Guest guest Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Dear Professor, What combinations do we look for in a chart to understand if a person is a thief? Best regards, Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Hello dear Vyas, The close influence of Rahu on third, ascendant or tenth house can make one a thief. Best wishes. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:56 AM Significations of being a Thief Dear Professor, What combinations do we look for in a chart to understand if a person is a thief? Best regards, Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Dear Professor, Thank you. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:23 PM Re: Significations of being a Thief Hello dear Vyas, The close influence of Rahu on third, ascendant or tenth house can make one a thief. Best wishes. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:56 AM Significations of being a Thief Dear Professor, What combinations do we look for in a chart to understand if a person is a thief? Best regards, Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Respected Sir, If third house lord mars and ascendant lord saturn are under the closle aspect of Rahu by 7th and 9th aspect? Rahu place is in 11th house? will we consider same situation like below? Thanks Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Thank you. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:23 PM Re: Significations of being a Thief Hello dear Vyas, The close influence of Rahu on third, ascendant or tenth house can make one a thief. Best wishes. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:56 AM Significations of being a Thief Dear Professor, What combinations do we look for in a chart to understand if a person is a thief? Best regards, Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 I worked side by side for nine years with someone for nine years who was a very talented thief - no one caught on. And it was going on for years. Chart is extremely interesting, as below. Feb 5, 1972 Fairfield Iowa Aquarius rising 7:52 am See how 6L MO aspects 3L MA own sign? Lord of house of entreprenuerial ventures aspects the lord of the house of theft. She was a very entrepreneurial thief! Made a lot of money. She just got arrested ten days ago and now its all over the news. Because she was so successful and took so much, over $55,000 of goods, it has created a lot of public interest. Because her chart is getting so good transit wise, I have my doubt she'll be convicted: Mars 3L aspecting natal SA 1L, transit Saturn, and the MEP's of the 7th, 10th and 11th houses MA 3L aspecting natal JU 11L SA 1L entering her MEP and aspecting it's own natal self, the Asc, and 9H of good luck. I think she going to, through her owns efforts, get a lot of stuff going for her, gains, friends, and doubtless relocate. I also suspect there is someone in law enforcement and perhaps even the judicial system protecting her from the consequences of her own actions. These transits couldn't be better if she paid for them. ME and SU will be going through her 6th, but those are shortlived transits. I suspect quick resolution and a slap on the wrist at best, perhaps she'll even turn the tables and walk. SATTVA101 group -- your opinions please? It will be easy to track our collective opinions as this case is currently being covered by the media all over Iowa. Lila Dear Professor, Thank you. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:23 PM Re: Significations of being a Thief Hello dear Vyas, The close influence of Rahu on third, ascendant or tenth house can make one a thief. Best wishes. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:56 AM Significations of being a Thief Dear Professor, What combinations do we look for in a chart to understand if a person is a thief? Best regards, Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Hello Esstar, The weakness of other planets can give the inclinations. Best wishes. - " Esstar " <esstar2002 Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:52 AM Re: Significations of being a Thief Respected Sir, If third house lord mars and ascendant lord saturn are under the closle aspect of Rahu by 7th and 9th aspect? Rahu place is in 11th house? will we consider same situation like below? Thanks Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Thank you. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:23 PM Re: Significations of being a Thief Hello dear Vyas, The close influence of Rahu on third, ascendant or tenth house can make one a thief. Best wishes. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:56 AM Significations of being a Thief Dear Professor, What combinations do we look for in a chart to understand if a person is a thief? Best regards, Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Hello Everyone - Just a quick thought ..... Isn't moon being malefic specially if it is 6th lord make a mind go into a mode of challenging others (theft - I challenge you that you will not find me) very similar to Lila's case; in other words not using mental strength in positive way. I do have a question that if the moon is weak as in this case (1.51'); can mind be so successfully challenging. May be that is why she got caught (?) I will pursue the story along the path on the web. Regards, Surya " dmk " <dmk Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:35:26 PM Re: Significations of being a Thief I worked side by side for nine years with someone for nine years who was a very talented thief - no one caught on. And it was going on for years. Chart is extremely interesting, as below. Feb 5, 1972 Fairfield Iowa Aquarius rising 7:52 am See how 6L MO aspects 3L MA own sign? Lord of house of entreprenuerial ventures aspects the lord of the house of theft. She was a very entrepreneurial thief! Made a lot of money. She just got arrested ten days ago and now its all over the news. Because she was so successful and took so much, over $55,000 of goods, it has created a lot of public interest. Because her chart is getting so good transit wise, I have my doubt she'll be convicted: Mars 3L aspecting natal SA 1L, transit Saturn, and the MEP's of the 7th, 10th and 11th houses MA 3L aspecting natal JU 11L SA 1L entering her MEP and aspecting it's own natal self, the Asc, and 9H of good luck. I think she going to, through her owns efforts, get a lot of stuff going for her, gains, friends, and doubtless relocate. I also suspect there is someone in law enforcement and perhaps even the judicial system protecting her from the consequences of her own actions. These transits couldn't be better if she paid for them. ME and SU will be going through her 6th, but those are shortlived transits. I suspect quick resolution and a slap on the wrist at best, perhaps she'll even turn the tables and walk. SATTVA101 group -- your opinions please? It will be easy to track our collective opinions as this case is currently being covered by the media all over Iowa. Lila Dear Professor, Thank you. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha@yournetastrolo ger.com> <@ s.com> Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:23 PM Re: Significations of being a Thief Hello dear Vyas, The close influence of Rahu on third, ascendant or tenth house can make one a thief. Best wishes. - " Vyas Munidas " <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> <@ s.com> Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:56 AM Significations of being a Thief Dear Professor, What combinations do we look for in a chart to understand if a person is a thief? Best regards, Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Thank you Lila. I was thinking 6L could do it. What an interesting chart as for all appearances this person appeared exemplary. Rahu closely aspects the 8L too, very interesting undercover work in secret. She is in a Rahu period and it resides in the house of incarceration with the 8L...and Rahu approaches her 1mep.. MA 3L aspecting natal JU 11L Her friends may bail her out and she may be getting exposure in the press for her actions. But the trial date may be later when Rahu plays a part. Also, look at the dispositor of Saturn, it's in the 6H, the Sun. In the Ekadamsa chart, the period lord, Jupiter is with the 8L of that chart.. The tables may turn. Aloha, Sally On 7/31/07, dmk <dmk wrote: > > > > I worked side by side for nine years with someone for nine years who was > a very talented thief - no one caught on. And it was going on for years. > > Chart is extremely interesting, as below. > Feb 5, 1972 > Fairfield Iowa > Aquarius rising > 7:52 am > > See how 6L MO aspects 3L MA own sign? Lord of house of entreprenuerial > ventures aspects the lord of the house of theft. She was a very > entrepreneurial thief! Made a lot of money. She just got arrested ten > days ago and now its all over the news. Because she was so successful and > took so much, over $55,000 of goods, it has created a lot of public > interest. > > Because her chart is getting so good transit wise, I have my doubt she'll > be convicted: > Mars 3L aspecting natal SA 1L, transit Saturn, and the MEP's of the 7th, > 10th and 11th houses > MA 3L aspecting natal JU 11L > SA 1L entering her MEP and aspecting it's own natal self, the Asc, and 9H > of good luck. > > I think she going to, through her owns efforts, get a lot of stuff going > for her, gains, friends, and doubtless relocate. I also suspect there is > someone in law enforcement and perhaps even the judicial system > protecting her from the consequences of her own actions. > These transits couldn't be better if she paid for them. > > ME and SU will be going through her 6th, but those are shortlived > transits. I suspect quick resolution and a slap on the wrist at best, > perhaps she'll even turn the tables and walk. > SATTVA101 group -- your opinions please? > > It will be easy to track our collective opinions as this case is > currently being covered by the media all over Iowa. > > Lila > > Dear Professor, > > > > Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing- Ascension work, Astrology Vedic (Hindu) and Western www.Devi3.byregion.net Waves of Love Entering the Planet It's inevitable. It's contagious~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Hi! Thank you for sharing this case- very interesting.....thief with so much support from the sky She is currently in Bhukti of Rahu and Pratyantar of Mercury- both conjunct mutually in house of imprisonment. Mercury is MMP so their conjunction occurring in dusthaasana increases malefic influence of both planets in natal and transit charts to very great extend. It is interesting that she was arrested just during Ra-Me aspect in transit (10 days ago). Currently Rahu – bhukti lord transits through her ascendant, and Mercury through house of llitigation where some short lived malefic transit influences can be found. I think her chances to fail in lawsuit and her chances to end in jail in near future would be much, much more higher if she was born 7 minutes or more later. It is very interesting horoscope case, thank you. paramjyoti dasa , dmk wrote: > > > > I worked side by side for nine years with someone for nine years who was > a very talented thief - no one caught on. And it was going on for years. > > Chart is extremely interesting, as below. > Feb 5, 1972 > Fairfield Iowa > Aquarius rising > 7:52 am > > See how 6L MO aspects 3L MA own sign? Lord of house of entreprenuerial > ventures aspects the lord of the house of theft. She was a very > entrepreneurial thief! Made a lot of money. She just got arrested ten > days ago and now its all over the news. Because she was so successful and > took so much, over $55,000 of goods, it has created a lot of public interest. > > Because her chart is getting so good transit wise, I have my doubt she'll > be convicted: > Mars 3L aspecting natal SA 1L, transit Saturn, and the MEP's of the 7th, > 10th and 11th houses > MA 3L aspecting natal JU 11L > SA 1L entering her MEP and aspecting it's own natal self, the Asc, and 9H > of good luck. > > I think she going to, through her owns efforts, get a lot of stuff going > for her, gains, friends, and doubtless relocate. I also suspect there is > someone in law enforcement and perhaps even the judicial system > protecting her from the consequences of her own actions. > These transits couldn't be better if she paid for them. > > ME and SU will be going through her 6th, but those are shortlived > transits. I suspect quick resolution and a slap on the wrist at best, > perhaps she'll even turn the tables and walk. > SATTVA101 group -- your opinions please? > > It will be easy to track our collective opinions as this case is > currently being covered by the media all over Iowa. > > Lila > > Dear Professor, > > Thank you. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - <siha > > Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:23 PM > Re: Significations of being a Thief > > > > Hello dear Vyas, > > The close influence of Rahu on third, ascendant or tenth house can make one > a thief. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:56 AM > Significations of being a Thief > > > Dear Professor, > > What combinations do we look for in a chart to understand if a person is a > thief? > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Very good! I'd love to hear what others think as well. Yes, Sally and Paramjyoti, your observations are so astute. This chart is simply fascinating! 3L own house aspecting 6L theft is such a brilliant indication of a thief. I am aware of the RA/ME 8L natal dogfight in the 12th. However, Dr. Professor reminds us continually that transits take precedence! As far as " interesting undercover work " is concerned, Sally hit it on the head, or bottom as the case may be. She stole lingerie, specifically panties and bras! Yes, Sally, everyone thought she was such a good worker, exemplary as you call it. Not friendly in the least, but efficient. What we did not know was that the orders she was packing and shipping from were her own! She was in charge of ordering and inventory for a small operation. No one suspected. What is facinating is that she has gotten so much support from law enforcement. The search warrant (public information) appears to have been sealed. To this day no one in our small community even knows it happened. The report on her arrest (also public information) was " misplaced " so it never reached the papers. Until yours truly (me) called the media. She's looking at 35 years, but she's not going to jail -- 1st time, female, non violent offense. They're going to offer her no time but heavy probation in return for a plea and resitution, which would be $55,000 paid over time. But I do not even see heavy debts for this girl. The arraignment is on August 13th, when 8L Me and 7L SU are conjunct in the 6th. And SA 1L and VE 9L are conjunct in the 7th. What a mixed bag of nuts! I'll keep you abreast of the situation - no pun intended. Overall transit wise, I don't think she faces long term terrible consequences, like repayent or felony convinction. What do the rest of you think? Would love to hear any opinions and appreciate all your comments. Thanks for your insight, Lila Thank you Lila. I was thinking 6L could do it. What an interesting chart as for all appearances this person appeared exemplary. Rahu closely aspects the 8L too, very interesting undercover work in secret. She is in a Rahu period and it resides in the house of incarceration with the 8L...and Rahu approaches her 1mep.. MA 3L aspecting natal JU 11L Her friends may bail her out and she may be getting exposure in the press for her actions. But the trial date may be later when Rahu plays a part. Also, look at the dispositor of Saturn, it's in the 6H, the Sun. In the Ekadamsa chart, the period lord, Jupiter is with the 8L of that chart.. The tables may turn. Aloha, Sally On 7/31/07, dmk <dmk wrote: > > > > I worked side by side for nine years with someone for nine years who was > a very talented thief - no one caught on. And it was going on for years. > > Chart is extremely interesting, as below. > Feb 5, 1972 > Fairfield Iowa > Aquarius rising > 7:52 am > > See how 6L MO aspects 3L MA own sign? Lord of house of entreprenuerial > ventures aspects the lord of the house of theft. She was a very > entrepreneurial thief! Made a lot of money. She just got arrested ten > days ago and now its all over the news. Because she was so successful and > took so much, over $55,000 of goods, it has created a lot of public > interest. > > Because her chart is getting so good transit wise, I have my doubt she'll > be convicted: > Mars 3L aspecting natal SA 1L, transit Saturn, and the MEP's of the 7th, > 10th and 11th houses > MA 3L aspecting natal JU 11L > SA 1L entering her MEP and aspecting it's own natal self, the Asc, and 9H > of good luck. > > I think she going to, through her owns efforts, get a lot of stuff going > for her, gains, friends, and doubtless relocate. I also suspect there is > someone in law enforcement and perhaps even the judicial system > protecting her from the consequences of her own actions. > These transits couldn't be better if she paid for them. > > ME and SU will be going through her 6th, but those are shortlived > transits. I suspect quick resolution and a slap on the wrist at best, > perhaps she'll even turn the tables and walk. > SATTVA101 group -- your opinions please? > > It will be easy to track our collective opinions as this case is > currently being covered by the media all over Iowa. > > Lila > > Dear Professor, > > > > Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing- Ascension work, Astrology Vedic (Hindu) and Western www.Devi3.byregion.net Waves of Love Entering the Planet It's inevitable. It's contagious~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 I see. It helps to know the law. That is the Rahu configuration and transit may just indicate isolation in another sense...as 12H rules that. It also rules expenditures...so repayment then.. Thanks again. Do keep us posted. Sally On 8/1/07, dmk <dmk wrote: > > > Very good! I'd love to hear what others think as well. > > Yes, Sally and Paramjyoti, your observations are so astute. This chart is > simply fascinating! 3L own house aspecting 6L theft is such a brilliant > indication of a thief. > > I am aware of the RA/ME 8L natal dogfight in the 12th. However, Dr. > Professor reminds us continually that transits take precedence! > > As far as " interesting undercover work " is concerned, Sally hit it on the > head, or bottom as the case may be. She stole lingerie, specifically > panties and bras! > > Yes, Sally, everyone thought she was such a good worker, exemplary as you > call it. Not friendly in the least, but efficient. What we did not know > was that the orders she was packing and shipping from were her own! She > was in charge of ordering and inventory for a small operation. No one > suspected. > > What is fascinating is that she has gotten so much support from law > enforcement. The search warrant (public information) appears to have been > sealed. To this day no one in our small community even knows it happened. > The report on her arrest (also public information) was " misplaced " so it > never reached the papers. Until yours truly (me) called the media. > > She's looking at 35 years, but she's not going to jail -- 1st time, > female, non violent offense. They're going to offer her no time but heavy > probation in return for a plea and restitution, which would be $55,000 > paid over time. But I do not even see heavy debts for this girl. > > The arraignment is on August 13th, when 8L Me and 7L SU are conjunct in > the 6th. And SA 1L and VE 9L are conjunct in the 7th. What a mixed bag of > nuts! > > I'll keep you abreast of the situation - no pun intended. > > Overall transit wise, I don't think she faces long term terrible > consequences, like repayment or felony conviction. What do the rest of > you think? Would love to hear any opinions and appreciate all your > comments. > > Thanks for your insight, > > Lila > > Thank you Lila. I was thinking 6L could do it. > > What an interesting chart as for all appearances this person appeared > exemplary. > > Rahu closely aspects the 8L too, very interesting undercover work in > secret. > > She is in a Rahu period and it resides in the house of incarceration with > the 8L...and Rahu approaches her 1mep.. > > MA 3L aspecting natal JU 11L Her friends may bail her out and she may be > getting exposure in the press for her actions. But the trial date may be > later when Rahu plays a part. > > Also, look at the dispositor of Saturn, it's in the 6H, the Sun. > > In the Ekadamsa chart, the period lord, Jupiter is with the 8L of that > chart.. > > The tables may turn. > > Aloha, > > Sally > > On 7/31/07, dmk <dmk wrote: > > > > > > > > I worked side by side for nine years with someone for nine years who was > > a very talented thief - no one caught on. And it was going on for years. > > > > Chart is extremely interesting, as below. > > Feb 5, 1972 > > Fairfield Iowa > > Aquarius rising > > 7:52 am > > > > See how 6L MO aspects 3L MA own sign? Lord of house of entreprenuerial > > ventures aspects the lord of the house of theft. She was a very > > entrepreneurial thief! Made a lot of money. She just got arrested ten > > days ago and now its all over the news. Because she was so successful > and > > took so much, over $55,000 of goods, it has created a lot of public > > interest. > > > > Because her chart is getting so good transit wise, I have my doubt > she'll > > be convicted: > > Mars 3L aspecting natal SA 1L, transit Saturn, and the MEP's of the 7th, > > 10th and 11th houses > > MA 3L aspecting natal JU 11L > > SA 1L entering her MEP and aspecting it's own natal self, the Asc, and > 9H > > of good luck. > > > > I think she going to, through her owns efforts, get a lot of stuff going > > for her, gains, friends, and doubtless relocate. I also suspect there is > > someone in law enforcement and perhaps even the judicial system > > protecting her from the consequences of her own actions. > > These transits couldn't be better if she paid for them. > > > > ME and SU will be going through her 6th, but those are shortlived > > transits. I suspect quick resolution and a slap on the wrist at best, > > perhaps she'll even turn the tables and walk. > > SATTVA101 group -- your opinions please? > > > > It will be easy to track our collective opinions as this case is > > currently being covered by the media all over Iowa. > > > > Lila > > > > Dear Professor, > > > > > > > > > Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid > A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing- > Ascension work, Astrology > Vedic (Hindu) and Western > www.Devi3.byregion.net > > Waves of Love > Entering the Planet > It's inevitable. It's contagious~ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Lila, Jupiter, signifying morality, is strong and aspects both the 3rd of initiatives/actions, 5th of intelligence and 7th of partners as well as the 3rd lord itself; Mars. The lagna lord Saturn is on the MEP of the 4th house of character/morality and aspects the 6th, 10th of karma, and the lagna. These factors would seem to provide some protective cover to these significations. I realize the Sun is weak and badly placed and the 8th lord is afflicted by Rahu in the 12th so perhaps that's enough to create some poor decisions an immorality. But it just doesn't seem to fit as crisply or cleanly as I usually see with SA. So, out of curiosity I flipped the AM to PM. Take a look...is that a possibility? It seems to fit a lot better. At the risk of being all wet, Matt -- In , dmk wrote: > > > > I worked side by side for nine years with someone for nine years who was > a very talented thief - no one caught on. And it was going on for years. > > Chart is extremely interesting, as below. > Feb 5, 1972 > Fairfield Iowa > Aquarius rising > 7:52 am > > See how 6L MO aspects 3L MA own sign? Lord of house of entreprenuerial > ventures aspects the lord of the house of theft. She was a very > entrepreneurial thief! Made a lot of money. She just got arrested ten > days ago and now its all over the news. Because she was so successful and > took so much, over $55,000 of goods, it has created a lot of public interest. > > Because her chart is getting so good transit wise, I have my doubt she'll > be convicted: > Mars 3L aspecting natal SA 1L, transit Saturn, and the MEP's of the 7th, > 10th and 11th houses > MA 3L aspecting natal JU 11L > SA 1L entering her MEP and aspecting it's own natal self, the Asc, and 9H > of good luck. > > I think she going to, through her owns efforts, get a lot of stuff going > for her, gains, friends, and doubtless relocate. I also suspect there is > someone in law enforcement and perhaps even the judicial system > protecting her from the consequences of her own actions. > These transits couldn't be better if she paid for them. > > ME and SU will be going through her 6th, but those are shortlived > transits. I suspect quick resolution and a slap on the wrist at best, > perhaps she'll even turn the tables and walk. > SATTVA101 group -- your opinions please? > > It will be easy to track our collective opinions as this case is > currently being covered by the media all over Iowa. > > Lila > > Dear Professor, > > Thank you. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - <siha > > Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:23 PM > Re: Significations of being a Thief > > > > Hello dear Vyas, > > The close influence of Rahu on third, ascendant or tenth house can make one > a thief. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:56 AM > Significations of being a Thief > > > Dear Professor, > > What combinations do we look for in a chart to understand if a person is a > thief? > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 She gave me her birth data years before. And she said it was am. Although it is a thought. I can go the courthouse to look up data, but in Fairfield I do not think they record the time of birth, or at least did not in the 70's and 80's. Lila Lila, Jupiter, signifying morality, is strong and aspects both the 3rd of initiatives/actions, 5th of intelligence and 7th of partners as well as the 3rd lord itself; Mars. The lagna lord Saturn is on the MEP of the 4th house of character/morality and aspects the 6th, 10th of karma, and the lagna. These factors would seem to provide some protective cover to these significations. I realize the Sun is weak and badly placed and the 8th lord is afflicted by Rahu in the 12th so perhaps that's enough to create some poor decisions an immorality. But it just doesn't seem to fit as crisply or cleanly as I usually see with SA. So, out of curiosity I flipped the AM to PM. Take a look...is that a possibility? It seems to fit a lot better. At the risk of being all wet, Matt -- In , dmk wrote: > > > > I worked side by side for nine years with someone for nine years who was > a very talented thief - no one caught on. And it was going on for years. > > Chart is extremely interesting, as below. > Feb 5, 1972 > Fairfield Iowa > Aquarius rising > 7:52 am > > See how 6L MO aspects 3L MA own sign? Lord of house of entreprenuerial > ventures aspects the lord of the house of theft. She was a very > entrepreneurial thief! Made a lot of money. She just got arrested ten > days ago and now its all over the news. Because she was so successful and > took so much, over $55,000 of goods, it has created a lot of public interest. > > Because her chart is getting so good transit wise, I have my doubt she'll > be convicted: > Mars 3L aspecting natal SA 1L, transit Saturn, and the MEP's of the 7th, > 10th and 11th houses > MA 3L aspecting natal JU 11L > SA 1L entering her MEP and aspecting it's own natal self, the Asc, and 9H > of good luck. > > I think she going to, through her owns efforts, get a lot of stuff going > for her, gains, friends, and doubtless relocate. I also suspect there is > someone in law enforcement and perhaps even the judicial system > protecting her from the consequences of her own actions. > These transits couldn't be better if she paid for them. > > ME and SU will be going through her 6th, but those are shortlived > transits. I suspect quick resolution and a slap on the wrist at best, > perhaps she'll even turn the tables and walk. > SATTVA101 group -- your opinions please? > > It will be easy to track our collective opinions as this case is > currently being covered by the media all over Iowa. > > Lila > > Dear Professor, > > Thank you. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - <siha > > Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:23 PM > Re: Significations of being a Thief > > > > Hello dear Vyas, > > The close influence of Rahu on third, ascendant or tenth house can make one > a thief. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > > Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:56 AM > Significations of being a Thief > > > Dear Professor, > > What combinations do we look for in a chart to understand if a person is a > thief? > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Lila, Thanks. Your interest will have to decide if the trip is worth it. In considering a possible PM birth, which is hypothetical, I pushed the TOB to 7:54pm (from 7:52) to correlate the arrest with the change to Mercury bhukti. A reading would go as follows: Lagna lord in 6th connects her strongly to disputes and litigation and wouldn't be good for her health or that of her father. The 2nd lord Mercury in the 6th of disputes/litigation and afflicted by Rahu could show her reputation/status coming into question from litigation/disputes. It would also create disputes with immediate family members and further reduce health (Mercury significations of the 2nd like mouth/throat and also respiratory). Accumulated wealth could be the subject of litigation etc.. The 3rd lord Venus in the 8th shows that her initiatives and actions would not be protected by Venus and therefore subject to other malefic influences. The Moon resides in Venus' 3rd house of initiatives, as the 12th lord MMP, and closely afflicts Mars which has some bearing on morality as the infant 9th lord. Jupiter is well-placed in its own mooltrikona house in full strength in the 5th and shows intelligence and does provide some cover to Mars by aspect. Saturn is well placed in the 10th house in full strength but doesn't create any aspects/conjunctions in the chart. It would protect the marriage and relationships, however. Mars is well-placed in its own mooltrikona, though infant, and having about 60% strength. Where the Moon is a quick moving malefic and would constantly be transiting over the weaknesses of Mercury (emotional mind), Venus (initiatives), the Sun (lagna) and Mars(morality/justice) I wonder if this created the influence to steal? As Mercury rules communications and speech, especially as 2nd lord, its placement with Rahu in the 6th also with the Sun should create a rather biting and caustic personality and manner of interaction. I might hazard a guess that she could be pretty foul-mouthed too though an argumentative nature is a far more likely outcome if the PM birth has any credence. From 1993 - July 2004 she ran the subperiods of either malefic or weak functional benefics. Saturn's subperiod then ran until just last month. The Mercury subperiod coincides with the arrest and litigation. Being placed in the 6th house with the nodal axis across the 6/12 houses, this makes sense for arrest and incarceration. I wonder if any of these indications " fit " ? It's a good exercise because the planets placed in the 12th house of the original chart obviously go to the 6th as a mirror image and many significations remain negative/weak. The difference I see in the PM-based chart is the LACK of positive impact of functional benefics Jupiter and Saturn on the MEPs of the 3rd and ascendant. In the AM-chart, these benefic influences should have kept her on the right side of the law, in my opinion. I am not suggesting you or list members give this serious thought. Excellent analysis has already been provided by you and others. I was just exercising my curiosity... Warm regards, Matt , dmk wrote: > > > > She gave me her birth data years before. And she said it was am. > Although it is a thought. I can go the courthouse to look up data, but in > Fairfield I do not think they record the time of birth, or at least did > not in the 70's and 80's. > > Lila > TRUNCATED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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