Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Lila and list members, I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this person as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter – planet of dharma and ethic on 3L of initiatives. Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not necessary makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other significations of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all 6- th house meanings? Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant or tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor recently said.. Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is not enough... Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under Rahu conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. Therefore there must be some additional factor which would insist on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other words means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon as the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much easier to see her theft mentality and actions... .. . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think it is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for instance, where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain conditions)). So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise quite controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember Mo is also her 6th lord). Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate above meanings. Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from it. paramjyoti dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Hello Paramjyoti dasa, You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not clear to understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that the native can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, and so is a bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in the 12H inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These combinations also increases the chance of punishment. If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear considering the significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't think that one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going through the tools we use, systematically. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " nitaybol " <nitaybol Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM Why thief? Lila and list members, I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this person as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of dharma and ethic on 3L of initiatives. Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not necessary makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other significations of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all 6- th house meanings? Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant or tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor recently said.. Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is not enough... Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under Rahu conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. Therefore there must be some additional factor which would insist on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other words means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon as the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much easier to see her theft mentality and actions... .. . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think it is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for instance, where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain conditions)). So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise quite controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember Mo is also her 6th lord). Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate above meanings. Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from it. paramjyoti dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Dear Vyas, Thank you for your insights. Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief in blind reading. It is easy to be wise when we know the story. Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets can change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart what is not a big " art " . just my thought.. All the Best, paramjyoti dasa , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not clear to > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that the native > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, and so is a > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in the 12H > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These combinations also > increases the chance of punishment. > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear considering the > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't think that > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going through the > tools we use, systematically. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > Why thief? > > > Lila and list members, > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this person > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of dharma > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not necessary > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other significations > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all 6- > th house meanings? > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant or > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor recently > said.. > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is not > enough... > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under Rahu > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would insist > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other words > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon as > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think it > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for instance, > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > conditions)). > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise quite > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember Mo > is also her 6th lord). > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > above meanings. > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from it. > > paramjyoti dasa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Hello Paramjyoti dasa, When the challenges are indicated like this, one has to see how it will be expressed, especially as it's no so obvious. Let Ms Lila confirm the natal data. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " nitaybol " <nitaybol Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:41 AM Re: Why thief? Dear Vyas, Thank you for your insights. Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief in blind reading. It is easy to be wise when we know the story. Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets can change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart what is not a big " art " . just my thought.. All the Best, paramjyoti dasa , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not clear to > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that the native > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, and so is a > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in the 12H > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These combinations also > increases the chance of punishment. > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear considering the > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't think that > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going through the > tools we use, systematically. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > Why thief? > > > Lila and list members, > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this person > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of dharma > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not necessary > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other significations > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all 6- > th house meanings? > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant or > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor recently > said.. > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is not > enough... > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under Rahu > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would insist > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other words > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon as > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think it > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for instance, > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > conditions)). > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise quite > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember Mo > is also her 6th lord). > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > above meanings. > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from it. > > paramjyoti dasa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Vyas, you are funny. As she has been arrested, I am not so sure she will be speaking to me. And I do not think her family will be relaying my messages. Lila Hello Paramjyoti dasa, When the challenges are indicated like this, one has to see how it will be expressed, especially as it's no so obvious. Let Ms Lila confirm the natal data. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " nitaybol " <nitaybol Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:41 AM Re: Why thief? Dear Vyas, Thank you for your insights. Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief in blind reading. It is easy to be wise when we know the story. Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets can change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart what is not a big " art " . just my thought.. All the Best, paramjyoti dasa , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not clear to > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that the native > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, and so is a > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in the 12H > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These combinations also > increases the chance of punishment. > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear considering the > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't think that > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going through the > tools we use, systematically. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > Why thief? > > > Lila and list members, > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this person > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of dharma > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not necessary > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other significations > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all 6- > th house meanings? > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant or > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor recently > said.. > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is not > enough... > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under Rahu > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would insist > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other words > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon as > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think it > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for instance, > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > conditions)). > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise quite > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember Mo > is also her 6th lord). > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > above meanings. > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from it. > > paramjyoti dasa > ===========End of original message text=========== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Dear List, Just taking this topic from opposite site:: I remember once Professor said that astrology is not a TV when we can see everything what is happening like on TV screen. Maybe we sometimes want to be to perfect and see everything from the charts and to have ready answers on every life case. Karma can be very complex ..thus astrology also.. So great Thanks to Professor who made it for us so easy to effectively Approach this science what is very great GIFT. Effectiveness and perfection have subtle difference in their meaning. (I hope I took these English words right). Therefore it is better to be effective astrologer for people (what Professor teaches us and about what all SA is), then only struggle to be always perfect in our predictions. I hope you know what I mean. All the best, Paramjyoti dasa , dmk wrote: > > > > Vyas, you are funny. As she has been arrested, I am not so sure she will > be speaking to me. And I do not think her family will be relaying my messages. > > Lila > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > When the challenges are indicated like this, one has to see how it will be > expressed, especially as it's no so obvious. > > Let Ms Lila confirm the natal data. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:41 AM > Re: Why thief? > > > Dear Vyas, > > Thank you for your insights. > Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. > > But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief > in blind reading. > > It is easy to be wise when we know the story. > > Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in > one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper > meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the > strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of > planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets can > change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I > never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well > and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. > Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on > planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the > exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. > > Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few > years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a > thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by > seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart > what is not a big " art " . > > just my thought.. > > All the Best, > > paramjyoti dasa > > > , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not > clear to > > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that the > native > > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, and > so is a > > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in > the 12H > > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These > combinations also > > increases the chance of punishment. > > > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear > considering the > > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't > think that > > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going through > the > > tools we use, systematically. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > > Why thief? > > > > > > Lila and list members, > > > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this person > > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of dharma > > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not necessary > > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other > significations > > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all 6- > > th house meanings? > > > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant or > > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor > recently > > said.. > > > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is not > > enough... > > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under Rahu > > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would insist > > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other > words > > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon as > > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think it > > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for instance, > > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > > conditions)). > > > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise quite > > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember Mo > > is also her 6th lord). > > > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > > above meanings. > > > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from > it. > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > ===========End of original message text=========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Hello dear Paramjyoti, You understanding is right. Rahu employs all means manipulation, deceit and theft to satisfies its selfishness and greed. Best wishes. - " nitaybol " <nitaybol Friday, August 03, 2007 12:31 AM Re: Why thief? Dear List, Just taking this topic from opposite site:: I remember once Professor said that astrology is not a TV when we can see everything what is happening like on TV screen. Maybe we sometimes want to be to perfect and see everything from the charts and to have ready answers on every life case. Karma can be very complex ..thus astrology also.. So great Thanks to Professor who made it for us so easy to effectively Approach this science what is very great GIFT. Effectiveness and perfection have subtle difference in their meaning. (I hope I took these English words right). Therefore it is better to be effective astrologer for people (what Professor teaches us and about what all SA is), then only struggle to be always perfect in our predictions. I hope you know what I mean. All the best, Paramjyoti dasa , dmk wrote: > > > > Vyas, you are funny. As she has been arrested, I am not so sure she will > be speaking to me. And I do not think her family will be relaying my messages. > > Lila > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > When the challenges are indicated like this, one has to see how it will be > expressed, especially as it's no so obvious. > > Let Ms Lila confirm the natal data. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:41 AM > Re: Why thief? > > > Dear Vyas, > > Thank you for your insights. > Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. > > But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief > in blind reading. > > It is easy to be wise when we know the story. > > Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in > one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper > meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the > strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of > planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets can > change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I > never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well > and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. > Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on > planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the > exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. > > Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few > years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a > thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by > seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart > what is not a big " art " . > > just my thought.. > > All the Best, > > paramjyoti dasa > > > , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not > clear to > > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that the > native > > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, and > so is a > > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in > the 12H > > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These > combinations also > > increases the chance of punishment. > > > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear > considering the > > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't > think that > > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going through > the > > tools we use, systematically. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > > Why thief? > > > > > > Lila and list members, > > > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this person > > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of dharma > > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not necessary > > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other > significations > > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all 6- > > th house meanings? > > > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant or > > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor > recently > > said.. > > > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is not > > enough... > > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under Rahu > > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would insist > > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other > words > > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon as > > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think it > > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for instance, > > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > > conditions)). > > > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise quite > > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember Mo > > is also her 6th lord). > > > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > > above meanings. > > > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from > it. > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > ===========End of original message text=========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Dear Professr, Thank you for your comment as it was not easy to read. All the best, paramjyoti dasa , <siha wrote: > > > Hello dear Paramjyoti, > > You understanding is right. > > Rahu employs all means manipulation, deceit and theft to satisfies its > selfishness and greed. > > Best wishes. > > > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Friday, August 03, 2007 12:31 AM > Re: Why thief? > > > Dear List, > > Just taking this topic from opposite site:: > > I remember once Professor said that astrology is not a TV when we > can see everything what is happening like on TV screen. > > Maybe we sometimes want to be to perfect and see everything from the > charts and to have ready answers on every life case. > > Karma can be very complex ..thus astrology also.. So great Thanks to > Professor who made it for us so easy to effectively Approach this > science what is very great GIFT. > > Effectiveness and perfection have subtle difference in their > meaning. (I hope I took these English words right). > > Therefore it is better to be effective astrologer for people (what > Professor teaches us and about what all SA is), then only struggle to > be always perfect in our predictions. > > I hope you know what I mean. > > > All the best, > Paramjyoti dasa > > > > , dmk@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Vyas, you are funny. As she has been arrested, I am not so sure she > will > > be speaking to me. And I do not think her family will be relaying > my messages. > > > > Lila > > > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > When the challenges are indicated like this, one has to see how it > will be > > expressed, especially as it's no so obvious. > > > > Let Ms Lila confirm the natal data. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:41 AM > > Re: Why thief? > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thank you for your insights. > > Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. > > > > But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief > > in blind reading. > > > > It is easy to be wise when we know the story. > > > > Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in > > one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper > > meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the > > strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of > > planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets > can > > change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I > > never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well > > and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. > > Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on > > planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the > > exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. > > > > Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few > > years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a > > thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by > > seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart > > what is not a big " art " . > > > > just my thought.. > > > > All the Best, > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not > > clear to > > > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that > the > > native > > > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, > and > > so is a > > > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in > > the 12H > > > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These > > combinations also > > > increases the chance of punishment. > > > > > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear > > considering the > > > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't > > think that > > > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going > through > > the > > > tools we use, systematically. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > - > > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > > > Why thief? > > > > > > > > > Lila and list members, > > > > > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this > person > > > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > > > > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of > dharma > > > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > > > > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not > necessary > > > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > > > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > > > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other > > significations > > > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > > > > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all > 6- > > > th house meanings? > > > > > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant > or > > > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor > > recently > > > said.. > > > > > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is > not > > > enough... > > > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under > Rahu > > > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > > > > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would > insist > > > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > > > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > > > > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other > > words > > > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon > as > > > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > > > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > > > > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think > it > > > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > > > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > > > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > > > > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for > instance, > > > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > > > conditions)). > > > > > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > > > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > > > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise > quite > > > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > > > > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > > > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > > > > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > > > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > > > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember > Mo > > > is also her 6th lord). > > > > > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > > > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > > > above meanings. > > > > > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from > > it. > > > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > > > > > > ===========End of original message text=========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Mr. Choudhry, Sir, I'm seeking some clarification, please. In my natal chart Rahu is in the 3rd house. Jupiter in the 3rd house and is in Rahu's orb. The 3rd Lord is in the 12th house. Am I a thief? Regards, Fraser. , <siha wrote: > > > Hello dear Paramjyoti, > > You understanding is right. > > Rahu employs all means manipulation, deceit and theft to satisfies its > selfishness and greed. > > Best wishes. > > > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Friday, August 03, 2007 12:31 AM > Re: Why thief? > > > Dear List, > > Just taking this topic from opposite site:: > > I remember once Professor said that astrology is not a TV when we > can see everything what is happening like on TV screen. > > Maybe we sometimes want to be to perfect and see everything from the > charts and to have ready answers on every life case. > > Karma can be very complex ..thus astrology also.. So great Thanks to > Professor who made it for us so easy to effectively Approach this > science what is very great GIFT. > > Effectiveness and perfection have subtle difference in their > meaning. (I hope I took these English words right). > > Therefore it is better to be effective astrologer for people (what > Professor teaches us and about what all SA is), then only struggle to > be always perfect in our predictions. > > I hope you know what I mean. > > > All the best, > Paramjyoti dasa > > > > , dmk@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Vyas, you are funny. As she has been arrested, I am not so sure she > will > > be speaking to me. And I do not think her family will be relaying > my messages. > > > > Lila > > > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > When the challenges are indicated like this, one has to see how it > will be > > expressed, especially as it's no so obvious. > > > > Let Ms Lila confirm the natal data. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:41 AM > > Re: Why thief? > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thank you for your insights. > > Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. > > > > But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief > > in blind reading. > > > > It is easy to be wise when we know the story. > > > > Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in > > one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper > > meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the > > strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of > > planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets > can > > change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I > > never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well > > and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. > > Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on > > planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the > > exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. > > > > Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few > > years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a > > thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by > > seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart > > what is not a big " art " . > > > > just my thought.. > > > > All the Best, > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not > > clear to > > > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that > the > > native > > > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, > and > > so is a > > > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in > > the 12H > > > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These > > combinations also > > > increases the chance of punishment. > > > > > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear > > considering the > > > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't > > think that > > > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going > through > > the > > > tools we use, systematically. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > - > > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > > > Why thief? > > > > > > > > > Lila and list members, > > > > > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this > person > > > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > > > > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of > dharma > > > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > > > > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not > necessary > > > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > > > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > > > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other > > significations > > > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > > > > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all > 6- > > > th house meanings? > > > > > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant > or > > > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor > > recently > > > said.. > > > > > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is > not > > > enough... > > > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under > Rahu > > > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > > > > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would > insist > > > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > > > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > > > > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other > > words > > > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon > as > > > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > > > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > > > > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think > it > > > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > > > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > > > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > > > > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for > instance, > > > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > > > conditions)). > > > > > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > > > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > > > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise > quite > > > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > > > > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > > > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > > > > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > > > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > > > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember > Mo > > > is also her 6th lord). > > > > > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > > > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > > > above meanings. > > > > > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from > > it. > > > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > > > > > > ===========End of original message text=========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Now wait a minute here. SA teaches that life happenings are predictable with SA tools. E.g., that a malefic subperiod will give more problems if the malefic planet is: Weak in infancy or old age afflicting or afflicted in a dusthana house on the MEP This person has allegedly stolen tens of thousand of dollars of merchandise (there is a videotaped confession), former employees have come forward to alledge her theft had been going on for the duration of her employee (nine years). It is no small thing, like a candy from a 5 and dime. I have read nothing about the effects of a malefic planet's subperiod being more dire if other planets are seated in the nakshatra of the malefic planet or if the Birth Ascendant is in the Malefic planet's nakshatra. It seems a bit mind bending to me. I thought SA did not give credence to bhindu points, ashtakavargas, nakshatras and the like. And that Dr. Professor has told us such things are useless complications, comparing them to the road around Delhi that goes round and round in circles and gets us no where. We should be able to see a thief of this magnitude and ongoing duration from the usual SA principles. In fact, you'd think it would leap out at us. I am not being disrespectful, I simply have a valid question about this " nakshatra of the subperiod lord coloring the other planets " being in opposition to what I have previously learned, and it's simplicity. Thank you. Lila Hello dear Paramjyoti, You understanding is right. Rahu employs all means manipulation, deceit and theft to satisfies its selfishness and greed. Best wishes. - " nitaybol " <nitaybol Friday, August 03, 2007 12:31 AM Re: Why thief? Dear List, Just taking this topic from opposite site:: I remember once Professor said that astrology is not a TV when we can see everything what is happening like on TV screen. Maybe we sometimes want to be to perfect and see everything from the charts and to have ready answers on every life case. Karma can be very complex ..thus astrology also.. So great Thanks to Professor who made it for us so easy to effectively Approach this science what is very great GIFT. Effectiveness and perfection have subtle difference in their meaning. (I hope I took these English words right). Therefore it is better to be effective astrologer for people (what Professor teaches us and about what all SA is), then only struggle to be always perfect in our predictions. I hope you know what I mean. All the best, Paramjyoti dasa , dmk wrote: > > > > Vyas, you are funny. As she has been arrested, I am not so sure she will > be speaking to me. And I do not think her family will be relaying my messages. > > Lila > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > When the challenges are indicated like this, one has to see how it will be > expressed, especially as it's no so obvious. > > Let Ms Lila confirm the natal data. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:41 AM > Re: Why thief? > > > Dear Vyas, > > Thank you for your insights. > Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. > > But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief > in blind reading. > > It is easy to be wise when we know the story. > > Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in > one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper > meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the > strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of > planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets can > change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I > never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well > and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. > Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on > planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the > exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. > > Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few > years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a > thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by > seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart > what is not a big " art " . > > just my thought.. > > All the Best, > > paramjyoti dasa > > > , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not > clear to > > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that the > native > > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, and > so is a > > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in > the 12H > > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These > combinations also > > increases the chance of punishment. > > > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear > considering the > > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't > think that > > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going through > the > > tools we use, systematically. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > > Why thief? > > > > > > Lila and list members, > > > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this person > > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of dharma > > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not necessary > > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other > significations > > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all 6- > > th house meanings? > > > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant or > > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor > recently > > said.. > > > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is not > > enough... > > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under Rahu > > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would insist > > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other > words > > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon as > > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think it > > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for instance, > > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > > conditions)). > > > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise quite > > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember Mo > > is also her 6th lord). > > > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > > above meanings. > > > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from > it. > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > ===========End of original message text=========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Hello dear Mr. Fraser, I have given the following three indications in this regard: 1. The close influence of Rahu on third, ascendant or tenth house can make one a thief. 2. The weakness of other planets can give the inclinations. 3. Rahu employs all means manipulation, deceit and theft to satisfies its selfishness and greed. Your chart is not covered with any of these. Your lord of ascendant is strong. Best wishes. - " fraser " <fraser Friday, August 03, 2007 7:34 PM Re: Why thief? Mr. Choudhry, Sir, I'm seeking some clarification, please. In my natal chart Rahu is in the 3rd house. Jupiter in the 3rd house and is in Rahu's orb. The 3rd Lord is in the 12th house. Am I a thief? Regards, Fraser. , <siha wrote: > > > Hello dear Paramjyoti, > > You understanding is right. > > Rahu employs all means manipulation, deceit and theft to satisfies its > selfishness and greed. > > Best wishes. > > > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Friday, August 03, 2007 12:31 AM > Re: Why thief? > > > Dear List, > > Just taking this topic from opposite site:: > > I remember once Professor said that astrology is not a TV when we > can see everything what is happening like on TV screen. > > Maybe we sometimes want to be to perfect and see everything from the > charts and to have ready answers on every life case. > > Karma can be very complex ..thus astrology also.. So great Thanks to > Professor who made it for us so easy to effectively Approach this > science what is very great GIFT. > > Effectiveness and perfection have subtle difference in their > meaning. (I hope I took these English words right). > > Therefore it is better to be effective astrologer for people (what > Professor teaches us and about what all SA is), then only struggle to > be always perfect in our predictions. > > I hope you know what I mean. > > > All the best, > Paramjyoti dasa > > > > , dmk@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Vyas, you are funny. As she has been arrested, I am not so sure she > will > > be speaking to me. And I do not think her family will be relaying > my messages. > > > > Lila > > > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > When the challenges are indicated like this, one has to see how it > will be > > expressed, especially as it's no so obvious. > > > > Let Ms Lila confirm the natal data. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:41 AM > > Re: Why thief? > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thank you for your insights. > > Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. > > > > But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief > > in blind reading. > > > > It is easy to be wise when we know the story. > > > > Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in > > one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper > > meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the > > strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of > > planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets > can > > change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I > > never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well > > and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. > > Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on > > planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the > > exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. > > > > Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few > > years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a > > thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by > > seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart > > what is not a big " art " . > > > > just my thought.. > > > > All the Best, > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not > > clear to > > > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that > the > > native > > > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, > and > > so is a > > > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in > > the 12H > > > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These > > combinations also > > > increases the chance of punishment. > > > > > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear > > considering the > > > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't > > think that > > > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going > through > > the > > > tools we use, systematically. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > - > > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > > > Why thief? > > > > > > > > > Lila and list members, > > > > > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this > person > > > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > > > > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of > dharma > > > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > > > > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not > necessary > > > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > > > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > > > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other > > significations > > > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > > > > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all > 6- > > > th house meanings? > > > > > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant > or > > > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor > > recently > > > said.. > > > > > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is > not > > > enough... > > > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under > Rahu > > > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > > > > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would > insist > > > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > > > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > > > > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other > > words > > > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon > as > > > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > > > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > > > > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think > it > > > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > > > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > > > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > > > > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for > instance, > > > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > > > conditions)). > > > > > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > > > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > > > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise > quite > > > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > > > > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > > > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > > > > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > > > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > > > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember > Mo > > > is also her 6th lord). > > > > > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > > > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > > > above meanings. > > > > > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from > > it. > > > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > > > > > > ===========End of original message text=========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Hello Lila, You are absolutely right in saying " I thought SA did not give credence to bhindu points, ashtakavargas, nakshatras and the like. And that Dr. Professor has told us such things are useless complications, comparing them to the road around Delhi that goes round and round in circles and gets us no where. " Besides, the indications earlier given about a thief, the strong influence of Rahu on any weak planet can make the temptation for significations of Rahu during the sub period(s) of afflicting and afflicted planets - as affliction to Mercury in this case. Best wishes. - <dmk Friday, August 03, 2007 10:25 PM Re: Re: Why thief? Now wait a minute here. SA teaches that life happenings are predictable with SA tools. E.g., that a malefic subperiod will give more problems if the malefic planet is: Weak in infancy or old age afflicting or afflicted in a dusthana house on the MEP This person has allegedly stolen tens of thousand of dollars of merchandise (there is a videotaped confession), former employees have come forward to alledge her theft had been going on for the duration of her employee (nine years). It is no small thing, like a candy from a 5 and dime. I have read nothing about the effects of a malefic planet's subperiod being more dire if other planets are seated in the nakshatra of the malefic planet or if the Birth Ascendant is in the Malefic planet's nakshatra. It seems a bit mind bending to me. I thought SA did not give credence to bhindu points, ashtakavargas, nakshatras and the like. And that Dr. Professor has told us such things are useless complications, comparing them to the road around Delhi that goes round and round in circles and gets us no where. We should be able to see a thief of this magnitude and ongoing duration from the usual SA principles. In fact, you'd think it would leap out at us. I am not being disrespectful, I simply have a valid question about this " nakshatra of the subperiod lord coloring the other planets " being in opposition to what I have previously learned, and it's simplicity. Thank you. Lila Hello dear Paramjyoti, You understanding is right. Rahu employs all means manipulation, deceit and theft to satisfies its selfishness and greed. Best wishes. - " nitaybol " <nitaybol Friday, August 03, 2007 12:31 AM Re: Why thief? Dear List, Just taking this topic from opposite site:: I remember once Professor said that astrology is not a TV when we can see everything what is happening like on TV screen. Maybe we sometimes want to be to perfect and see everything from the charts and to have ready answers on every life case. Karma can be very complex ..thus astrology also.. So great Thanks to Professor who made it for us so easy to effectively Approach this science what is very great GIFT. Effectiveness and perfection have subtle difference in their meaning. (I hope I took these English words right). Therefore it is better to be effective astrologer for people (what Professor teaches us and about what all SA is), then only struggle to be always perfect in our predictions. I hope you know what I mean. All the best, Paramjyoti dasa , dmk wrote: > > > > Vyas, you are funny. As she has been arrested, I am not so sure she will > be speaking to me. And I do not think her family will be relaying my messages. > > Lila > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > When the challenges are indicated like this, one has to see how it will be > expressed, especially as it's no so obvious. > > Let Ms Lila confirm the natal data. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:41 AM > Re: Why thief? > > > Dear Vyas, > > Thank you for your insights. > Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. > > But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief > in blind reading. > > It is easy to be wise when we know the story. > > Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in > one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper > meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the > strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of > planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets can > change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I > never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well > and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. > Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on > planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the > exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. > > Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few > years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a > thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by > seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart > what is not a big " art " . > > just my thought.. > > All the Best, > > paramjyoti dasa > > > , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not > clear to > > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that the > native > > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, and > so is a > > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in > the 12H > > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These > combinations also > > increases the chance of punishment. > > > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear > considering the > > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't > think that > > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going through > the > > tools we use, systematically. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > > Why thief? > > > > > > Lila and list members, > > > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this person > > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of dharma > > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not necessary > > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other > significations > > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all 6- > > th house meanings? > > > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant or > > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor > recently > > said.. > > > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is not > > enough... > > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under Rahu > > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would insist > > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other > words > > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon as > > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think it > > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for instance, > > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > > conditions)). > > > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise quite > > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember Mo > > is also her 6th lord). > > > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > > above meanings. > > > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from > it. > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > ===========End of original message text=========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 My Dear Professor, Thank you so much for clearing that up! I was sincerely worried. I thought I had entered some SA twilight zone of " I before E except after C and also in neighbor and weigh " type of thing. This is hilarious! You realize that Rahu is significator for lingerie and that is what she stole. And RA is seated in the 12 house of lingerie, no less! Lila Hello Lila, You are absolutely right in saying " I thought SA did not give credence to bhindu points, ashtakavargas, nakshatras and the like. And that Dr. Professor has told us such things are useless complications, comparing them to the road around Delhi that goes round and round in circles and gets us no where. " Besides, the indications earlier given about a thief, the strong influence of Rahu on any weak planet can make the temptation for significations of Rahu during the sub period(s) of afflicting and afflicted planets - as affliction to Mercury in this case. Best wishes. - <dmk Friday, August 03, 2007 10:25 PM Re: Re: Why thief? Now wait a minute here. SA teaches that life happenings are predictable with SA tools. E.g., that a malefic subperiod will give more problems if the malefic planet is: Weak in infancy or old age afflicting or afflicted in a dusthana house on the MEP This person has allegedly stolen tens of thousand of dollars of merchandise (there is a videotaped confession), former employees have come forward to alledge her theft had been going on for the duration of her employee (nine years). It is no small thing, like a candy from a 5 and dime. I have read nothing about the effects of a malefic planet's subperiod being more dire if other planets are seated in the nakshatra of the malefic planet or if the Birth Ascendant is in the Malefic planet's nakshatra. It seems a bit mind bending to me. I thought SA did not give credence to bhindu points, ashtakavargas, nakshatras and the like. And that Dr. Professor has told us such things are useless complications, comparing them to the road around Delhi that goes round and round in circles and gets us no where. We should be able to see a thief of this magnitude and ongoing duration from the usual SA principles. In fact, you'd think it would leap out at us. I am not being disrespectful, I simply have a valid question about this " nakshatra of the subperiod lord coloring the other planets " being in opposition to what I have previously learned, and it's simplicity. Thank you. Lila Hello dear Paramjyoti, You understanding is right. Rahu employs all means manipulation, deceit and theft to satisfies its selfishness and greed. Best wishes. - " nitaybol " <nitaybol Friday, August 03, 2007 12:31 AM Re: Why thief? Dear List, Just taking this topic from opposite site:: I remember once Professor said that astrology is not a TV when we can see everything what is happening like on TV screen. Maybe we sometimes want to be to perfect and see everything from the charts and to have ready answers on every life case. Karma can be very complex ..thus astrology also.. So great Thanks to Professor who made it for us so easy to effectively Approach this science what is very great GIFT. Effectiveness and perfection have subtle difference in their meaning. (I hope I took these English words right). Therefore it is better to be effective astrologer for people (what Professor teaches us and about what all SA is), then only struggle to be always perfect in our predictions. I hope you know what I mean. All the best, Paramjyoti dasa , dmk wrote: > > > > Vyas, you are funny. As she has been arrested, I am not so sure she will > be speaking to me. And I do not think her family will be relaying my messages. > > Lila > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > When the challenges are indicated like this, one has to see how it will be > expressed, especially as it's no so obvious. > > Let Ms Lila confirm the natal data. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:41 AM > Re: Why thief? > > > Dear Vyas, > > Thank you for your insights. > Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. > > But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief > in blind reading. > > It is easy to be wise when we know the story. > > Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in > one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper > meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the > strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of > planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets can > change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I > never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well > and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. > Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on > planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the > exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. > > Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few > years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a > thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by > seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart > what is not a big " art " . > > just my thought.. > > All the Best, > > paramjyoti dasa > > > , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not > clear to > > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that the > native > > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, and > so is a > > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in > the 12H > > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These > combinations also > > increases the chance of punishment. > > > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear > considering the > > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't > think that > > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going through > the > > tools we use, systematically. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > > Why thief? > > > > > > Lila and list members, > > > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this person > > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of dharma > > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not necessary > > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other > significations > > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all 6- > > th house meanings? > > > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant or > > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor > recently > > said.. > > > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is not > > enough... > > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under Rahu > > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would insist > > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other > words > > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon as > > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think it > > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for instance, > > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > > conditions)). > > > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise quite > > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember Mo > > is also her 6th lord). > > > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > > above meanings. > > > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from > it. > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > ===========End of original message text=========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Dear Lila, You are right. SA is enough. Your computer needs to know exact point of Birth Nakshatra for calculation current Periods and sub-periods of Dasa system. (to be concise it is not nakshatra placed in ascendant as you stated, but nakshatra where the natal Moon is) Deeper meanings of Birth Nakshatra surely are not part of SA so do not worry. paramjyoti dasa , dmk wrote: > > > My Dear Professor, > > Thank you so much for clearing that up! I was sincerely worried. I > thought I had entered some SA twilight zone of " I before E except after > C and also in neighbor and weigh " type of thing. > > This is hilarious! You realize that Rahu is significator for lingerie and > that is what she stole. And RA is seated in the 12 house of lingerie, no less! > > Lila > > > > Hello Lila, > > You are absolutely right in saying " I thought SA did not give credence to > bhindu points, ashtakavargas, > nakshatras and the like. And that Dr. Professor has told us such things > are useless complications, comparing them to the road around Delhi that > goes round and round in circles and gets us no where. " > > Besides, the indications earlier given about a thief, the strong influence > of Rahu on any weak planet can make the temptation for significations of > Rahu during the sub period(s) of afflicting and afflicted planets - as > affliction to Mercury in this case. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > <dmk > > Friday, August 03, 2007 10:25 PM > Re: Re: Why thief? > > > > Now wait a minute here. SA teaches that life happenings are predictable > with SA tools. E.g., that a malefic subperiod will give more problems if > the malefic planet is: > > Weak in infancy or old age > afflicting or afflicted > in a dusthana house > on the MEP > > This person has allegedly stolen tens of thousand of dollars of > merchandise (there is a videotaped confession), former employees have > come forward to alledge her theft had been going on for the duration of > her employee (nine years). It is no small thing, like a candy from a 5 > and dime. > > I have read nothing about the effects of a malefic planet's subperiod > being more dire if other planets are seated in the nakshatra of the > malefic planet or if the Birth Ascendant is in the Malefic planet's > nakshatra. It seems a bit mind bending to me. > > I thought SA did not give credence to bhindu points, ashtakavargas, > nakshatras and the like. And that Dr. Professor has told us such things > are useless complications, comparing them to the road around Delhi that > goes round and round in circles and gets us no where. > > We should be able to see a thief of this magnitude and ongoing duration > from the usual SA principles. In fact, you'd think it would leap out at us. > > I am not being disrespectful, I simply have a valid question about this > " nakshatra of the subperiod lord coloring the other planets " being in > opposition to what I have previously learned, and it's simplicity. > > Thank you. > > Lila > > Hello dear Paramjyoti, > > You understanding is right. > > Rahu employs all means manipulation, deceit and theft to satisfies its > selfishness and greed. > > Best wishes. > > > > > - > " nitaybol " <nitaybol > > Friday, August 03, 2007 12:31 AM > Re: Why thief? > > > Dear List, > > Just taking this topic from opposite site:: > > I remember once Professor said that astrology is not a TV when we > can see everything what is happening like on TV screen. > > Maybe we sometimes want to be to perfect and see everything from the > charts and to have ready answers on every life case. > > Karma can be very complex ..thus astrology also.. So great Thanks to > Professor who made it for us so easy to effectively Approach this > science what is very great GIFT. > > Effectiveness and perfection have subtle difference in their > meaning. (I hope I took these English words right). > > Therefore it is better to be effective astrologer for people (what > Professor teaches us and about what all SA is), then only struggle to > be always perfect in our predictions. > > I hope you know what I mean. > > > All the best, > Paramjyoti dasa > > > > , dmk@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Vyas, you are funny. As she has been arrested, I am not so sure she > will > > be speaking to me. And I do not think her family will be relaying > my messages. > > > > Lila > > > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > When the challenges are indicated like this, one has to see how it > will be > > expressed, especially as it's no so obvious. > > > > Let Ms Lila confirm the natal data. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:41 AM > > Re: Why thief? > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > Thank you for your insights. > > Some of your points I already stated in my previous letter to Lila. > > > > But still I am not so sure how easy would be for you predict a thief > > in blind reading. > > > > It is easy to be wise when we know the story. > > > > Divisionals are very sensitive and changes quickly sometimes even in > > one minute of birth time change so reading from them " special deeper > > meanings " is very risky. They are good when you want to know the > > strength of planets in certain life areas (because placements of > > planets in signs in Dcharts does not change so rapidly as planets > can > > change their placement in house location in Dchart) , therefore I > > never use them for deeper meanings when I do not now the person well > > and I am not sure that the birth time is really nicely established. > > Otherwise looking for deeper meanings in Dcharts on the bases on > > planetary placements in houses in Dcharts without being sure of the > > exact birth time can lead to many dreadful mistakes. > > > > Therefore I still think this chart is not easy to predict of few > > years theft unless you are satisfied by seing " she CAN be a > > thief " ... " or by seing " there CAN be such influences " but by > > seing " CAN " we can predict almost unlimited things from one chart > > what is not a big " art " . > > > > just my thought.. > > > > All the Best, > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Paramjyoti dasa, > > > > > > You are correct. On first inspection of the Rashi chart, it is not > > clear to > > > understand that this person is a thief. One would conclude that > the > > native > > > can like face trouble from the state, imprisonment is possible, > and > > so is a > > > bad reputation. The 8H also represents theft - the 8L conj Rahu in > > the 12H > > > inflames this and other undesirable characteristics. These > > combinations also > > > increases the chance of punishment. > > > > > > If we check the D10 and D3 charts, thivery becomes clear > > considering the > > > significations of a theif that the Professor has stated. I don't > > think that > > > one needs to start examining nakshatras without first going > through > > the > > > tools we use, systematically. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > - > > > " nitaybol " <nitaybol@> > > > > > > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:48 AM > > > Why thief? > > > > > > > > > Lila and list members, > > > > > > I am not so sure how many SA astrologers would predict this > person > > > as a thief during blind reading without knowing the real story.. > > > > > > It is because of beneficial aspect of Jupiter - planet of > dharma > > > and ethic on 3L of initiatives. > > > > > > Jupiter looks very strong and benefical. Such picture not > necessary > > > makes one a thief for the long years...this 3H-6H relation also in > > > the same way can indicates some quarrels, some difficulties in > > > initiatives, enemies, quarrelsome nature, or any other > > significations > > > of 3H-6H relation...and not necessary the thief.... > > > > > > So why exactly theft was manifested so prominently between all > 6- > > > th house meanings? > > > > > > Also we do not see close Rahu influence on on third, ascendant > or > > > tenth house in natal- what can make one a thief as Professor > > recently > > > said.. > > > > > > Someone can say ..but she is in Ra subperiod- but surely it is > not > > > enough... > > > Someone else can say: " power of discrimination " (Me) is under > Rahu > > > conjunction- but this is also not enough to be a thief. > > > > > > Therefore there must be some additional factor which would > insist > > > on the " Celestial Thief- Rahu " influence as regard her ACTIONS or > > > INITIATIVES and general MENTALITY. > > > > > > I suppose it is her Birth Nakshatra ruled by Rahu. What other > > words > > > means that her mentality gets a lot of Rahu influence. The Moon > as > > > the 6th lord gets the same. So after considering this it is much > > > easier to see her theft mentality and actions... > > > > > > . . I know it is not strictly according to SA, but I do not think > it > > > is wrong to use other traditional techniques which can help to see > > > deeper meanings of the chart- provided it is done AFTER proper > > > estimation the chart as per all important SA rules. > > > > > > (As I know Professor advises the same with the yogas for > instance, > > > where traditional yogas can be used by astrologer under certain > > > conditions)). > > > > > > So her natal Moon is in Rahu nakshatra what reveals to deeper > > > extend her mentality- here influence of adharmic Rahu can be seen > > > what is quite opposed to above mentioned results of otherwise > quite > > > controversial in this case JU-3L aspect. > > > > > > Her Moon (6L) (and being thus " coloured " by Rahu influence) and > > > her 3-rd lord made mutual aspect between each other.. > > > > > > It can be an answer and the " bridge " to understand more Rahu > > > influence and " theft " in her chart and the reason WHY theft was so > > > prominent between ALL other 6-th house meanings. (please remember > Mo > > > is also her 6th lord). > > > > > > Just now she is in Rahu sub-period what brings presently stronger > > > overall Rahu influence in the chart.. what can stronger indicate > > > above meanings. > > > > > > Lila- thank you again for the chart- there is a lot to learn from > > it. > > > > > > paramjyoti dasa > > > > > > > > > > > ===========End of original message text=========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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