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My dear ,

 

Thank you for highlighting the influences and congratulations on the successful prediction.

 

I have one question concerning the role of the aspect of Ketu at 3°52' Leo to Venus 3° 27' Sagittarius in the dramatic events on the financial markets. Would we expect it to have some additional influence, given the powerful influences of the other aspects already noted, such that this additional aspect helps to explain the severity of the volatility in the finanical markets, especially in the case of USA and India?

 

In the USA case, transit Ketu is in H2 while Venus is in H6 of financial stability. Natally Venus is weak in H6 and Ketu afflicts H4. Likewise, in the case of India, Venus is 6th lord in H8 while Ketu is in H4. Natally, Venus in H3 afflicts 10th lord Saturn by conjunction aspect and Ketu afflicts the 3rd house.

 

In this case, three aspects involve malefics or bad placement:

 

1) Rahu to Mars

USA: Rahu in H8 and L10 Mars in H12

INDIA: Rahu in H10 and L12 Mars in H2

 

2) Jupiter to Saturn

USA: L6 Jupiter in H6 and L8 Saturn in H2

INDIA: L8 Jupiter in H8 and L10 Saturn in H4

 

3) Ketu to Venus

USA: Ketu in H2 and L4 Venus in H6

INDIA: Ketu in H7 and L6 Venus in H8

 

helping to explain such a profound drop in the markets

 

Moreover, as

- the aspects of Jupiter to Saturn and Ketu to Venus begin to separate today

- the orb of the aspect of Rahu to Mars has become over 3° wide

- the orb of the aspect of Ketu to Venus becomes more than 3° on Friday

- the orb of the aspect of Jupiter to Saturn becomes over 1° during the day of Friday

would this suggest some improvement in the financial markets towards the end of the week?

 

Finally, the stock market in Japan has also been hammered, suggesting Jupiter is also an FM in the authentic chart there. For this country we have three chart choices (attached as Jyotish Tools files for those receiving emails with also that excellent software, but enclosed as text below for others).

 

The Post War constitution chart does a convincing job of explaining the massive stock drop:

Japan_Post War Constitution: 3° Capricorn rising, Sa/Ra period operating. Transit nodal axis afflicting H2 and H8 MEPs, with transit L2 Saturn in H8 under exact affliction of transit L12 Jupiter and transit L4 Mars in H6 afflicted by Rahu in H2.

 

The Meiji consitution chart does not look as compelling.

Japan_Meiji Consitution: 17° Taurus rising, Ma/Ve period operating. Has transit L12 Mars in H2 under aspect from Rahu in H10. L8 Jupiter in H8 afflicting L10 Saturn in H4.

 

The third chart has Jupiter as L1 but nodal axis is afflicting its natal placement.

Japan_Sovereignity: 7° Sagittarius rising, running Me/Me period has nodal axist conjunct natal nodes and transit L5 Mars conjunct natal L8 Moon!

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

PS with L2 Venus severely afflicted natally and in transit today, the weather in ICELAND has again become STORMY!

siha <sihaSAMVA Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

Best wishes.

 

 

Japan Post-war Constitution

May 3, 1947 12:00 AM -09:00

Tokyo Longitude: 139E45 Latitude: 35N40

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SA/RA/VE

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 03:25 Cap U.Shadya Su

Sun 18:14 Ari +00:58:11 FM Bharani Ve

Moon 17:40 Vir +13:07:43 WK Hasta Mo

Mars 22:49 Pis +00:45:54 ST Revati Me

Merc 03:47 Ari +01:52:36 WK Aswini Ke

JuptR 01:02 Sco -00:07:14 FM Vishakha Ju

Ven 15:52 Pis +01:12:00 ST U.Bhadra Sa

Sat 09:34 Can +00:03:02 WK Pushya Sa

Rahu 09:30 Tau -00:03:09 FM Krittika Su

Ketu 09:30 Sco -00:03:09 FM Anuradha Sa

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 667 beats

Day: Saturday Sunrise: 4:50 AM

Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi

Yoga Pt: 9:14 Cp Yogi:Su AviYogi:Sa Dup Yogi: Sa

Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement,

Moon Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Bright,

Mars Good Placement,

Mercury Good Placement, In Infancy: 24%,

Jupiter Good Placement, In Infancy: 79%,

Venus Good Placement,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Good Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 11 * * 9 **

*12* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*VE 15:52 * * * * JUR01:02*

*MA 22:49 * 10 AS 03:25 * 8 KE 09:30*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** ME 03:47 * * **

*1 SU 18:14 * 7 *

** * * **

*2 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 09:30 * 4 SA 09:34 * 6 MO 17:40*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 3 * * 5 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 12 * * 10 **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* RA * MA * *

* * * * * *

* * 11 AS * 9 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*2 ME * 8 VE *

** * * **

*3 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*MO * 5 * 7 *

* * * * * *

* * * SU * *

* * JUR * * SA * *

* * * * KE * *

* * * * * *

** 4 * * 6 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Mo/Mo 31.7.1941

Mo/Ma 31.5.1942

Mo/Ra 30.12.1942

Mo/Ju 30.6.1944

Mo/Sa 30.10.1945

Mo/Me 1.6.1947

Mo/Ke 30.10.1948

Mo/Ve 31.5.1949

Mo/Su 30.1.1951

Ma/Ma 1.8.1951

Ma/Ra 28.12.1951

Ma/Ju 14.1.1953

Ma/Sa 21.12.1953

Ma/Me 30.1.1955

Ma/Ke 27.1.1956

Ma/Ve 24.6.1956

Ma/Su 24.8.1957

Ma/Mo 30.12.1957

Ra/Ra 31.7.1958

Ra/Ju 12.4.1961

Ra/Sa 6.9.1963

Ra/Me 13.7.1966

Ra/Ke 29.1.1969

Ra/Ve 17.2.1970

Ra/Su 17.2.1973

Ra/Mo 11.1.1974

Ra/Ma 13.7.1975

Ju/Ju 31.7.1976

Ju/Sa 18.9.1978

Ju/Me 31.3.1981

Ju/Ke 7.7.1983

Ju/Ve 12.6.1984

Ju/Su 11.2.1987

Ju/Mo 30.11.1987

Ju/Ma 31.3.1989

Ju/Ra 7.3.1990

Sa/Sa 31.7.1992

Sa/Me 4.8.1995

Sa/Ke 13.4.1998

Sa/Ve 22.5.1999

Sa/Su 22.7.2002

Sa/Mo 4.7.2003

Sa/Ma 1.2.2005

Sa/Ra 13.3.2006

Sa/Ju 17.1.2009

Me/Me 31.7.2011

Me/Ke 27.12.2013

Me/Ve 24.12.2014

Me/Su 24.10.2017

Me/Mo 31.8.2018

Me/Ma 30.1.2020

Me/Ra 26.1.2021

Me/Ju 16.8.2023

Me/Sa 21.11.2025

Ke/Ke 31.7.2028

Ke/Ve 27.12.2028

Ke/Su 26.2.2030

Ke/Mo 4.7.2030

Ke/Ma 2.2.2031

Ke/Ra 1.7.2031

Ke/Ju 19.7.2032

Ke/Sa 24.6.2033

Ke/Me 3.8.2034

Ve/Ve 1.8.2035

Ve/Su 30.11.2038

Ve/Mo 30.11.2039

Ve/Ma 31.7.2041

Ve/Ra 30.9.2042

Ve/Ju 30.9.2045

Ve/Sa 31.5.2048

Ve/Me 1.8.2051

Ve/Ke 31.5.2054

Su/Su 1.8.2055

Su/Mo 18.11.2055

Su/Ma 19.5.2056

Su/Ra 24.9.2056

Su/Ju 18.8.2057

Su/Sa 6.6.2058

Su/Me 19.5.2059

Su/Ke 25.3.2060

Su/Ve 31.7.2060

Japan Sovereignity

Apr 28, 1952 10:30 PM -09:00

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:11 Current Period: ME/ME/SA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 07:19 Sag Mula Ke

Sun 15:00 Ari +00:58:19 WK Bharani Ve

Moon 05:29 Gem +12:14:31 FM Mrigsira Ma

MarsR 18:20 Lib -00:21:40 WK Swati Ra

Merc 19:01 Pis +00:42:11 WK Revati Me

Jupt 06:44 Ari +00:14:22 CM Aswini Ke

Ven 29:40 Pis +01:13:45 WK Revati Me

Sat R 16:27 Vir -00:03:47 WK Hasta Mo

Rahu 04:28 Aqu -00:07:09 FM Dhanishtha Ma

Ketu 04:28 Leo -00:07:09 FM Magha Ke

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 4:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Panchami

Yoga Pt: 23:49 Vi Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me

Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Moon Not Bright 29%,

Afflicts 1 7 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Mars Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated,

Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 27%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 93%,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

Ketu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 10 * * 8 **

*11* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 04:28 * 9 AS 07:19 * 7 MAR18:20*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** ME 19:01 * * **

*12 VE 29:40 * 6 SAR16:27 *

** * * **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*JU 06:44 * * * * *

*SU 15:00 * 3 MO 05:29 * 5 KE 04:28*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 2 * * 4 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * SAR * *

* * * KE * *

* * * AS * * *

*SU * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * MAR **

*6 * 12 VE *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 9 ME * 11 *

* * * * * *

* MO * * * *

* * RA * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Ma/Ma 11.12.1945

Ma/Ra 9.5.1946

Ma/Ju 28.5.1947

Ma/Sa 3.5.1948

Ma/Me 11.6.1949

Ma/Ke 9.6.1950

Ma/Ve 5.11.1950

Ma/Su 5.1.1952

Ma/Mo 12.5.1952

Ra/Ra 11.12.1952

Ra/Ju 24.8.1955

Ra/Sa 17.1.1958

Ra/Me 22.11.1960

Ra/Ke 12.6.1963

Ra/Ve 29.6.1964

Ra/Su 30.6.1967

Ra/Mo 24.5.1968

Ra/Ma 23.11.1969

Ju/Ju 11.12.1970

Ju/Sa 28.1.1973

Ju/Me 12.8.1975

Ju/Ke 17.11.1977

Ju/Ve 24.10.1978

Ju/Su 24.6.1981

Ju/Mo 12.4.1982

Ju/Ma 12.8.1983

Ju/Ra 18.7.1984

Sa/Sa 11.12.1986

Sa/Me 14.12.1989

Sa/Ke 23.8.1992

Sa/Ve 2.10.1993

Sa/Su 2.12.1996

Sa/Mo 14.11.1997

Sa/Ma 15.6.1999

Sa/Ra 24.7.2000

Sa/Ju 31.5.2003

Me/Me 11.12.2005

Me/Ke 9.5.2008

Me/Ve 6.5.2009

Me/Su 6.3.2012

Me/Mo 10.1.2013

Me/Ma 12.6.2014

Me/Ra 9.6.2015

Me/Ju 26.12.2017

Me/Sa 2.4.2020

Ke/Ke 11.12.2022

Ke/Ve 9.5.2023

Ke/Su 9.7.2024

Ke/Mo 13.11.2024

Ke/Ma 14.6.2025

Ke/Ra 11.11.2025

Ke/Ju 29.11.2026

Ke/Sa 5.11.2027

Ke/Me 14.12.2028

Ve/Ve 11.12.2029

Ve/Su 12.4.2033

Ve/Mo 12.4.2034

Ve/Ma 12.12.2035

Ve/Ra 10.2.2037

Ve/Ju 10.2.2040

Ve/Sa 11.10.2042

Ve/Me 11.12.2045

Ve/Ke 11.10.2048

Su/Su 11.12.2049

Su/Mo 31.3.2050

Su/Ma 29.9.2050

Su/Ra 4.2.2051

Su/Ju 30.12.2051

Su/Sa 17.10.2052

Su/Me 29.9.2053

Su/Ke 5.8.2054

Su/Ve 11.12.2054

Mo/Mo 12.12.2055

Mo/Ma 11.10.2056

Mo/Ra 12.5.2057

Mo/Ju 11.11.2058

Mo/Sa 12.3.2060

Mo/Me 11.10.2061

Mo/Ke 13.3.2063

Mo/Ve 12.10.2063

Mo/Su 11.6.2065

Japan Meiji Const

Feb 11, 1889 12:00 PM -09:19 LMT

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:18 Current Period: MA/VE/MA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 17:32 Tau Rohini Mo

Sun 00:18 Aqu +01:00:39 WK Dhanishtha Ma

Moon 05:25 Gem +11:54:28 WK Mrigsira Ma

Mars 02:55 Pis +00:46:09 FM P.Bhadra Ju

MercR 08:19 Aqu -00:49:49 CM Shatbisha Ra

Jupt 08:38 Sag +00:10:49 FM Mula Ke

Ven 16:44 Pis +01:03:13 FM Revati Me

Sat R 24:08 Can -00:04:50 WK Aslesha Me

Rahu 28:38 Gem +00:01:48 FM Punarvasu Ju

Ketu 28:38 Sag +00:01:48 FM U.Shadya Su

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 153 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi

Yoga Pt: 9:03 Cn Yogi:Sa AviYogi:Mo Dup Yogi: Mo

Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 94%, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Bright,

Mars Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 41%,

Afflicted House MEP

Mercury Good Placement, Combust 42%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Jupiter Bad Placement,

Venus Good Placement,

Afflicts 5 11 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Bad Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 3 * * 1 **

*4 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO 05:25 * * * *

* RA 28:38* * * *

* * * * * MA 02:55*

*SAR24:08 * 2 AS 17:32 * 12 VE 16:44*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * SU 00:18 **

*5 * 11 MER08:19 *

** * * **

*6 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 8 * 10 *

* * * * * *

* * * JU 08:38* *

* * * * KE 28:38 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 7 * * 9 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* MA * * * *

* * * AS * * *

* * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * RA * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*6 * 12 *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * MER * * *

*SU * 9 VE * 11 SAR *

* * * KE * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Me/Me 8.10.1942

Me/Ke 6.3.1945

Me/Ve 3.3.1946

Me/Su 1.1.1949

Me/Mo 7.11.1949

Me/Ma 9.4.1951

Me/Ra 5.4.1952

Me/Ju 23.10.1954

Me/Sa 28.1.1957

Ke/Ke 8.10.1959

Ke/Ve 5.3.1960

Ke/Su 6.5.1961

Ke/Mo 10.9.1961

Ke/Ma 11.4.1962

Ke/Ra 8.9.1962

Ke/Ju 26.9.1963

Ke/Sa 1.9.1964

Ke/Me 11.10.1965

Ve/Ve 8.10.1966

Ve/Su 7.2.1970

Ve/Mo 7.2.1971

Ve/Ma 8.10.1972

Ve/Ra 8.12.1973

Ve/Ju 7.12.1976

Ve/Sa 8.8.1979

Ve/Me 8.10.1982

Ve/Ke 8.8.1985

Su/Su 8.10.1986

Su/Mo 26.1.1987

Su/Ma 27.7.1987

Su/Ra 2.12.1987

Su/Ju 26.10.1988

Su/Sa 14.8.1989

Su/Me 27.7.1990

Su/Ke 2.6.1991

Su/Ve 8.10.1991

Mo/Mo 8.10.1992

Mo/Ma 8.8.1993

Mo/Ra 9.3.1994

Mo/Ju 8.9.1995

Mo/Sa 7.1.1997

Mo/Me 8.8.1998

Mo/Ke 8.1.2000

Mo/Ve 8.8.2000

Mo/Su 8.4.2002

Ma/Ma 8.10.2002

Ma/Ra 6.3.2003

Ma/Ju 24.3.2004

Ma/Sa 28.2.2005

Ma/Me 8.4.2006

Ma/Ke 6.4.2007

Ma/Ve 2.9.2007

Ma/Su 1.11.2008

Ma/Mo 9.3.2009

Ra/Ra 8.10.2009

Ra/Ju 20.6.2012

Ra/Sa 14.11.2014

Ra/Me 19.9.2017

Ra/Ke 8.4.2020

Ra/Ve 26.4.2021

Ra/Su 26.4.2024

Ra/Mo 21.3.2025

Ra/Ma 20.9.2026

Ju/Ju 8.10.2027

Ju/Sa 25.11.2029

Ju/Me 8.6.2032

Ju/Ke 14.9.2034

Ju/Ve 21.8.2035

Ju/Su 21.4.2038

Ju/Mo 7.2.2039

Ju/Ma 8.6.2040

Ju/Ra 15.5.2041

Sa/Sa 8.10.2043

Sa/Me 11.10.2046

Sa/Ke 20.6.2049

Sa/Ve 30.7.2050

Sa/Su 29.9.2053

Sa/Mo 11.9.2054

Sa/Ma 11.4.2056

Sa/Ra 21.5.2057Sa/Ju 27.3.2060

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Hello my dear Thor,

The aspects of ketu to Venus and that of Rahu to Mars are additional factors but significance is low in comparison to Jupiter's aspect to Saturn.

 

The Post War constitution chart appears to be the right chart for Japan.

Best wishes.

 

-

Cosmologer

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:36 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

 

My dear ,

 

Thank you for highlighting the influences and congratulations on the successful prediction.

 

I have one question concerning the role of the aspect of Ketu at 3°52' Leo to Venus 3° 27' Sagittarius in the dramatic events on the financial markets. Would we expect it to have some additional influence, given the powerful influences of the other aspects already noted, such that this additional aspect helps to explain the severity of the volatility in the finanical markets, especially in the case of USA and India?

 

 

In the USA case, transit Ketu is in H2 while Venus is in H6 of financial stability. Natally Venus is weak in H6 and Ketu afflicts H4. Likewise, in the case of India, Venus is 6th lord in H8 while Ketu is in H4. Natally, Venus in H3 afflicts 10th lord Saturn by conjunction aspect and Ketu afflicts the 3rd house.

 

In this case, three aspects involve malefics or bad placement:

 

1) Rahu to Mars

USA: Rahu in H8 and L10 Mars in H12

INDIA: Rahu in H10 and L12 Mars in H2

 

2) Jupiter to Saturn

USA: L6 Jupiter in H6 and L8 Saturn in H2

INDIA: L8 Jupiter in H8 and L10 Saturn in H4

 

3) Ketu to Venus

USA: Ketu in H2 and L4 Venus in H6

INDIA: Ketu in H7 and L6 Venus in H8

 

helping to explain such a profound drop in the markets

 

Moreover, as

- the aspects of Jupiter to Saturn and Ketu to Venus begin to separate today

- the orb of the aspect of Rahu to Mars has become over 3° wide

- the orb of the aspect of Ketu to Venus becomes more than 3° on Friday

- the orb of the aspect of Jupiter to Saturn becomes over 1° during the day of Friday

would this suggest some improvement in the financial markets towards the end of the week?

 

Finally, the stock market in Japan has also been hammered, suggesting Jupiter is also an FM in the authentic chart there. For this country we have three chart choices (attached as Jyotish Tools files for those receiving emails with also that excellent software, but enclosed as text below for others).

 

The Post War constitution chart does a convincing job of explaining the massive stock drop:

Japan_Post War Constitution: 3° Capricorn rising, Sa/Ra period operating. Transit nodal axis afflicting H2 and H8 MEPs, with transit L2 Saturn in H8 under exact affliction of transit L12 Jupiter and transit L4 Mars in H6 afflicted by Rahu in H2.

 

The Meiji consitution chart does not look as compelling.

Japan_Meiji Consitution: 17° Taurus rising, Ma/Ve period operating. Has transit L12 Mars in H2 under aspect from Rahu in H10. L8 Jupiter in H8 afflicting L10 Saturn in H4.

 

The third chart has Jupiter as L1 but nodal axis is afflicting its natal placement.

Japan_Sovereignity: 7° Sagittarius rising, running Me/Me period has nodal axist conjunct natal nodes and transit L5 Mars conjunct natal L8 Moon!

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

PS with L2 Venus severely afflicted natally and in transit today, the weather in ICELAND has again become STORMY!

siha <siha (AT) airtelbroadband (DOT) in>SAMVA Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

Japan Post-war Constitution

May 3, 1947 12:00 AM -09:00

Tokyo Longitude: 139E45 Latitude: 35N40

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SA/RA/VE

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 03:25 Cap U.Shadya Su

Sun 18:14 Ari +00:58:11 FM Bharani Ve

Moon 17:40 Vir +13:07:43 WK Hasta Mo

Mars 22:49 Pis +00:45:54 ST Revati Me

Merc 03:47 Ari +01:52:36 WK Aswini Ke

JuptR 01:02 Sco -00:07:14 FM Vishakha Ju

Ven 15:52 Pis +01:12:00 ST U.Bhadra Sa

Sat 09:34 Can +00:03:02 WK Pushya Sa

Rahu 09:30 Tau -00:03:09 FM Krittika Su

Ketu 09:30 Sco -00:03:09 FM Anuradha Sa

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 667 beats

Day: Saturday Sunrise: 4:50 AM

Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi

Yoga Pt: 9:14 Cp Yogi:Su AviYogi:Sa Dup Yogi: Sa

Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement,

Moon Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Bright,

Mars Good Placement,

Mercury Good Placement, In Infancy: 24%,

Jupiter Good Placement, In Infancy: 79%,

Venus Good Placement,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Good Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 11 * * 9 **

*12* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*VE 15:52 * * * * JUR01:02*

*MA 22:49 * 10 AS 03:25 * 8 KE 09:30*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** ME 03:47 * * **

*1 SU 18:14 * 7 *

** * * **

*2 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 09:30 * 4 SA 09:34 * 6 MO 17:40*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 3 * * 5 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 12 * * 10 **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* RA * MA * *

* * * * * *

* * 11 AS * 9 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*2 ME * 8 VE *

** * * **

*3 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*MO * 5 * 7 *

* * * * * *

* * * SU * *

* * JUR * * SA * *

* * * * KE * *

* * * * * *

** 4 * * 6 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Mo/Mo 31.7.1941

Mo/Ma 31.5.1942

Mo/Ra 30.12.1942

Mo/Ju 30.6.1944

Mo/Sa 30.10.1945

Mo/Me 1.6.1947

Mo/Ke 30.10.1948

Mo/Ve 31.5.1949

Mo/Su 30.1.1951

Ma/Ma 1.8.1951

Ma/Ra 28.12.1951

Ma/Ju 14.1.1953

Ma/Sa 21.12.1953

Ma/Me 30.1.1955

Ma/Ke 27.1.1956

Ma/Ve 24.6.1956

Ma/Su 24.8.1957

Ma/Mo 30.12.1957

Ra/Ra 31.7.1958

Ra/Ju 12.4.1961

Ra/Sa 6.9.1963

Ra/Me 13.7.1966

Ra/Ke 29.1.1969

Ra/Ve 17.2.1970

Ra/Su 17.2.1973

Ra/Mo 11.1.1974

Ra/Ma 13.7.1975

Ju/Ju 31.7.1976

Ju/Sa 18.9.1978

Ju/Me 31.3.1981

Ju/Ke 7.7.1983

Ju/Ve 12.6.1984

Ju/Su 11.2.1987

Ju/Mo 30.11.1987

Ju/Ma 31.3.1989

Ju/Ra 7.3.1990

Sa/Sa 31.7.1992

Sa/Me 4.8.1995

Sa/Ke 13.4.1998

Sa/Ve 22.5.1999

Sa/Su 22.7.2002

Sa/Mo 4.7.2003

Sa/Ma 1.2.2005

Sa/Ra 13.3.2006

Sa/Ju 17.1.2009

Me/Me 31.7.2011

Me/Ke 27.12.2013

Me/Ve 24.12.2014

Me/Su 24.10.2017

Me/Mo 31.8.2018

Me/Ma 30.1.2020

Me/Ra 26.1.2021

Me/Ju 16.8.2023

Me/Sa 21.11.2025

Ke/Ke 31.7.2028

Ke/Ve 27.12.2028

Ke/Su 26.2.2030

Ke/Mo 4.7.2030

Ke/Ma 2.2.2031

Ke/Ra 1.7.2031

Ke/Ju 19.7.2032

Ke/Sa 24.6.2033

Ke/Me 3.8.2034

Ve/Ve 1.8.2035

Ve/Su 30.11.2038

Ve/Mo 30.11.2039

Ve/Ma 31.7.2041

Ve/Ra 30.9.2042

Ve/Ju 30.9.2045

Ve/Sa 31.5.2048

Ve/Me 1.8.2051

Ve/Ke 31.5.2054

Su/Su 1.8.2055

Su/Mo 18.11.2055

Su/Ma 19.5.2056

Su/Ra 24.9.2056

Su/Ju 18.8.2057

Su/Sa 6.6.2058

Su/Me 19.5.2059

Su/Ke 25.3.2060

Su/Ve 31.7.2060

Japan Sovereignity

Apr 28, 1952 10:30 PM -09:00

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:11 Current Period: ME/ME/SA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 07:19 Sag Mula Ke

Sun 15:00 Ari +00:58:19 WK Bharani Ve

Moon 05:29 Gem +12:14:31 FM Mrigsira Ma

MarsR 18:20 Lib -00:21:40 WK Swati Ra

Merc 19:01 Pis +00:42:11 WK Revati Me

Jupt 06:44 Ari +00:14:22 CM Aswini Ke

Ven 29:40 Pis +01:13:45 WK Revati Me

Sat R 16:27 Vir -00:03:47 WK Hasta Mo

Rahu 04:28 Aqu -00:07:09 FM Dhanishtha Ma

Ketu 04:28 Leo -00:07:09 FM Magha Ke

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 4:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Panchami

Yoga Pt: 23:49 Vi Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me

Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Moon Not Bright 29%,

Afflicts 1 7 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Mars Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated,

Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 27%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 93%,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

Ketu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 10 * * 8 **

*11* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 04:28 * 9 AS 07:19 * 7 MAR18:20*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** ME 19:01 * * **

*12 VE 29:40 * 6 SAR16:27 *

** * * **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*JU 06:44 * * * * *

*SU 15:00 * 3 MO 05:29 * 5 KE 04:28*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 2 * * 4 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * SAR * *

* * * KE * *

* * * AS * * *

*SU * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * MAR **

*6 * 12 VE *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 9 ME * 11 *

* * * * * *

* MO * * * *

* * RA * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Ma/Ma 11.12.1945

Ma/Ra 9.5.1946

Ma/Ju 28.5.1947

Ma/Sa 3.5.1948

Ma/Me 11.6.1949

Ma/Ke 9.6.1950

Ma/Ve 5.11.1950

Ma/Su 5.1.1952

Ma/Mo 12.5.1952

Ra/Ra 11.12.1952

Ra/Ju 24.8.1955

Ra/Sa 17.1.1958

Ra/Me 22.11.1960

Ra/Ke 12.6.1963

Ra/Ve 29.6.1964

Ra/Su 30.6.1967

Ra/Mo 24.5.1968

Ra/Ma 23.11.1969

Ju/Ju 11.12.1970

Ju/Sa 28.1.1973

Ju/Me 12.8.1975

Ju/Ke 17.11.1977

Ju/Ve 24.10.1978

Ju/Su 24.6.1981

Ju/Mo 12.4.1982

Ju/Ma 12.8.1983

Ju/Ra 18.7.1984

Sa/Sa 11.12.1986

Sa/Me 14.12.1989

Sa/Ke 23.8.1992

Sa/Ve 2.10.1993

Sa/Su 2.12.1996

Sa/Mo 14.11.1997

Sa/Ma 15.6.1999

Sa/Ra 24.7.2000

Sa/Ju 31.5.2003

Me/Me 11.12.2005

Me/Ke 9.5.2008

Me/Ve 6.5.2009

Me/Su 6.3.2012

Me/Mo 10.1.2013

Me/Ma 12.6.2014

Me/Ra 9.6.2015

Me/Ju 26.12.2017

Me/Sa 2.4.2020

Ke/Ke 11.12.2022

Ke/Ve 9.5.2023

Ke/Su 9.7.2024

Ke/Mo 13.11.2024

Ke/Ma 14.6.2025

Ke/Ra 11.11.2025

Ke/Ju 29.11.2026

Ke/Sa 5.11.2027

Ke/Me 14.12.2028

Ve/Ve 11.12.2029

Ve/Su 12.4.2033

Ve/Mo 12.4.2034

Ve/Ma 12.12.2035

Ve/Ra 10.2.2037

Ve/Ju 10.2.2040

Ve/Sa 11.10.2042

Ve/Me 11.12.2045

Ve/Ke 11.10.2048

Su/Su 11.12.2049

Su/Mo 31.3.2050

Su/Ma 29.9.2050

Su/Ra 4.2.2051

Su/Ju 30.12.2051

Su/Sa 17.10.2052

Su/Me 29.9.2053

Su/Ke 5.8.2054

Su/Ve 11.12.2054

Mo/Mo 12.12.2055

Mo/Ma 11.10.2056

Mo/Ra 12.5.2057

Mo/Ju 11.11.2058

Mo/Sa 12.3.2060

Mo/Me 11.10.2061

Mo/Ke 13.3.2063

Mo/Ve 12.10.2063

Mo/Su 11.6.2065

Japan Meiji Const

Feb 11, 1889 12:00 PM -09:19 LMT

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:18 Current Period: MA/VE/MA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 17:32 Tau Rohini Mo

Sun 00:18 Aqu +01:00:39 WK Dhanishtha Ma

Moon 05:25 Gem +11:54:28 WK Mrigsira Ma

Mars 02:55 Pis +00:46:09 FM P.Bhadra Ju

MercR 08:19 Aqu -00:49:49 CM Shatbisha Ra

Jupt 08:38 Sag +00:10:49 FM Mula Ke

Ven 16:44 Pis +01:03:13 FM Revati Me

Sat R 24:08 Can -00:04:50 WK Aslesha Me

Rahu 28:38 Gem +00:01:48 FM Punarvasu Ju

Ketu 28:38 Sag +00:01:48 FM U.Shadya Su

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 153 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi

Yoga Pt: 9:03 Cn Yogi:Sa AviYogi:Mo Dup Yogi: Mo

Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 94%, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Bright,

Mars Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 41%,

Afflicted House MEP

Mercury Good Placement, Combust 42%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Jupiter Bad Placement,

Venus Good Placement,

Afflicts 5 11 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Bad Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 3 * * 1 **

*4 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO 05:25 * * * *

* RA 28:38* * * *

* * * * * MA 02:55*

*SAR24:08 * 2 AS 17:32 * 12 VE 16:44*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * SU 00:18 **

*5 * 11 MER08:19 *

** * * **

*6 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 8 * 10 *

* * * * * *

* * * JU 08:38* *

* * * * KE 28:38 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 7 * * 9 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* MA * * * *

* * * AS * * *

* * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * RA * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*6 * 12 *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * MER * * *

*SU * 9 VE * 11 SAR *

* * * KE * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Me/Me 8.10.1942

Me/Ke 6.3.1945

Me/Ve 3.3.1946

Me/Su 1.1.1949

Me/Mo 7.11.1949

Me/Ma 9.4.1951

Me/Ra 5.4.1952

Me/Ju 23.10.1954

Me/Sa 28.1.1957

Ke/Ke 8.10.1959

Ke/Ve 5.3.1960

Ke/Su 6.5.1961

Ke/Mo 10.9.1961

Ke/Ma 11.4.1962

Ke/Ra 8.9.1962

Ke/Ju 26.9.1963

Ke/Sa 1.9.1964

Ke/Me 11.10.1965

Ve/Ve 8.10.1966

Ve/Su 7.2.1970

Ve/Mo 7.2.1971

Ve/Ma 8.10.1972

Ve/Ra 8.12.1973

Ve/Ju 7.12.1976

Ve/Sa 8.8.1979

Ve/Me 8.10.1982

Ve/Ke 8.8.1985

Su/Su 8.10.1986

Su/Mo 26.1.1987

Su/Ma 27.7.1987

Su/Ra 2.12.1987

Su/Ju 26.10.1988

Su/Sa 14.8.1989

Su/Me 27.7.1990

Su/Ke 2.6.1991

Su/Ve 8.10.1991

Mo/Mo 8.10.1992

Mo/Ma 8.8.1993

Mo/Ra 9.3.1994

Mo/Ju 8.9.1995

Mo/Sa 7.1.1997

Mo/Me 8.8.1998

Mo/Ke 8.1.2000

Mo/Ve 8.8.2000

Mo/Su 8.4.2002

Ma/Ma 8.10.2002

Ma/Ra 6.3.2003

Ma/Ju 24.3.2004

Ma/Sa 28.2.2005

Ma/Me 8.4.2006

Ma/Ke 6.4.2007

Ma/Ve 2.9.2007

Ma/Su 1.11.2008

Ma/Mo 9.3.2009

Ra/Ra 8.10.2009

Ra/Ju 20.6.2012

Ra/Sa 14.11.2014

Ra/Me 19.9.2017

Ra/Ke 8.4.2020

Ra/Ve 26.4.2021

Ra/Su 26.4.2024

Ra/Mo 21.3.2025

Ra/Ma 20.9.2026

Ju/Ju 8.10.2027

Ju/Sa 25.11.2029

Ju/Me 8.6.2032

Ju/Ke 14.9.2034

Ju/Ve 21.8.2035

Ju/Su 21.4.2038

Ju/Mo 7.2.2039

Ju/Ma 8.6.2040

Ju/Ra 15.5.2041

Sa/Sa 8.10.2043

Sa/Me 11.10.2046

Sa/Ke 20.6.2049

Sa/Ve 30.7.2050

Sa/Su 29.9.2053

Sa/Mo 11.9.2054

Sa/Ma 11.4.2056

Sa/Ra 21.5.2057Sa/Ju 27.3.2060

 

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Hello dear list members,

 

The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to

financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of

both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the

figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to

last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out

earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit

Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused

affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President,

Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of

US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello dear List Members, Indian stock market Senstive index closed lower by 875 points (5%) seeing an intraday loss of about 2246 points. Australians Markets also booked a loss of 6%. Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

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Cosmologer

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:36 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

 

My dear ,

 

Thank you for highlighting the influences and congratulations on the successful prediction.

 

I have one question concerning the role of the aspect of Ketu at 3°52' Leo to Venus 3° 27' Sagittarius in the dramatic events on the financial markets. Would we expect it to have some additional influence, given the powerful influences of the other aspects already noted, such that this additional aspect helps to explain the severity of the volatility in the finanical markets, especially in the case of USA and India?

 

In the USA case, transit Ketu is in H2 while Venus is in H6 of financial stability. Natally Venus is weak in H6 and Ketu afflicts H4. Likewise, in the case of India, Venus is 6th lord in H8 while Ketu is in H4. Natally, Venus in H3 afflicts 10th lord Saturn by conjunction aspect and Ketu afflicts the 3rd house.

 

In this case, three aspects involve malefics or bad placement:

 

1) Rahu to Mars

USA: Rahu in H8 and L10 Mars in H12

INDIA: Rahu in H10 and L12 Mars in H2

 

2) Jupiter to Saturn

USA: L6 Jupiter in H6 and L8 Saturn in H2

INDIA: L8 Jupiter in H8 and L10 Saturn in H4

 

3) Ketu to Venus

USA: Ketu in H2 and L4 Venus in H6

INDIA: Ketu in H7 and L6 Venus in H8

 

helping to explain such a profound drop in the markets

 

Moreover, as

- the aspects of Jupiter to Saturn and Ketu to Venus begin to separate today

- the orb of the aspect of Rahu to Mars has become over 3° wide

- the orb of the aspect of Ketu to Venus becomes more than 3° on Friday

- the orb of the aspect of Jupiter to Saturn becomes over 1° during the day of Friday

would this suggest some improvement in the financial markets towards the end of the week?

 

Finally, the stock market in Japan has also been hammered, suggesting Jupiter is also an FM in the authentic chart there. For this country we have three chart choices (attached as Jyotish Tools files for those receiving emails with also that excellent software, but enclosed as text below for others).

 

The Post War constitution chart does a convincing job of explaining the massive stock drop:

Japan_Post War Constitution: 3° Capricorn rising, Sa/Ra period operating. Transit nodal axis afflicting H2 and H8 MEPs, with transit L2 Saturn in H8 under exact affliction of transit L12 Jupiter and transit L4 Mars in H6 afflicted by Rahu in H2.

 

The Meiji consitution chart does not look as compelling.

Japan_Meiji Consitution: 17° Taurus rising, Ma/Ve period operating. Has transit L12 Mars in H2 under aspect from Rahu in H10. L8 Jupiter in H8 afflicting L10 Saturn in H4.

 

The third chart has Jupiter as L1 but nodal axis is afflicting its natal placement.

Japan_Sovereignity: 7° Sagittarius rising, running Me/Me period has nodal axist conjunct natal nodes and transit L5 Mars conjunct natal L8 Moon!

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

PS with L2 Venus severely afflicted natally and in transit today, the weather in ICELAND has again become STORMY!

siha <siha (AT) airtelbroadband (DOT) in>SAMVA Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

Japan Post-war Constitution

May 3, 1947 12:00 AM -09:00

Tokyo Longitude: 139E45 Latitude: 35N40

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SA/RA/VE

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 03:25 Cap U.Shadya Su

Sun 18:14 Ari +00:58:11 FM Bharani Ve

Moon 17:40 Vir +13:07:43 WK Hasta Mo

Mars 22:49 Pis +00:45:54 ST Revati Me

Merc 03:47 Ari +01:52:36 WK Aswini Ke

JuptR 01:02 Sco -00:07:14 FM Vishakha Ju

Ven 15:52 Pis +01:12:00 ST U.Bhadra Sa

Sat 09:34 Can +00:03:02 WK Pushya Sa

Rahu 09:30 Tau -00:03:09 FM Krittika Su

Ketu 09:30 Sco -00:03:09 FM Anuradha Sa

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 667 beats

Day: Saturday Sunrise: 4:50 AM

Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi

Yoga Pt: 9:14 Cp Yogi:Su AviYogi:Sa Dup Yogi: Sa

Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement,

Moon Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Bright,

Mars Good Placement,

Mercury Good Placement, In Infancy: 24%,

Jupiter Good Placement, In Infancy: 79%,

Venus Good Placement,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Good Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 11 * * 9 **

*12* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*VE 15:52 * * * * JUR01:02*

*MA 22:49 * 10 AS 03:25 * 8 KE 09:30*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** ME 03:47 * * **

*1 SU 18:14 * 7 *

** * * **

*2 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 09:30 * 4 SA 09:34 * 6 MO 17:40*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 3 * * 5 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 12 * * 10 **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* RA * MA * *

* * * * * *

* * 11 AS * 9 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*2 ME * 8 VE *

** * * **

*3 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*MO * 5 * 7 *

* * * * * *

* * * SU * *

* * JUR * * SA * *

* * * * KE * *

* * * * * *

** 4 * * 6 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Mo/Mo 31.7.1941

Mo/Ma 31.5.1942

Mo/Ra 30.12.1942

Mo/Ju 30.6.1944

Mo/Sa 30.10.1945

Mo/Me 1.6.1947

Mo/Ke 30.10.1948

Mo/Ve 31.5.1949

Mo/Su 30.1.1951

Ma/Ma 1.8.1951

Ma/Ra 28.12.1951

Ma/Ju 14.1.1953

Ma/Sa 21.12.1953

Ma/Me 30.1.1955

Ma/Ke 27.1.1956

Ma/Ve 24.6.1956

Ma/Su 24.8.1957

Ma/Mo 30.12.1957

Ra/Ra 31.7.1958

Ra/Ju 12.4.1961

Ra/Sa 6.9.1963

Ra/Me 13.7.1966

Ra/Ke 29.1.1969

Ra/Ve 17.2.1970

Ra/Su 17.2.1973

Ra/Mo 11.1.1974

Ra/Ma 13.7.1975

Ju/Ju 31.7.1976

Ju/Sa 18.9.1978

Ju/Me 31.3.1981

Ju/Ke 7.7.1983

Ju/Ve 12.6.1984

Ju/Su 11.2.1987

Ju/Mo 30.11.1987

Ju/Ma 31.3.1989

Ju/Ra 7.3.1990

Sa/Sa 31.7.1992

Sa/Me 4.8.1995

Sa/Ke 13.4.1998

Sa/Ve 22.5.1999

Sa/Su 22.7.2002

Sa/Mo 4.7.2003

Sa/Ma 1.2.2005

Sa/Ra 13.3.2006

Sa/Ju 17.1.2009

Me/Me 31.7.2011

Me/Ke 27.12.2013

Me/Ve 24.12.2014

Me/Su 24.10.2017

Me/Mo 31.8.2018

Me/Ma 30.1.2020

Me/Ra 26.1.2021

Me/Ju 16.8.2023

Me/Sa 21.11.2025

Ke/Ke 31.7.2028

Ke/Ve 27.12.2028

Ke/Su 26.2.2030

Ke/Mo 4.7.2030

Ke/Ma 2.2.2031

Ke/Ra 1.7.2031

Ke/Ju 19.7.2032

Ke/Sa 24.6.2033

Ke/Me 3.8.2034

Ve/Ve 1.8.2035

Ve/Su 30.11.2038

Ve/Mo 30.11.2039

Ve/Ma 31.7.2041

Ve/Ra 30.9.2042

Ve/Ju 30.9.2045

Ve/Sa 31.5.2048

Ve/Me 1.8.2051

Ve/Ke 31.5.2054

Su/Su 1.8.2055

Su/Mo 18.11.2055

Su/Ma 19.5.2056

Su/Ra 24.9.2056

Su/Ju 18.8.2057

Su/Sa 6.6.2058

Su/Me 19.5.2059

Su/Ke 25.3.2060

Su/Ve 31.7.2060

Japan Sovereignity

Apr 28, 1952 10:30 PM -09:00

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:11 Current Period: ME/ME/SA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 07:19 Sag Mula Ke

Sun 15:00 Ari +00:58:19 WK Bharani Ve

Moon 05:29 Gem +12:14:31 FM Mrigsira Ma

MarsR 18:20 Lib -00:21:40 WK Swati Ra

Merc 19:01 Pis +00:42:11 WK Revati Me

Jupt 06:44 Ari +00:14:22 CM Aswini Ke

Ven 29:40 Pis +01:13:45 WK Revati Me

Sat R 16:27 Vir -00:03:47 WK Hasta Mo

Rahu 04:28 Aqu -00:07:09 FM Dhanishtha Ma

Ketu 04:28 Leo -00:07:09 FM Magha Ke

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 4:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Panchami

Yoga Pt: 23:49 Vi Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me

Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Moon Not Bright 29%,

Afflicts 1 7 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Mars Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated,

Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 27%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 93%,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

Ketu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 10 * * 8 **

*11* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 04:28 * 9 AS 07:19 * 7 MAR18:20*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** ME 19:01 * * **

*12 VE 29:40 * 6 SAR16:27 *

** * * **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*JU 06:44 * * * * *

*SU 15:00 * 3 MO 05:29 * 5 KE 04:28*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 2 * * 4 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * SAR * *

* * * KE * *

* * * AS * * *

*SU * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * MAR **

*6 * 12 VE *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 9 ME * 11 *

* * * * * *

* MO * * * *

* * RA * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Ma/Ma 11.12.1945

Ma/Ra 9.5.1946

Ma/Ju 28.5.1947

Ma/Sa 3.5.1948

Ma/Me 11.6.1949

Ma/Ke 9.6.1950

Ma/Ve 5.11.1950

Ma/Su 5.1.1952

Ma/Mo 12.5.1952

Ra/Ra 11.12.1952

Ra/Ju 24.8.1955

Ra/Sa 17.1.1958

Ra/Me 22.11.1960

Ra/Ke 12.6.1963

Ra/Ve 29.6.1964

Ra/Su 30.6.1967

Ra/Mo 24.5.1968

Ra/Ma 23.11.1969

Ju/Ju 11.12.1970

Ju/Sa 28.1.1973

Ju/Me 12.8.1975

Ju/Ke 17.11.1977

Ju/Ve 24.10.1978

Ju/Su 24.6.1981

Ju/Mo 12.4.1982

Ju/Ma 12.8.1983

Ju/Ra 18.7.1984

Sa/Sa 11.12.1986

Sa/Me 14.12.1989

Sa/Ke 23.8.1992

Sa/Ve 2.10.1993

Sa/Su 2.12.1996

Sa/Mo 14.11.1997

Sa/Ma 15.6.1999

Sa/Ra 24.7.2000

Sa/Ju 31.5.2003

Me/Me 11.12.2005

Me/Ke 9.5.2008

Me/Ve 6.5.2009

Me/Su 6.3.2012

Me/Mo 10.1.2013

Me/Ma 12.6.2014

Me/Ra 9.6.2015

Me/Ju 26.12.2017

Me/Sa 2.4.2020

Ke/Ke 11.12.2022

Ke/Ve 9.5.2023

Ke/Su 9.7.2024

Ke/Mo 13.11.2024

Ke/Ma 14.6.2025

Ke/Ra 11.11.2025

Ke/Ju 29.11.2026

Ke/Sa 5.11.2027

Ke/Me 14.12.2028

Ve/Ve 11.12.2029

Ve/Su 12.4.2033

Ve/Mo 12.4.2034

Ve/Ma 12.12.2035

Ve/Ra 10.2.2037

Ve/Ju 10.2.2040

Ve/Sa 11.10.2042

Ve/Me 11.12.2045

Ve/Ke 11.10.2048

Su/Su 11.12.2049

Su/Mo 31.3.2050

Su/Ma 29.9.2050

Su/Ra 4.2.2051

Su/Ju 30.12.2051

Su/Sa 17.10.2052

Su/Me 29.9.2053

Su/Ke 5.8.2054

Su/Ve 11.12.2054

Mo/Mo 12.12.2055

Mo/Ma 11.10.2056

Mo/Ra 12.5.2057

Mo/Ju 11.11.2058

Mo/Sa 12.3.2060

Mo/Me 11.10.2061

Mo/Ke 13.3.2063

Mo/Ve 12.10.2063

Mo/Su 11.6.2065

Japan Meiji Const

Feb 11, 1889 12:00 PM -09:19 LMT

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:18 Current Period: MA/VE/MA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 17:32 Tau Rohini Mo

Sun 00:18 Aqu +01:00:39 WK Dhanishtha Ma

Moon 05:25 Gem +11:54:28 WK Mrigsira Ma

Mars 02:55 Pis +00:46:09 FM P.Bhadra Ju

MercR 08:19 Aqu -00:49:49 CM Shatbisha Ra

Jupt 08:38 Sag +00:10:49 FM Mula Ke

Ven 16:44 Pis +01:03:13 FM Revati Me

Sat R 24:08 Can -00:04:50 WK Aslesha Me

Rahu 28:38 Gem +00:01:48 FM Punarvasu Ju

Ketu 28:38 Sag +00:01:48 FM U.Shadya Su

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 153 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi

Yoga Pt: 9:03 Cn Yogi:Sa AviYogi:Mo Dup Yogi: Mo

Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 94%, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Bright,

Mars Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 41%,

Afflicted House MEP

Mercury Good Placement, Combust 42%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Jupiter Bad Placement,

Venus Good Placement,

Afflicts 5 11 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Bad Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 3 * * 1 **

*4 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO 05:25 * * * *

* RA 28:38* * * *

* * * * * MA 02:55*

*SAR24:08 * 2 AS 17:32 * 12 VE 16:44*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * SU 00:18 **

*5 * 11 MER08:19 *

** * * **

*6 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 8 * 10 *

* * * * * *

* * * JU 08:38* *

* * * * KE 28:38 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 7 * * 9 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* MA * * * *

* * * AS * * *

* * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * RA * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*6 * 12 *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * MER * * *

*SU * 9 VE * 11 SAR *

* * * KE * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Me/Me 8.10.1942

Me/Ke 6.3.1945

Me/Ve 3.3.1946

Me/Su 1.1.1949

Me/Mo 7.11.1949

Me/Ma 9.4.1951

Me/Ra 5.4.1952

Me/Ju 23.10.1954

Me/Sa 28.1.1957

Ke/Ke 8.10.1959

Ke/Ve 5.3.1960

Ke/Su 6.5.1961

Ke/Mo 10.9.1961

Ke/Ma 11.4.1962

Ke/Ra 8.9.1962

Ke/Ju 26.9.1963

Ke/Sa 1.9.1964

Ke/Me 11.10.1965

Ve/Ve 8.10.1966

Ve/Su 7.2.1970

Ve/Mo 7.2.1971

Ve/Ma 8.10.1972

Ve/Ra 8.12.1973

Ve/Ju 7.12.1976

Ve/Sa 8.8.1979

Ve/Me 8.10.1982

Ve/Ke 8.8.1985

Su/Su 8.10.1986

Su/Mo 26.1.1987

Su/Ma 27.7.1987

Su/Ra 2.12.1987

Su/Ju 26.10.1988

Su/Sa 14.8.1989

Su/Me 27.7.1990

Su/Ke 2.6.1991

Su/Ve 8.10.1991

Mo/Mo 8.10.1992

Mo/Ma 8.8.1993

Mo/Ra 9.3.1994

Mo/Ju 8.9.1995

Mo/Sa 7.1.1997

Mo/Me 8.8.1998

Mo/Ke 8.1.2000

Mo/Ve 8.8.2000

Mo/Su 8.4.2002

Ma/Ma 8.10.2002

Ma/Ra 6.3.2003

Ma/Ju 24.3.2004

Ma/Sa 28.2.2005

Ma/Me 8.4.2006

Ma/Ke 6.4.2007

Ma/Ve 2.9.2007

Ma/Su 1.11.2008

Ma/Mo 9.3.2009

Ra/Ra 8.10.2009

Ra/Ju 20.6.2012

Ra/Sa 14.11.2014

Ra/Me 19.9.2017

Ra/Ke 8.4.2020

Ra/Ve 26.4.2021

Ra/Su 26.4.2024

Ra/Mo 21.3.2025

Ra/Ma 20.9.2026

Ju/Ju 8.10.2027

Ju/Sa 25.11.2029

Ju/Me 8.6.2032

Ju/Ke 14.9.2034

Ju/Ve 21.8.2035

Ju/Su 21.4.2038

Ju/Mo 7.2.2039

Ju/Ma 8.6.2040

Ju/Ra 15.5.2041

Sa/Sa 8.10.2043

Sa/Me 11.10.2046

Sa/Ke 20.6.2049

Sa/Ve 30.7.2050

Sa/Su 29.9.2053

Sa/Mo 11.9.2054

Sa/Ma 11.4.2056

Sa/Ra 21.5.2057Sa/Ju 27.3.2060

 

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Pranam,

 

Why no one predict this before market drops?

 

Regards

rp

 

 

 

, " siha " <siha wrote:

>

>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious

setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and

India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a

functional malefic.

>

> Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this

touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

>

> The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th

January and is to last upto 25th January.

>

> This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences

brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak

transit Mars by transit Rahu.

>

> In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit

Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and

second houses.

>

> Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by

US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

>

> Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to

slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hello RP,

 

Planetary afflictions leading to expected adverse volatility in markets is

generally mentioned in advance at SAMVA group.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

Rick

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:18 AM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Pranam,

 

Why no one predict this before market drops?

 

Regards

rp

 

, " siha " <siha wrote:

>

>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious

setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and

India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a

functional malefic.

>

> Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this

touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

>

> The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th

January and is to last upto 25th January.

>

> This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences

brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak

transit Mars by transit Rahu.

>

> In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit

Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and

second houses.

>

> Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by

US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

>

> Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to

slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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My dear and list members,

 

Thanks for putting the aspect influences in perspective.

 

It seems the markets are remaining extremely volatile today, with the

share prices now recovering in many countries. It will be interesting

to see the US market open today, following the Martin Luther King

holiday yesterday, when the markets remained closed for a three day

weekend.

 

I am happy to get your view on the more likely chart for Japan. We

can now explore this chart more closely in terms of natal potential

and the historical events as well as testing it with predictions.

 

Perhaps there is a SAMVA list member who would like tp become the

expert on the mundane chart for Japan. What an interesting country!

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

SAMVA , " siha " <siha wrote:

>

> Hello my dear Thor,

>

>

> The aspects of ketu to Venus and that of Rahu to Mars are

additional factors but significance is low in comparison to Jupiter's

aspect to Saturn.

>

>

>

> The Post War constitution chart appears to be the right chart for

Japan.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

> -

> Cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:36 PM

> Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

>

>

>

> My dear ,

>

> Thank you for highlighting the influences and congratulations on

the successful prediction.

>

> I have one question concerning the role of the aspect of Ketu at

3°52' Leo to Venus 3° 27' Sagittarius in the dramatic events on the

financial markets. Would we expect it to have some additional

influence, given the powerful influences of the other aspects already

noted, such that this additional aspect helps to explain the severity

of the volatility in the finanical markets, especially in the case of

USA and India?

>

>

> In the USA case, transit Ketu is in H2 while Venus is in H6 of

financial stability. Natally Venus is weak in H6 and Ketu afflicts

H4. Likewise, in the case of India, Venus is 6th lord in H8 while

Ketu is in H4. Natally, Venus in H3 afflicts 10th lord Saturn by

conjunction aspect and Ketu afflicts the 3rd house.

>

> In this case, three aspects involve malefics or bad placement:

>

> 1) Rahu to Mars

> USA: Rahu in H8 and L10 Mars in H12

> INDIA: Rahu in H10 and L12 Mars in H2

>

> 2) Jupiter to Saturn

> USA: L6 Jupiter in H6 and L8 Saturn in H2

> INDIA: L8 Jupiter in H8 and L10 Saturn in H4

>

> 3) Ketu to Venus

> USA: Ketu in H2 and L4 Venus in H6

> INDIA: Ketu in H7 and L6 Venus in H8

>

> helping to explain such a profound drop in the markets

>

> Moreover, as

> - the aspects of Jupiter to Saturn and Ketu to Venus begin to

separate today

> - the orb of the aspect of Rahu to Mars has become over 3° wide

> - the orb of the aspect of Ketu to Venus becomes more than 3° on

Friday

> - the orb of the aspect of Jupiter to Saturn becomes over 1°

during the day of Friday

> would this suggest some improvement in the financial markets

towards the end of the week?

>

> Finally, the stock market in Japan has also been hammered,

suggesting Jupiter is also an FM in the authentic chart there. For

this country we have three chart choices (attached as Jyotish Tools

files for those receiving emails with also that excellent software,

but enclosed as text below for others).

>

> The Post War constitution chart does a convincing job of

explaining the massive stock drop:

> Japan_Post War Constitution: 3° Capricorn rising, Sa/Ra period

operating. Transit nodal axis afflicting H2 and H8 MEPs, with transit

L2 Saturn in H8 under exact affliction of transit L12 Jupiter and

transit L4 Mars in H6 afflicted by Rahu in H2.

>

> The Meiji consitution chart does not look as compelling.

> Japan_Meiji Consitution: 17° Taurus rising, Ma/Ve period

operating. Has transit L12 Mars in H2 under aspect from Rahu in H10.

L8 Jupiter in H8 afflicting L10 Saturn in H4.

>

> The third chart has Jupiter as L1 but nodal axis is afflicting

its natal placement.

> Japan_Sovereignity: 7° Sagittarius rising, running Me/Me period

has nodal axist conjunct natal nodes and transit L5 Mars conjunct

natal L8 Moon!

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> PS with L2 Venus severely afflicted natally and in transit today,

the weather in ICELAND has again become STORMY!

>

>

> siha <siha

> SAMVA

> Cc:

> Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM

> FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

>

>

>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing

serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to

US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter

as a functional malefic.

>

> Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading

this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

>

> The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th

January and is to last upto 25th January.

>

> This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences

brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak

transit Mars by transit Rahu.

>

> In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit

Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and

second houses.

>

> Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced

by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

>

> Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to

slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

>

>

> Japan Post-war Constitution

>

> May 3, 1947 12:00 AM -09:00

>

> Tokyo Longitude: 139E45 Latitude: 35N40

>

> Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SA/RA/VE

>

>

> Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

>

> ================================================

>

> Asc 03:25 Cap U.Shadya Su

>

> Sun 18:14 Ari +00:58:11 FM Bharani Ve

>

> Moon 17:40 Vir +13:07:43 WK Hasta Mo

>

> Mars 22:49 Pis +00:45:54 ST Revati Me

>

> Merc 03:47 Ari +01:52:36 WK Aswini Ke

>

> JuptR 01:02 Sco -00:07:14 FM Vishakha Ju

>

> Ven 15:52 Pis +01:12:00 ST U.Bhadra Sa

>

> Sat 09:34 Can +00:03:02 WK Pushya Sa

>

> Rahu 09:30 Tau -00:03:09 FM Krittika Su

>

> Ketu 09:30 Sco -00:03:09 FM Anuradha Sa

>

>

> True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 667 beats

>

> Day: Saturday Sunrise: 4:50 AM

>

> Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi

>

> Yoga Pt: 9:14 Cp Yogi:Su AviYogi:Sa Dup Yogi: Sa

>

> Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo

>

>

> Sytems Approach Analysis

>

> ========================

>

> Sun Good Placement,

>

> Moon Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Bright,

>

> Mars Good Placement,

>

> Mercury Good Placement, In Infancy: 24%,

>

> Jupiter Good Placement, In Infancy: 79%,

>

> Venus Good Placement,

>

> Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

>

> Rahu Good Placement,

>

> Ketu Good Placement,

>

>

> Rashi Chart

>

> *******************************************************

>

> ** 11 * * 9 **

>

> *12* * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> *VE 15:52 * * * * JUR01:02*

>

> *MA 22:49 * 10 AS 03:25 * 8 KE 09:30*

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** ME 03:47 * * **

>

> *1 SU 18:14 * 7 *

>

> ** * * **

>

> *2 * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> *RA 09:30 * 4 SA 09:34 * 6 MO 17:40*

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** 3 * * 5 **

>

> *******************************************************

>

>

> Navamsha

>

> *******************************************************

>

> ** 12 * * 10 **

>

> *1 * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * RA * MA * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * 11 AS * 9 *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** * * **

>

> *2 ME * 8 VE *

>

> ** * * **

>

> *3 * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> *MO * 5 * 7 *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * SU * *

>

> * * JUR * * SA * *

>

> * * * * KE * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** 4 * * 6 **

>

> *******************************************************

>

>

> Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

>

> =======================================

>

> Mo/Mo 31.7.1941

>

> Mo/Ma 31.5.1942

>

> Mo/Ra 30.12.1942

>

> Mo/Ju 30.6.1944

>

> Mo/Sa 30.10.1945

>

> Mo/Me 1.6.1947

>

> Mo/Ke 30.10.1948

>

> Mo/Ve 31.5.1949

>

> Mo/Su 30.1.1951

>

> Ma/Ma 1.8.1951

>

> Ma/Ra 28.12.1951

>

> Ma/Ju 14.1.1953

>

> Ma/Sa 21.12.1953

>

> Ma/Me 30.1.1955

>

> Ma/Ke 27.1.1956

>

> Ma/Ve 24.6.1956

>

> Ma/Su 24.8.1957

>

> Ma/Mo 30.12.1957

>

> Ra/Ra 31.7.1958

>

> Ra/Ju 12.4.1961

>

> Ra/Sa 6.9.1963

>

> Ra/Me 13.7.1966

>

> Ra/Ke 29.1.1969

>

> Ra/Ve 17.2.1970

>

> Ra/Su 17.2.1973

>

> Ra/Mo 11.1.1974

>

> Ra/Ma 13.7.1975

>

> Ju/Ju 31.7.1976

>

> Ju/Sa 18.9.1978

>

> Ju/Me 31.3.1981

>

> Ju/Ke 7.7.1983

>

> Ju/Ve 12.6.1984

>

> Ju/Su 11.2.1987

>

> Ju/Mo 30.11.1987

>

> Ju/Ma 31.3.1989

>

> Ju/Ra 7.3.1990

>

> Sa/Sa 31.7.1992

>

> Sa/Me 4.8.1995

>

> Sa/Ke 13.4.1998

>

> Sa/Ve 22.5.1999

>

> Sa/Su 22.7.2002

>

> Sa/Mo 4.7.2003

>

> Sa/Ma 1.2.2005

>

> Sa/Ra 13.3.2006

>

> Sa/Ju 17.1.2009

>

> Me/Me 31.7.2011

>

> Me/Ke 27.12.2013

>

> Me/Ve 24.12.2014

>

> Me/Su 24.10.2017

>

> Me/Mo 31.8.2018

>

> Me/Ma 30.1.2020

>

> Me/Ra 26.1.2021

>

> Me/Ju 16.8.2023

>

> Me/Sa 21.11.2025

>

> Ke/Ke 31.7.2028

>

> Ke/Ve 27.12.2028

>

> Ke/Su 26.2.2030

>

> Ke/Mo 4.7.2030

>

> Ke/Ma 2.2.2031

>

> Ke/Ra 1.7.2031

>

> Ke/Ju 19.7.2032

>

> Ke/Sa 24.6.2033

>

> Ke/Me 3.8.2034

>

> Ve/Ve 1.8.2035

>

> Ve/Su 30.11.2038

>

> Ve/Mo 30.11.2039

>

> Ve/Ma 31.7.2041

>

> Ve/Ra 30.9.2042

>

> Ve/Ju 30.9.2045

>

> Ve/Sa 31.5.2048

>

> Ve/Me 1.8.2051

>

> Ve/Ke 31.5.2054

>

> Su/Su 1.8.2055

>

> Su/Mo 18.11.2055

>

> Su/Ma 19.5.2056

>

> Su/Ra 24.9.2056

>

> Su/Ju 18.8.2057

>

> Su/Sa 6.6.2058

>

> Su/Me 19.5.2059

>

> Su/Ke 25.3.2060

>

> Su/Ve 31.7.2060

>

> Japan Sovereignity

>

> Apr 28, 1952 10:30 PM -09:00

>

> Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

>

> Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:11 Current Period: ME/ME/SA

>

>

> Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

>

> ================================================

>

> Asc 07:19 Sag Mula Ke

>

> Sun 15:00 Ari +00:58:19 WK Bharani Ve

>

> Moon 05:29 Gem +12:14:31 FM Mrigsira Ma

>

> MarsR 18:20 Lib -00:21:40 WK Swati Ra

>

> Merc 19:01 Pis +00:42:11 WK Revati Me

>

> Jupt 06:44 Ari +00:14:22 CM Aswini Ke

>

> Ven 29:40 Pis +01:13:45 WK Revati Me

>

> Sat R 16:27 Vir -00:03:47 WK Hasta Mo

>

> Rahu 04:28 Aqu -00:07:09 FM Dhanishtha Ma

>

> Ketu 04:28 Leo -00:07:09 FM Magha Ke

>

>

> True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats

>

> Day: Monday Sunrise: 4:53 AM

>

> Tithi: Shukla Panchami

>

> Yoga Pt: 23:49 Vi Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me

>

> Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

>

>

> Sytems Approach Analysis

>

> ========================

>

> Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

>

> Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Moon Not Bright

29%,

>

> Afflicts 1 7 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

>

> Mars Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

>

> Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated,

>

> Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 27%, Weak Dispositor,

>

> Afflicted Mool MEP

>

> Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 93%,

>

> Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

>

> Rahu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak

Dispositor,

>

> Ketu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak

Dispositor,

>

>

> Rashi Chart

>

> *******************************************************

>

> ** 10 * * 8 **

>

> *11* * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> *RA 04:28 * 9 AS 07:19 * 7 MAR18:20*

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** ME 19:01 * * **

>

> *12 VE 29:40 * 6 SAR16:27 *

>

> ** * * **

>

> *1 * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> *JU 06:44 * * * * *

>

> *SU 15:00 * 3 MO 05:29 * 5 KE 04:28*

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** 2 * * 4 **

>

> *******************************************************

>

>

> Navamsha

>

> *******************************************************

>

> ** 4 * * 2 **

>

> *5 * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * SAR * *

>

> * * * KE * *

>

> * * * AS * * *

>

> *SU * 3 JU * 1 *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** * * MAR **

>

> *6 * 12 VE *

>

> ** * * **

>

> *7 * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * 9 ME * 11 *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * MO * * * *

>

> * * RA * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** 8 * * 10 **

>

> *******************************************************

>

>

> Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

>

> =======================================

>

> Ma/Ma 11.12.1945

>

> Ma/Ra 9.5.1946

>

> Ma/Ju 28.5.1947

>

> Ma/Sa 3.5.1948

>

> Ma/Me 11.6.1949

>

> Ma/Ke 9.6.1950

>

> Ma/Ve 5.11.1950

>

> Ma/Su 5.1.1952

>

> Ma/Mo 12.5.1952

>

> Ra/Ra 11.12.1952

>

> Ra/Ju 24.8.1955

>

> Ra/Sa 17.1.1958

>

> Ra/Me 22.11.1960

>

> Ra/Ke 12.6.1963

>

> Ra/Ve 29.6.1964

>

> Ra/Su 30.6.1967

>

> Ra/Mo 24.5.1968

>

> Ra/Ma 23.11.1969

>

> Ju/Ju 11.12.1970

>

> Ju/Sa 28.1.1973

>

> Ju/Me 12.8.1975

>

> Ju/Ke 17.11.1977

>

> Ju/Ve 24.10.1978

>

> Ju/Su 24.6.1981

>

> Ju/Mo 12.4.1982

>

> Ju/Ma 12.8.1983

>

> Ju/Ra 18.7.1984

>

> Sa/Sa 11.12.1986

>

> Sa/Me 14.12.1989

>

> Sa/Ke 23.8.1992

>

> Sa/Ve 2.10.1993

>

> Sa/Su 2.12.1996

>

> Sa/Mo 14.11.1997

>

> Sa/Ma 15.6.1999

>

> Sa/Ra 24.7.2000

>

> Sa/Ju 31.5.2003

>

> Me/Me 11.12.2005

>

> Me/Ke 9.5.2008

>

> Me/Ve 6.5.2009

>

> Me/Su 6.3.2012

>

> Me/Mo 10.1.2013

>

> Me/Ma 12.6.2014

>

> Me/Ra 9.6.2015

>

> Me/Ju 26.12.2017

>

> Me/Sa 2.4.2020

>

> Ke/Ke 11.12.2022

>

> Ke/Ve 9.5.2023

>

> Ke/Su 9.7.2024

>

> Ke/Mo 13.11.2024

>

> Ke/Ma 14.6.2025

>

> Ke/Ra 11.11.2025

>

> Ke/Ju 29.11.2026

>

> Ke/Sa 5.11.2027

>

> Ke/Me 14.12.2028

>

> Ve/Ve 11.12.2029

>

> Ve/Su 12.4.2033

>

> Ve/Mo 12.4.2034

>

> Ve/Ma 12.12.2035

>

> Ve/Ra 10.2.2037

>

> Ve/Ju 10.2.2040

>

> Ve/Sa 11.10.2042

>

> Ve/Me 11.12.2045

>

> Ve/Ke 11.10.2048

>

> Su/Su 11.12.2049

>

> Su/Mo 31.3.2050

>

> Su/Ma 29.9.2050

>

> Su/Ra 4.2.2051

>

> Su/Ju 30.12.2051

>

> Su/Sa 17.10.2052

>

> Su/Me 29.9.2053

>

> Su/Ke 5.8.2054

>

> Su/Ve 11.12.2054

>

> Mo/Mo 12.12.2055

>

> Mo/Ma 11.10.2056

>

> Mo/Ra 12.5.2057

>

> Mo/Ju 11.11.2058

>

> Mo/Sa 12.3.2060

>

> Mo/Me 11.10.2061

>

> Mo/Ke 13.3.2063

>

> Mo/Ve 12.10.2063

>

> Mo/Su 11.6.2065

>

> Japan Meiji Const

>

> Feb 11, 1889 12:00 PM -09:19 LMT

>

> Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

>

> Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:18 Current Period: MA/VE/MA

>

>

> Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

>

> ================================================

>

> Asc 17:32 Tau Rohini Mo

>

> Sun 00:18 Aqu +01:00:39 WK Dhanishtha Ma

>

> Moon 05:25 Gem +11:54:28 WK Mrigsira Ma

>

> Mars 02:55 Pis +00:46:09 FM P.Bhadra Ju

>

> MercR 08:19 Aqu -00:49:49 CM Shatbisha Ra

>

> Jupt 08:38 Sag +00:10:49 FM Mula Ke

>

> Ven 16:44 Pis +01:03:13 FM Revati Me

>

> Sat R 24:08 Can -00:04:50 WK Aslesha Me

>

> Rahu 28:38 Gem +00:01:48 FM Punarvasu Ju

>

> Ketu 28:38 Sag +00:01:48 FM U.Shadya Su

>

>

> True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 153 beats

>

> Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:53 AM

>

> Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi

>

> Yoga Pt: 9:03 Cn Yogi:Sa AviYogi:Mo Dup Yogi: Mo

>

> Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis

>

>

> Sytems Approach Analysis

>

> ========================

>

> Sun Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy:

94%, Weak Dispositor,

>

> Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Bright,

>

> Mars Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy:

41%,

>

> Afflicted House MEP

>

> Mercury Good Placement, Combust 42%, Weak Dispositor,

>

> Afflicted Mool MEP

>

> Jupiter Bad Placement,

>

> Venus Good Placement,

>

> Afflicts 5 11 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

>

> Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

>

> Rahu Good Placement,

>

> Ketu Bad Placement,

>

>

> Rashi Chart

>

> *******************************************************

>

> ** 3 * * 1 **

>

> *4 * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * MO 05:25 * * * *

>

> * RA 28:38* * * *

>

> * * * * * MA 02:55*

>

> *SAR24:08 * 2 AS 17:32 * 12 VE 16:44*

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** * * SU 00:18 **

>

> *5 * 11 MER08:19 *

>

> ** * * **

>

> *6 * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * 8 * 10 *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * JU 08:38* *

>

> * * * * KE 28:38 * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** 7 * * 9 **

>

> *******************************************************

>

>

> Navamsha

>

> *******************************************************

>

> ** 4 * * 2 **

>

> *5 * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * MA * * * *

>

> * * * AS * * *

>

> * * 3 JU * 1 *

>

> * * * RA * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** * * **

>

> *6 * 12 *

>

> ** * * **

>

> *7 * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * MER * * *

>

> *SU * 9 VE * 11 SAR *

>

> * * * KE * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * MO * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> * * * * * *

>

> ** 8 * * 10 **

>

> *******************************************************

>

>

> Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

>

> =======================================

>

> Me/Me 8.10.1942

>

> Me/Ke 6.3.1945

>

> Me/Ve 3.3.1946

>

> Me/Su 1.1.1949

>

> Me/Mo 7.11.1949

>

> Me/Ma 9.4.1951

>

> Me/Ra 5.4.1952

>

> Me/Ju 23.10.1954

>

> Me/Sa 28.1.1957

>

> Ke/Ke 8.10.1959

>

> Ke/Ve 5.3.1960

>

> Ke/Su 6.5.1961

>

> Ke/Mo 10.9.1961

>

> Ke/Ma 11.4.1962

>

> Ke/Ra 8.9.1962

>

> Ke/Ju 26.9.1963

>

> Ke/Sa 1.9.1964

>

> Ke/Me 11.10.1965

>

> Ve/Ve 8.10.1966

>

> Ve/Su 7.2.1970

>

> Ve/Mo 7.2.1971

>

> Ve/Ma 8.10.1972

>

> Ve/Ra 8.12.1973

>

> Ve/Ju 7.12.1976

>

> Ve/Sa 8.8.1979

>

> Ve/Me 8.10.1982

>

> Ve/Ke 8.8.1985

>

> Su/Su 8.10.1986

>

> Su/Mo 26.1.1987

>

> Su/Ma 27.7.1987

>

> Su/Ra 2.12.1987

>

> Su/Ju 26.10.1988

>

> Su/Sa 14.8.1989

>

> Su/Me 27.7.1990

>

> Su/Ke 2.6.1991

>

> Su/Ve 8.10.1991

>

> Mo/Mo 8.10.1992

>

> Mo/Ma 8.8.1993

>

> Mo/Ra 9.3.1994

>

> Mo/Ju 8.9.1995

>

> Mo/Sa 7.1.1997

>

> Mo/Me 8.8.1998

>

> Mo/Ke 8.1.2000

>

> Mo/Ve 8.8.2000

>

> Mo/Su 8.4.2002

>

> Ma/Ma 8.10.2002

>

> Ma/Ra 6.3.2003

>

> Ma/Ju 24.3.2004

>

> Ma/Sa 28.2.2005

>

> Ma/Me 8.4.2006

>

> Ma/Ke 6.4.2007

>

> Ma/Ve 2.9.2007

>

> Ma/Su 1.11.2008

>

> Ma/Mo 9.3.2009

>

> Ra/Ra 8.10.2009

>

> Ra/Ju 20.6.2012

>

> Ra/Sa 14.11.2014

>

> Ra/Me 19.9.2017

>

> Ra/Ke 8.4.2020

>

> Ra/Ve 26.4.2021

>

> Ra/Su 26.4.2024

>

> Ra/Mo 21.3.2025

>

> Ra/Ma 20.9.2026

>

> Ju/Ju 8.10.2027

>

> Ju/Sa 25.11.2029

>

> Ju/Me 8.6.2032

>

> Ju/Ke 14.9.2034

>

> Ju/Ve 21.8.2035

>

> Ju/Su 21.4.2038

>

> Ju/Mo 7.2.2039

>

> Ju/Ma 8.6.2040

>

> Ju/Ra 15.5.2041

>

> Sa/Sa 8.10.2043

>

> Sa/Me 11.10.2046

>

> Sa/Ke 20.6.2049

>

> Sa/Ve 30.7.2050

>

> Sa/Su 29.9.2053

>

> Sa/Mo 11.9.2054

>

> Sa/Ma 11.4.2056

>

> Sa/Ra 21.5.2057

>

> Sa/Ju 27.3.2060

>

>

>

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Respected prof, vkc ji,In indian chart jupiter is mmp but why are we considering its exact tr aspect to tr saturn. In indian chart saturn represents lord of h10, which according to ur book represents executive, parliament, law & order and foreign trade. In indian natal chart natal saturn is exactly afflicted by natal lord of h6 venus, so venus has colured saturn with its colours of financial stability, so is it due to exact effect of venus to saturn, we consider saturn also linked with financial stability of indian masses ( stock markets) Thanks ajay. siha <siha wrote: Hello dear List Members, Indian stock market Senstive index closed lower by 875 points (5%) seeing an intraday loss of about 2246 points. Australians Markets also booked a loss of 6%. Best wishes. - Cosmologer SAMVA Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:36 PM Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE My dear , Thank you for highlighting the influences and congratulations on the successful prediction. I have one question concerning the role of the aspect of Ketu at 3°52' Leo to Venus 3° 27' Sagittarius in the dramatic events on the financial markets. Would we expect it to have some additional influence, given the powerful influences of the other aspects already noted, such that this additional aspect helps to explain the severity of the volatility in the finanical markets, especially in the case of USA and India? In the USA case, transit Ketu is in H2 while Venus is in H6 of financial stability. Natally Venus is weak in H6 and Ketu afflicts H4. Likewise, in the case of India, Venus is 6th lord in H8 while Ketu is in H4. Natally, Venus in H3

afflicts 10th lord Saturn by conjunction aspect and Ketu afflicts the 3rd house. In this case, three aspects involve malefics or bad placement: 1) Rahu to Mars USA: Rahu in H8 and L10 Mars in H12 INDIA: Rahu in H10 and L12 Mars in H2 2) Jupiter to Saturn USA: L6 Jupiter in H6 and L8 Saturn in H2 INDIA: L8 Jupiter in H8 and L10 Saturn in H4 3) Ketu to Venus USA: Ketu in H2 and L4 Venus in H6 INDIA: Ketu in H7 and L6 Venus in H8 helping to explain such a profound drop in the markets Moreover, as - the aspects of Jupiter to Saturn and Ketu to Venus begin to separate today - the orb of the aspect of Rahu to Mars has become over 3° wide - the orb of the aspect of Ketu to Venus becomes more than 3° on Friday - the orb of the aspect of Jupiter to Saturn becomes over 1° during the day of Friday would this suggest some improvement in the financial markets towards the end of the week? Finally, the stock market in Japan has also been hammered, suggesting Jupiter is also an FM in the authentic chart there. For this country we have three chart choices (attached as Jyotish Tools files for those receiving emails with also that excellent software, but enclosed as text below for others). The Post War constitution chart does a convincing job of explaining the massive stock drop: Japan_Post War Constitution: 3° Capricorn rising, Sa/Ra period operating. Transit nodal axis afflicting H2 and H8 MEPs, with transit L2 Saturn in H8 under exact affliction of transit L12 Jupiter and transit L4 Mars in H6 afflicted by Rahu in H2. The Meiji consitution chart does not look as compelling. Japan_Meiji Consitution: 17° Taurus rising, Ma/Ve period operating. Has transit L12 Mars in H2 under aspect from Rahu in H10. L8 Jupiter in H8 afflicting L10 Saturn in H4. The third chart has Jupiter as L1 but nodal axis is afflicting its natal placement. Japan_Sovereignity: 7° Sagittarius rising, running Me/Me period has nodal axist conjunct natal nodes and transit L5 Mars conjunct natal L8 Moon! Best wishes, Thor PS with L2 Venus severely afflicted natally and in

transit today, the weather in ICELAND has again become STORMY! siha <siha (AT) airtelbroadband (DOT) in>SAMVA Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic. Indian markets had the

biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent. The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January. This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu. In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses. Due

to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces. Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets. Best wishes. Japan Post-war Constitution May 3, 1947 12:00 AM -09:00 Tokyo Longitude: 139E45 Latitude: 35N40 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SA/RA/VE Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 03:25

Cap U.Shadya Su Sun 18:14 Ari +00:58:11 FM Bharani Ve Moon 17:40 Vir +13:07:43 WK Hasta Mo Mars 22:49 Pis +00:45:54 ST Revati Me Merc 03:47 Ari +01:52:36 WK Aswini Ke JuptR 01:02 Sco -00:07:14 FM Vishakha Ju Ven 15:52 Pis +01:12:00 ST U.Bhadra Sa Sat 09:34 Can +00:03:02 WK Pushya

Sa Rahu 09:30 Tau -00:03:09 FM Krittika Su Ketu 09:30 Sco -00:03:09 FM Anuradha Sa True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 667 beats Day: Saturday Sunrise: 4:50 AM Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi Yoga Pt: 9:14 Cp Yogi:Su AviYogi:Sa Dup Yogi: Sa Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement, Moon Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Bright, Mars Good Placement, Mercury Good Placement, In Infancy: 24%, Jupiter Good Placement, In Infancy: 79%, Venus Good Placement, Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Rahu Good Placement, Ketu Good Placement, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 11 * * 9 ** *12* *

* * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * *VE 15:52 * * * * JUR01:02*

*MA 22:49 * 10 AS 03:25 * 8 KE 09:30* * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * **

ME 03:47 * * ** *1 SU 18:14 * 7 * ** *

* ** *2 * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * *RA 09:30 * 4 SA

09:34 * 6 MO 17:40* * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * ** 3 * * 5 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 12 * * 10 ** *1

* * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * RA * MA * * * *

* * * * * * 11 AS * 9 * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * ** * * ** *2 ME * 8

VE * ** * * ** *3 * *

* * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * *MO * 5 * 7 * * *

* * * * * * * SU * * * * JUR

* * SA * * * * * * KE * * * *

* * * * ** 4 * * 6 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary) ======================================= Mo/Mo 31.7.1941 Mo/Ma 31.5.1942 Mo/Ra 30.12.1942 Mo/Ju 30.6.1944 Mo/Sa 30.10.1945 Mo/Me 1.6.1947 Mo/Ke 30.10.1948 Mo/Ve 31.5.1949 Mo/Su 30.1.1951 Ma/Ma 1.8.1951 Ma/Ra 28.12.1951 Ma/Ju 14.1.1953 Ma/Sa 21.12.1953 Ma/Me 30.1.1955 Ma/Ke 27.1.1956 Ma/Ve 24.6.1956 Ma/Su 24.8.1957 Ma/Mo 30.12.1957 Ra/Ra 31.7.1958 Ra/Ju 12.4.1961 Ra/Sa 6.9.1963 Ra/Me 13.7.1966 Ra/Ke 29.1.1969 Ra/Ve

17.2.1970 Ra/Su 17.2.1973 Ra/Mo 11.1.1974 Ra/Ma 13.7.1975 Ju/Ju 31.7.1976 Ju/Sa 18.9.1978 Ju/Me 31.3.1981 Ju/Ke 7.7.1983 Ju/Ve 12.6.1984 Ju/Su 11.2.1987 Ju/Mo 30.11.1987 Ju/Ma 31.3.1989 Ju/Ra 7.3.1990 Sa/Sa 31.7.1992 Sa/Me 4.8.1995 Sa/Ke 13.4.1998 Sa/Ve 22.5.1999 Sa/Su 22.7.2002 Sa/Mo 4.7.2003 Sa/Ma 1.2.2005 Sa/Ra 13.3.2006 Sa/Ju 17.1.2009 Me/Me 31.7.2011 Me/Ke 27.12.2013 Me/Ve 24.12.2014 Me/Su 24.10.2017 Me/Mo 31.8.2018 Me/Ma 30.1.2020 Me/Ra 26.1.2021 Me/Ju 16.8.2023 Me/Sa 21.11.2025 Ke/Ke 31.7.2028 Ke/Ve 27.12.2028 Ke/Su 26.2.2030 Ke/Mo 4.7.2030 Ke/Ma 2.2.2031 Ke/Ra 1.7.2031 Ke/Ju 19.7.2032 Ke/Sa 24.6.2033 Ke/Me 3.8.2034 Ve/Ve 1.8.2035 Ve/Su 30.11.2038 Ve/Mo 30.11.2039 Ve/Ma 31.7.2041 Ve/Ra 30.9.2042 Ve/Ju 30.9.2045 Ve/Sa 31.5.2048 Ve/Me 1.8.2051 Ve/Ke 31.5.2054 Su/Su 1.8.2055 Su/Mo 18.11.2055 Su/Ma 19.5.2056 Su/Ra 24.9.2056 Su/Ju 18.8.2057 Su/Sa 6.6.2058 Su/Me 19.5.2059 Su/Ke 25.3.2060 Su/Ve 31.7.2060 Japan Sovereignity Apr 28, 1952 10:30 PM -09:00 Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:11 Current Period: ME/ME/SA Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 07:19 Sag

Mula Ke Sun 15:00 Ari +00:58:19 WK Bharani Ve Moon 05:29 Gem +12:14:31 FM Mrigsira Ma MarsR 18:20 Lib -00:21:40 WK Swati Ra Merc 19:01 Pis +00:42:11 WK Revati

Me Jupt 06:44 Ari +00:14:22 CM Aswini Ke Ven 29:40 Pis +01:13:45 WK Revati Me Sat R 16:27 Vir -00:03:47 WK Hasta Mo Rahu 04:28 Aqu -00:07:09 FM Dhanishtha Ma Ketu 04:28 Leo -00:07:09 FM Magha Ke True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats Day: Monday Sunrise: 4:53 AM Tithi: Shukla Panchami Yoga Pt: 23:49 Vi Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Moon Not Bright 29%, Afflicts 1 7 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP Mars Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated,

Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 27%, Weak Dispositor, Afflicted Mool MEP Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 93%, Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Rahu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor, Ketu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 10 * * 8 ** *11* *

* * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * *RA 04:28 * 9 AS 07:19 * 7 MAR18:20* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * ** ME

19:01 * * ** *12 VE 29:40 * 6 SAR16:27 * ** *

* ** *1 * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * *JU 06:44 * * * * * *SU 15:00 * 3 MO 05:29 * 5 KE 04:28* * * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * ** 2 * * 4 ** *******************************************************

Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 4 * * 2 ** *5 *

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

* SAR * * * * * KE * * * * * AS *

* * *SU * 3 JU * 1 * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * MAR ** *6 * 12 VE * ** * * ** *7 * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * 9

ME * 11 * * * * * * * * MO *

* * * * * RA * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * ** 8 * * 10 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary) ======================================= Ma/Ma 11.12.1945 Ma/Ra 9.5.1946 Ma/Ju 28.5.1947 Ma/Sa 3.5.1948 Ma/Me 11.6.1949 Ma/Ke 9.6.1950 Ma/Ve 5.11.1950 Ma/Su 5.1.1952 Ma/Mo 12.5.1952 Ra/Ra 11.12.1952 Ra/Ju 24.8.1955 Ra/Sa 17.1.1958 Ra/Me 22.11.1960 Ra/Ke 12.6.1963 Ra/Ve 29.6.1964 Ra/Su 30.6.1967 Ra/Mo 24.5.1968 Ra/Ma 23.11.1969 Ju/Ju 11.12.1970 Ju/Sa 28.1.1973 Ju/Me 12.8.1975 Ju/Ke 17.11.1977 Ju/Ve 24.10.1978 Ju/Su 24.6.1981 Ju/Mo 12.4.1982 Ju/Ma 12.8.1983 Ju/Ra 18.7.1984 Sa/Sa 11.12.1986 Sa/Me 14.12.1989 Sa/Ke 23.8.1992 Sa/Ve 2.10.1993 Sa/Su 2.12.1996 Sa/Mo 14.11.1997 Sa/Ma 15.6.1999 Sa/Ra 24.7.2000 Sa/Ju 31.5.2003 Me/Me 11.12.2005 Me/Ke 9.5.2008 Me/Ve 6.5.2009 Me/Su

6.3.2012 Me/Mo 10.1.2013 Me/Ma 12.6.2014 Me/Ra 9.6.2015 Me/Ju 26.12.2017 Me/Sa 2.4.2020 Ke/Ke 11.12.2022 Ke/Ve 9.5.2023 Ke/Su 9.7.2024 Ke/Mo 13.11.2024 Ke/Ma 14.6.2025 Ke/Ra 11.11.2025 Ke/Ju 29.11.2026 Ke/Sa 5.11.2027 Ke/Me 14.12.2028 Ve/Ve 11.12.2029 Ve/Su 12.4.2033 Ve/Mo 12.4.2034 Ve/Ma 12.12.2035 Ve/Ra 10.2.2037 Ve/Ju 10.2.2040 Ve/Sa 11.10.2042 Ve/Me 11.12.2045 Ve/Ke 11.10.2048 Su/Su 11.12.2049 Su/Mo 31.3.2050 Su/Ma 29.9.2050 Su/Ra 4.2.2051 Su/Ju 30.12.2051 Su/Sa 17.10.2052 Su/Me 29.9.2053 Su/Ke 5.8.2054 Su/Ve 11.12.2054 Mo/Mo 12.12.2055 Mo/Ma

11.10.2056 Mo/Ra 12.5.2057 Mo/Ju 11.11.2058 Mo/Sa 12.3.2060 Mo/Me 11.10.2061 Mo/Ke 13.3.2063 Mo/Ve 12.10.2063 Mo/Su 11.6.2065 Japan Meiji Const Feb 11, 1889 12:00 PM -09:19 LMT Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:18 Current Period: MA/VE/MA Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 17:32 Tau Rohini Mo Sun 00:18 Aqu +01:00:39 WK Dhanishtha

Ma Moon 05:25 Gem +11:54:28 WK Mrigsira Ma Mars 02:55 Pis +00:46:09 FM P.Bhadra Ju MercR 08:19 Aqu -00:49:49 CM Shatbisha Ra Jupt 08:38 Sag +00:10:49 FM Mula Ke Ven 16:44 Pis +01:03:13 FM Revati Me Sat R 24:08 Can -00:04:50 WK Aslesha Me Rahu 28:38 Gem +00:01:48 FM Punarvasu Ju Ketu 28:38 Sag +00:01:48 FM U.Shadya Su True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 153 beats Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:53 AM Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi Yoga Pt: 9:03 Cn Yogi:Sa AviYogi:Mo Dup Yogi: Mo Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement,

Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 94%, Weak Dispositor, Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Bright, Mars Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 41%, Afflicted House MEP Mercury Good Placement, Combust 42%, Weak Dispositor, Afflicted Mool MEP Jupiter Bad Placement,

Venus Good Placement, Afflicts 5 11 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Rahu Good Placement, Ketu Bad Placement, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 3 * * 1 ** *4 * * * * *

* * * * * * * * MO 05:25 * * * * * RA 28:38* * * * * * * * * MA 02:55* *SAR24:08 * 2 AS

17:32 * 12 VE 16:44* * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * ** * * SU 00:18 ** *5 * 11 MER08:19 * ** * * ** *6 *

* * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * 8 * 10 * * *

* * * * * * * JU 08:38* * * *

* * KE 28:38 * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * ** 7 * * 9 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 4 * * 2 ** *5 * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * MA * * * * * * * AS * * * * * 3 JU * 1 * * * * RA * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * ** *

* ** *6 * 12 * ** *

* ** *7 * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * MER * * * *SU * 9 VE * 11 SAR * * * * KE * * * * * * * * * * * MO * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * ** 8 * * 10 ** *******************************************************

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary) ======================================= Me/Me 8.10.1942 Me/Ke 6.3.1945 Me/Ve 3.3.1946 Me/Su 1.1.1949 Me/Mo 7.11.1949 Me/Ma 9.4.1951 Me/Ra 5.4.1952 Me/Ju 23.10.1954 Me/Sa 28.1.1957 Ke/Ke 8.10.1959 Ke/Ve 5.3.1960 Ke/Su 6.5.1961 Ke/Mo 10.9.1961 Ke/Ma 11.4.1962 Ke/Ra 8.9.1962 Ke/Ju 26.9.1963 Ke/Sa 1.9.1964 Ke/Me 11.10.1965 Ve/Ve 8.10.1966 Ve/Su 7.2.1970 Ve/Mo 7.2.1971 Ve/Ma 8.10.1972 Ve/Ra 8.12.1973 Ve/Ju 7.12.1976 Ve/Sa 8.8.1979 Ve/Me 8.10.1982 Ve/Ke 8.8.1985 Su/Su 8.10.1986 Su/Mo 26.1.1987 Su/Ma 27.7.1987 Su/Ra 2.12.1987 Su/Ju 26.10.1988 Su/Sa 14.8.1989 Su/Me 27.7.1990 Su/Ke 2.6.1991 Su/Ve 8.10.1991 Mo/Mo 8.10.1992 Mo/Ma 8.8.1993 Mo/Ra 9.3.1994 Mo/Ju 8.9.1995 Mo/Sa 7.1.1997 Mo/Me 8.8.1998 Mo/Ke 8.1.2000 Mo/Ve 8.8.2000 Mo/Su 8.4.2002 Ma/Ma 8.10.2002 Ma/Ra 6.3.2003 Ma/Ju 24.3.2004 Ma/Sa 28.2.2005 Ma/Me 8.4.2006 Ma/Ke

6.4.2007 Ma/Ve 2.9.2007 Ma/Su 1.11.2008 Ma/Mo 9.3.2009 Ra/Ra 8.10.2009 Ra/Ju 20.6.2012 Ra/Sa 14.11.2014 Ra/Me 19.9.2017 Ra/Ke 8.4.2020 Ra/Ve 26.4.2021 Ra/Su 26.4.2024 Ra/Mo 21.3.2025 Ra/Ma 20.9.2026 Ju/Ju 8.10.2027 Ju/Sa 25.11.2029 Ju/Me 8.6.2032 Ju/Ke 14.9.2034 Ju/Ve 21.8.2035 Ju/Su 21.4.2038 Ju/Mo 7.2.2039 Ju/Ma 8.6.2040 Ju/Ra 15.5.2041 Sa/Sa 8.10.2043 Sa/Me 11.10.2046 Sa/Ke

20.6.2049 Sa/Ve 30.7.2050 Sa/Su 29.9.2053 Sa/Mo 11.9.2054 Sa/Ma 11.4.2056 Sa/Ra 21.5.2057Sa/Ju 27.3.2060 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

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Hello Ajay, One of the significations of the tenth house is foreign trade. Global cues are the apparent reasons for the stock market setback is the fear of loss of export opportunities to US where the slow down of economy is apprehended. The slow down of the US economy has triggered the selling by the foreign institutional investors majority of whom are from US. The transit Saturn is currently in the fourth house. The prolonged influence of the MMP is always considerably bad. Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

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ajay sehg

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:11 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Respected prof, vkc ji,In indian chart jupiter is mmp but why are we considering its exact tr aspect to tr saturn. In indian chart saturn represents lord of h10, which according to ur book represents executive, parliament, law & order and foreign trade.

 

In indian natal chart natal saturn is exactly afflicted by natal lord of h6 venus, so venus has colured saturn with its colours of financial stability, so is it due to exact effect of venus to saturn, we consider saturn also linked with financial stability of indian masses ( stock markets)

Thanks ajay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

siha <siha (AT) airtelbroadband (DOT) in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hello dear List Members, Indian stock market Senstive index closed lower by 875 points (5%) seeing an intraday loss of about 2246 points. Australians Markets also booked a loss of 6%. Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

Cosmologer

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:36 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

 

My dear ,

 

Thank you for highlighting the influences and congratulations on the successful prediction.

 

I have one question concerning the role of the aspect of Ketu at 3°52' Leo to Venus 3° 27' Sagittarius in the dramatic events on the financial markets. Would we expect it to have some additional influence, given the powerful influences of the other aspects already noted, such that this additional aspect helps to explain the severity of the volatility in the finanical markets, especially in the case of USA and India?

 

In the USA case, transit Ketu is in H2 while Venus is in H6 of financial stability. Natally Venus is weak in H6 and Ketu afflicts H4. Likewise, in the case of India, Venus is 6th lord in H8 while Ketu is in H4. Natally, Venus in H3 afflicts 10th lord Saturn by conjunction aspect and Ketu afflicts the 3rd house.

 

In this case, three aspects involve malefics or bad placement:

 

1) Rahu to Mars

USA: Rahu in H8 and L10 Mars in H12

INDIA: Rahu in H10 and L12 Mars in H2

 

2) Jupiter to Saturn

USA: L6 Jupiter in H6 and L8 Saturn in H2

INDIA: L8 Jupiter in H8 and L10 Saturn in H4

 

3) Ketu to Venus

USA: Ketu in H2 and L4 Venus in H6

INDIA: Ketu in H7 and L6 Venus in H8

 

helping to explain such a profound drop in the markets

 

Moreover, as

- the aspects of Jupiter to Saturn and Ketu to Venus begin to separate today

- the orb of the aspect of Rahu to Mars has become over 3° wide

- the orb of the aspect of Ketu to Venus becomes more than 3° on Friday

- the orb of the aspect of Jupiter to Saturn becomes over 1° during the day of Friday

would this suggest some improvement in the financial markets towards the end of the week?

 

Finally, the stock market in Japan has also been hammered, suggesting Jupiter is also an FM in the authentic chart there. For this country we have three chart choices (attached as Jyotish Tools files for those receiving emails with also that excellent software, but enclosed as text below for others).

 

The Post War constitution chart does a convincing job of explaining the massive stock drop:

Japan_Post War Constitution: 3° Capricorn rising, Sa/Ra period operating. Transit nodal axis afflicting H2 and H8 MEPs, with transit L2 Saturn in H8 under exact affliction of transit L12 Jupiter and transit L4 Mars in H6 afflicted by Rahu in H2.

 

The Meiji consitution chart does not look as compelling.

Japan_Meiji Consitution: 17° Taurus rising, Ma/Ve period operating. Has transit L12 Mars in H2 under aspect from Rahu in H10. L8 Jupiter in H8 afflicting L10 Saturn in H4.

 

The third chart has Jupiter as L1 but nodal axis is afflicting its natal placement.

Japan_Sovereignity: 7° Sagittarius rising, running Me/Me period has nodal axist conjunct natal nodes and transit L5 Mars conjunct natal L8 Moon!

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

PS with L2 Venus severely afflicted natally and in transit today, the weather in ICELAND has again become STORMY!

siha <siha (AT) airtelbroadband (DOT) in>SAMVA Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets ha d the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

Japan Post-war Constitution

May 3, 1947 12:00 AM -09:00

Tokyo Longitude: 139E45 Latitude: 35N40

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SA/RA/VE

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 03:25 Cap U.Shadya Su

Sun 18:14 Ari +00:58:11 FM Bharani Ve

Moon 17:40 Vir +13:07:43 WK Hasta Mo

Mars 22:49 Pis +00:45:54 ST Revati MeMerc 03:47 Ari +01:52:36 WK Aswini Ke

JuptR 01:02 Sco -00:07:14 FM Vishakha Ju

Ven 15:52 Pis +01:12:00 ST U.Bhadra Sa

Sat 09:34 Can +00:03:02 WK Pushya & nb sp; Sa

Rahu 09:30 Tau -00:03:09 FM Krittika Su

Ketu 09:30 Sco -00:03:09 FM Anuradha Sa

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 667 beats

Day: Saturday Sunrise: 4:50 AM

Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi

Yoga Pt: 9:14 Cp Yogi:Su AviYogi:Sa Dup Yogi: Sa

Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement,

Moon Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Brig ht,

Mars Good Placement,

Mercury Good Placement, In Infancy: 24%,

Jupiter Good Placement, In Infancy: 79%,

Venus Good Placement,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Good Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 11 * * 9 **

*12* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*VE 15:52 * * * * JUR01:02* & nb sp;

*MA 22:49 * 10 AS 03:25 * 8 KE 09:30*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** & nb sp; ME 03:47 * * **

*1 SU 18:14 * 7 *

** * & nb sp; * **

*2 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 09:30 * 4 SA 09:34 * 6 MO 17:40*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 3 * * 5 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 12 * * 10 **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* RA * MA * *

* * * * * *

* * 11 AS * 9 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * & nbsp; * * *

** * * **

*2 ME * 8 VE *

** * * **

*3 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*MO * 5 * 7 *

* * * * * *

* * * SU * *

* * JUR * * SA * *

* * * * KE * *

* * * * * *

** 4 * * 6 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Mo/Mo 31.7.1941

Mo/Ma 31.5.1942

Mo/Ra 30.12.1942

Mo/Ju 30.6.1944

Mo/Sa 30.10.1945

Mo/Me 1.6.1947

Mo/Ke 30.10.1948

Mo/Ve 31.5.1949

Mo/Su 30.1.1951

Ma/Ma 1.8.1951

Ma/Ra 28.12.1951

Ma/Ju 14.1.1953

Ma/Sa 21.12.1953

Ma/Me 30.1.1955

Ma/Ke 27.1.1956

Ma/Ve 24.6.1956

Ma/Su 24.8.1957

Ma/Mo 30.12.1957

Ra/Ra 31.7.1958

Ra/Ju 12.4.1961

Ra/Sa 6.9.1963

Ra/Me 13.7.1966

Ra/Ke 29.1.1969

Ra/Ve 17.2.1970

Ra/Su 17.2.1973

Ra/Mo 11.1.1974

Ra/Ma 13.7.1975

Ju/Ju 31.7.1976

Ju/Sa 18.9.1978

Ju/Me 31.3.1981

Ju/Ke 7.7.1983

Ju/Ve 12.6.1984

Ju/Su 11.2.1987

Ju/Mo 30.11.1987

Ju/Ma 31.3.1989

Ju/Ra 7.3.1990

Sa/Sa 31.7.1992

Sa/Me 4.8.1995

Sa/Ke 13.4.1998

Sa/Ve 22.5.1999

Sa/Su 22.7.2002

Sa/Mo 4.7.2003

Sa/Ma 1.2.2005

Sa/Ra 13.3.2006

Sa/Ju 17.1.2009

Me/Me 31.7.2011

Me/Ke 27.12.2013 Me/Ve 24.12.2014

Me/Su 24.10.2017

Me/Mo 31.8.2018

Me/Ma 30.1.2020

Me/Ra 26.1.2021

Me/Ju 16.8.2023

Me/Sa 21.11.2025

Ke/Ke 31.7.2028

Ke/Ve 27.12.2028

Ke/Su 26.2.2030

Ke/Mo 4.7.2030

Ke/Ma 2.2.2031

Ke/Ra 1.7.2031

Ke/Ju 19.7.2032

Ke/Sa 24.6.2033

Ke/Me 3.8.2034

Ve/Ve 1.8.2035

Ve/Su 30.11.2038

Ve/Mo 30.11.2039

Ve/Ma 31.7.2041

Ve/Ra 30.9.2042

Ve/Ju 30.9.2045

Ve/Sa 31.5.2048

Ve/Me 1.8.2051

Ve/Ke 31.5.2054

Su/Su 1.8.2055

Su/Mo 18.11.2055

Su/Ma 19.5.2056

Su/Ra 24.9.2056

Su/Ju 18.8.2057

Su/Sa 6.6.2058

Su/Me 19.5.2059

Su/Ke 25.3.2060

Su/Ve 31.7.2060

Japan Sovereignity

Apr 28, 1952 10:30 PM -09:00

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:11 Current Period: ME/ME/SA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 07:19 Sag & nbs p; Mula Ke

Sun 15:00 Ari +00:58:19 WK Bharani Ve

Moon 05:29 Gem +12:14:31 FM Mrigsira Ma

MarsR 18:20 Lib -00:21:40 WK Swati Ra

Merc 19:01 Pis +00:42:11 WK Revati & nbs p; Me

Jupt 06:44 Ari +00:14:22 CM Aswini Ke

Ven 29:40 Pis +01:13:45 WK Revati Me

Sat R 16:27 Vir -00:03:47 WK Hasta Mo

Rahu 04:28 Aqu -00:07:09 FM Dhanishtha Ma

Ketu 04:28 Leo -00:07:09 FM Magha Ke

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 4:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Panchami

Yoga Pt: 23:49 Vi Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me

Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Moon Not Bright 29%,

Afflicts 1 7 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Mars Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated,

Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 27%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 93%,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

Ketu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 10 * * 8 **

*11* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 04:28 * 9 AS 07:19 * 7 MAR18:20*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** ME 19:01 * * **

*12 VE 29:40 * 6 SAR16:27 *

** * * **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * & nbsp; * *

*JU 06:44 * * * * *

*SU 15:00 * 3 MO 05:29 * 5 KE 04:28*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 2 * * 4 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * ; * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * & nbsp; * SAR * *

* * * KE * *

* * * AS * * *

*SU * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * MAR **

*6 * 12 VE *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * & nbsp; * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 9 ME * 11 *

* * * * * *

* MO * * * *

* * RA * * * *

* * * * & nb sp; * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Ma/Ma 11.12.1945

Ma/Ra 9.5.1946

Ma/Ju 28.5.1947

Ma/Sa 3.5.1948

Ma/Me 11.6.1949

Ma/Ke 9.6.1950

Ma/Ve 5.11.1950

Ma/Su 5.1.1952

Ma/Mo 12.5.1952

Ra/Ra 11.12.1952

Ra/Ju 24.8.1955

Ra/Sa 17.1.1958

Ra/Me 22.11.1960

Ra/Ke 12.6.1963

Ra/Ve 29.6.1964

Ra/Su 30.6.1967

Ra/Mo 24.5.1968

Ra/Ma 23.11.1969

Ju/Ju 11.12.1970

Ju/Sa 28.1.1973

Ju/Me 12.8.1975

Ju/Ke 17.11.1977

Ju/Ve 24.10.1978

Ju/Su 24.6.1981

Ju/Mo 12.4.1982

Ju/Ma 12.8.1983

Ju/Ra 18.7.1984

Sa/Sa 11.12.1986

Sa/Me 14.12.1989

Sa/Ke 23.8.1992

Sa/Ve 2.10.1993

Sa/Su 2.12.1996

Sa/Mo 14.11.1997

Sa/Ma 15.6.1999

Sa/Ra 24.7.2000

Sa/Ju 31.5.2003

Me/Me 11.12.2005

Me/Ke 9.5.2008

Me/Ve 6.5.2009

Me/Su 6.3.2012

Me/Mo 10.1.2013

Me/Ma 12.6.2014

Me/Ra 9.6.2015

Me/Ju 26.12.2017

Me/Sa 2.4.2020

Ke/Ke 11.12.2022

Ke/Ve 9.5.2023

Ke/Su 9.7.2024

Ke/Mo 13.11.2024

Ke/Ma 14.6.2025

Ke/Ra 1 1.11.2025

Ke/Ju 29.11.2026

Ke/Sa 5.11.2027

Ke/Me 14.12.2028

Ve/Ve 11.12.2029

Ve/Su 12.4.2033

Ve/Mo 12.4.2034

Ve/Ma 12.12.2035

Ve/Ra 10.2.2037

Ve/Ju 10.2.2040

Ve/Sa 11.10.2042

Ve/Me 11.12.2045

Ve/Ke 11.10.2048

Su/Su 11.12.2049

Su/Mo 31.3.2050

Su/Ma 29.9.2050

Su/Ra 4.2.2051

Su/Ju 30.12.2051

Su/Sa 17.10.2052

Su/Me 29.9.2053

Su/Ke 5.8.2054

Su/Ve 11.12.2054

Mo/Mo 12.12.2055

Mo/Ma 11.10.2056

Mo/Ra 12.5.2057

Mo/Ju 11.11.2058

Mo/Sa 12.3.2060

Mo/Me 11.10.2061

Mo/Ke 13.3.2063

Mo/Ve 12.10.2063

Mo/Su 11.6.2065

Japan Meiji Const

Feb 11, 1889 12:00 PM -09:19 LMT

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:18 Current Period: MA/VE/MA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 17:32 Tau Rohini Mo

Sun 00:18 Aqu +01: 00:39 WK Dhanishtha Ma

Moon 05:25 Gem +11:54:28 WK Mrigsira Ma

Mars 02:55 Pis +00:46:09 FM P.Bhadra Ju

MercR 08:19 Aqu -00:49:49 CM Shatbisha Ra

Jupt 08:38 Sag +00:10:49 FM Mula Ke

Ven 16:44 Pis +01:03:13 FM Revati Me

Sat R 24:08 Can -00:04:50 WK Aslesha Me

Rahu 28:38 Gem +00:01:48 FM Punarvasu Ju

Ketu 28:38 Sag +00:01:48 FM U.Shadya Su

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 153 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi

Yoga Pt: 9:03 Cn Yogi:Sa AviYogi:Mo Dup Yogi: Mo

Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 94%, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Bright,

Mars Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 41%,

Afflicted House MEP

Mercury Good Placement, Combust 42%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Jupiter Bad Placement,

Venus Good Placement,

Afflicts 5 11 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Bad Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 3 * * 1 **

*4 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO 05:25 * * * *

* RA 28:38* * * *

* * * * * MA 02:55*

*SAR24:08 * 2 AS 17:32 * 12 VE 16:44*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * SU 00:18 **

< FONT face="Courier New">*5 * 11 MER08:19 *

** * * **

*6 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 8 * 10 *

* * * * * *

* * * JU 08:38* *

* * * * KE 28:38 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 7 * * 9 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha/ div> *******************************************************

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* MA * * * *

* * * AS * * *

* * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * RA * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * & nbsp; * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*6 * 12 *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * & nbsp; * *

* * * MER * * *

*SU * 9 VE * 11 SAR *

* * * KE * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

=======================================

Me/Me 8.10.1942

Me/Ke 6.3.1945

Me/Ve 3.3.1946

Me/Su 1.1.1949

Me/Mo 7.11.1949

Me/Ma 9.4.1951

Me/Ra 5.4.1952

Me/Ju 23.10.1954

Me/Sa 28.1.1957

Ke/Ke 8.10.1959

Ke/Ve 5.3.1960

Ke/Su 6.5.1961

Ke/Mo 10.9.1961

Ke/Ma 11.4.1962

Ke/Ra 8.9.1962

Ke/Ju 26.9.1963

Ke/Sa 1.9.1964

Ke/Me 11.10.1965

Ve/Ve 8.10.1966

Ve/Su 7.2.1970

Ve/Mo 7.2.1971

Ve/Ma 8.10.1972

Ve/Ra 8.12.1973

Ve/Ju 7.12.1976

Ve/Sa 8.8.1979

Ve/Me 8.10.1982

Ve/Ke 8.8.1985

Su/Su 8.10.1986

Su/Mo 26.1.1987

Su/Ma 27.7.1987

Su/Ra 2.12.1987

Su/Ju 26.10.1988

Su/Sa 14.8.1989

Su/Me 27.7.1990

Su/Ke 2.6.1991

Su/Ve 8.10.1991

Mo/Mo 8.10.1992

Mo/Ma 8.8.1993

Mo/Ra 9.3.1994

Mo/Ju 8.9.1995

Mo/Sa 7.1.1997

Mo/Me 8.8.1998

Mo/Ke 8.1.2000

Mo/Ve 8.8.2000

Mo/Su 8.4.2002

Ma/Ma 8.10.2002

Ma/Ra 6.3.2003

Ma/Ju 24.3.2004

Ma/Sa 28.2.2005

Ma/Me 8.4.2006

Ma/Ke 6.4.2007

Ma/Ve 2.9.2007

Ma/Su 1.11.2008

Ma/Mo 9.3.2009

Ra/Ra 8.10.2009

Ra/Ju 20.6.2012

Ra/Sa 14.11.2014

Ra/Me 19.9.2017

Ra/Ke 8.4.2020

Ra/Ve 26.4.2021

Ra/Su 26.4.2024

Ra/Mo 21.3.2025

Ra/Ma 20.9.2026

Ju/Ju 8.10.2027

Ju/Sa 25.11.2029

Ju/Me 8.6.2032

Ju/Ke 14.9.2034

Ju/Ve 21.8.2035

Ju/Su 21.4.2038

Ju/Mo 7.2.2039

Ju/Ma 8.6.2040

Ju/Ra 15.5.2041

Sa/Sa 8.10.2043

Sa/Me 11.10.2046 Sa/Ke 20.6.2049

Sa/Ve 30.7.2050

Sa/Su 29.9.2053

Sa/Mo 11.9.2054

Sa/Ma 11.4.2056

Sa/Ra 21.5.2057Sa/Ju 27.3.2060

 

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Dear VKC ji,

 

When is Indian market is expected to improve.

 

Will steel sector rebound.

 

regards,

 

N.R. Srinatha

siha <sihaSAMVA Sent: Tuesday, 22 January, 2008 10:34:03 PMRe: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Hello Ajay, One of the significations of the tenth house is foreign trade. Global cues are the apparent reasons for the stock market setback is the fear of loss of export opportunities to US where the slow down of economy is apprehended. The slow down of the US economy has triggered the selling by the foreign institutional investors majority of whom are from US. The transit Saturn is currently in the fourth house. The prolonged influence of the MMP is always considerably bad. Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

ajay sehg

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:11 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Respected prof, vkc ji,In indian chart jupiter is mmp but why are we considering its exact tr aspect to tr saturn. In indian chart saturn represents lord of h10, which according to ur book represents executive, parliament, law & order and foreign trade.

 

In indian natal chart natal saturn is exactly afflicted by natal lord of h6 venus, so venus has colured saturn with its colours of financial stability, so is it due to exact effect of venus to saturn, we consider saturn also linked with financial stability of indian masses ( stock markets)

Thanks ajay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hello dear List Members, Indian stock market Senstive index closed lower by 875 points (5%) seeing an intraday loss of about 2246 points. Australians Markets also booked a loss of 6%. Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

Cosmologer

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:36 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

 

My dear ,

 

Thank you for highlighting the influences and congratulations on the successful prediction.

 

I have one question concerning the role of the aspect of Ketu at 3°52' Leo to Venus 3° 27' Sagittarius in the dramatic events on the financial markets. Would we expect it to have some additional influence, given the powerful influences of the other aspects already noted, such that this additional aspect helps to explain the severity of the volatility in the finanical markets, especially in the case of USA and India?

 

In the USA case, transit Ketu is in H2 while Venus is in H6 of financial stability. Natally Venus is weak in H6 and Ketu afflicts H4. Likewise, in the case of India, Venus is 6th lord in H8 while Ketu is in H4. Natally, Venus in H3 afflicts 10th lord Saturn by conjunction aspect and Ketu afflicts the 3rd house.

 

In this case, three aspects involve malefics or bad placement:

 

1) Rahu to Mars

USA: Rahu in H8 and L10 Mars in H12

INDIA: Rahu in H10 and L12 Mars in H2

 

2) Jupiter to Saturn

USA: L6 Jupiter in H6 and L8 Saturn in H2

INDIA: L8 Jupiter in H8 and L10 Saturn in H4

 

3) Ketu to Venus

USA: Ketu in H2 and L4 Venus in H6

INDIA: Ketu in H7 and L6 Venus in H8

 

helping to explain such a profound drop in the markets

 

Moreover, as

- the aspects of Jupiter to Saturn and Ketu to Venus begin to separate today

- the orb of the aspect of Rahu to Mars has become over 3° wide

- the orb of the aspect of Ketu to Venus becomes more than 3° on Friday

- the orb of the aspect of Jupiter to Saturn becomes over 1° during the day of Friday

would this suggest some improvement in the financial markets towards the end of the week?

 

Finally, the stock market in Japan has also been hammered, suggesting Jupiter is also an FM in the authentic chart there. For this country we have three chart choices (attached as Jyotish Tools files for those receiving emails with also that excellent software, but enclosed as text below for others).

 

The Post War constitution chart does a convincing job of explaining the massive stock drop:

Japan_Post War Constitution: 3° Capricorn rising, Sa/Ra period operating. Transit nodal axis afflicting H2 and H8 MEPs, with transit L2 Saturn in H8 under exact affliction of transit L12 Jupiter and transit L4 Mars in H6 afflicted by Rahu in H2.

 

The Meiji consitution chart does not look as compelling.

Japan_Meiji Consitution: 17° Taurus rising, Ma/Ve period operating. Has transit L12 Mars in H2 under aspect from Rahu in H10. L8 Jupiter in H8 afflicting L10 Saturn in H4.

 

The third chart has Jupiter as L1 but nodal axis is afflicting its natal placement.

Japan_Sovereignity: 7° Sagittarius rising, running Me/Me period has nodal axist conjunct natal nodes and transit L5 Mars conjunct natal L8 Moon!

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

PS with L2 Venus severely afflicted natally and in transit today, the weather in ICELAND has again become STORMY!

siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in>SAMVA Cc: @ s.comTuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets ha d the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

Japan Post-war Constitution

May 3, 1947 12:00 AM -09:00

Tokyo Longitude: 139E45 Latitude: 35N40

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SA/RA/VE

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 03:25 Cap U.Shadya Su

Sun 18:14 Ari +00:58:11 FM Bharani Ve

Moon 17:40 Vir +13:07:43 WK Hasta Mo

Mars 22:49 Pis +00:45:54 ST Revati MeMerc 03:47 Ari +01:52:36 WK Aswini Ke

JuptR 01:02 Sco -00:07:14 FM Vishakha Ju

Ven 15:52 Pis +01:12:00 ST U.Bhadra Sa

Sat 09:34 Can +00:03:02 WK Pushya & nb sp; Sa

Rahu 09:30 Tau -00:03:09 FM Krittika Su

Ketu 09:30 Sco -00:03:09 FM Anuradha Sa

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 667 beats

Day: Saturday Sunrise : 4:50 AM

Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi

Yoga Pt: 9:14 Cp Yogi:Su AviYogi:Sa Dup Yogi: Sa

Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement,

Moon Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Brig ht,

Mars Good Placement,

Mercury Good Placement, In Infancy: 24%,

Jupiter Good Placement, In Infancy: 79%,

Venus Good Placement,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Good Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 11 * * 9 **

*12* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*VE 15:52 * * * * JUR01:02* & nb sp;

*MA 22:49 * 10 AS 03:25 * 8 KE 09:30*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** & nb sp; ME 03:47 * * **

*1 SU 18:14 * 7 *

** * & nb sp; * **

*2 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 09:30 * 4 SA 09:34 * 6 MO 17:40*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 3 * * 5 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 12 * * 10 **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* RA * MA * *

* * * * * *

* * 11 AS * 9 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * & nbsp; * * *

** * * **

*2 ME * 8 VE *

** * * **

*3 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*MO * 5 * 7 *

* * * * * *

* * * SU * *

* * JUR * * SA * *

* * * * KE * *

* * * * * *

** 4 * * 6 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Mo/Mo 31.7.1941

Mo/Ma 31.5.1942

Mo/Ra 30.12.1942

Mo/Ju 30.6.1944

Mo/Sa 30.10.1945

Mo/Me 1.6.1947

Mo/Ke 30.10.1948

Mo/Ve 31.5.1949

Mo/Su 30.1..1951

Ma/Ma 1.8.1951

Ma/Ra 28.12.1951

Ma/Ju 14.1.1953

Ma/Sa 21.12.1953

Ma/Me 30.1.1955

Ma/Ke 27.1.1956

Ma/Ve 24.6.1956

Ma/Su 24.8.1957

Ma/Mo 30.12.1957

Ra/Ra 31.7.1958

Ra/Ju 12.4.1961

Ra/Sa 6.9.1963

Ra/Me 13.7.1966

Ra/Ke 29.1.1969

Ra/Ve 17.2.1970

Ra/Su 17.2.1973

Ra/Mo 11.1.1974

Ra/Ma 13.7.1975

Ju/Ju 31.7.1976

Ju/Sa 18.9.1978

Ju/Me 31.3.1981

Ju/Ke 7.7.1983

Ju/Ve 12.6.1984

Ju/Su 11.2.1987

Ju/Mo 30.11.1987

Ju/Ma 31.3.1989

Ju/Ra 7.3.1990

Sa/Sa 31.7.1992

Sa/Me 4.8.1995

Sa/Ke 13.4.1998

Sa/Ve 22.5.1999

Sa/Su 22.7.2002

Sa/Mo 4.7.2003

Sa/Ma 1.2.2005

Sa/Ra 13.3.2006

Sa/Ju 17.1.2009

Me/Me 31.7.2011

Me/Ke 27.12.2013 Me/Ve 24.12.2014

Me/Su 24.10.2017

Me/Mo 31.8.2018

Me/Ma 30.1.2020

Me/Ra 26.1.2021

Me/Ju 16.8.2023

Me/Sa 21.11.2025

Ke/Ke 31.7.2028

Ke/Ve 27.12.2028

Ke/Su 26.2.2030

Ke/Mo 4.7.2030

Ke/Ma 2.2.2031

Ke/Ra 1.7.2031

Ke/Ju 19.7.2032

Ke/Sa 24.6.2033

Ke/Me 3.8.2034

Ve/Ve 1.8.2035

Ve/Su 30.11.2038

Ve/Mo 30.11.2039

Ve/Ma 31.7.2041

Ve/Ra 30.9.2042

Ve/Ju 30.9.2045

Ve/Sa 31.5.2048

Ve/Me 1.8.2051

Ve/Ke 31.5.2054

Su/Su 1.8.2055

Su/Mo 18.11.2055

Su/Ma 19.5.2056

Su/Ra 24.9.2056

Su/Ju 18.8.2057

Su/Sa 6.6.2058

Su/Me 19.5.2059

Su/Ke 25.3.2060

Su/Ve 31.7.2060

Japan Sovereignity

Apr 28, 1952 10:30 PM -09:00

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:11 Current Period: ME/ME/SA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 07:19 Sag & nbs p; Mula Ke

Sun 15:00 Ari +00:58:19 WK Bharani Ve

Moon 05:29 Gem +12:14:31 FM Mrigsira Ma

MarsR 18:20 Lib -00:21:40 WK Swati Ra

Merc 19:01 Pis +00:42:11 WK Revati & nbs p; Me

Jupt 06:44 Ari +00:14:22 CM Aswini Ke

Ven 29:40 Pis +01:13:45 WK Revati Me

Sat R 16:27 Vir -00:03:47 WK Hasta Mo

Rahu 04:28 Aqu -00:07:09 FM Dhanishtha Ma

Ketu 04:28 Leo -00:07:09 FM Magha Ke

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 4:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Panchami

Yoga Pt: 23:49 Vi Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me

Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Moon Not Bright 29%,

Afflicts 1 7 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Mars Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated,

Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 27%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 93%,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

Ketu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 10 * * 8 **

*11* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 04:28 * 9 AS 07:19 * 7 MAR18:20*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** ME 19:01 * * **

*12 VE 29:40 * 6 SAR16:27 *

** * * **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * & nbsp; * *

*JU 06:44 * * * * *

*SU 15:00 * 3 MO 05:29 * 5 KE 04:28*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 2 * * 4 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * ; * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * & nbsp; * SAR * *

* * * KE * *

* * * AS * * *

*SU * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * MAR **

*6 * 12 VE *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * & nbsp; * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 9 ME * 11 *

* * * * * *

* MO * * * *

* * RA * * * *

* * * * & nb sp; * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Ma/Ma 11.12.1945

Ma/Ra 9.5.1946

Ma/Ju 28.5.1947

Ma/Sa 3.5.1948

Ma/Me 11.6.1949

Ma/Ke 9.6.1950

Ma/Ve 5.11.1950

Ma/Su 5.1.1952

Ma/Mo 12.5.1952

Ra/Ra 11.12.1952

Ra/Ju 24.8.1955

Ra/Sa 17.1.1958

Ra/Me 22.11.1960

Ra/Ke 12.6.1963

Ra/Ve 29.6.1964

Ra/Su 30.6.1967

Ra/Mo 24.5.1968

Ra/Ma 23.11.1969

Ju/Ju 11.12.1970

Ju/Sa 28.1.1973

Ju/Me 12.8.1975

Ju/Ke 17.11.1977

Ju/Ve 24.10.1978

Ju/Su 24.6.1981

Ju/Mo 12.4.1982

Ju/Ma 12.8.1983

Ju/Ra 18.7.1984

Sa/Sa 11.12.1986

Sa/Me 14.12.1989

Sa/Ke 23.8.1992

Sa/Ve 2.10.1993

Sa/Su 2.12.1996

Sa/Mo 14.11.1997

Sa/Ma 15.6.1999

Sa/Ra 24.7.2000

Sa/Ju 31.5..2003

Me/Me 11.12.2005

Me/Ke 9.5.2008

Me/Ve 6.5.2009

Me/Su 6.3.2012

Me/Mo 10.1.2013

Me/Ma 12.6.2014

Me/Ra 9.6.2015

Me/Ju 26.12.2017

Me/Sa 2.4.2020

Ke/Ke 11.12.2022

Ke/Ve 9.5.2023

Ke/Su 9.7.2024

Ke/Mo 13.11.2024

Ke/Ma 14.6.2025

Ke/Ra 1 1.11.2025

Ke/Ju 29.11.2026

Ke/Sa 5.11.2027

Ke/Me 14.12.2028

Ve/Ve 11.12.2029

Ve/Su 12.4.2033

Ve/Mo 12.4.2034

Ve/Ma 12.12.2035

Ve/Ra 10.2.2037

Ve/Ju 10.2.2040

Ve/Sa 11.10.2042

Ve/Me 11.12.2045

Ve/Ke 11.10.2048

Su/Su 11.12.2049

Su/Mo 31.3.2050

Su/Ma 29.9.2050

Su/Ra 4.2.2051

Su/Ju 30.12.2051

Su/Sa 17.10.2052

Su/Me 29.9.2053

Su/Ke 5.8.2054

Su/Ve 11.12.2054

Mo/Mo 12.12.2055

Mo/Ma 11.10.2056

Mo/Ra 12.5.2057

Mo/Ju 11.11.2058

Mo/Sa 12.3.2060

Mo/Me 11.10.2061

Mo/Ke 13.3.2063

Mo/Ve 12.10.2063

Mo/Su 11.6.2065

Japan Meiji Const

Feb 11, 1889 12:00 PM -09:19 LMT

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:18 Current Period: MA/VE/MA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 17:32 Tau Rohini Mo

Sun 00:18 Aqu +01: 00:39 WK Dhanishtha Ma

Moon 05:25 Gem +11:54:28 WK Mrigsira Ma

Mars 02:55 Pis +00:46:09 FM P.Bhadra Ju

MercR 08:19 Aqu -00:49:49 CM Shatbisha Ra

Jupt 08:38 Sag +00:10:49 FM Mula Ke

Ven 16:44 Pis +01:03:13 FM Revati Me

Sat R 24:08 Can -00:04:50 WK Aslesha Me

Rahu 28:38 Gem +00:01:48 FM Punarvasu Ju

Ketu 28:38 Sag +00:01:48 FM U.Shadya Su

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 153 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi

Yoga Pt: 9:03 Cn Yogi:Sa AviYogi:Mo Dup Yogi: Mo

Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 94%, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Bright,

Mars Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 41%,

Afflicted House MEP

Mercury Good Placement, Combust 42%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Jupiter Bad Placement,

Venus Good Placement,

Afflicts 5 11 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Bad Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 3 * * 1 **

*4 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO 05:25 * * * *

* RA 28:38* * * *

* * * * * MA 02:55*

*SAR24:08 * 2 AS 17:32 * 12 VE 16:44*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * SU 00:18 **

< FONT face="Courier New">*5 * 11 MER08:19 *

** * * **

*6 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 8 * 10 *

* * * * * *

* * * JU 08:38* *

* * * * KE 28:38 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 7 * * 9 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha/ div> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* MA * * * *

* * * AS * * *

* * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * RA * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * & nbsp; * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*6 * 12 *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * & nbsp; * *

* * * MER * * *

*SU * 9 VE * 11 SAR *

* * * KE * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Me/Me 8.10.1942

Me/Ke 6.3.1945

Me/Ve 3.3.1946

Me/Su 1.1.1949

Me/Mo 7.11..1949

Me/Ma 9.4.1951

Me/Ra 5.4.1952

Me/Ju 23.10.1954

Me/Sa 28.1.1957

Ke/Ke 8.10.1959

Ke/Ve 5.3.1960

Ke/Su 6.5.1961

Ke/Mo 10.9.1961

Ke/Ma 11.4.1962

Ke/Ra 8.9.1962

Ke/Ju 26.9.1963

Ke/Sa 1.9.1964

Ke/Me 11.10.1965

Ve/Ve 8.10.1966

Ve/Su 7.2.1970

Ve/Mo 7.2.1971

Ve/Ma 8.10.1972

Ve/Ra 8.12.1973

Ve/Ju 7.12.1976

Ve/Sa 8.8.1979

Ve/Me 8.10.1982

Ve/Ke 8.8.1985

Su/Su 8.10.1986

Su/Mo 26.1.1987

Su/Ma 27.7.1987

Su/Ra 2.12.1987

Su/Ju 26.10.1988

Su/Sa 14.8.1989

Su/Me 27.7.1990

Su/Ke 2.6.1991

Su/Ve 8.10.1991

Mo/Mo 8.10.1992

Mo/Ma 8.8.1993

Mo/Ra 9.3.1994

Mo/Ju 8.9.1995

Mo/Sa 7.1.1997

Mo/Me 8.8.1998

Mo/Ke 8.1.2000

Mo/Ve 8.8.2000

Mo/Su 8.4.2002

Ma/Ma 8.10.2002

Ma/Ra 6.3.2003

Ma/Ju 24.3.2004

Ma/Sa 28.2.2005

Ma/Me 8.4.2006

Ma/Ke 6.4.2007

Ma/Ve 2.9.2007

Ma/Su 1.11.2008

Ma/Mo 9.3.2009

Ra/Ra 8.10.2009

Ra/Ju 20.6.2012

Ra/Sa 14.11.2014

Ra/Me 19.9.2017

Ra/Ke 8.4.2020

Ra/Ve 26.4.2021

Ra/Su 26.4.2024

Ra/Mo 21.3.2025

Ra/Ma 20.9.2026

Ju/Ju 8.10.2027

Ju/Sa 25.11.2029

Ju/Me 8.6.2032

Ju/Ke 14.9.2034

Ju/Ve 21.8.2035

Ju/Su 21.4.2038

Ju/Mo 7.2.2039

Ju/Ma 8.6.2040

Ju/Ra 15.5.2041

Sa/Sa 8.10.2043

Sa/Me 11.10.2046 Sa/Ke 20.6.2049

Sa/Ve 30.7.2050

Sa/Su 29.9.2053

Sa/Mo 11.9.2054

Sa/Ma 11.4.2056

Sa/Ra 21.5.2057Sa/Ju 27.3.2060

 

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Hello Mr. Srinatha, The improvement is likely to come in between but on a more positive note it would be in March, 2008. Steel sector would also improve.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

n r srinatha

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:45 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

Dear VKC ji,

 

When is Indian market is expected to improve.

 

Will steel sector rebound.

 

regards,

 

N.R. Srinatha

siha <siha (AT) airtelbroadband (DOT) in>SAMVA Sent: Tuesday, 22 January, 2008 10:34:03 PMRe: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Hello Ajay, One of the significations of the tenth house is foreign trade. Global cues are the apparent reasons for the stock market setback is the fear of loss of export opportunities to US where the slow down of economy is apprehended. The slow down of the US economy has triggered the selling by the foreign institutional investors majority of whom are from US. The transit Saturn is currently in the fourth house. The prolonged influence of the MMP is always considerably bad. Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

ajay sehg

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:11 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Respected prof, vkc ji,In indian chart jupiter is mmp but why are we considering its exact tr aspect to tr saturn. In indian chart saturn represents lord of h10, which according to ur book represents executive, parliament, law & order and foreign trade.

 

In indian natal chart natal saturn is exactly afflicted by natal lord of h6 venus, so venus has colured saturn with its colours of financial stability, so is it due to exact effect of venus to saturn, we consider saturn also linked with financial stability of indian masses ( stock markets)

Thanks ajay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hello dear List Members, Indian stock market Senstive index closed lower by 875 points (5%) seeing an intraday loss of about 2246 points. Australians Markets also booked a loss of 6%. Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

Cosmologer

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:36 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

 

My dear ,

 

Thank you for highlighting the influences and congratulations on the successful prediction.

 

I have one question concerning the role of the aspect of Ketu at 3°52' Leo to Venus 3° 27' Sagittarius in the dramatic events on the financial markets. Would we expect it to have some additional influence, given the powerful influences of the other aspects already noted, such that this additional aspect helps to explain the severity of the volatility in the finanical markets, especially in the case of USA and India?

 

In the USA case, transit Ketu is in H2 while Venus is in H6 of financial stability. Natally Venus is weak in H6 and Ketu afflicts H4. Likewise, in the case of India, Venus is 6th lord in H8 while Ketu is in H4. Natally, Venus in H3 afflicts 10th lord Saturn by conjunction aspect and Ketu afflicts the 3rd house.

 

In this case, three aspects involve malefics or bad placement:

 

1) Rahu to Mars

USA: Rahu in H8 and L10 Mars in H12

INDIA: Rahu in H10 and L12 Mars in H2

 

2) Jupiter to Saturn

USA: L6 Jupiter in H6 and L8 Saturn in H2

INDIA: L8 Jupiter in H8 and L10 Saturn in H4

 

3) Ketu to Venus

USA: Ketu in H2 and L4 Venus in H6

INDIA: Ketu in H7 and L6 Venus in H8

 

helping to explain such a profound drop in the markets

 

Moreover, as

- the aspects of Jupiter to Saturn and Ketu to Venus begin to separate today

- the orb of the aspect of Rahu to Mars has become over 3° wide

- the orb of the aspect of Ketu to Venus becomes more than 3° on Friday

- the orb of the aspect of Jupiter to Saturn becomes over 1° during the day of Friday

would this suggest some improvement in the financial markets towards the end of the week?

 

Finally, the stock market in Japan has also been hammered, suggesting Jupiter is also an FM in the authentic chart there. For this country we have three chart choices (attached as Jyotish Tools files for those receiving emails with also that excellent software, but enclosed as text below for others).

 

The Post War constitution chart does a convincing job of explaining the massive stock drop:

Japan_Post War Constitution: 3° Capricorn rising, Sa/Ra period operating. Transit nodal axis afflicting H2 and H8 MEPs, with transit L2 Saturn in H8 under exact affliction of transit L12 Jupiter and transit L4 Mars in H6 afflicted by Rahu in H2.

 

The Meiji consitution chart does not look as compelling.

Japan_Meiji Consitution: 17° Taurus rising, Ma/Ve period operating. Has transit L12 Mars in H2 under aspect from Rahu in H10. L8 Jupiter in H8 afflicting L10 Saturn in H4.

 

The third chart has Jupiter as L1 but nodal axis is afflicting its natal placement.

Japan_Sovereignity: 7° Sagittarius rising, running Me/Me period has nodal axist conjunct natal nodes and transit L5 Mars conjunct natal L8 Moon!

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

PS with L2 Venus severely afflicted natally and in transit today, the weather in ICELAND has again become STORMY!

siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in>SAMVA Cc: @ s.comTuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets ha d the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

Japan Post-war Constitution

May 3, 1947 12:00 AM -09:00

Tokyo Longitude: 139E45 Latitude: 35N40

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SA/RA/VE

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 03:25 Cap U.Shadya Su

Sun 18:14 Ari +00:58:11 FM Bharani Ve

Moon 17:40 Vir +13:07:43 WK Hasta Mo

Mars 22:49 Pis +00:45:54 ST Revati MeMerc 03:47 Ari +01:52:36 WK Aswini Ke

JuptR 01:02 Sco -00:07:14 FM Vishakha Ju

Ven 15:52 Pis +01:12:00 ST U.Bhadra Sa

Sat 09:34 Can +00:03:02 WK Pushya & nb sp; Sa

Rahu 09:30 Tau -00:03:09 FM Krittika Su

Ketu 09:30 Sco -00:03:09 FM Anuradha Sa

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 667 beats

Day: Saturday Sunrise : 4:50 AM

Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi

Yoga Pt: 9:14 Cp Yogi:Su AviYogi:Sa Dup Yogi: Sa

Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement,

Moon Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Brig ht,

Mars Good Placement,

Mercury Good Placement, In Infancy: 24%,

Jupiter Good Placement, In Infancy: 79%,

Venus Good Placement,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Good Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 11 * * 9 **

*12* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*VE 15:52 * * * * JUR01:02* & nb sp;

*MA 22:49 * 10 AS 03:25 * 8 KE 09:30*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** & nb sp; ME 03:47 * * **

*1 SU 18:14 * 7 *

** * & nb sp; * **

*2 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 09:30 * 4 SA 09:34 * 6 MO 17:40*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 3 * * 5 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 12 * * 10 **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* RA * MA * *

* * * * * *

* * 11 AS * 9 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * & nbsp; * * *

** * * **

*2 ME * 8 VE *

** * * **

*3 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*MO * 5 * 7 *

* * * * * *

* * * SU * *

* * JUR * * SA * *

* * * * KE * *

* * * * * *

** 4 * * 6 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Mo/Mo 31.7.1941

Mo/Ma 31.5.1942

Mo/Ra 30.12.1942

Mo/Ju 30.6.1944

Mo/Sa 30.10.1945

Mo/Me 1.6.1947

Mo/Ke 30.10.1948

Mo/Ve 31.5.1949

Mo/Su 30.1..1951

Ma/Ma 1.8.1951

Ma/Ra 28.12.1951

Ma/Ju 14.1.1953

Ma/Sa 21.12.1953

Ma/Me 30.1.1955

Ma/Ke 27.1.1956

Ma/Ve 24.6.1956

Ma/Su 24.8.1957

Ma/Mo 30.12.1957

Ra/Ra 31.7.1958

Ra/Ju 12.4.1961

Ra/Sa 6.9.1963

Ra/Me 13.7.1966

Ra/Ke 29.1.1969

Ra/Ve 17.2.1970

Ra/Su 17.2.1973

Ra/Mo 11.1.1974

Ra/Ma 13.7.1975

Ju/Ju 31.7.1976

Ju/Sa 18.9.1978

Ju/Me 31.3.1981

Ju/Ke 7.7.1983

Ju/Ve 12.6.1984

Ju/Su 11.2.1987

Ju/Mo 30.11.1987

Ju/Ma 31.3.1989

Ju/Ra 7.3.1990

Sa/Sa 31.7.1992

Sa/Me 4.8.1995

Sa/Ke 13.4.1998

Sa/Ve 22.5.1999

Sa/Su 22.7.2002

Sa/Mo 4.7.2003

Sa/Ma 1.2.2005

Sa/Ra 13.3.2006

Sa/Ju 17.1.2009

Me/Me 31.7.2011

Me/Ke 27.12.2013 Me/Ve 24.12.2014

Me/Su 24.10.2017

Me/Mo 31.8.2018

Me/Ma 30.1.2020

Me/Ra 26.1.2021

Me/Ju 16.8.2023

Me/Sa 21.11.2025

Ke/Ke 31.7.2028

Ke/Ve 27.12.2028

Ke/Su 26.2.2030

Ke/Mo 4.7.2030

Ke/Ma 2.2.2031

Ke/Ra 1.7.2031

Ke/Ju 19.7.2032

Ke/Sa 24.6.2033

Ke/Me 3.8.2034

Ve/Ve 1.8.2035

Ve/Su 30.11.2038

Ve/Mo 30.11.2039

Ve/Ma 31.7.2041

Ve/Ra 30.9.2042

Ve/Ju 30.9.2045

Ve/Sa 31.5.2048

Ve/Me 1.8.2051

Ve/Ke 31.5.2054

Su/Su 1.8.2055

Su/Mo 18.11.2055

Su/Ma 19.5.2056

Su/Ra 24.9.2056

Su/Ju 18.8.2057

Su/Sa 6.6.2058

Su/Me 19.5.2059

Su/Ke 25.3.2060

Su/Ve 31.7.2060

Japan Sovereignity

Apr 28, 1952 10:30 PM -09:00

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:11 Current Period: ME/ME/SA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 07:19 Sag & nbs p; Mula Ke

Sun 15:00 Ari +00:58:19 WK Bharani Ve

Moon 05:29 Gem +12:14:31 FM Mrigsira Ma

MarsR 18:20 Lib -00:21:40 WK Swati Ra

Merc 19:01 Pis +00:42:11 WK Revati & nbs p; Me

Jupt 06:44 Ari +00:14:22 CM Aswini Ke

Ven 29:40 Pis +01:13:45 WK Revati Me

Sat R 16:27 Vir -00:03:47 WK Hasta Mo

Rahu 04:28 Aqu -00:07:09 FM Dhanishtha Ma

Ketu 04:28 Leo -00:07:09 FM Magha Ke

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 4:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Panchami

Yoga Pt: 23:49 Vi Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me

Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Moon Not Bright 29%,

Afflicts 1 7 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Mars Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated,

Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 27%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 93%,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

Ketu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 10 * * 8 **

*11* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 04:28 * 9 AS 07:19 * 7 MAR18:20*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** ME 19:01 * * **

*12 VE 29:40 * 6 SAR16:27 *

** * * **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * & nbsp; * *

*JU 06:44 * * * * *

*SU 15:00 * 3 MO 05:29 * 5 KE 04:28*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 2 * * 4 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * ; * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * & nbsp; * SAR * *

* * * KE * *

* * * AS * * *

*SU * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * MAR **

*6 * 12 VE *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * & nbsp; * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 9 ME * 11 *

* * * * * *

* MO * * * *

* * RA * * * *

* * * * & nb sp; * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Ma/Ma 11.12.1945

Ma/Ra 9.5.1946

Ma/Ju 28.5.1947

Ma/Sa 3.5.1948

Ma/Me 11.6.1949

Ma/Ke 9.6.1950

Ma/Ve 5.11.1950

Ma/Su 5.1.1952

Ma/Mo 12.5.1952

Ra/Ra 11.12.1952

Ra/Ju 24.8.1955

Ra/Sa 17.1.1958

Ra/Me 22.11.1960

Ra/Ke 12.6.1963

Ra/Ve 29.6.1964

Ra/Su 30.6.1967

Ra/Mo 24.5.1968

Ra/Ma 23.11.1969

Ju/Ju 11.12.1970

Ju/Sa 28.1.1973

Ju/Me 12.8.1975

Ju/Ke 17.11.1977

Ju/Ve 24.10.1978

Ju/Su 24.6.1981

Ju/Mo 12.4.1982

Ju/Ma 12.8.1983

Ju/Ra 18.7.1984

Sa/Sa 11.12.1986

Sa/Me 14.12.1989

Sa/Ke 23.8.1992

Sa/Ve 2.10.1993

Sa/Su 2.12.1996

Sa/Mo 14.11.1997

Sa/Ma 15.6.1999

Sa/Ra 24.7.2000

Sa/Ju 31.5..2003

Me/Me 11.12.2005

Me/Ke 9.5.2008

Me/Ve 6.5.2009

Me/Su 6.3.2012

Me/Mo 10.1.2013

Me/Ma 12.6.2014

Me/Ra 9.6.2015

Me/Ju 26.12.2017

Me/Sa 2.4.2020

Ke/Ke 11.12.2022

Ke/Ve 9.5.2023

Ke/Su 9.7.2024

Ke/Mo 13.11.2024

Ke/Ma 14.6.2025

Ke/Ra 1 1.11.2025

Ke/Ju 29.11.2026

Ke/Sa 5.11.2027

Ke/Me 14.12.2028

Ve/Ve 11.12.2029

Ve/Su 12.4.2033

Ve/Mo 12.4.2034

Ve/Ma 12.12.2035

Ve/Ra 10.2.2037

Ve/Ju 10.2.2040

Ve/Sa 11.10.2042

Ve/Me 11.12.2045

Ve/Ke 11.10.2048

Su/Su 11.12.2049

Su/Mo 31.3.2050

Su/Ma 29.9.2050

Su/Ra 4.2.2051

Su/Ju 30.12.2051

Su/Sa 17.10.2052

Su/Me 29.9.2053

Su/Ke 5.8.2054

Su/Ve 11.12.2054

Mo/Mo 12.12.2055

Mo/Ma 11.10.2056

Mo/Ra 12.5.2057

Mo/Ju 11.11.2058

Mo/Sa 12.3.2060

Mo/Me 11.10.2061

Mo/Ke 13.3.2063

Mo/Ve 12.10.2063

Mo/Su 11.6.2065

Japan Meiji Const

Feb 11, 1889 12:00 PM -09:19 LMT

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:18 Current Period: MA/VE/MA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 17:32 Tau Rohini Mo

Sun 00:18 Aqu +01: 00:39 WK Dhanishtha Ma

Moon 05:25 Gem +11:54:28 WK Mrigsira Ma

Mars 02:55 Pis +00:46:09 FM P.Bhadra Ju

MercR 08:19 Aqu -00:49:49 CM Shatbisha Ra

Jupt 08:38 Sag +00:10:49 FM Mula Ke

Ven 16:44 Pis +01:03:13 FM Revati Me

Sat R 24:08 Can -00:04:50 WK Aslesha Me

Rahu 28:38 Gem +00:01:48 FM Punarvasu Ju

Ketu 28:38 Sag +00:01:48 FM U.Shadya Su

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 153 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi

Yoga Pt: 9:03 Cn Yogi:Sa AviYogi:Mo Dup Yogi: Mo

Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 94%, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Bright,

Mars Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 41%,

Afflicted House MEP

Mercury Good Placement, Combust 42%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Jupiter Bad Placement,

Venus Good Placement,

Afflicts 5 11 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Bad Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 3 * * 1 **

*4 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO 05:25 * * * *

* RA 28:38* * * *

* * * * * MA 02:55*

*SAR24:08 * 2 AS 17:32 * 12 VE 16:44*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * SU 00:18 **

< FONT face="Courier New">*5 * 11 MER08:19 *

** * * **

*6 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 8 * 10 *

* * * * * *

* * * JU 08:38* *

* * * * KE 28:38 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 7 * * 9 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha/ div> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* MA * * * *

* * * AS * * *

* * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * RA * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * & nbsp; * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*6 * 12 *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * & nbsp; * *

* * * MER * * *

*SU * 9 VE * 11 SAR *

* * * KE * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Me/Me 8.10.1942

Me/Ke 6.3.1945

Me/Ve 3.3.1946

Me/Su 1.1.1949

Me/Mo 7.11..1949

Me/Ma 9.4.1951

Me/Ra 5.4.1952

Me/Ju 23.10.1954

Me/Sa 28.1.1957

Ke/Ke 8.10.1959

Ke/Ve 5.3.1960

Ke/Su 6.5.1961

Ke/Mo 10.9.1961

Ke/Ma 11.4.1962

Ke/Ra 8.9.1962

Ke/Ju 26.9.1963

Ke/Sa 1.9.1964

Ke/Me 11.10.1965

Ve/Ve 8.10.1966

Ve/Su 7.2.1970

Ve/Mo 7.2.1971

Ve/Ma 8.10.1972

Ve/Ra 8.12.1973

Ve/Ju 7.12.1976

Ve/Sa 8.8.1979

Ve/Me 8.10.1982

Ve/Ke 8.8.1985

Su/Su 8.10.1986

Su/Mo 26.1.1987

Su/Ma 27.7.1987

Su/Ra 2.12.1987

Su/Ju 26.10.1988

Su/Sa 14.8.1989

Su/Me 27.7.1990

Su/Ke 2.6.1991

Su/Ve 8.10.1991

Mo/Mo 8.10.1992

Mo/Ma 8.8.1993

Mo/Ra 9.3.1994

Mo/Ju 8.9.1995

Mo/Sa 7.1.1997

Mo/Me 8.8.1998

Mo/Ke 8.1.2000

Mo/Ve 8.8.2000

Mo/Su 8.4.2002

Ma/Ma 8.10.2002

Ma/Ra 6.3.2003

Ma/Ju 24.3.2004

Ma/Sa 28.2.2005

Ma/Me 8.4.2006

Ma/Ke 6.4.2007

Ma/Ve 2.9.2007

Ma/Su 1.11.2008

Ma/Mo 9.3.2009

Ra/Ra 8.10.2009

Ra/Ju 20.6.2012

Ra/Sa 14.11.2014

Ra/Me 19.9.2017

Ra/Ke 8.4.2020

Ra/Ve 26.4.2021

Ra/Su 26.4.2024

Ra/Mo 21.3.2025

Ra/Ma 20.9.2026

Ju/Ju 8.10.2027

Ju/Sa 25.11.2029

Ju/Me 8.6.2032

Ju/Ke 14.9.2034

Ju/Ve 21.8.2035

Ju/Su 21.4.2038

Ju/Mo 7.2.2039

Ju/Ma 8.6.2040

Ju/Ra 15.5.2041

Sa/Sa 8.10.2043

Sa/Me 11.10.2046 Sa/Ke 20.6.2049

Sa/Ve 30.7.2050

Sa/Su 29.9.2053

Sa/Mo 11.9.2054

Sa/Ma 11.4.2056

Sa/Ra 21.5.2057Sa/Ju 27.3.2060

 

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Hello Rick:

 

My method predicted. But I did not write for the LIST because Mr. Thor omits my

messages the moment I use the words " Solar Return Chart " .

 

You can contact me offlist if you want as some others do.

 

Thanks

 

Raj

 

Rick <rdrugist wrote:

Pranam,

 

Why no one predict this before market drops?

 

Regards

rp

 

, " siha " <siha wrote:

>

>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious

setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and

India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a

functional malefic.

>

> Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this

touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

>

> The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th

January and is to last upto 25th January.

>

> This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences

brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak

transit Mars by transit Rahu.

>

> In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit

Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and

second houses.

>

> Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by

US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

>

> Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to

slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear VKC ji,

 

Thanks for your explanations.

 

Can I understand that Stock Market in India will remain volatile till March, 2008.

 

thanks,

N.R. Srinatha

siha <sihaSAMVA Cc: Sent: Tuesday, 22 January, 2008 11:03:14 PMRe: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 



Hello Mr. Srinatha, The improvement is likely to come in between but on a more positive note it would be in March, 2008. Steel sector would also improve.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

n r srinatha

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:45 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

Dear VKC ji,

 

When is Indian market is expected to improve.

 

Will steel sector rebound.

 

regards,

 

N.R. Srinatha

siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in>SAMVA Tuesday, 22 January, 2008 10:34:03 PMRe: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Hello Ajay, One of the significations of the tenth house is foreign trade. Global cues are the apparent reasons for the stock market setback is the fear of loss of export opportunities to US where the slow down of economy is apprehended. The slow down of the US economy has triggered the selling by the foreign institutional investors majority of whom are from US.. The transit Saturn is currently in the fourth house. The prolonged influence of the MMP is always considerably bad. Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

ajay sehg

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:11 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Respected prof, vkc ji,In indian chart jupiter is mmp but why are we considering its exact tr aspect to tr saturn. In indian chart saturn represents lord of h10, which according to ur book represents executive, parliament, law & order and foreign trade.

 

In indian natal chart natal saturn is exactly afflicted by natal lord of h6 venus, so venus has colured saturn with its colours of financial stability, so is it due to exact effect of venus to saturn, we consider saturn also linked with financial stability of indian masses ( stock markets)

Thanks ajay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hello dear List Members, Indian stock market Senstive index closed lower by 875 points (5%) seeing an intraday loss of about 2246 points. Australians Markets also booked a loss of 6%. Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

Cosmologer

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:36 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

 

My dear ,

 

Thank you for highlighting the influences and congratulations on the successful prediction.

 

I have one question concerning the role of the aspect of Ketu at 3°52' Leo to Venus 3° 27' Sagittarius in the dramatic events on the financial markets. Would we expect it to have some additional influence, given the powerful influences of the other aspects already noted, such that this additional aspect helps to explain the severity of the volatility in the finanical markets, especially in the case of USA and India?

 

In the USA case, transit Ketu is in H2 while Venus is in H6 of financial stability. Natally Venus is weak in H6 and Ketu afflicts H4. Likewise, in the case of India, Venus is 6th lord in H8 while Ketu is in H4. Natally, Venus in H3 afflicts 10th lord Saturn by conjunction aspect and Ketu afflicts the 3rd house.

 

In this case, three aspects involve malefics or bad placement:

 

1) Rahu to Mars

USA: Rahu in H8 and L10 Mars in H12

INDIA: Rahu in H10 and L12 Mars in H2

 

2) Jupiter to Saturn

USA: L6 Jupiter in H6 and L8 Saturn in H2

INDIA: L8 Jupiter in H8 and L10 Saturn in H4

 

3) Ketu to Venus

USA: Ketu in H2 and L4 Venus in H6

INDIA: Ketu in H7 and L6 Venus in H8

 

helping to explain such a profound drop in the markets

 

Moreover, as

- the aspects of Jupiter to Saturn and Ketu to Venus begin to separate today

- the orb of the aspect of Rahu to Mars has become over 3° wide

- the orb of the aspect of Ketu to Venus becomes more than 3° on Friday

- the orb of the aspect of Jupiter to Saturn becomes over 1° during the day of Friday

would this suggest some improvement in the financial markets towards the end of the week?

 

Finally, the stock market in Japan has also been hammered, suggesting Jupiter is also an FM in the authentic chart there. For this country we have three chart choices (attached as Jyotish Tools files for those receiving emails with also that excellent software, but enclosed as text below for others).

 

The Post War constitution chart does a convincing job of explaining the massive stock drop:

Japan_Post War Constitution: 3° Capricorn rising, Sa/Ra period operating. Transit nodal axis afflicting H2 and H8 MEPs, with transit L2 Saturn in H8 under exact affliction of transit L12 Jupiter and transit L4 Mars in H6 afflicted by Rahu in H2.

 

The Meiji consitution chart does not look as compelling.

Japan_Meiji Consitution: 17° Taurus rising, Ma/Ve period operating. Has transit L12 Mars in H2 under aspect from Rahu in H10. L8 Jupiter in H8 afflicting L10 Saturn in H4.

 

The third chart has Jupiter as L1 but nodal axis is afflicting its natal placement.

Japan_Sovereignity: 7° Sagittarius rising, running Me/Me period has nodal axist conjunct natal nodes and transit L5 Mars conjunct natal L8 Moon!

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

PS with L2 Venus severely afflicted natally and in transit today, the weather in ICELAND has again become STORMY!

siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in>SAMVA Cc: @ s.comTuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets ha d the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

Japan Post-war Constitution

May 3, 1947 12:00 AM -09:00

Tokyo Longitude: 139E45 Latitude: 35N40

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SA/RA/VE

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 03:25 Cap U.Shadya Su

Sun 18:14 Ari +00:58:11 FM Bharani Ve

Moon 17:40 Vir +13:07:43 WK Hasta Mo

Mars 22:49 Pis +00:45:54 ST Revati MeMerc 03:47 Ari +01:52:36 WK Aswini Ke

JuptR 01:02 Sco -00:07:14 FM Vishakha Ju

Ven 15:52 Pis +01:12:00 ST U.Bhadra Sa

Sat 09:34 Can +00:03:02 WK Pushya & nb sp; Sa

Rahu 09:30 Tau -00:03:09 FM Krittika Su

Ketu 09:30 Sco -00:03:09 FM Anuradha Sa

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 667 beats

Day: Saturday Sunrise : 4:50 AM

Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi

Yoga Pt: 9:14 Cp Yogi:Su AviYogi:Sa Dup Yogi: Sa

Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement,

Moon Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Brig ht,

Mars Good Placement,

Mercury Good Placement, In Infancy: 24%,

Jupiter Good Placement, In Infancy: 79%,

Venus Good Placement,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Good Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 11 * * 9 **

*12* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*VE 15:52 * * * * JUR01:02* & nb sp;

*MA 22:49 * 10 AS 03:25 * 8 KE 09:30*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** & nb sp; ME 03:47 * * **

*1 SU 18:14 * 7 *

** * & nb sp; * **

*2 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 09:30 * 4 SA 09:34 * 6 MO 17:40*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 3 * * 5 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 12 * * 10 **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* RA * MA * *

* * * * * *

* * 11 AS * 9 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * & nbsp; * * *

** * * **

*2 ME * 8 VE *

** * * **

*3 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*MO * 5 * 7 *

* * * * * *

* * * SU * *

* * JUR * * SA * *

* * * * KE * *

* * * * * *

** 4 * * 6 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Mo/Mo 31.7.1941

Mo/Ma 31.5.1942

Mo/Ra 30.12.1942

Mo/Ju 30.6.1944

Mo/Sa 30.10.1945

Mo/Me 1.6.1947

Mo/Ke 30.10.1948

Mo/Ve 31.5.1949

Mo/Su 30.1..1951

Ma/Ma 1.8.1951

Ma/Ra 28.12.1951

Ma/Ju 14.1.1953

Ma/Sa 21.12.1953

Ma/Me 30.1.1955

Ma/Ke 27.1.1956

Ma/Ve 24.6.1956

Ma/Su 24.8.1957

Ma/Mo 30.12.1957

Ra/Ra 31.7.1958

Ra/Ju 12.4.1961

Ra/Sa 6.9.1963

Ra/Me 13.7.1966

Ra/Ke 29.1.1969

Ra/Ve 17.2.1970

Ra/Su 17.2.1973

Ra/Mo 11.1.1974

Ra/Ma 13.7.1975

Ju/Ju 31.7.1976

Ju/Sa 18.9.1978

Ju/Me 31.3.1981

Ju/Ke 7.7.1983

Ju/Ve 12.6.1984

Ju/Su 11.2.1987

Ju/Mo 30.11.1987

Ju/Ma 31.3.1989

Ju/Ra 7.3..1990

Sa/Sa 31.7.1992

Sa/Me 4.8.1995

Sa/Ke 13.4.1998

Sa/Ve 22.5.1999

Sa/Su 22.7.2002

Sa/Mo 4.7.2003

Sa/Ma 1.2.2005

Sa/Ra 13.3.2006

Sa/Ju 17.1.2009

Me/Me 31.7.2011

Me/Ke 27.12.2013 Me/Ve 24.12.2014

Me/Su 24.10.2017

Me/Mo 31.8.2018

Me/Ma 30.1.2020

Me/Ra 26.1.2021

Me/Ju 16.8.2023

Me/Sa 21.11.2025

Ke/Ke 31.7.2028

Ke/Ve 27.12.2028

Ke/Su 26.2.2030

Ke/Mo 4.7.2030

Ke/Ma 2.2.2031

Ke/Ra 1.7.2031

Ke/Ju 19.7.2032

Ke/Sa 24.6.2033

Ke/Me 3.8.2034

Ve/Ve 1.8.2035

Ve/Su 30.11.2038

Ve/Mo 30.11.2039

Ve/Ma 31.7.2041

Ve/Ra 30.9..2042

Ve/Ju 30.9.2045

Ve/Sa 31.5.2048

Ve/Me 1.8.2051

Ve/Ke 31.5.2054

Su/Su 1.8.2055

Su/Mo 18.11.2055

Su/Ma 19.5.2056

Su/Ra 24.9.2056

Su/Ju 18.8.2057

Su/Sa 6.6.2058

Su/Me 19.5.2059

Su/Ke 25.3.2060

Su/Ve 31.7.2060

Japan Sovereignity

Apr 28, 1952 10:30 PM -09:00

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:11 Current Period: ME/ME/SA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 07:19 Sag & nbs p; Mula Ke

Sun 15:00 Ari +00:58:19 WK Bharani Ve

Moon 05:29 Gem +12:14:31 FM Mrigsira Ma

MarsR 18:20 Lib -00:21:40 WK Swati Ra

Merc 19:01 Pis +00:42:11 WK Revati & nbs p; Me

Jupt 06:44 Ari +00:14:22 CM Aswini Ke

Ven 29:40 Pis +01:13:45 WK Revati Me

Sat R 16:27 Vir -00:03:47 WK Hasta Mo

Rahu 04:28 Aqu -00:07:09 FM Dhanishtha Ma

Ketu 04:28 Leo -00:07:09 FM Magha Ke

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 4:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Panchami

Yoga Pt: 23:49 Vi Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me

Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Moon Not Bright 29%,

Afflicts 1 7 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Mars Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated,

Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 27%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 93%,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

Ketu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 10 * * 8 **

*11* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 04:28 * 9 AS 07:19 * 7 MAR18:20*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** ME 19:01 * * **

*12 VE 29:40 * 6 SAR16:27 *

** * * **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * & nbsp; * *

*JU 06:44 * * * * *

*SU 15:00 * 3 MO 05:29 * 5 KE 04:28*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 2 * * 4 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * ; * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * & nbsp; * SAR * *

* * * KE * *

* * * AS * * *

*SU * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * MAR **

*6 * 12 VE *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * & nbsp; * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 9 ME * 11 *

* * * * * *

* MO * * * *

* * RA * * * *

* * * * & nb sp; * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Ma/Ma 11.12.1945

Ma/Ra 9.5.1946

Ma/Ju 28.5.1947

Ma/Sa 3.5.1948

Ma/Me 11.6.1949

Ma/Ke 9.6.1950

Ma/Ve 5.11.1950

Ma/Su 5.1.1952

Ma/Mo 12.5.1952

Ra/Ra 11.12.1952

Ra/Ju 24.8.1955

Ra/Sa 17.1.1958

Ra/Me 22.11.1960

Ra/Ke 12.6.1963

Ra/Ve 29.6.1964

Ra/Su 30.6.1967

Ra/Mo 24.5.1968

Ra/Ma 23.11.1969

Ju/Ju 11.12.1970

Ju/Sa 28.1.1973

Ju/Me 12.8.1975

Ju/Ke 17.11.1977

Ju/Ve 24.10.1978

Ju/Su 24.6.1981

Ju/Mo 12.4.1982

Ju/Ma 12.8.1983

Ju/Ra 18.7.1984

Sa/Sa 11.12.1986

Sa/Me 14.12.1989

Sa/Ke 23.8.1992

Sa/Ve 2.10.1993

Sa/Su 2.12.1996

Sa/Mo 14..11.1997

Sa/Ma 15.6.1999

Sa/Ra 24.7.2000

Sa/Ju 31.5..2003

Me/Me 11.12.2005

Me/Ke 9.5.2008

Me/Ve 6.5.2009

Me/Su 6.3.2012

Me/Mo 10.1.2013

Me/Ma 12.6.2014

Me/Ra 9.6.2015

Me/Ju 26.12.2017

Me/Sa 2.4.2020

Ke/Ke 11.12.2022

Ke/Ve 9.5.2023

Ke/Su 9.7.2024

Ke/Mo 13.11.2024

Ke/Ma 14.6.2025

Ke/Ra 1 1.11.2025

Ke/Ju 29.11.2026

Ke/Sa 5.11.2027

Ke/Me 14.12.2028

Ve/Ve 11.12.2029

Ve/Su 12.4.2033

Ve/Mo 12.4.2034

Ve/Ma 12.12.2035

Ve/Ra 10.2.2037

Ve/Ju 10.2.2040

Ve/Sa 11.10.2042

Ve/Me 11.12.2045

Ve/Ke 11.10.2048

Su/Su 11.12.2049

Su/Mo 31.3.2050

Su/Ma 29.9.2050

Su/Ra 4.2.2051

Su/Ju 30.12.2051

Su/Sa 17.10.2052

Su/Me 29.9.2053

Su/Ke 5.8.2054

Su/Ve 11.12.2054

Mo/Mo 12.12.2055

Mo/Ma 11.10.2056

Mo/Ra 12.5.2057

Mo/Ju 11.11.2058

Mo/Sa 12.3.2060

Mo/Me 11.10.2061

Mo/Ke 13.3.2063

Mo/Ve 12.10.2063

Mo/Su 11.6.2065

Japan Meiji Const

Feb 11, 1889 12:00 PM -09:19 LMT

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:18 Current Period: MA/VE/MA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 17:32 Tau Rohini Mo

Sun 00:18 Aqu +01: 00:39 WK Dhanishtha Ma

Moon 05:25 Gem +11:54:28 WK Mrigsira Ma

Mars 02:55 Pis +00:46:09 FM P.Bhadra Ju

MercR 08:19 Aqu -00:49:49 CM Shatbisha Ra

Jupt 08:38 Sag +00:10:49 FM Mula Ke

Ven 16:44 Pis +01:03:13 FM Revati Me

Sat R 24:08 Can -00:04:50 WK Aslesha Me

Rahu 28:38 Gem +00:01:48 FM Punarvasu Ju

Ketu 28:38 Sag +00:01:48 FM U.Shadya Su

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 153 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi

Yoga Pt: 9:03 Cn Yogi:Sa AviYogi:Mo Dup Yogi: Mo

Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 94%, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Bright,

Mars Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 41%,

Afflicted House MEP

Mercury Good Placement, Combust 42%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Jupiter Bad Placement,

Venus Good Placement,

Afflicts 5 11 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Bad Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 3 * * 1 **

*4 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO 05:25 * * * *

* RA 28:38* * * *

* * * * * MA 02:55*

*SAR24:08 * 2 AS 17:32 * 12 VE 16:44*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * SU 00:18 **

< FONT face="Courier New">*5 * 11 MER08:19 *

** * * **

*6 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 8 * 10 *

* * * * * *

* * * JU 08:38* *

* * * * KE 28:38 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 7 * * 9 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha/ div> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* MA * * * *

* * * AS * * *

* * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * RA * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * & nbsp; * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*6 * 12 *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * & nbsp; * *

* * * MER * * *

*SU * 9 VE * 11 SAR *

* * * KE * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Me/Me 8.10.1942

Me/Ke 6.3.1945

Me/Ve 3.3.1946

Me/Su 1.1.1949

Me/Mo 7.11..1949

Me/Ma 9..4.1951

Me/Ra 5.4.1952

Me/Ju 23.10.1954

Me/Sa 28.1.1957

Ke/Ke 8.10..1959

Ke/Ve 5.3.1960

Ke/Su 6.5.1961

Ke/Mo 10.9.1961

Ke/Ma 11.4.1962

Ke/Ra 8.9.1962

Ke/Ju 26.9.1963

Ke/Sa 1.9.1964

Ke/Me 11.10.1965

Ve/Ve 8.10.1966

Ve/Su 7.2.1970

Ve/Mo 7.2.1971

Ve/Ma 8.10.1972

Ve/Ra 8.12.1973

Ve/Ju 7.12.1976

Ve/Sa 8.8.1979

Ve/Me 8.10.1982

Ve/Ke 8.8.1985

Su/Su 8.10.1986

Su/Mo 26.1.1987

Su/Ma 27.7.1987

Su/Ra 2.12.1987

Su/Ju 26.10.1988

Su/Sa 14.8.1989

Su/Me 27.7.1990

Su/Ke 2.6.1991

Su/Ve 8.10.1991

Mo/Mo 8.10.1992

Mo/Ma 8.8.1993

Mo/Ra 9.3.1994

Mo/Ju 8.9.1995

Mo/Sa 7.1.1997

Mo/Me 8.8.1998

Mo/Ke 8.1.2000

Mo/Ve 8.8.2000

Mo/Su 8.4.2002

Ma/Ma 8.10.2002

Ma/Ra 6.3..2003

Ma/Ju 24.3.2004

Ma/Sa 28.2.2005

Ma/Me 8.4.2006

Ma/Ke 6.4.2007

Ma/Ve 2.9.2007

Ma/Su 1.11..2008

Ma/Mo 9.3.2009

Ra/Ra 8.10.2009

Ra/Ju 20.6.2012

Ra/Sa 14.11.2014

Ra/Me 19.9.2017

Ra/Ke 8.4.2020

Ra/Ve 26.4.2021

Ra/Su 26.4.2024

Ra/Mo 21..3.2025

Ra/Ma 20.9.2026

Ju/Ju 8.10.2027

Ju/Sa 25.11.2029

Ju/Me 8.6.2032

Ju/Ke 14.9.2034

Ju/Ve 21.8.2035

Ju/Su 21.4.2038

Ju/Mo 7.2.2039

Ju/Ma 8.6.2040

Ju/Ra 15.5.2041

Sa/Sa 8.10.2043

Sa/Me 11.10.2046 Sa/Ke 20.6.2049

Sa/Ve 30.7.2050

Sa/Su 29.9.2053

Sa/Mo 11.9.2054

Sa/Ma 11.4.2056

Sa/Ra 21.5.2057Sa/Ju 27.3.2060

 

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Yes, Mr. Srinatha. Not only in India but in general.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

-

n r srinatha

SAMVA

Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:06 AM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

Dear VKC ji,

 

Thanks for your explanations.

 

Can I understand that Stock Market in India will remain volatile till March, 2008.

 

thanks,

N.R. Srinatha

siha <siha (AT) airtelbroadband (DOT) in>SAMVA Cc: Sent: Tuesday, 22 January, 2008 11:03:14 PMRe: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 



Hello Mr. Srinatha, The improvement is likely to come in between but on a more positive note it would be in March, 2008. Steel sector would also improve.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

n r srinatha

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:45 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

Dear VKC ji,

 

When is Indian market is expected to improve.

 

Will steel sector rebound.

 

regards,

 

N.R. Srinatha

siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in>SAMVA Tuesday, 22 January, 2008 10:34:03 PMRe: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Hello Ajay, One of the significations of the tenth house is foreign trade. Global cues are the apparent reasons for the stock market setback is the fear of loss of export opportunities to US where the slow down of economy is apprehended. The slow down of the US economy has triggered the selling by the foreign institutional investors majority of whom are from US.. The transit Saturn is currently in the fourth house. The prolonged influence of the MMP is always considerably bad. Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

ajay sehg

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:11 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Respected prof, vkc ji,In indian chart jupiter is mmp but why are we considering its exact tr aspect to tr saturn. In indian chart saturn represents lord of h10, which according to ur book represents executive, parliament, law & order and foreign trade.

 

In indian natal chart natal saturn is exactly afflicted by natal lord of h6 venus, so venus has colured saturn with its colours of financial stability, so is it due to exact effect of venus to saturn, we consider saturn also linked with financial stability of indian masses ( stock markets)

Thanks ajay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hello dear List Members, Indian stock market Senstive index closed lower by 875 points (5%) seeing an intraday loss of about 2246 points. Australians Markets also booked a loss of 6%. Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

Cosmologer

SAMVA

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:36 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

 

My dear ,

 

Thank you for highlighting the influences and congratulations on the successful prediction.

 

I have one question concerning the role of the aspect of Ketu at 3°52' Leo to Venus 3° 27' Sagittarius in the dramatic events on the financial markets. Would we expect it to have some additional influence, given the powerful influences of the other aspects already noted, such that this additional aspect helps to explain the severity of the volatility in the finanical markets, especially in the case of USA and India?

 

In the USA case, transit Ketu is in H2 while Venus is in H6 of financial stability. Natally Venus is weak in H6 and Ketu afflicts H4. Likewise, in the case of India, Venus is 6th lord in H8 while Ketu is in H4. Natally, Venus in H3 afflicts 10th lord Saturn by conjunction aspect and Ketu afflicts the 3rd house.

 

In this case, three aspects involve malefics or bad placement:

 

1) Rahu to Mars

USA: Rahu in H8 and L10 Mars in H12

INDIA: Rahu in H10 and L12 Mars in H2

 

2) Jupiter to Saturn

USA: L6 Jupiter in H6 and L8 Saturn in H2

INDIA: L8 Jupiter in H8 and L10 Saturn in H4

 

3) Ketu to Venus

USA: Ketu in H2 and L4 Venus in H6

INDIA: Ketu in H7 and L6 Venus in H8

 

helping to explain such a profound drop in the markets

 

Moreover, as

- the aspects of Jupiter to Saturn and Ketu to Venus begin to separate today

- the orb of the aspect of Rahu to Mars has become over 3° wide

- the orb of the aspect of Ketu to Venus becomes more than 3° on Friday

- the orb of the aspect of Jupiter to Saturn becomes over 1° during the day of Friday

would this suggest some improvement in the financial markets towards the end of the week?

 

Finally, the stock market in Japan has also been hammered, suggesting Jupiter is also an FM in the authentic chart there. For this country we have three chart choices (attached as Jyotish Tools files for those receiving emails with also that excellent software, but enclosed as text below for others).

 

The Post War constitution chart does a convincing job of explaining the massive stock drop:

Japan_Post War Constitution: 3° Capricorn rising, Sa/Ra period operating. Transit nodal axis afflicting H2 and H8 MEPs, with transit L2 Saturn in H8 under exact affliction of transit L12 Jupiter and transit L4 Mars in H6 afflicted by Rahu in H2.

 

The Meiji consitution chart does not look as compelling.

Japan_Meiji Consitution: 17° Taurus rising, Ma/Ve period operating. Has transit L12 Mars in H2 under aspect from Rahu in H10. L8 Jupiter in H8 afflicting L10 Saturn in H4.

 

The third chart has Jupiter as L1 but nodal axis is afflicting its natal placement.

Japan_Sovereignity: 7° Sagittarius rising, running Me/Me period has nodal axist conjunct natal nodes and transit L5 Mars conjunct natal L8 Moon!

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

PS with L2 Venus severely afflicted natally and in transit today, the weather in ICELAND has again become STORMY!

siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in>SAMVA Cc: @ s.comTuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets ha d the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

Japan Post-war Constitution

May 3, 1947 12:00 AM -09:00

Tokyo Longitude: 139E45 Latitude: 35N40

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SA/RA/VE

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 03:25 Cap U.Shadya Su

Sun 18:14 Ari +00:58:11 FM Bharani Ve

Moon 17:40 Vir +13:07:43 WK Hasta Mo

Mars 22:49 Pis +00:45:54 ST Revati MeMerc 03:47 Ari +01:52:36 WK Aswini Ke

JuptR 01:02 Sco -00:07:14 FM Vishakha Ju

Ven 15:52 Pis +01:12:00 ST U.Bhadra Sa

Sat 09:34 Can +00:03:02 WK Pushya & nb sp; Sa

Rahu 09:30 Tau -00:03:09 FM Krittika Su

Ketu 09:30 Sco -00:03:09 FM Anuradha Sa

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 667 beats

Day: Saturday Sunrise : 4:50 AM

Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi

Yoga Pt: 9:14 Cp Yogi:Su AviYogi:Sa Dup Yogi: Sa

Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement,

Moon Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Brig ht,

Mars Good Placement,

Mercury Good Placement, In Infancy: 24%,

Jupiter Good Placement, In Infancy: 79%,

Venus Good Placement,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Good Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 11 * * 9 **

*12* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*VE 15:52 * * * * JUR01:02* & nb sp;

*MA 22:49 * 10 AS 03:25 * 8 KE 09:30*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** & nb sp; ME 03:47 * * **

*1 SU 18:14 * 7 *

** * & nb sp; * **

*2 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 09:30 * 4 SA 09:34 * 6 MO 17:40*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 3 * * 5 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 12 * * 10 **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* RA * MA * *

* * * * * *

* * 11 AS * 9 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * & nbsp; * * *

** * * **

*2 ME * 8 VE *

** * * **

*3 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*MO * 5 * 7 *

* * * * * *

* * * SU * *

* * JUR * * SA * *

* * * * KE * *

* * * * * *

** 4 * * 6 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Mo/Mo 31.7.1941

Mo/Ma 31.5.1942

Mo/Ra 30.12.1942

Mo/Ju 30.6.1944

Mo/Sa 30.10.1945

Mo/Me 1.6.1947

Mo/Ke 30.10.1948

Mo/Ve 31.5.1949

Mo/Su 30.1..1951

Ma/Ma 1.8.1951

Ma/Ra 28.12.1951

Ma/Ju 14.1.1953

Ma/Sa 21.12.1953

Ma/Me 30.1.1955

Ma/Ke 27.1.1956

Ma/Ve 24.6.1956

Ma/Su 24.8.1957

Ma/Mo 30.12.1957

Ra/Ra 31.7.1958

Ra/Ju 12.4.1961

Ra/Sa 6.9.1963

Ra/Me 13.7.1966

Ra/Ke 29.1.1969

Ra/Ve 17.2.1970

Ra/Su 17.2.1973

Ra/Mo 11.1.1974

Ra/Ma 13.7.1975

Ju/Ju 31.7.1976

Ju/Sa 18.9.1978

Ju/Me 31.3.1981

Ju/Ke 7.7.1983

Ju/Ve 12.6.1984

Ju/Su 11.2.1987

Ju/Mo 30.11.1987

Ju/Ma 31.3.1989

Ju/Ra 7.3..1990

Sa/Sa 31.7.1992

Sa/Me 4.8.1995

Sa/Ke 13.4.1998

Sa/Ve 22.5.1999

Sa/Su 22.7.2002

Sa/Mo 4.7.2003

Sa/Ma 1.2.2005

Sa/Ra 13.3.2006

Sa/Ju 17.1.2009

Me/Me 31.7.2011

Me/Ke 27.12.2013 Me/Ve 24.12.2014

Me/Su 24.10.2017

Me/Mo 31.8.2018

Me/Ma 30.1.2020

Me/Ra 26.1.2021

Me/Ju 16.8.2023

Me/Sa 21.11.2025

Ke/Ke 31.7.2028

Ke/Ve 27.12.2028

Ke/Su 26.2.2030

Ke/Mo 4.7.2030

Ke/Ma 2.2.2031

Ke/Ra 1.7.2031

Ke/Ju 19.7.2032

Ke/Sa 24.6.2033

Ke/Me 3.8.2034

Ve/Ve 1.8.2035

Ve/Su 30.11.2038

Ve/Mo 30.11.2039

Ve/Ma 31.7.2041

Ve/Ra 30.9..2042

Ve/Ju 30.9.2045

Ve/Sa 31.5.2048

Ve/Me 1.8.2051

Ve/Ke 31.5.2054

Su/Su 1.8.2055

Su/Mo 18.11.2055

Su/Ma 19.5.2056

Su/Ra 24.9.2056

Su/Ju 18.8.2057

Su/Sa 6.6.2058

Su/Me 19.5.2059

Su/Ke 25.3.2060

Su/Ve 31.7.2060

Japan Sovereignity

Apr 28, 1952 10:30 PM -09:00

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:11 Current Period: ME/ME/SA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 07:19 Sag & nbs p; Mula Ke

Sun 15:00 Ari +00:58:19 WK Bharani Ve

Moon 05:29 Gem +12:14:31 FM Mrigsira Ma

MarsR 18:20 Lib -00:21:40 WK Swati Ra

Merc 19:01 Pis +00:42:11 WK Revati & nbs p; Me

Jupt 06:44 Ari +00:14:22 CM Aswini Ke

Ven 29:40 Pis +01:13:45 WK Revati Me

Sat R 16:27 Vir -00:03:47 WK Hasta Mo

Rahu 04:28 Aqu -00:07:09 FM Dhanishtha Ma

Ketu 04:28 Leo -00:07:09 FM Magha Ke

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 4:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Panchami

Yoga Pt: 23:49 Vi Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me

Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Moon Not Bright 29%,

Afflicts 1 7 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Mars Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated,

Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 27%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 93%,

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

Ketu Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Weak Dispositor,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 10 * * 8 **

*11* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*RA 04:28 * 9 AS 07:19 * 7 MAR18:20*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** ME 19:01 * * **

*12 VE 29:40 * 6 SAR16:27 *

** * * **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * & nbsp; * *

*JU 06:44 * * * * *

*SU 15:00 * 3 MO 05:29 * 5 KE 04:28*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 2 * * 4 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * ; * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * & nbsp; * SAR * *

* * * KE * *

* * * AS * * *

*SU * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * MAR **

*6 * 12 VE *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * & nbsp; * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 9 ME * 11 *

* * * * * *

* MO * * * *

* * RA * * * *

* * * * & nb sp; * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Ma/Ma 11.12.1945

Ma/Ra 9.5.1946

Ma/Ju 28.5.1947

Ma/Sa 3.5.1948

Ma/Me 11.6.1949

Ma/Ke 9.6.1950

Ma/Ve 5.11.1950

Ma/Su 5.1.1952

Ma/Mo 12.5.1952

Ra/Ra 11.12.1952

Ra/Ju 24.8.1955

Ra/Sa 17.1.1958

Ra/Me 22.11.1960

Ra/Ke 12.6.1963

Ra/Ve 29.6.1964

Ra/Su 30.6.1967

Ra/Mo 24.5.1968

Ra/Ma 23.11.1969

Ju/Ju 11.12.1970

Ju/Sa 28.1.1973

Ju/Me 12.8.1975

Ju/Ke 17.11.1977

Ju/Ve 24.10.1978

Ju/Su 24.6.1981

Ju/Mo 12.4.1982

Ju/Ma 12.8.1983

Ju/Ra 18.7.1984

Sa/Sa 11.12.1986

Sa/Me 14.12.1989

Sa/Ke 23.8.1992

Sa/Ve 2.10.1993

Sa/Su 2.12.1996

Sa/Mo 14..11.1997

Sa/Ma 15.6.1999

Sa/Ra 24.7.2000

Sa/Ju 31.5..2003

Me/Me 11.12.2005

Me/Ke 9.5.2008

Me/Ve 6.5.2009

Me/Su 6.3.2012

Me/Mo 10.1.2013

Me/Ma 12.6.2014

Me/Ra 9.6.2015

Me/Ju 26.12.2017

Me/Sa 2.4.2020

Ke/Ke 11.12.2022

Ke/Ve 9.5.2023

Ke/Su 9.7.2024

Ke/Mo 13.11.2024

Ke/Ma 14.6.2025

Ke/Ra 1 1.11.2025

Ke/Ju 29.11.2026

Ke/Sa 5.11.2027

Ke/Me 14.12.2028

Ve/Ve 11.12.2029

Ve/Su 12.4.2033

Ve/Mo 12.4.2034

Ve/Ma 12.12.2035

Ve/Ra 10.2.2037

Ve/Ju 10.2.2040

Ve/Sa 11.10.2042

Ve/Me 11.12.2045

Ve/Ke 11.10.2048

Su/Su 11.12.2049

Su/Mo 31.3.2050

Su/Ma 29.9.2050

Su/Ra 4.2.2051

Su/Ju 30.12.2051

Su/Sa 17.10.2052

Su/Me 29.9.2053

Su/Ke 5.8.2054

Su/Ve 11.12.2054

Mo/Mo 12.12.2055

Mo/Ma 11.10.2056

Mo/Ra 12.5.2057

Mo/Ju 11.11.2058

Mo/Sa 12.3.2060

Mo/Me 11.10.2061

Mo/Ke 13.3.2063

Mo/Ve 12.10.2063

Mo/Su 11.6.2065

Japan Meiji Const

Feb 11, 1889 12:00 PM -09:19 LMT

Tokyo, Japan Longitude: 139E46 Latitude: 35N42

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:18 Current Period: MA/VE/MA

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

============ ========= ========= ========= =========

Asc 17:32 Tau Rohini Mo

Sun 00:18 Aqu +01: 00:39 WK Dhanishtha Ma

Moon 05:25 Gem +11:54:28 WK Mrigsira Ma

Mars 02:55 Pis +00:46:09 FM P.Bhadra Ju

MercR 08:19 Aqu -00:49:49 CM Shatbisha Ra

Jupt 08:38 Sag +00:10:49 FM Mula Ke

Ven 16:44 Pis +01:03:13 FM Revati Me

Sat R 24:08 Can -00:04:50 WK Aslesha Me

Rahu 28:38 Gem +00:01:48 FM Punarvasu Ju

Ketu 28:38 Sag +00:01:48 FM U.Shadya Su

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 153 beats

Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:53 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi

Yoga Pt: 9:03 Cn Yogi:Sa AviYogi:Mo Dup Yogi: Mo

Dagha Rashis: Sag Pis

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

============ ========= ===

Sun Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 94%, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Bright,

Mars Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, In Infancy: 41%,

Afflicted House MEP

Mercury Good Placement, Combust 42%, Weak Dispositor,

Afflicted Mool MEP

Jupiter Bad Placement,

Venus Good Placement,

Afflicts 5 11 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP

Saturn Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Rahu Good Placement,

Ketu Bad Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 3 * * 1 **

*4 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO 05:25 * * * *

* RA 28:38* * * *

* * * * * MA 02:55*

*SAR24:08 * 2 AS 17:32 * 12 VE 16:44*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * SU 00:18 **

< FONT face="Courier New">*5 * 11 MER08:19 *

** * * **

*6 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 8 * 10 *

* * * * * *

* * * JU 08:38* *

* * * * KE 28:38 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 7 * * 9 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Navamsha/ div> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* MA * * * *

* * * AS * * *

* * 3 JU * 1 *

* * * RA * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * & nbsp; * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*6 * 12 *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * & nbsp; * *

* * * MER * * *

*SU * 9 VE * 11 SAR *

* * * KE * * *

* * * * * *

* * MO * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary)

============ ========= ========= =========

Me/Me 8.10.1942

Me/Ke 6.3.1945

Me/Ve 3.3.1946

Me/Su 1.1.1949

Me/Mo 7.11..1949

Me/Ma 9..4.1951

Me/Ra 5.4.1952

Me/Ju 23.10.1954

Me/Sa 28.1.1957

Ke/Ke 8.10..1959

Ke/Ve 5.3.1960

Ke/Su 6.5.1961

Ke/Mo 10.9.1961

Ke/Ma 11.4.1962

Ke/Ra 8.9.1962

Ke/Ju 26.9.1963

Ke/Sa 1.9.1964

Ke/Me 11.10.1965

Ve/Ve 8.10.1966

Ve/Su 7.2.1970

Ve/Mo 7.2.1971

Ve/Ma 8.10.1972

Ve/Ra 8.12.1973

Ve/Ju 7.12.1976

Ve/Sa 8.8.1979

Ve/Me 8.10.1982

Ve/Ke 8.8.1985

Su/Su 8.10.1986

Su/Mo 26.1.1987

Su/Ma 27.7.1987

Su/Ra 2.12.1987

Su/Ju 26.10.1988

Su/Sa 14.8.1989

Su/Me 27.7.1990

Su/Ke 2.6.1991

Su/Ve 8.10.1991

Mo/Mo 8.10.1992

Mo/Ma 8.8.1993

Mo/Ra 9.3.1994

Mo/Ju 8.9.1995

Mo/Sa 7.1.1997

Mo/Me 8.8.1998

Mo/Ke 8.1.2000

Mo/Ve 8.8.2000

Mo/Su 8.4.2002

Ma/Ma 8.10.2002

Ma/Ra 6.3..2003

Ma/Ju 24.3.2004

Ma/Sa 28.2.2005

Ma/Me 8.4.2006

Ma/Ke 6.4.2007

Ma/Ve 2.9.2007

Ma/Su 1.11..2008

Ma/Mo 9.3.2009

Ra/Ra 8.10.2009

Ra/Ju 20.6.2012

Ra/Sa 14.11.2014

Ra/Me 19.9.2017

Ra/Ke 8.4.2020

Ra/Ve 26.4.2021

Ra/Su 26.4.2024

Ra/Mo 21..3.2025

Ra/Ma 20.9.2026

Ju/Ju 8.10.2027

Ju/Sa 25.11.2029

Ju/Me 8.6.2032

Ju/Ke 14.9.2034

Ju/Ve 21.8.2035

Ju/Su 21.4.2038

Ju/Mo 7.2.2039

Ju/Ma 8.6.2040

Ju/Ra 15.5.2041

Sa/Sa 8.10.2043

Sa/Me 11.10.2046 Sa/Ke 20.6.2049

Sa/Ve 30.7.2050

Sa/Su 29.9.2053

Sa/Mo 11.9.2054

Sa/Ma 11.4.2056

Sa/Ra 21.5.2057Sa/Ju 27.3.2060

 

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SAMVA , " siha " <siha wrote:

>

>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious

setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and

India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a

functional malefic.

>

> (...)

>

>

 

Hello to all,

 

Most of the time I just read the postings by others

but I think that with Pluto set to hang around 0 degrees

of Capricorn it may be of interest to look at how some

United States financial charts match up with the 1929

crash chart.

 

You can see them here:

 

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ytz9z8

 

Bob

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Hello Bob,

 

Thank you for the information but plesase be advised that SAMVA list

is dedicated to the study of Systems' Approach astrology in the

mundane sphere. Vedic astrology is an intricate astrology system that

excludes the outer planets.

 

The unfolding events in financial markets have been successfully

PREDICTED on SAMVA based on SA astrology.

 

The SAMVA USA chart also very well explains the Great Depression,

both the crash and the banking holiday. See for instance

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/

 

There are plenty of discussion lists dedicated to the study of

western mundane astrology for those interested in that.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

PS As vedic astrology is based on the sidereal zodiac, we would find

the planet Pluto at around the 7th degree of Sagittarius at this time.

 

 

 

SAMVA , " unique_astrology " <jan61108 wrote:

>

> SAMVA , " siha " <siha@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> >

> > The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing

serious

> setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and

> India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a

> functional malefic.

> >

> > (...)

> >

> >

>

> Hello to all,

>

> Most of the time I just read the postings by others

> but I think that with Pluto set to hang around 0 degrees

> of Capricorn it may be of interest to look at how some

> United States financial charts match up with the 1929

> crash chart.

>

> You can see them here:

>

> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ytz9z8

>

> Bob

>

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Hello dear list members, As soon as Saturn ruling the tenth house in the country chart came out of one degree influence of Jupiter, the Indian markets bounced back and gained about 6.7%.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

cosmologer

SAMVA

Friday, January 25, 2008 12:30 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

Hello Bob,Thank you for the information but plesase be advised that SAMVA list is dedicated to the study of Systems' Approach astrology in the mundane sphere. Vedic astrology is an intricate astrology system that excludes the outer planets. The unfolding events in financial markets have been successfully PREDICTED on SAMVA based on SA astrology. The SAMVA USA chart also very well explains the Great Depression, both the crash and the banking holiday. See for instance http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/There are plenty of discussion lists dedicated to the study of western mundane astrology for those interested in that. Best wishes,ThorPS As vedic astrology is based on the sidereal zodiac, we would find the planet Pluto at around the 7th degree of Sagittarius at this time.SAMVA , "unique_astrology" <jan61108 wrote:>> SAMVA , "siha" <siha@> wrote:> >> > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious> setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and> India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a> functional malefic. > > > > (...)> > > >> > Hello to all,> > Most of the time I just read the postings by others> but I think that with Pluto set to hang around 0 degrees> of Capricorn it may be of interest to look at how some> United States financial charts match up with the 1929> crash chart.> > You can see them here:> > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ytz9z8> > Bob>

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Dear Prof.Choudhry,

 

Namasthe.Thanks for illustrating a SA sutra w.r.t. a TSE pertinent to the stock markets. As Ju is the MMP, in India's case, why did the affliction clear at an orb of 1 degree itself, instead of clearing at 2degrees orb? Can you pl clarify this point?

Best Regards Sankara

 

-

siha

SAMVA

Friday, January 25, 2008 3:46 PM

Re: Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Hello dear list members, As soon as Saturn ruling the tenth house in the country chart came out of one degree influence of Jupiter, the Indian markets bounced back and gained about 6.7%.

Best wishes.

 

 

-

cosmologer

SAMVA

Friday, January 25, 2008 12:30 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

Hello Bob,Thank you for the information but plesase be advised that SAMVA list is dedicated to the study of Systems' Approach astrology in the mundane sphere. Vedic astrology is an intricate astrology system that excludes the outer planets. The unfolding events in financial markets have been successfully PREDICTED on SAMVA based on SA astrology. The SAMVA USA chart also very well explains the Great Depression, both the crash and the banking holiday. See for instance http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/There are plenty of discussion lists dedicated to the study of western mundane astrology for those interested in that. Best wishes,ThorPS As vedic astrology is based on the sidereal zodiac, we would find the planet Pluto at around the 7th degree of Sagittarius at this time.SAMVA , "unique_astrology" <jan61108 wrote:>> SAMVA , "siha" <siha@> wrote:> >> > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious> setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and> India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a> functional malefic. > > > > (...)> > > >> > Hello to all,> > Most of the time I just read the postings by others> but I think that with Pluto set to hang around 0 degrees> of Capricorn it may be of interest to look at how some> United States financial charts match up with the 1929> crash chart.> > You can see them here:> > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ytz9z8> > Bob>

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Hello dear Dr. Bhagavadpada, The impact is maximum within the exact affliction which is one degree.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA

SAMVA

Friday, January 25, 2008 5:39 PM

Re: Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Dear Prof.Choudhry,

 

Namasthe.Thanks for illustrating a SA sutra w.r.t. a TSE pertinent to the stock markets. As Ju is the MMP, in India's case, why did the affliction clear at an orb of 1 degree itself, instead of clearing at 2degrees orb? Can you pl clarify this point?

Best Regards Sankara

 

-

siha

SAMVA

Friday, January 25, 2008 3:46 PM

Re: Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

Hello dear list members, As soon as Saturn ruling the tenth house in the country chart came out of one degree influence of Jupiter, the Indian markets bounced back and gained about 6.7%.

Best wishes.

 

 

-

cosmologer

SAMVA

Friday, January 25, 2008 12:30 PM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

Hello Bob,Thank you for the information but plesase be advised that SAMVA list is dedicated to the study of Systems' Approach astrology in the mundane sphere. Vedic astrology is an intricate astrology system that excludes the outer planets. The unfolding events in financial markets have been successfully PREDICTED on SAMVA based on SA astrology. The SAMVA USA chart also very well explains the Great Depression, both the crash and the banking holiday. See for instance http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/There are plenty of discussion lists dedicated to the study of western mundane astrology for those interested in that. Best wishes,ThorPS As vedic astrology is based on the sidereal zodiac, we would find the planet Pluto at around the 7th degree of Sagittarius at this time.SAMVA , "unique_astrology" <jan61108 wrote:>> SAMVA , "siha" <siha@> wrote:> >> > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious> setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and> India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a> functional malefic. > > > > (...)> > > >> > Hello to all,> > Most of the time I just read the postings by others> but I think that with Pluto set to hang around 0 degrees> of Capricorn it may be of interest to look at how some> United States financial charts match up with the 1929> crash chart.> > You can see them here:> > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ytz9z8> > Bob>

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Dear friends

 

The prediction by for a "serious setbacks across financial markets across the world" has been realised.

 

After several days of declines in the US financial market, the downtrend was halted yesterday, only to resume today, when the losses were again pronounced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

NASDAQ 2326.2 -34.72 -1.47%

DJIA 12207.17 -171.44 1.38%S & P 1330.61 -21.46 -1.59%

Congratulations on another spot on prediction.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

siha <sihaSAMVA Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

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Hello my dear Thor, While the volatility continues the US markets are not coming out of the recession fears early due to the continued impact of transit Jupiter and transit Saturn. It is likely to give continued volatility and stress to other financial and commodity markets accross the world in the year 2008.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

Cosmologer

SAMVA

Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:44 AM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

Dear friends

 

The prediction by for a "serious setbacks across financial markets across the world" has been realised.

 

After several days of declines in the US financial market, the downtrend was halted yesterday, only to resume today, when the losses were again pronounced.

 

 

 

 

 

NASDAQ 2326.2 -34.72 -1.47%

DJIA 12207.17 -171.44 1.38%S & P 1330.61 -21.46 -1.59%

Congratulations on another spot on prediction.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

siha <siha (AT) airtelbroadband (DOT) in>SAMVA Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

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Dear friends,

 

The conditions in financial markets continue to be a lead story in the world. In relation to this, I recall the prediction by on SAMVA on January 28, 2008

 

"While the volatility continues the US markets are not coming out of the recession fears early due to the continued impact of transit Jupiter and transit Saturn. It is likely to give continued volatility and stress to other financial and commodity markets accross the world in the year 2008."

 

This prediction, which is based on the SAMVA USA chart, has come true so far and is still being realised.

 

We could note, that in addition to the information in the following news story, the price of gold and other precious metals prices have dropped sharply in recent days from new highs as stock markets have surged after the most recent bout of panic. Hence, the volatility and stress is indeed affecting "other financial and commodity markets across the world."

 

There are presently two major aspects still being felt

- transit Jupiter as 6th lord afflicting natal 4th lord Venus (separating)

- transit Saturn as 8th lord afflicting natal 1st lord Moon (applying)

 

Moreover, during the Easter weekend, transit 3rd lord Mercury and 4th lord Venus are moving under the aspect of natal Ketu in the 4th house. This aspect would be adding to the worries this weekend.

 

Congratulations, dear on the prescient insights and accurate prediction so far.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

updated 4 hours, 54 minutes ago

 

Worries grow of deeper U.S. recession

Story Highlights

* Economist Martin Feldstein believes U.S. is in recession, possibly a severe one

* Severe credit crisis is raising doubts about mild forecasts

* Bear Stearns went from a stock market value of $3.5B to being sold for $236M

* Wall Street had a wild week

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WASHINGTON (AP) -- It has been almost an article of faith: Any recession this year will be mild and brief.

 

 

 

A growing number of economists have a U.S. downturn already figured into their forecasts.

 

But now the stunning meltdown of a top Wall Street investment bank and stubbornly persistent financial market turbulence has called that into question, raising fears that severe problems in housing and the nation's bedrock financial system could cripple the economy and wallop many millions of Americans.

No less an authority than former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan wrote this week that "the current financial crisis in the U.S. is likely to be judged as the most wrenching" since the end of World War II.

Other noted economists are also sounding alarms. Harvard professor Martin Feldstein, the former head of the National Bureau of Economic Research, said recently he believes the country is now in a recession and it could be a severe one.

While it will be many months before the bureau's cycle dating committee, the unofficial arbiter of when recessions begin and end, makes its own ruling, a growing number of private economists already have a downturn figured into their forecasts. They are generally calling for a mild recession that will end this summer when the economic stimulus checks going to 130 million households start getting spent.

But the severe credit crisis that erupted last August -- and claimed its biggest victim this past weekend with the forced sale of Bear Stearns Co. -- is raising doubts about those mild forecasts.

"Bear Stearns was a clear wake-up call. It resonates with everybody and highlights the severity of the stresses in the financial system," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com.

 

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What got people's attention was how quickly Bear Stearns, the nation's fifth largest investment bank, could go from a stock market value of about $3.5 billion when the market closed on March 14 to being sold at the bargain-basement price of about $236 million two days later.

The Federal Reserve rushed in to take unprecedented actions. It provided a $30 billion line of credit to facilitate the sale and is employing Depression-era provisions that for the first time are providing direct Fed loans to investment banks. Most analysts said the Fed was justified and that its efforts highlighted the severity of the dangers facing the financial system.

The turmoil produced wild swings on Wall Street this week with the Dow Jones industrial average surging on Tuesday after the Fed aggressively cut a key interest rate only to plunge on Wednesday on renewed worries about the economy and then to stage a 262-point gain on Thursday. Markets were closed Friday.

More turbulence is expected in coming weeks because there remains a great deal of uncertainty about how many more victims the credit crisis will claim.

The problems began last year with rising defaults on mortgages as a housing slump intensified, but they have now spread to other parts of the credit markets with institutions growing fearful about making other types of loans.

It is the ability to get credit that makes the financial system and the economy it supports function. When banks stop lending to other institutions that, like Bear Stearns, depend on credit to conduct their day-to-day operations, the results can be catastrophic.

"We can't afford to stagger from one day to the next without knowing what large financial institution might be the next to go down the tubes because of a lack of liquidity. That is way too dangerous a game," said Lyle Gramley, a former Fed board member who is now an economist with the Stanford Financial Group. "It is possible that we could be entering the worst recession of the post World War II period. The threat is certainly there."

Because of Bear Stearns, many analysts are raising the odds that a 2008 recession could be worse than expected.

"The potential freezing up of the financial system could have pretty negative ramifications on bank lending which would have negative ramifications on consumer and business spending," said Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at Global Insight, a Lexington, Mass., forecasting firm. He said he had upped the chances of a worse-than-expected recession to 40 percent, up from 25 percent odds before Bear Stearns.

David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York, said he now has a worst-case-scenario in which the country could endure a double-dip recession in which the economy would briefly recover this summer, helped by the $168 billion in tax relief, only to quickly slip back into a downturn. Under this scenario, the economy's total output, as measured by the gross domestic product, would drop by 2.2 percentage points, making it the third worst recession in the post World War II period.

The worst recession in recent decades, in terms of lost output, occurred in the 1973-75 period of oil shocks, when GDP fell by 3.1 percent, followed by the 1981-82 recession, when GDP dropped by 2.9 percent.

By contrast, in the last two recessions output fell by 1.3 percent in the 1990-91 downturn, and a tiny 0.3 percent in the 2001 recession, making that slump the mildest in the post-war period in terms of lost output. The 2001 downturn lasted just eight months.

Wyss' baseline forecast calls for the 2008 downturn to trim GDP by just 0.5 percent and last for nine months, from last November until August.

Under that forecast, unemployment, which hit a low in this expansion of 4.4 percent and now stands at 4.8 percent, will rise to around 6 percent, meaning 1.5 million people will lose their jobs. Under the worst-case forecast, unemployment jumps to 7.5 percent, meaning 3 million people would be tossed out of work.

"There would be bigger drops in the stock market and in home prices than we are now anticipating and more people out of work," Wyss said. "There would be a lot of pain all the way around."

While they are developing worst-case-scenarios, Wyss and other economists said they still believe the balance has not tipped from their more benign main forecasts. One thing that gives them hope is the expectation that Congress and the Bush administration, having acted so quickly to pass the first stimulus package, will move quickly, especially in an election year, to pass a second package if needed.

Also, analysts said the Bear Stearns crisis, which has already prompted the Fed to move more aggressively, will also probably trigger a bigger response on the part of Congress and the administration in offering help to homeowners to keep them from losing their homes because of mortgage defaults.

"Historically, when policymakers have acted in a concerted and aggressive way, that signals that we are nearing the end of the crisis," said Zandi. "If that occurs this time and the financial markets stabilize in the next few months, then the economy will suffer, but it won't be a prolonged and severe recession."

siha <sihaSAMVA Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:42:47 AMRe: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

Hello my dear Thor, While the volatility continues the US markets are not coming out of the recession fears early due to the continued impact of transit Jupiter and transit Saturn. It is likely to give continued volatility and stress to other financial and commodity markets accross the world in the year 2008.

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

-

Cosmologer

SAMVA

Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:44 AM

Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

 

 

 

Dear friends

 

The prediction by for a "serious setbacks across financial markets across the world" has been realised.

 

After several days of declines in the US financial market, the downtrend was halted yesterday, only to resume today, when the losses were again pronounced.

 

 

 

 

 

NASDAQ 2326.2 -34.72 -1.47%

DJIA 12207.17 -171.44 1.38%S & P 1330.61 -21.46 -1.59%

Congratulations on another spot on prediction.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in>SAMVA Cc: @ s.comTuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

 

Hello dear list members, The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic.

 

Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

 

The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January.

 

This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu.

 

In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses.

 

Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

 

Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

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Another major concern in the USA is the rise in home mortgage

foreclosures. These developments have saddled financial institutions

with big losses. Former Secretary of the US Treasury and leading

banker in New York, Robert Rubin, has been advocating that the funds

of tax payers be used to help stave off further loan losses, which he

argues otherwise risks a melt-down of the financial system. So far

the government has agreed to infuse $150 billion to the financial

system and offered limitless loans to cash strapped banks. However,

that is not enough, suggests Rubin. Others disagree. Indeed, the

loan losses were based on foolhardy actions and those responsible

should bear the consequences. The further use of public funds

risks only that " good money follow bad. " In other

words, it is not an easy situation in the USA today. That said, some

respite is predicted for the financial markets in May and June based

on the SAMVA USA chart.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

Rubin Calls for Urgent Government Action to Stem Foreclosures

 

By Rich Miller

 

March 21 (Bloomberg) -- Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin called

for quick government action to tackle the rising level of home

foreclosures and he indicated taxpayer money will have to be used.

 

``There is a strong need for urgent action,'' Rubin, who is chairman

of Citigroup Inc.'s executive committee, said. ``I would be very,

very seriously considering the possibility of using public funds in

one form or another.''

 

The Federal Housing Administration should be involved in any stepped-

up government effort to help homeowners facing the loss of their

houses, Rubin said an interview on Bloomberg Television's ``Political

Capital with Al Hunt,'' to be aired today. ``The piece that's missing

now, at least in my judgment, is addressing all of these mortgages

that face foreclosure.''

 

U.S. home-foreclosure filings jumped 60 percent and bank seizures

more than doubled in February as rates on adjustable mortgages rose

and property owners were unable to sell or refinance amid falling

prices. The biggest housing slump in a generation, compounded by

tighter credit and mounting financial losses, is spilling over to

other industries and pushing the broader economy toward a recession.

 

Democratic lawmakers, including House Financial Services Committee

Chairman Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Senate Banking Committee

Chairman Chris Dodd of Connecticut, have put forward a plan to have

the FHA insure refinanced mortgages after lenders reduce principal to

help struggling borrowers. The Bush administration is resisting the

proposal.

 

Rising Foreclosures

 

Rubin, 69, said the rising level of foreclosures is at the heart of

the credit crunch. The world's biggest banks and securities firms

have reported $195 billion in asset writedowns and credit losses

since 2007 stemming from the collapse of the U.S. subprime mortgage

market.

 

``The credit markets themselves are really in uncharted waters,''

Rubin said. ``A lot of trouble could lie ahead.''

 

He praised the Federal Reserve for the steps it has taken to help the

economy and to ease strains in the financial markets.

 

``The Fed has done a very good job,'' he said. ``The Treasury,

working with the Fed, did the right thing conceptually in rescuing

Bear Stearns.''

 

The Fed is providing $30 billion to JPMorgan Chase & Co. to help

finance the purchase of Bear Stearns Cos. after a run on Wall

Street's fifth-largest securities company. It has also expanded its

lending program to include big Wall Street securities firms as well

as banks in a bid to stop the crisis.

 

Rubin said that securities companies should be subject to the same

regulation as banks now that it's become clear that they will get the

same government support. Frank on March 20 called for creation of a

super agency to monitor risk across markets.

 

Rubin shied away from saying that the U.S. has already entered into a

recession. He saw, though, a 1-in-3 chance that the economy could be

in for a deep, prolonged contraction.

 

``As a policy maker, those risks are high enough so that you would be

highly proactive in seeking ways to reduce the risk,'' he said.

 

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> The conditions in financial markets continue to be a lead story in

the world. In relation to this, I recall the prediction by Professor

Choudhry on SAMVA on January 28, 2008

>

> " While the volatility continues the US markets are not coming out

of the recession fears early due to the continued impact of transit

Jupiter and transit Saturn. It is likely to give continued

volatility and stress to other financial and commodity markets

accross the world in the year 2008. "

>

> This prediction, which is based on the SAMVA USA chart, has come

true so far and is still being realised.

>

> We could note, that in addition to the information in the following

news story, the price of gold and other precious metals prices have

dropped sharply in recent days from new highs as stock markets have

surged after the most recent bout of panic. Hence, the volatility and

stress is indeed affecting " other financial and commodity markets

across the world. "

>

> There are presently two major aspects still being felt

> - transit Jupiter as 6th lord afflicting natal 4th lord Venus

(separating)

> - transit Saturn as 8th lord afflicting natal 1st lord Moon

(applying)

>

> Moreover, during the Easter weekend, transit 3rd lord Mercury and

4th lord Venus are moving under the aspect of natal Ketu in the 4th

house. This aspect would be adding to the worries this weekend.

>

> Congratulations, dear on the prescient insights

and accurate prediction so far.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> updated 4 hours, 54 minutes ago

> Worries grow of deeper U.S. recession

> Story Highlights

> * Economist Martin Feldstein believes U.S. is in recession,

possibly a severe one

>

> * Severe credit crisis is raising doubts about mild forecasts

>

> * Bear Stearns went from a stock market value of $3.5B to being

sold for $236M

>

> * Wall Street had a wild week

>

>

>

> WASHINGTON (AP) -- It has been almost an article of faith: Any

recession this year will be mild and brief.

>

> A growing number of economists have a U.S. downturn already figured

into their forecasts.

>

> But now the stunning meltdown of a top Wall Street investment bank

and stubbornly persistent financial market turbulence has called that

into question, raising fears that severe problems in housing and the

nation's bedrock financial system could cripple the economy and

wallop many millions of Americans.

> No less an authority than former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan

Greenspan wrote this week that " the current financial crisis in the

U.S. is likely to be judged as the most wrenching " since the end of

World War II.

> Other noted economists are also sounding alarms. Harvard professor

Martin Feldstein, the former head of the National Bureau of Economic

Research, said recently he believes the country is now in a recession

and it could be a severe one.

> While it will be many months before the bureau's cycle dating

committee, the unofficial arbiter of when recessions begin and end,

makes its own ruling, a growing number of private economists already

have a downturn figured into their forecasts. They are generally

calling for a mild recession that will end this summer when the

economic stimulus checks going to 130 million households start

getting spent.

> But the severe credit crisis that erupted last August -- and

claimed its biggest victim this past weekend with the forced sale of

Bear Stearns Co. -- is raising doubts about those mild forecasts.

> " Bear Stearns was a clear wake-up call. It resonates with everybody

and highlights the severity of the stresses in the financial system, "

said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com.

> Don't Miss

> Companies scale back on travel expenses

> Arab leaders unfazed about investing

> OECD cuts world growth outlook

> What got people's attention was how quickly Bear Stearns, the

nation's fifth largest investment bank, could go from a stock market

value of about $3.5 billion when the market closed on March 14 to

being sold at the bargain-basement price of about $236 million two

days later.

> The Federal Reserve rushed in to take unprecedented actions. It

provided a $30 billion line of credit to facilitate the sale and is

employing Depression-era provisions that for the first time are

providing direct Fed loans to investment banks. Most analysts said

the Fed was justified and that its efforts highlighted the severity

of the dangers facing the financial system.

> The turmoil produced wild swings on Wall Street this week with the

Dow Jones industrial average surging on Tuesday after the Fed

aggressively cut a key interest rate only to plunge on Wednesday on

renewed worries about the economy and then to stage a 262-point gain

on Thursday. Markets were closed Friday.

> More turbulence is expected in coming weeks because there remains a

great deal of uncertainty about how many more victims the credit

crisis will claim.

> The problems began last year with rising defaults on mortgages as a

housing slump intensified, but they have now spread to other parts of

the credit markets with institutions growing fearful about making

other types of loans.

> It is the ability to get credit that makes the financial system and

the economy it supports function. When banks stop lending to other

institutions that, like Bear Stearns, depend on credit to conduct

their day-to-day operations, the results can be catastrophic.

> " We can't afford to stagger from one day to the next without

knowing what large financial institution might be the next to go down

the tubes because of a lack of liquidity. That is way too dangerous a

game, " said Lyle Gramley, a former Fed board member who is now an

economist with the Stanford Financial Group. " It is possible that we

could be entering the worst recession of the post World War II

period. The threat is certainly there. "

> Because of Bear Stearns, many analysts are raising the odds that a

2008 recession could be worse than expected.

> " The potential freezing up of the financial system could have

pretty negative ramifications on bank lending which would have

negative ramifications on consumer and business spending, " said

Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at Global Insight, a Lexington,

Mass., forecasting firm. He said he had upped the chances of a worse-

than-expected recession to 40 percent, up from 25 percent odds before

Bear Stearns.

> David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York, said

he now has a worst-case-scenario in which the country could endure a

double-dip recession in which the economy would briefly recover this

summer, helped by the $168 billion in tax relief, only to quickly

slip back into a downturn. Under this scenario, the economy's total

output, as measured by the gross domestic product, would drop by 2.2

percentage points, making it the third worst recession in the post

World War II period.

> The worst recession in recent decades, in terms of lost output,

occurred in the 1973-75 period of oil shocks, when GDP fell by 3.1

percent, followed by the 1981-82 recession, when GDP dropped by 2.9

percent.

> By contrast, in the last two recessions output fell by 1.3 percent

in the 1990-91 downturn, and a tiny 0.3 percent in the 2001

recession, making that slump the mildest in the post-war period in

terms of lost output. The 2001 downturn lasted just eight months.

> Wyss' baseline forecast calls for the 2008 downturn to trim GDP by

just 0.5 percent and last for nine months, from last November until

August.

> Under that forecast, unemployment, which hit a low in this

expansion of 4.4 percent and now stands at 4.8 percent, will rise to

around 6 percent, meaning 1.5 million people will lose their jobs.

Under the worst-case forecast, unemployment jumps to 7.5 percent,

meaning 3 million people would be tossed out of work.

> " There would be bigger drops in the stock market and in home prices

than we are now anticipating and more people out of work, " Wyss

said. " There would be a lot of pain all the way around. "

> While they are developing worst-case-scenarios, Wyss and other

economists said they still believe the balance has not tipped from

their more benign main forecasts. One thing that gives them hope is

the expectation that Congress and the Bush administration, having

acted so quickly to pass the first stimulus package, will move

quickly, especially in an election year, to pass a second package if

needed.

> Also, analysts said the Bear Stearns crisis, which has already

prompted the Fed to move more aggressively, will also probably

trigger a bigger response on the part of Congress and the

administration in offering help to homeowners to keep them from

losing their homes because of mortgage defaults.

> " Historically, when policymakers have acted in a concerted and

aggressive way, that signals that we are nearing the end of the

crisis, " said Zandi. " If that occurs this time and the financial

markets stabilize in the next few months, then the economy will

suffer, but it won't be a prolonged and severe recession. "

>

>

> siha <siha

> SAMVA

> Monday, January 28, 2008 3:42:47 AM

> Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

>

>

> Hello my dear Thor,

>

> While the volatility continues the US markets are not coming out of

the recession fears early due to the continued impact of transit

Jupiter and transit Saturn. It is likely to give continued

volatility and stress to other financial and commodity markets

accross the world in the year 2008.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:44 AM

> Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

>

>

> Dear friends

>

> The prediction by for a " serious setbacks across

financial markets across the world " has been realised.

>

> After several days of declines in the US financial market, the

downtrend was halted yesterday, only to resume today, when the losses

were again pronounced.

>

> NASDAQ 2326.2 -34.72 -1.47%

>

> DJIA 12207.17 -171.44 1.38%

> S & P 1330.61 -21.46 -1.59%

>

> Congratulations on another spot on prediction.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

>

> siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in>

> SAMVA

> Cc: @ s.com

> Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM

> FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE

>

>

>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious

setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and

India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a

functional malefic.

>

> Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this

touched the figure of even 10 per cent.

>

> The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th

January and is to last upto 25th January.

>

> This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences

brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak

transit Mars by transit Rahu.

>

> In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit

Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and

second houses.

>

> Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by

US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces.

>

> Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to

slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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There is some controversy going on in the USA and around the world concerning the reasons for the crisis in credit markets that erupted last year and has recently claimed a large bank. Many prominent economists are criticising former Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan, for presiding over decisions to keep interest rates too low in recent years. In turn, Greenspan has written articles and appeared in interviews defending his record. He states the credit crisis was inevitable due to surplus of savings in the world in recent years and that low central bank interest rates did not affect that situation. Ultimately, it was bad lending practices that created the problems not surplus money. This debate is appearing in the world media this weekend when Mercury and Venus are transit conjunct in the 8th house of the SAMVA USA chart

under the exact aspect of natal Ketu in the 4th house.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

Alan Greenspan says market crisis 'inevitable'By Catherine Boyle

Last Updated: 12:24am GMT 23/03/2008

 

 

 

Alan Greenspan has claimed that the current market crisis afflicting the US was inevitable and defended his record as chairman of the Federal Reserve yesterday.The financial crisis in full Comment: Spectre of 1930s haunts Fed's actions

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Economists believe that Alan Greenspan kept interest rates too low for too long

Mr Greenspan's record has been criticised by other economists in recent months as his successor at the Fed, Ben Bernanke, struggles with problems which began during Mr Greenspan's tenure. Many economists believe that he kept interest rates too low for too long, fuelling the US housing bubble, and that he should have kept a closer eye on banks. The once seemingly unassailable Mr Greenspan hit back at his critics in an interview with the Washington Post, and claimed there was little he could have done to prevent the current market crisis. He said: "Those who argue that you can incrementally increase interest rates to defuse bubbles ought to try it some time. "I don't know of a single example of when interest rate policy has been successful in suppressing gains in asset price." Mr Greenspan admitted that the Fed "lost control" of long-term interest rates "as did the Bank of England and

all the central banks. As a consequence, we had very little ability to put a brake on the rise in home prices."

Some economists argue that if the Fed had been able to exert some control over house prices, less people would have been unable to pay back their sub-prime mortgages in the US. Sub-prime mortgages are at the root of the market turmoil.

However, the Fed was more concerned about "corrosive deflation" in the crucial 2003-04 period, according to Greenspan.

The Fed has intervened dramatically in the market in the past week, slashing interest rates by 0.75 percentage points on Tuesday and lending directly to securities firms for the first time since the Great Depression.

Mr Greenspan maintained that the ongoing credit crisis was always going to happen and said: "If it weren't the sub-prime crisis, it would have been something else."

He said that the current crisis was caused by the end of a "protracted period" of "underpricing of risk" and blames financial institutions for deciding that sub-prime mortgage loans were "a steal".

 

Greenspan Stands His Ground

Ex-Chairman Says Fed Policies Didn't Cause Current Woes

 

 

 

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Alan Greenspan says global forces, not the Fed, were to blame for fueling the housing bubble. He also said that a market crisis was inevitable. (By Frank Franklin Ii -- Associated Press)

 

 

Greenspan said in his book released last year, ''The Age of Turbulence,'' that the subprime boom would boost home ownership and was "worth the risk." (By Chip East -- Bloomberg News)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The record of longtime Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan -- worshipped by business leaders and dubbed "Maestro" in a 2000 biography by The Post's Bob Woodward -- is getting a critical look as his successor Ben S. Bernanke wrestles with problems that began on the Maestro's watch.

Many economists blame Greenspan for lax bank supervision and for keeping interest rates too low, too long from mid-2003 to mid-2004. That, the theory goes, fueled the housing bubble and spawned subprime and adjustable-rate mortgages for low-income people, vast numbers of whom can't make their payments now. Banks bought those mortgages in bundles that are worth far less than they originally were. That has led to big write-offs, shaking the entire financial system.

In an interview yesterday, Greenspan said the Fed wasn't to blame. He said that global forces beyond the control of the Federal Reserve had kept long-term interest rates low, fueling the housing bubble earlier this decade. "Those who argue that you can incrementally increase interest rates to defuse bubbles ought to try it some time," he said. "I don't know of a single example of when interest rate policy has been successful in suppressing gains in asset prices."

Regarding the current turmoil, Greenspan said that a market crisis was inevitable. "If it weren't the subprime crisis it would have been something else," he said. That is because an era was ending that had seen "disinflationary forces" from developing countries such as China and a "protracted period" in which there was an "underpricing of risk."

Not all economists are ready to let the former Fed chairman off so easily.

Lee Hoskins, former president of the Cleveland Fed and Fed chairman from 1987 to 1991, says that to find "partial causes" of the credit turmoil, "you have to go back to the Fed's decision to push the federal funds rate down to 1 percent and leave it there for over a year." Hoskins says the Fed "made money very cheap, and we began to see the whole leveraging process we see today. The Fed has to take responsibility for some of that excessive growth."

Greenspan says that the Fed was worried about "corrosive deflation" at the time and that he saw that as a greater threat to the U.S. economy than a housing bubble. "There was a real serious concern about deflation," he said yesterday. "If you look at the notes of the Open Market Committee, the pressures were to go lower than 1 percent. There were no dissents." Bernanke, a member of the Fed board at the time, was also concerned about deflation.

Greenspan also argues that while the Fed has a lot of power over short-term rates, it has less influence over long-term rates, which he asserted were more important to housing prices. Even after the Fed starting raising short-term rates, long-term rates did not rise. He said that at the time "it became apparent that we lost control" of long-term interest rates "as did the Bank of England and all the central banks. As a consequence, we had very little ability to put a brake on the rise in home prices."

But other economists say that the very low short-term rates made adjustable-rate subprime mortgages, those with the worst default rates, more attractive than they otherwise would have been. Hoskins also argues that low short-term rates fed excesses at investment banks, which relied heavily on overnight financing while lending long term. "I don't know what Bear Stearns was banking on. I guess that nothing bad would happen -- ever," Hoskins says.

Others reviewing the Greenspan era at the Fed say there is a difference between the way Greenspan reacted during sharp sell-offs of stocks and the way he reacted to the technology and housing bubbles.

Kenneth Rogoff, a Harvard economics professor and former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, says that "the important point . . . is the philosophy of monetary policy that says 'you don't pay attention to asset prices when they are rising, only when they are falling.' " In reality, Rogoff adds, "if you cut interest rates when asset prices are in free fall, then when asset prices are rising while indebtedness is rising all over country, you need to raise rates. He actively chose not to do that."

Other economists fault Greenspan for his failure to closely regulate big banks. Alan Blinder, a Princeton University economics professor who was vice chairman of the Fed under Greenspan in the mid-1990s, says that the delay in raising rates in 2003-04 was a "minor blemish" on Greenspan's "stellar" record managing monetary policy. But Blinder says that he would give the former chairman "poor marks" for bank supervision, another key role of the Fed.

 

 

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Blinder said that Greenspan "brushed off" warnings -- most notably from fellow Fed governor Ned Gramlich -- about mortgage abuses and dangers.

"Lending standards were being horribly relaxed, and the Fed should have done something about that, not to mention about deceptive and in some cases fraudulent practices," Blinder said. "This was a corner of the credit markets that was allowed to go crazy. It was populated by a lot of people with minimal financial literacy who were being sold bills of goods by mortgage salesmen."

Gramlich, who died last fall, proposed that the Fed send examiners into the consumer lending offices of Fed-regulated bank holding companies, which he said originated about 30 percent of subprime loans. In a speech last Aug. 31, Gramlich said "this whole subprime experience has demonstrated that taking rates down could have some real costs, in terms of encouraging excessive subprime borrowing." Moreover, he added, there was "a giant hole in the supervisory safety net. . . . It is like a city with a murder law but no cops on the beat."

Greenspan said that most of the subprime mortgages were originated by firms regulated by other agencies, but he adds, "In retrospect it was clearly a mistake" not to examine bank lending more closely. He said it was "very late in the game [that] we realized the size of the problem." He said that Gramlich had written him a note shortly before he died saying that if he had been more convinced, he would have pressed harder for action after Greenspan expressed doubts.

Greenspan has also been widely criticized for comments he made on Feb. 23, 2004, in which he encouraged homeowners to take out adjustable-rate mortgages, or ARMs. In a speech to the Credit Union National Association, Greenspan said that a Fed study showed that many homeowners would have saved tens of thousands of dollars over the previous decade if they had taken ARMs.

In fact, if homeowners had converted from ARMs to 30-year fixed-rate mortgages at that time, they might have avoided the repayment problems some people are now experiencing.

Greenspan said yesterday that he tried to correct those comments on March 2, 2004, less than a month later, in a New York speech praising 30-year fixed mortgages. "If I am guilty of encouraging people to take out adjustable-rate mortgages, I am guilty for 30 days," he said.

In his memoir, "The Age of Turbulence," published last year, Greenspan made scant mention of the time bombs that were planted when he was still chairman.

"I was aware that the loosening of mortgage credit terms for subprime borrowers increased financial risk, and that subsidized home ownership initiatives distort market outcomes," Greenspan wrote.

But the former Fed chairman said that the subprime boom would boost home ownership and was "worth the risk." Greenspan said that "protection of property rights, so critical to a market economy, requires a critical mass of owners to sustain political support."

Although home ownership rose from about 64 percent to 69 percent from the early 1990s through the middle of this decade, many analysts say that they doubt that had much effect on U.S. popular support for a market economy.

Regarding the mounting levels of debt, encouraged in part by the low cost of borrowing, Greenspan said that he was "reluctant to underestimate the ability of most households and companies to manage their financial affairs."

Greenspan compared bankers immediately after the Civil War, who he said sought to back two-fifths of their assets with equity, to today's bankers, who "are comfortable with a tenth." Yet, he said, bankruptcy is less prevalent today than it was 140 years ago.

"Rising leverage appears to be the result of massive improvements in technology and infrastructure, not significantly more risk-inclined humans," he wrote. Quoting two 1956 articles in Fortune magazine, alarmed by rising consumer short-term debt and mortgages, Greenspan noted that the magazine's grim forecasts did not come true. Economists worried that the ratio of household debt to household income was so high that it threatened families with delinquency and default, but, Greenspan said, assets and household net worth were rising faster than they knew.

"I do not recall a decade free of surges in angst about the mounting debt of households and businesses," he wrote. "Such fears ignore a fundamental fact of modern life: in a market economy, rising debt goes hand in hand with progress."

Blinder says: "It was not that Americans have too much credit card debt, which they do, or . . . that corporations are overleveraged, which they're probably not. It's not even that the typical American householder has a mortgage that's too big. But in that corner of the [mortgage] market, which turned out to be not such a small corner, a lot of bad practices were going on."

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cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:54:28 PM Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLEDear friends,Another major concern in the USA is the rise in home mortgage foreclosures. These developments have saddled financial institutions with big losses. Former Secretary of the US Treasury and leading banker in New York, Robert Rubin, has been advocating that the funds of tax payers be used to help stave off further loan losses, which he argues otherwise risks a melt-down of the financial system. So far the government has agreed to infuse $150 billion to the financial system and offered limitless loans to cash strapped banks. However, that is not enough, suggests Rubin. Others disagree. Indeed, the loan losses were

based on foolhardy actions and those responsible should bear the consequences. The further use of public funds risks only that "good money follow bad." In other words, it is not an easy situation in the USA today. That said, some respite is predicted for the financial markets in May and June based on the SAMVA USA chart.Best wishes,ThorRubin Calls for Urgent Government Action to Stem Foreclosures By Rich MillerMarch 21 (Bloomberg) -- Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin called for quick government action to tackle the rising level of home foreclosures and he indicated taxpayer money will have to be used. ``There is a strong need for urgent action,'' Rubin, who is chairman of Citigroup Inc.'s executive committee, said. ``I would be very, very seriously considering the possibility of using public funds in one form or another.'' The Federal Housing

Administration should be involved in any stepped-up government effort to help homeowners facing the loss of their houses, Rubin said an interview on Bloomberg Television's ``Political Capital with Al Hunt,'' to be aired today. ``The piece that's missing now, at least in my judgment, is addressing all of these mortgages that face foreclosure.'' U.S. home-foreclosure filings jumped 60 percent and bank seizures more than doubled in February as rates on adjustable mortgages rose and property owners were unable to sell or refinance amid falling prices. The biggest housing slump in a generation, compounded by tighter credit and mounting financial losses, is spilling over to other industries and pushing the broader economy toward a recession. Democratic lawmakers, including House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd of

Connecticut, have put forward a plan to have the FHA insure refinanced mortgages after lenders reduce principal to help struggling borrowers. The Bush administration is resisting the proposal. Rising Foreclosures Rubin, 69, said the rising level of foreclosures is at the heart of the credit crunch. The world's biggest banks and securities firms have reported $195 billion in asset writedowns and credit losses since 2007 stemming from the collapse of the U.S. subprime mortgage market. ``The credit markets themselves are really in uncharted waters,'' Rubin said. ``A lot of trouble could lie ahead.'' He praised the Federal Reserve for the steps it has taken to help the economy and to ease strains in the financial markets. ``The Fed has done a very good job,'' he said. ``The Treasury, working with the Fed, did the right thing conceptually in rescuing Bear Stearns.''

The Fed is providing $30 billion to JPMorgan Chase & Co. to help finance the purchase of Bear Stearns Cos. after a run on Wall Street's fifth-largest securities company. It has also expanded its lending program to include big Wall Street securities firms as well as banks in a bid to stop the crisis. Rubin said that securities companies should be subject to the same regulation as banks now that it's become clear that they will get the same government support. Frank on March 20 called for creation of a super agency to monitor risk across markets. Rubin shied away from saying that the U.S. has already entered into a recession. He saw, though, a 1-in-3 chance that the economy could be in for a deep, prolonged contraction. ``As a policy maker, those risks are high enough so that you would be highly proactive in seeking ways to reduce the risk,'' he said. SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:>> Dear friends,> > The conditions in financial markets continue to be a lead story in the world. In relation to this, I recall the prediction by on SAMVA on January 28, 2008> > "While the volatility continues the US markets are not coming out of the recession fears early due to the continued impact of transit Jupiter and transit Saturn. It is likely to give continued volatility and stress to other financial and commodity markets accross the world in the year 2008."> > This prediction, which is based on the SAMVA USA chart, has come true so far and is still being realised. > > We could note, that in addition to the information in the following news story,

the price of gold and other precious metals prices have dropped sharply in recent days from new highs as stock markets have surged after the most recent bout of panic. Hence, the volatility and stress is indeed affecting "other financial and commodity markets across the world."> > There are presently two major aspects still being felt> - transit Jupiter as 6th lord afflicting natal 4th lord Venus (separating)> - transit Saturn as 8th lord afflicting natal 1st lord Moon (applying)> > Moreover, during the Easter weekend, transit 3rd lord Mercury and 4th lord Venus are moving under the aspect of natal Ketu in the 4th house. This aspect would be adding to the worries this weekend.> > Congratulations, dear on the prescient insights and accurate prediction so far.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > updated 4 hours,

54 minutes ago> Worries grow of deeper U.S. recession> Story Highlights > * Economist Martin Feldstein believes U.S. is in recession, possibly a severe one> > * Severe credit crisis is raising doubts about mild forecasts> > * Bear Stearns went from a stock market value of $3.5B to being sold for $236M> > * Wall Street had a wild week> > > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- It has been almost an article of faith: Any recession this year will be mild and brief. > > A growing number of economists have a U.S. downturn already figured into their forecasts.> > But now the stunning meltdown of a top Wall Street investment bank and stubbornly persistent financial market turbulence has called that into question, raising fears that severe problems in housing and the nation's bedrock financial system could cripple the

economy and wallop many millions of Americans.> No less an authority than former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan wrote this week that "the current financial crisis in the U.S. is likely to be judged as the most wrenching" since the end of World War II.> Other noted economists are also sounding alarms. Harvard professor Martin Feldstein, the former head of the National Bureau of Economic Research, said recently he believes the country is now in a recession and it could be a severe one.> While it will be many months before the bureau's cycle dating committee, the unofficial arbiter of when recessions begin and end, makes its own ruling, a growing number of private economists already have a downturn figured into their forecasts. They are generally calling for a mild recession that will end this summer when the economic stimulus checks going to 130 million households start

getting spent.> But the severe credit crisis that erupted last August -- and claimed its biggest victim this past weekend with the forced sale of Bear Stearns Co. -- is raising doubts about those mild forecasts.> "Bear Stearns was a clear wake-up call. It resonates with everybody and highlights the severity of the stresses in the financial system," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com.> Don't Miss> Companies scale back on travel expenses > Arab leaders unfazed about investing > OECD cuts world growth outlook > What got people's attention was how quickly Bear Stearns, the nation's fifth largest investment bank, could go from a stock market value of about $3.5 billion when the market closed on March 14 to being sold at the bargain-basement price of about $236 million two days later.> The Federal Reserve rushed in to take unprecedented actions. It

provided a $30 billion line of credit to facilitate the sale and is employing Depression-era provisions that for the first time are providing direct Fed loans to investment banks. Most analysts said the Fed was justified and that its efforts highlighted the severity of the dangers facing the financial system.> The turmoil produced wild swings on Wall Street this week with the Dow Jones industrial average surging on Tuesday after the Fed aggressively cut a key interest rate only to plunge on Wednesday on renewed worries about the economy and then to stage a 262-point gain on Thursday. Markets were closed Friday.> More turbulence is expected in coming weeks because there remains a great deal of uncertainty about how many more victims the credit crisis will claim.> The problems began last year with rising defaults on mortgages as a housing slump intensified, but they have now spread to

other parts of the credit markets with institutions growing fearful about making other types of loans.> It is the ability to get credit that makes the financial system and the economy it supports function. When banks stop lending to other institutions that, like Bear Stearns, depend on credit to conduct their day-to-day operations, the results can be catastrophic.> "We can't afford to stagger from one day to the next without knowing what large financial institution might be the next to go down the tubes because of a lack of liquidity. That is way too dangerous a game," said Lyle Gramley, a former Fed board member who is now an economist with the Stanford Financial Group. "It is possible that we could be entering the worst recession of the post World War II period. The threat is certainly there."> Because of Bear Stearns, many analysts are raising the odds that a 2008 recession could be

worse than expected.> "The potential freezing up of the financial system could have pretty negative ramifications on bank lending which would have negative ramifications on consumer and business spending," said Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at Global Insight, a Lexington, Mass., forecasting firm. He said he had upped the chances of a worse-than-expected recession to 40 percent, up from 25 percent odds before Bear Stearns.> David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York, said he now has a worst-case-scenario in which the country could endure a double-dip recession in which the economy would briefly recover this summer, helped by the $168 billion in tax relief, only to quickly slip back into a downturn. Under this scenario, the economy's total output, as measured by the gross domestic product, would drop by 2.2 percentage points, making it the third worst recession in the

post World War II period.> The worst recession in recent decades, in terms of lost output, occurred in the 1973-75 period of oil shocks, when GDP fell by 3.1 percent, followed by the 1981-82 recession, when GDP dropped by 2.9 percent.> By contrast, in the last two recessions output fell by 1.3 percent in the 1990-91 downturn, and a tiny 0.3 percent in the 2001 recession, making that slump the mildest in the post-war period in terms of lost output. The 2001 downturn lasted just eight months.> Wyss' baseline forecast calls for the 2008 downturn to trim GDP by just 0.5 percent and last for nine months, from last November until August.> Under that forecast, unemployment, which hit a low in this expansion of 4.4 percent and now stands at 4.8 percent, will rise to around 6 percent, meaning 1.5 million people will lose their jobs. Under the worst-case forecast, unemployment jumps to

7.5 percent, meaning 3 million people would be tossed out of work.> "There would be bigger drops in the stock market and in home prices than we are now anticipating and more people out of work," Wyss said. "There would be a lot of pain all the way around."> While they are developing worst-case-scenarios, Wyss and other economists said they still believe the balance has not tipped from their more benign main forecasts. One thing that gives them hope is the expectation that Congress and the Bush administration, having acted so quickly to pass the first stimulus package, will move quickly, especially in an election year, to pass a second package if needed.> Also, analysts said the Bear Stearns crisis, which has already prompted the Fed to move more aggressively, will also probably trigger a bigger response on the part of Congress and the administration in offering help to homeowners to

keep them from losing their homes because of mortgage defaults.> "Historically, when policymakers have acted in a concerted and aggressive way, that signals that we are nearing the end of the crisis," said Zandi. "If that occurs this time and the financial markets stabilize in the next few months, then the economy will suffer, but it won't be a prolonged and severe recession." > > > siha <siha> SAMVA > Monday, January 28, 2008 3:42:47 AM> Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE> > > Hello my dear Thor,> > While the volatility continues the US markets are not coming out of the recession fears early due to the continued impact of transit Jupiter and transit

Saturn. It is likely to give continued volatility and stress to other financial and commodity markets accross the world in the year 2008.> > Best wishes.> > > > > > > - > Cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:44 AM> Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE> > > Dear friends> > The prediction by for a "serious setbacks across financial markets across the world" has been realised. > > After several days of declines in the US financial market, the downtrend was halted yesterday, only to resume today, when the losses were again

pronounced.> > NASDAQ 2326.2 -34.72 -1.47%> > DJIA 12207.17 -171.44 1.38%> S & P 1330.61 -21.46 -1.59%> > Congratulations on another spot on prediction.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > > > siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in>> SAMVA > Cc: @ s.com> Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM> FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE> > > > Hello dear list members,> > The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the

charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic. > > Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.> > The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January. > > This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu. > > In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses. > > Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces. > > Indian markets sccumbed to international cues -

apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.> > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping>---

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Hello my dear Thor, Mr. Greenspan is right in saying that the problem arose due to bad lending practices to employ the available funds at the command of lending institutions. The transit influence indicators in US SAMVA charts are relevant.

 

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There is some controversy going on in the USA and around the world concerning the reasons for the crisis in credit markets that erupted last year and has recently claimed a large bank. Many prominent economists are criticising former Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan, for presiding over decisions to keep interest rates too low in recent years. In turn, Greenspan has written articles and appeared in interviews defending his record. He states the credit crisis was inevitable due to surplus of savings in the world in recent years and that low central bank interest rates did not affect that situation. Ultimately, it was bad lending practices that created the problems not surplus money. This debate is appearing in the world media this weekend when Mercury and Venus are transit conjunct in the 8th house of the SAMVA USA chart under the exact aspect of natal Ketu in the 4th house.

 

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Alan Greenspan says market crisis 'inevitable'By Catherine Boyle

Last Updated: 12:24am GMT 23/03/2008

 

 

 

Alan Greenspan has claimed that the current market crisis afflicting the US was inevitable and defended his record as chairman of the Federal Reserve yesterday.The financial crisis in full Comment: Spectre of 1930s haunts Fed's actions

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Economists believe that Alan Greenspan kept interest rates too low for too long

Mr Greenspan's record has been criticised by other economists in recent months as his successor at the Fed, Ben Bernanke, struggles with problems which began during Mr Greenspan's tenure. Many economists believe that he kept interest rates too low for too long, fuelling the US housing bubble, and that he should have kept a closer eye on banks. The once seemingly unassailable Mr Greenspan hit back at his critics in an interview with the Washington Post, and claimed there was little he could have done to prevent the current market crisis. He said: "Those who argue that you can incrementally increase interest rates to defuse bubbles ought to try it some time. "I don't know of a single example of when interest rate policy has been successful in suppressing gains in asset price." Mr Greenspan admitted that the Fed "lost control" of long-term interest rates "as did the Bank of England and all the central banks. As a consequence, we had very little ability to put a brake on the rise in home prices."

Some economists argue that if the Fed had been able to exert some control over house prices, less people would have been unable to pay back their sub-prime mortgages in the US. Sub-prime mortgages are at the root of the market turmoil.

However, the Fed was more concerned about "corrosive deflation" in the crucial 2003-04 period, according to Greenspan.

The Fed has intervened dramatically in the market in the past week, slashing interest rates by 0.75 percentage points on Tuesday and lending directly to securities firms for the first time since the Great Depression.

Mr Greenspan maintained that the ongoing credit crisis was always going to happen and said: "If it weren't the sub-prime crisis, it would have been something else."

He said that the current crisis was caused by the end of a "protracted period" of "underpricing of risk" and blames financial institutions for deciding that sub-prime mortgage loans were "a steal".

 

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Alan Greenspan says global forces, not the Fed, were to blame for fueling the housing bubble. He also said that a market crisis was inevitable. (By Frank Franklin Ii -- Associated Press)

 

 

Greenspan said in his book released last year, ''The Age of Turbulence,'' that the subprime boom would boost home ownership and was "worth the risk." (By Chip East -- Bloomberg News)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Perhaps the Maestro composed some discordant notes after all.

 

 

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The record of longtime Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan -- worshipped by business leaders and dubbed "Maestro" in a 2000 biography by The Post's Bob Woodward -- is getting a critical look as his successor Ben S. Bernanke wrestles with problems that began on the Maestro's watch.

Many economists blame Greenspan for lax bank supervision and for keeping interest rates too low, too long from mid-2003 to mid-2004. That, the theory goes, fueled the housing bubble and spawned subprime and adjustable-rate mortgages for low-income people, vast numbers of whom can't make their payments now. Banks bought those mortgages in bundles that are worth far less than they originally were. That has led to big write-offs, shaking the entire financial system.

In an interview yesterday, Greenspan said the Fed wasn't to blame. He said that global forces beyond the control of the Federal Reserve had kept long-term interest rates low, fueling the housing bubble earlier this decade. "Those who argue that you can incrementally increase interest rates to defuse bubbles ought to try it some time," he said. "I don't know of a single example of when interest rate policy has been successful in suppressing gains in asset prices."

Regarding the current turmoil, Greenspan said that a market crisis was inevitable. "If it weren't the subprime crisis it would have been something else," he said. That is because an era was ending that had seen "disinflationary forces" from developing countries such as China and a "protracted period" in which there was an "underpricing of risk."

Not all economists are ready to let the former Fed chairman off so easily.

Lee Hoskins, former president of the Cleveland Fed and Fed chairman from 1987 to 1991, says that to find "partial causes" of the credit turmoil, "you have to go back to the Fed's decision to push the federal funds rate down to 1 percent and leave it there for over a year." Hoskins says the Fed "made money very cheap, and we began to see the whole leveraging process we see today. The Fed has to take responsibility for some of that excessive growth."

Greenspan says that the Fed was worried about "corrosive deflation" at the time and that he saw that as a greater threat to the U.S. economy than a housing bubble. "There was a real serious concern about deflation," he said yesterday. "If you look at the notes of the Open Market Committee, the pressures were to go lower than 1 percent. There were no dissents." Bernanke, a member of the Fed board at the time, was also concerned about deflation.

Greenspan also argues that while the Fed has a lot of power over short-term rates, it has less influence over long-term rates, which he asserted were more important to housing prices. Even after the Fed starting raising short-term rates, long-term rates did not rise. He said that at the time "it became apparent that we lost control" of long-term interest rates "as did the Bank of England and all the central banks. As a consequence, we had very little ability to put a brake on the rise in home prices."

But other economists say that the very low short-term rates made adjustable-rate subprime mortgages, those with the worst default rates, more attractive than they otherwise would have been. Hoskins also argues that low short-term rates fed excesses at investment banks, which relied heavily on overnight financing while lending long term. "I don't know what Bear Stearns was banking on. I guess that nothing bad would happen -- ever," Hoskins says.

Others reviewing the Greenspan era at the Fed say there is a difference between the way Greenspan reacted during sharp sell-offs of stocks and the way he reacted to the technology and housing bubbles.

Kenneth Rogoff, a Harvard economics professor and former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, says that "the important point . . . is the philosophy of monetary policy that says 'you don't pay attention to asset prices when they are rising, only when they are falling.' " In reality, Rogoff adds, "if you cut interest rates when asset prices are in free fall, then when asset prices are rising while indebtedness is rising all over country, you need to raise rates. He actively chose not to do that."

Other economists fault Greenspan for his failure to closely regulate big banks. Alan Blinder, a Princeton University economics professor who was vice chairman of the Fed under Greenspan in the mid-1990s, says that the delay in raising rates in 2003-04 was a "minor blemish" on Greenspan's "stellar" record managing monetary policy. But Blinder says that he would give the former chairman "poor marks" for bank supervision, another key role of the Fed.

 

 

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Blinder said that Greenspan "brushed off" warnings -- most notably from fellow Fed governor Ned Gramlich -- about mortgage abuses and dangers.

"Lending standards were being horribly relaxed, and the Fed should have done something about that, not to mention about deceptive and in some cases fraudulent practices," Blinder said. "This was a corner of the credit markets that was allowed to go crazy. It was populated by a lot of people with minimal financial literacy who were being sold bills of goods by mortgage salesmen."

Gramlich, who died last fall, proposed that the Fed send examiners into the consumer lending offices of Fed-regulated bank holding companies, which he said originated about 30 percent of subprime loans. In a speech last Aug. 31, Gramlich said "this whole subprime experience has demonstrated that taking rates down could have some real costs, in terms of encouraging excessive subprime borrowing." Moreover, he added, there was "a giant hole in the supervisory safety net. . . . It is like a city with a murder law but no cops on the beat."

Greenspan said that most of the subprime mortgages were originated by firms regulated by other agencies, but he adds, "In retrospect it was clearly a mistake" not to examine bank lending more closely. He said it was "very late in the game [that] we realized the size of the problem." He said that Gramlich had written him a note shortly before he died saying that if he had been more convinced, he would have pressed harder for action after Greenspan expressed doubts.

Greenspan has also been widely criticized for comments he made on Feb. 23, 2004, in which he encouraged homeowners to take out adjustable-rate mortgages, or ARMs. In a speech to the Credit Union National Association, Greenspan said that a Fed study showed that many homeowners would have saved tens of thousands of dollars over the previous decade if they had taken ARMs.

In fact, if homeowners had converted from ARMs to 30-year fixed-rate mortgages at that time, they might have avoided the repayment problems some people are now experiencing.

Greenspan said yesterday that he tried to correct those comments on March 2, 2004, less than a month later, in a New York speech praising 30-year fixed mortgages. "If I am guilty of encouraging people to take out adjustable-rate mortgages, I am guilty for 30 days," he said.

In his memoir, "The Age of Turbulence," published last year, Greenspan made scant mention of the time bombs that were planted when he was still chairman.

"I was aware that the loosening of mortgage credit terms for subprime borrowers increased financial risk, and that subsidized home ownership initiatives distort market outcomes," Greenspan wrote.

But the former Fed chairman said that the subprime boom would boost home ownership and was "worth the risk." Greenspan said that "protection of property rights, so critical to a market economy, requires a critical mass of owners to sustain political support."

Although home ownership rose from about 64 percent to 69 percent from the early 1990s through the middle of this decade, many analysts say that they doubt that had much effect on U.S. popular support for a market economy.

Regarding the mounting levels of debt, encouraged in part by the low cost of borrowing, Greenspan said that he was "reluctant to underestimate the ability of most households and companies to manage their financial affairs."

Greenspan compared bankers immediately after the Civil War, who he said sought to back two-fifths of their assets with equity, to today's bankers, who "are comfortable with a tenth." Yet, he said, bankruptcy is less prevalent today than it was 140 years ago.

"Rising leverage appears to be the result of massive improvements in technology and infrastructure, not significantly more risk-inclined humans," he wrote. Quoting two 1956 articles in Fortune magazine, alarmed by rising consumer short-term debt and mortgages, Greenspan noted that the magazine's grim forecasts did not come true. Economists worried that the ratio of household debt to household income was so high that it threatened families with delinquency and default, but, Greenspan said, assets and household net worth were rising faster than they knew.

"I do not recall a decade free of surges in angst about the mounting debt of households and businesses," he wrote. "Such fears ignore a fundamental fact of modern life: in a market economy, rising debt goes hand in hand with progress."

Blinder says: "It was not that Americans have too much credit card debt, which they do, or . . . that corporations are overleveraged, which they're probably not. It's not even that the typical American householder has a mortgage that's too big. But in that corner of the [mortgage] market, which turned out to be not such a small corner, a lot of bad practices were going on."

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cosmologer <cosmologer >SAMVA Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:54:28 PM Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLEDear friends,Another major concern in the USA is the rise in home mortgage foreclosures. These developments have saddled financial institutions with big losses. Former Secretary of the US Treasury and leading banker in New York, Robert Rubin, has been advocating that the funds of tax payers be used to help stave off further loan losses, which he argues otherwise risks a melt-down of the financial system. So far the government has agreed to infuse $150 billion to the financial system and offered limitless loans to cash strapped banks. However, that is not enough, suggests Rubin. Others disagree. Indeed, the loan losses were based on foolhardy actions and those responsible should bear the consequences. The further use of public funds risks only that "good money follow bad." In other words, it is not an easy situation in the USA today. That said, some respite is predicted for the financial markets in May and June based on the SAMVA USA chart.Best wishes,ThorRubin Calls for Urgent Government Action to Stem Foreclosures By Rich MillerMarch 21 (Bloomberg) -- Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin called for quick government action to tackle the rising level of home foreclosures and he indicated taxpayer money will have to be used. ``There is a strong need for urgent action,'' Rubin, who is chairman of Citigroup Inc.'s executive committee, said. ``I would be very, very seriously considering the possibility of using public funds in one form or another.'' The Federal Housing Administration should be involved in any stepped-up government effort to help homeowners facing the loss of their houses, Rubin said an interview on Bloomberg Television's ``Political Capital with Al Hunt,'' to be aired today. ``The piece that's missing now, at least in my judgment, is addressing all of these mortgages that face foreclosure.'' U.S. home-foreclosure filings jumped 60 percent and bank seizures more than doubled in February as rates on adjustable mortgages rose and property owners were unable to sell or refinance amid falling prices. The biggest housing slump in a generation, compounded by tighter credit and mounting financial losses, is spilling over to other industries and pushing the broader economy toward a recession. Democratic lawmakers, including House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd of Connecticut, have put forward a plan to have the FHA insure refinanced mortgages after lenders reduce principal to help struggling borrowers. The Bush administration is resisting the proposal. Rising Foreclosures Rubin, 69, said the rising level of foreclosures is at the heart of the credit crunch. The world's biggest banks and securities firms have reported $195 billion in asset writedowns and credit losses since 2007 stemming from the collapse of the U.S. subprime mortgage market. ``The credit markets themselves are really in uncharted waters,'' Rubin said. ``A lot of trouble could lie ahead.'' He praised the Federal Reserve for the steps it has taken to help the economy and to ease strains in the financial markets. ``The Fed has done a very good job,'' he said. ``The Treasury, working with the Fed, did the right thing conceptually in rescuing Bear Stearns.'' The Fed is providing $30 billion to JPMorgan Chase & Co. to help finance the purchase of Bear Stearns Cos. after a run on Wall Street's fifth-largest securities company. It has also expanded its lending program to include big Wall Street securities firms as well as banks in a bid to stop the crisis. Rubin said that securities companies should be subject to the same regulation as banks now that it's become clear that they will get the same government support. Frank on March 20 called for creation of a super agency to monitor risk across markets. Rubin shied away from saying that the U.S. has already entered into a recession. He saw, though, a 1-in-3 chance that the economy could be in for a deep, prolonged contraction. ``As a policy maker, those risks are high enough so that you would be highly proactive in seeking ways to reduce the risk,'' he said. SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:>> Dear friends,> > The conditions in financial markets continue to be a lead story in the world. In relation to this, I recall the prediction by on SAMVA on January 28, 2008> > "While the volatility continues the US markets are not coming out of the recession fears early due to the continued impact of transit Jupiter and transit Saturn. It is likely to give continued volatility and stress to other financial and commodity markets accross the world in the year 2008."> > This prediction, which is based on the SAMVA USA chart, has come true so far and is still being realised. > > We could note, that in addition to the information in the following news story, the price of gold and other precious metals prices have dropped sharply in recent days from new highs as stock markets have surged after the most recent bout of panic. Hence, the volatility and stress is indeed affecting "other financial and commodity markets across the world."> > There are presently two major aspects still being felt> - transit Jupiter as 6th lord afflicting natal 4th lord Venus (separating)> - transit Saturn as 8th lord afflicting natal 1st lord Moon (applying)> > Moreover, during the Easter weekend, transit 3rd lord Mercury and 4th lord Venus are moving under the aspect of natal Ketu in the 4th house. This aspect would be adding to the worries this weekend.> > Congratulations, dear on the prescient insights and accurate prediction so far.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > updated 4 hours, 54 minutes ago> Worries grow of deeper U.S. recession> Story Highlights > * Economist Martin Feldstein believes U.S. is in recession, possibly a severe one> > * Severe credit crisis is raising doubts about mild forecasts> > * Bear Stearns went from a stock market value of $3.5B to being sold for $236M> > * Wall Street had a wild week> > > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- It has been almost an article of faith: Any recession this year will be mild and brief. > > A growing number of economists have a U.S. downturn already figured into their forecasts.> > But now the stunning meltdown of a top Wall Street investment bank and stubbornly persistent financial market turbulence has called that into question, raising fears that severe problems in housing and the nation's bedrock financial system could cripple the economy and wallop many millions of Americans.> No less an authority than former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan wrote this week that "the current financial crisis in the U.S. is likely to be judged as the most wrenching" since the end of World War II.> Other noted economists are also sounding alarms. Harvard professor Martin Feldstein, the former head of the National Bureau of Economic Research, said recently he believes the country is now in a recession and it could be a severe one.> While it will be many months before the bureau's cycle dating committee, the unofficial arbiter of when recessions begin and end, makes its own ruling, a growing number of private economists already have a downturn figured into their forecasts. They are generally calling for a mild recession that will end this summer when the economic stimulus checks going to 130 million households start getting spent.> But the severe credit crisis that erupted last August -- and claimed its biggest victim this past weekend with the forced sale of Bear Stearns Co. -- is raising doubts about those mild forecasts.> "Bear Stearns was a clear wake-up call. It resonates with everybody and highlights the severity of the stresses in the financial system," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com.> Don't Miss> Companies scale back on travel expenses > Arab leaders unfazed about investing > OECD cuts world growth outlook > What got people's attention was how quickly Bear Stearns, the nation's fifth largest investment bank, could go from a stock market value of about $3.5 billion when the market closed on March 14 to being sold at the bargain-basement price of about $236 million two days later.> The Federal Reserve rushed in to take unprecedented actions. It provided a $30 billion line of credit to facilitate the sale and is employing Depression-era provisions that for the first time are providing direct Fed loans to investment banks. Most analysts said the Fed was justified and that its efforts highlighted the severity of the dangers facing the financial system.> The turmoil produced wild swings on Wall Street this week with the Dow Jones industrial average surging on Tuesday after the Fed aggressively cut a key interest rate only to plunge on Wednesday on renewed worries about the economy and then to stage a 262-point gain on Thursday. Markets were closed Friday.> More turbulence is expected in coming weeks because there remains a great deal of uncertainty about how many more victims the credit crisis will claim.> The problems began last year with rising defaults on mortgages as a housing slump intensified, but they have now spread to other parts of the credit markets with institutions growing fearful about making other types of loans.> It is the ability to get credit that makes the financial system and the economy it supports function. When banks stop lending to other institutions that, like Bear Stearns, depend on credit to conduct their day-to-day operations, the results can be catastrophic.> "We can't afford to stagger from one day to the next without knowing what large financial institution might be the next to go down the tubes because of a lack of liquidity. That is way too dangerous a game," said Lyle Gramley, a former Fed board member who is now an economist with the Stanford Financial Group. "It is possible that we could be entering the worst recession of the post World War II period. The threat is certainly there."> Because of Bear Stearns, many analysts are raising the odds that a 2008 recession could be worse than expected.> "The potential freezing up of the financial system could have pretty negative ramifications on bank lending which would have negative ramifications on consumer and business spending," said Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at Global Insight, a Lexington, Mass., forecasting firm. He said he had upped the chances of a worse-than-expected recession to 40 percent, up from 25 percent odds before Bear Stearns.> David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York, said he now has a worst-case-scenario in which the country could endure a double-dip recession in which the economy would briefly recover this summer, helped by the $168 billion in tax relief, only to quickly slip back into a downturn. Under this scenario, the economy's total output, as measured by the gross domestic product, would drop by 2.2 percentage points, making it the third worst recession in the post World War II period.> The worst recession in recent decades, in terms of lost output, occurred in the 1973-75 period of oil shocks, when GDP fell by 3.1 percent, followed by the 1981-82 recession, when GDP dropped by 2.9 percent.> By contrast, in the last two recessions output fell by 1.3 percent in the 1990-91 downturn, and a tiny 0.3 percent in the 2001 recession, making that slump the mildest in the post-war period in terms of lost output. The 2001 downturn lasted just eight months.> Wyss' baseline forecast calls for the 2008 downturn to trim GDP by just 0.5 percent and last for nine months, from last November until August.> Under that forecast, unemployment, which hit a low in this expansion of 4.4 percent and now stands at 4.8 percent, will rise to around 6 percent, meaning 1.5 million people will lose their jobs. Under the worst-case forecast, unemployment jumps to 7.5 percent, meaning 3 million people would be tossed out of work.> "There would be bigger drops in the stock market and in home prices than we are now anticipating and more people out of work," Wyss said. "There would be a lot of pain all the way around."> While they are developing worst-case-scenarios, Wyss and other economists said they still believe the balance has not tipped from their more benign main forecasts. One thing that gives them hope is the expectation that Congress and the Bush administration, having acted so quickly to pass the first stimulus package, will move quickly, especially in an election year, to pass a second package if needed.> Also, analysts said the Bear Stearns crisis, which has already prompted the Fed to move more aggressively, will also probably trigger a bigger response on the part of Congress and the administration in offering help to homeowners to keep them from losing their homes because of mortgage defaults.> "Historically, when policymakers have acted in a concerted and aggressive way, that signals that we are nearing the end of the crisis," said Zandi. "If that occurs this time and the financial markets stabilize in the next few months, then the economy will suffer, but it won't be a prolonged and severe recession." > > > siha <siha> SAMVA > Monday, January 28, 2008 3:42:47 AM> Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE> > > Hello my dear Thor,> > While the volatility continues the US markets are not coming out of the recession fears early due to the continued impact of transit Jupiter and transit Saturn. It is likely to give continued volatility and stress to other financial and commodity markets accross the world in the year 2008.> > Best wishes.> > > > > > > - > Cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:44 AM> Re: FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE> > > Dear friends> > The prediction by for a "serious setbacks across financial markets across the world" has been realised. > > After several days of declines in the US financial market, the downtrend was halted yesterday, only to resume today, when the losses were again pronounced.> > NASDAQ 2326.2 -34.72 -1.47%> > DJIA 12207.17 -171.44 1.38%> S & P 1330.61 -21.46 -1.59%> > Congratulations on another spot on prediction.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > > > siha <siha@airtelbroadban d.in>> SAMVA > Cc: @ s.com> Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:33:25 AM> FINANCIAL MARKETS TUMBLE> > > > Hello dear list members,> > The exact aspect of Jupiter to Saturn in transit is causing serious setbacks to financial markets accross the world including to US and India as the charts of both of these countries have Jupiter as a functional malefic. > > Indian markets had the biggest ever fall. In intraday trading this touched the figure of even 10 per cent.> > The maximum impact period of this exact aspect started on 18th January and is to last upto 25th January. > > This transit influence has been aided by other transit influences brought out earlier in the form of persisting affliction to weak transit Mars by transit Rahu. > > In Indian chart transit Ketu afflicted transit Venus and transit Venus caused affliction to natal Mars and MEP of the eighth and second houses. > > Due to planetary afflictions even the relief measures announced by US President, Mr. Bush, were shrugged off by the market forces. > > Indian markets sccumbed to international cues - apprehensions to slowing down of US economy and setbacks in other global markets.> > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping>---

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