Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Hello PercyMercy, Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It has faith and trust. So, everybody is free for following trust or pure scientific method as per one's own choice. Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. When predictions are made for mundane events like the election of President of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was purely on the basis of planetary influences and the planetary influences were discussed on the list for Mundane Events. Best wishes, - " percymercy21 " <percymercy21 Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:47 AM Transits as on 16th November > The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. > But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get > in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we > had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature > on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back > on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it > humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Dear List member 'Percymercy21', Namasthe.I saw your remarks this morning concerning Prof.Choudhry's prediction. I would like to make a few remarks just to show you how wrong you have been in your hasty judgements of the Systems Approach and the Professor's work. Any serious SA Astrologer would know how serious this Tr affliction was going to be.In fact it was more serious than the Me-Ve 'travelling conjunction' which had developed in India's chart at the time of the Tsunami, on Dec 26th, 2004. #1.It is well-known in Vedic/Hindu Astrology that prayers/Pariharas offered to God, have the enormous power to alter/modify what is on the cards-as revealed by Predictive Astrology.Thus in my own experience, just last year, when a 92yr old lady had gone into Coma, I had an Abhisheka performed, with myself being physically present at the Shani Bhagavan shrine, and lo and behold! the old lady came out of the coma, much to my own amazement.Such is the power of the Remedial Measures. #2.The future is a series of probabilities and Astrology, just points out the most probable events.A God-blessed Astrologer[Daivagna]like Prof.Choudhry has the blessings of God to make accurate predictions-but these can be modified by the individual's prayers-since God is well-known to be Bhaktaparadhina[dependent upon the individual consciousness].So, one is not disappointed[ and much less angry], when a prediction is 'softened'.It is the Astrologer's moral responsibility to forewarn and this is exactly what the Professor has done.It is our immense good fortune that we have Prof.Choudhry in our midst to lead us from darkness to light. #3.I learnt the Systems Approach from Prof.Choudhry and have had success in my astrological work.See my website www.hinduworldastrology.net, where you will find as many as 15 case studies, in which people, whose fate was deplorable came out of all those sufferings, thanks to the Remedial Measures and the framework of the Systems Approach. #4.One has to study Astrology for many years, before one can make sense of what it is all about.So, please be a little patient and study more examples.I have 19 vols of my dialogues with Prof.Choudhry on the net.Sometimes when I say an impromptu word or two or gratitude to Prof.Choudhry, I have tears in my eyes.I just ask you to see my point, thats all. Best Regards Sankara Bhagavadpada - percymercy21 Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:47 AM Transits as on 16th November The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Dear Professor, This brings up a good point, so many of us involved in astrology are faith based and the negative influences are nil to mild, when it comes to fleeting transit effects...Then it also comes down to each person's chart and if that gets afflicted or not...which may give a bigger impact than transit affects do, or not depending on the life we choose to live. Aloha, Sally On 11/21/06, siha <siha wrote: > > Hello PercyMercy, > > Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It has faith and trust. So, > everybody is free for following trust or pure scientific method as per > one's > own choice. > > Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. > > When predictions are made for mundane events like the election of > President > of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was purely on the basis of > planetary influences and the planetary influences were discussed on the > list > for Mundane Events. > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 It seems that we are oversimplying matters here. I mean, for evil events to be placed under a certain measure of control like by prayers, it would require certain specific course of action carried out in unison by great number of people, not perhaps a few. It hard to accept that a one line statement that prayers prevented the disastrous events from fructifying. In the context of India, on other days when evil events did happen on a disastrous scale as per astrological tendencies, we cannot say that prayers were not done. India is a country where constant and daily prayers are offered in thousands of temples and places of worship. But on those days the planets seemed to have the upper hand and inflicted the full power to cause sufferings and pain to thousands to people. The question to pose is - was the 16th November 2006 prediction made mild solely due to the prayers or were we astrologers caught napping or did the methodology/system fail us. Even in the case of individual charts we have seen how even prayers failed to alleviate the sufferings. Somehow the individual had to go through the difficult patch. But let us not fault the inefficacy or the insufficiency of prayers on the part of these people who had spend time in pray. Let us be fair to them. They had done their part. But somehow the evil prevailed. Perhaps the answers to the these things are beyond us. Perhaps as some will say it is our karma. Whatever it is, it leads us to back to the 16th November 2006 poser - was it actually prayers that prevented a massive disaster. I am not expecting a feedback to this mail. There is nothing much we can say except to attribute much to faith and believe. Percy siha wrote: Hello PercyMercy, Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It has faith and trust. So, everybody is free for following trust or pure scientific method as per one's own choice. Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. When predictions are made for mundane events like the election of President of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was purely on the basis of planetary influences and the planetary influences were discussed on the list for Mundane Events. Best wishes, - " percymercy21 " <percymercy21 Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:47 AM Transits as on 16th November > The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. > But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get > in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we > had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature > on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back > on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it > humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Hello Percy, In numerous predictions made on the list and SAMVA, I never added the line of prayers. This time it just came to my mind and I added it. The predictions were for the full week and not for the 16th November alone. Some list member asked when the impact may be more and then the dates 15th, 16th and 17 were focused. I believe that both the planetary afflictions and prayers both show their results. Under these planetary influences the earth also moved on 11th November, 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov in eastern India. Just for the quick reference the following prediction was made on the 8th November. Quote In Indian independence chart the planetary positions are going to be unfavorably poised in the next week and are indicative of some major accident, earthquake, group deaths, major controvercies, financial setback, etc. and specially around 16th November, 2006. Unquote Best wishes, - " Percymercy21 Labder " <percymercy21 Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:10 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November > It seems that we are oversimplying matters here. I mean, for evil events > to be placed under a certain measure of control like by prayers, it would > require certain specific course of action carried out in unison by great > number of people, not perhaps a few. It hard to accept that a one line > statement that prayers prevented the disastrous events from fructifying. > > In the context of India, on other days when evil events did happen on a > disastrous scale as per astrological tendencies, we cannot say that > prayers were not done. India is a country where constant and daily prayers > are offered in thousands of temples and places of worship. But on those > days the planets seemed to have the upper hand and inflicted the full > power to cause sufferings and pain to thousands to people. > > The question to pose is - was the 16th November 2006 prediction made mild > solely due to the prayers or were we astrologers caught napping or did the > methodology/system fail us. > > Even in the case of individual charts we have seen how even prayers > failed to alleviate the sufferings. Somehow the individual had to go > through the difficult patch. But let us not fault the inefficacy or the > insufficiency of prayers on the part of these people who had spend time in > pray. Let us be fair to them. They had done their part. But somehow the > evil prevailed. > > Perhaps the answers to the these things are beyond us. Perhaps as some > will say it is our karma. Whatever it is, it leads us to back to the 16th > November 2006 poser - was it actually prayers that prevented a massive > disaster. > > I am not expecting a feedback to this mail. There is nothing much we can > say except to attribute much to faith and believe. > > Percy > > siha wrote: > Hello PercyMercy, > > Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It has faith and trust. So, > everybody is free for following trust or pure scientific method as per > one's > own choice. > > Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. > > When predictions are made for mundane events like the election of > President > of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was purely on the basis of > planetary influences and the planetary influences were discussed on the > list > for Mundane Events. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " percymercy21 " <percymercy21 > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:47 AM > Transits as on 16th November > >> The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. >> But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get >> in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we >> had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature >> on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back >> on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it >> humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Dear Professor, PercyMercy and list members, On Nov. 15th, there was a powerful undersea 8.1 earthquake north east of Japan that prompted tsunami warnings as far away as Alaska. When I heard about that event in the news I thought immediately that it might be linked with the transits mentioned. By chance the waves that stroke the shores were only 4 feet high. But for a number of hours, great fear spread all over that part of the world. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15726732/ With kind regards, Jean Bianchi - siha Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:07 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November Hello PercyMercy, Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It has faith and trust. So, everybody is free for following trust or pure scientific method as per one's own choice. Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. When predictions are made for mundane events like the election of President of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was purely on the basis of planetary influences and the planetary influences were discussed on the list for Mundane Events. Best wishes, - " percymercy21 " <percymercy21 Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:47 AM Transits as on 16th November > The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. > But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get > in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we > had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature > on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back > on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it > humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 But, Jean, this prediction was concerning India, not some far away country. Jean Bianchi <jeanbianchi wrote: Dear Professor, PercyMercy and list members, On Nov. 15th, there was a powerful undersea 8.1 earthquake north east of Japan that prompted tsunami warnings as far away as Alaska. When I heard about that event in the news I thought immediately that it might be linked with the transits mentioned. By chance the waves that stroke the shores were only 4 feet high. But for a number of hours, great fear spread all over that part of the world. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15726732/ With kind regards, Jean Bianchi - siha Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:07 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November Hello PercyMercy, Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It has faith and trust. So, everybody is free for following trust or pure scientific method as per one's own choice. Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. When predictions are made for mundane events like the election of President of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was purely on the basis of planetary influences and the planetary influences were discussed on the list for Mundane Events. Best wishes, - " percymercy21 " <percymercy21 Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:47 AM Transits as on 16th November > The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. > But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get > in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we > had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature > on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back > on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it > humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hello PercyMercy and list members, you're right the predictions were concerning India mainly and Taurus ascendant countries. Japan too is a Taurus ascendant country according to the rectified Japan chart by Jorge Angelino. With kind regards, Jean - Percymercy21 Labder Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:39 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November But, Jean, this prediction was concerning India, not some far away country. Jean Bianchi <jeanbianchi wrote: Dear Professor, PercyMercy and list members, On Nov. 15th, there was a powerful undersea 8.1 earthquake north east of Japan that prompted tsunami warnings as far away as Alaska. When I heard about that event in the news I thought immediately that it might be linked with the transits mentioned. By chance the waves that stroke the shores were only 4 feet high. But for a number of hours, great fear spread all over that part of the world. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15726732/ With kind regards, Jean Bianchi - siha Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:07 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November Hello PercyMercy, Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It has faith and trust. So, everybody is free for following trust or pure scientific method as per one's own choice. Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. When predictions are made for mundane events like the election of President of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was purely on the basis of planetary influences and the planetary influences were discussed on the list for Mundane Events. Best wishes, - " percymercy21 " <percymercy21 Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:47 AM Transits as on 16th November > The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. > But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get > in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we > had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature > on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back > on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it > humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Dear Professor, When someone asked you about the real bad days, you said it was only the 16th November. But as it happened the events manifested before and after the 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events as it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the methodolody we use in making predictions - namely, that whenever the affliction is exact, we should also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees either way (not necessarily limited to the precise date and that date only). If that is agreed, then the prediction should be that between 11th November - 21 November the events may occur. Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' trait to overide established principles (which otherwise should work) and bring out their sudden creativity totally unexpected and contrary to normal expectations. A case in point is the September 11 incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination of Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic astrologer predicted these events. No fault of anyone or any system, I think Professor must be applauded for creating a think tank that is constantly exploring new ways to find new answers to old problems. As it stands now, there is still a certain measure of credibility gap in astrological predictions on moments that mean a lot to us. Percy siha wrote: Hello Percy, In numerous predictions made on the list and SAMVA, I never added the line of prayers. This time it just came to my mind and I added it. The predictions were for the full week and not for the 16th November alone. Some list member asked when the impact may be more and then the dates 15th, 16th and 17 were focused. I believe that both the planetary afflictions and prayers both show their results. Under these planetary influences the earth also moved on 11th November, 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov in eastern India. Just for the quick reference the following prediction was made on the 8th November. Quote In Indian independence chart the planetary positions are going to be unfavorably poised in the next week and are indicative of some major accident, earthquake, group deaths, major controvercies, financial setback, etc. and specially around 16th November, 2006. Unquote Best wishes, - " Percymercy21 Labder " <percymercy21 Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:10 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November > It seems that we are oversimplying matters here. I mean, for evil events > to be placed under a certain measure of control like by prayers, it would > require certain specific course of action carried out in unison by great > number of people, not perhaps a few. It hard to accept that a one line > statement that prayers prevented the disastrous events from fructifying. > > In the context of India, on other days when evil events did happen on a > disastrous scale as per astrological tendencies, we cannot say that > prayers were not done. India is a country where constant and daily prayers > are offered in thousands of temples and places of worship. But on those > days the planets seemed to have the upper hand and inflicted the full > power to cause sufferings and pain to thousands to people. > > The question to pose is - was the 16th November 2006 prediction made mild > solely due to the prayers or were we astrologers caught napping or did the > methodology/system fail us. > > Even in the case of individual charts we have seen how even prayers > failed to alleviate the sufferings. Somehow the individual had to go > through the difficult patch. But let us not fault the inefficacy or the > insufficiency of prayers on the part of these people who had spend time in > pray. Let us be fair to them. They had done their part. But somehow the > evil prevailed. > > Perhaps the answers to the these things are beyond us. Perhaps as some > will say it is our karma. Whatever it is, it leads us to back to the 16th > November 2006 poser - was it actually prayers that prevented a massive > disaster. > > I am not expecting a feedback to this mail. There is nothing much we can > say except to attribute much to faith and believe. > > Percy > > siha wrote: > Hello PercyMercy, > > Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It has faith and trust. So, > everybody is free for following trust or pure scientific method as per > one's > own choice. > > Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. > > When predictions are made for mundane events like the election of > President > of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was purely on the basis of > planetary influences and the planetary influences were discussed on the > list > for Mundane Events. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " percymercy21 " <percymercy21 > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:47 AM > Transits as on 16th November > >> The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. >> But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get >> in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we >> had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature >> on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back >> on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it >> humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hello Percy, I said around 16th November. Later the focus from 15th to 17th was indicated because then the Sun was also under the exact influence of Rahu. Though, no apparent serious incident has happened but the entry of 10 Al Queda men in Indian between 15th to 17th and the threat to infrastractural and nuclear installations is not significant, in any way. To be precise it will only be divine. I see the system followed by me is working and there is always scope for improvement and that is being brought in the form of revised edition of the books and updation on the website besides the interaction on the list. Best wishes, - " Percymercy21 Labder " <percymercy21 Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:55 AM Re: Transits as on 16th November > Dear Professor, > > When someone asked you about the real bad days, you said it was only the > 16th November. But as it happened the events manifested before and after > the 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the prediction to a > precise date. Doesn't the events as it happened tend to reveal another > aspect of the methodolody we use in making predictions - namely, that > whenever the affliction is exact, we should also extend the dates that > cover the 5 degrees either way (not necessarily limited to the precise > date and that date only). If that is agreed, then the prediction should be > that between 11th November - 21 November the events may occur. > > Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' trait to overide established > principles (which otherwise should work) and bring out their sudden > creativity totally unexpected and contrary to normal expectations. A case > in point is the September 11 incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, > assassination of Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic astrologer > predicted these events. > > No fault of anyone or any system, I think Professor must be applauded for > creating a think tank that is constantly exploring new ways to find new > answers to old problems. As it stands now, there is still a certain > measure of credibility gap in astrological predictions on moments that > mean a lot to us. > > Percy > > > siha wrote: > Hello Percy, > > In numerous predictions made on the list and SAMVA, I never added the line > of prayers. This time it just came to my mind and I added it. The > predictions were for the full week and not for the 16th November alone. > Some > list member asked when the impact may be more and then the dates 15th, > 16th > and 17 were focused. I believe that both the planetary afflictions and > prayers both show their results. > > Under these planetary influences the earth also moved on 11th November, > 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov in eastern India. > > Just for the quick reference the following prediction was made on the 8th > November. > > Quote > > In Indian independence chart the planetary positions are going to be > unfavorably poised in the next week and are indicative of some major > accident, earthquake, group deaths, major controvercies, financial > setback, > etc. and specially > around 16th November, 2006. > > Unquote > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Percymercy21 Labder " <percymercy21 > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:10 PM > Re: Transits as on 16th November > >> It seems that we are oversimplying matters here. I mean, for evil events >> to be placed under a certain measure of control like by prayers, it would >> require certain specific course of action carried out in unison by great >> number of people, not perhaps a few. It hard to accept that a one line >> statement that prayers prevented the disastrous events from fructifying. >> >> In the context of India, on other days when evil events did happen on a >> disastrous scale as per astrological tendencies, we cannot say that >> prayers were not done. India is a country where constant and daily >> prayers >> are offered in thousands of temples and places of worship. But on those >> days the planets seemed to have the upper hand and inflicted the full >> power to cause sufferings and pain to thousands to people. >> >> The question to pose is - was the 16th November 2006 prediction made mild >> solely due to the prayers or were we astrologers caught napping or did >> the >> methodology/system fail us. >> >> Even in the case of individual charts we have seen how even prayers >> failed to alleviate the sufferings. Somehow the individual had to go >> through the difficult patch. But let us not fault the inefficacy or the >> insufficiency of prayers on the part of these people who had spend time >> in >> pray. Let us be fair to them. They had done their part. But somehow the >> evil prevailed. >> >> Perhaps the answers to the these things are beyond us. Perhaps as some >> will say it is our karma. Whatever it is, it leads us to back to the 16th >> November 2006 poser - was it actually prayers that prevented a massive >> disaster. >> >> I am not expecting a feedback to this mail. There is nothing much we can >> say except to attribute much to faith and believe. >> >> Percy >> >> siha wrote: >> Hello PercyMercy, >> >> Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It has faith and trust. So, >> everybody is free for following trust or pure scientific method as per >> one's >> own choice. >> >> Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. >> >> When predictions are made for mundane events like the election of >> President >> of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was purely on the basis of >> planetary influences and the planetary influences were discussed on the >> list >> for Mundane Events. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> - >> " percymercy21 " <percymercy21 >> >> Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:47 AM >> Transits as on 16th November >> >>> The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. >>> But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get >>> in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we >>> had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature >>> on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back >>> on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it >>> humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hi Percy, The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian Tsunami, and the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be seen in the proper context. In addition to having accurate charts, there needs to be careful monitoring and study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the charts of the countries/regions affected. I wouldn't go as far as saying that no one predicted such events not because it's out of your experience. As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove mountains of heavy karma. Keep studying and rifle through as many cases studies as you can. The knowledge and expertise will come by hard work and the blessings from . Best regards, Vyas Munidas - Percymercy21 Labder Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November Dear Professor, When someone asked you about the real bad days, you said it was only the 16th November. But as it happened the events manifested before and after the 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events as it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the methodolody we use in making predictions - namely, that whenever the affliction is exact, we should also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees either way (not necessarily limited to the precise date and that date only). If that is agreed, then the prediction should be that between 11th November - 21 November the events may occur. Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' trait to overide established principles (which otherwise should work) and bring out their sudden creativity totally unexpected and contrary to normal expectations. A case in point is the September 11 incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination of Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic astrologer predicted these events. No fault of anyone or any system, I think Professor must be applauded for creating a think tank that is constantly exploring new ways to find new answers to old problems. As it stands now, there is still a certain measure of credibility gap in astrological predictions on moments that mean a lot to us. Percy siha wrote: Hello Percy, In numerous predictions made on the list and SAMVA, I never added the line of prayers. This time it just came to my mind and I added it. The predictions were for the full week and not for the 16th November alone. Some list member asked when the impact may be more and then the dates 15th, 16th and 17 were focused. I believe that both the planetary afflictions and prayers both show their results. Under these planetary influences the earth also moved on 11th November, 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov in eastern India. Just for the quick reference the following prediction was made on the 8th November. Quote In Indian independence chart the planetary positions are going to be unfavorably poised in the next week and are indicative of some major accident, earthquake, group deaths, major controvercies, financial setback, etc. and specially around 16th November, 2006. Unquote Best wishes, - " Percymercy21 Labder " <percymercy21 Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:10 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November > It seems that we are oversimplying matters here. I mean, for evil events > to be placed under a certain measure of control like by prayers, it would > require certain specific course of action carried out in unison by great > number of people, not perhaps a few. It hard to accept that a one line > statement that prayers prevented the disastrous events from fructifying. > > In the context of India, on other days when evil events did happen on a > disastrous scale as per astrological tendencies, we cannot say that > prayers were not done. India is a country where constant and daily prayers > are offered in thousands of temples and places of worship. But on those > days the planets seemed to have the upper hand and inflicted the full > power to cause sufferings and pain to thousands to people. > > The question to pose is - was the 16th November 2006 prediction made mild > solely due to the prayers or were we astrologers caught napping or did the > methodology/system fail us. > > Even in the case of individual charts we have seen how even prayers > failed to alleviate the sufferings. Somehow the individual had to go > through the difficult patch. But let us not fault the inefficacy or the > insufficiency of prayers on the part of these people who had spend time in > pray. Let us be fair to them. They had done their part. But somehow the > evil prevailed. > > Perhaps the answers to the these things are beyond us. Perhaps as some > will say it is our karma. Whatever it is, it leads us to back to the 16th > November 2006 poser - was it actually prayers that prevented a massive > disaster. > > I am not expecting a feedback to this mail. There is nothing much we can > say except to attribute much to faith and believe. > > Percy > > siha wrote: > Hello PercyMercy, > > Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It has faith and trust. So, > everybody is free for following trust or pure scientific method as per > one's > own choice. > > Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. > > When predictions are made for mundane events like the election of > President > of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was purely on the basis of > planetary influences and the planetary influences were discussed on the > list > for Mundane Events. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " percymercy21 " <percymercy21 > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:47 AM > Transits as on 16th November > >> The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. >> But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get >> in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we >> had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature >> on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back >> on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it >> humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Dear Mr Vyas, At the outset, Shri T.N Seshan,Former Election Commissioner of India had predicted Shri Rajiv Gandhis assasination. Astrology /Palmistry can be appreciated if and only if we analyse celebrities/Industrialists horoscope/hands and analyse the difference between them and the Common Man. In SATVA Gates Lagna is Gemini . In SAMVA Gates's Lagna is Cancer. Some of the Industrialists horoscope appearing in the EXPRESS STAR TELLER and the ASTROLIGICAL MAGAZINE does not have any outstanding features .Rahu/Ketu are in MEP afflicting all the houses. Some are in Old age ,some are in Infancy.Some are debilitated in Navamsa . Even in Bill Gates horo also the same feature is found.He has mitigated the Rahu/Ketu effect by charities . In the hand analysis of Bill Gates his thin fingers contributing to his intelligence is repeated at many places. There are so many intelligent people. Are they the wealthiest man ? One Cousin brother of mine flourished during MMF Jupiter dasa in MEP of the 11th for Cancer Lagna .. (Birth details accurate) . I asked this to Professor .No reply came from him. There are many tutors. They want the students to listen only and not vice versa . No teacher likes getting cornered . Vedic Astrology analyses as per Natural malefic/benefic which gives lot of room for manipulating and post martem analysis. IS ASTROLOGY A HOAX? Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hi Percy, > > The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian Tsunami, and > the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be seen in > the proper context. In addition to having accurate > charts, there needs to be careful monitoring and > study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the > charts of the countries/regions affected. I wouldn't > go as far as saying that no one predicted such > events not because it's out of your experience. > > As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was > heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably > difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove > mountains of heavy karma. > > Keep studying and rifle through as many cases > studies as you can. The knowledge and expertise will > come by hard work and the blessings from Professor > Choudhry. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > Percymercy21 Labder > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM > Re: Transits as on 16th > November > > > Dear Professor, > > When someone asked you about the real bad days, > you said it was only the 16th November. But as it > happened the events manifested before and after the > 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the > prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events as > it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the > methodolody we use in making predictions - namely, > that whenever the affliction is exact, we should > also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees > either way (not necessarily limited to the precise > date and that date only). If that is agreed, then > the prediction should be that between 11th November > - 21 November the events may occur. > > Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' trait > to overide established principles (which otherwise > should work) and bring out their sudden creativity > totally unexpected and contrary to normal > expectations. A case in point is the September 11 > incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination of > Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic astrologer > predicted these events. > > No fault of anyone or any system, I think > Professor must be applauded for creating a think > tank that is constantly exploring new ways to find > new answers to old problems. As it stands now, there > is still a certain measure of credibility gap in > astrological predictions on moments that mean a lot > to us. > > Percy > > siha wrote: > Hello Percy, > > In numerous predictions made on the list and > SAMVA, I never added the line > of prayers. This time it just came to my mind and > I added it. The > predictions were for the full week and not for the > 16th November alone. Some > list member asked when the impact may be more and > then the dates 15th, 16th > and 17 were focused. I believe that both the > planetary afflictions and > prayers both show their results. > > Under these planetary influences the earth also > moved on 11th November, > 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov in > eastern India. > > Just for the quick reference the following > prediction was made on the 8th > November. > > Quote > > In Indian independence chart the planetary > positions are going to be > unfavorably poised in the next week and are > indicative of some major > accident, earthquake, group deaths, major > controvercies, financial setback, > etc. and specially > around 16th November, 2006. > > Unquote > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Percymercy21 Labder " > <percymercy21 > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:10 PM > Re: Transits as on 16th > November > > > It seems that we are oversimplying matters here. > I mean, for evil events > > to be placed under a certain measure of control > like by prayers, it would > > require certain specific course of action > carried out in unison by great > > number of people, not perhaps a few. It hard to > accept that a one line > > statement that prayers prevented the disastrous > events from fructifying. > > > > In the context of India, on other days when evil > events did happen on a > > disastrous scale as per astrological tendencies, > we cannot say that > > prayers were not done. India is a country where > constant and daily prayers > > are offered in thousands of temples and places > of worship. But on those > > days the planets seemed to have the upper hand > and inflicted the full > > power to cause sufferings and pain to thousands > to people. > > > > The question to pose is - was the 16th November > 2006 prediction made mild > > solely due to the prayers or were we astrologers > caught napping or did the > > methodology/system fail us. > > > > Even in the case of individual charts we have > seen how even prayers > > failed to alleviate the sufferings. Somehow the > individual had to go > > through the difficult patch. But let us not > fault the inefficacy or the > > insufficiency of prayers on the part of these > people who had spend time in > > pray. Let us be fair to them. They had done > their part. But somehow the > > evil prevailed. > > > > Perhaps the answers to the these things are > beyond us. Perhaps as some > > will say it is our karma. Whatever it is, it > leads us to back to the 16th > > November 2006 poser - was it actually prayers > that prevented a massive > > disaster. > > > > I am not expecting a feedback to this mail. > There is nothing much we can > > say except to attribute much to faith and > believe. > > > > Percy > > > > siha wrote: > > Hello PercyMercy, > > > > Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It > has faith and trust. So, > > everybody is free for following trust or pure > scientific method as per > > one's > > own choice. > > > > Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. > > > > When predictions are made for mundane events > like the election of > > President > > of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was > purely on the basis of > > planetary influences and the planetary > influences were discussed on the > > list > > for Mundane Events. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Cheap talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hello Mr. Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan, I have given replies to your so many messages. I can only say that you are ungrateful person. - " SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN " <sadasivan_g Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:21 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November > Dear Mr Vyas, > > At the outset, Shri T.N Seshan,Former Election > Commissioner of India had predicted Shri Rajiv > Gandhis assasination. > > Astrology /Palmistry can be appreciated if and > only if we analyse celebrities/Industrialists > horoscope/hands and analyse the difference between > them and the Common Man. In SATVA Gates Lagna is > Gemini . In SAMVA Gates's Lagna is Cancer. Some > of the Industrialists horoscope appearing in the > EXPRESS STAR TELLER and the ASTROLIGICAL MAGAZINE > does not have any outstanding features .Rahu/Ketu > are in MEP afflicting all the houses. Some are > in Old age ,some are in Infancy.Some are > debilitated in Navamsa . Even in Bill Gates horo > also the same feature is found.He has mitigated > the Rahu/Ketu effect by charities . In the hand > analysis of Bill Gates his thin fingers > contributing to his intelligence is repeated at > many places. There are so many intelligent > people. Are they the wealthiest man ? > > One Cousin brother of mine flourished during MMF > Jupiter dasa in MEP of the 11th for Cancer Lagna > . (Birth details accurate) . I asked this to > Professor .No reply came from him. > > There are many tutors. They want the students > to listen only and not vice versa . No teacher > likes getting cornered . Vedic Astrology analyses > as per Natural malefic/benefic which gives lot > of room for manipulating and post martem > analysis. > > IS ASTROLOGY A HOAX? > > Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan > > > > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > >> Hi Percy, >> >> The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian Tsunami, and >> the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be seen in >> the proper context. In addition to having accurate >> charts, there needs to be careful monitoring and >> study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the >> charts of the countries/regions affected. I wouldn't >> go as far as saying that no one predicted such >> events not because it's out of your experience. >> >> As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was >> heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably >> difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove >> mountains of heavy karma. >> >> Keep studying and rifle through as many cases >> studies as you can. The knowledge and expertise will >> come by hard work and the blessings from Professor >> Choudhry. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> >> - >> Percymercy21 Labder >> >> Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM >> Re: Transits as on 16th >> November >> >> >> Dear Professor, >> >> When someone asked you about the real bad days, >> you said it was only the 16th November. But as it >> happened the events manifested before and after the >> 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the >> prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events as >> it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the >> methodolody we use in making predictions - namely, >> that whenever the affliction is exact, we should >> also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees >> either way (not necessarily limited to the precise >> date and that date only). If that is agreed, then >> the prediction should be that between 11th November >> - 21 November the events may occur. >> >> Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' trait >> to overide established principles (which otherwise >> should work) and bring out their sudden creativity >> totally unexpected and contrary to normal >> expectations. A case in point is the September 11 >> incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination of >> Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic astrologer >> predicted these events. >> >> No fault of anyone or any system, I think >> Professor must be applauded for creating a think >> tank that is constantly exploring new ways to find >> new answers to old problems. As it stands now, there >> is still a certain measure of credibility gap in >> astrological predictions on moments that mean a lot >> to us. >> >> Percy >> >> siha wrote: >> Hello Percy, >> >> In numerous predictions made on the list and >> SAMVA, I never added the line >> of prayers. This time it just came to my mind and >> I added it. The >> predictions were for the full week and not for the >> 16th November alone. Some >> list member asked when the impact may be more and >> then the dates 15th, 16th >> and 17 were focused. I believe that both the >> planetary afflictions and >> prayers both show their results. >> >> Under these planetary influences the earth also >> moved on 11th November, >> 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov in >> eastern India. >> >> Just for the quick reference the following >> prediction was made on the 8th >> November. >> >> Quote >> >> In Indian independence chart the planetary >> positions are going to be >> unfavorably poised in the next week and are >> indicative of some major >> accident, earthquake, group deaths, major >> controvercies, financial setback, >> etc. and specially >> around 16th November, 2006. >> >> Unquote >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> - >> " Percymercy21 Labder " >> <percymercy21 >> >> Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:10 PM >> Re: Transits as on 16th >> November >> >> > It seems that we are oversimplying matters here. >> I mean, for evil events >> > to be placed under a certain measure of control >> like by prayers, it would >> > require certain specific course of action >> carried out in unison by great >> > number of people, not perhaps a few. It hard to >> accept that a one line >> > statement that prayers prevented the disastrous >> events from fructifying. >> > >> > In the context of India, on other days when evil >> events did happen on a >> > disastrous scale as per astrological tendencies, >> we cannot say that >> > prayers were not done. India is a country where >> constant and daily prayers >> > are offered in thousands of temples and places >> of worship. But on those >> > days the planets seemed to have the upper hand >> and inflicted the full >> > power to cause sufferings and pain to thousands >> to people. >> > >> > The question to pose is - was the 16th November >> 2006 prediction made mild >> > solely due to the prayers or were we astrologers >> caught napping or did the >> > methodology/system fail us. >> > >> > Even in the case of individual charts we have >> seen how even prayers >> > failed to alleviate the sufferings. Somehow the >> individual had to go >> > through the difficult patch. But let us not >> fault the inefficacy or the >> > insufficiency of prayers on the part of these >> people who had spend time in >> > pray. Let us be fair to them. They had done >> their part. But somehow the >> > evil prevailed. >> > >> > Perhaps the answers to the these things are >> beyond us. Perhaps as some >> > will say it is our karma. Whatever it is, it >> leads us to back to the 16th >> > November 2006 poser - was it actually prayers >> that prevented a massive >> > disaster. >> > >> > I am not expecting a feedback to this mail. >> There is nothing much we can >> > say except to attribute much to faith and >> believe. >> > >> > Percy >> > >> > siha wrote: >> > Hello PercyMercy, >> > >> > Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It >> has faith and trust. So, >> > everybody is free for following trust or pure >> scientific method as per >> > one's >> > own choice. >> > >> > Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. >> > >> > When predictions are made for mundane events >> like the election of >> > President >> > of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was >> purely on the basis of >> > planetary influences and the planetary >> influences were discussed on the >> > list >> > for Mundane Events. >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > >> > >> > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Cheap talk? > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > http://voice. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, Till date, you are not learning SA properly. What is required, is the blessings of guru. You cannot achieve such by rudeness. I hope that you come around and take the necessary steps as this SA and are very rare finds in this age. With good wishes for your progress, Vyas Munidas - SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:51 AM Re: Transits as on 16th November Dear Mr Vyas, At the outset, Shri T.N Seshan,Former Election Commissioner of India had predicted Shri Rajiv Gandhis assasination. Astrology /Palmistry can be appreciated if and only if we analyse celebrities/Industrialists horoscope/hands and analyse the difference between them and the Common Man. In SATVA Gates Lagna is Gemini . In SAMVA Gates's Lagna is Cancer. Some of the Industrialists horoscope appearing in the EXPRESS STAR TELLER and the ASTROLIGICAL MAGAZINE does not have any outstanding features .Rahu/Ketu are in MEP afflicting all the houses. Some are in Old age ,some are in Infancy.Some are debilitated in Navamsa . Even in Bill Gates horo also the same feature is found.He has mitigated the Rahu/Ketu effect by charities . In the hand analysis of Bill Gates his thin fingers contributing to his intelligence is repeated at many places. There are so many intelligent people. Are they the wealthiest man ? One Cousin brother of mine flourished during MMF Jupiter dasa in MEP of the 11th for Cancer Lagna . (Birth details accurate) . I asked this to Professor .No reply came from him. There are many tutors. They want the students to listen only and not vice versa . No teacher likes getting cornered . Vedic Astrology analyses as per Natural malefic/benefic which gives lot of room for manipulating and post martem analysis. IS ASTROLOGY A HOAX? Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hi Percy, > > The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian Tsunami, and > the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be seen in > the proper context. In addition to having accurate > charts, there needs to be careful monitoring and > study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the > charts of the countries/regions affected. I wouldn't > go as far as saying that no one predicted such > events not because it's out of your experience. > > As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was > heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably > difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove > mountains of heavy karma. > > Keep studying and rifle through as many cases > studies as you can. The knowledge and expertise will > come by hard work and the blessings from Professor > Choudhry. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > Percymercy21 Labder > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM > Re: Transits as on 16th > November > > > Dear Professor, > > When someone asked you about the real bad days, > you said it was only the 16th November. But as it > happened the events manifested before and after the > 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the > prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events as > it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the > methodolody we use in making predictions - namely, > that whenever the affliction is exact, we should > also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees > either way (not necessarily limited to the precise > date and that date only). If that is agreed, then > the prediction should be that between 11th November > - 21 November the events may occur. > > Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' trait > to overide established principles (which otherwise > should work) and bring out their sudden creativity > totally unexpected and contrary to normal > expectations. A case in point is the September 11 > incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination of > Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic astrologer > predicted these events. > > No fault of anyone or any system, I think > Professor must be applauded for creating a think > tank that is constantly exploring new ways to find > new answers to old problems. As it stands now, there > is still a certain measure of credibility gap in > astrological predictions on moments that mean a lot > to us. > > Percy > > siha wrote: > Hello Percy, > > In numerous predictions made on the list and > SAMVA, I never added the line > of prayers. This time it just came to my mind and > I added it. The > predictions were for the full week and not for the > 16th November alone. Some > list member asked when the impact may be more and > then the dates 15th, 16th > and 17 were focused. I believe that both the > planetary afflictions and > prayers both show their results. > > Under these planetary influences the earth also > moved on 11th November, > 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov in > eastern India. > > Just for the quick reference the following > prediction was made on the 8th > November. > > Quote > > In Indian independence chart the planetary > positions are going to be > unfavorably poised in the next week and are > indicative of some major > accident, earthquake, group deaths, major > controvercies, financial setback, > etc. and specially > around 16th November, 2006. > > Unquote > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Percymercy21 Labder " > <percymercy21 > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:10 PM > Re: Transits as on 16th > November > > > It seems that we are oversimplying matters here. > I mean, for evil events > > to be placed under a certain measure of control > like by prayers, it would > > require certain specific course of action > carried out in unison by great > > number of people, not perhaps a few. It hard to > accept that a one line > > statement that prayers prevented the disastrous > events from fructifying. > > > > In the context of India, on other days when evil > events did happen on a > > disastrous scale as per astrological tendencies, > we cannot say that > > prayers were not done. India is a country where > constant and daily prayers > > are offered in thousands of temples and places > of worship. But on those > > days the planets seemed to have the upper hand > and inflicted the full > > power to cause sufferings and pain to thousands > to people. > > > > The question to pose is - was the 16th November > 2006 prediction made mild > > solely due to the prayers or were we astrologers > caught napping or did the > > methodology/system fail us. > > > > Even in the case of individual charts we have > seen how even prayers > > failed to alleviate the sufferings. Somehow the > individual had to go > > through the difficult patch. But let us not > fault the inefficacy or the > > insufficiency of prayers on the part of these > people who had spend time in > > pray. Let us be fair to them. They had done > their part. But somehow the > > evil prevailed. > > > > Perhaps the answers to the these things are > beyond us. Perhaps as some > > will say it is our karma. Whatever it is, it > leads us to back to the 16th > > November 2006 poser - was it actually prayers > that prevented a massive > > disaster. > > > > I am not expecting a feedback to this mail. > There is nothing much we can > > say except to attribute much to faith and > believe. > > > > Percy > > > > siha wrote: > > Hello PercyMercy, > > > > Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It > has faith and trust. So, > > everybody is free for following trust or pure > scientific method as per > > one's > > own choice. > > > > Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. > > > > When predictions are made for mundane events > like the election of > > President > > of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was > purely on the basis of > > planetary influences and the planetary > influences were discussed on the > > list > > for Mundane Events. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > === message truncated === ________ Cheap talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Hello Dear Percy and the List members, Hare Krishna. Following the Laws and Order of Nature, and thus keeping them in mind, it is quite understood the effects of the event as of November 16, 2006 as predicted particularly for India by Respected Professor under discussion was not manifested noticeably as expected which perhaps indicated lack of the proper/exact timing of errection of the mundane chart of India and not the SA system that which we learn and follow. Nevertheless all aspect and events forcasted by our Professor relating to the Taurus rising places (Countries) on this planet earth did, indeed, manifest elsewhere on that period as brought out by one of our senior member Shriman Jean Bianchi in his posting which proves the SA system is accurate without any doubt. Thank you very much. Best regards and wishes.................Amar Puri. > " Jean Bianchi " <jeanbianchi > > >Re: Transits as on 16th November >Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:23:59 -0500 > >Hello PercyMercy and list members, > >you're right the predictions were concerning India mainly and Taurus >ascendant countries. >Japan too is a Taurus ascendant country according to the rectified Japan >chart by Jorge Angelino. > >With kind regards, > >Jean > > > - > Percymercy21 Labder > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:39 PM > Re: Transits as on 16th November > > > But, Jean, this prediction was concerning India, not some far away >country. > > Jean Bianchi <jeanbianchi wrote: Dear Professor, >PercyMercy and list members, > > On Nov. 15th, there was a powerful undersea 8.1 earthquake north east of >Japan that prompted tsunami warnings as far away as Alaska. > > When I heard about that event in the news I thought immediately that it >might be linked with the transits mentioned. > By chance the waves that stroke the shores were only 4 feet high. But >for a number of hours, great fear spread all over that part of the world. > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15726732/ > > With kind regards, > > Jean Bianchi > > - > siha > > Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:07 PM > Re: Transits as on 16th November > > Hello PercyMercy, > > Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It has faith and trust. So, > everybody is free for following trust or pure scientific method as per >one's > own choice. > > Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. > > When predictions are made for mundane events like the election of >President > of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was purely on the basis of > planetary influences and the planetary influences were discussed on the >list > for Mundane Events. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " percymercy21 " <percymercy21 > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:47 AM > Transits as on 16th November > > > The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. > > But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally >get > > in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we > > had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional >nature > > on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back > > on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it > > humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Hello Dear Percy and the List Members, Hare Krishna. Mundane Astrology is based on mundane chart errected on speculative time by an Astrologer who reads the chart based on his/her competent knowledge. As we know timing is the essence. Thus, the competance of an Astrologer is also governed by Planets to which the Astrologer wish to read and interpret the events depicting in the mundane chart which is under influence of the Planetary system as well. So, planets control everything under the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Shri Krishna, as per Bhagvat-Gita. Time is the essence of everything. And Krishna says in the Bhagat Gita, " Time (Kaal) I am " . The Law and Order of Nature are working under the Time. Things does happen to sustain and maintain the Law and Order of Nature in this material world we live in. Why to happen, when to happen and where to happen are decided by the authority of Planets based on the time factor. Nothing major incidents happened in India as of November 16 according to you, nevertheless, there were disturbances/losses as pointed out by Respected Professor keeping in mind the speculative timing of errecting Indian chart to which you pointed out in your posting as normal every day affairs in India. To you, it is normal but for some one else it is disastraous. So, it is your own perception. Besides seeing the material benefit or disastraous situation through Astrology, there is also a Spiritual aspect which is very vital and its main reason why this Jyotish Vidya was introduced by Maharishi Brigu who is incarnation of Lord Shri Krishna in the Treta Yuga so that the people get relief from the material suffering through Prayes in order to eleviate oneself to the Spiritual platform of sat chit annand vighra. So, it is the power of the Prayers also help to minimise the effects of any miserable condition which is further proved by the example of Shri Prahlad Maharaja who was put through so much material sufferings by his own father but each time his prayer to the Supreme Lord Shri Krishna saved him. Without any further due, I beg to ask you, if there is any question, please feel free to write. Best wishes and regards ...........................Amar Puri. > " percymercy21 " <percymercy21 > > > Transits as on 16th November >Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:17:06 -0000 > >The transit as it happened on the 16th was supposed to be eathmoving. >But the events as listed by Prof. is the mundane stuff you normally get >in India in any time of the year. So nothing special. Except that we >had hoped that the planets will do its job as per its functional nature >on the day in querstion. But if it doesn't, we conveniently fall back >on the prayers of some saints who helped appease the planets. Isn't it >humbuggery or worse unscientific tp blow hot and cold. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Dear Sadasivan, I am interested in birth details of your cousin brother about whom you have mentioned below. It is for my study and if I am able to find suitable reasons for his flourshing during MMF Jupiter dasha, I shall post. Regards Sujit - SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:21 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November Dear Mr Vyas, At the outset, Shri T.N Seshan,Former Election Commissioner of India had predicted Shri Rajiv Gandhis assasination. Astrology /Palmistry can be appreciated if and only if we analyse celebrities/Industrialists horoscope/hands and analyse the difference between them and the Common Man. In SATVA Gates Lagna is Gemini . In SAMVA Gates's Lagna is Cancer. Some of the Industrialists horoscope appearing in the EXPRESS STAR TELLER and the ASTROLIGICAL MAGAZINE does not have any outstanding features .Rahu/Ketu are in MEP afflicting all the houses. Some are in Old age ,some are in Infancy.Some are debilitated in Navamsa . Even in Bill Gates horo also the same feature is found.He has mitigated the Rahu/Ketu effect by charities . In the hand analysis of Bill Gates his thin fingers contributing to his intelligence is repeated at many places. There are so many intelligent people. Are they the wealthiest man ? One Cousin brother of mine flourished during MMF Jupiter dasa in MEP of the 11th for Cancer Lagna . (Birth details accurate) . I asked this to Professor .No reply came from him. There are many tutors. They want the students to listen only and not vice versa . No teacher likes getting cornered . Vedic Astrology analyses as per Natural malefic/benefic which gives lot of room for manipulating and post martem analysis. IS ASTROLOGY A HOAX? Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hi Percy, > > The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian Tsunami, and > the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be seen in > the proper context. In addition to having accurate > charts, there needs to be careful monitoring and > study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the > charts of the countries/regions affected. I wouldn't > go as far as saying that no one predicted such > events not because it's out of your experience. > > As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was > heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably > difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove > mountains of heavy karma. > > Keep studying and rifle through as many cases > studies as you can. The knowledge and expertise will > come by hard work and the blessings from Professor > Choudhry. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > Percymercy21 Labder > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM > Re: Transits as on 16th > November > > > Dear Professor, > > When someone asked you about the real bad days, > you said it was only the 16th November. But as it > happened the events manifested before and after the > 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the > prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events as > it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the > methodolody we use in making predictions - namely, > that whenever the affliction is exact, we should > also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees > either way (not necessarily limited to the precise > date and that date only). If that is agreed, then > the prediction should be that between 11th November > - 21 November the events may occur. > > Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' trait > to overide established principles (which otherwise > should work) and bring out their sudden creativity > totally unexpected and contrary to normal > expectations. A case in point is the September 11 > incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination of > Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic astrologer > predicted these events. > > No fault of anyone or any system, I think > Professor must be applauded for creating a think > tank that is constantly exploring new ways to find > new answers to old problems. As it stands now, there > is still a certain measure of credibility gap in > astrological predictions on moments that mean a lot > to us. > > Percy > > siha wrote: > Hello Percy, > > In numerous predictions made on the list and > SAMVA, I never added the line > of prayers. This time it just came to my mind and > I added it. The > predictions were for the full week and not for the > 16th November alone. Some > list member asked when the impact may be more and > then the dates 15th, 16th > and 17 were focused. I believe that both the > planetary afflictions and > prayers both show their results. > > Under these planetary influences the earth also > moved on 11th November, > 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov in > eastern India. > > Just for the quick reference the following > prediction was made on the 8th > November. > > Quote > > In Indian independence chart the planetary > positions are going to be > unfavorably poised in the next week and are > indicative of some major > accident, earthquake, group deaths, major > controvercies, financial setback, > etc. and specially > around 16th November, 2006. > > Unquote > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Percymercy21 Labder " > <percymercy21 > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:10 PM > Re: Transits as on 16th > November > > > It seems that we are oversimplying matters here. > I mean, for evil events > > to be placed under a certain measure of control > like by prayers, it would > > require certain specific course of action > carried out in unison by great > > number of people, not perhaps a few. It hard to > accept that a one line > > statement that prayers prevented the disastrous > events from fructifying. > > > > In the context of India, on other days when evil > events did happen on a > > disastrous scale as per astrological tendencies, > we cannot say that > > prayers were not done. India is a country where > constant and daily prayers > > are offered in thousands of temples and places > of worship. But on those > > days the planets seemed to have the upper hand > and inflicted the full > > power to cause sufferings and pain to thousands > to people. > > > > The question to pose is - was the 16th November > 2006 prediction made mild > > solely due to the prayers or were we astrologers > caught napping or did the > > methodology/system fail us. > > > > Even in the case of individual charts we have > seen how even prayers > > failed to alleviate the sufferings. Somehow the > individual had to go > > through the difficult patch. But let us not > fault the inefficacy or the > > insufficiency of prayers on the part of these > people who had spend time in > > pray. Let us be fair to them. They had done > their part. But somehow the > > evil prevailed. > > > > Perhaps the answers to the these things are > beyond us. Perhaps as some > > will say it is our karma. Whatever it is, it > leads us to back to the 16th > > November 2006 poser - was it actually prayers > that prevented a massive > > disaster. > > > > I am not expecting a feedback to this mail. > There is nothing much we can > > say except to attribute much to faith and > believe. > > > > Percy > > > > siha wrote: > > Hello PercyMercy, > > > > Astrology as per scientists is unscientific. It > has faith and trust. So, > > everybody is free for following trust or pure > scientific method as per > > one's > > own choice. > > > > Whenever something bad is seen prayer is done. > > > > When predictions are made for mundane events > like the election of > > President > > of US, for example, no prayer was done. It was > purely on the basis of > > planetary influences and the planetary > influences were discussed on the > > list > > for Mundane Events. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > === message truncated === ________ Cheap talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Dear Vyas, Your reply does not befit an astrologers words. Anger is a sign of a weakling. You are getting angry (you may feel that not angry but sympathetic) at my mail only indicates that you feel you have mastered SA .I expected an answer from you as that you would be able to explain all the charts as per SA which I am finding in the EXPRESS STAR TELLER AND ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE. Instead of that you are again intersted in defending yourself. Dont tell me that you are not bound to answer my questions. You may send a reply in that fashion.I can very well anticipate that ..You may give a piece of advice to learn repeatedly.Perfect sign of a defender. Of late Mr Arun Rao is not participating in the discussions. He was a person who used to not only call a spade a spade but also will take pains to delve into details and give a satisfactory explanation. Cornering questions was appreciated by him . God's grace , may or may not be Gurus , will be there on him as he is one person who is patient, understanding and accept challenging questions for his development. If you are so confident about SA, why SATVA and SAMVA are having two diff Lagnas for Bill Gates .. You are not keen on answering questions Your reply in such fashions only indicate that you want to adopt short cuts in life. Wish you good luck SG --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > Till date, you are not learning SA properly. What is > required, is the blessings of guru. You cannot > achieve such by rudeness. > > I hope that you come around and take the necessary > steps as this SA and are very > rare finds in this age. > > > With good wishes for your progress, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:51 AM > Re: Transits as on 16th > November > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > At the outset, Shri T.N Seshan,Former Election > Commissioner of India had predicted Shri Rajiv > Gandhis assasination. > > Astrology /Palmistry can be appreciated if and > only if we analyse celebrities/Industrialists > horoscope/hands and analyse the difference between > them and the Common Man. In SATVA Gates Lagna is > Gemini . In SAMVA Gates's Lagna is Cancer. Some > of the Industrialists horoscope appearing in the > EXPRESS STAR TELLER and the ASTROLIGICAL MAGAZINE > does not have any outstanding features .Rahu/Ketu > are in MEP afflicting all the houses. Some are > in Old age ,some are in Infancy.Some are > debilitated in Navamsa . Even in Bill Gates horo > also the same feature is found.He has mitigated > the Rahu/Ketu effect by charities . In the hand > analysis of Bill Gates his thin fingers > contributing to his intelligence is repeated at > many places. There are so many intelligent > people. Are they the wealthiest man ? > > One Cousin brother of mine flourished during MMF > Jupiter dasa in MEP of the 11th for Cancer Lagna > . (Birth details accurate) . I asked this to > Professor .No reply came from him. > > There are many tutors. They want the students > to listen only and not vice versa . No teacher > likes getting cornered . Vedic Astrology analyses > as per Natural malefic/benefic which gives lot > of room for manipulating and post martem > analysis. > > IS ASTROLOGY A HOAX? > > Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > Hi Percy, > > > > The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian Tsunami, > and > > the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be > seen in > > the proper context. In addition to having > accurate > > charts, there needs to be careful monitoring and > > study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the > > charts of the countries/regions affected. I > wouldn't > > go as far as saying that no one predicted such > > events not because it's out of your experience. > > > > As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was > > heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably > > difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove > > mountains of heavy karma. > > > > Keep studying and rifle through as many cases > > studies as you can. The knowledge and expertise > will > > come by hard work and the blessings from > Professor > > Choudhry. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > Percymercy21 Labder > > > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM > > Re: Transits as on 16th > > November > > > > > > Dear Professor, > > > > When someone asked you about the real bad days, > > you said it was only the 16th November. But as > it > > happened the events manifested before and after > the > > 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the > > prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events > as > > it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the > > methodolody we use in making predictions - > namely, > > that whenever the affliction is exact, we should > > also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees > > either way (not necessarily limited to the > precise > > date and that date only). If that is agreed, > then > > the prediction should be that between 11th > November > > - 21 November the events may occur. > > > > Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' > trait > > to overide established principles (which > otherwise > > should work) and bring out their sudden > creativity > > totally unexpected and contrary to normal > > expectations. A case in point is the September > 11 > > incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination > of > > Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic > astrologer > > predicted these events. > > > > No fault of anyone or any system, I think > > Professor must be applauded for creating a think > > tank that is constantly exploring new ways to > find > > new answers to old problems. As it stands now, > there > > is still a certain measure of credibility gap in > > astrological predictions on moments that mean a > lot > > to us. > > > > Percy > > > > siha wrote: > > Hello Percy, > > > > In numerous predictions made on the list and > > SAMVA, I never added the line > > of prayers. This time it just came to my mind > and > > I added it. The > > predictions were for the full week and not for > the > > 16th November alone. Some > > list member asked when the impact may be more > and > > then the dates 15th, 16th > > and 17 were focused. I believe that both the > > planetary afflictions and > > prayers both show their results. > > > > Under these planetary influences the earth also > > moved on 11th November, > > 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov > in > > eastern India. > > > > Just for the quick reference the following > > prediction was made on the 8th > > November. > > > > Quote > > > > In Indian independence chart the planetary > > positions are going to be > > unfavorably poised in the next week and are > > indicative of some major > > accident, earthquake, group deaths, major > > controvercies, financial setback, > > etc. and specially > > around 16th November, 2006. > > > > Unquote > > > > Best wishes, > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 RESPECTED PROF SAAB, IN CASE I HAVE HURT YOU , I FEEL SORRY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART .I FEEL YOU CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND MY VIEW POINT. PLS DO NOT CURSE ME LIKE THIS ..WHAT HAVE I DONE. I HAVE ONLY EXPRESSED MY FEELINGS WHEN I GET CORNERED AND WHEN SOMETIMES I DO NOT GET ANY ANSWER. EVERY STAR TELLER AND ASTROLIGICAL MAGAZINE CHARTS , I TRY USING SA. SOMETIMES IT DOES NOT CLICK. ARE YOU EXPECTING ME TO KEEP QUIET AND NOT VENTILATE MY FELINGS TO THE PROPOUNDER OF SA? IF I KEEP QUIET, THEN I AM DECEIVING MY CONSCIENCE, MY LEARNING . AS BOSS IS ALWAYS RIGHT , I PREFER TO STOP THE MAIL NOW. SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN --- siha wrote: > > Hello Mr. Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan, > > I have given replies to your so many messages. I can > only say that you are > ungrateful person. > > > > > - > " SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN " > <sadasivan_g > > Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:21 PM > Re: Transits as on 16th November > > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > > > At the outset, Shri T.N Seshan,Former Election > > Commissioner of India had predicted Shri Rajiv > > Gandhis assasination. > > > > Astrology /Palmistry can be appreciated if > and > > only if we analyse celebrities/Industrialists > > horoscope/hands and analyse the difference > between > > them and the Common Man. In SATVA Gates Lagna > is > > Gemini . In SAMVA Gates's Lagna is Cancer. Some > > of the Industrialists horoscope appearing in > the > > EXPRESS STAR TELLER and the ASTROLIGICAL > MAGAZINE > > does not have any outstanding features > .Rahu/Ketu > > are in MEP afflicting all the houses. Some > are > > in Old age ,some are in Infancy.Some are > > debilitated in Navamsa . Even in Bill Gates horo > > also the same feature is found.He has > mitigated > > the Rahu/Ketu effect by charities . In the > hand > > analysis of Bill Gates his thin fingers > > contributing to his intelligence is repeated > at > > many places. There are so many intelligent > > people. Are they the wealthiest man ? > > > > One Cousin brother of mine flourished during > MMF > > Jupiter dasa in MEP of the 11th for Cancer > Lagna > > . (Birth details accurate) . I asked this to > > Professor .No reply came from him. > > > > There are many tutors. They want the > students > > to listen only and not vice versa . No > teacher > > likes getting cornered . Vedic Astrology > analyses > > as per Natural malefic/benefic which gives > lot > > of room for manipulating and post martem > > analysis. > > > > IS ASTROLOGY A HOAX? > > > > Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan > > > > > > > > > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > >> Hi Percy, > >> > >> The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian Tsunami, > and > >> the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be seen > in > >> the proper context. In addition to having > accurate > >> charts, there needs to be careful monitoring and > >> study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the > >> charts of the countries/regions affected. I > wouldn't > >> go as far as saying that no one predicted such > >> events not because it's out of your experience. > >> > >> As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was > >> heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably > >> difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove > >> mountains of heavy karma. > >> > >> Keep studying and rifle through as many cases > >> studies as you can. The knowledge and expertise > will > >> come by hard work and the blessings from > Professor > >> Choudhry. > >> > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Vyas Munidas > >> > >> > >> - > >> Percymercy21 Labder > >> > >> Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM > >> Re: Transits as on 16th > >> November > >> > >> > >> Dear Professor, > >> > >> When someone asked you about the real bad days, > >> you said it was only the 16th November. But as it > >> happened the events manifested before and after > the > >> 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the > >> prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events > as > >> it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the > >> methodolody we use in making predictions - > namely, > >> that whenever the affliction is exact, we should > >> also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees > >> either way (not necessarily limited to the > precise > >> date and that date only). If that is agreed, then > >> the prediction should be that between 11th > November > >> - 21 November the events may occur. > >> > >> Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' > trait > >> to overide established principles (which > otherwise > >> should work) and bring out their sudden > creativity > >> totally unexpected and contrary to normal > >> expectations. A case in point is the September 11 > >> incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination of > >> Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic > astrologer > >> predicted these events. > >> > >> No fault of anyone or any system, I think > >> Professor must be applauded for creating a think > >> tank that is constantly exploring new ways to > find > >> new answers to old problems. As it stands now, > there > >> is still a certain measure of credibility gap in > >> astrological predictions on moments that mean a > lot > >> to us. > >> > >> Percy > >> > >> siha wrote: > >> Hello Percy, > >> > >> In numerous predictions made on the list and > >> SAMVA, I never added the line > >> of prayers. This time it just came to my mind > and > >> I added it. The > >> predictions were for the full week and not for > the > >> 16th November alone. Some > >> list member asked when the impact may be more > and > >> then the dates 15th, 16th > >> and 17 were focused. I believe that both the > >> planetary afflictions and > >> prayers both show their results. > >> > >> Under these planetary influences the earth also > >> moved on 11th November, > >> 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov > in > >> eastern India. > >> > >> Just for the quick reference the following > >> prediction was made on the 8th > >> November. > >> > >> Quote > >> > >> In Indian independence chart the planetary > >> positions are going to be > >> unfavorably poised in the next week and are > >> indicative of some major > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Cheap talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Hi Mr Gopalkrishnan, My words are simple ones that leave little for interpretation when read as is.You obviously have read too deeply and put a special spin on them - they have indeed touched a nerve. Nevertheless, such was not my intention. Please read them again in the light of one man trying to help another without the play of the false ego. The axis is causing some problems for you right now from a natal and transit perspective. Tr Moon has caused problems through your H5 and natal Ju. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN Friday, November 24, 2006 9:30 AM Re: Transits as on 16th November Dear Vyas, Your reply does not befit an astrologers words. Anger is a sign of a weakling. You are getting angry (you may feel that not angry but sympathetic) at my mail only indicates that you feel you have mastered SA .I expected an answer from you as that you would be able to explain all the charts as per SA which I am finding in the EXPRESS STAR TELLER AND ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE. Instead of that you are again intersted in defending yourself. Dont tell me that you are not bound to answer my questions. You may send a reply in that fashion.I can very well anticipate that .You may give a piece of advice to learn repeatedly.Perfect sign of a defender. Of late Mr Arun Rao is not participating in the discussions. He was a person who used to not only call a spade a spade but also will take pains to delve into details and give a satisfactory explanation. Cornering questions was appreciated by him . God's grace , may or may not be Gurus , will be there on him as he is one person who is patient, understanding and accept challenging questions for his development. If you are so confident about SA, why SATVA and SAMVA are having two diff Lagnas for Bill Gates . You are not keen on answering questions Your reply in such fashions only indicate that you want to adopt short cuts in life. Wish you good luck SG --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > Till date, you are not learning SA properly. What is > required, is the blessings of guru. You cannot > achieve such by rudeness. > > I hope that you come around and take the necessary > steps as this SA and are very > rare finds in this age. > > > With good wishes for your progress, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:51 AM > Re: Transits as on 16th > November > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > At the outset, Shri T.N Seshan,Former Election > Commissioner of India had predicted Shri Rajiv > Gandhis assasination. > > Astrology /Palmistry can be appreciated if and > only if we analyse celebrities/Industrialists > horoscope/hands and analyse the difference between > them and the Common Man. In SATVA Gates Lagna is > Gemini . In SAMVA Gates's Lagna is Cancer. Some > of the Industrialists horoscope appearing in the > EXPRESS STAR TELLER and the ASTROLIGICAL MAGAZINE > does not have any outstanding features .Rahu/Ketu > are in MEP afflicting all the houses. Some are > in Old age ,some are in Infancy.Some are > debilitated in Navamsa . Even in Bill Gates horo > also the same feature is found.He has mitigated > the Rahu/Ketu effect by charities . In the hand > analysis of Bill Gates his thin fingers > contributing to his intelligence is repeated at > many places. There are so many intelligent > people. Are they the wealthiest man ? > > One Cousin brother of mine flourished during MMF > Jupiter dasa in MEP of the 11th for Cancer Lagna > . (Birth details accurate) . I asked this to > Professor .No reply came from him. > > There are many tutors. They want the students > to listen only and not vice versa . No teacher > likes getting cornered . Vedic Astrology analyses > as per Natural malefic/benefic which gives lot > of room for manipulating and post martem > analysis. > > IS ASTROLOGY A HOAX? > > Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > Hi Percy, > > > > The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian Tsunami, > and > > the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be > seen in > > the proper context. In addition to having > accurate > > charts, there needs to be careful monitoring and > > study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the > > charts of the countries/regions affected. I > wouldn't > > go as far as saying that no one predicted such > > events not because it's out of your experience. > > > > As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was > > heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably > > difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove > > mountains of heavy karma. > > > > Keep studying and rifle through as many cases > > studies as you can. The knowledge and expertise > will > > come by hard work and the blessings from > Professor > > Choudhry. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > Percymercy21 Labder > > > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM > > Re: Transits as on 16th > > November > > > > > > Dear Professor, > > > > When someone asked you about the real bad days, > > you said it was only the 16th November. But as > it > > happened the events manifested before and after > the > > 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the > > prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events > as > > it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the > > methodolody we use in making predictions - > namely, > > that whenever the affliction is exact, we should > > also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees > > either way (not necessarily limited to the > precise > > date and that date only). If that is agreed, > then > > the prediction should be that between 11th > November > > - 21 November the events may occur. > > > > Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' > trait > > to overide established principles (which > otherwise > > should work) and bring out their sudden > creativity > > totally unexpected and contrary to normal > > expectations. A case in point is the September > 11 > > incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination > of > > Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic > astrologer > > predicted these events. > > > > No fault of anyone or any system, I think > > Professor must be applauded for creating a think > > tank that is constantly exploring new ways to > find > > new answers to old problems. As it stands now, > there > > is still a certain measure of credibility gap in > > astrological predictions on moments that mean a > lot > > to us. > > > > Percy > > > > siha wrote: > > Hello Percy, > > > > In numerous predictions made on the list and > > SAMVA, I never added the line > > of prayers. This time it just came to my mind > and > > I added it. The > > predictions were for the full week and not for > the > > 16th November alone. Some > > list member asked when the impact may be more > and > > then the dates 15th, 16th > > and 17 were focused. I believe that both the > > planetary afflictions and > > prayers both show their results. > > > > Under these planetary influences the earth also > > moved on 11th November, > > 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov > in > > eastern India. > > > > Just for the quick reference the following > > prediction was made on the 8th > > November. > > > > Quote > > > > In Indian independence chart the planetary > > positions are going to be > > unfavorably poised in the next week and are > > indicative of some major > > accident, earthquake, group deaths, major > > controvercies, financial setback, > > etc. and specially > > around 16th November, 2006. > > > > Unquote > > > > Best wishes, > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Hello Mr. Gopalakrishnan, Those of the list members who live in India know pretty well that around 16th November, 2006, 10 Nos. Al Queda terrorists reported to enter the country and they planned to hyjack the planes and the security on all international airports was the maximum. The seeds are sown. The unfavorable planetary movements have caused problems which may have reprecussions for longer durations. Mr. Paulo does not stay in India and he can say that nothing happened. I reply as per availability of time. There are over sixty messages from you in my e mail box and most of these are replied. I do not have to prove SA to each and every person. Those who want to follow may follow and learn with patience. The tone of your letter regarding your not getting reply for one message is certainly objectionable and I do not appreciate the same. You must write your messages in lower case. I do not curse unnecessarily to anyone. And I have not cursed you. I have certainly told you what I feel about your behaviour. I have no time for the research efforts of individual members. This I have brought to the notice of members many times. Best wishes, - " SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN " <sadasivan_g Friday, November 24, 2006 8:19 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November > RESPECTED PROF SAAB, > > IN CASE I HAVE HURT YOU , I FEEL SORRY FROM THE > BOTTOM OF MY HEART .I FEEL YOU CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND > MY VIEW POINT. PLS DO NOT CURSE ME LIKE THIS > .WHAT HAVE I DONE. I HAVE ONLY EXPRESSED MY FEELINGS > WHEN I GET CORNERED AND WHEN SOMETIMES I DO NOT GET > ANY ANSWER. > > EVERY STAR TELLER AND ASTROLIGICAL MAGAZINE CHARTS > , I TRY USING SA. SOMETIMES IT DOES NOT CLICK. ARE > YOU EXPECTING ME TO KEEP QUIET AND NOT VENTILATE > MY FELINGS TO THE PROPOUNDER OF SA? > IF I KEEP QUIET, THEN I AM DECEIVING MY CONSCIENCE, > MY LEARNING . AS BOSS IS ALWAYS RIGHT , I PREFER > TO STOP THE MAIL NOW. > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > --- siha wrote: > >> >> Hello Mr. Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan, >> >> I have given replies to your so many messages. I can >> only say that you are >> ungrateful person. >> >> >> >> >> - >> " SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN " >> <sadasivan_g >> >> Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:21 PM >> Re: Transits as on 16th November >> >> >> > Dear Mr Vyas, >> > >> > At the outset, Shri T.N Seshan,Former Election >> > Commissioner of India had predicted Shri Rajiv >> > Gandhis assasination. >> > >> > Astrology /Palmistry can be appreciated if >> and >> > only if we analyse celebrities/Industrialists >> > horoscope/hands and analyse the difference >> between >> > them and the Common Man. In SATVA Gates Lagna >> is >> > Gemini . In SAMVA Gates's Lagna is Cancer. Some >> > of the Industrialists horoscope appearing in >> the >> > EXPRESS STAR TELLER and the ASTROLIGICAL >> MAGAZINE >> > does not have any outstanding features >> .Rahu/Ketu >> > are in MEP afflicting all the houses. Some >> are >> > in Old age ,some are in Infancy.Some are >> > debilitated in Navamsa . Even in Bill Gates horo >> > also the same feature is found.He has >> mitigated >> > the Rahu/Ketu effect by charities . In the >> hand >> > analysis of Bill Gates his thin fingers >> > contributing to his intelligence is repeated >> at >> > many places. There are so many intelligent >> > people. Are they the wealthiest man ? >> > >> > One Cousin brother of mine flourished during >> MMF >> > Jupiter dasa in MEP of the 11th for Cancer >> Lagna >> > . (Birth details accurate) . I asked this to >> > Professor .No reply came from him. >> > >> > There are many tutors. They want the >> students >> > to listen only and not vice versa . No >> teacher >> > likes getting cornered . Vedic Astrology >> analyses >> > as per Natural malefic/benefic which gives >> lot >> > of room for manipulating and post martem >> > analysis. >> > >> > IS ASTROLOGY A HOAX? >> > >> > Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Percy, >> >> >> >> The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian Tsunami, >> and >> >> the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be seen >> in >> >> the proper context. In addition to having >> accurate >> >> charts, there needs to be careful monitoring and >> >> study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the >> >> charts of the countries/regions affected. I >> wouldn't >> >> go as far as saying that no one predicted such >> >> events not because it's out of your experience. >> >> >> >> As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was >> >> heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably >> >> difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove >> >> mountains of heavy karma. >> >> >> >> Keep studying and rifle through as many cases >> >> studies as you can. The knowledge and expertise >> will >> >> come by hard work and the blessings from >> Professor >> >> Choudhry. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> >> Percymercy21 Labder >> >> >> >> Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM >> >> Re: Transits as on 16th >> >> November >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Professor, >> >> >> >> When someone asked you about the real bad days, >> >> you said it was only the 16th November. But as it >> >> happened the events manifested before and after >> the >> >> 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the >> >> prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events >> as >> >> it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the >> >> methodolody we use in making predictions - >> namely, >> >> that whenever the affliction is exact, we should >> >> also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees >> >> either way (not necessarily limited to the >> precise >> >> date and that date only). If that is agreed, then >> >> the prediction should be that between 11th >> November >> >> - 21 November the events may occur. >> >> >> >> Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' >> trait >> >> to overide established principles (which >> otherwise >> >> should work) and bring out their sudden >> creativity >> >> totally unexpected and contrary to normal >> >> expectations. A case in point is the September 11 >> >> incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination of >> >> Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic >> astrologer >> >> predicted these events. >> >> >> >> No fault of anyone or any system, I think >> >> Professor must be applauded for creating a think >> >> tank that is constantly exploring new ways to >> find >> >> new answers to old problems. As it stands now, >> there >> >> is still a certain measure of credibility gap in >> >> astrological predictions on moments that mean a >> lot >> >> to us. >> >> >> >> Percy >> >> >> >> siha wrote: >> >> Hello Percy, >> >> >> >> In numerous predictions made on the list and >> >> SAMVA, I never added the line >> >> of prayers. This time it just came to my mind >> and >> >> I added it. The >> >> predictions were for the full week and not for >> the >> >> 16th November alone. Some >> >> list member asked when the impact may be more >> and >> >> then the dates 15th, 16th >> >> and 17 were focused. I believe that both the >> >> planetary afflictions and >> >> prayers both show their results. >> >> >> >> Under these planetary influences the earth also >> >> moved on 11th November, >> >> 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov >> in >> >> eastern India. >> >> >> >> Just for the quick reference the following >> >> prediction was made on the 8th >> >> November. >> >> >> >> Quote >> >> >> >> In Indian independence chart the planetary >> >> positions are going to be >> >> unfavorably poised in the next week and are >> >> indicative of some major >> > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Cheap talk? > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > http://voice. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Not sure what the point of this post is - nor in particular why Mr. Arun Rao's name has been dropped into it seemingly from nowhere, in this reply. Referring to a third-party in their apparent absence is generally not called for. ======== - SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN Friday, November 24, 2006 2:30 PM Re: Transits as on 16th November Dear Vyas, Your reply does not befit an astrologers words. Anger is a sign of a weakling. You are getting angry (you may feel that not angry but sympathetic) at my mail only indicates that you feel you have mastered SA .I expected an answer from you as that you would be able to explain all the charts as per SA which I am finding in the EXPRESS STAR TELLER AND ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE. Instead of that you are again intersted in defending yourself. Dont tell me that you are not bound to answer my questions. You may send a reply in that fashion.I can very well anticipate that ..You may give a piece of advice to learn repeatedly.Perfect sign of a defender. Of late Mr Arun Rao is not participating in the discussions. He was a person who used to not only call a spade a spade but also will take pains to delve into details and give a satisfactory explanation. Cornering questions was appreciated by him . God's grace , may or may not be Gurus , will be there on him as he is one person who is patient, understanding and accept challenging questions for his development. If you are so confident about SA, why SATVA and SAMVA are having two diff Lagnas for Bill Gates .. You are not keen on answering questions Your reply in such fashions only indicate that you want to adopt short cuts in life. Wish you good luck SG --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > Till date, you are not learning SA properly. What is > required, is the blessings of guru. You cannot > achieve such by rudeness. > > I hope that you come around and take the necessary > steps as this SA and are very > rare finds in this age. > > > With good wishes for your progress, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:51 AM > Re: Transits as on 16th > November > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > At the outset, Shri T.N Seshan,Former Election > Commissioner of India had predicted Shri Rajiv > Gandhis assasination. > > Astrology /Palmistry can be appreciated if and > only if we analyse celebrities/Industrialists > horoscope/hands and analyse the difference between > them and the Common Man. In SATVA Gates Lagna is > Gemini . In SAMVA Gates's Lagna is Cancer. Some > of the Industrialists horoscope appearing in the > EXPRESS STAR TELLER and the ASTROLIGICAL MAGAZINE > does not have any outstanding features .Rahu/Ketu > are in MEP afflicting all the houses. Some are > in Old age ,some are in Infancy.Some are > debilitated in Navamsa . Even in Bill Gates horo > also the same feature is found.He has mitigated > the Rahu/Ketu effect by charities . In the hand > analysis of Bill Gates his thin fingers > contributing to his intelligence is repeated at > many places. There are so many intelligent > people. Are they the wealthiest man ? > > One Cousin brother of mine flourished during MMF > Jupiter dasa in MEP of the 11th for Cancer Lagna > . (Birth details accurate) . I asked this to > Professor .No reply came from him. > > There are many tutors. They want the students > to listen only and not vice versa . No teacher > likes getting cornered . Vedic Astrology analyses > as per Natural malefic/benefic which gives lot > of room for manipulating and post martem > analysis. > > IS ASTROLOGY A HOAX? > > Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > Hi Percy, > > > > The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian Tsunami, > and > > the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be > seen in > > the proper context. In addition to having > accurate > > charts, there needs to be careful monitoring and > > study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the > > charts of the countries/regions affected. I > wouldn't > > go as far as saying that no one predicted such > > events not because it's out of your experience. > > > > As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was > > heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably > > difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove > > mountains of heavy karma. > > > > Keep studying and rifle through as many cases > > studies as you can. The knowledge and expertise > will > > come by hard work and the blessings from > Professor > > Choudhry. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > Percymercy21 Labder > > > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM > > Re: Transits as on 16th > > November > > > > > > Dear Professor, > > > > When someone asked you about the real bad days, > > you said it was only the 16th November. But as > it > > happened the events manifested before and after > the > > 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the > > prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events > as > > it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the > > methodolody we use in making predictions - > namely, > > that whenever the affliction is exact, we should > > also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees > > either way (not necessarily limited to the > precise > > date and that date only). If that is agreed, > then > > the prediction should be that between 11th > November > > - 21 November the events may occur. > > > > Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' > trait > > to overide established principles (which > otherwise > > should work) and bring out their sudden > creativity > > totally unexpected and contrary to normal > > expectations. A case in point is the September > 11 > > incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination > of > > Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic > astrologer > > predicted these events. > > > > No fault of anyone or any system, I think > > Professor must be applauded for creating a think > > tank that is constantly exploring new ways to > find > > new answers to old problems. As it stands now, > there > > is still a certain measure of credibility gap in > > astrological predictions on moments that mean a > lot > > to us. > > > > Percy > > > > siha wrote: > > Hello Percy, > > > > In numerous predictions made on the list and > > SAMVA, I never added the line > > of prayers. This time it just came to my mind > and > > I added it. The > > predictions were for the full week and not for > the > > 16th November alone. Some > > list member asked when the impact may be more > and > > then the dates 15th, 16th > > and 17 were focused. I believe that both the > > planetary afflictions and > > prayers both show their results. > > > > Under these planetary influences the earth also > > moved on 11th November, > > 2006. 4.7 richtor scale earthquake on 11th Nov > in > > eastern India. > > > > Just for the quick reference the following > > prediction was made on the 8th > > November. > > > > Quote > > > > In Indian independence chart the planetary > > positions are going to be > > unfavorably poised in the next week and are > > indicative of some major > > accident, earthquake, group deaths, major > > controvercies, financial setback, > > etc. and specially > > around 16th November, 2006. > > > > Unquote > > > > Best wishes, > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Mr Sateesh, It is my personal opinion. I have sent so many mails to him and I have ARGUED with him on various aspects of SA reg AMITABH BACHAN ,GATES , AMBANI so on and so forth . Instead of loosing his cool , he understood my point , and came out with satisfactory explanation . Some of them he himself has confessed as possibilities . Never Mind. The confidence to analyse any horo UNDER THE SUN and reply to the queries of the querent with patience is the hall mark of a true authority on the subject.People respect only authorities.Run of the mill astrologers are plenty. I would rate him only one step below Prof because Prof is the propounder of SA. After all he has learnt SA from Prof. I am not interested in getting his goodwill . I do not know him personally. What I felt , I said. May be he himself may feel bad. I will apologise to him at that juncture. You may not worry on that count. Sadasivan Gopalakrishnan --- Sateesh Batas <makaras wrote: > Not sure what the point of this post is - nor in > particular why Mr. Arun Rao's name has been dropped > into it seemingly from nowhere, in this reply. > Referring to a third-party in their apparent absence > is generally not called for. > > ======== > > - > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > Friday, November 24, 2006 2:30 PM > Re: Transits as on 16th November > > > Dear Vyas, > > Your reply does not befit an astrologers words. > Anger is a sign of a weakling. You are getting > angry (you may feel that not angry but > sympathetic) at my mail only indicates that you > feel you have mastered SA .I expected an answer > from you as that you would be able to explain > all the charts as per SA which I am finding in > the EXPRESS STAR TELLER AND ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE. > Instead of that you are again intersted in > defending yourself. Dont tell me that you are > not bound to answer my questions. You may send a > reply in that fashion.I can very well anticipate > that > .You may give a piece of advice to learn > repeatedly.Perfect sign of a defender. > > Of late Mr Arun Rao is not participating in the > discussions. He was a person who used to not > only call a spade a spade but also will take > pains to delve into details and give a > satisfactory explanation. Cornering questions was > appreciated by him . God's grace , may or may not > be Gurus , will be there on him as he is one > person who is patient, understanding and accept > challenging questions for his development. > > If you are so confident about SA, why SATVA and > SAMVA are having two diff Lagnas for Bill Gates > . You are not keen on answering questions Your > reply in such fashions only indicate that you > want to adopt short cuts in life. Wish you good > luck > > SG > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > > > Till date, you are not learning SA properly. What > is > > required, is the blessings of guru. You cannot > > achieve such by rudeness. > > > > I hope that you come around and take the necessary > > steps as this SA and are very > > rare finds in this age. > > > > > > With good wishes for your progress, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > - > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > > Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:51 AM > > Re: Transits as on 16th > > November > > > > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > > > At the outset, Shri T.N Seshan,Former Election > > Commissioner of India had predicted Shri Rajiv > > Gandhis assasination. > > > > Astrology /Palmistry can be appreciated if and > > only if we analyse celebrities/Industrialists > > horoscope/hands and analyse the difference between > > them and the Common Man. In SATVA Gates Lagna is > > Gemini . In SAMVA Gates's Lagna is Cancer. Some > > of the Industrialists horoscope appearing in the > > EXPRESS STAR TELLER and the ASTROLIGICAL MAGAZINE > > does not have any outstanding features .Rahu/Ketu > > are in MEP afflicting all the houses. Some are > > in Old age ,some are in Infancy.Some are > > debilitated in Navamsa . Even in Bill Gates horo > > also the same feature is found.He has mitigated > > the Rahu/Ketu effect by charities . In the hand > > analysis of Bill Gates his thin fingers > > contributing to his intelligence is repeated at > > many places. There are so many intelligent > > people. Are they the wealthiest man ? > > > > One Cousin brother of mine flourished during MMF > > Jupiter dasa in MEP of the 11th for Cancer Lagna > > . (Birth details accurate) . I asked this to > > Professor .No reply came from him. > > > > There are many tutors. They want the students > > to listen only and not vice versa . No teacher > > likes getting cornered . Vedic Astrology analyses > > as per Natural malefic/benefic which gives lot > > of room for manipulating and post martem > > analysis. > > > > IS ASTROLOGY A HOAX? > > > > Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan > > > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > > > Hi Percy, > > > > > > The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian Tsunami, > > and > > > the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be > > seen in > > > the proper context. In addition to having > > accurate > > > charts, there needs to be careful monitoring and > > > study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the > > > charts of the countries/regions affected. I > > wouldn't > > > go as far as saying that no one predicted such > > > events not because it's out of your experience. > > > > > > As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was > > > heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably > > > difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove > > > mountains of heavy karma. > > > > > > Keep studying and rifle through as many cases > > > studies as you can. The knowledge and expertise > > will > > > come by hard work and the blessings from > > Professor > > > Choudhry. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > - > > > Percymercy21 Labder > > > > > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM > > > Re: Transits as on 16th > > > November > > > > > > > > > Dear Professor, > > > > > > When someone asked you about the real bad days, > > > you said it was only the 16th November. But as > > it > > > happened the events manifested before and after > > the > > > 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning the > > > prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the events > > as > > > it happened tend to reveal another aspect of the > > > methodolody we use in making predictions - > > namely, > > > that whenever the affliction is exact, we should > > > also extend the dates that cover the 5 degrees > > > either way (not necessarily limited to the > > precise > > > date and that date only). If that is agreed, > > then > > > the prediction should be that between 11th > > November > > > - 21 November the events may occur. > > > > > > Planets do seem to act their 'mischievious' > > trait > > > to overide established principles (which > > otherwise > > > should work) and bring out their sudden > > creativity > > > totally unexpected and contrary to normal > > > expectations. A case in point is the September > > 11 > > > incident, Tsunami 26th Dec 2004, assassination > > of > > > Rajiv Ghandi. I mean no practising vedic > > astrologer > > > predicted these events. > > > > > > No fault of anyone or any system, I think > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Mr Vyas, Transit Moon will be there for only 2 1/4 days in every house. Transit Moons effect on the Natal Jupiter (which is strong in the MEP ) is not imp but the impact of Natal Moon (MMF) on Transit Jup is to be seen .I mean when they are close.Transit Jup is combust . Natal Rahu /ketu isin the MEP in the 6/12 houses spoiling all houses . TRansit Rahu/Ketu was afflicting on the house of 6-12 . It has entered 1-7 now . Transit Ketu are Transit Saturn are close only during Oct 2007 . Do not try to attribute my moods to planetary influence to prove your point. SG. --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hi Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > My words are simple ones that leave little for > interpretation when read as is.You obviously have > read too deeply and put a special spin on them - > they have indeed touched a nerve. Nevertheless, such > was not my intention. Please read them again in the > light of one man trying to help another without the > play of the false ego. > > The axis is causing some problems for you right now > from a natal and transit perspective. Tr Moon has > caused problems through your H5 and natal Ju. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > Friday, November 24, 2006 9:30 AM > Re: Transits as on 16th > November > > > Dear Vyas, > > Your reply does not befit an astrologers words. > Anger is a sign of a weakling. You are getting > angry (you may feel that not angry but > sympathetic) at my mail only indicates that you > feel you have mastered SA .I expected an answer > from you as that you would be able to explain > all the charts as per SA which I am finding in > the EXPRESS STAR TELLER AND ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE. > Instead of that you are again intersted in > defending yourself. Dont tell me that you are > not bound to answer my questions. You may send a > reply in that fashion.I can very well anticipate > that > .You may give a piece of advice to learn > repeatedly.Perfect sign of a defender. > > Of late Mr Arun Rao is not participating in the > discussions. He was a person who used to not > only call a spade a spade but also will take > pains to delve into details and give a > satisfactory explanation. Cornering questions was > appreciated by him . God's grace , may or may not > be Gurus , will be there on him as he is one > person who is patient, understanding and accept > challenging questions for his development. > > If you are so confident about SA, why SATVA and > SAMVA are having two diff Lagnas for Bill Gates > . You are not keen on answering questions Your > reply in such fashions only indicate that you > want to adopt short cuts in life. Wish you good > luck > > SG > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > > > Till date, you are not learning SA properly. > What is > > required, is the blessings of guru. You cannot > > achieve such by rudeness. > > > > I hope that you come around and take the > necessary > > steps as this SA and are very > > rare finds in this age. > > > > > > With good wishes for your progress, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > - > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > > Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:51 AM > > Re: Transits as on 16th > > November > > > > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > > > At the outset, Shri T.N Seshan,Former Election > > Commissioner of India had predicted Shri Rajiv > > Gandhis assasination. > > > > Astrology /Palmistry can be appreciated if and > > only if we analyse celebrities/Industrialists > > horoscope/hands and analyse the difference > between > > them and the Common Man. In SATVA Gates Lagna is > > Gemini . In SAMVA Gates's Lagna is Cancer. Some > > of the Industrialists horoscope appearing in the > > > EXPRESS STAR TELLER and the ASTROLIGICAL > MAGAZINE > > does not have any outstanding features > .Rahu/Ketu > > are in MEP afflicting all the houses. Some are > > in Old age ,some are in Infancy.Some are > > debilitated in Navamsa . Even in Bill Gates horo > > > also the same feature is found.He has mitigated > > the Rahu/Ketu effect by charities . In the hand > > analysis of Bill Gates his thin fingers > > contributing to his intelligence is repeated at > > many places. There are so many intelligent > > people. Are they the wealthiest man ? > > > > One Cousin brother of mine flourished during MMF > > Jupiter dasa in MEP of the 11th for Cancer Lagna > > . (Birth details accurate) . I asked this to > > Professor .No reply came from him. > > > > There are many tutors. They want the students > > to listen only and not vice versa . No teacher > > likes getting cornered . Vedic Astrology > analyses > > as per Natural malefic/benefic which gives lot > > of room for manipulating and post martem > > analysis. > > > > IS ASTROLOGY A HOAX? > > > > Sadasivan Gopalakrihnan > > > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > > > Hi Percy, > > > > > > The events you mention: 9-11, the Asian > Tsunami, > > and > > > the assassination of Rajiv Ghandi have to be > > seen in > > > the proper context. In addition to having > > accurate > > > charts, there needs to be careful monitoring > and > > > study. In the Tsunami case, one has to see the > > > charts of the countries/regions affected. I > > wouldn't > > > go as far as saying that no one predicted such > > > events not because it's out of your > experience. > > > > > > As a critical day, the 16th was key as it was > > > heaviest. The days surrounding were noteably > > > difficult. Prayers are helpful and do remove > > > mountains of heavy karma. > > > > > > Keep studying and rifle through as many cases > > > studies as you can. The knowledge and > expertise > > will > > > come by hard work and the blessings from > > Professor > > > Choudhry. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > - > > > Percymercy21 Labder > > > > > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:25 PM > > > Re: Transits as on 16th > > > November > > > > > > > > > Dear Professor, > > > > > > When someone asked you about the real bad > days, > > > you said it was only the 16th November. But as > > it > > > happened the events manifested before and > after > > the > > > 16th Novemeber. Hence the danger is pinning > the > > > prediction to a precise date. Doesn't the > events > > as > > > it happened tend to reveal another aspect of > the > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. 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