U.S.A. & G.W. BUSH, A REVEALING SYNASTRY CASE STUDY

[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge,

 

Please note that the systematic presentation of non-SA charts is no

longer allowed on SAMVA. I suggest, again, that another forum be

identified or established which is more suitable for the purpose of

presenting your non-SA analysis. You are free to inform of your new

list here and list members here would be free to join such a list in

order to follow also your analysis. Alternatively, you are free to

pursue SA analysis here. It is your choice and we would be happy

either way. Such a clear demarcation is in everybodies interest.

Importantly, and with all due respect for other approaches, it is

necessary to preserve SAMVA as a SA only list.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor (acting as list moderator)

 

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> Dear List Members,

>

> As we all know, USA has been in war since 9/11, almost nine months

after G.

> W. Bush started his Presidency on January 20, 2001.

>

> Why?

>

> To answer this question we need the rectified charts of U.S.A. and

G.W.

> Bush.

>

> As we are analysing conflicts, besides the D1 & D9 we will use also

the D6

> of both entities.

>

> U.S.A. birth data:

> TOB: 16:48:46

> DOB: July 2, 1776

> POB: Philadelphia, PA:USA

> D1 Lagna: 15:30 Scorpio

> D9: Scorpio rising

> D6: Capricorn rising

>

> G.W. Bush birth data:

> TOB: 7:25:55

> DOB: July 6, 1946

> POB: New Haven, CT:USA

> D1 Lagna: 13:59 Cancer

> D9: Scorpio rising

> D6: Sagittarius rising

>

> Let us compare both charts and see their interaction. How can we do

this? It

> is very easy...*we can think of each entity as a fixed transit to

the other

> entity*. So if we put in the U.S.A. chart the transit equivalent to

the DOB

> & TOB of G.W. Bush, we will see his permanent influence over the

> country...and if we put in the President's chart the transit

equivalent to

> the DOB & TOB of USA, we will see the permanent influence of the

country

> over the President.

>

> On September 11, 2001, U.S.A. was in Ve/Ra/Ma/Ra/Me.

>

> INFLUENCE OF G.W. BUSH OVER U.S.A.

>

> The President was born when the country was in Ju/Ra/Ra/Ke/Me.

>

> Transit Mars, L6, is exactly over MEP10, afflicting MEP1, MEP4, and

MEP5.

>

> Transit Rahu/Ketu axis is closely over Mars, L6.

>

> Transit Rahu closely afflicts Saturn, L4.

>

> Transit Ketu exactly afflicts transit Venus, L12.

>

> Transit Mercury, L11, is exactly over MEP9 & Rahu/Ketu axis.

>

> Transit Sun, L8 in D6, is exactly over the Sun.

>

> Transit Jupiter, L6 in D6, closely aspects natal Mars, L6, and is

exactly

> over transit Moon, L9, and natal Saturn, L4.

>

> Transit Saturn is exactly over natal Mercury and closely aspects

natal Moon.

>

>

> INFLUENCE OF U.S.A. OVER G.W. BUSH

>

> Transit Rahu/Ketu is over his lagna and his Mercury, L3, afflicting

all his

> odd houses.

>

> Transit Mercury, L3, is over his Saturn, L8.

>

> Transit Moon, L1, is also afflicted by his Saturn,L8.

>

> Transit Mars, L10, is over his Rahu/Ketu axis.

>

> Transit Venus, L4, is badly placed in H12 and afflicted by transit

Jupiter,

> L6.

>

> Transit Jupiter, L6 in D1 and L1 in D6, exacty afflicts MEP12, MEP4

and

> MEP8, from H12, and exactly aspects its MT house enhancing his area

of

> conflicts.

>

> Transit Sun, L2, is exactly over his Sun, enhancing his status.

>

>

> These are just some aspects that can help us to understand this

permanent

> state of war.

>

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge Angelino

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

I personally feel that everything has a limit

which should not be exceeded . Is any body

violating SA if one follows the entire

principles of SA like FBs/FMs,MEP,orbit of

influence,TTT principle,MT etc but

 

1) uses 5 level of dasa instead of 3 level

DASA/BHUKTI/SUB BHUKTI .3 levels anyway we have to

use .

 

2) uses divisonal chart and analyses dustana

lords in div charts . In the latest edition Prof

has mentioned that he has included Jorge's

recommendations . I am holding that book in my hand

right now .

 

I have been banned in SATVA 101 by Prof . I may

not have any right on SAMVA with such a

background. But still I personally feel that we

are targetting Jorge too much . That too for silly

reasons. Using 5 dasas instead of 3 . Analysing

Divisional charts than relying on natal plus TTT

..

 

As long as one is confining himself to the

broader principles of SA , I dont feel any

reason why you should get agitated . Do not forget

Jorge's contribution to SA . Dont forget the past

..

 

Sadasivan

 

 

 

 

--- cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

 

> Dear Jorge,

>

> Please note that the systematic presentation of

> non-SA charts is no

> longer allowed on SAMVA. I suggest, again, that

> another forum be

> identified or established which is more suitable for

> the purpose of

> presenting your non-SA analysis. You are free to

> inform of your new

> list here and list members here would be free to

> join such a list in

> order to follow also your analysis. Alternatively,

> you are free to

> pursue SA analysis here. It is your choice and we

> would be happy

> either way. Such a clear demarcation is in

> everybodies interest.

> Importantly, and with all due respect for other

> approaches, it is

> necessary to preserve SAMVA as a SA only list.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor (acting as list moderator)

>

> SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino "

> <jorge.angelino

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear List Members,

> >

> > As we all know, USA has been in war since 9/11,

> almost nine months

> after G.

> > W. Bush started his Presidency on January 20,

> 2001.

> >

> > Why?

> >

> > To answer this question we need the rectified

> charts of U.S.A. and

> G.W.

> > Bush.

> >

> > As we are analysing conflicts, besides the D1 & D9

> we will use also

> the D6

> > of both entities.

> >

> > U.S.A. birth data:

> > TOB: 16:48:46

> > DOB: July 2, 1776

> > POB: Philadelphia, PA:USA

> > D1 Lagna: 15:30 Scorpio

> > D9: Scorpio rising

> > D6: Capricorn rising

> >

> > G.W. Bush birth data:

> > TOB: 7:25:55

> > DOB: July 6, 1946

> > POB: New Haven, CT:USA

> > D1 Lagna: 13:59 Cancer

> > D9: Scorpio rising

> > D6: Sagittarius rising

> >

> > Let us compare both charts and see their

> interaction. How can we do

> this? It

> > is very easy...*we can think of each entity as a

> fixed transit to

> the other

> > entity*. So if we put in the U.S.A. chart the

> transit equivalent to

> the DOB

> > & TOB of G.W. Bush, we will see his permanent

> influence over the

> > country...and if we put in the President's chart

> the transit

> equivalent to

> > the DOB & TOB of USA, we will see the permanent

> influence of the

> country

> > over the President.

> >

> > On September 11, 2001, U.S.A. was in

> Ve/Ra/Ma/Ra/Me.

> >

> > INFLUENCE OF G.W. BUSH OVER U.S.A.

> >

> > The President was born when the country was in

> Ju/Ra/Ra/Ke/Me.

> >

> > Transit Mars, L6, is exactly over MEP10,

> afflicting MEP1, MEP4, and

> MEP5.

> >

> > Transit Rahu/Ketu axis is closely over Mars, L6.

> >

> > Transit Rahu closely afflicts Saturn, L4.

> >

> > Transit Ketu exactly afflicts transit Venus, L12.

> >

> > Transit Mercury, L11, is exactly over MEP9 &

> Rahu/Ketu axis.

> >

> > Transit Sun, L8 in D6, is exactly over the Sun.

> >

> > Transit Jupiter, L6 in D6, closely aspects natal

> Mars, L6, and is

> exactly

> > over transit Moon, L9, and natal Saturn, L4.

> >

> > Transit Saturn is exactly over natal Mercury and

> closely aspects

> natal Moon.

> >

> >

> > INFLUENCE OF U.S.A. OVER G.W. BUSH

> >

> > Transit Rahu/Ketu is over his lagna and his

> Mercury, L3, afflicting

> all his

> > odd houses.

> >

> > Transit Mercury, L3, is over his Saturn, L8.

> >

> > Transit Moon, L1, is also afflicted by his

> Saturn,L8.

> >

> > Transit Mars, L10, is over his Rahu/Ketu axis.

> >

> > Transit Venus, L4, is badly placed in H12 and

> afflicted by transit

> Jupiter,

> > L6.

> >

> > Transit Jupiter, L6 in D1 and L1 in D6, exacty

> afflicts MEP12, MEP4

> and

> > MEP8, from H12, and exactly aspects its MT house

> enhancing his area

> of

> > conflicts.

> >

> > Transit Sun, L2, is exactly over his Sun,

> enhancing his status.

> >

> >

> > These are just some aspects that can help us to

> understand this

> permanent

> > state of war.

> >

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Jorge Angelino

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Mr. Gopalakrishanan,

 

You have been banned from SATVA101 for use of inappropriate language and

arguments.

 

SA uses only two levels of periods - that are main and sub period.

 

Some suggestions of Mr. Angelino has been accepted on adding explanation to

SA principles and not to include other techniques in SA.

 

SA has clear cut principle for main and sub period, retrograde planets and

their aspects and divisional charts.

 

There is no energy for pointless discussions regarding applicability of SA.

The presentation made by Mr. Angelino is with you and other list members and

if any further info is required that can be obtained from him off-list if he

agrees to do so.

 

Those who want to continue to belong to the group have to follow the rules

of the group.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

 

-

" SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN " <sadasivan_g

<SAMVA >

Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:58 PM

Re: Re: U.S.A. & G.W. BUSH, A REVEALING SYNASTRY CASE STUDY

 

 

| Dear Thor,

|

| I personally feel that everything has a limit

| which should not be exceeded . Is any body

| violating SA if one follows the entire

| principles of SA like FBs/FMs,MEP,orbit of

| influence,TTT principle,MT etc but

|

| 1) uses 5 level of dasa instead of 3 level

| DASA/BHUKTI/SUB BHUKTI .3 levels anyway we have to

| use .

|

| 2) uses divisonal chart and analyses dustana

| lords in div charts . In the latest edition Prof

| has mentioned that he has included Jorge's

| recommendations . I am holding that book in my hand

| right now .

|

| I have been banned in SATVA 101 by Prof . I may

| not have any right on SAMVA with such a

| background. But still I personally feel that we

| are targetting Jorge too much . That too for silly

| reasons. Using 5 dasas instead of 3 . Analysing

| Divisional charts than relying on natal plus TTT

| .

|

| As long as one is confining himself to the

| broader principles of SA , I dont feel any

| reason why you should get agitated . Do not forget

| Jorge's contribution to SA . Dont forget the past

| .

|

| Sadasivan

|

|

|

|

| --- cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

|

| > Dear Jorge,

| >

| > Please note that the systematic presentation of

| > non-SA charts is no

| > longer allowed on SAMVA. I suggest, again, that

| > another forum be

| > identified or established which is more suitable for

| > the purpose of

| > presenting your non-SA analysis. You are free to

| > inform of your new

| > list here and list members here would be free to

| > join such a list in

| > order to follow also your analysis. Alternatively,

| > you are free to

| > pursue SA analysis here. It is your choice and we

| > would be happy

| > either way. Such a clear demarcation is in

| > everybodies interest.

| > Importantly, and with all due respect for other

| > approaches, it is

| > necessary to preserve SAMVA as a SA only list.

| >

| > Best wishes,

| >

| > Thor (acting as list moderator)

| >

| > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino "

| > <jorge.angelino

| > wrote:

| > >

| > > Dear List Members,

| > >

| > > As we all know, USA has been in war since 9/11,

| > almost nine months

| > after G.

| > > W. Bush started his Presidency on January 20,

| > 2001.

| > >

| > > Why?

| > >

| > > To answer this question we need the rectified

| > charts of U.S.A. and

| > G.W.

| > > Bush.

| > >

| > > As we are analysing conflicts, besides the D1 & D9

| > we will use also

| > the D6

| > > of both entities.

| > >

| > > U.S.A. birth data:

| > > TOB: 16:48:46

| > > DOB: July 2, 1776

| > > POB: Philadelphia, PA:USA

| > > D1 Lagna: 15:30 Scorpio

| > > D9: Scorpio rising

| > > D6: Capricorn rising

| > >

| > > G.W. Bush birth data:

| > > TOB: 7:25:55

| > > DOB: July 6, 1946

| > > POB: New Haven, CT:USA

| > > D1 Lagna: 13:59 Cancer

| > > D9: Scorpio rising

| > > D6: Sagittarius rising

| > >

| > > Let us compare both charts and see their

| > interaction. How can we do

| > this? It

| > > is very easy...*we can think of each entity as a

| > fixed transit to

| > the other

| > > entity*. So if we put in the U.S.A. chart the

| > transit equivalent to

| > the DOB

| > > & TOB of G.W. Bush, we will see his permanent

| > influence over the

| > > country...and if we put in the President's chart

| > the transit

| > equivalent to

| > > the DOB & TOB of USA, we will see the permanent

| > influence of the

| > country

| > > over the President.

| > >

| > > On September 11, 2001, U.S.A. was in

| > Ve/Ra/Ma/Ra/Me.

| > >

| > > INFLUENCE OF G.W. BUSH OVER U.S.A.

| > >

| > > The President was born when the country was in

| > Ju/Ra/Ra/Ke/Me.

| > >

| > > Transit Mars, L6, is exactly over MEP10,

| > afflicting MEP1, MEP4, and

| > MEP5.

| > >

| > > Transit Rahu/Ketu axis is closely over Mars, L6.

| > >

| > > Transit Rahu closely afflicts Saturn, L4.

| > >

| > > Transit Ketu exactly afflicts transit Venus, L12.

| > >

| > > Transit Mercury, L11, is exactly over MEP9 &

| > Rahu/Ketu axis.

| > >

| > > Transit Sun, L8 in D6, is exactly over the Sun.

| > >

| > > Transit Jupiter, L6 in D6, closely aspects natal

| > Mars, L6, and is

| > exactly

| > > over transit Moon, L9, and natal Saturn, L4.

| > >

| > > Transit Saturn is exactly over natal Mercury and

| > closely aspects

| > natal Moon.

| > >

| > >

| > > INFLUENCE OF U.S.A. OVER G.W. BUSH

| > >

| > > Transit Rahu/Ketu is over his lagna and his

| > Mercury, L3, afflicting

| > all his

| > > odd houses.

| > >

| > > Transit Mercury, L3, is over his Saturn, L8.

| > >

| > > Transit Moon, L1, is also afflicted by his

| > Saturn,L8.

| > >

| > > Transit Mars, L10, is over his Rahu/Ketu axis.

| > >

| > > Transit Venus, L4, is badly placed in H12 and

| > afflicted by transit

| > Jupiter,

| > > L6.

| > >

| > > Transit Jupiter, L6 in D1 and L1 in D6, exacty

| > afflicts MEP12, MEP4

| > and

| > > MEP8, from H12, and exactly aspects its MT house

| > enhancing his area

| > of

| > > conflicts.

| > >

| > > Transit Sun, L2, is exactly over his Sun,

| > enhancing his status.

| > >

| > >

| > > These are just some aspects that can help us to

| > understand this

| > permanent

| > > state of war.

| > >

| > >

| > > Best wishes,

| > >

| > > Jorge Angelino

| > >

| >

| >

| >

|

|

|

|

|

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[Guest guest]

Dear List Members,

 

As we all know, USA has been in war since 9/11, almost nine months after G.

W. Bush started his Presidency on January 20, 2001.

 

Why?

 

To answer this question we need the rectified charts of U.S.A. and G.W.

Bush.

 

As we are analysing conflicts, besides the D1 & D9 we will use also the D6

of both entities.

 

U.S.A. birth data:

TOB: 16:48:46

DOB: July 2, 1776

POB: Philadelphia, PA:USA

D1 Lagna: 15:30 Scorpio

D9: Scorpio rising

D6: Capricorn rising

 

G.W. Bush birth data:

TOB: 7:25:55

DOB: July 6, 1946

POB: New Haven, CT:USA

D1 Lagna: 13:59 Cancer

D9: Scorpio rising

D6: Sagittarius rising

 

Let us compare both charts and see their interaction. How can we do this? It

is very easy...*we can think of each entity as a fixed transit to the other

entity*. So if we put in the U.S.A. chart the transit equivalent to the DOB

& TOB of G.W. Bush, we will see his permanent influence over the

country...and if we put in the President's chart the transit equivalent to

the DOB & TOB of USA, we will see the permanent influence of the country

over the President.

 

On September 11, 2001, U.S.A. was in Ve/Ra/Ma/Ra/Me.

 

INFLUENCE OF G.W. BUSH OVER U.S.A.

 

The President was born when the country was in Ju/Ra/Ra/Ke/Me.

 

Transit Mars, L6, is exactly over MEP10, afflicting MEP1, MEP4, and MEP5.

 

Transit Rahu/Ketu axis is closely over Mars, L6.

 

Transit Rahu closely afflicts Saturn, L4.

 

Transit Ketu exactly afflicts transit Venus, L12.

 

Transit Mercury, L11, is exactly over MEP9 & Rahu/Ketu axis.

 

Transit Sun, L8 in D6, is exactly over the Sun.

 

Transit Jupiter, L6 in D6, closely aspects natal Mars, L6, and is exactly

over transit Moon, L9, and natal Saturn, L4.

 

Transit Saturn is exactly over natal Mercury and closely aspects natal Moon.

 

 

INFLUENCE OF U.S.A. OVER G.W. BUSH

 

Transit Rahu/Ketu is over his lagna and his Mercury, L3, afflicting all his

odd houses.

 

Transit Mercury, L3, is over his Saturn, L8.

 

Transit Moon, L1, is also afflicted by his Saturn,L8.

 

Transit Mars, L10, is over his Rahu/Ketu axis.

 

Transit Venus, L4, is badly placed in H12 and afflicted by transit Jupiter,

L6.

 

Transit Jupiter, L6 in D1 and L1 in D6, exacty afflicts MEP12, MEP4 and

MEP8, from H12, and exactly aspects its MT house enhancing his area of

conflicts.

 

Transit Sun, L2, is exactly over his Sun, enhancing his status.

 

 

These are just some aspects that can help us to understand this permanent

state of war.

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge Angelino