Guest guest Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 My Dear Professor, So in the case of the office worker, who has 6L aspecting 3L, and 3L in its own sign, this is a double whammy. How can one tell in this chart if she will be a repeat offender, and when? 7:58am Fairfield IA Feb 5th 1972 6:42 Aquarius asc Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:02:58 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello Lila, The sub periods of the Moon and Mars or transit stationary influence of nodes on these planets can cause recurrence. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:31 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, So in the case of the office worker, who has 6L aspecting 3L, and 3L in its own sign, this is a double whammy. How can one tell in this chart if she will be a repeat offender, and when? 7:58am Fairfield IA Feb 5th 1972 6:42 Aquarius asc Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:02:58 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Dear , Thank you for the valued insights. I have one question related to this. For the following ascendants there is no MT sign in the 3rd house: Aries (Gemini in 3rd house) Virgo (Scorpio...) Scorpio (Capricorn...) Capricorn (Pisces...) Pisces (Taurus...) What planet(s) could be considerd indicator of 'taking action' for these ascendants? Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry Saturday, June 7, 2008 4:02:58 AM Re: victim or perpetrator Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 My Dear Professor, Would you please tell me what is likely to happen when: 1) Transit RA/KE goes stationery over her both her Natal ME and RA in the 12th Jan-Apr of 2009? 2) SA goes into her 8th for the entire time she is in SA/SA 2011 and 2012. Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 3:20:03 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, The sub periods of the Moon and Mars or transit stationary influence of nodes on these planets can cause recurrence. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:31 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, So in the case of the office worker, who has 6L aspecting 3L, and 3L in its own sign, this is a double whammy. How can one tell in this chart if she will be a repeat offender, and when? 7:58am Fairfield IA Feb 5th 1972 6:42 Aquarius asc Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:02:58 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello my dear Thor, Besides the third house, the other houses of action are the ascendant and the tenth house. Best wishes. - Cosmologer Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:23 PM Re: victim or perpetrator Dear , Thank you for the valued insights. I have one question related to this. For the following ascendants there is no MT sign in the 3rd house: Aries (Gemini in 3rd house) Virgo (Scorpio...) Scorpio (Capricorn...) Capricorn (Pisces...) Pisces (Taurus...) What planet(s) could be considerd indicator of 'taking action' for these ascendants? Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry Saturday, June 7, 2008 4:02:58 AM Re: victim or perpetrator Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello Lila, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:34 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please tell me what is likely to happen when: 1) Transit RA/KE goes stationery over her both her Natal ME and RA in the 12th Jan-Apr of 2009? THREATENS LIFE & GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. 2) SA goes into her 8th for the entire time she is in SA/SA 2011 and 2012. GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 3:20:03 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, The sub periods of the Moon and Mars or transit stationary influence of nodes on these planets can cause recurrence. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:31 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, So in the case of the office worker, who has 6L aspecting 3L, and 3L in its own sign, this is a double whammy. How can one tell in this chart if she will be a repeat offender, and when? 7:58am Fairfield IA Feb 5th 1972 6:42 Aquarius asc Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:02:58 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 My dear , Thank you for the information. In this case, the indicators of 'action' are then as follows for the following ascendants with non-MT signs in the 3rd house: Aries: 1st lord MARS Virgo: 1st lord MERCURY Scorpio: 10th lord SUN Capricorn: 10th lord VENUS Pisces: 10th lord JUPITER For the other ascendants, some also have MT signs in 1st or 10th houses. Would these ascendants have the houses indicated as additional or secondary indicators of action? In this case, Taurus: 10th lord SATURN (3rd lord being MOON) Cancer: 10th lord MARS (3rd lord being MERCURY) Leo: 1st lord SUN (3rd lord being VENUS) Libra: 1st lord VENUS and 10th lord MOON (3rd lord being JUPITER) Sagittarius: 1st lord JUPITER and 10th lord MERCURY (3rd lord being SATURN) Aquarius: 1st lord SATURN (3rd lord being MARS) In this case, would ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three such indicators, tend to be more entrepreneurial or action oriented by nature? Best wishes, Thor , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > Besides the third house, the other houses of action are the ascendant and the tenth house. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > Cosmologer > > Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:23 PM > Re: victim or perpetrator > > > Dear , > Thank you for the valued insights. > I have one question related to this. > For the following ascendants there is no MT sign in the 3rd house: > Aries (Gemini in 3rd house) > Virgo (Scorpio...) > Scorpio (Capricorn...) > Capricorn (Pisces...) > Pisces (Taurus...) > > What planet(s) could be considerd indicator of 'taking action' for these ascendants? > Best wishes, > Thor > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Saturday, June 7, 2008 4:02:58 AM > Re: victim or perpetrator > > Yes, Lila. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > lila > > Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM > Re: victim or perpetrator > > My Dear Professor, > > Would you please comment on my deductions below? > > 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the > third house, then one can become a perp? > > 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming > is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? > > Thank you. > > Lila > > ==============Original message text=============== > On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: > > Hello Lila, > > When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when > the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with > Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > lila > > Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM > victim or perpetrator > > My Dear Professor, > > We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, > violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or > perpetrator? > > Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This > January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed > theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we > know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? > > The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence > configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim > or a perp? > > Thank you. > > Lila > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello dear Thor, All three the asdt, third and tenth houses are the houses of action. The ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three such indicators, are more entrepreneurial or action oriented by nature. Best wishes. - cosmologer Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:08 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My dear , Thank you for the information. In this case, the indicators of 'action' are then as follows for the following ascendants with non-MT signs in the 3rd house: Aries: 1st lord MARS Virgo: 1st lord MERCURY Scorpio: 10th lord SUN Capricorn: 10th lord VENUS Pisces: 10th lord JUPITER For the other ascendants, some also have MT signs in 1st or 10th houses. Would these ascendants have the houses indicated as additional or secondary indicators of action? In this case, Taurus: 10th lord SATURN (3rd lord being MOON) Cancer: 10th lord MARS (3rd lord being MERCURY) Leo: 1st lord SUN (3rd lord being VENUS) Libra: 1st lord VENUS and 10th lord MOON (3rd lord being JUPITER) Sagittarius: 1st lord JUPITER and 10th lord MERCURY (3rd lord being SATURN) Aquarius: 1st lord SATURN (3rd lord being MARS) In this case, would ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three such indicators, tend to be more entrepreneurial or action oriented by nature? Best wishes, Thor , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > Besides the third house, the other houses of action are the ascendant and the tenth house. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > Cosmologer > > Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:23 PM > Re: victim or perpetrator > > > Dear , > Thank you for the valued insights. > I have one question related to this. > For the following ascendants there is no MT sign in the 3rd house: > Aries (Gemini in 3rd house) > Virgo (Scorpio...) > Scorpio (Capricorn...) > Capricorn (Pisces...) > Pisces (Taurus...) > > What planet(s) could be considerd indicator of 'taking action' for these ascendants? > Best wishes, > Thor > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Saturday, June 7, 2008 4:02:58 AM > Re: victim or perpetrator > > Yes, Lila. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > lila > > Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM > Re: victim or perpetrator > > My Dear Professor, > > Would you please comment on my deductions below? > > 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the > third house, then one can become a perp? > > 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming > is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? > > Thank you. > > Lila > > ==============Original message text=============== > On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: > > Hello Lila, > > When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when > the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with > Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > lila > > Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM > victim or perpetrator > > My Dear Professor, > > We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, > violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or > perpetrator? > > Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This > January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed > theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we > know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? > > The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence > configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim > or a perp? > > Thank you. > > Lila > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Dear , Thanks for the confirmation. Indeed, such insights are very valuable for the easier recognition of different ascendants. You have adequately explained this in your description of different ascendants. For the sake of making such insight useful for cross- comparisons, could we not say that the planet(s) involved also affect the outcome? Let us consider the case of Aries. Here the planet MARS, as 1st lord, becomes the sole indicator of 'action'. This sign, however, has a reputation for being action oriented. By comparison, the signs Taurus and Sagittarius have the planet SATURN as also indicative of their action, suggesting an element of guardedness or deliberation to their action. In other words, we can also keep in mind that the nature of the planets involved would have a bearing on how the action manifests for a given ascendant. Stepping out on a limb, perhaps we could thus suggest the following charactersistic of action for each sign: 1. Aries (MARS as 1st lord): enterprising and courageous physical action involving the self/body (entrepreneurial self) 2. Taurus (MOON as 3rd lord and SATURN as 10th lord): action with an eye to the public interest and guarded or steady action in public) 3. Gemini (SUN as 3rd lord): action with authority 4. Cancer (MERCURY as 3rd lord and 10th lord MARS): communicative/analytic action and enterprising career 5. Leo (VENUS as 3rd lord and SUN as 1st lord): knowledgeable action and authorative action involving the self/body 6. Virgo (MERCURY as 1st lord): communicative/analytical action involving the self/body. 7. Libra (JUPITER as 3rd lord, VENUS as 1st lord and MOON as 10th lord): expansive action, knowledgeable action involving self/body and public relations oriented action in career) 8. Scorpio (SUN as 10th lord): authorative action in career 9. Sagittarius (SATURN as 3rd lord, JUPITER as 1st lord and MERCURY as 10th lord): guarded or slow action, expansive action involving self/body and communicative action in career 10. Capricorn (VENUS as 10th lord): knowledgeable action in career 11. Aquarius (MARS as 3rd lord, SATURN as 1st lord): enetrprising or couragoues action, guarded or slow action involving self/body. 12. Pisces (JUPITER as 10th lord): expansive action in career Thanks for your guidance in clarifying such insights. Best wishes, Thor , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello dear Thor, > > All three the asdt, third and tenth houses are the houses of action. > > The ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three > such indicators, are more entrepreneurial or action oriented by nature. > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > cosmologer > > Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:08 PM > Re: victim or perpetrator > > > My dear , > > Thank you for the information. > > In this case, the indicators of 'action' are then as follows for the > following ascendants with non-MT signs in the 3rd house: > > Aries: 1st lord MARS > Virgo: 1st lord MERCURY > Scorpio: 10th lord SUN > Capricorn: 10th lord VENUS > Pisces: 10th lord JUPITER > > For the other ascendants, some also have MT signs in 1st or 10th > houses. Would these ascendants have the houses indicated as > additional or secondary indicators of action? In this case, > > Taurus: 10th lord SATURN (3rd lord being MOON) > Cancer: 10th lord MARS (3rd lord being MERCURY) > Leo: 1st lord SUN (3rd lord being VENUS) > Libra: 1st lord VENUS and 10th lord MOON (3rd lord being JUPITER) > Sagittarius: 1st lord JUPITER and 10th lord MERCURY (3rd lord being > SATURN) > Aquarius: 1st lord SATURN (3rd lord being MARS) > > In this case, would ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three > such indicators, tend to be more entrepreneurial or action oriented > by nature? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > Besides the third house, the other houses of action are the > ascendant and the tenth house. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Cosmologer > > > > Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:23 PM > > Re: victim or perpetrator > > > > > > Dear , > > Thank you for the valued insights. > > I have one question related to this. > > For the following ascendants there is no MT sign in the 3rd house: > > Aries (Gemini in 3rd house) > > Virgo (Scorpio...) > > Scorpio (Capricorn...) > > Capricorn (Pisces...) > > Pisces (Taurus...) > > > > What planet(s) could be considerd indicator of 'taking action' > for these ascendants? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry@> > > > > Saturday, June 7, 2008 4:02:58 AM > > Re: victim or perpetrator > > > > Yes, Lila. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > - > > lila@ > > > > Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM > > Re: victim or perpetrator > > > > My Dear Professor, > > > > Would you please comment on my deductions below? > > > > 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the > lord of the > > third house, then one can become a perp? > > > > 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I > am assuming > > is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Lila > > > > ==============Original message text=============== > > On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: > > > > Hello Lila, > > > > When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim > and when > > the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in > conjunction with > > Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > - > > lila@ > > > > Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM > > victim or perpetrator > > > > My Dear Professor, > > > > We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, > theft, > > violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is > victim or > > perpetrator? > > > > Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by > deception. This > > January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who > committed > > theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, > how do we > > know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the > other way around? > > > > The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or > violence > > configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be > a victim > > or a perp? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Lila > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Respected & nbsp;Prof Vkc ji, When lord of h6 is placed in h12, one becomes victim, & nbsp;a) Now if lord of h6 is close to mep of h12, then it is exactly conjunt with h12, but at same time it is aspecting h6 mep its own house. b) If lord of h6 placed in h12 is away from mep. Now out of these two cases are concequences of victimization & nbsp; more grave in & nbsp; (a) or not. Thanks a lot. Ajay. --- On Sat, 6/7/08, cosmologer & lt;cosmologer & gt; wrote: cosmologer & lt;cosmologer & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator Saturday, June 7, 2008, 5:24 AM Dear , Thanks for the confirmation. Indeed, such insights are very valuable for the easier recognition of different ascendants. You have adequately explained this in your description of different ascendants. For the sake of making such insight useful for cross- comparisons, could we not say that the planet(s) involved also affect the outcome? Let us consider the case of Aries. Here the planet MARS, as 1st lord, becomes the sole indicator of 'action'. This sign, however, has a reputation for being action oriented. By comparison, the signs Taurus and Sagittarius have the planet SATURN as also indicative of their action, suggesting an element of guardedness or deliberation to their action. In other words, we can also keep in mind that the nature of the planets involved would have a bearing on how the action manifests for a given ascendant. Stepping out on a limb, perhaps we could thus suggest the following charactersistic of action for each sign: 1. Aries (MARS as 1st lord): enterprising and courageous physical action involving the self/body (entrepreneurial self) 2. Taurus (MOON as 3rd lord and SATURN as 10th lord): action with an eye to the public interest and guarded or steady action in public) 3. Gemini (SUN as 3rd lord): action with authority 4. Cancer (MERCURY as 3rd lord and 10th lord MARS): communicative/ analytic action and enterprising career 5. Leo (VENUS as 3rd lord and SUN as 1st lord): knowledgeable action and authorative action involving the self/body 6. Virgo (MERCURY as 1st lord): communicative/ analytical action involving the self/body. 7. Libra (JUPITER as 3rd lord, VENUS as 1st lord and MOON as 10th lord): expansive action, knowledgeable action involving self/body and public relations oriented action in career) 8. Scorpio (SUN as 10th lord): authorative action in career 9. Sagittarius (SATURN as 3rd lord, JUPITER as 1st lord and MERCURY as 10th lord): guarded or slow action, expansive action involving self/body and communicative action in career 10. Capricorn (VENUS as 10th lord): knowledgeable action in career 11. Aquarius (MARS as 3rd lord, SATURN as 1st lord): enetrprising or couragoues action, guarded or slow action involving self/body. 12. Pisces (JUPITER as 10th lord): expansive action in career Thanks for your guidance in clarifying such insights. Best wishes, Thor @ s.com, " SIHA " & lt;vkchoudhry@ ... & gt; wrote: & gt; & gt; Hello dear Thor, & gt; & gt; All three the asdt, third and tenth houses are the houses of action. & gt; & gt; The ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three & gt; such indicators, are more entrepreneurial or action oriented by nature. & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; cosmologer & gt; @ s.com & gt; Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:08 PM & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; My dear , & gt; & gt; Thank you for the information. & gt; & gt; In this case, the indicators of 'action' are then as follows for the & gt; following ascendants with non-MT signs in the 3rd house: & gt; & gt; Aries: 1st lord MARS & gt; Virgo: 1st lord MERCURY & gt; Scorpio: 10th lord SUN & gt; Capricorn: 10th lord VENUS & gt; Pisces: 10th lord JUPITER & gt; & gt; For the other ascendants, some also have MT signs in 1st or 10th & gt; houses. Would these ascendants have the houses indicated as & gt; additional or secondary indicators of action? In this case, & gt; & gt; Taurus: 10th lord SATURN (3rd lord being MOON) & gt; Cancer: 10th lord MARS (3rd lord being MERCURY) & gt; Leo: 1st lord SUN (3rd lord being VENUS) & gt; Libra: 1st lord VENUS and 10th lord MOON (3rd lord being JUPITER) & gt; Sagittarius: 1st lord JUPITER and 10th lord MERCURY (3rd lord being & gt; SATURN) & gt; Aquarius: 1st lord SATURN (3rd lord being MARS) & gt; & gt; In this case, would ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three & gt; such indicators, tend to be more entrepreneurial or action oriented & gt; by nature? & gt; & gt; Best wishes, & gt; & gt; Thor & gt; @ s.com, " SIHA " & lt;vkchoudhry@ & gt; wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Hello my dear Thor, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Besides the third house, the other houses of action are the & gt; ascendant and the tenth house. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; & gt; Cosmologer & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:23 PM & gt; & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Dear , & gt; & gt; Thank you for the valued insights. & gt; & gt; I have one question related to this. & gt; & gt; For the following ascendants there is no MT sign in the 3rd house: & gt; & gt; Aries (Gemini in 3rd house) & gt; & gt; Virgo (Scorpio...) & gt; & gt; Scorpio (Capricorn.. .) & gt; & gt; Capricorn (Pisces...) & gt; & gt; Pisces (Taurus...) & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; What planet(s) could be considerd indicator of 'taking action' & gt; for these ascendants? & gt; & gt; Best wishes, & gt; & gt; Thor & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; SIHA & lt;vkchoudhry@ & gt; & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Saturday, June 7, 2008 4:02:58 AM & gt; & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Yes, Lila. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; & gt; lila@ & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM & gt; & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; My Dear Professor, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Would you please comment on my deductions below? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the & gt; lord of the & gt; & gt; third house, then one can become a perp? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I & gt; am assuming & gt; & gt; is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thank you. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Lila & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ============ ==Original message text======== ======= & gt; & gt; On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Hello Lila, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim & gt; and when & gt; & gt; the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in & gt; conjunction with & gt; & gt; Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; & gt; lila@ & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM & gt; & gt; victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; My Dear Professor, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, & gt; theft, & gt; & gt; violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is & gt; victim or & gt; & gt; perpetrator? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by & gt; deception. This & gt; & gt; January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who & gt; committed & gt; & gt; theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, & gt; how do we & gt; & gt; know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the & gt; other way around? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or & gt; violence & gt; & gt; configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be & gt; a victim & gt; & gt; or a perp? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thank you. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Lila & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 This whole thing happened in JU/RA and RA bothers up ME natally in the chart. So I was thinking that there may be a repeat offense when Transit RA joins natal RA and they both bother up natal ME Jan 2009. Am I incorrect in my assumption? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 6:24:30 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:34 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please tell me what is likely to happen when: 1) Transit RA/KE goes stationery over her both her Natal ME and RA in the 12th Jan-Apr of 2009? THREATENS LIFE & GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. 2) SA goes into her 8th for the entire time she is in SA/SA 2011 and 2012. GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 3:20:03 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, The sub periods of the Moon and Mars or transit stationary influence of nodes on these planets can cause recurrence. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:31 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, So in the case of the office worker, who has 6L aspecting 3L, and 3L in its own sign, this is a double whammy. How can one tell in this chart if she will be a repeat offender, and when? 7:58am Fairfield IA Feb 5th 1972 6:42 Aquarius asc Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:02:58 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello my dear Thor, Yes, the planets also have a say. The charactersistic of action for various ascendants brought out by you are generally OK. Best wishes. - cosmologer Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:54 PM Re: victim or perpetrator Dear , Thanks for the confirmation. Indeed, such insights are very valuable for the easier recognition of different ascendants. You have adequately explained this in your description of different ascendants. For the sake of making such insight useful for cross- comparisons, could we not say that the planet(s) involved also affect the outcome? Let us consider the case of Aries. Here the planet MARS, as 1st lord, becomes the sole indicator of 'action'. This sign, however, has a reputation for being action oriented. By comparison, the signs Taurus and Sagittarius have the planet SATURN as also indicative of their action, suggesting an element of guardedness or deliberation to their action. In other words, we can also keep in mind that the nature of the planets involved would have a bearing on how the action manifests for a given ascendant. Stepping out on a limb, perhaps we could thus suggest the following charactersistic of action for each sign: 1. Aries (MARS as 1st lord): enterprising and courageous physical action involving the self/body (entrepreneurial self) 2. Taurus (MOON as 3rd lord and SATURN as 10th lord): action with an eye to the public interest and guarded or steady action in public) 3. Gemini (SUN as 3rd lord): action with authority 4. Cancer (MERCURY as 3rd lord and 10th lord MARS): communicative/analytic action and enterprising career 5. Leo (VENUS as 3rd lord and SUN as 1st lord): knowledgeable action and authorative action involving the self/body 6. Virgo (MERCURY as 1st lord): communicative/analytical action involving the self/body. 7. Libra (JUPITER as 3rd lord, VENUS as 1st lord and MOON as 10th lord): expansive action, knowledgeable action involving self/body and public relations oriented action in career) 8. Scorpio (SUN as 10th lord): authorative action in career 9. Sagittarius (SATURN as 3rd lord, JUPITER as 1st lord and MERCURY as 10th lord): guarded or slow action, expansive action involving self/body and communicative action in career 10. Capricorn (VENUS as 10th lord): knowledgeable action in career 11. Aquarius (MARS as 3rd lord, SATURN as 1st lord): enetrprising or couragoues action, guarded or slow action involving self/body. 12. Pisces (JUPITER as 10th lord): expansive action in career Thanks for your guidance in clarifying such insights. Best wishes, Thor , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello dear Thor, > > All three the asdt, third and tenth houses are the houses of action. > > The ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three > such indicators, are more entrepreneurial or action oriented by nature. > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > cosmologer > > Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:08 PM > Re: victim or perpetrator > > > My dear , > > Thank you for the information. > > In this case, the indicators of 'action' are then as follows for the > following ascendants with non-MT signs in the 3rd house: > > Aries: 1st lord MARS > Virgo: 1st lord MERCURY > Scorpio: 10th lord SUN > Capricorn: 10th lord VENUS > Pisces: 10th lord JUPITER > > For the other ascendants, some also have MT signs in 1st or 10th > houses. Would these ascendants have the houses indicated as > additional or secondary indicators of action? In this case, > > Taurus: 10th lord SATURN (3rd lord being MOON) > Cancer: 10th lord MARS (3rd lord being MERCURY) > Leo: 1st lord SUN (3rd lord being VENUS) > Libra: 1st lord VENUS and 10th lord MOON (3rd lord being JUPITER) > Sagittarius: 1st lord JUPITER and 10th lord MERCURY (3rd lord being > SATURN) > Aquarius: 1st lord SATURN (3rd lord being MARS) > > In this case, would ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three > such indicators, tend to be more entrepreneurial or action oriented > by nature? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > Besides the third house, the other houses of action are the > ascendant and the tenth house. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Cosmologer > > > > Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:23 PM > > Re: victim or perpetrator > > > > > > Dear , > > Thank you for the valued insights. > > I have one question related to this. > > For the following ascendants there is no MT sign in the 3rd house: > > Aries (Gemini in 3rd house) > > Virgo (Scorpio...) > > Scorpio (Capricorn...) > > Capricorn (Pisces...) > > Pisces (Taurus...) > > > > What planet(s) could be considerd indicator of 'taking action' > for these ascendants? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry@> > > > > Saturday, June 7, 2008 4:02:58 AM > > Re: victim or perpetrator > > > > Yes, Lila. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > - > > lila@ > > > > Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM > > Re: victim or perpetrator > > > > My Dear Professor, > > > > Would you please comment on my deductions below? > > > > 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the > lord of the > > third house, then one can become a perp? > > > > 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I > am assuming > > is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Lila > > > > ==============Original message text=============== > > On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: > > > > Hello Lila, > > > > When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim > and when > > the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in > conjunction with > > Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > - > > lila@ > > > > Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM > > victim or perpetrator > > > > My Dear Professor, > > > > We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, > theft, > > violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is > victim or > > perpetrator? > > > > Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by > deception. This > > January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who > committed > > theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, > how do we > > know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the > other way around? > > > > The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or > violence > > configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be > a victim > > or a perp? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Lila > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello Ajay, More grave in (a). Best wishes. - ajay sehg Saturday, June 07, 2008 6:40 PM Re: Re: victim or perpetrator Respected & nbsp;Prof Vkc ji, When lord of h6 is placed in h12, one becomes victim, & nbsp;a) Now if lord of h6 is close to mep of h12, then it is exactly conjunt with h12, but at same time it is aspecting h6 mep its own house. b) If lord of h6 placed in h12 is away from mep. Now out of these two cases are concequences of victimization & nbsp; more grave in & nbsp; (a) or not. Thanks a lot. Ajay. --- On Sat, 6/7/08, cosmologer & lt;cosmologer & gt; wrote: cosmologer & lt;cosmologer & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator Saturday, June 7, 2008, 5:24 AM Dear , Thanks for the confirmation. Indeed, such insights are very valuable for the easier recognition of different ascendants. You have adequately explained this in your description of different ascendants. For the sake of making such insight useful for cross- comparisons, could we not say that the planet(s) involved also affect the outcome? Let us consider the case of Aries. Here the planet MARS, as 1st lord, becomes the sole indicator of 'action'. This sign, however, has a reputation for being action oriented. By comparison, the signs Taurus and Sagittarius have the planet SATURN as also indicative of their action, suggesting an element of guardedness or deliberation to their action. In other words, we can also keep in mind that the nature of the planets involved would have a bearing on how the action manifests for a given ascendant. Stepping out on a limb, perhaps we could thus suggest the following charactersistic of action for each sign: 1. Aries (MARS as 1st lord): enterprising and courageous physical action involving the self/body (entrepreneurial self) 2. Taurus (MOON as 3rd lord and SATURN as 10th lord): action with an eye to the public interest and guarded or steady action in public) 3. Gemini (SUN as 3rd lord): action with authority 4. Cancer (MERCURY as 3rd lord and 10th lord MARS): communicative/ analytic action and enterprising career 5. Leo (VENUS as 3rd lord and SUN as 1st lord): knowledgeable action and authorative action involving the self/body 6. Virgo (MERCURY as 1st lord): communicative/ analytical action involving the self/body. 7. Libra (JUPITER as 3rd lord, VENUS as 1st lord and MOON as 10th lord): expansive action, knowledgeable action involving self/body and public relations oriented action in career) 8. Scorpio (SUN as 10th lord): authorative action in career 9. Sagittarius (SATURN as 3rd lord, JUPITER as 1st lord and MERCURY as 10th lord): guarded or slow action, expansive action involving self/body and communicative action in career 10. Capricorn (VENUS as 10th lord): knowledgeable action in career 11. Aquarius (MARS as 3rd lord, SATURN as 1st lord): enetrprising or couragoues action, guarded or slow action involving self/body. 12. Pisces (JUPITER as 10th lord): expansive action in career Thanks for your guidance in clarifying such insights. Best wishes, Thor @ s.com, " SIHA " & lt;vkchoudhry@ ... & gt; wrote: & gt; & gt; Hello dear Thor, & gt; & gt; All three the asdt, third and tenth houses are the houses of action. & gt; & gt; The ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three & gt; such indicators, are more entrepreneurial or action oriented by nature. & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; cosmologer & gt; @ s.com & gt; Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:08 PM & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; My dear , & gt; & gt; Thank you for the information. & gt; & gt; In this case, the indicators of 'action' are then as follows for the & gt; following ascendants with non-MT signs in the 3rd house: & gt; & gt; Aries: 1st lord MARS & gt; Virgo: 1st lord MERCURY & gt; Scorpio: 10th lord SUN & gt; Capricorn: 10th lord VENUS & gt; Pisces: 10th lord JUPITER & gt; & gt; For the other ascendants, some also have MT signs in 1st or 10th & gt; houses. Would these ascendants have the houses indicated as & gt; additional or secondary indicators of action? In this case, & gt; & gt; Taurus: 10th lord SATURN (3rd lord being MOON) & gt; Cancer: 10th lord MARS (3rd lord being MERCURY) & gt; Leo: 1st lord SUN (3rd lord being VENUS) & gt; Libra: 1st lord VENUS and 10th lord MOON (3rd lord being JUPITER) & gt; Sagittarius: 1st lord JUPITER and 10th lord MERCURY (3rd lord being & gt; SATURN) & gt; Aquarius: 1st lord SATURN (3rd lord being MARS) & gt; & gt; In this case, would ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three & gt; such indicators, tend to be more entrepreneurial or action oriented & gt; by nature? & gt; & gt; Best wishes, & gt; & gt; Thor & gt; @ s.com, " SIHA " & lt;vkchoudhry@ & gt; wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Hello my dear Thor, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Besides the third house, the other houses of action are the & gt; ascendant and the tenth house. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; & gt; Cosmologer & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:23 PM & gt; & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Dear , & gt; & gt; Thank you for the valued insights. & gt; & gt; I have one question related to this. & gt; & gt; For the following ascendants there is no MT sign in the 3rd house: & gt; & gt; Aries (Gemini in 3rd house) & gt; & gt; Virgo (Scorpio...) & gt; & gt; Scorpio (Capricorn.. .) & gt; & gt; Capricorn (Pisces...) & gt; & gt; Pisces (Taurus...) & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; What planet(s) could be considerd indicator of 'taking action' & gt; for these ascendants? & gt; & gt; Best wishes, & gt; & gt; Thor & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; SIHA & lt;vkchoudhry@ & gt; & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Saturday, June 7, 2008 4:02:58 AM & gt; & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Yes, Lila. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; & gt; lila@ & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM & gt; & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; My Dear Professor, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Would you please comment on my deductions below? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the & gt; lord of the & gt; & gt; third house, then one can become a perp? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I & gt; am assuming & gt; & gt; is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thank you. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Lila & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ============ ==Original message text======== ======= & gt; & gt; On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Hello Lila, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim & gt; and when & gt; & gt; the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in & gt; conjunction with & gt; & gt; Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; & gt; lila@ & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM & gt; & gt; victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; My Dear Professor, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, & gt; theft, & gt; & gt; violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is & gt; victim or & gt; & gt; perpetrator? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by & gt; deception. This & gt; & gt; January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who & gt; committed & gt; & gt; theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, & gt; how do we & gt; & gt; know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the & gt; other way around? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or & gt; violence & gt; & gt; configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be & gt; a victim & gt; & gt; or a perp? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thank you. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Lila & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello Lila, You are not wrong - there can be a possibility. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:18 PM Re: victim or perpetrator This whole thing happened in JU/RA and RA bothers up ME natally in the chart. So I was thinking that there may be a repeat offense when Transit RA joins natal RA and they both bother up natal ME Jan 2009. Am I incorrect in my assumption? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 6:24:30 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:34 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please tell me what is likely to happen when: 1) Transit RA/KE goes stationery over her both her Natal ME and RA in the 12th Jan-Apr of 2009? THREATENS LIFE & GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. 2) SA goes into her 8th for the entire time she is in SA/SA 2011 and 2012. GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 3:20:03 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, The sub periods of the Moon and Mars or transit stationary influence of nodes on these planets can cause recurrence. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:31 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, So in the case of the office worker, who has 6L aspecting 3L, and 3L in its own sign, this is a double whammy. How can one tell in this chart if she will be a repeat offender, and when? 7:58am Fairfield IA Feb 5th 1972 6:42 Aquarius asc Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:02:58 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 My Dear Professor, Thank you. Because there was no RA interacting with MEPs of action houses, or Mars or Moon during the months of the enormous, and ongoing thefts. (Sept 2006 end of Jan 2007) what, in your learned opinion, was the astrological instigator of the beginning of this Sept 2006 - Jan 2007 episode of theivery in her life? Thank you. This has been most insightful. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:16:47 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, You are not wrong - there can be a possibility. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:18 PM Re: victim or perpetrator This whole thing happened in JU/RA and RA bothers up ME natally in the chart. So I was thinking that there may be a repeat offense when Transit RA joins natal RA and they both bother up natal ME Jan 2009. Am I incorrect in my assumption? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 6:24:30 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:34 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please tell me what is likely to happen when: 1) Transit RA/KE goes stationery over her both her Natal ME and RA in the 12th Jan-Apr of 2009? THREATENS LIFE & GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. 2) SA goes into her 8th for the entire time she is in SA/SA 2011 and 2012. GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 3:20:03 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, The sub periods of the Moon and Mars or transit stationary influence of nodes on these planets can cause recurrence. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:31 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, So in the case of the office worker, who has 6L aspecting 3L, and 3L in its own sign, this is a double whammy. How can one tell in this chart if she will be a repeat offender, and when? 7:58am Fairfield IA Feb 5th 1972 6:42 Aquarius asc Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:02:58 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Dear Guruji and learned astrologers, sadar pranam.. to supplement the excellent analysis by Thor, I also wish to refer to Book 1 of Self Learning Course in Astrology (page 34) where the following is given about Fire, Earth, Air and Water signs:- -------- HOW TO ANALYSE CHARACTERISTICS more planets in:- Fire signs - makes a person energetic and agile Earth sign - makes a pleasure seeker/ materialistic Air sign & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; - makes a thinker, creative, spiritual Water sign - makes a ease lover/ worldly attachments ------ I have seen that the more planets a person has:- * in Fire signs, the more they are inclined to make good military commanders / aggressive/ dynamic CEO's and so on............... * in Earth signs - as it is mentioned : more inclined to be pleasure seekers * Air signs - good communicators and * water signs - sentimental neurotics..... --- In fact, this analysis is so accurate, at times it even overrides the properties of the Ascendant. I am also following a thread regarding functional nature of planets in these signs for eg: if more malefic planets are in Fire signs, they would be more inclined to criminal aggression than positive action, but I don't have enough samples at the moment....... thank you, Ashutosh & nbsp;--- On Sat, 6/7/08, SIHA & lt;vkchoudhry & gt; wrote: SIHA & lt;vkchoudhry & gt; Re: Re: victim or perpetrator Saturday, June 7, 2008, 9:42 PM Hello my dear Thor, Yes, the planets also have a say. The charactersistic of action for various ascendants brought out by you are generally OK. Best wishes. - cosmologer @ s.com Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:54 PM Re: victim or perpetrator Dear , Thanks for the confirmation. Indeed, such insights are very valuable for the easier recognition of different ascendants. You have adequately explained this in your description of different ascendants. For the sake of making such insight useful for cross- comparisons, could we not say that the planet(s) involved also affect the outcome? Let us consider the case of Aries. Here the planet MARS, as 1st lord, becomes the sole indicator of 'action'. This sign, however, has a reputation for being action oriented. By comparison, the signs Taurus and Sagittarius have the planet SATURN as also indicative of their action, suggesting an element of guardedness or deliberation to their action. In other words, we can also keep in mind that the nature of the planets involved would have a bearing on how the action manifests for a given ascendant. Stepping out on a limb, perhaps we could thus suggest the following charactersistic of action for each sign: 1. Aries (MARS as 1st lord): enterprising and courageous physical action involving the self/body (entrepreneurial self) 2. Taurus (MOON as 3rd lord and SATURN as 10th lord): action with an eye to the public interest and guarded or steady action in public) 3. Gemini (SUN as 3rd lord): action with authority 4. Cancer (MERCURY as 3rd lord and 10th lord MARS): communicative/ analytic action and enterprising career 5. Leo (VENUS as 3rd lord and SUN as 1st lord): knowledgeable action and authorative action involving the self/body 6. Virgo (MERCURY as 1st lord): communicative/ analytical action involving the self/body. 7. Libra (JUPITER as 3rd lord, VENUS as 1st lord and MOON as 10th lord): expansive action, knowledgeable action involving self/body and public relations oriented action in career) 8. Scorpio (SUN as 10th lord): authorative action in career 9. Sagittarius (SATURN as 3rd lord, JUPITER as 1st lord and MERCURY as 10th lord): guarded or slow action, expansive action involving self/body and communicative action in career 10. Capricorn (VENUS as 10th lord): knowledgeable action in career 11. Aquarius (MARS as 3rd lord, SATURN as 1st lord): enetrprising or couragoues action, guarded or slow action involving self/body. 12. Pisces (JUPITER as 10th lord): expansive action in career Thanks for your guidance in clarifying such insights. Best wishes, Thor @ s.com, " SIHA " & lt;vkchoudhry@ ... & gt; wrote: & gt; & gt; Hello dear Thor, & gt; & gt; All three the asdt, third and tenth houses are the houses of action. & gt; & gt; The ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three & gt; such indicators, are more entrepreneurial or action oriented by nature. & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; cosmologer & gt; @ s.com & gt; Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:08 PM & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; My dear , & gt; & gt; Thank you for the information. & gt; & gt; In this case, the indicators of 'action' are then as follows for the & gt; following ascendants with non-MT signs in the 3rd house: & gt; & gt; Aries: 1st lord MARS & gt; Virgo: 1st lord MERCURY & gt; Scorpio: 10th lord SUN & gt; Capricorn: 10th lord VENUS & gt; Pisces: 10th lord JUPITER & gt; & gt; For the other ascendants, some also have MT signs in 1st or 10th & gt; houses. Would these ascendants have the houses indicated as & gt; additional or secondary indicators of action? In this case, & gt; & gt; Taurus: 10th lord SATURN (3rd lord being MOON) & gt; Cancer: 10th lord MARS (3rd lord being MERCURY) & gt; Leo: 1st lord SUN (3rd lord being VENUS) & gt; Libra: 1st lord VENUS and 10th lord MOON (3rd lord being JUPITER) & gt; Sagittarius: 1st lord JUPITER and 10th lord MERCURY (3rd lord being & gt; SATURN) & gt; Aquarius: 1st lord SATURN (3rd lord being MARS) & gt; & gt; In this case, would ascendants like Libra and Sagittarius, with three & gt; such indicators, tend to be more entrepreneurial or action oriented & gt; by nature? & gt; & gt; Best wishes, & gt; & gt; Thor & gt; @ s.com, " SIHA " & lt;vkchoudhry@ & gt; wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Hello my dear Thor, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Besides the third house, the other houses of action are the & gt; ascendant and the tenth house. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; & gt; Cosmologer & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:23 PM & gt; & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Dear , & gt; & gt; Thank you for the valued insights. & gt; & gt; I have one question related to this. & gt; & gt; For the following ascendants there is no MT sign in the 3rd house: & gt; & gt; Aries (Gemini in 3rd house) & gt; & gt; Virgo (Scorpio...) & gt; & gt; Scorpio (Capricorn.. .) & gt; & gt; Capricorn (Pisces...) & gt; & gt; Pisces (Taurus...) & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; What planet(s) could be considerd indicator of 'taking action' & gt; for these ascendants? & gt; & gt; Best wishes, & gt; & gt; Thor & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; SIHA & lt;vkchoudhry@ & gt; & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Saturday, June 7, 2008 4:02:58 AM & gt; & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Yes, Lila. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; & gt; lila@ & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM & gt; & gt; Re: victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; My Dear Professor, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Would you please comment on my deductions below? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the & gt; lord of the & gt; & gt; third house, then one can become a perp? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I & gt; am assuming & gt; & gt; is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thank you. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Lila & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ============ ==Original message text======== ======= & gt; & gt; On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Hello Lila, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim & gt; and when & gt; & gt; the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in & gt; conjunction with & gt; & gt; Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Best wishes. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; & gt; lila@ & gt; & gt; @ s.com & gt; & gt; Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM & gt; & gt; victim or perpetrator & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; My Dear Professor, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, & gt; theft, & gt; & gt; violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is & gt; victim or & gt; & gt; perpetrator? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by & gt; deception. This & gt; & gt; January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who & gt; committed & gt; & gt; theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, & gt; how do we & gt; & gt; know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the & gt; other way around? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or & gt; violence & gt; & gt; configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be & gt; a victim & gt; & gt; or a perp? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thank you. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Lila & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello Lila, The astrological instigator is the natal factor. Transit trigger was in the form of transit Rahu's impact on transit Mars from the beginning of September, 2006. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:58 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Thank you. Because there was no RA interacting with MEPs of action houses, or Mars or Moon during the months of the enormous, and ongoing thefts. (Sept 2006 end of Jan 2007) what, in your learned opinion, was the astrological instigator of the beginning of this Sept 2006 - Jan 2007 episode of theivery in her life? Thank you. This has been most insightful. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:16:47 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, You are not wrong - there can be a possibility. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:18 PM Re: victim or perpetrator This whole thing happened in JU/RA and RA bothers up ME natally in the chart. So I was thinking that there may be a repeat offense when Transit RA joins natal RA and they both bother up natal ME Jan 2009. Am I incorrect in my assumption? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 6:24:30 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:34 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please tell me what is likely to happen when: 1) Transit RA/KE goes stationery over her both her Natal ME and RA in the 12th Jan-Apr of 2009? THREATENS LIFE & GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. 2) SA goes into her 8th for the entire time she is in SA/SA 2011 and 2012. GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 3:20:03 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, The sub periods of the Moon and Mars or transit stationary influence of nodes on these planets can cause recurrence. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:31 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, So in the case of the office worker, who has 6L aspecting 3L, and 3L in its own sign, this is a double whammy. How can one tell in this chart if she will be a repeat offender, and when? 7:58am Fairfield IA Feb 5th 1972 6:42 Aquarius asc Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:02:58 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 My Dear Professor, Oh, I see. So it does not even have to be a stationary influence. Sept 2006 transit Mars and KE were in her 8th house, no less. Well guess what? On June 14th, she's about to have the exact same configuration except on the 6th/12th axis instead. 1) Would this produce the same results? 2) And if not theft, what would it make her inclined/likely to do? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:27:03 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, The astrological instigator is the natal factor. Transit trigger was in the form of transit Rahu's impact on transit Mars from the beginning of September, 2006. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:58 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Thank you. Because there was no RA interacting with MEPs of action houses, or Mars or Moon during the months of the enormous, and ongoing thefts. (Sept 2006 end of Jan 2007) what, in your learned opinion, was the astrological instigator of the beginning of this Sept 2006 - Jan 2007 episode of theivery in her life? Thank you. This has been most insightful. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:16:47 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, You are not wrong - there can be a possibility. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:18 PM Re: victim or perpetrator This whole thing happened in JU/RA and RA bothers up ME natally in the chart. So I was thinking that there may be a repeat offense when Transit RA joins natal RA and they both bother up natal ME Jan 2009. Am I incorrect in my assumption? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 6:24:30 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:34 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please tell me what is likely to happen when: 1) Transit RA/KE goes stationery over her both her Natal ME and RA in the 12th Jan-Apr of 2009? THREATENS LIFE & GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. 2) SA goes into her 8th for the entire time she is in SA/SA 2011 and 2012. GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 3:20:03 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, The sub periods of the Moon and Mars or transit stationary influence of nodes on these planets can cause recurrence. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:31 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, So in the case of the office worker, who has 6L aspecting 3L, and 3L in its own sign, this is a double whammy. How can one tell in this chart if she will be a repeat offender, and when? 7:58am Fairfield IA Feb 5th 1972 6:42 Aquarius asc Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:02:58 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Hello Lila, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:06 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Oh, I see. So it does not even have to be a stationary influence. IF NATAL INFLUENCE IS NOT THERE STATIONARY INFLUENCE CAN CAUSE IT. Sept 2006 transit Mars and KE were in her 8th house, no less. Well guess what? On June 14th, she's about to have the exact same configuration except on the 6th/12th axis instead. 1) Would this produce the same results? RAHU'S INFLUENCE CAUSES SUDDEN AND UNEXPECTED MOVES. 2) And if not theft, what would it make her inclined/likely to do? IT CAN BE ANYTHING LIKE MANIPULATIVE OR HIGHLY RISKY MOVE. Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:27:03 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, The astrological instigator is the natal factor. Transit trigger was in the form of transit Rahu's impact on transit Mars from the beginning of September, 2006. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:58 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Thank you. Because there was no RA interacting with MEPs of action houses, or Mars or Moon during the months of the enormous, and ongoing thefts. (Sept 2006 end of Jan 2007) what, in your learned opinion, was the astrological instigator of the beginning of this Sept 2006 - Jan 2007 episode of theivery in her life? Thank you. This has been most insightful. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:16:47 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, You are not wrong - there can be a possibility. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:18 PM Re: victim or perpetrator This whole thing happened in JU/RA and RA bothers up ME natally in the chart. So I was thinking that there may be a repeat offense when Transit RA joins natal RA and they both bother up natal ME Jan 2009. Am I incorrect in my assumption? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 6:24:30 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:34 PM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please tell me what is likely to happen when: 1) Transit RA/KE goes stationery over her both her Natal ME and RA in the 12th Jan-Apr of 2009? THREATENS LIFE & GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. 2) SA goes into her 8th for the entire time she is in SA/SA 2011 and 2012. GIVES STRONG OBSTRUCTIONS. Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 3:20:03 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, The sub periods of the Moon and Mars or transit stationary influence of nodes on these planets can cause recurrence. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:31 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, So in the case of the office worker, who has 6L aspecting 3L, and 3L in its own sign, this is a double whammy. How can one tell in this chart if she will be a repeat offender, and when? 7:58am Fairfield IA Feb 5th 1972 6:42 Aquarius asc Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:02:58 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Yes, Lila. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:16 AM Re: victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, Would you please comment on my deductions below? 1) If the sixth lord is in the third house, or aspecting the lord of the third house, then one can become a perp? 2) If Rahu occupies the same house as the lord of 3H (which I am assuming is the house of actions) then one can also become a perp? Thank you. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:45:51 CDT " SIHA " wrote: Hello Lila, When the lord of the sixth is placed in the 12H, one is victim and when the sixth lord is associated with house of actions in conjunction with Rahu, then one becomes perpetrator. Best wishes. - lila Friday, June 06, 2008 10:15 PM victim or perpetrator My Dear Professor, We have been told of the planetary indications of deceipt, theft, violence, etc. How are we able to determine if the person is victim or perpetrator? Just an example: I have 6L in 12H. This means theft by deception. This January I had someone convicted (ten years, suspended) who committed theft using hidden practices. If you look at our two charts, how do we know I was the victim and she the perpetrator, and not the other way around? The end of the story is: When I see a deceipt, theft, or violence configuration in a chart, how do I know if they are going to be a victim or a perp? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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