Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the values of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack Obama. Best wishes. 20 Jan 2009 1204 EST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 According to the official atomic clock in Colorado, Obama uttered the word " God " at 12:07:43 pm Eastern. DB , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the values > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack Obama. > > Best wishes. > > > 20 Jan 2009 > 1204 EST > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Hello dear DB, OK. Best wishes. - devibhakt Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:40 PM Re: US President takes oath According to the official atomic clock in Colorado, Obama uttered the word " God " at 12:07:43 pm Eastern. DB , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the values > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack Obama. > > Best wishes. > > > 20 Jan 2009 > 1204 EST > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Dear , Thanks for the inspiring words. This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. 1. " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama 2. " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol.[8] " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_2009_presidential_inauguration Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States Constitution states that the President must take the oath/affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " Best wishes, Thor ________________________________ SIHA <vkchoudhry Cc: SAMVA Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM US President takes oath Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the values of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack Obama. Best wishes. 20 Jan 2009 1204 EST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hello my dear Thor, Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may consider the completing time of the oath. Best wishes. - Cosmologer ; samva Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM Re: US President takes oath Dear , Thanks for the inspiring words. This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. 1. " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama 2. " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol.[8] " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_2009_presidential_inauguration Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States Constitution states that the President must take the oath/affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " Best wishes, Thor ________________________________ SIHA <vkchoudhry Cc: SAMVA Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM US President takes oath Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the values of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack Obama. Best wishes. 20 Jan 2009 1204 EST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear Thor and , The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. Warm regards, Shayn ________________________________ SIHA <vkchoudhry Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM Re: US President takes oath Hello my dear Thor, Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may consider the completing time of the oath. Best wishes. - Cosmologer @ s.com ; samva Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM Re: US President takes oath Dear , Thanks for the inspiring words. This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. 1. " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama 2. " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol.[8] " http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia l_inauguration Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States Constitution states that the President must take the oath/affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " Best wishes, Thor ____________ _________ _________ __ SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @ s.com Cc: SAMVA Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM US President takes oath Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the values of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack Obama. Best wishes. 20 Jan 2009 1204 EST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 As a legal matter, most constitutional scholars agree that the presidency is assumed automatically by virtue of the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The oath of office is constitutionally prescribed, but is not a prerequisite to the transfer of power. Accordingly, the proper time for the start of the Obama presidency is 12:00 noon exactly. On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Shayn Smith wrote: > Dear Thor and , > > The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from > 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. > > Warm regards, > Shayn > > ________________________________ > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM > Re: US President takes oath > > Hello my dear Thor, > > Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep > the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some > one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may > consider the completing time of the oath. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Cosmologer > @ s.com ; samva > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > Dear , > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office > was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when > following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in > line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > 1. > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural > ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > 2. > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol. > [8] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia > l_inauguration > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States > Constitution states that the President must take the oath/ > affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > @ s.com > Cc: SAMVA > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > US President takes oath > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the > values > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack > Obama. > > Best wishes. > > > 20 Jan 2009 > 1204 EST > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hello dear Mr. Alan, Thanks for the info. Best wishes. - Alan Eckert Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:30 AM Re: US President takes oath As a legal matter, most constitutional scholars agree that the presidency is assumed automatically by virtue of the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The oath of office is constitutionally prescribed, but is not a prerequisite to the transfer of power. Accordingly, the proper time for the start of the Obama presidency is 12:00 noon exactly. On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Shayn Smith wrote: > Dear Thor and , > > The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from > 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. > > Warm regards, > Shayn > > ________________________________ > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM > Re: US President takes oath > > Hello my dear Thor, > > Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep > the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some > one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may > consider the completing time of the oath. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Cosmologer > @ s.com ; samva > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > Dear , > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office > was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when > following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in > line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > 1. > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural > ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > 2. > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol. > [8] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia > l_inauguration > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States > Constitution states that the President must take the oath/ > affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > @ s.com > Cc: SAMVA > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > US President takes oath > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the > values > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack > Obama. > > Best wishes. > > > 20 Jan 2009 > 1204 EST > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hello dear dr. Smith, Thanks. Best wishes. - Shayn Smith Cc: SAMVA Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:07 AM Re: US President takes oath Dear Thor and , The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. Warm regards, Shayn ________________________________ SIHA <vkchoudhry Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM Re: US President takes oath Hello my dear Thor, Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may consider the completing time of the oath. Best wishes. - Cosmologer @ s.com ; samva Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM Re: US President takes oath Dear , Thanks for the inspiring words. This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. 1. " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama 2. " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol.[8] " http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia l_inauguration Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States Constitution states that the President must take the oath/affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " Best wishes, Thor ____________ _________ _________ __ SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @ s.com Cc: SAMVA Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM US President takes oath Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the values of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack Obama. Best wishes. 20 Jan 2009 1204 EST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Dear and list members: Many thanks Professor for the congratulations regarding our new President ... it is interesting to compare his inauguration chart with the USA SAMVA chart that this group has established ... As Ashwin has pointed out, President Obama has retaken the oath of office ... does this change the US Presidency Chart or do we continue with the original time? Again my thanks and appreciation for your time and knowledge ... Best Wishes, Mew SAMVA , Ashwin Lakshman <ashwin_inf2000 wrote: > > Hi All, > > Here is some news for more analysis: > > http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/jan/22obama-takes-oath-of-office- again.htm > > It is on NY Times as well. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/us/politics/22oath.html?_r=1 & hp > > rgds, > --Ashwin > > > --- On Wed, 21/1/09, SIHA <vkchoudhry wrote: > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Re: Re: US President takes oath > > SAMVA > > Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 9:56 AM > > Hello my dear Shayn, > > > > It is not a big issue. The alluding reference came due to > > the presence of Mars near MEP of the ninth house. > > > > About two years time may be involved in dealing with > > controversies and the terrorism issues. As I had earlier in > > my predictions for 2009 said, > > " Things start taking positive outlook from August, > > 2009, onwards. The terrorism threat may persist and may > > compel USA to look beyond its strategic issues. US will stop > > aiding the countries which fail to rout out terrorism from > > their land. " > > The foreign policy document signed by President Obama has a > > reference to this effect. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > - > > Shayn Smith > > SAMVA > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:56 PM > > Re: Re: US President takes > > oath > > > > > > > > Dear , > > Thank you for your analysis of the inauguration chart. > > The royal planets do not fare very well with Sun afflicted > > and Moon debilitated in the eighth house. I would imagine > > also that the Sun benefits in some small way from its > > presence near L9, Jupiter. Could this indicate a religious > > tolerance that was alluded to in his inaugural address? > > > > > > Warm regards, > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > SAMVA > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:04:40 PM > > Re: Re: US President takes > > oath > > > > > > > > Hello my dear Shayn, > > > > The planetary influences/operatin g sub period indicate > > that difficulties, difference of opinion about the proposed > > solutions to economic problems and controversies are likely > > to persist for quite sometime. Things appear to be working > > but impact is little. > > > > The good thing is that some amount of divine help is > > likely due to presence of Mars near the MEP of the ninth > > house. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Shayn Smith > > SAMVA > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:42 AM > > Re: US President takes oath > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > I was watching the inauguration and kept an eye on my > > atomic > > watch--Obama began the oath of office at 12:05:55pm. If > > this chart is > > indicative of his presidency, L6 Mercury will create > > disturbances to > > L5, Sun and L9 Jupiter. Venus on H11 MEP shows the hope > > of the people > > and its aspect to H11 dispositor Saturn shows hard but > > productive work > > toward that end. L1 lord, Mars, conjuncts H9, and > > although weak, shows > > some general good fortune tied to his presidency. > > > > Warm regards, > > Shayn > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer > > <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear , > > > > > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > > > > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears > > the time of the > > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well > > known US > > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath > > of Office was > > completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch > > when following a > > live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > > 12:05:50 - or > > just before 12:06. The above reported times are in line > > with two > > entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > > > > > 1. > > > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of > > the United States at > > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an > > inaugural ceremony > > at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > > > > > 2. > > > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at > > 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took > > place at 12:06 > > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United > > States Capitol.[8] " > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ > > 2009_presidentia l_inauguration > > > > > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to > > the United States > > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of > > office, that a > > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning > > Obama became > > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United > > States > > Constitution states that the President must take the > > oath/affirmation > > before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry@ ...> > > > @ s.com > > > Cc: SAMVA > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > > > US President takes oath > > > > > > Congratulations to our members from US and all > > those who cherish the > > values > > > of democracy at the historic moment of oath > > ceremony of Mr. Barack > > Obama. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > 20 Jan 2009 > > > 1204 EST > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Thank you, Sir ... Best Wishes, Mew SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > > Hello MEW, > > We continue with the original chart. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > Mary Ellen Wright > SAMVA > Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:05 PM > Re: US President takes oath > > > Dear and list members: > > Many thanks Professor for the congratulations regarding our new > President ... it is interesting to compare his inauguration chart > with the USA SAMVA chart that this group has established ... > > As Ashwin has pointed out, President Obama has retaken the oath of > office ... does this change the US Presidency Chart or do we continue > with the original time? > > Again my thanks and appreciation for your time and knowledge ... > > Best Wishes, > > Mew > > SAMVA , Ashwin Lakshman <ashwin_inf2000@> > wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Here is some news for more analysis: > > > > http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/jan/22obama-takes-oath-of- office- > again.htm > > > > It is on NY Times as well. > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/us/politics/22oath.html? _r=1 & hp > > > > rgds, > > --Ashwin > > > > > > --- On Wed, 21/1/09, SIHA <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry@> > > > Re: Re: US President takes oath > > > SAMVA > > > Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 9:56 AM > > > Hello my dear Shayn, > > > > > > It is not a big issue. The alluding reference came due to > > > the presence of Mars near MEP of the ninth house. > > > > > > About two years time may be involved in dealing with > > > controversies and the terrorism issues. As I had earlier in > > > my predictions for 2009 said, > > > " Things start taking positive outlook from August, > > > 2009, onwards. The terrorism threat may persist and may > > > compel USA to look beyond its strategic issues. US will stop > > > aiding the countries which fail to rout out terrorism from > > > their land. " > > > The foreign policy document signed by President Obama has a > > > reference to this effect. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Shayn Smith > > > SAMVA > > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:56 PM > > > Re: Re: US President takes > > > oath > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear , > > > Thank you for your analysis of the inauguration chart. > > > The royal planets do not fare very well with Sun afflicted > > > and Moon debilitated in the eighth house. I would imagine > > > also that the Sun benefits in some small way from its > > > presence near L9, Jupiter. Could this indicate a religious > > > tolerance that was alluded to in his inaugural address? > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ------------ > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry@> > > > SAMVA > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:04:40 PM > > > Re: Re: US President takes > > > oath > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello my dear Shayn, > > > > > > The planetary influences/operatin g sub period indicate > > > that difficulties, difference of opinion about the proposed > > > solutions to economic problems and controversies are likely > > > to persist for quite sometime. Things appear to be working > > > but impact is little. > > > > > > The good thing is that some amount of divine help is > > > likely due to presence of Mars near the MEP of the ninth > > > house. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Shayn Smith > > > SAMVA > > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:42 AM > > > Re: US President takes oath > > > > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > I was watching the inauguration and kept an eye on my > > > atomic > > > watch--Obama began the oath of office at 12:05:55pm. If > > > this chart is > > > indicative of his presidency, L6 Mercury will create > > > disturbances to > > > L5, Sun and L9 Jupiter. Venus on H11 MEP shows the hope > > > of the people > > > and its aspect to H11 dispositor Saturn shows hard but > > > productive work > > > toward that end. L1 lord, Mars, conjuncts H9, and > > > although weak, shows > > > some general good fortune tied to his presidency. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Shayn > > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer > > > <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear , > > > > > > > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > > > > > > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears > > > the time of the > > > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well > > > known US > > > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath > > > of Office was > > > completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch > > > when following a > > > live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > > > 12:05:50 - or > > > just before 12:06. The above reported times are in line > > > with two > > > entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of > > > the United States at > > > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an > > > inaugural ceremony > > > at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > > > > > > > 2. > > > > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at > > > 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > > > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took > > > place at 12:06 > > > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United > > > States Capitol.[8] " > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ > > > 2009_presidentia l_inauguration > > > > > > > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to > > > the United States > > > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of > > > office, that a > > > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning > > > Obama became > > > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United > > > States > > > Constitution states that the President must take the > > > oath/affirmation > > > before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry@ ...> > > > > @ s.com > > > > Cc: SAMVA > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > > > > US President takes oath > > > > > > > > Congratulations to our members from US and all > > > those who cherish the > > > values > > > > of democracy at the historic moment of oath > > > ceremony of Mr. Barack > > > Obama. > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Jan 2009 > > > > 1204 EST > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > http://messenger./invite/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 ==============Original message text=============== On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:56:55 CST " SIHA " wrote: My Dear Professor, Obama actually had to be sworn in again, the next day, because the 1st swearing in ceremony was done inappropriately, with the wrong oath. He could not attend to duties of the president without the proper oath, and had to be sworn in again before he could work as president. If he had not taken the 2nd oath, or refused to be sworn in again, he would be prevented from working as president. That being said, which time do we take as effective TOB? This has happened only twice before in the history of the US. One of them being President Garfield. Thank you. Lila Hello dear Mr. Alan, Thanks for the info. Best wishes. - Alan Eckert Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:30 AM Re: US President takes oath As a legal matter, most constitutional scholars agree that the presidency is assumed automatically by virtue of the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The oath of office is constitutionally prescribed, but is not a prerequisite to the transfer of power. Accordingly, the proper time for the start of the Obama presidency is 12:00 noon exactly. On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Shayn Smith wrote: > Dear Thor and , > > The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from > 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. > > Warm regards, > Shayn > > ________________________________ > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM > Re: US President takes oath > > Hello my dear Thor, > > Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep > the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some > one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may > consider the completing time of the oath. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Cosmologer > @ s.com ; samva > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > Dear , > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office > was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when > following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in > line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > 1. > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural > ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > 2. > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol. > [8] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia > l_inauguration > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States > Constitution states that the President must take the oath/ > affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > @ s.com > Cc: SAMVA > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > US President takes oath > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the > values > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack > Obama. > > Best wishes. > > > 20 Jan 2009 > 1204 EST > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hello Lila, If the second paragraph of your message is the legal position, then the time of oath on the second day should be the right time for considering as the oath for Presidency. Best wishes. - lila Friday, January 23, 2009 8:24 AM Re: US President takes oath ==============Original message text=============== On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:56:55 CST " SIHA " wrote: My Dear Professor, Obama actually had to be sworn in again, the next day, because the 1st swearing in ceremony was done inappropriately, with the wrong oath. He could not attend to duties of the president without the proper oath, and had to be sworn in again before he could work as president. If he had not taken the 2nd oath, or refused to be sworn in again, he would be prevented from working as president. That being said, which time do we take as effective TOB? This has happened only twice before in the history of the US. One of them being President Garfield. Thank you. Lila Hello dear Mr. Alan, Thanks for the info. Best wishes. - Alan Eckert Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:30 AM Re: US President takes oath As a legal matter, most constitutional scholars agree that the presidency is assumed automatically by virtue of the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The oath of office is constitutionally prescribed, but is not a prerequisite to the transfer of power. Accordingly, the proper time for the start of the Obama presidency is 12:00 noon exactly. On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Shayn Smith wrote: > Dear Thor and , > > The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from > 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. > > Warm regards, > Shayn > > ________________________________ > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM > Re: US President takes oath > > Hello my dear Thor, > > Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep > the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some > one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may > consider the completing time of the oath. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Cosmologer > @ s.com ; samva > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > Dear , > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office > was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when > following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in > line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > 1. > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural > ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > 2. > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol. > [8] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia > l_inauguration > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States > Constitution states that the President must take the oath/ > affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > @ s.com > Cc: SAMVA > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > US President takes oath > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the > values > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack > Obama. > > Best wishes. > > > 20 Jan 2009 > 1204 EST > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 ==============Original message text=============== On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:18:05 CST " SIHA " wrote: Yes, my dear professor, the second paragraph is true in the American system of jurisprudence. It throws a new monkey wrench into the works, doesn't it? I'll have to get that second time. Lila Hello Lila, If the second paragraph of your message is the legal position, then the time of oath on the second day should be the right time for considering as the oath for Presidency. Best wishes. - lila Friday, January 23, 2009 8:24 AM Re: US President takes oath ==============Original message text=============== On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:56:55 CST " SIHA " wrote: My Dear Professor, Obama actually had to be sworn in again, the next day, because the 1st swearing in ceremony was done inappropriately, with the wrong oath. He could not attend to duties of the president without the proper oath, and had to be sworn in again before he could work as president. If he had not taken the 2nd oath, or refused to be sworn in again, he would be prevented from working as president. That being said, which time do we take as effective TOB? This has happened only twice before in the history of the US. One of them being President Garfield. Thank you. Lila Hello dear Mr. Alan, Thanks for the info. Best wishes. - Alan Eckert Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:30 AM Re: US President takes oath As a legal matter, most constitutional scholars agree that the presidency is assumed automatically by virtue of the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The oath of office is constitutionally prescribed, but is not a prerequisite to the transfer of power. Accordingly, the proper time for the start of the Obama presidency is 12:00 noon exactly. On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Shayn Smith wrote: > Dear Thor and , > > The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from > 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. > > Warm regards, > Shayn > > ________________________________ > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM > Re: US President takes oath > > Hello my dear Thor, > > Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep > the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some > one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may > consider the completing time of the oath. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Cosmologer > @ s.com ; samva > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > Dear , > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office > was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when > following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in > line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > 1. > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural > ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > 2. > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol. > [8] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia > l_inauguration > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States > Constitution states that the President must take the oath/ > affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > @ s.com > Cc: SAMVA > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > US President takes oath > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the > values > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack > Obama. > > Best wishes. > > > 20 Jan 2009 > 1204 EST > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hello list members, Regarding the second oath taken by President Obama, it is my understanding it was taken as a precautionary measure, not because the first oath was considered unacceptable. BBC report: " We believe the oath of office was administered effectively and that the president was sworn in appropriately, " said White House counsel Greg Craig. " Out of the abundance of caution, because there was one word out of sequence, Chief Justice John Roberts will administer the oath a second time. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/obama_inauguration/7843881.stm Time of second oath: The Map Room at 19:35 on 21 Jan 2009. Oath took 25 seconds. Moroever, I believe President Obama began to execute his Presidential powers before the second oath was administered, either from Tuesdeay evening or Wednesday morning in line with Article 2.1.8 of the US Constitution. Wikipedia: The " Twentieth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States Constitution states that the President must take the oath/affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " Best wishes, Thor ________________________________ " lila " <lila Friday, January 23, 2009 8:07:39 AM Re: US President takes oath ==============Original message text=============== On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:18:05 CST " SIHA " wrote: Yes, my dear professor, the second paragraph is true in the American system of jurisprudence. It throws a new monkey wrench into the works, doesn't it? I'll have to get that second time. Lila Hello Lila, If the second paragraph of your message is the legal position, then the time of oath on the second day should be the right time for considering as the oath for Presidency. Best wishes. - lila Friday, January 23, 2009 8:24 AM Re: US President takes oath ==============Original message text=============== On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:56:55 CST " SIHA " wrote: My Dear Professor, Obama actually had to be sworn in again, the next day, because the 1st swearing in ceremony was done inappropriately, with the wrong oath. He could not attend to duties of the president without the proper oath, and had to be sworn in again before he could work as president. If he had not taken the 2nd oath, or refused to be sworn in again, he would be prevented from working as president. That being said, which time do we take as effective TOB? This has happened only twice before in the history of the US. One of them being President Garfield. Thank you. Lila Hello dear Mr. Alan, Thanks for the info. Best wishes. - Alan Eckert Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:30 AM Re: US President takes oath As a legal matter, most constitutional scholars agree that the presidency is assumed automatically by virtue of the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The oath of office is constitutionally prescribed, but is not a prerequisite to the transfer of power. Accordingly, the proper time for the start of the Obama presidency is 12:00 noon exactly. On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Shayn Smith wrote: > Dear Thor and , > > The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from > 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. > > Warm regards, > Shayn > > ________________________________ > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM > Re: US President takes oath > > Hello my dear Thor, > > Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep > the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some > one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may > consider the completing time of the oath. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Cosmologer > @ s.com ; samva > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > Dear , > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office > was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when > following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in > line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > 1. > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural > ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > 2. > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol. > [8] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia > l_inauguration > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States > Constitution states that the President must take the oath/ > affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > @ s.com > Cc: SAMVA > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > US President takes oath > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the > values > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack > Obama. > > Best wishes. > > > 20 Jan 2009 > 1204 EST > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 3:28:33 CST Cosmologer wrote: This same problem has happened twice before in US History. Both previous presidents were sworn in again. The necessity is a very good question. If he executed duties before the second swearing in, would we then take the first as the correct time? This is a such interesting situation! Thank you for all the research you did, Thor. Lila Hello list members, Regarding the second oath taken by President Obama, it is my understanding it was taken as a precautionary measure, not because the first oath was considered unacceptable. BBC report: " We believe the oath of office was administered effectively and that the president was sworn in appropriately, " said White House counsel Greg Craig. " Out of the abundance of caution, because there was one word out of sequence, Chief Justice John Roberts will administer the oath a second time. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/obama_inauguration/7843881.stm Time of second oath: The Map Room at 19:35 on 21 Jan 2009. Oath took 25 seconds. Moroever, I believe President Obama began to execute his Presidential powers before the second oath was administered, either from Tuesdeay evening or Wednesday morning in line with Article 2.1.8 of the US Constitution. Wikipedia: The " Twentieth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States Constitution states that the President must take the oath/affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " Best wishes, Thor ________________________________ " lila " <lila Friday, January 23, 2009 8:07:39 AM Re: US President takes oath ==============Original message text=============== On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:18:05 CST " SIHA " wrote: Yes, my dear professor, the second paragraph is true in the American system of jurisprudence. It throws a new monkey wrench into the works, doesn't it? I'll have to get that second time. Lila Hello Lila, If the second paragraph of your message is the legal position, then the time of oath on the second day should be the right time for considering as the oath for Presidency. Best wishes. - lila Friday, January 23, 2009 8:24 AM Re: US President takes oath ==============Original message text=============== On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:56:55 CST " SIHA " wrote: My Dear Professor, Obama actually had to be sworn in again, the next day, because the 1st swearing in ceremony was done inappropriately, with the wrong oath. He could not attend to duties of the president without the proper oath, and had to be sworn in again before he could work as president. If he had not taken the 2nd oath, or refused to be sworn in again, he would be prevented from working as president. That being said, which time do we take as effective TOB? This has happened only twice before in the history of the US. One of them being President Garfield. Thank you. Lila Hello dear Mr. Alan, Thanks for the info. Best wishes. - Alan Eckert Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:30 AM Re: US President takes oath As a legal matter, most constitutional scholars agree that the presidency is assumed automatically by virtue of the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The oath of office is constitutionally prescribed, but is not a prerequisite to the transfer of power. Accordingly, the proper time for the start of the Obama presidency is 12:00 noon exactly. On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Shayn Smith wrote: > Dear Thor and , > > The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from > 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. > > Warm regards, > Shayn > > ________________________________ > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM > Re: US President takes oath > > Hello my dear Thor, > > Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep > the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some > one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may > consider the completing time of the oath. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Cosmologer > @ s.com ; samva > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > Dear , > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office > was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when > following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in > line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > 1. > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural > ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > 2. > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol. > [8] " > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia > l_inauguration > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States > Constitution states that the President must take the oath/ > affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > @ s.com > Cc: SAMVA > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > US President takes oath > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the > values > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack > Obama. > > Best wishes. > > > 20 Jan 2009 > 1204 EST > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hello Lila, Yes, then the first time will be appropriate. Best wishes. - <lila Friday, January 23, 2009 10:34 PM Re: US President takes oath > ==============Original message text=============== > On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 3:28:33 CST Cosmologer wrote: > > This same problem has happened twice before in US History. Both previous > presidents were sworn in again. The necessity is a very good question. > > If he executed duties before the second swearing in, would we then take > the first as the correct time? This is a such interesting situation! > > Thank you for all the research you did, Thor. > > Lila > > > > Hello list members, > > Regarding the second oath taken by President Obama, it is > my understanding it was taken as a precautionary measure, not because the > first oath was considered unacceptable. > > BBC report: > " We believe the oath of office was administered effectively and that the > president was sworn in appropriately, " said White House counsel Greg > Craig. > > " Out of the abundance of caution, because there was one word out of > sequence, Chief Justice John Roberts will administer the oath a second > time. " > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/obama_inauguration/7843881.stm > Time of second oath: > The Map Room at 19:35 on 21 Jan 2009. Oath took 25 seconds. > > Moroever, I believe President Obama began to execute his Presidential > powers before the second oath was administered, either from Tuesdeay > evening or Wednesday morning in line with Article 2.1.8 of the US > Constitution. > > Wikipedia: > The " Twentieth Amendment to the United States Constitution states, > without mentioning the oath of office, that a newly-elected President > takes office at noon, meaning Obama became President at noon; however > Article 2.1.8 of the United States Constitution states that the President > must take the oath/affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > ________________________________ > " lila " <lila > > Friday, January 23, 2009 8:07:39 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > ==============Original message text=============== > On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:18:05 CST " SIHA " wrote: > > Yes, my dear professor, the second paragraph is true in the American > system of jurisprudence. It throws a new monkey wrench into the works, > doesn't it? I'll have to get that second time. > > Lila > > > > Hello Lila, > > If the second paragraph of your message is the legal position, then the > time of oath on the second day should be the right time for considering > as the oath for Presidency. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > lila > > Friday, January 23, 2009 8:24 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > > ==============Original message text=============== > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:56:55 CST " SIHA " wrote: > > My Dear Professor, > > Obama actually had to be sworn in again, the next day, because the 1st > swearing in ceremony was done inappropriately, with the wrong oath. > > He could not attend to duties of the president without the proper oath, > and had to be sworn in again before he could work as president. If he had > not taken the 2nd oath, or refused to be sworn in again, he would be > prevented from working as president. That being said, which time do we > take as effective TOB? > > This has happened only twice before in the history of the US. One of them > being President Garfield. > > Thank you. > > Lila > > Hello dear Mr. Alan, > > Thanks for the info. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Alan Eckert > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:30 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > As a legal matter, most constitutional scholars agree that the > presidency is assumed automatically by virtue of the 20th Amendment to > the U.S. Constitution. The oath of office is constitutionally > prescribed, but is not a prerequisite to the transfer of power. > Accordingly, the proper time for the start of the Obama presidency is > 12:00 noon exactly. > > On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Shayn Smith wrote: > > > Dear Thor and , > > > > The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from > > 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. > > > > Warm regards, > > Shayn > > > > ________________________________ > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM > > Re: US President takes oath > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep > > the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some > > one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may > > consider the completing time of the oath. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > - > > Cosmologer > > @ s.com ; samva > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM > > Re: US President takes oath > > > > Dear , > > > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the > > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US > > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office > > was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when > > following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > > 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in > > line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > > > 1. > > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at > > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural > > ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > 2. > " The inaugural > > program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 > > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol. > > [8] " > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia > > > l_inauguration > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United > > States > > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a > > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became > > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States > > Constitution states that the President must take the oath/ > > affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > > @ s.com > > Cc: SAMVA > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > > US President takes oath > > > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the > > values > > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack > > Obama. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > 20 Jan 2009 > > 1204 EST > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Sorry, that's not true. Obama went through the second ceremony through what was widely reported and acknowledged to be " an excess of caution. " In fact, before he went through the second ceremony he had already signed several Executive orders and the nomination papers for his cabinet. He did not re-execute them after the second swearing-in ceremony, indicating that he (as a former professor of constitutional law) knew full well that he was already President, as I indicated in my earlier message, as of precisely 12:00 noon EST on January 20. Alan On Jan 23, 2009, at 1:07 AM, lila wrote: > ==============Original message text=============== > On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:18:05 CST " SIHA " wrote: > > Yes, my dear professor, the second paragraph is true in the American > system of jurisprudence. It throws a new monkey wrench into the works, > doesn't it? I'll have to get that second time. > > Lila > > Hello Lila, > > If the second paragraph of your message is the legal position, then > the > time of oath on the second day should be the right time for > considering > as the oath for Presidency. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > lila > > Friday, January 23, 2009 8:24 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > ==============Original message text=============== > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:56:55 CST " SIHA " wrote: > > My Dear Professor, > > Obama actually had to be sworn in again, the next day, because the 1st > swearing in ceremony was done inappropriately, with the wrong oath. > > He could not attend to duties of the president without the proper > oath, > and had to be sworn in again before he could work as president. If > he had > not taken the 2nd oath, or refused to be sworn in again, he would be > prevented from working as president. That being said, which time do we > take as effective TOB? > > This has happened only twice before in the history of the US. One of > them > being President Garfield. > > Thank you. > > Lila > > Hello dear Mr. Alan, > > Thanks for the info. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Alan Eckert > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:30 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > As a legal matter, most constitutional scholars agree that the > presidency is assumed automatically by virtue of the 20th Amendment to > the U.S. Constitution. The oath of office is constitutionally > prescribed, but is not a prerequisite to the transfer of power. > Accordingly, the proper time for the start of the Obama presidency is > 12:00 noon exactly. > > On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Shayn Smith wrote: > > > Dear Thor and , > > > > The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from > > 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. > > > > Warm regards, > > Shayn > > > > ________________________________ > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM > > Re: US President takes oath > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep > > the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some > > one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may > > consider the completing time of the oath. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > - > > Cosmologer > > @ s.com ; samva > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM > > Re: US President takes oath > > > > Dear , > > > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the > > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US > > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office > > was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when > > following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > > 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in > > line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > > > 1. > > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at > > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural > > ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > 2. > > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 > > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol. > > [8] " > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia > > l_inauguration > > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States > > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a > > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became > > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States > > Constitution states that the President must take the oath/ > > affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > > @ s.com > > Cc: SAMVA > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > > US President takes oath > > > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the > > values > > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack > > Obama. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > 20 Jan 2009 > > 1204 EST > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Hello dear Mr. Alan, Thanks for your kind inpute. Best wishes. - Alan Eckert Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:11 AM Re: US President takes oath Sorry, that's not true. Obama went through the second ceremony through what was widely reported and acknowledged to be " an excess of caution. " In fact, before he went through the second ceremony he had already signed several Executive orders and the nomination papers for his cabinet. He did not re-execute them after the second swearing-in ceremony, indicating that he (as a former professor of constitutional law) knew full well that he was already President, as I indicated in my earlier message, as of precisely 12:00 noon EST on January 20. Alan On Jan 23, 2009, at 1:07 AM, lila wrote: > ==============Original message text=============== > On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:18:05 CST " SIHA " wrote: > > Yes, my dear professor, the second paragraph is true in the American > system of jurisprudence. It throws a new monkey wrench into the works, > doesn't it? I'll have to get that second time. > > Lila > > Hello Lila, > > If the second paragraph of your message is the legal position, then > the > time of oath on the second day should be the right time for > considering > as the oath for Presidency. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > lila > > Friday, January 23, 2009 8:24 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > ==============Original message text=============== > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:56:55 CST " SIHA " wrote: > > My Dear Professor, > > Obama actually had to be sworn in again, the next day, because the 1st > swearing in ceremony was done inappropriately, with the wrong oath. > > He could not attend to duties of the president without the proper > oath, > and had to be sworn in again before he could work as president. If > he had > not taken the 2nd oath, or refused to be sworn in again, he would be > prevented from working as president. That being said, which time do we > take as effective TOB? > > This has happened only twice before in the history of the US. One of > them > being President Garfield. > > Thank you. > > Lila > > Hello dear Mr. Alan, > > Thanks for the info. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Alan Eckert > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:30 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > As a legal matter, most constitutional scholars agree that the > presidency is assumed automatically by virtue of the 20th Amendment to > the U.S. Constitution. The oath of office is constitutionally > prescribed, but is not a prerequisite to the transfer of power. > Accordingly, the proper time for the start of the Obama presidency is > 12:00 noon exactly. > > On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Shayn Smith wrote: > > > Dear Thor and , > > > > The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from > > 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. > > > > Warm regards, > > Shayn > > > > ________________________________ > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM > > Re: US President takes oath > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep > > the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some > > one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may > > consider the completing time of the oath. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > - > > Cosmologer > > @ s.com ; samva > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM > > Re: US President takes oath > > > > Dear , > > > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the > > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US > > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office > > was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when > > following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > > 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in > > line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > > > 1. > > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at > > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural > > ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > 2. > > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 > > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol. > > [8] " > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia > > l_inauguration > > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States > > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a > > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became > > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States > > Constitution states that the President must take the oath/ > > affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > > @ s.com > > Cc: SAMVA > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > > US President takes oath > > > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the > > values > > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack > > Obama. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > 20 Jan 2009 > > 1204 EST > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 ==============Original message text=============== On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:41:19 CST Alan Eckert wrote: I stand corrected. Thank you, Alan, for your knowledge and Thor, for your research. Lila Sorry, that's not true. Obama went through the second ceremony through what was widely reported and acknowledged to be " an excess of caution. " In fact, before he went through the second ceremony he had already signed several Executive orders and the nomination papers for his cabinet. He did not re-execute them after the second swearing-in ceremony, indicating that he (as a former professor of constitutional law) knew full well that he was already President, as I indicated in my earlier message, as of precisely 12:00 noon EST on January 20. Alan On Jan 23, 2009, at 1:07 AM, lila wrote: > ==============Original message text=============== > On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:18:05 CST " SIHA " wrote: > > Yes, my dear professor, the second paragraph is true in the American > system of jurisprudence. It throws a new monkey wrench into the works, > doesn't it? I'll have to get that second time. > > Lila > > Hello Lila, > > If the second paragraph of your message is the legal position, then > the > time of oath on the second day should be the right time for > considering > as the oath for Presidency. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > lila > > Friday, January 23, 2009 8:24 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > ==============Original message text=============== > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:56:55 CST " SIHA " wrote: > > My Dear Professor, > > Obama actually had to be sworn in again, the next day, because the 1st > swearing in ceremony was done inappropriately, with the wrong oath. > > He could not attend to duties of the president without the proper > oath, > and had to be sworn in again before he could work as president. If > he had > not taken the 2nd oath, or refused to be sworn in again, he would be > prevented from working as president. That being said, which time do we > take as effective TOB? > > This has happened only twice before in the history of the US. One of > them > being President Garfield. > > Thank you. > > Lila > > Hello dear Mr. Alan, > > Thanks for the info. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Alan Eckert > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:30 AM > Re: US President takes oath > > As a legal matter, most constitutional scholars agree that the > presidency is assumed automatically by virtue of the 20th Amendment to > the U.S. Constitution. The oath of office is constitutionally > prescribed, but is not a prerequisite to the transfer of power. > Accordingly, the proper time for the start of the Obama presidency is > 12:00 noon exactly. > > On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Shayn Smith wrote: > > > Dear Thor and , > > > > The entire oath of office took only 35 seconds so it lasted from > > 12:05:55-12:06:30pm. > > > > Warm regards, > > Shayn > > > > ________________________________ > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:14:45 PM > > Re: US President takes oath > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > Yes, there can be several views. A minute's difference would keep > > the ascendant in the same degree if one considers the chart. Some > > one may consider the starting time of the oath and someone may > > consider the completing time of the oath. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > - > > Cosmologer > > @ s.com ; samva > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:14 AM > > Re: US President takes oath > > > > Dear , > > > > Thanks for the inspiring words. > > > > This may be like splitting hairs but, it appears the time of the > > oath being completed was betweem 12:05-12:06. One well known US > > astrologer participating in the ceremony, says the Oath of Office > > was completed around 12:05. This is in line with my watch when > > following a live CNN newscast of the event. Another says it was at > > 12:05:50 - or just before 12:06. The above reported times are in > > line with two entries on Wikipedia, where the time is mentioned. > > > > 1. > > " Obama was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States at > > 12:05 PM EST (17:05 UTC) on January 20, 2009, in an inaugural > > ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.[128] " > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama > > 2.> > " The inaugural program began on January 20 at 10 a.m. EST (15:00 > > UTC); the oath of office and inaugural address took place at 12:06 > > p.m. EST (17:06 UTC) at the west front of the United States Capitol. > > [8] " > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Barack_Obama_ 2009_presidentia > > l_inauguration > > > Interestingly, the " Twentieth Amendment to the United States > > Constitution states, without mentioning the oath of office, that a > > newly-elected President takes office at noon, meaning Obama became > > President at noon; however Article 2.1.8 of the United States > > Constitution states that the President must take the oath/ > > affirmation before he/she can " execute " the office. " > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > > @ s.com > > Cc: SAMVA > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:08:32 PM > > US President takes oath > > > > Congratulations to our members from US and all those who cherish the > > values > > of democracy at the historic moment of oath ceremony of Mr. Barack > > Obama. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > 20 Jan 2009 > > 1204 EST > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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