Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Very good analytical work, Matt! Ok, so I went to the courthouse. And I was wrong. In surrounding counties they did not list birth times. But in Fairfield they did. So I pick up this big huge book with many years of birth and immediately find hers. Yes, 7:58. All the other births in the book have AM or PM neatly typed beside the time. This one does not. I asked the courthouse staff to help. They said they couldn't tell. Whoever typed out the birth record years ago simply forget to put in AM or PM. As my brain does not have the stamina or analytical power the a lot of other people's do, I tend to look at things simply. She been married three times and is only 35. OK, OK, so she did not divorce the second one, and the third is only live in. The first husband was violent and beat her. The second would not sleep in the marital bedroom. The third...well, we did not know he existed. We all thought she lived with a husband named John in a county named Smith. When the police picked her up, they informed us she lived with a guy named Bill in a county named Jones. More than that, they informed us that she had left the residence/husband one full year before. None of us had ever heard of this guy and were in a complete state of shock. She still spoke of the husband/residence as the current ones. The secretive/disturbed marital bond and the fact that she had a strong desire to work in the field of lingerie tell me that the AM chart with the RA/ME 8L dogfight in 12H is the correct one. I think it is time Dr. Professor to straighten us out and give us his insights. Dr. Professor, would you kindly tell us: A) Your analysis of this chart. B) Do you think AM or PM? Thank you for letting us discuss this fascinating case on your SATVA101 list. Lila Lila, Thanks. Your interest will have to decide if the trip is worth it. In considering a possible PM birth, which is hypothetical, I pushed the TOB to 7:54pm (from 7:52) to correlate the arrest with the change to Mercury bhukti. A reading would go as follows: Lagna lord in 6th connects her strongly to disputes and litigation and wouldn't be good for her health or that of her father. The 2nd lord Mercury in the 6th of disputes/litigation and afflicted by Rahu could show her reputation/status coming into question from litigation/disputes. It would also create disputes with immediate family members and further reduce health (Mercury significations of the 2nd like mouth/throat and also respiratory). Accumulated wealth could be the subject of litigation etc.. The 3rd lord Venus in the 8th shows that her initiatives and actions would not be protected by Venus and therefore subject to other malefic influences. The Moon resides in Venus' 3rd house of initiatives, as the 12th lord MMP, and closely afflicts Mars which has some bearing on morality as the infant 9th lord. Jupiter is well-placed in its own mooltrikona house in full strength in the 5th and shows intelligence and does provide some cover to Mars by aspect. Saturn is well placed in the 10th house in full strength but doesn't create any aspects/conjunctions in the chart. It would protect the marriage and relationships, however. Mars is well-placed in its own mooltrikona, though infant, and having about 60% strength. Where the Moon is a quick moving malefic and would constantly be transiting over the weaknesses of Mercury (emotional mind), Venus (initiatives), the Sun (lagna) and Mars(morality/justice) I wonder if this created the influence to steal? As Mercury rules communications and speech, especially as 2nd lord, its placement with Rahu in the 6th also with the Sun should create a rather biting and caustic personality and manner of interaction. I might hazard a guess that she could be pretty foul-mouthed too though an argumentative nature is a far more likely outcome if the PM birth has any credence. From 1993 - July 2004 she ran the subperiods of either malefic or weak functional benefics. Saturn's subperiod then ran until just last month. The Mercury subperiod coincides with the arrest and litigation. Being placed in the 6th house with the nodal axis across the 6/12 houses, this makes sense for arrest and incarceration. I wonder if any of these indications " fit " ? It's a good exercise because the planets placed in the 12th house of the original chart obviously go to the 6th as a mirror image and many significations remain negative/weak. The difference I see in the PM-based chart is the LACK of positive impact of functional benefics Jupiter and Saturn on the MEPs of the 3rd and ascendant. In the AM-chart, these benefic influences should have kept her on the right side of the law, in my opinion. I am not suggesting you or list members give this serious thought. Excellent analysis has already been provided by you and others. I was just exercising my curiosity... Warm regards, Matt , dmk wrote: > > > > She gave me her birth data years before. And she said it was am. > Although it is a thought. I can go the courthouse to look up data, but in > Fairfield I do not think they record the time of birth, or at least did > not in the 70's and 80's. > > Lila > TRUNCATED ===========End of original message text=========== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Lila, Thanks for the leg work! Given the divorces and strained relationships I think we are looking at an AM birth as originally suggested by you(7 and 8th lords in the 12th and 8th afflicted by Rahu). Well, I have fun and had my mental SA workout for the day! Warm regards, Matt , dmk wrote: > > > Very good analytical work, Matt! > > Ok, so I went to the courthouse. And I was wrong. In surrounding counties > they did not list birth times. But in Fairfield they did. So I pick up > this big huge book with many years of birth and immediately find hers. > Yes, 7:58. All the other births in the book have AM or PM neatly typed > beside the time. This one does not. I asked the courthouse staff to help. > They said they couldn't tell. Whoever typed out the birth record years > ago simply forget to put in AM or PM. > > As my brain does not have the stamina or analytical power the a lot of > other people's do, I tend to look at things simply. > > She been married three times and is only 35. OK, OK, so she did not > divorce the second one, and the third is only live in. The first husband > was violent and beat her. The second would not sleep in the marital > bedroom. The third...well, we did not know he existed. We all thought she > lived with a husband named John in a county named Smith. When the police > picked her up, they informed us she lived with a guy named Bill in a > county named Jones. More than that, they informed us that she had left > the residence/husband one full year before. None of us had ever heard of > this guy and were in a complete state of shock. She still spoke of the > husband/residence as the current ones. > > The secretive/disturbed marital bond and the fact that she had a strong > desire to work in the field of lingerie tell me that the AM chart with > the RA/ME 8L dogfight in 12H is the correct one. > > I think it is time Dr. Professor to straighten us out and give us his > insights. Dr. Professor, would you kindly tell us: > > A) Your analysis of this chart. > B) Do you think AM or PM? > > Thank you for letting us discuss this fascinating case on your SATVA101 list. > > Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Lila, This new time makes much more sense in her thieving ways. And Rahu aspects Saturn's house which affects pleasures of the seventh house. Instead of incarceration it shows litigation, due to Mercury now in the sixth house, bhukti lord. Ketu disturbs marital house 12, dispositor is weak. It's in 3H, it's Lord is in 8H, sex house- lingerie fits. Sun in 6H, fits. 2L in 6H, husbands... Aloha, Sally Thanks.. On 8/2/07, dmk <dmk wrote: > > > Very good analytical work, Matt! > > Ok, so I went to the courthouse. And I was wrong. In surrounding counties > they did not list birth times. But in Fairfield they did. So I pick up > this big huge book with many years of birth and immediately find hers. > Yes, 7:58. All the other births in the book have AM or PM neatly typed > beside the time. This one does not. I asked the courthouse staff to help. > They said they couldn't tell. Whoever typed out the birth record years > ago simply forget to put in AM or PM. > > As my brain does not have the stamina or analytical power the a lot of > other people's do, I tend to look at things simply. > > She been married three times and is only 35. OK, OK, so she did not > divorce the second one, and the third is only live in. The first husband > was violent and beat her. The second would not sleep in the marital > bedroom. The third...well, we did not know he existed. We all thought she > lived with a husband named John in a county named Smith. When the police > picked her up, they informed us she lived with a guy named Bill in a > county named Jones. More than that, they informed us that she had left > the residence/husband one full year before. None of us had ever heard of > this guy and were in a complete state of shock. She still spoke of the > husband/residence as the current ones. > > The secretive/disturbed marital bond and the fact that she had a strong > desire to work in the field of lingerie tell me that the AM chart with > the RA/ME 8L dogfight in 12H is the correct one. > > I think it is time Dr. Professor to straighten us out and give us his > insights. Dr. Professor, would you kindly tell us: > > A) Your analysis of this chart. > B) Do you think AM or PM? > > Thank you for letting us discuss this fascinating case on your SATVA101 > list. > > Lila > > > > > > Lila, > > Thanks. Your interest will have to decide if the trip is worth it. > > In considering a possible PM birth, which is hypothetical, I pushed > the TOB to 7:54pm (from 7:52) to correlate the arrest with the change > to Mercury bhukti. > > A reading would go as follows: > > Lagna lord in 6th connects her strongly to disputes and litigation and > wouldn't be good for her health or that of her father. > > The 2nd lord Mercury in the 6th of disputes/litigation and afflicted > by Rahu could show her reputation/status coming into question from > litigation/disputes. It would also create disputes with immediate > family members and further reduce health (Mercury significations of > the 2nd like mouth/throat and also respiratory). Accumulated wealth > could be the subject of litigation etc.. > > The 3rd lord Venus in the 8th shows that her initiatives and actions > would not be protected by Venus and therefore subject to other malefic > influences. The Moon resides in Venus' 3rd house of initiatives, as > the 12th lord MMP, and closely afflicts Mars which has some bearing on > morality as the infant 9th lord. > > Jupiter is well-placed in its own mooltrikona house in full strength > in the 5th and shows intelligence and does provide some cover to Mars > by aspect. > > Saturn is well placed in the 10th house in full strength but doesn't > create any aspects/conjunctions in the chart. It would protect the > marriage and relationships, however. > > Mars is well-placed in its own mooltrikona, though infant, and having > about 60% strength. > > Where the Moon is a quick moving malefic and would constantly be > transiting over the weaknesses of Mercury (emotional mind), Venus > (initiatives), the Sun (lagna) and Mars(morality/justice) I wonder if > this created the influence to steal? > > As Mercury rules communications and speech, especially as 2nd lord, > its placement with Rahu in the 6th also with the Sun should create a > rather biting and caustic personality and manner of interaction. I > might hazard a guess that she could be pretty foul-mouthed too though > an argumentative nature is a far more likely outcome if the PM birth > has any credence. > > From 1993 - July 2004 she ran the subperiods of either malefic or weak > functional benefics. Saturn's subperiod then ran until just last > month. The Mercury subperiod coincides with the arrest and > litigation. Being placed in the 6th house with the nodal axis across > the 6/12 houses, this makes sense for arrest and incarceration. > > I wonder if any of these indications " fit " ? > > It's a good exercise because the planets placed in the 12th house of > the original chart obviously go to the 6th as a mirror image and many > significations remain negative/weak. > > The difference I see in the PM-based chart is the LACK of positive > impact of functional benefics Jupiter and Saturn on the MEPs of the > 3rd and ascendant. In the AM-chart, these benefic influences should > have kept her on the right side of the law, in my opinion. > > I am not suggesting you or list members give this serious thought. > Excellent analysis has already been provided by you and others. I was > just exercising my curiosity... > > Warm regards, > > Matt > > > , dmk wrote: > > > > > > > > She gave me her birth data years before. And she said it was am. > > Although it is a thought. I can go the courthouse to look up data, > but in > > Fairfield I do not think they record the time of birth, or at least did > > not in the 70's and 80's. > > > > Lila > > > TRUNCATED > > ===========End of original message text=========== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Lila, Also, Rahu now aspects Saturn which is in 10H, is natural 10H signifier so it fits Professor's description of a thief..Rahu on 10L. Aloha, Sally On 8/2/07, Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote: > > Lila, > > This new time makes much more sense in her thieving ways. > And Rahu aspects Saturn's house which affects pleasures of the seventh > house. > > Instead of incarceration it shows litigation, due to Mercury now in the > sixth house, bhukti lord. > > Ketu disturbs marital house 12, dispositor is weak. It's in 3H, it's Lord > is in 8H, sex house- lingerie fits. > > Sun in 6H, fits. > > 2L in 6H, husbands... > > Aloha, > > Sally > > Thanks.. > > On 8/2/07, dmk <dmk wrote: > > > > > > Very good analytical work, Matt! > > > > Ok, so I went to the courthouse. And I was wrong. In surrounding > > counties > > they did not list birth times. But in Fairfield they did. So I pick up > > this big huge book with many years of birth and immediately find hers. > > Yes, 7:58. All the other births in the book have AM or PM neatly typed > > beside the time. This one does not. I asked the courthouse staff to > > help. > > They said they couldn't tell. Whoever typed out the birth record years > > ago simply forget to put in AM or PM. > > > > As my brain does not have the stamina or analytical power the a lot of > > other people's do, I tend to look at things simply. > > > > She been married three times and is only 35. OK, OK, so she did not > > divorce the second one, and the third is only live in. The first husband > > was violent and beat her. The second would not sleep in the marital > > bedroom. The third...well, we did not know he existed. We all thought > > she > > lived with a husband named John in a county named Smith. When the police > > picked her up, they informed us she lived with a guy named Bill in a > > county named Jones. More than that, they informed us that she had left > > the residence/husband one full year before. None of us had ever heard of > > this guy and were in a complete state of shock. She still spoke of the > > husband/residence as the current ones. > > > > The secretive/disturbed marital bond and the fact that she had a strong > > desire to work in the field of lingerie tell me that the AM chart with > > the RA/ME 8L dogfight in 12H is the correct one. > > > > I think it is time Dr. Professor to straighten us out and give us his > > insights. Dr. Professor, would you kindly tell us: > > > > A) Your analysis of this chart. > > B) Do you think AM or PM? > > > > Thank you for letting us discuss this fascinating case on your SATVA101 > > list. > > > > Lila > > > > > > > > > > > > Lila, > > > > Thanks. Your interest will have to decide if the trip is worth it. > > > > In considering a possible PM birth, which is hypothetical, I pushed > > the TOB to 7:54pm (from 7:52) to correlate the arrest with the change > > to Mercury bhukti. > > > > A reading would go as follows: > > > > Lagna lord in 6th connects her strongly to disputes and litigation and > > wouldn't be good for her health or that of her father. > > > > The 2nd lord Mercury in the 6th of disputes/litigation and afflicted > > by Rahu could show her reputation/status coming into question from > > litigation/disputes. It would also create disputes with immediate > > family members and further reduce health (Mercury significations of > > the 2nd like mouth/throat and also respiratory). Accumulated wealth > > could be the subject of litigation etc.. > > > > The 3rd lord Venus in the 8th shows that her initiatives and actions > > would not be protected by Venus and therefore subject to other malefic > > influences. The Moon resides in Venus' 3rd house of initiatives, as > > the 12th lord MMP, and closely afflicts Mars which has some bearing on > > morality as the infant 9th lord. > > > > Jupiter is well-placed in its own mooltrikona house in full strength > > in the 5th and shows intelligence and does provide some cover to Mars > > by aspect. > > > > Saturn is well placed in the 10th house in full strength but doesn't > > create any aspects/conjunctions in the chart. It would protect the > > marriage and relationships, however. > > > > Mars is well-placed in its own mooltrikona, though infant, and having > > about 60% strength. > > > > Where the Moon is a quick moving malefic and would constantly be > > transiting over the weaknesses of Mercury (emotional mind), Venus > > (initiatives), the Sun (lagna) and Mars(morality/justice) I wonder if > > this created the influence to steal? > > > > As Mercury rules communications and speech, especially as 2nd lord, > > its placement with Rahu in the 6th also with the Sun should create a > > rather biting and caustic personality and manner of interaction. I > > might hazard a guess that she could be pretty foul-mouthed too though > > an argumentative nature is a far more likely outcome if the PM birth > > has any credence. > > > > From 1993 - July 2004 she ran the subperiods of either malefic or weak > > functional benefics. Saturn's subperiod then ran until just last > > month. The Mercury subperiod coincides with the arrest and > > litigation. Being placed in the 6th house with the nodal axis across > > the 6/12 houses, this makes sense for arrest and incarceration. > > > > I wonder if any of these indications " fit " ? > > > > It's a good exercise because the planets placed in the 12th house of > > the original chart obviously go to the 6th as a mirror image and many > > significations remain negative/weak. > > > > The difference I see in the PM-based chart is the LACK of positive > > impact of functional benefics Jupiter and Saturn on the MEPs of the > > 3rd and ascendant. In the AM-chart, these benefic influences should > > have kept her on the right side of the law, in my opinion. > > > > I am not suggesting you or list members give this serious thought. > > Excellent analysis has already been provided by you and others. I was > > just exercising my curiosity... > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Matt > > > > > > , dmk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > She gave me her birth data years before. And she said it was am. > > > Although it is a thought. I can go the courthouse to look up data, > > but in > > > Fairfield I do not think they record the time of birth, or at least > > did > > > not in the 70's and 80's. > > > > > > Lila > > > > > TRUNCATED > > > > ===========End of original message text=========== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Lila, This new time 7:58 AM is 6 minutes later then originally given 7: 52AM For me it is interesting in the light what I wrote in the first letter to you and cited below: " I think her chances to fail in lawsuit and her chances to end in jail in near future would be much, much more higher if she was born 7 minutes or more later. " It is 6 minutes not 7 , but still every birth takes some time and only God knows if exact birth time was written properly- so surely can be adjusted in few minutes range on both side of 7:58AM With this 6-7 minutes later time we see natal afflictions of Rahu to MEP of 12H, 8H and 6H , and Ketu to MEP of 3 other houses what makes this chart few times easier to read as regard her story Of course the story is going in USA so the jail maybe is not an option as in my country for such a sum stolen, but surely she will get serious consequences in her Rahu sub-period and present transit influences. (although still as you wrote earlier- a lot help is there from the current transits also- so surely these consequences will not be so severe as they could be otherwise). Again thanks for nice exercise going in real time paramjyoti dasa , dmk wrote: > > > Very good analytical work, Matt! > > Ok, so I went to the courthouse. And I was wrong. In surrounding counties > they did not list birth times. But in Fairfield they did. So I pick up > this big huge book with many years of birth and immediately find hers. > Yes, 7:58. All the other births in the book have AM or PM neatly typed > beside the time. This one does not. I asked the courthouse staff to help. > They said they couldn't tell. Whoever typed out the birth record years > ago simply forget to put in AM or PM. > > As my brain does not have the stamina or analytical power the a lot of > other people's do, I tend to look at things simply. > > She been married three times and is only 35. OK, OK, so she did not > divorce the second one, and the third is only live in. The first husband > was violent and beat her. The second would not sleep in the marital > bedroom. The third...well, we did not know he existed. We all thought she > lived with a husband named John in a county named Smith. When the police > picked her up, they informed us she lived with a guy named Bill in a > county named Jones. More than that, they informed us that she had left > the residence/husband one full year before. None of us had ever heard of > this guy and were in a complete state of shock. She still spoke of the > husband/residence as the current ones. > > The secretive/disturbed marital bond and the fact that she had a strong > desire to work in the field of lingerie tell me that the AM chart with > the RA/ME 8L dogfight in 12H is the correct one. > > I think it is time Dr. Professor to straighten us out and give us his > insights. Dr. Professor, would you kindly tell us: > > A) Your analysis of this chart. > B) Do you think AM or PM? > > Thank you for letting us discuss this fascinating case on your SATVA101 list. > > Lila > > > > > > Lila, > > Thanks. Your interest will have to decide if the trip is worth it. > > In considering a possible PM birth, which is hypothetical, I pushed > the TOB to 7:54pm (from 7:52) to correlate the arrest with the change > to Mercury bhukti. > > A reading would go as follows: > > Lagna lord in 6th connects her strongly to disputes and litigation and > wouldn't be good for her health or that of her father. > > The 2nd lord Mercury in the 6th of disputes/litigation and afflicted > by Rahu could show her reputation/status coming into question from > litigation/disputes. It would also create disputes with immediate > family members and further reduce health (Mercury significations of > the 2nd like mouth/throat and also respiratory). Accumulated wealth > could be the subject of litigation etc.. > > The 3rd lord Venus in the 8th shows that her initiatives and actions > would not be protected by Venus and therefore subject to other malefic > influences. The Moon resides in Venus' 3rd house of initiatives, as > the 12th lord MMP, and closely afflicts Mars which has some bearing on > morality as the infant 9th lord. > > Jupiter is well-placed in its own mooltrikona house in full strength > in the 5th and shows intelligence and does provide some cover to Mars > by aspect. > > Saturn is well placed in the 10th house in full strength but doesn't > create any aspects/conjunctions in the chart. It would protect the > marriage and relationships, however. > > Mars is well-placed in its own mooltrikona, though infant, and having > about 60% strength. > > Where the Moon is a quick moving malefic and would constantly be > transiting over the weaknesses of Mercury (emotional mind), Venus > (initiatives), the Sun (lagna) and Mars(morality/justice) I wonder if > this created the influence to steal? > > As Mercury rules communications and speech, especially as 2nd lord, > its placement with Rahu in the 6th also with the Sun should create a > rather biting and caustic personality and manner of interaction. I > might hazard a guess that she could be pretty foul-mouthed too though > an argumentative nature is a far more likely outcome if the PM birth > has any credence. > > From 1993 - July 2004 she ran the subperiods of either malefic or weak > functional benefics. Saturn's subperiod then ran until just last > month. The Mercury subperiod coincides with the arrest and > litigation. Being placed in the 6th house with the nodal axis across > the 6/12 houses, this makes sense for arrest and incarceration. > > I wonder if any of these indications " fit " ? > > It's a good exercise because the planets placed in the 12th house of > the original chart obviously go to the 6th as a mirror image and many > significations remain negative/weak. > > The difference I see in the PM-based chart is the LACK of positive > impact of functional benefics Jupiter and Saturn on the MEPs of the > 3rd and ascendant. In the AM-chart, these benefic influences should > have kept her on the right side of the law, in my opinion. > > I am not suggesting you or list members give this serious thought. > Excellent analysis has already been provided by you and others. I was > just exercising my curiosity... > > Warm regards, > > Matt > > > , dmk@ wrote: > > > > > > > > She gave me her birth data years before. And she said it was am. > > Although it is a thought. I can go the courthouse to look up data, > but in > > Fairfield I do not think they record the time of birth, or at least did > > not in the 70's and 80's. > > > > Lila > > > TRUNCATED > > ===========End of original message text=========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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