > > to > > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to > be > one > of > > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > > > 1989: (59 years old) > > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's > net > worth > > rose > > with it to $3.8 billion. > > > > 1997: (67 years old) > > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an > investment > at > > about $6 per ounce. > > > > 2002: (72 years old) > > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to > deliver > US > > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain > on > these > > contracts was over $2 billion. > > > > 2003: (73 years old) > > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over > $600 > > million dollars. > > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, > conducted > > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party > nominee > for > > President in 2004.[14] > > > > 2004: (74 years old) > > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of > Coca-Cola > > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a > conflict > of > > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, > heavy > > buyers > > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to > favor > > Pepsi? " > > > > 2005: (75 years old) > > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the > US > dollar > > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's > reinsurance > > divisions. > > > > 2006: (76 years old) > > > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their > General > Re > > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with > American > > International Group. > > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest > purchase > he > has > > ever made outside of the United States. > > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% > or > about > > $37 > > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual > gifts > of > > stock starting in July 2006. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > > > > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to > become > a > > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > > possibility > > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Vyas, Great strength in the 8th house isn't necessarily a prerequisite for great wealth. Take Bill Gates' chart for example. Also, consider the chart of billionaire H. Ross Perot: June 27, 1930 (the summer of 1930 seems to have been quite spectacular) 33N25, 94W03 5:34 AM CST (+6:00) * The data is valid/authenticated. - Gemini rises in the ascendant. The Sun and Mars are strong. Moon and Venus are only slightly weakened by Moon's lack of brightness. Jupiter is under the exact affliction of Ketu, but benefits from its closeness to the strong Sun to some degree. - Strong Sun, L3, is in H1 and is conjunct the MEP. The strong L3 acts as a Sun, besides being the Sun itself. L9 Saturn the ascendant closely. Sun and Saturn are in close mutual aspect. He has a thinner physique, which is given by Saturn's exact influence on the Asc. besides the sign Gemini rising. - Saturn's influence on the 4th, 7th, and its own MT 9th is noteworthy as well. - L5 Venus is in H2 in the royal sign Cancer, and is exactly conjunct the MEP. L5 Venus aspects the MEP of the 8th. - L2 and prime determinant of profession Moon is prominently placed in H1. This is a brilliant chart for wealth and status, including political power. He performed quite admirably in the 1992 US Presidential Elections, but came up short while running as an Independent. I still remember all the good-natured humor directed towards him and his thick Texan accent back in '92. So, while the 8th house is closely influenced in this case, there is nothing as strong as the 8th lord in the 8th house. Any strong, close influence on the MEP of the 8th can contribute to one's easy gains/financial windfalls. More so if the planets involved are affluent in nature and rule houses of financial gains. The strength of the Sun compensates for the weakness/affliction of Jupiter, who is the prime determinant of easy gains for Gemini. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I agree with you about the Leo chart being very powerful. There's no dispute there at all. However, the Aq chart matches quite very well for the significations of earning through speculation, father issues, etc. I've plotted charts of affluent friends of mine and it always shows good combinations of wealth and status. However, in the chart of the wealthiest of the lot, there is a very strong 8H. Money just seems to follow them around no matter what, while others have to work hard for it. Perhaps, this is the element that takes it over the top when it's a close call. You asked about domestic life. In the chart proposed 17:42 Aq, deb Moon is close to 10H MEP at 14:34, but they (4, 10H) contain no MT signs. There is justification in what's observed - lack of smooth domestic life. In the Leo chart has Moon in the 4H; even though weak, it would would be largely made up for by placment and closeness to the MEP. Such an individual would have had a much smoother home life. Problems with regards to scandals can be given if the axis stayed stationary for a long time in even signs around the 14:30 mark in weak FM subperiods. It would be worthwile for us to look into this further. On the issue of atheism and pro-abortionism, the Leo chart is too strong in my opinion and there are no reasons for it I can see. However the Aq chart has the problem of the weak and afflicted 9H with Ve in utter old age close to Ke. Weak 9H also matches well with the lower longelivity of father compared to mother. I'll look closer into death of father in the Aq chart and reply separately. At this point, we need some rectification with dates. Ms Powers will provide the necessary dates and we can continue this exercise. I have no problem in throwing out my opinion on the Aq chart if during rectification it doesn't fit. However, the major elements do fit so far. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 4:25 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Ok. The Leo chart is a much better one for status in my opinion. The influence of the Sun-like lords in the case of Leo takes it over the top. The Aquarius chart is great for inheritance and easy gains. The father's financial position would have to have been astounding. Investment gains can be seen in both charts. The Aquarius chart is not giving me satisfactory results for the death of the father on 4/30/1964. Perhaps you could look into this as well. Wider aspects are relevant after the age of 50 I would think depending on the amount of distance from the MEP. Plus I disagree that one's stance on abortion and population control comes necessarily from a weak/aff L9. I don't view such stances as necessarily lacking in morality or divine grace. In this day and age, they are common and economically prudent positions to have. Mercury would have to be near the MEP of the 8th, afflicting the 2nd house to justify this. Perhaps Moon afflicting the house of family and mental conditioning plays a role too. I think in the case of either chart Moon should be near the MEP. Domestic life wasn't always smooth for him. However, with Moon influencing the 10th house closely in the case of Aquarius along with Mercury afflicting the 2nd house closely, the status of the native appears to be weak and damaged. Strong Sun and Jupiter must have staved off a whole lot of problems. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, If I may chime in, status is seen from the 2, 5, 10 houses containing a MT sign and the influences on them. Sun and Jupiter are the general significators of status in any nativity. In The Aq chart, very strong Sun and Jupiter influence the Asc, and Jupiter itself sits in the 5H and makes a wide asp to LO1 (all likely close). Additionally, the likely cause of investigations he's seen is by Me's asp to 2H. Nothing coming out of it is due to Sun and Jupiter as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 3:03 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett Dear Esteemed , Many thanks as always. Easy gains do exist in plenty with the Aquarius chart, but what justifies his incredible status in society as well in the Aquarius chart? Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello dear Vyas, I am solely basing my view for the ascendant on the basis of the list of events given in one of the messages. The death of father, his persistent entrepreneureship, easy gains, financial investments are the reasons which weigh in favor of an Aquarius ascendant. Strong Saturn, aspect of strong Sun to the ascendant, third lord strong in fifth house and mutually acting with strong lord of the ascendant, aspect of strong Jupiter to the ascendant and strong and exalted Mercury in the eighth house are the basis. Those who are taking lot of interest in this can analyze further with taking the ascending degree around 18 with birth time as around 1905 hours. As Arun said he looks like Leo, the aspect of the Sun to the ascendant seems to be the reason for the same. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com www.JyotishRemedies121.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018. (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Friday, August 04, 2006 6:55 PM To Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > I think your input is required here as there are lots of arguments on > either > side. Comparing Leo vs Aq, which would be more suitable on that day > considering the following issues: > > 1) Atheism > 2) Pro abortion and population control > 3) Better longelivity of mother vs father since the natal chart superseeds > all as you have recently driven home > > Both Arun and I fully agree that Leo is a more affluent chart, however > these > issues remain outstanding in my opinion. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Friday, August 04, 2006 3:15 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Vyas, > > The longevity of any individual is difficult to gauge exactly, let alone > having to do as such for someone else based on a chart other than their > own. > > Judging from the transits on 4/30/1964, Leo ascendant gives us better > indications for the passing of the father. Natal L9 was under the close > affliction of the nodes. Transit L9 had come under the influence of the > natal nodes. The final trigger may well have been the influence of transit > MMP Moon on natal L9. Plus the nodal sub and main period were running, > which > adds an extra dose of malefic relevance to the natal and transit L9. > > Both the 4th and 9th houses have a role to play with regards to parents. > Though they are skewed to one parent respectively, there is overlap. > > The 8th house first and foremost gives obstructions. It is a malefic > house. > The obstructions given by the house can lead one to pursue mysticism, > religion, occult, etc. to find meaning in life. > > As for Saturn, the influence can be there in both charts. Since his views > on > childbirth are on the restrictive side, I think it is reasonable to see a > strong Saturnian influence on the 5th and 2nd houses. > > He seems to have en extremely pragmatic, emotionally detached mental > approach to life. The 5th and 2nd houses strongly influence one's > intelligence. The numbers drive him-- luxuries, pleasures, and > enjoyments > play no role whatsoever. Saturn and Mercury would be the influences at > work > here, along with Mars. Strong Mars-Saturn-Mercury is a combination for > fantastic technical mastery. > > One can argue that an Aquarius native would be spiritualized as well, with > the strong L1 Saturn ruling the religious traits of Saturn, the strong 5th > house, the strong 8th house, and the strong Sun/Jupiter. Perhaps not to > the > same extent as Leo. The Aquarian would be drawn to mystical knowledge in > this case. > > Buffett's father was a prominent, successful figure. His father was > himself > into the investment business. So, it is reasonable to say that Buffett's > father played a sizeable role in shaping his child's earlier years of > life, > which in turn contributed to the latter's line of work and huge successes > down the road. The role of the father is larger in the Leo chart. There is > a > passing of the torch in the case of Leo that I don't see as strongly with > Aquarius. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Thanks for clarifying. > > I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: > > S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & > religious thinking. " > > S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the Saturnian > spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a > capacity > for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, discipline, > self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the > spiritual life. " > > {Saturn in either consideration will give this} > > S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H is > transferred to the 9H. " > > {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} > > The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, > funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity > of > father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what > his > motivation for having them really is. > > The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close > influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, > and > on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive > 'scarcity of resources' thinking. > > Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it > is > placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of > religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. > > If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. > Economics is his religion. > > His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically > speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. > > Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above > both > the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of > children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. > > The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th > house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house > also > represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along > with > its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional > imprint > there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to > be > taken care of nicely (children and higher education). > > One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly > helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. > > As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past > anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th > sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've > seen. > Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get > onboard > fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong > side > of > the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I > know > some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area > more > than the average person. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for > to a good extent. > > I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of > Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. > > Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house > issues. > > One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be > driven by economic principles above anything else. > > L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the > mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in > the > 8th house itself. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population > control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a > closet > case religious man. > > We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering > any > touchy religious questions. > > Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the > religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. > > He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically > correct (in a roundabout way). > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the > second wealthiest man in the world. > > Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and > afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely > inline > with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by > Mars. > > I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo > asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, > he > wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have > outlived > his > mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his > genetic empire. > > I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " > rather, > " which asc fits him best. " > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my > religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to > all > sorts of divination. > > I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much > religiously inclined in my private life. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for > secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's > longelivity > isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and > advocate > of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - > must > have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in > the > case of Mars)? > > He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a > pessimistic > view on religion in general. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong > Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of > religious > principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets > Jupiter > and > Sun. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It's hard for me to say. > > What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be > drastically different. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Professor, Arun and list, > > Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this > in > a Leo asc chart? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to > see. > > I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: > > (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the > 9 > planets on 8/30/1930. > > (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing > the > ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial > bone > structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired > physical > traits. > > © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being > ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can > bless > one > with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the > 2nd > house > stands out the most. > > (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and > L9 > act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd > house > of > status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the > strong > Sun > on > the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. > > (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy > Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime > significator > for > assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, > along > with > Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as > well, > along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. > > (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear > of public speaking. > > Hope this helps. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: > Dear List, > Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the > book > " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, > at > the > library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though > no > birth > time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked > closed, > and > he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental > and > emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. > (perhaps > debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet > sources, > is > Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, > 1931, > the > most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and > Aquarius. > On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong > benefics > were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and > Gemini-5. > (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the > most > combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. > Warren > and family suffered poverty in > his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong > motivation > to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be > very > rich. > With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in > Ketu > subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since > the > chart > is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation > rather > than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 > birthtime > which > gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out Professor Choudhry's > suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. > I will finish reading the book and check out the events against > the > other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, > and > glad > to > hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will > check > out > the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong > possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. > I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked > at. > > In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with > strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to > be > a > stronger possibility. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, > > As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. > > How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su > L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic > affluence > through > investments as well. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, > > Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when > the > Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. > > One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose > may > be prominent and somewhat wide. > > Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other > Leo's. > > Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one > > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > siha wrote: > Hello Vyas, > > Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Professor, > > > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in > the > world > > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > - > > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > > Re: Warren Buffett > > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > > > Leo > > Virgo > > Libra > > Pisces > > > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to > understand > the > > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in > the > world. > > > > If this helps the discussion... > > > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally > despite > great > > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he > bought > many > > years > > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't > always > succeed > > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices > positioned > him > > better, contact-wise. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > On > Behalf > > Of Arun Rao > > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > > > Thank you for your efforts. > > > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a > general > > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there > is > no > > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well > aware > of. > > > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base > rectifications > off > of, > > it > > becomes guesswork. > > > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but > obviously > > we > > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the > placements > > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable > ascendant. > > > > But deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > > > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> > wrote: > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my > previous > > message. > > > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one > can > dive > in > > a > > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but > no > > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested > list > > members > > have a better luck. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " %40 " > > [HYPERLINK > > " %40 " ] On > Behalf > Of > > Vyas Munidas > > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > Dear Jorge, > > > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about > this > > chart. > > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've > included > a > > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's > life > in > hopes > > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and > other > > esteemed > > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > > > 1944: (14 years old) > > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > > > 1945: (15 years old) > > first job > > > > 1947: (17 years old) > > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of > Pennsylvania. > > > > 1950: (20 years old) > > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled > at > > Columbia. > > > > 1952: (22 years old) > > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, > female > > > > 1954: (24 years old) > > New job with Graham > > Second child, male > > > > 1956: (26 years old) > > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. > The > Buffett > > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > > Associates, > > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and > friends > put > in > a > > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the > course > of > > the year, > > > > 1957: (27 years old) > > Third child, Peter, > > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > > > 1960: (30 years old) > > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other > doctors > who > > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. > Eventually, > > 11 > > doctors agreed to invest. > > > > 1961: (31 years old) > > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 > million > > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > > > 1965: (35 years old) > > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > > > 1968: (38 years old) > > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious > liberal > arts > > college in Iowa. > > > > 1969: (39 years old) > > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the > partnership > and > > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > > > 1971: (41 years old) > > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home > at > Laguna > > Beach. > > > > 1974: (44 years old) > > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock > portfolio > > began > > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The > U.S. > > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation > into > > Warren > > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of > the > > investigation. > > > > 1977: (47 years old) > > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for > $32.5 > million. > > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a > competing > > paper. > > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing > him. > This > > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > > > 1983: (53 years old) > > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 > for > the > > first > > time. > > > > 1988: (58 years old) > > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually > purchasing > up > > to > > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to > be > one > of > > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > > > 1989: (59 years old) > > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's > net > worth > > rose > > with it to $3.8 billion. > > > > 1997: (67 years old) > > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an > investment > at > > about $6 per ounce. > > > > 2002: (72 years old) > > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to > deliver > US > > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain > on > these > > contracts was over $2 billion. > > > > 2003: (73 years old) > > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over > $600 > > million dollars. > > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, > conducted > > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party > nominee > for > > President in 2004.[14] > > > > 2004: (74 years old) > > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of > Coca-Cola > > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a > conflict > of > > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, > heavy > > buyers > > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to > favor > > Pepsi? " > > > > 2005: (75 years old) > > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the > US > dollar > > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's > reinsurance > > divisions. > > > > 2006: (76 years old) > > > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their > General > Re > > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with > American > > International Group. > > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest > purchase > he > has > > ever made outside of the United States. > > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% > or > about > > $37 > > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual > gifts > of > > stock starting in July 2006. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > > > > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to > become > a > > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > > possibility > > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Arun, Yes you are correct, I had a little brain 'burp.' Thanks. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 9:56 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett My dear Vyas, Okey dokey. The bottom line is Aquarius and Leo are the top two finalists and, like you say, date by date rectification is needed. Moon is a FM and the MMP for Leo Asc., and when near any MEP will cause an affliction. For any non-MT sign, the orb of affliction is 5 degrees. I think you may have overlooked this by mistake in the message below? Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I agree with you about the Leo chart being very powerful. There's no dispute there at all. However, the Aq chart matches quite very well for the significations of earning through speculation, father issues, etc. I've plotted charts of affluent friends of mine and it always shows good combinations of wealth and status. However, in the chart of the wealthiest of the lot, there is a very strong 8H. Money just seems to follow them around no matter what, while others have to work hard for it. Perhaps, this is the element that takes it over the top when it's a close call. You asked about domestic life. In the chart proposed 17:42 Aq, deb Moon is close to 10H MEP at 14:34, but they (4, 10H) contain no MT signs. There is justification in what's observed - lack of smooth domestic life. In the Leo chart has Moon in the 4H; even though weak, it would would be largely made up for by placment and closeness to the MEP. Such an individual would have had a much smoother home life. Problems with regards to scandals can be given if the axis stayed stationary for a long time in even signs around the 14:30 mark in weak FM subperiods. It would be worthwile for us to look into this further. On the issue of atheism and pro-abortionism, the Leo chart is too strong in my opinion and there are no reasons for it I can see. However the Aq chart has the problem of the weak and afflicted 9H with Ve in utter old age close to Ke. Weak 9H also matches well with the lower longelivity of father compared to mother. I'll look closer into death of father in the Aq chart and reply separately. At this point, we need some rectification with dates. Ms Powers will provide the necessary dates and we can continue this exercise. I have no problem in throwing out my opinion on the Aq chart if during rectification it doesn't fit. However, the major elements do fit so far. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 4:25 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Ok. The Leo chart is a much better one for status in my opinion. The influence of the Sun-like lords in the case of Leo takes it over the top. The Aquarius chart is great for inheritance and easy gains. The father's financial position would have to have been astounding. Investment gains can be seen in both charts. The Aquarius chart is not giving me satisfactory results for the death of the father on 4/30/1964. Perhaps you could look into this as well. Wider aspects are relevant after the age of 50 I would think depending on the amount of distance from the MEP. Plus I disagree that one's stance on abortion and population control comes necessarily from a weak/aff L9. I don't view such stances as necessarily lacking in morality or divine grace. In this day and age, they are common and economically prudent positions to have. Mercury would have to be near the MEP of the 8th, afflicting the 2nd house to justify this. Perhaps Moon afflicting the house of family and mental conditioning plays a role too. I think in the case of either chart Moon should be near the MEP. Domestic life wasn't always smooth for him. However, with Moon influencing the 10th house closely in the case of Aquarius along with Mercury afflicting the 2nd house closely, the status of the native appears to be weak and damaged. Strong Sun and Jupiter must have staved off a whole lot of problems. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, If I may chime in, status is seen from the 2, 5, 10 houses containing a MT sign and the influences on them. Sun and Jupiter are the general significators of status in any nativity. In The Aq chart, very strong Sun and Jupiter influence the Asc, and Jupiter itself sits in the 5H and makes a wide asp to LO1 (all likely close). Additionally, the likely cause of investigations he's seen is by Me's asp to 2H. Nothing coming out of it is due to Sun and Jupiter as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Friday, August 04, 2006 3:03 PM Re: To Re: Warren Buffett Dear Esteemed , Many thanks as always. Easy gains do exist in plenty with the Aquarius chart, but what justifies his incredible status in society as well in the Aquarius chart? Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello dear Vyas, I am solely basing my view for the ascendant on the basis of the list of events given in one of the messages. The death of father, his persistent entrepreneureship, easy gains, financial investments are the reasons which weigh in favor of an Aquarius ascendant. Strong Saturn, aspect of strong Sun to the ascendant, third lord strong in fifth house and mutually acting with strong lord of the ascendant, aspect of strong Jupiter to the ascendant and strong and exalted Mercury in the eighth house are the basis. Those who are taking lot of interest in this can analyze further with taking the ascending degree around 18 with birth time as around 1905 hours. As Arun said he looks like Leo, the aspect of the Sun to the ascendant seems to be the reason for the same. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com www.JyotishRemedies121.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018. (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Friday, August 04, 2006 6:55 PM To Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > I think your input is required here as there are lots of arguments on > either > side. Comparing Leo vs Aq, which would be more suitable on that day > considering the following issues: > > 1) Atheism > 2) Pro abortion and population control > 3) Better longelivity of mother vs father since the natal chart superseeds > all as you have recently driven home > > Both Arun and I fully agree that Leo is a more affluent chart, however > these > issues remain outstanding in my opinion. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Friday, August 04, 2006 3:15 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Vyas, > > The longevity of any individual is difficult to gauge exactly, let alone > having to do as such for someone else based on a chart other than their > own. > > Judging from the transits on 4/30/1964, Leo ascendant gives us better > indications for the passing of the father. Natal L9 was under the close > affliction of the nodes. Transit L9 had come under the influence of the > natal nodes. The final trigger may well have been the influence of transit > MMP Moon on natal L9. Plus the nodal sub and main period were running, > which > adds an extra dose of malefic relevance to the natal and transit L9. > > Both the 4th and 9th houses have a role to play with regards to parents. > Though they are skewed to one parent respectively, there is overlap. > > The 8th house first and foremost gives obstructions. It is a malefic > house. > The obstructions given by the house can lead one to pursue mysticism, > religion, occult, etc. to find meaning in life. > > As for Saturn, the influence can be there in both charts. Since his views > on > childbirth are on the restrictive side, I think it is reasonable to see a > strong Saturnian influence on the 5th and 2nd houses. > > He seems to have en extremely pragmatic, emotionally detached mental > approach to life. The 5th and 2nd houses strongly influence one's > intelligence. The numbers drive him-- luxuries, pleasures, and > enjoyments > play no role whatsoever. Saturn and Mercury would be the influences at > work > here, along with Mars. Strong Mars-Saturn-Mercury is a combination for > fantastic technical mastery. > > One can argue that an Aquarius native would be spiritualized as well, with > the strong L1 Saturn ruling the religious traits of Saturn, the strong 5th > house, the strong 8th house, and the strong Sun/Jupiter. Perhaps not to > the > same extent as Leo. The Aquarian would be drawn to mystical knowledge in > this case. > > Buffett's father was a prominent, successful figure. His father was > himself > into the investment business. So, it is reasonable to say that Buffett's > father played a sizeable role in shaping his child's earlier years of > life, > which in turn contributed to the latter's line of work and huge successes > down the road. The role of the father is larger in the Leo chart. There is > a > passing of the torch in the case of Leo that I don't see as strongly with > Aquarius. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Thanks for clarifying. > > I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: > > S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & > religious thinking. " > > S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the Saturnian > spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a > capacity > for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, discipline, > self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the > spiritual life. " > > {Saturn in either consideration will give this} > > S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H is > transferred to the 9H. " > > {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} > > The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, > funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity > of > father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what > his > motivation for having them really is. > > The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close > influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, > and > on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive > 'scarcity of resources' thinking. > > Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it > is > placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of > religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. > > If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. > Economics is his religion. > > His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically > speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. > > Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above > both > the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of > children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. > > The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th > house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house > also > represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along > with > its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional > imprint > there. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to > be > taken care of nicely (children and higher education). > > One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly > helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. > > As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past > anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th > sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've > seen. > Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get > onboard > fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong > side > of > the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I > know > some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area > more > than the average person. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for > to a good extent. > > I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of > Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. > > Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house > issues. > > One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be > driven by economic principles above anything else. > > L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the > mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in > the > 8th house itself. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population > control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a > closet > case religious man. > > We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering > any > touchy religious questions. > > Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the > religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. > > He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically > correct (in a roundabout way). > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the > second wealthiest man in the world. > > Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and > afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely > inline > with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by > Mars. > > I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo > asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, > he > wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have > outlived > his > mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his > genetic empire. > > I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " > rather, > " which asc fits him best. " > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my > religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to > all > sorts of divination. > > I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much > religiously inclined in my private life. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for > secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's > longelivity > isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and > advocate > of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - > must > have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in > the > case of Mars)? > > He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a > pessimistic > view on religion in general. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Arun, > > In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong > Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of > religious > principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets > Jupiter > and > Sun. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Vyas, > > It's hard for me to say. > > What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be > drastically different. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Professor, Arun and list, > > Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this > in > a Leo asc chart? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to > see. > > I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: > > (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the > 9 > planets on 8/30/1930. > > (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing > the > ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial > bone > structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired > physical > traits. > > © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being > ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can > bless > one > with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the > 2nd > house > stands out the most. > > (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and > L9 > act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd > house > of > status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the > strong > Sun > on > the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. > > (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy > Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime > significator > for > assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, > along > with > Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as > well, > along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. > > (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear > of public speaking. > > Hope this helps. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: > Dear List, > Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the > book > " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, > at > the > library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though > no > birth > time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked > closed, > and > he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental > and > emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. > (perhaps > debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet > sources, > is > Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, > 1931, > the > most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and > Aquarius. > On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong > benefics > were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and > Gemini-5. > (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the > most > combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. > Warren > and family suffered poverty in > his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong > motivation > to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be > very > rich. > With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in > Ketu > subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since > the > chart > is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation > rather > than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 > birthtime > which > gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out Professor Choudhry's > suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. > I will finish reading the book and check out the events against > the > other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, > and > glad > to > hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will > check > out > the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong > possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. > I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked > at. > > In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with > strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to > be > a > stronger possibility. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, > > As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. > > How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su > L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic > affluence > through > investments as well. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, > > Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when > the > Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. > > One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose > may > be prominent and somewhat wide. > > Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other > Leo's. > > Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one > > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > siha wrote: > Hello Vyas, > > Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > Dear Professor, > > > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in > the > world > > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > - > > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > > Re: Warren Buffett > > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > > > Leo > > Virgo > > Libra > > Pisces > > > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to > understand > the > > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in > the > world. > > > > If this helps the discussion... > > > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally > despite > great > > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he > bought > many > > years > > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't > always > succeed > > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices > positioned > him > > better, contact-wise. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > On > Behalf > > Of Arun Rao > > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > > > Thank you for your efforts. > > > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a > general > > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there > is > no > > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well > aware > of. > > > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base > rectifications > off > of, > > it > > becomes guesswork. > > > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but > obviously > > we > > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the > placements > > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable > ascendant. > > > > But deeper examination is needed. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > > > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> > wrote: > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my > previous > > message. > > > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one > can > dive > in > > a > > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but > no > > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested > list > > members > > have a better luck. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " %40 " > > [HYPERLINK > > " %40 " ] On > Behalf > Of > > Vyas Munidas > > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > Dear Jorge, > > > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about > this > > chart. > > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've > included > a > > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's > life > in > hopes > > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and > other > > esteemed > > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > > > 1944: (14 years old) > > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > > > 1945: (15 years old) > > first job > > > > 1947: (17 years old) > > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of > Pennsylvania. > > > > 1950: (20 years old) > > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled > at > > Columbia. > > > > 1952: (22 years old) > > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, > female > > > > 1954: (24 years old) > > New job with Graham > > Second child, male > > > > 1956: (26 years old) > > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. > The > Buffett > > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > > Associates, > > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and > friends > put > in > a > > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the > course > of > > the year, > > > > 1957: (27 years old) > > Third child, Peter, > > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > > > 1960: (30 years old) > > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other > doctors > who > > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. > Eventually, > > 11 > > doctors agreed to invest. > > > > 1961: (31 years old) > > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 > million > > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > > > 1965: (35 years old) > > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > > > 1968: (38 years old) > > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious > liberal > arts > > college in Iowa. > > > > 1969: (39 years old) > > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the > partnership > and > > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > > > 1971: (41 years old) > > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home > at > Laguna > > Beach. > > > > 1974: (44 years old) > > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock > portfolio > > began > > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The > U.S. > > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation > into > > Warren > > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of > the > > investigation. > > > > 1977: (47 years old) > > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for > $32.5 > million. > > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a > competing > > paper. > > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing > him. > This > > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > > > 1983: (53 years old) > > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 > for > the > > first > > time. > > > > 1988: (58 years old) > > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually > purchasing > up > > to > > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to > be > one > of > > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > > > 1989: (59 years old) > > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's > net > worth > > rose > > with it to $3.8 billion. > > > > 1997: (67 years old) > > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an > investment > at > > about $6 per ounce. > > > > 2002: (72 years old) > > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to > deliver > US > > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain > on > these > > contracts was over $2 billion. > > > > 2003: (73 years old) > > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over > $600 > > million dollars. > > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, > conducted > > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party > nominee > for > > President in 2004.[14] > > > > 2004: (74 years old) > > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of > Coca-Cola > > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a > conflict > of > > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, > heavy > > buyers > > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to > favor > > Pepsi? " > > > > 2005: (75 years old) > > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the > US > dollar > > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's > reinsurance > > divisions. > > > > 2006: (76 years old) > > > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their > General > Re > > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with > American > > International Group. > > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest > purchase > he > has > > ever made outside of the United States. > > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% > or > about > > $37 > > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual > gifts > of > > stock starting in July 2006. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > > > > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren > Buffet > > > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to > become > a > > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > > possibility > > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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