Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Hello, I was reading the review of the recent movie on Gandhiji and read that his relations with his sons were not good, in fact he neglected them. I was intrigued and made the horoscope of Gandhiji. The fifth house is aspected by the FM SATURN, his own house. Besides that KETU is posited in the 5th house, too. Even MARS does the same and he is FM. So this was destined. But I do not understand which planets contributed to his sudden death by a bullet. Please advise. Thank you Narendra. Mahatama Gandhi Oct 2, 1869 7:11 AM -05:30 INT Porbandar, India Longitude: 69E36 Latitude: 21N38 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:02 Current Period: VE/RA/RA Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 22:41 Vir Hasta Mo Sun 16:51 Vir +00:59:07 FM Hasta Mo Moon 27:24 Can +14:24:14 WK Aslesha Me Mars 26:20 Lib +00:41:52 FM Vishakha Ju Merc 11:42 Lib +00:37:23 WK Swati Ra JuptR 28:08 Ari -00:04:21 WK Krittika Su Ven 24:21 Lib +01:11:39 WK Vishakha Ju Sat 20:19 Sco +00:04:21 FM Jyeshtha Me Rahu 13:38 Can -00:01:42 FM Pushya Sa Ketu 13:38 Cap -00:01:42 FM Shravana Mo True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 112 beats Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:45 AM Tithi: Krishna Ekadashi Yoga Pt: 17:35 Ar Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Ma Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 7 * * 5 ** *8 * * * * * * * * * * * * * ME 11:42 * * * * * VE 24:21* * * * * MA 26:20 SU 16:51 * * RA 13:38* *SA 20:19 * 6 AS 22:41 * 4 MO 27:24* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *9 * 3 * ** * * ** *10* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *KE 13:38 * 12 * 2 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUR28:08 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 11 * * 1 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 5 * * 3 ** *6 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SU * * * * * * * MA * * * 4 AS * 2 VE * * * * * * KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *7 * 1 * ** * * ** *8 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ME * * * *RA * 10 SA * 12 MO * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUR * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 9 * * 11 ** ******************************************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 I am not very sure if FM planet will harm its own house. , " naren.dra1 " <naren.dra wrote: > > > Hello, > > I was reading the review of the recent movie on Gandhiji and read that > his relations with his sons were not good, in fact he neglected them. > > I was intrigued and made the horoscope of Gandhiji. > > The fifth house is aspected by the FM SATURN, his own house. Besides > that KETU is posited in the 5th house, too. Even MARS does the same > and he is FM. So this was destined. > > But I do not understand which planets contributed to his sudden death > by a bullet. > > > Please advise. > > Thank you > > Narendra. > > > Mahatama Gandhi > > > Oct 2, 1869 7:11 AM -05:30 INT > Porbandar, India Longitude: 69E36 Latitude: 21N38 > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:02 Current Period: VE/RA/RA > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > ================================================ > Asc 22:41 Vir Hasta Mo > Sun 16:51 Vir +00:59:07 FM Hasta Mo > Moon 27:24 Can +14:24:14 WK Aslesha Me > Mars 26:20 Lib +00:41:52 FM Vishakha Ju > Merc 11:42 Lib +00:37:23 WK Swati Ra > JuptR 28:08 Ari -00:04:21 WK Krittika Su > Ven 24:21 Lib +01:11:39 WK Vishakha Ju > Sat 20:19 Sco +00:04:21 FM Jyeshtha Me > Rahu 13:38 Can -00:01:42 FM Pushya Sa > Ketu 13:38 Cap -00:01:42 FM Shravana Mo > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 112 beats > Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:45 AM > Tithi: Krishna Ekadashi > Yoga Pt: 17:35 Ar Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Ma > Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis > > Rashi Chart > ******************************************************* > ** 7 * * 5 ** > *8 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * ME 11:42 * * * * > * VE 24:21* * * * > * MA 26:20 SU 16:51 * * RA 13:38* > *SA 20:19 * 6 AS 22:41 * 4 MO 27:24* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *9 * 3 * > ** * * ** > *10* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > *KE 13:38 * 12 * 2 * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * JUR28:08 * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 11 * * 1 ** > ******************************************************* > > Navamsha > ******************************************************* > ** 5 * * 3 ** > *6 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * SU * * > * * * * * MA * > * * 4 AS * 2 VE * > * * * * * KE * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *7 * 1 * > ** * * ** > *8 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * ME * * * > *RA * 10 SA * 12 MO * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * JUR * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 9 * * 11 ** > ******************************************************* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Hello Narendra: My understanding is that a transit FM malefic never afflicts it's own MT house ... please correct me on that or another list member, if I am wrong ... My research indicates that Mahatma Gandhi was shot 3 times in the chest area on January 30, 1948 ... Natal Mars is aspecting back onto natal Jupiter which is weak by placement in the 8th house and is in old age ... Mars rules the 8th house of death experiences and as a FM it can be a planet of violence/wounds ... natal Jupiter rules the 4th house which is in body significations is the house of the chest area ... Also the natal Sun in his chart though well placed and strong in degree is under a close aspect from natal FM Ketu ... among its particular significations, the Sun represents end of life issues for Virgos ... in the general significations the Sun represents the heart area of the body ... Ketu is another FM that can bring violence/wounds through affliction ... On January 30, 1948 Mahatma Gandhi was in his Jupiter/Ketu period ... transit Rahu/Ketu axis was at 26 degrees in Aries/Libra afflicting natal Mars and natal Jupiter as well as the MEPs of the houses concerned ... I think the Ketu subperiod and its transit afflictions are very prominent for this tragedy to occur ... Also, transit Saturn was at 26 degrees in Cancer bringing conflicts to the Moon ruling the 11th house, the MEP's of the 11th, 1st, 5th and 8th houses as well as the natal planet Jupiter ... his transit Sun was at 16 degrees in the 5th house (within the 5 degree orb of his natal Rahu/Ketu axis which would bring in vulnerability regarding the significations I previously mentioned for the Sun)... Transit Mercury ruling the entire chart was at the time of death in the 6th house of conflict and enemies and very weak at 2 degrees ... I hope this is of help for your question, Narendra, and I thank you for posting an interesting subject ... Any corrections or further input from other list members is most appreciated ... Best Wishes, Mew , " naren.dra1 " <naren.dra wrote: > > > Hello, > > I was reading the review of the recent movie on Gandhiji and read that > his relations with his sons were not good, in fact he neglected them. > > I was intrigued and made the horoscope of Gandhiji. > > The fifth house is aspected by the FM SATURN, his own house. Besides > that KETU is posited in the 5th house, too. Even MARS does the same > and he is FM. So this was destined. > > But I do not understand which planets contributed to his sudden death > by a bullet. > > > Please advise. > > Thank you > > Narendra. > > > Mahatama Gandhi > > > Oct 2, 1869 7:11 AM -05:30 INT > Porbandar, India Longitude: 69E36 Latitude: 21N38 > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:02 Current Period: VE/RA/RA > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > ================================================ > Asc 22:41 Vir Hasta Mo > Sun 16:51 Vir +00:59:07 FM Hasta Mo > Moon 27:24 Can +14:24:14 WK Aslesha Me > Mars 26:20 Lib +00:41:52 FM Vishakha Ju > Merc 11:42 Lib +00:37:23 WK Swati Ra > JuptR 28:08 Ari -00:04:21 WK Krittika Su > Ven 24:21 Lib +01:11:39 WK Vishakha Ju > Sat 20:19 Sco +00:04:21 FM Jyeshtha Me > Rahu 13:38 Can -00:01:42 FM Pushya Sa > Ketu 13:38 Cap -00:01:42 FM Shravana Mo > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 112 beats > Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:45 AM > Tithi: Krishna Ekadashi > Yoga Pt: 17:35 Ar Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Ma > Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis > > Rashi Chart > ******************************************************* > ** 7 * * 5 ** > *8 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * ME 11:42 * * * * > * VE 24:21* * * * > * MA 26:20 SU 16:51 * * RA 13:38* > *SA 20:19 * 6 AS 22:41 * 4 MO 27:24* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *9 * 3 * > ** * * ** > *10* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > *KE 13:38 * 12 * 2 * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * JUR28:08 * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 11 * * 1 ** > ******************************************************* > > Navamsha > ******************************************************* > ** 5 * * 3 ** > *6 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * SU * * > * * * * * MA * > * * 4 AS * 2 VE * > * * * * * KE * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *7 * 1 * > ** * * ** > *8 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * ME * * * > *RA * 10 SA * 12 MO * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * JUR * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 9 * * 11 ** > ******************************************************* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Hello Narendra and Mary, To your question, a functional malefic will afflict its own house if it aspects it from another malefic house. Also, please check the natal details. Use -04:38 LMT for this data, giving Libra 4:28 ASC. Note the natal potential: - the badly placed Sun in 12H is afflicted by Ketu (death came in the subperiod of Ke) - the wide aspect of the maelfics to the even house MEPs active in the later part of life, after 60 - (further understanding how weak the Sun is) H11 contains Leo; in D11 Leo rises with the Sun in H7, but dispositor Sa is in the 8H of death and endings and afflicted by Ke from the 12H ruling losses. There are numerous afflictions on the day in question showing the event. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Mary Ellen Wright " <wdwmew Friday, August 10, 2007 11:38 AM Re: The Movie: Gandhi, My Father. Hello Narendra: My understanding is that a transit FM malefic never afflicts it's own MT house ... please correct me on that or another list member, if I am wrong ... My research indicates that Mahatma Gandhi was shot 3 times in the chest area on January 30, 1948 ... Natal Mars is aspecting back onto natal Jupiter which is weak by placement in the 8th house and is in old age ... Mars rules the 8th house of death experiences and as a FM it can be a planet of violence/wounds ... natal Jupiter rules the 4th house which is in body significations is the house of the chest area ... Also the natal Sun in his chart though well placed and strong in degree is under a close aspect from natal FM Ketu ... among its particular significations, the Sun represents end of life issues for Virgos ... in the general significations the Sun represents the heart area of the body ... Ketu is another FM that can bring violence/wounds through affliction ... On January 30, 1948 Mahatma Gandhi was in his Jupiter/Ketu period ... transit Rahu/Ketu axis was at 26 degrees in Aries/Libra afflicting natal Mars and natal Jupiter as well as the MEPs of the houses concerned ... I think the Ketu subperiod and its transit afflictions are very prominent for this tragedy to occur ... Also, transit Saturn was at 26 degrees in Cancer bringing conflicts to the Moon ruling the 11th house, the MEP's of the 11th, 1st, 5th and 8th houses as well as the natal planet Jupiter ... his transit Sun was at 16 degrees in the 5th house (within the 5 degree orb of his natal Rahu/Ketu axis which would bring in vulnerability regarding the significations I previously mentioned for the Sun)... Transit Mercury ruling the entire chart was at the time of death in the 6th house of conflict and enemies and very weak at 2 degrees ... I hope this is of help for your question, Narendra, and I thank you for posting an interesting subject ... Any corrections or further input from other list members is most appreciated ... Best Wishes, Mew , " naren.dra1 " <naren.dra wrote: > > > Hello, > > I was reading the review of the recent movie on Gandhiji and read that > his relations with his sons were not good, in fact he neglected them. > > I was intrigued and made the horoscope of Gandhiji. > > The fifth house is aspected by the FM SATURN, his own house. Besides > that KETU is posited in the 5th house, too. Even MARS does the same > and he is FM. So this was destined. > > But I do not understand which planets contributed to his sudden death > by a bullet. > > > Please advise. > > Thank you > > Narendra. > > > Mahatama Gandhi > > > Oct 2, 1869 7:11 AM -05:30 INT > Porbandar, India Longitude: 69E36 Latitude: 21N38 > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:02 Current Period: VE/RA/RA > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > ================================================ > Asc 22:41 Vir Hasta Mo > Sun 16:51 Vir +00:59:07 FM Hasta Mo > Moon 27:24 Can +14:24:14 WK Aslesha Me > Mars 26:20 Lib +00:41:52 FM Vishakha Ju > Merc 11:42 Lib +00:37:23 WK Swati Ra > JuptR 28:08 Ari -00:04:21 WK Krittika Su > Ven 24:21 Lib +01:11:39 WK Vishakha Ju > Sat 20:19 Sco +00:04:21 FM Jyeshtha Me > Rahu 13:38 Can -00:01:42 FM Pushya Sa > Ketu 13:38 Cap -00:01:42 FM Shravana Mo > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 112 beats > Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:45 AM > Tithi: Krishna Ekadashi > Yoga Pt: 17:35 Ar Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Ma > Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis > > Rashi Chart > ******************************************************* > ** 7 * * 5 ** > *8 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * ME 11:42 * * * * > * VE 24:21* * * * > * MA 26:20 SU 16:51 * * RA 13:38* > *SA 20:19 * 6 AS 22:41 * 4 MO 27:24* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *9 * 3 * > ** * * ** > *10* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > *KE 13:38 * 12 * 2 * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * JUR28:08 * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 11 * * 1 ** > ******************************************************* > > Navamsha > ******************************************************* > ** 5 * * 3 ** > *6 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * SU * * > * * * * * MA * > * * 4 AS * 2 VE * > * * * * * KE * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *7 * 1 * > ** * * ** > *8 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * ME * * * > *RA * 10 SA * 12 MO * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * JUR * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 9 * * 11 ** > ******************************************************* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Hello, The FM planet will not harm its own house. In Gandhiji's chart the VIRGO is rising and therefore the 6th lord SATURN is FM. This SATURN is in the 3rd house of the chart and from here he aspects the fifth house that has the CAPRICORN sign which is SATURN's. I believe This SATURN would harm the fifth house/CAPRICORN. But then.........I can be wrong.Please advise. , " danraj_23 " <danraj_23 wrote: > > > I am not very sure if FM planet will harm its own house. > > , " naren.dra1 " <naren.dra@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I was reading the review of the recent movie on Gandhiji and read > that > > his relations with his sons were not good, in fact he neglected > them. > > > > I was intrigued and made the horoscope of Gandhiji. > > > > The fifth house is aspected by the FM SATURN, his own house. > Besides > > that KETU is posited in the 5th house, too. Even MARS does the same > > and he is FM. So this was destined. > > > > But I do not understand which planets contributed to his sudden > death > > by a bullet. > > > > > > Please advise. > > > > Thank you > > > > Narendra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatama Gandhi > > > > > > Oct 2, 1869 7:11 AM -05:30 INT > > Porbandar, India Longitude: 69E36 Latitude: 21N38 > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:02 Current Period: VE/RA/RA > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > > ================================================ > > Asc 22:41 Vir Hasta Mo > > Sun 16:51 Vir +00:59:07 FM Hasta Mo > > Moon 27:24 Can +14:24:14 WK Aslesha Me > > Mars 26:20 Lib +00:41:52 FM Vishakha Ju > > Merc 11:42 Lib +00:37:23 WK Swati Ra > > JuptR 28:08 Ari -00:04:21 WK Krittika Su > > Ven 24:21 Lib +01:11:39 WK Vishakha Ju > > Sat 20:19 Sco +00:04:21 FM Jyeshtha Me > > Rahu 13:38 Can -00:01:42 FM Pushya Sa > > Ketu 13:38 Cap -00:01:42 FM Shravana Mo > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 112 beats > > Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:45 AM > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadashi > > Yoga Pt: 17:35 Ar Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Ma > > Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis > > > > Rashi Chart > > ******************************************************* > > ** 7 * * 5 ** > > *8 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * ME 11:42 * * * * > > * VE 24:21* * * * > > * MA 26:20 SU 16:51 * * RA 13:38* > > *SA 20:19 * 6 AS 22:41 * 4 MO 27:24* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *9 * 3 * > > ** * * ** > > *10* * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *KE 13:38 * 12 * 2 * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * JUR28:08 * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 11 * * 1 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > > Navamsha > > ******************************************************* > > ** 5 * * 3 ** > > *6 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * SU * * > > * * * * * MA * > > * * 4 AS * 2 VE * > > * * * * * KE * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *7 * 1 * > > ** * * ** > > *8 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * ME * * * > > *RA * 10 SA * 12 MO * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * JUR * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 9 * * 11 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Thank you very much for your reply. The sounds of gunshots are still reverberating. And now this movie has come up. Gandhiji's India of villages are not better off than they were in his time.Only city dwellers have become richer .... But that is another matter! Which house in the chart of INDIA signifies villages? Regards. , " Mary Ellen Wright " <wdwmew wrote: > > Hello Narendra: > > My understanding is that a transit FM malefic never afflicts it's > own MT house ... please correct me on that or > another list member, if I am wrong ... > > My research indicates that Mahatma Gandhi was shot 3 times in the > chest area on January 30, 1948 ... > > Natal Mars is aspecting back onto natal Jupiter which is weak by > placement in the 8th house and is in old age ... Mars rules the 8th > house of death experiences and as a FM it can be a planet of > violence/wounds ... natal Jupiter rules the 4th house which is in > body significations is the house of the chest area ... > > Also the natal Sun in his chart though well placed and strong in > degree is under a close aspect from natal FM Ketu ... among its > particular significations, the Sun represents end of life issues for > Virgos ... in the general significations the Sun represents the > heart area of the body ... Ketu is another FM that can bring > violence/wounds through affliction ... > > On January 30, 1948 Mahatma Gandhi was in his Jupiter/Ketu > period ... transit Rahu/Ketu axis was at 26 degrees in Aries/Libra > afflicting natal Mars and natal Jupiter as well as the MEPs of the > houses concerned ... I think the Ketu subperiod and its transit > afflictions are very prominent for this tragedy to occur ... > > Also, transit Saturn was at 26 degrees in Cancer bringing conflicts > to the Moon ruling the 11th house, the MEP's of the 11th, 1st, 5th > and 8th houses as well as the natal planet Jupiter ... his transit > Sun was at 16 degrees in the 5th house (within the 5 degree orb of > his natal Rahu/Ketu axis which would bring in vulnerability > regarding the significations I previously mentioned for the Sun)... > > Transit Mercury ruling the entire chart was at the time of death in > the 6th house of conflict and enemies and very weak at 2 degrees ... > > I hope this is of help for your question, Narendra, and I thank you > for posting an interesting subject ... > > Any corrections or further input from other list members is most > appreciated ... > > Best Wishes, > > Mew > > , " naren.dra1 " <naren.dra@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I was reading the review of the recent movie on Gandhiji and read > that > > his relations with his sons were not good, in fact he neglected > them. > > > > I was intrigued and made the horoscope of Gandhiji. > > > > The fifth house is aspected by the FM SATURN, his own house. > Besides > > that KETU is posited in the 5th house, too. Even MARS does the same > > and he is FM. So this was destined. > > > > But I do not understand which planets contributed to his sudden > death > > by a bullet. > > > > > > Please advise. > > > > Thank you > > > > Narendra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatama Gandhi > > > > > > Oct 2, 1869 7:11 AM -05:30 INT > > Porbandar, India Longitude: 69E36 Latitude: 21N38 > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:02 Current Period: VE/RA/RA > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > > ================================================ > > Asc 22:41 Vir Hasta Mo > > Sun 16:51 Vir +00:59:07 FM Hasta Mo > > Moon 27:24 Can +14:24:14 WK Aslesha Me > > Mars 26:20 Lib +00:41:52 FM Vishakha Ju > > Merc 11:42 Lib +00:37:23 WK Swati Ra > > JuptR 28:08 Ari -00:04:21 WK Krittika Su > > Ven 24:21 Lib +01:11:39 WK Vishakha Ju > > Sat 20:19 Sco +00:04:21 FM Jyeshtha Me > > Rahu 13:38 Can -00:01:42 FM Pushya Sa > > Ketu 13:38 Cap -00:01:42 FM Shravana Mo > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 112 beats > > Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:45 AM > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadashi > > Yoga Pt: 17:35 Ar Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Ma > > Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis > > > > Rashi Chart > > ******************************************************* > > ** 7 * * 5 ** > > *8 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * ME 11:42 * * * * > > * VE 24:21* * * * > > * MA 26:20 SU 16:51 * * RA 13:38* > > *SA 20:19 * 6 AS 22:41 * 4 MO 27:24* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *9 * 3 * > > ** * * ** > > *10* * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *KE 13:38 * 12 * 2 * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * JUR28:08 * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 11 * * 1 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > > Navamsha > > ******************************************************* > > ** 5 * * 3 ** > > *6 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * SU * * > > * * * * * MA * > > * * 4 AS * 2 VE * > > * * * * * KE * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *7 * 1 * > > ** * * ** > > *8 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * ME * * * > > *RA * 10 SA * 12 MO * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * JUR * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 9 * * 11 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Also, please check the natal details. Use -04:38 LMT for this data, giving Libra 4:28 ASC. ThHank you very much for your reply, Vyas Munidas. I double checked PORBANDAR's LMT for 2/10/1869 and you are absolutely correct. I was using the latest/modern -5:30. Narendra. , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Hello Narendra and Mary, > > To your question, a functional malefic will afflict its own house if it > aspects it from another malefic house. > > Also, please check the natal details. Use -04:38 LMT for this data, giving > Libra 4:28 ASC. > > Note the natal potential: > - the badly placed Sun in 12H is afflicted by Ketu (death came in the > subperiod of Ke) > - the wide aspect of the maelfics to the even house MEPs active in the later > part of life, after 60 > - (further understanding how weak the Sun is) H11 contains Leo; in D11 Leo > rises with the Sun in H7, but dispositor Sa is in the 8H of death and > endings and afflicted by Ke from the 12H ruling losses. > > There are numerous afflictions on the day in question showing the event. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " Mary Ellen Wright " <wdwmew > > Friday, August 10, 2007 11:38 AM > Re: The Movie: Gandhi, My Father. > > > Hello Narendra: > > My understanding is that a transit FM malefic never afflicts it's > own MT house ... please correct me on that or > another list member, if I am wrong ... > > My research indicates that Mahatma Gandhi was shot 3 times in the > chest area on January 30, 1948 ... > > Natal Mars is aspecting back onto natal Jupiter which is weak by > placement in the 8th house and is in old age ... Mars rules the 8th > house of death experiences and as a FM it can be a planet of > violence/wounds ... natal Jupiter rules the 4th house which is in > body significations is the house of the chest area ... > > Also the natal Sun in his chart though well placed and strong in > degree is under a close aspect from natal FM Ketu ... among its > particular significations, the Sun represents end of life issues for > Virgos ... in the general significations the Sun represents the > heart area of the body ... Ketu is another FM that can bring > violence/wounds through affliction ... > > On January 30, 1948 Mahatma Gandhi was in his Jupiter/Ketu > period ... transit Rahu/Ketu axis was at 26 degrees in Aries/Libra > afflicting natal Mars and natal Jupiter as well as the MEPs of the > houses concerned ... I think the Ketu subperiod and its transit > afflictions are very prominent for this tragedy to occur ... > > Also, transit Saturn was at 26 degrees in Cancer bringing conflicts > to the Moon ruling the 11th house, the MEP's of the 11th, 1st, 5th > and 8th houses as well as the natal planet Jupiter ... his transit > Sun was at 16 degrees in the 5th house (within the 5 degree orb of > his natal Rahu/Ketu axis which would bring in vulnerability > regarding the significations I previously mentioned for the Sun)... > > Transit Mercury ruling the entire chart was at the time of death in > the 6th house of conflict and enemies and very weak at 2 degrees ... > > I hope this is of help for your question, Narendra, and I thank you > for posting an interesting subject ... > > Any corrections or further input from other list members is most > appreciated ... > > Best Wishes, > > Mew > > , " naren.dra1 " <naren.dra@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I was reading the review of the recent movie on Gandhiji and read > that > > his relations with his sons were not good, in fact he neglected > them. > > > > I was intrigued and made the horoscope of Gandhiji. > > > > The fifth house is aspected by the FM SATURN, his own house. > Besides > > that KETU is posited in the 5th house, too. Even MARS does the same > > and he is FM. So this was destined. > > > > But I do not understand which planets contributed to his sudden > death > > by a bullet. > > > > > > Please advise. > > > > Thank you > > > > Narendra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatama Gandhi > > > > > > Oct 2, 1869 7:11 AM -05:30 INT > > Porbandar, India Longitude: 69E36 Latitude: 21N38 > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:02 Current Period: VE/RA/RA > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > > ================================================ > > Asc 22:41 Vir Hasta Mo > > Sun 16:51 Vir +00:59:07 FM Hasta Mo > > Moon 27:24 Can +14:24:14 WK Aslesha Me > > Mars 26:20 Lib +00:41:52 FM Vishakha Ju > > Merc 11:42 Lib +00:37:23 WK Swati Ra > > JuptR 28:08 Ari -00:04:21 WK Krittika Su > > Ven 24:21 Lib +01:11:39 WK Vishakha Ju > > Sat 20:19 Sco +00:04:21 FM Jyeshtha Me > > Rahu 13:38 Can -00:01:42 FM Pushya Sa > > Ketu 13:38 Cap -00:01:42 FM Shravana Mo > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 112 beats > > Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:45 AM > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadashi > > Yoga Pt: 17:35 Ar Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Ma > > Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis > > > > Rashi Chart > > ******************************************************* > > ** 7 * * 5 ** > > *8 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * ME 11:42 * * * * > > * VE 24:21* * * * > > * MA 26:20 SU 16:51 * * RA 13:38* > > *SA 20:19 * 6 AS 22:41 * 4 MO 27:24* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *9 * 3 * > > ** * * ** > > *10* * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *KE 13:38 * 12 * 2 * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * JUR28:08 * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 11 * * 1 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > > Navamsha > > ******************************************************* > > ** 5 * * 3 ** > > *6 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * SU * * > > * * * * * MA * > > * * 4 AS * 2 VE * > > * * * * * KE * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *7 * 1 * > > ** * * ** > > *8 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * ME * * * > > *RA * 10 SA * 12 MO * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * JUR * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 9 * * 11 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 , " naren.dra1 " <naren.dra wrote: > > > Also, please check the natal details. Use -04:38 LMT for this data, giving > Libra 4:28 ASC. > > Thank you very much for your reply, Vyas Munidas. I double checked > PORBANDAR's LMT for 2/10/1869 with ASTRODATA and you are absolutely correct. I was > using the latest/modern -5:30. > > Narendra. > > > , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Hello Narendra and Mary, > > > > To your question, a functional malefic will afflict its own house if it > > aspects it from another malefic house. > > > > Also, please check the natal details. Use -04:38 LMT for this data, > giving > > Libra 4:28 ASC. > > > > Note the natal potential: > > - the badly placed Sun in 12H is afflicted by Ketu (death came in the > > subperiod of Ke) > > - the wide aspect of the maelfics to the even house MEPs active in > the later > > part of life, after 60 > > - (further understanding how weak the Sun is) H11 contains Leo; in > D11 Leo > > rises with the Sun in H7, but dispositor Sa is in the 8H of death and > > endings and afflicted by Ke from the 12H ruling losses. > > > > There are numerous afflictions on the day in question showing the event. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " Mary Ellen Wright " <wdwmew@> > > > > Friday, August 10, 2007 11:38 AM > > Re: The Movie: Gandhi, My Father. > > > > > > Hello Narendra: > > > > My understanding is that a transit FM malefic never afflicts it's > > own MT house ... please correct me on that or > > another list member, if I am wrong ... > > > > My research indicates that Mahatma Gandhi was shot 3 times in the > > chest area on January 30, 1948 ... > > > > Natal Mars is aspecting back onto natal Jupiter which is weak by > > placement in the 8th house and is in old age ... Mars rules the 8th > > house of death experiences and as a FM it can be a planet of > > violence/wounds ... natal Jupiter rules the 4th house which is in > > body significations is the house of the chest area ... > > > > Also the natal Sun in his chart though well placed and strong in > > degree is under a close aspect from natal FM Ketu ... among its > > particular significations, the Sun represents end of life issues for > > Virgos ... in the general significations the Sun represents the > > heart area of the body ... Ketu is another FM that can bring > > violence/wounds through affliction ... > > > > On January 30, 1948 Mahatma Gandhi was in his Jupiter/Ketu > > period ... transit Rahu/Ketu axis was at 26 degrees in Aries/Libra > > afflicting natal Mars and natal Jupiter as well as the MEPs of the > > houses concerned ... I think the Ketu subperiod and its transit > > afflictions are very prominent for this tragedy to occur ... > > > > Also, transit Saturn was at 26 degrees in Cancer bringing conflicts > > to the Moon ruling the 11th house, the MEP's of the 11th, 1st, 5th > > and 8th houses as well as the natal planet Jupiter ... his transit > > Sun was at 16 degrees in the 5th house (within the 5 degree orb of > > his natal Rahu/Ketu axis which would bring in vulnerability > > regarding the significations I previously mentioned for the Sun)... > > > > Transit Mercury ruling the entire chart was at the time of death in > > the 6th house of conflict and enemies and very weak at 2 degrees ... > > > > I hope this is of help for your question, Narendra, and I thank you > > for posting an interesting subject ... > > > > Any corrections or further input from other list members is most > > appreciated ... > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mew > > > > , " naren.dra1 " <naren.dra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I was reading the review of the recent movie on Gandhiji and read > > that > > > his relations with his sons were not good, in fact he neglected > > them. > > > > > > I was intrigued and made the horoscope of Gandhiji. > > > > > > The fifth house is aspected by the FM SATURN, his own house. > > Besides > > > that KETU is posited in the 5th house, too. Even MARS does the same > > > and he is FM. So this was destined. > > > > > > But I do not understand which planets contributed to his sudden > > death > > > by a bullet. > > > > > > > > > Please advise. > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Narendra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatama Gandhi > > > > > > > > > Oct 2, 1869 7:11 AM -05:30 INT > > > Porbandar, India Longitude: 69E36 Latitude: 21N38 > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:02 Current Period: VE/RA/RA > > > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > > > ================================================ > > > Asc 22:41 Vir Hasta Mo > > > Sun 16:51 Vir +00:59:07 FM Hasta Mo > > > Moon 27:24 Can +14:24:14 WK Aslesha Me > > > Mars 26:20 Lib +00:41:52 FM Vishakha Ju > > > Merc 11:42 Lib +00:37:23 WK Swati Ra > > > JuptR 28:08 Ari -00:04:21 WK Krittika Su > > > Ven 24:21 Lib +01:11:39 WK Vishakha Ju > > > Sat 20:19 Sco +00:04:21 FM Jyeshtha Me > > > Rahu 13:38 Can -00:01:42 FM Pushya Sa > > > Ketu 13:38 Cap -00:01:42 FM Shravana Mo > > > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 112 beats > > > Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:45 AM > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadashi > > > Yoga Pt: 17:35 Ar Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Ma > > > Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis > > > > > > Rashi Chart > > > ******************************************************* > > > ** 7 * * 5 ** > > > *8 * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * ME 11:42 * * * * > > > * VE 24:21* * * * > > > * MA 26:20 SU 16:51 * * RA 13:38* > > > *SA 20:19 * 6 AS 22:41 * 4 MO 27:24* > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > ** * * ** > > > *9 * 3 * > > > ** * * ** > > > *10* * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > *KE 13:38 * 12 * 2 * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * JUR28:08 * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > ** 11 * * 1 ** > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > Navamsha > > > ******************************************************* > > > ** 5 * * 3 ** > > > *6 * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * SU * * > > > * * * * * MA * > > > * * 4 AS * 2 VE * > > > * * * * * KE * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > ** * * ** > > > *7 * 1 * > > > ** * * ** > > > *8 * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * ME * * * > > > *RA * 10 SA * 12 MO * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * JUR * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > ** 9 * * 11 ** > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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