Mr. John McCain & Mr. Mitt Romney

February 4, 2008

Hello dear Mr. Thor, dear Dr. Smith and dear list members, The natal promise is the first thing and then comes the turn of sub period and transit. While long persisting transit do supersede the sub period results, but natal promise is the main consideration.

Having gone through all the discussions and the charts of both of these candidates presented on the SAMVA list, I find that between Mr. John McCain and Mr. Mitt Romney, Mr. John McCain has better natal promise and better chance to win the nomination of his party to contest as President.

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Shayn Smith

SAMVA

Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:40 AM

Re: Jupiter and John McCain

Hello Thor,

I, too would welcome the Professor's assessment of Mr. McCain's chances. Perhaps I have overly emphasized the subperiod's role. After all, the Professor does say that transit impacts supercede trend results. With that said, I would like to present Mitt Romney's chart in a separate post.

Warm regards,Shayn

Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 1:26:53 PMRe: Jupiter and John McCain

Dear Shayn,

I agree with you that the presence of his strong sub-period lord, L4 Jupiter, in its own sign and house on election day, along with L2 Venus and L11 Moon in the MEP of the 4th house, is a tremendous asset.

However, I cannot deny that there are many adverse transits in his chart on that day:

- transit L6 Saturn stationary conjunct his natal L12 Sun in H12 under the aspect of natal Rahu in H4.

- transit L8 Mars in H10 (afflicted by transit Rahu in H6) aspecting his natal L2 Venus in H12 (natally afflicted by L6 Saturn)

- transit L12 Sun in H5 aspecting his natal L8 Mars in H11

- transit L1 Mercury in H5 MEP combust and conjunct transit L12 Sun and under aspect from natal Mars.

- transit Rahu in H6 in wide aspect to natal Ketu in H10 and transit Ketu aspecting natal Rahu.

It strikes me that he may do sufficiently well to continue but may be hobbled by other candidates also doing well, with this and that candidate doing well here and there. In short, I think he may not gain the unambigous lead tomorrow he so very much desires to become the candidate of his party for the President of the USA. That said, he lives to fight another day.

I´d be interested in the assessment of on his chances.

Best wishes,

Thor

Shayn Smith <mactunesmith@ >SAMVA Monday, February 4, 2008 7:32:01 PMRe: Jupiter and John McCain

Dear Thor and List,Thank you for the article on McCain's "pugnacious style." It is interesting to note that for most of his tenure in Congress, he was elected in 1982, the Saturn main period has been in operation. No wonder he has the reputation. Also, Saturn's position in its own 6th house on the MEP has given him a strong sense of financial acumen which is shown in his role as Chair of the Senate Commerce Committee, his campaign finance reform bill, and his attacks against "pork" spending in which many of his colleagues engage. The Sun's strong position in its own MT sign in H12 makes him an expert on foreign affairs.

Tomorrow on Super Tuesday slow-moving transiting Mars, L8, continues to assail his weak natal Venus, L2 and Saturn continues its transit over his natal Sun. Although these transits will present setbacks in some states, the subperiod lord, Jupiter, in its strong transit position, should prevail and give him an overall victory.

Warm regards,Shayn

Cosmologer <cosmologer >SAMVA Monday, February 4, 2008 9:06:11 AMRe: Jupiter and John McCain

Dear Shayn and list,

He has 26° Virgo rising.

A notable placement is that of 4th lord Jupiter on the most effective point of his 3rd house. John McCain has got a reputation for honesty, courage and straight talk. Jupiter also aspects 7th house of spouse and foreign trips, 9th house of father and luck and 11th house income and aspirations. Jupiter is slightly weakened by being badly placed in the 8th house and debilitated in the Leo rising Navamsa chart (its lord Sun is placed in the 12th house).

His 1st lord Mercury is exalted in the 1st house, giving a quick wit and ability as a communicator. He is famous for his exploits (mainly as prisoner of war in the Vietnam War where he endured unbelievable torture at the hands of his captors. Never giving in, he gave his co-prisoners courage to continue). However, Mercury is also slightly weakened by being debilitated and badly placed in the 8th house of the Navamsa chart.

With 2nd lord Venus badly placed and in old age in the 12th house under aspect from 6th lord Saturn in the 6th house joined he has a reputation for being combative with his colleagues. Saturn thereby affl Venus is joined by 12th lord Sun in the 12th house. It is thought he does not enjoy more than token support to become the Presidential candidate from some of his colleagues in the Senate.

As Sa/Ju period is running he is benefitting by his strong and well placed Jupiter, giving him more progress in the run for this office than ever before, even if he is now in his 72nd year, the stage in his life when most in his age group are comfortably retired, he is still going strong.

Best wishes,

Thor

GOP Senators Reassess Views About McCainHis Old Foes Still Wary Of His Pugnacious Style

By Paul KaneWashington Post Staff WriterMonday, February 4, 2008; A01

John McCain once testified under oath that a Senate colleague inappropriately used tobacco corporation donations to sway votes on legislation. He cursed out another colleague in front of 20 senators and staff members, questioning the senator's grip on immigration legislation. And, on the Senate floor, McCain (R-Ariz.) accused another colleague of "egregious behavior" for helping a defense contractor in a move he said resembled "corporate scandals."

And those were just the Republicans.

In a chamber once known for cordiality if not outright gentility, McCain has battled his fellow senators for more than two decades in a fashion that has been forceful and sometimes personal. Now, with the conservative maverick on the brink of securing his party's presidential nomination, McCain's Republican colleagues are grappling with the idea of him at the top of their ticket.

"There would be a lot of people who would have to recalibrate their attitudes toward John," said Sen. Robert F. Bennett (R-Utah), a supporter of Mitt Romney's who has clashed with McCain.

Many Senate Republicans, even those who have jousted with McCain in the past, say their reassessment is underway. Sensing the increasing likelihood that he will be the nominee, GOP senators who have publicly fought with him are emphasizing his war-hero background and playing down past confrontations.

"I forgive him for whatever disagreements he has had with me. We can disagree on things, but I have great admiration for him," said Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), a senior member of the Appropriations Committee who has often argued with McCain over government spending.

But others have outright rejected the idea of a McCain nomination and presidency, warning that his tirades suggest a temperament unfit for the Oval Office.

"The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine," Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.), also a senior member of the Appropriations panel, told the Boston Globe recently. "He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."

A former colleague says McCain's abrasive nature would, at minimum, make his relations with Republicans on Capitol Hill uneasy if he were to become president. McCain could find himself the victim of Republicans who will not go the extra mile for him on legislative issues because of past grievances.

"John was very rough in the sandbox," said former senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), who is outspoken in his opposition to McCain's candidacy. "Everybody has a McCain story. If you work in the Senate for a while, you have a McCain story. . . . He hasn't built up a lot of goodwill."

Santorum was a fierce advocate for the GOP's social conservative wing -- a group particularly hostile to McCain because of his apostasy on immigration and same-sex marriage -- while Cochran is considered one of the more genteel senators. Both men back Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, for president.

To McCain's allies, his fiery personality is part of the "Straight Talk" lore, and a positive quality in a passionate fighter who will tell you to your face how much he dislikes an idea.

"When he's arguing about something he believes in, he's arguing about it," said Mark Salter, a top aide to McCain. "It's an admirable trait, the capacity to be outraged."

Salter scoffed at the idea that McCain is not fit to be president and said most stories about his temper are "wildly exaggerated. " He pointed to McCain's success at "across-the- aisle cooperation" with Democrats as an example of how he would deal with Congress if elected president.

Those legislative wins include a major campaign finance law in his name in 2002 and a deal with 14 Democrats and Republicans in 2005 that broke Democratic filibusters on judicial nominees. "That resulted in a lot of good, solid, conservative jurists being confirmed," Salter said.

McCain's battles with colleagues have often gone beyond the ins and outs of policy, taking on a fierce personal tone that other senators do not often engage in, at least not in public.

Stevens, for example, has long stuffed the annual Pentagon spending bill with earmarked provisions for his home state that draw the ire of McCain, who has crusaded against such pet projects. In 2002, Stevens inserted an unusual provision in the defense appropriations bill that allowed Boeing Corp. to lease fuel tankers to the Air Force for $21 billion.

McCain regularly took to the floor to criticize the provision and tried to steal jurisdiction from Stevens's subcommittee so he could kill the deal. "This is the same kind of egregious behavior we often rail against here on the Senate floor when it comes to corporate scandals," he said.

While he has lost almost every earmark fight with Stevens, McCain won the Boeing battle by using his perch atop the Commerce Committee in 2003 and 2004 to investigate the lease deal, uncovering corruption inside the Air Force procurement office.

As president, one of McCain's most critical relationships would be with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), a necessary ally in the conflict with a Democratic-led Congress. But their relationship has been gravely tested.

In 2003, after McConnell challenged the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law in court, McCain gave testimony that almost accused McConnell of breaking federal laws. Under oath, he said that in 1998 McConnell tried to scuttle McCain's legislation to settle lawsuits against the tobacco industry by informing GOP senators that Big Tobacco would spend millions of dollars supporting candidates who opposed McCain's bill.

McConnell has denied the nature of the allegation, but that deposition culminated a five-year fight between the senators over the tobacco bill and the campaign finance legislation. But McConnell said last week that he would have no trouble with McCain as the nominee or as president.

"We've had a great relationship since," McConnell said. "All of them [McCain's fights] have been respectable and entirely within the traditions of the Senate."

McCain's relationship with House Republicans has been strained for years. After stumping for more than 50 GOP candidates during the 2000 campaign, McCain dramatically scaled back his efforts in 2002 out of pique toward House Republicans who opposed his effort to overhaul campaign finance law. In 2004, while McCain was objecting to GOP-backed tax cuts, then-Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) suggested that the senator, a former prisoner of war, should go to Walter Reed Army Medical Center to see what "sacrifice" meant to the nation.

Nevertheless, many House Republicans now view McCain as the best possible nominee. Despite the senator's heresies on taxes, immigration and campaign finance, Rep. Tom Cole (Okla.), chairman of the Republican campaign committee, said McCain could appeal to independent voters.

"You'll have more Democrats running away from Hillary Clinton than you'll have Republicans running away from our nominee," he said.

In his first run for the presidency in 2000, McCain's temperament became an issue as campaign aides to George W. Bush questioned whether the senator was a suitable occupant for the Oval Office. Only a few of McCain's Senate colleagues endorsed him then.

But the past few years have seen fewer McCain outbursts, prompting some senators and aides to suggest privately that he is working to control his temper. This time, 13 senators have endorsed his presidential bid, more than for any other candidate, Democrat or Republican.

"We all get a little bit mellower," Salter said. "But he doesn't get up every morning saying, 'I must control my temper.' "

Last spring, however, McCain's confrontational side reappeared during a closed-door meeting of senators from both parties. After spending six weeks away from the Senate, he showed up for final negotiations on a fragile immigration bill, leading Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) to question where he had been. McCain responded by swearing at Cornyn loudly and repeatedly, according to witnesses.

Cornyn, who has not endorsed a presidential candidate, doesn't expect to befriend McCain anytime soon but said he will happily stump for him as the nominee.

"We've had our moments, but we've gotten over that and moved on down the road," Cornyn said. "You're talking about people who are professionals. You don't have to link arms and sing 'Kumbaya' to get things done."

Shayn Smith <mactunesmith@ >SAMVA Monday, February 4, 2008 1:05:18 PMRe: Jupiter and John McCain

Dear David and ,

John McCain

Aug 29, 1936

9:00 am, 5:00 EST

Cocosolo, Panama24:57 Virgo lagna

Warm regards,Shayn

"siha@yournetastrol oger.com" <siha@yournetastrolo ger.com>SAMVA Sunday, February 3, 2008 8:40:53 PMRe: Jupiter and John McCain

Hello dear Mr. Smith, Can you please post birth particulars of Mr. John McCain.

Best wishes.

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David Hawthorne

SAMVA

Monday, February 04, 2008 8:58 AM

RE: Jupiter and John McCain

Dear Shayn:

Good post and observation.

Can you share his birth data?

Thanks.

David Hawthorne

SAMVA [sAMVA] On Behalf Of Shayn SmithSaturday, February 02, 2008 9:40 AMSAMVA Jupiter and John McCain

Dear List,

John McCain is on top as the Republican front-runner for his party's nomination for U.S. President. His entire campaign is taking place during his Jupiter subperiod, so much of his success rides on that planet's strength. Natally, it is debilitated in Navamsha and influences the third house of initiatives, courage, and communication. This aspect explains his drive to become President, his status as a war hero, and his campaign theme of "Straight Talk Express." Jupiter's rulership of his 4th house allows him to run on his character.

Transiting Jupiter in Scorpio entered old age in mid-March, 2007. A month later, newspapers announced his campaign was in financial trouble as he cut positions from his campaign staff. Jupiter retrograded back into health and his campaign again picked up steam. The beginning of November, however, saw Jupiter once again weak as it transited into old age and then infancy until mid-Decmber. During this time, McCain took out a $3 million loan to turn his campaign around. After transiting Jupiter gained strength, so did his campaign.

Transiting Jupiter in Sagittarius goes into old age in late March and will be afflicted by the transiting MMP Mars in mid-April. By May, the transiting nodes will begin influencing his odd-numbered houses. By June, transiting Ketu will affect his natal Jupiter. By the end of June, transiting Jupiter will regain strength, but the impact of the transiting nodes will remain through the convention and the elections. This could be a difficult time for him and his campaign.

Warm regards,Shayn

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February 4, 2008

Dear and list members,

Thank you for the clear assessment, dear , with which I agree.

As for the outcome today, while Romney has less transit afflictions, McCain has the better natal promise, a more helpful sub-period lord and its influence today is more advantageous.

Best wishes,

Thor

"siha" <sihaSAMVA Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 4:28:43 AM Re: Mr. John McCain & Mr. Mitt Romney