Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 dear sirs, sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a difficult state of mind. i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till now. i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering both of us. we are not disappointed but disheartened. we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. my birth details are as under born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi many regards, rajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] Dear Rajan,Your chart shows some difficulty in the area of children. Here are some astrological explanations for this:* The Moon's Marana Karaka Sthana is in the 8th house. When the Moon is Atmakaraka the charakarakas that are placed in the 8th from the moon will suffer. In your case four planets are there, amoung them is Mercury who is in parivartana with saturn - the chara putrakaraka and 5th Lord from Jupiter. This Saturn is placed in badhaksthana showing obstruction. In Vimshottari Saturn Mahadasa is running.* The Arudha of the 9th house from Lagna, as well as the Arudha of the 3rd house from Sun are badly placed from the Sun itself showing that there is some difficulty both physically and spiritually in having children.* Rahu in the 5th house doesn't help.I hope someone can elaborate on these points and offer a suitable remedy.Respectfully,Michal[ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] rajan.chand <rajan.chandsohamsa Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:50:28 AM can i ever father a child????? dear sirs, sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a difficult state of mind. i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till now. i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering both of us. we are not disappointed but disheartened. we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. my birth details are as under born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi many regards, rajan Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 om krishna guru. dear rajan , No problems in posting in so many forums ,as we hav no job other than seeing u ppls charts . Any way u r just married and enjoy ur life now and post this same question after 5 or 6 years . That time please avoid this 'word ever' and self pity messages .And bythat time by gods grace may be 1000s of internet astro --forums. regds sunil nair. om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "rajan.chand" <rajan.chand wrote:>> dear sirs,> > sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a > difficult state of mind.> > i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till now. > > > i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering > both of us.> > we are not disappointed but disheartened.> > > we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a > simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby.> > my birth details are as under> > > born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi> > > many regards,> > rajan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Namaste Sri RajanCan you also post the details of your wife, such that a wholesome analysis can be made.Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 4/24/07, rajan.chand <rajan.chand wrote: dear sirs, sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a difficult state of mind. i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till now. i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering both of us. we are not disappointed but disheartened. we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. my birth details are as under born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi many regards, rajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal, Sun conjoins Mars, Ketu, is aspected by Rahu, is in an inimical sign… it`s bad enough. Your point on Mercury is very right and I don`t think it`s not important, both curses stands and I leave as an option that my point on pitri shapa is completely wrong, but who if not the Sun you consider the progenitor? The 5th house is more than directly involved as it bears a curse (houses suffers curses also). The 5th house from Jupiter is important and this has been already pointed out by Amit. I just added chara karaka replacement to the picture. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote: > > [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > > Dear Tijana, > > Why do you count Sun as badly afflicted in this chart? Wouldn't you say that Mercury is far worse and therefore the curse is of uncle? > > In any case, whether it be Sun or Mercury that are cursed in this chart, how does that then equate to the lack of procreative ability? Sure, AS3 is in 12th from Surya, but what has this got to do with any curse? > > What I have learned is that the houses owned by malefics involved in the curse show the area of suffering. The 5th house or its Lord are not directly involved, so are you implying that the involvement of the 5th house from Jupiter is the problem here? > > Respectfully, > Michal > > [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > > > nix_nixen <nix_nixen > sohamsa > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:47:11 PM > Re: can i ever father a child????? > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rajan, > > The chart has a Pitri shapa in the 5th from Jupiter that involves > > badhakesha. Also there are few very significant chara karaka > > replacements from which PK and Pik are important. Jupiter (stira > > karka for children) is not weak even placed in badhak sthana, but > > Surya (stira karaka for father) is badly afflicted. This could > > indicate early death of father and considering the shapa and bad > > position of AS3 it shows that the karmic cause of the progeny problem > > is related to last rites to some of the ancestors from father`s side > > of family. > > Rajan, sorry for using terms that are maybe not clear to you, but > > it`s the way to exchange opinions with other members that will bring > > suitable remedy for you. > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " rajan.chand " <rajan.chand@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > dear sirs, > > > > > > sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a > > > difficult state of mind. > > > > > > i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till > > now. > > > > > > > > > i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering > > > both of us. > > > > > > we are not disappointed but disheartened. > > > > > > > > > we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a > > > simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. > > > > > > my birth details are as under > > > > > > > > > born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi > > > > > > > > > many regards, > > > > > > rajan > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text- align:right;} > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white-space:nowrap;} > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text- transform:uppercase;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin:2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text- align:right;padding-right:.5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration:none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font- size:100%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%;} > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] Dear Tijana,I'll try to address your points one at a time.Yes, Sun is progenitor. But 5th lord as well as Jupiter will have a large roll to play in determining the karma for children in a person's life. For example, if a person is with a partner who is barren then why should we see affliction to Sun? What I want to point out most of all is that just because we can point out shapas does not mean that we know how they are working. Is this not a fair comment? It is one thing to say there is pitri shapa in the chart and another thing entirely to demonstrate how this shapa is affecting a particular area of life, in this case children. If you know then please list out the details so that we can all benefit and learn, otherwise we can all point out curses all day not knowing what they mean.Yes, houses can be cursed also, but there is another step after this. I can show you charts of people with Rahu and Saturn sitting in the 5th house, and they have children. Likewise I can show charts with 5th house free from affliction and there are big problems with children. There is more to the process than two malefics aspecting.I also mentioned 5th house from Jupiter, did you miss my earlier post prior to Amit's?So what did you add with Charakaraka replacement? If the putrakaraka is taking the place of pitrikaraka then the natural putrakaraka Jupiter steps in. So what is happening to Jupiter?Respectfully,Michal[ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] nix_nixen <nix_nixensohamsa Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:43:12 AM Re: can i ever father a child????? Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal, Sun conjoins Mars, Ketu, is aspected by Rahu, is in an inimical sign… it`s bad enough. Your point on Mercury is very right and I don`t think it`s not important, both curses stands and I leave as an option that my point on pitri shapa is completely wrong, but who if not the Sun you consider the progenitor? The 5th house is more than directly involved as it bears a curse (houses suffers curses also). The 5th house from Jupiter is important and this has been already pointed out by Amit. I just added chara karaka replacement to the picture. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > > Dear Tijana, > > Why do you count Sun as badly afflicted in this chart? Wouldn't you say that Mercury is far worse and therefore the curse is of uncle? > > In any case, whether it be Sun or Mercury that are cursed in this chart, how does that then equate to the lack of procreative ability? Sure, AS3 is in 12th from Surya, but what has this got to do with any curse? > > What I have learned is that the houses owned by malefics involved in the curse show the area of suffering. The 5th house or its Lord are not directly involved, so are you implying that the involvement of the 5th house from Jupiter is the problem here? > > Respectfully, > Michal > > [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > > > nix_nixen <nix_nixen@. ..> > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:47:11 PM > Re: can i ever father a child????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rajan, > > The chart has a Pitri shapa in the 5th from Jupiter that involves > > badhakesha. Also there are few very significant chara karaka > > replacements from which PK and Pik are important. Jupiter (stira > > karka for children) is not weak even placed in badhak sthana, but > > Surya (stira karaka for father) is badly afflicted. This could > > indicate early death of father and considering the shapa and bad > > position of AS3 it shows that the karmic cause of the progeny problem > > is related to last rites to some of the ancestors from father`s side > > of family. > > Rajan, sorry for using terms that are maybe not clear to you, but > > it`s the way to exchange opinions with other members that will bring > > suitable remedy for you. > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "rajan.chand" <rajan.chand@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > dear sirs, > > > > > > sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a > > > difficult state of mind. > > > > > > i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till > > now. > > > > > > > > > i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering > > > both of us. > > > > > > we are not disappointed but disheartened. > > > > > > > > > we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a > > > simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. > > > > > > my birth details are as under > > > > > > > > > born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi > > > > > > > > > many regards, > > > > > > rajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family: Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family: Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- transform:uppercase ;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration: none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0; } > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120% ;} > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > http://mail. > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Jyotisha's If chart is right then Ve and Me are in kona to D7, but still Sani is not in kona and A3 and A9 are not badly placed from Surya. So person will have delay but not denial. There is curse of buddha in 5 from Jupiter which is bad for bringing children and Buddha is in fixed navamsa and influenced by four malefics - but there is no AK, LL or 8L so it will not hit one directly. Jupiter is in MKS from Rahu (deb in amsa) so definitely Rahu will damage children area in fifth bhava but its well placed from lord of fifth and gets aspect from benefic. Now its dasa of PK so there can be problems in this mahadasa but the situation is not fatal. Person should worship Parampara Guru and chant Parampara Mantra with Gayatri with Vam beeja. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa.com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] Dear Tijana, I'll try to address your points one at a time. Yes, Sun is progenitor. But 5th lord as well as Jupiter will have a large roll to play in determining the karma for children in a person's life. For example, if a person is with a partner who is barren then why should we see affliction to Sun? What I want to point out most of all is that just because we can point out shapas does not mean that we know how they are working. Is this not a fair comment? It is one thing to say there is pitri shapa in the chart and another thing entirely to demonstrate how this shapa is affecting a particular area of life, in this case children. If you know then please list out the details so that we can all benefit and learn, otherwise we can all point out curses all day not knowing what they mean. Yes, houses can be cursed also, but there is another step after this. I can show you charts of people with Rahu and Saturn sitting in the 5th house, and they have children. Likewise I can show charts with 5th house free from affliction and there are big problems with children. There is more to the process than two malefics aspecting. I also mentioned 5th house from Jupiter, did you miss my earlier post prior to Amit's? So what did you add with Charakaraka replacement? If the putrakaraka is taking the place of pitrikaraka then the natural putrakaraka Jupiter steps in. So what is happening to Jupiter? Respectfully, Michal [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] ----- Original Message ---- nix_nixen <nix_nixen > sohamsa Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:43:12 AM Re: can i ever father a child????? Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal, Sun conjoins Mars, Ketu, is aspected by Rahu, is in an inimical sign… it`s bad enough. Your point on Mercury is very right and I don`t think it`s not important, both curses stands and I leave as an option that my point on pitri shapa is completely wrong, but who if not the Sun you consider the progenitor? The 5th house is more than directly involved as it bears a curse (houses suffers curses also). The 5th house from Jupiter is important and this has been already pointed out by Amit. I just added chara karaka replacement to the picture. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > > Dear Tijana, > > Why do you count Sun as badly afflicted in this chart? Wouldn't you say that Mercury is far worse and therefore the curse is of uncle? > > In any case, whether it be Sun or Mercury that are cursed in this chart, how does that then equate to the lack of procreative ability? Sure, AS3 is in 12th from Surya, but what has this got to do with any curse? > > What I have learned is that the houses owned by malefics involved in the curse show the area of suffering. The 5th house or its Lord are not directly involved, so are you implying that the involvement of the 5th house from Jupiter is the problem here? > > Respectfully, > Michal > > [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > > > nix_nixen <nix_nixen@. ..> > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:47:11 PM > Re: can i ever father a child????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rajan, > > The chart has a Pitri shapa in the 5th from Jupiter that involves > > badhakesha. Also there are few very significant chara karaka > > replacements from which PK and Pik are important. Jupiter (stira > > karka for children) is not weak even placed in badhak sthana, but > > Surya (stira karaka for father) is badly afflicted. This could > > indicate early death of father and considering the shapa and bad > > position of AS3 it shows that the karmic cause of the progeny problem > > is related to last rites to some of the ancestors from father`s side > > of family. > > Rajan, sorry for using terms that are maybe not clear to you, but > > it`s the way to exchange opinions with other members that will bring > > suitable remedy for you. > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "rajan.chand" <rajan.chand@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > dear sirs, > > > > > > sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a > > > difficult state of mind. > > > > > > i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till > > now. > > > > > > > > > i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering > > > both of us. > > > > > > we are not disappointed but disheartened. > > > > > > > > > we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a > > > simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. > > > > > > my birth details are as under > > > > > > > > > born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi > > > > > > > > > many regards, > > > > > > rajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family: Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family: Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- transform:uppercase ;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration: none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0; } > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120% ;} > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > http://mail. > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Rafal,Mercury is in Gemini Navamsa.Why do you look at Jupiter's MKS placement from Rahu - is it because Rahu is in 5th house? Otherwise why look at Rahu and then take Guru's MKS from it?The only way I have seen this used effectively is from the Atmakaraka. In this case it is the Moon and MKS is in the 8th from there. This position is occupied by four planets as well as an exchange involving Putrakaraka Saturn who is conjoined significator Jupiter. This all occurs in the 5th from Naisargika putrakaraka Jupiter. Shani Dasa is currently running. What are your thoughts on this?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Rafal Gendarz <starsuponmesohamsa Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:10:44 PMRe: Re: can i ever father a child????? hare rama krsna Dear Jyotisha's If chart is right then Ve and Me are in kona to D7, but still Sani is not in kona and A3 and A9 are not badly placed from Surya. So person will have delay but not denial. There is curse of buddha in 5 from Jupiter which is bad for bringing children and Buddha is in fixed navamsa and influenced by four malefics - but there is no AK, LL or 8L so it will not hit one directly. Jupiter is in MKS from Rahu (deb in amsa) so definitely Rahu will damage children area in fifth bhava but its well placed from lord of fifth and gets aspect from benefic. Now its dasa of PK so there can be problems in this mahadasa but the situation is not fatal. Person should worship Parampara Guru and chant Parampara Mantra with Gayatri with Vam beeja. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa. com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] Dear Tijana, I'll try to address your points one at a time. Yes, Sun is progenitor. But 5th lord as well as Jupiter will have a large roll to play in determining the karma for children in a person's life. For example, if a person is with a partner who is barren then why should we see affliction to Sun? What I want to point out most of all is that just because we can point out shapas does not mean that we know how they are working. Is this not a fair comment? It is one thing to say there is pitri shapa in the chart and another thing entirely to demonstrate how this shapa is affecting a particular area of life, in this case children. If you know then please list out the details so that we can all benefit and learn, otherwise we can all point out curses all day not knowing what they mean. Yes, houses can be cursed also, but there is another step after this. I can show you charts of people with Rahu and Saturn sitting in the 5th house, and they have children. Likewise I can show charts with 5th house free from affliction and there are big problems with children. There is more to the process than two malefics aspecting. I also mentioned 5th house from Jupiter, did you miss my earlier post prior to Amit's? So what did you add with Charakaraka replacement? If the putrakaraka is taking the place of pitrikaraka then the natural putrakaraka Jupiter steps in. So what is happening to Jupiter? Respectfully, Michal [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] ----- Original Message ---- nix_nixen <nix_nixen > sohamsa@ .com Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:43:12 AM Re: can i ever father a child????? Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal, Sun conjoins Mars, Ketu, is aspected by Rahu, is in an inimical sign… it`s bad enough. Your point on Mercury is very right and I don`t think it`s not important, both curses stands and I leave as an option that my point on pitri shapa is completely wrong, but who if not the Sun you consider the progenitor? The 5th house is more than directly involved as it bears a curse (houses suffers curses also). The 5th house from Jupiter is important and this has been already pointed out by Amit. I just added chara karaka replacement to the picture. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > > Dear Tijana, > > Why do you count Sun as badly afflicted in this chart? Wouldn't you say that Mercury is far worse and therefore the curse is of uncle? > > In any case, whether it be Sun or Mercury that are cursed in this chart, how does that then equate to the lack of procreative ability? Sure, AS3 is in 12th from Surya, but what has this got to do with any curse? > > What I have learned is that the houses owned by malefics involved in the curse show the area of suffering. The 5th house or its Lord are not directly involved, so are you implying that the involvement of the 5th house from Jupiter is the problem here? > > Respectfully, > Michal > > [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > > > nix_nixen <nix_nixen@. ..> > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:47:11 PM > Re: can i ever father a child????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rajan, > > The chart has a Pitri shapa in the 5th from Jupiter that involves > > badhakesha. Also there are few very significant chara karaka > > replacements from which PK and Pik are important. Jupiter (stira > > karka for children) is not weak even placed in badhak sthana, but > > Surya (stira karaka for father) is badly afflicted. This could > > indicate early death of father and considering the shapa and bad > > position of AS3 it shows that the karmic cause of the progeny problem > > is related to last rites to some of the ancestors from father`s side > > of family. > > Rajan, sorry for using terms that are maybe not clear to you, but > > it`s the way to exchange opinions with other members that will bring > > suitable remedy for you. > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "rajan.chand" <rajan.chand@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > dear sirs, > > > > > > sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a > > > difficult state of mind. > > > > > > i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till > > now. > > > > > > > > > i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering > > > both of us. > > > > > > we are not disappointed but disheartened. > > > > > > > > > we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a > > > simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. > > > > > > my birth details are as under > > > > > > > > > born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi > > > > > > > > > many regards, > > > > > > rajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family: Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family: Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- transform:uppercase ;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration: none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0; } > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120% ;} > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > http://mail. > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Michal, #1 Yes, dual..so its not so bad. #2 I see karakas from Rahu to see what will be afflicted. Third house is not for Jupiter, even beside MKS prinicple. #3 MKS from AK is not important here as nor 5L, nor PK, nor Ju is there. Its in fifth from Jupiter but its bringing of children, not the body. So the remedy for curse will correct this - Parampara. #4 Sani is PK so its bad as person is before the exchange of CK's (33/35). So the situation is not fatal and shows rather delay. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa.com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Rafal, Mercury is in Gemini Navamsa. Why do you look at Jupiter's MKS placement from Rahu - is it because Rahu is in 5th house? Otherwise why look at Rahu and then take Guru's MKS from it? The only way I have seen this used effectively is from the Atmakaraka. In this case it is the Moon and MKS is in the 8th from there. This position is occupied by four planets as well as an exchange involving Putrakaraka Saturn who is conjoined significator Jupiter. This all occurs in the 5th from Naisargika putrakaraka Jupiter. Shani Dasa is currently running. What are your thoughts on this? Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> sohamsa Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:10:44 PM Re: Re: can i ever father a child????? hare rama krsna Dear Jyotisha's If chart is right then Ve and Me are in kona to D7, but still Sani is not in kona and A3 and A9 are not badly placed from Surya. So person will have delay but not denial. There is curse of buddha in 5 from Jupiter which is bad for bringing children and Buddha is in fixed navamsa and influenced by four malefics - but there is no AK, LL or 8L so it will not hit one directly. Jupiter is in MKS from Rahu (deb in amsa) so definitely Rahu will damage children area in fifth bhava but its well placed from lord of fifth and gets aspect from benefic. Now its dasa of PK so there can be problems in this mahadasa but the situation is not fatal. Person should worship Parampara Guru and chant Parampara Mantra with Gayatri with Vam beeja. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa. com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] Dear Tijana, I'll try to address your points one at a time. Yes, Sun is progenitor. But 5th lord as well as Jupiter will have a large roll to play in determining the karma for children in a person's life. For example, if a person is with a partner who is barren then why should we see affliction to Sun? What I want to point out most of all is that just because we can point out shapas does not mean that we know how they are working. Is this not a fair comment? It is one thing to say there is pitri shapa in the chart and another thing entirely to demonstrate how this shapa is affecting a particular area of life, in this case children. If you know then please list out the details so that we can all benefit and learn, otherwise we can all point out curses all day not knowing what they mean. Yes, houses can be cursed also, but there is another step after this. I can show you charts of people with Rahu and Saturn sitting in the 5th house, and they have children. Likewise I can show charts with 5th house free from affliction and there are big problems with children. There is more to the process than two malefics aspecting. I also mentioned 5th house from Jupiter, did you miss my earlier post prior to Amit's? So what did you add with Charakaraka replacement? If the putrakaraka is taking the place of pitrikaraka then the natural putrakaraka Jupiter steps in. So what is happening to Jupiter? Respectfully, Michal [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] ----- Original Message ---- nix_nixen <nix_nixen > sohamsa@ .com Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:43:12 AM Re: can i ever father a child????? Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal, Sun conjoins Mars, Ketu, is aspected by Rahu, is in an inimical sign… it`s bad enough. Your point on Mercury is very right and I don`t think it`s not important, both curses stands and I leave as an option that my point on pitri shapa is completely wrong, but who if not the Sun you consider the progenitor? The 5th house is more than directly involved as it bears a curse (houses suffers curses also). The 5th house from Jupiter is important and this has been already pointed out by Amit. I just added chara karaka replacement to the picture. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > > Dear Tijana, > > Why do you count Sun as badly afflicted in this chart? Wouldn't you say that Mercury is far worse and therefore the curse is of uncle? > > In any case, whether it be Sun or Mercury that are cursed in this chart, how does that then equate to the lack of procreative ability? Sure, AS3 is in 12th from Surya, but what has this got to do with any curse? > > What I have learned is that the houses owned by malefics involved in the curse show the area of suffering. The 5th house or its Lord are not directly involved, so are you implying that the involvement of the 5th house from Jupiter is the problem here? > > Respectfully, > Michal > > [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > > > nix_nixen <nix_nixen@. ..> > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:47:11 PM > Re: can i ever father a child????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rajan, > > The chart has a Pitri shapa in the 5th from Jupiter that involves > > badhakesha. Also there are few very significant chara karaka > > replacements from which PK and Pik are important. Jupiter (stira > > karka for children) is not weak even placed in badhak sthana, but > > Surya (stira karaka for father) is badly afflicted. This could > > indicate early death of father and considering the shapa and bad > > position of AS3 it shows that the karmic cause of the progeny problem > > is related to last rites to some of the ancestors from father`s side > > of family. > > Rajan, sorry for using terms that are maybe not clear to you, but > > it`s the way to exchange opinions with other members that will bring > > suitable remedy for you. > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "rajan.chand" <rajan.chand@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > dear sirs, > > > > > > sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a > > > difficult state of mind. > > > > > > i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till > > now. > > > > > > > > > i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering > > > both of us. > > > > > > we are not disappointed but disheartened. > > > > > > > > > we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a > > > simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. > > > > > > my birth details are as under > > > > > > > > > born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi > > > > > > > > > many regards, > > > > > > rajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family: Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family: Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- transform:uppercase ;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration: none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0; } > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120% ;} > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > http://mail. > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Rafal,Concerning you point #3 - Is Putrakaraka not involved there on account of the parivartana? Or have you missed this?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Rafal Gendarz <starsuponmesohamsa Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:30:36 PMRe: Re: can i ever father a child????? hare rama krsna Dear Michal, #1 Yes, dual..so its not so bad. #2 I see karakas from Rahu to see what will be afflicted. Third house is not for Jupiter, even beside MKS prinicple. #3 MKS from AK is not important here as nor 5L, nor PK, nor Ju is there. Its in fifth from Jupiter but its bringing of children, not the body. So the remedy for curse will correct this - Parampara. #4 Sani is PK so its bad as person is before the exchange of CK's (33/35). So the situation is not fatal and shows rather delay. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa. com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Rafal, Mercury is in Gemini Navamsa. Why do you look at Jupiter's MKS placement from Rahu - is it because Rahu is in 5th house? Otherwise why look at Rahu and then take Guru's MKS from it? The only way I have seen this used effectively is from the Atmakaraka. In this case it is the Moon and MKS is in the 8th from there. This position is occupied by four planets as well as an exchange involving Putrakaraka Saturn who is conjoined significator Jupiter. This all occurs in the 5th from Naisargika putrakaraka Jupiter. Shani Dasa is currently running. What are your thoughts on this? Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> sohamsa@ .com Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:10:44 PM Re: Re: can i ever father a child????? hare rama krsna Dear Jyotisha's If chart is right then Ve and Me are in kona to D7, but still Sani is not in kona and A3 and A9 are not badly placed from Surya. So person will have delay but not denial. There is curse of buddha in 5 from Jupiter which is bad for bringing children and Buddha is in fixed navamsa and influenced by four malefics - but there is no AK, LL or 8L so it will not hit one directly. Jupiter is in MKS from Rahu (deb in amsa) so definitely Rahu will damage children area in fifth bhava but its well placed from lord of fifth and gets aspect from benefic. Now its dasa of PK so there can be problems in this mahadasa but the situation is not fatal. Person should worship Parampara Guru and chant Parampara Mantra with Gayatri with Vam beeja. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa. com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] Dear Tijana, I'll try to address your points one at a time. Yes, Sun is progenitor. But 5th lord as well as Jupiter will have a large roll to play in determining the karma for children in a person's life. For example, if a person is with a partner who is barren then why should we see affliction to Sun? What I want to point out most of all is that just because we can point out shapas does not mean that we know how they are working. Is this not a fair comment? It is one thing to say there is pitri shapa in the chart and another thing entirely to demonstrate how this shapa is affecting a particular area of life, in this case children. If you know then please list out the details so that we can all benefit and learn, otherwise we can all point out curses all day not knowing what they mean. Yes, houses can be cursed also, but there is another step after this. I can show you charts of people with Rahu and Saturn sitting in the 5th house, and they have children. Likewise I can show charts with 5th house free from affliction and there are big problems with children. There is more to the process than two malefics aspecting. I also mentioned 5th house from Jupiter, did you miss my earlier post prior to Amit's? So what did you add with Charakaraka replacement? If the putrakaraka is taking the place of pitrikaraka then the natural putrakaraka Jupiter steps in. So what is happening to Jupiter? Respectfully, Michal [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] ----- Original Message ---- nix_nixen <nix_nixen > sohamsa@ .com Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:43:12 AM Re: can i ever father a child????? Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal, Sun conjoins Mars, Ketu, is aspected by Rahu, is in an inimical sign… it`s bad enough. Your point on Mercury is very right and I don`t think it`s not important, both curses stands and I leave as an option that my point on pitri shapa is completely wrong, but who if not the Sun you consider the progenitor? The 5th house is more than directly involved as it bears a curse (houses suffers curses also). The 5th house from Jupiter is important and this has been already pointed out by Amit. I just added chara karaka replacement to the picture. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > > Dear Tijana, > > Why do you count Sun as badly afflicted in this chart? Wouldn't you say that Mercury is far worse and therefore the curse is of uncle? > > In any case, whether it be Sun or Mercury that are cursed in this chart, how does that then equate to the lack of procreative ability? Sure, AS3 is in 12th from Surya, but what has this got to do with any curse? > > What I have learned is that the houses owned by malefics involved in the curse show the area of suffering. The 5th house or its Lord are not directly involved, so are you implying that the involvement of the 5th house from Jupiter is the problem here? > > Respectfully, > Michal > > [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > > > nix_nixen <nix_nixen@. ..> > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:47:11 PM > Re: can i ever father a child????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rajan, > > The chart has a Pitri shapa in the 5th from Jupiter that involves > > badhakesha. Also there are few very significant chara karaka > > replacements from which PK and Pik are important. Jupiter (stira > > karka for children) is not weak even placed in badhak sthana, but > > Surya (stira karaka for father) is badly afflicted. This could > > indicate early death of father and considering the shapa and bad > > position of AS3 it shows that the karmic cause of the progeny problem > > is related to last rites to some of the ancestors from father`s side > > of family. > > Rajan, sorry for using terms that are maybe not clear to you, but > > it`s the way to exchange opinions with other members that will bring > > suitable remedy for you. > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "rajan.chand" <rajan.chand@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > dear sirs, > > > > > > sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a > > > difficult state of mind. > > > > > > i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till > > now. > > > > > > > > > i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering > > > both of us. > > > > > > we are not disappointed but disheartened. > > > > > > > > > we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a > > > simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. > > > > > > my birth details are as under > > > > > > > > > born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi > > > > > > > > > many regards, > > > > > > rajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family: Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family: Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- transform:uppercase ;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration: none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0; } > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120% ;} > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > http://mail. > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Rafal, Namaskar Perfect analysis. Clear understanding. Treat the placement of the malefics FROM the karaka, i.e. Rahus placement from Jupiter, then you will know how the person will be affected by this Rahu in matters of having children. Rest is perfect. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Rafal Gendarz wrote: hare rama krsna Dear Jyotisha's If chart is right then Ve and Me are in kona to D7, but still Sani is not in kona and A3 and A9 are not badly placed from Surya. So person will have delay but not denial. There is curse of buddha in 5 from Jupiter which is bad for bringing children and Buddha is in fixed navamsa and influenced by four malefics - but there is no AK, LL or 8L so it will not hit one directly. Jupiter is in MKS from Rahu (deb in amsa) so definitely Rahu will damage children area in fifth bhava but its well placed from lord of fifth and gets aspect from benefic. Now its dasa of PK so there can be problems in this mahadasa but the situation is not fatal. Person should worship Parampara Guru and chant Parampara Mantra with Gayatri with Vam beeja. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa.com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] Dear Tijana, I'll try to address your points one at a time. Yes, Sun is progenitor. But 5th lord as well as Jupiter will have a large roll to play in determining the karma for children in a person's life. For example, if a person is with a partner who is barren then why should we see affliction to Sun? What I want to point out most of all is that just because we can point out shapas does not mean that we know how they are working. Is this not a fair comment? It is one thing to say there is pitri shapa in the chart and another thing entirely to demonstrate how this shapa is affecting a particular area of life, in this case children. If you know then please list out the details so that we can all benefit and learn, otherwise we can all point out curses all day not knowing what they mean. Yes, houses can be cursed also, but there is another step after this. I can show you charts of people with Rahu and Saturn sitting in the 5th house, and they have children. Likewise I can show charts with 5th house free from affliction and there are big problems with children. There is more to the process than two malefics aspecting. I also mentioned 5th house from Jupiter, did you miss my earlier post prior to Amit's? So what did you add with Charakaraka replacement? If the putrakaraka is taking the place of pitrikaraka then the natural putrakaraka Jupiter steps in. So what is happening to Jupiter? Respectfully, Michal [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] ----- Original Message ---- nix_nixen <nix_nixen > sohamsa Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:43:12 AM Re: can i ever father a child????? Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal, Sun conjoins Mars, Ketu, is aspected by Rahu, is in an inimical sign… it`s bad enough. Your point on Mercury is very right and I don`t think it`s not important, both curses stands and I leave as an option that my point on pitri shapa is completely wrong, but who if not the Sun you consider the progenitor? The 5th house is more than directly involved as it bears a curse (houses suffers curses also). The 5th house from Jupiter is important and this has been already pointed out by Amit. I just added chara karaka replacement to the picture. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > > Dear Tijana, > > Why do you count Sun as badly afflicted in this chart? Wouldn't you say that Mercury is far worse and therefore the curse is of uncle? > > In any case, whether it be Sun or Mercury that are cursed in this chart, how does that then equate to the lack of procreative ability? Sure, AS3 is in 12th from Surya, but what has this got to do with any curse? > > What I have learned is that the houses owned by malefics involved in the curse show the area of suffering. The 5th house or its Lord are not directly involved, so are you implying that the involvement of the 5th house from Jupiter is the problem here? > > Respectfully, > Michal > > [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > > > nix_nixen <nix_nixen@. ...> > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:47:11 PM > Re: can i ever father a child????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rajan, > > The chart has a Pitri shapa in the 5th from Jupiter that involves > > badhakesha. Also there are few very significant chara karaka > > replacements from which PK and Pik are important. Jupiter (stira > > karka for children) is not weak even placed in badhak sthana, but > > Surya (stira karaka for father) is badly afflicted. This could > > indicate early death of father and considering the shapa and bad > > position of AS3 it shows that the karmic cause of the progeny problem > > is related to last rites to some of the ancestors from father`s side > > of family. > > Rajan, sorry for using terms that are maybe not clear to you, but > > it`s the way to exchange opinions with other members that will bring > > suitable remedy for you. > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "rajan.chand" <rajan.chand@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > dear sirs, > > > > > > sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a > > > difficult state of mind. > > > > > > i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till > > now. > > > > > > > > > i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering > > > both of us. > > > > > > we are not disappointed but disheartened. > > > > > > > > > we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a > > > simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. > > > > > > my birth details are as under > > > > > > > > > born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi > > > > > > > > > many regards, > > > > > > rajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family: Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family: Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- transform:uppercase ;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration: none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0; } > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120% ;} > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > http://mail. > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Gurudev, Thank You. Im still attached to the previous method, but normally I use yoga/lordship from the karaka as You advised. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa.com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Visti Larsen napisał(a): हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Rafal, Namaskar Perfect analysis. Clear understanding. Treat the placement of the malefics FROM the karaka, i.e. Rahus placement from Jupiter, then you will know how the person will be affected by this Rahu in matters of having children. Rest is perfect. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. com Rafal Gendarz wrote: hare rama krsna Dear Jyotisha's If chart is right then Ve and Me are in kona to D7, but still Sani is not in kona and A3 and A9 are not badly placed from Surya. So person will have delay but not denial. There is curse of buddha in 5 from Jupiter which is bad for bringing children and Buddha is in fixed navamsa and influenced by four malefics - but there is no AK, LL or 8L so it will not hit one directly. Jupiter is in MKS from Rahu (deb in amsa) so definitely Rahu will damage children area in fifth bhava but its well placed from lord of fifth and gets aspect from benefic. Now its dasa of PK so there can be problems in this mahadasa but the situation is not fatal. Person should worship Parampara Guru and chant Parampara Mantra with Gayatri with Vam beeja. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa. com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] Dear Tijana, I'll try to address your points one at a time. Yes, Sun is progenitor. But 5th lord as well as Jupiter will have a large roll to play in determining the karma for children in a person's life. For example, if a person is with a partner who is barren then why should we see affliction to Sun? What I want to point out most of all is that just because we can point out shapas does not mean that we know how they are working. Is this not a fair comment? It is one thing to say there is pitri shapa in the chart and another thing entirely to demonstrate how this shapa is affecting a particular area of life, in this case children. If you know then please list out the details so that we can all benefit and learn, otherwise we can all point out curses all day not knowing what they mean. Yes, houses can be cursed also, but there is another step after this. I can show you charts of people with Rahu and Saturn sitting in the 5th house, and they have children. Likewise I can show charts with 5th house free from affliction and there are big problems with children. There is more to the process than two malefics aspecting. I also mentioned 5th house from Jupiter, did you miss my earlier post prior to Amit's? So what did you add with Charakaraka replacement? If the putrakaraka is taking the place of pitrikaraka then the natural putrakaraka Jupiter steps in. So what is happening to Jupiter? Respectfully, Michal [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] ----- Original Message ---- nix_nixen <nix_nixen > sohamsa@ .com Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:43:12 AM Re: can i ever father a child????? Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal, Sun conjoins Mars, Ketu, is aspected by Rahu, is in an inimical sign… it`s bad enough. Your point on Mercury is very right and I don`t think it`s not important, both curses stands and I leave as an option that my point on pitri shapa is completely wrong, but who if not the Sun you consider the progenitor? The 5th house is more than directly involved as it bears a curse (houses suffers curses also). The 5th house from Jupiter is important and this has been already pointed out by Amit. I just added chara karaka replacement to the picture. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa@ ..com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > > Dear Tijana, > > Why do you count Sun as badly afflicted in this chart? Wouldn't you say that Mercury is far worse and therefore the curse is of uncle? > > In any case, whether it be Sun or Mercury that are cursed in this chart, how does that then equate to the lack of procreative ability? Sure, AS3 is in 12th from Surya, but what has this got to do with any curse? > > What I have learned is that the houses owned by malefics involved in the curse show the area of suffering. The 5th house or its Lord are not directly involved, so are you implying that the involvement of the 5th house from Jupiter is the problem here? > > Respectfully, > Michal > > [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > > > nix_nixen <nix_nixen@. ...> > sohamsa@ ..com > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:47:11 PM > Re: can i ever father a child????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rajan, > > The chart has a Pitri shapa in the 5th from Jupiter that involves > > badhakesha. Also there are few very significant chara karaka > > replacements from which PK and Pik are important. Jupiter (stira > > karka for children) is not weak even placed in badhak sthana, but > > Surya (stira karaka for father) is badly afflicted. This could > > indicate early death of father and considering the shapa and bad > > position of AS3 it shows that the karmic cause of the progeny problem > > is related to last rites to some of the ancestors from father`s side > > of family. > > Rajan, sorry for using terms that are maybe not clear to you, but > > it`s the way to exchange opinions with other members that will bring > > suitable remedy for you. > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "rajan.chand" <rajan.chand@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > dear sirs, > > > > > > sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in a > > > difficult state of mind. > > > > > > i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till > > now. > > > > > > > > > i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really bothering > > > both of us. > > > > > > we are not disappointed but disheartened. > > > > > > > > > we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just a > > > simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. > > > > > > my birth details are as under > > > > > > > > > born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi > > > > > > > > > many regards, > > > > > > rajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family: Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family: Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- transform:uppercase ;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration: none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0; } > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120% ;} > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > http://mail. > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Satish,You may have a better chance of spotting something if you look at both horoscopes, but saying that looking at one is incorrect is - I'm sorry - incorrect.From the husband's chart there is all the information pertaining to the wife and vice versa. If the wife cannot have children (hypothetically) do you think we are going to get a different story in the husbands chart?From one person's chart we can see the mother, brother, father, sister, spouse, lineage... and what is happening to all of them.I don't know KP system so apologies for not contributing further.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]R Satish <rsatish1942sohamsa Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:24:35 PM Re: can i ever father a child????? Dear Visti,Rafal and friends, Since my astrologiacl knowledge is not adequate/miniscule to influence the vedic thinking,I have taken the KP approach to examine the childbirth issue. 1. We are examining only one horoscope instead of both partners,which is itself incorrect. The potentiality ha s to be judged from both partners' horoscope.We are now examining only one horoscope(father' s) 2. From KP angle, 5th Sublord is Jupiter connected to 5th amd 11th houses.So child birth is assured. 3. the DB is Saturn upto July 2013 and Mars upto March 08.Rahu also favours child birth.Venus anthara is from Nov07 to Jan 08.A girl child is a good possibility. 4. Since Saturn aspects both Lagna and Moon , few hiccups might have occured earlier. 5. In summary,good chances towads end on the year>since Mars,rahu is involved some medical intervention is possible. To repeat , both horoscopes need to be seen together to confirm the possibilities. Regards, Satish sohamsa@ .com, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ?????? > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > Perfect analysis. Clear understanding. Treat the placement of the > malefics FROM the karaka, i.e. Rahus placement from Jupiter, then you > will know how the person will be affected by this Rahu in matters of > having children. Rest is perfect. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru > Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti <visti@ ...> > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. com > <http://srigaruda. com> > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > Dear Jyotisha's > > > > If chart is right then Ve and Me are in kona to D7, but still Sani is > > not in kona and A3 and A9 are not badly placed from Surya. So person > > will have delay but not denial. There is curse of buddha in 5 from > > Jupiter which is bad for bringing children and Buddha is in fixed > > navamsa and influenced by four malefics - but there is no AK, LL or 8L > > so it will not hit one directly. Jupiter is in MKS from Rahu (deb in > > amsa) so definitely Rahu will damage children area in fifth bhava but > > its well placed from lord of fifth and gets aspect from benefic. Now > > its dasa of PK so there can be problems in this mahadasa but the > > situation is not fatal. Person should worship Parampara Guru and chant > > Parampara Mantra with Gayatri with Vam beeja. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Guru > > www.rohinaa. com > > (+48) 503 44 18 18 > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisa?(a): > > > >> [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > >> > >> Dear Tijana, > >> > >> I'll try to address your points one at a time. > >> > >> Yes, Sun is progenitor. But 5th lord as well as Jupiter will have a > >> large roll to play in determining the karma for children in a > >> person's life. For example, if a person is with a partner who is > >> barren then why should we see affliction to Sun? > >> What I want to point out most of all is that just because we can > >> point out shapas does not mean that we know how they are working. Is > >> this not a fair comment? It is one thing to say there is pitri shapa > >> in the chart and another thing entirely to demonstrate how this shapa > >> is affecting a particular area of life, in this case children. If > >> you know then please list out the details so that we can all benefit > >> and learn, otherwise we can all point out curses all day not knowing > >> what they mean. > >> > >> Yes, houses can be cursed also, but there is another step after > >> this. I can show you charts of people with Rahu and Saturn sitting > >> in the 5th house, and they have children. Likewise I can show charts > >> with 5th house free from affliction and there are big problems with > >> children. There is more to the process than two malefics aspecting. > >> > >> I also mentioned 5th house from Jupiter, did you miss my earlier post > >> prior to Amit's? > >> > >> So what did you add with Charakaraka replacement? If the putrakaraka > >> is taking the place of pitrikaraka then the natural putrakaraka > >> Jupiter steps in. So what is happening to Jupiter? > >> > >> Respectfully, > >> Michal > >> > >> [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > >> > >> > >> nix_nixen <nix_nixen@. ..> > >> sohamsa@ .com > >> Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:43:12 AM > >> Re: can i ever father a child????? > >> > >> Om Gurave Namah > >> Dear Michal, > >> Sun conjoins Mars, Ketu, is aspected by Rahu, is in an inimical sign… > >> it`s bad enough. Your point on Mercury is very right and I don`t > >> think it`s not important, both curses stands and I leave as an option > >> that my point on pitri shapa is completely wrong, but who if not the > >> Sun you consider the progenitor? The 5th house is more than directly > >> involved as it bears a curse (houses suffers curses also). The 5th > >> house from Jupiter is important and this has been already pointed out > >> by Amit. I just added chara karaka replacement to the picture. > >> Warm regards, > >> Tijana > >> > >> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > >> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > >> > > >> > Dear Tijana, > >> > > >> > Why do you count Sun as badly afflicted in this chart? Wouldn't > >> you say that Mercury is far worse and therefore the curse is of uncle? > >> > > >> > In any case, whether it be Sun or Mercury that are cursed in this > >> chart, how does that then equate to the lack of procreative ability? > >> Sure, AS3 is in 12th from Surya, but what has this got to do with any > >> curse? > >> > > >> > What I have learned is that the houses owned by malefics involved > >> in the curse show the area of suffering. The 5th house or its Lord > >> are not directly involved, so are you implying that the involvement > >> of the 5th house from Jupiter is the problem here? > >> > > >> > Respectfully, > >> > Michal > >> > > >> > [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > >> > > >> > > >> > nix_nixen <nix_nixen@ ..> > >> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > >> > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:47:11 PM > >> > Re: can i ever father a child????? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Om Gurave Namah > >> > > >> > Dear Rajan, > >> > > >> > The chart has a Pitri shapa in the 5th from Jupiter that involves > >> > > >> > badhakesha. Also there are few very significant chara karaka > >> > > >> > replacements from which PK and Pik are important. Jupiter (stira > >> > > >> > karka for children) is not weak even placed in badhak sthana, but > >> > > >> > Surya (stira karaka for father) is badly afflicted. This could > >> > > >> > indicate early death of father and considering the shapa and bad > >> > > >> > position of AS3 it shows that the karmic cause of the progeny > >> problem > >> > > >> > is related to last rites to some of the ancestors from father`s > >> side > >> > > >> > of family. > >> > > >> > Rajan, sorry for using terms that are maybe not clear to you, but > >> > > >> > it`s the way to exchange opinions with other members that will > >> bring > >> > > >> > suitable remedy for you. > >> > > >> > Warm regards, > >> > > >> > Tijana > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > sohamsa@ .com, "rajan.chand" <rajan.chand@ ...> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > dear sirs, > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i am in > >> a > >> > > >> > > difficult state of mind. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless till > >> > > >> > now. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really > >> bothering > >> > > >> > > both of us. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > we are not disappointed but disheartened. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we require just > >> a > >> > > >> > > simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for a baby. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > my birth details are as under > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > many regards, > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > rajan > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > <!-- > >> > > >> > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, > >> sans-serif;} > >> > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > >> > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, > >> clean, sans-serif;} > >> > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > >> > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > >> > #ygrp-text{ > >> > font-family: Georgia; > >> > } > >> > #ygrp-text p{ > >> > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > >> > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > >> > font-family: Arial; > >> > clear:both;} > >> > #ygrp-vitnav{ > >> > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > >> > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > >> > padding:0 1px;} > >> > #ygrp-actbar{ > >> > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- > >> align:right; } > >> > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > >> > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > >> > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > >> > #ygrp-grft{ > >> > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > >> > #ygrp-ft{ > >> > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > >> > padding:5px 0; > >> > } > >> > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > >> > padding-bottom: 10px;} > >> > > >> > #ygrp-vital{ > >> > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > >> > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > >> > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; > >> text- > >> transform:uppercase ;} > >> > #ygrp-vital ul{ > >> > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > >> > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > >> > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > >> > } > >> > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > >> > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- > >> align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > >> > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > >> > font-weight: bold;} > >> > #ygrp-vital a { > >> > text-decoration: none;} > >> > > >> > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > >> > text-decoration: underline; } > >> > > >> > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > >> > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > >> > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > >> > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > >> > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > >> > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > >> > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > >> > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > >> > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > >> > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > >> > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > >> > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > >> > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > >> > padding:8px 0;} > >> > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > >> > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- > >> size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > >> > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > >> > text-decoration: none;} > >> > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > >> > text-decoration: underline; } > >> > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > >> > margin:0;} > >> > o {font-size:0; } > >> > .MsoNormal { > >> > margin:0 0 0 0;} > >> > #ygrp-text tt{ > >> > font-size:120% ;} > >> > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > >> > .replbq {margin:4;} > >> > --> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > >> > > >> > > >> > http://mail. <http://mail. > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - -------- > >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Michal, Thank you for your response. Will appreciate your analysis from same horoscope for the spouse. Since it is an important issue of children, if spouse's birth details were also provided,it would have been easier. Technically it may be possible to examine all relatives from one horoscope. In the best of analysis,it remains in the realm of probability.Whether we use Vedic or KP is only procedural.This is my personal view only and respect your line of thinking. Regards, Satish sohamsa , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote: > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ] > > Dear Satish, > > You may have a better chance of spotting something if you look at both horoscopes, but saying that looking at one is incorrect is - I'm sorry - incorrect. > > From the husband's chart there is all the information pertaining to the wife and vice versa. If the wife cannot have children (hypothetically) do you think we are going to get a different story in the husbands chart? > > From one person's chart we can see the mother, brother, father, sister, spouse, lineage... and what is happening to all of them. > > I don't know KP system so apologies for not contributing further. > > Respectfully, > Michal > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] > > > R Satish <rsatish1942 > sohamsa > Friday, April 27, 2007 6:24:35 PM > Re: can i ever father a child????? > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti,Rafal and friends, > > > > Since my astrologiacl knowledge is > > not adequate/miniscule to influence the vedic thinking,I have taken > > the KP approach to examine the childbirth issue. > > > > 1. We are examining only one horoscope instead of both > > partners,which is itself incorrect. The potentiality ha s to be > > judged from both partners' horoscope.We are now examining only one > > horoscope(father' s) > > > > 2. From KP angle, 5th Sublord is Jupiter connected to 5th amd 11th > > houses.So child birth is assured. > > > > 3. the DB is Saturn upto July 2013 and Mars upto March 08.Rahu > > also favours child birth.Venus anthara is from Nov07 to Jan 08.A > > girl child is a good possibility. > > > > 4. Since Saturn aspects both Lagna and Moon , few hiccups might > > have occured earlier. > > > > 5. In summary,good chances towads end on the year>since Mars,rahu > > is involved some medical intervention is possible. > > > > To repeat , both horoscopes need to be seen together to > > confirm the possibilities. > > > > Regards, > > > > Satish > sohamsa@ .com, Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote: > > > > > > ??? ??? ?????? > > > > > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > > Perfect analysis. Clear understanding. Treat the placement of the > > > malefics FROM the karaka, i.e. Rahus placement from Jupiter, then > > you > > > will know how the person will be affected by this Rahu in matters > > of > > > having children. Rest is perfect. > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > > > -- > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark > > > email: visti@ <visti@ ...> > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: > > http://srigaruda. com > > > <http://srigaruda. com> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > > > > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotisha's > > > > > > > > If chart is right then Ve and Me are in kona to D7, but still > > Sani is > > > > not in kona and A3 and A9 are not badly placed from Surya. So > > person > > > > will have delay but not denial. There is curse of buddha in 5 > > from > > > > Jupiter which is bad for bringing children and Buddha is in > > fixed > > > > navamsa and influenced by four malefics - but there is no AK, LL > > or 8L > > > > so it will not hit one directly. Jupiter is in MKS from Rahu > > (deb in > > > > amsa) so definitely Rahu will damage children area in fifth > > bhava but > > > > its well placed from lord of fifth and gets aspect from benefic. > > Now > > > > its dasa of PK so there can be problems in this mahadasa but the > > > > situation is not fatal. Person should worship Parampara Guru and > > chant > > > > Parampara Mantra with Gayatri with Vam beeja. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Guru > > > > www.rohinaa. com > > > > (+48) 503 44 18 18 > > > > > > > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisa?(a): > > > > > > > >> [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > > > >> > > > >> Dear Tijana, > > > >> > > > >> I'll try to address your points one at a time. > > > >> > > > >> Yes, Sun is progenitor. But 5th lord as well as Jupiter will > > have a > > > >> large roll to play in determining the karma for children in a > > > >> person's life. For example, if a person is with a partner who > > is > > > >> barren then why should we see affliction to Sun? > > > >> What I want to point out most of all is that just because we > > can > > > >> point out shapas does not mean that we know how they are > > working. Is > > > >> this not a fair comment? It is one thing to say there is pitri > > shapa > > > >> in the chart and another thing entirely to demonstrate how this > > shapa > > > >> is affecting a particular area of life, in this case children. > > If > > > >> you know then please list out the details so that we can all > > benefit > > > >> and learn, otherwise we can all point out curses all day not > > knowing > > > >> what they mean. > > > >> > > > >> Yes, houses can be cursed also, but there is another step after > > > >> this. I can show you charts of people with Rahu and Saturn > > sitting > > > >> in the 5th house, and they have children. Likewise I can show > > charts > > > >> with 5th house free from affliction and there are big problems > > with > > > >> children. There is more to the process than two malefics > > aspecting. > > > >> > > > >> I also mentioned 5th house from Jupiter, did you miss my > > earlier post > > > >> prior to Amit's? > > > >> > > > >> So what did you add with Charakaraka replacement? If the > > putrakaraka > > > >> is taking the place of pitrikaraka then the natural putrakaraka > > > >> Jupiter steps in. So what is happening to Jupiter? > > > >> > > > >> Respectfully, > > > >> Michal > > > >> > > > >> [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> nix_nixen <nix_nixen@ ..> > > > >> sohamsa@ .com > > > >> Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:43:12 AM > > > >> Re: can i ever father a child????? > > > >> > > > >> Om Gurave Namah > > > >> Dear Michal, > > > >> Sun conjoins Mars, Ketu, is aspected by Rahu, is in an inimical > > sign… > > > >> it`s bad enough. Your point on Mercury is very right and I don`t > > > >> think it`s not important, both curses stands and I leave as an > > option > > > >> that my point on pitri shapa is completely wrong, but who if > > not the > > > >> Sun you consider the progenitor? The 5th house is more than > > directly > > > >> involved as it bears a curse (houses suffers curses also). The > > 5th > > > >> house from Jupiter is important and this has been already > > pointed out > > > >> by Amit. I just added chara karaka replacement to the picture. > > > >> Warm regards, > > > >> Tijana > > > >> > > > >> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > 40. com>, > > > >> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > [ [ [ Hare Rama Krsna ] ] ] > > > >> > > > > >> > Dear Tijana, > > > >> > > > > >> > Why do you count Sun as badly afflicted in this chart? > > Wouldn't > > > >> you say that Mercury is far worse and therefore the curse is of > > uncle? > > > >> > > > > >> > In any case, whether it be Sun or Mercury that are cursed in > > this > > > >> chart, how does that then equate to the lack of procreative > > ability? > > > >> Sure, AS3 is in 12th from Surya, but what has this got to do > > with any > > > >> curse? > > > >> > > > > >> > What I have learned is that the houses owned by malefics > > involved > > > >> in the curse show the area of suffering. The 5th house or its > > Lord > > > >> are not directly involved, so are you implying that the > > involvement > > > >> of the 5th house from Jupiter is the problem here? > > > >> > > > > >> > Respectfully, > > > >> > Michal > > > >> > > > > >> > [ [ [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ] ] > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > nix_nixen <nix_nixen@ ..> > > > >> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > 40. com> > > > >> > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:47:11 PM > > > >> > Re: can i ever father a child????? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Om Gurave Namah > > > >> > > > > >> > Dear Rajan, > > > >> > > > > >> > The chart has a Pitri shapa in the 5th from Jupiter that > > involves > > > >> > > > > >> > badhakesha. Also there are few very significant chara karaka > > > >> > > > > >> > replacements from which PK and Pik are important. Jupiter > > (stira > > > >> > > > > >> > karka for children) is not weak even placed in badhak sthana, > > but > > > >> > > > > >> > Surya (stira karaka for father) is badly afflicted. This could > > > >> > > > > >> > indicate early death of father and considering the shapa and > > bad > > > >> > > > > >> > position of AS3 it shows that the karmic cause of the progeny > > > >> problem > > > >> > > > > >> > is related to last rites to some of the ancestors from > > father`s > > > >> side > > > >> > > > > >> > of family. > > > >> > > > > >> > Rajan, sorry for using terms that are maybe not clear to you, > > but > > > >> > > > > >> > it`s the way to exchange opinions with other members that will > > > >> bring > > > >> > > > > >> > suitable remedy for you. > > > >> > > > > >> > Warm regards, > > > >> > > > > >> > Tijana > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > sohamsa@ .com, " rajan.chand " > > <rajan.chand@ ...> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > dear sirs, > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > sorry to post the message on so many boards but right now i > > am in > > > >> a > > > >> > > > > >> > > difficult state of mind. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > i have been married for over 1 year now but i am childless > > till > > > >> > > > > >> > now. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > i know its a small time but the fact is that it is really > > > >> bothering > > > >> > > > > >> > > both of us. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > we are not disappointed but disheartened. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > we don't want to waste any of your precious time. we > > require just > > > >> a > > > >> > > > > >> > > simple yes or a no & a possible timeframe for the same for > > a baby. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > my birth details are as under > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > born on 19 jan 1981, 11:30 a.m., new delhi > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > many regards, > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > rajan > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > <!-- > > > >> > > > > >> > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; 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