Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear list members, Please note that the discussion about the evolution of financial variables like the currency values on the SA lists is NOT INTENDED AS INVESTMENT ADVISE. The only purpose for such discussion is to share information about how to read natal, period and transit influences of astrology in a mundance chart. Thor ________________________________ Cosmologer <cosmologer SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology Cc: samva Fri, December 11, 2009 7:33:16 AM [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: The US dollar Hello dear Arun, First let me say that I really don´t have time for extensive analysis of financial assets. This will be my last post on the matter for a while. The natal 2nd lord Sun, an important indicator of currency strength in the SAMVA USA chart, is at this time conjunct natal 8th lord Saturn. This could bring some obstacles but also easy gains. It will then shortly move into the sign Sagittarius which falls in the 6th house. At the same time, its dispositor, transit 6th lord Jupiter, is now debilitated and old age in transit in the final degrees of the sign Capricorn. Jupiter will then, on December 21, move into the sign Aquarius, which is in the malefic 8th house in the SAMVA USA chart. Saturn, as sub-period lord, will thus soon become the dispositor of transit Jupiter and in turn the Sun. Saturn also aspects the Sun in the SAMVA USA chart, bringing both obstacles but also easy gains. The dispositor of Saturn in transit is Mercury and it is transiting the sign Sagittarius for the next two months. As it is badly placed, this reduces the strength of transit Saturn, which is now stationary afflicting natal 10th lord Mars. This transit aspect could bring problems for the government, export manufacturers and troops. Moreover, transit Rahu has moved into Sagittarius and 6th house where it is now stationary afflicting natal Venus, the major period lord. This transit could have a dampening effect on the housing market and communal harmony. In sum, the above transits are not seen to be helpful to the dollar. That said, as I have said before, astrology helps us to detect the easy or challenging periods in life. It is not always certain that this corresponds to a high or low value of things like relative currency values. A low currency has its benefits (strong price competitive position) as well as its costs (reduced purchasing power abroad). The net influence is to boost the external balance which over time tends to strengthen the currency. A high currency has its benefits (strong purchasing power abroad) but also its costs (reduced price competitiveness for exports). The net influence tends to reduce the external balance and currency strength going forward. Currencies tend to follow irregular cycles, bounded by high and low values. The dollar is now very low in value, historically speaking, but it has recently shown signs of recovery. Currency values are the repository of all types of information from all over the world and millions of decisions, which reflect energies at work in mundane charts, known and unknown. Even then history shows that the USA is something of a " first among equals " when it comes to currency strength, in terms of either the relative value of the currency or the prices foreigners charge it for lendig it assets in its own currency (investing in dollar denominated assets). The natal potential seen for currency strength, as indicated by the Sun, 2nd lord, Moon and 11th house. Both the Sun and Moon are strong and powerfully influencing in the SAMVA USA chart. Again, the period and transit energies are not helpful for the coming months. As earlier stated, it was the transit station of Jupiter over the natal Sun which brought concerns about the rise in US debt and questions about the reserve status of the US dollar this autumn. This transit contributed to the suppression of the relative value of the dollar (in terms of other currencies). As the aspect lifted, it was expected some weight would be lifted off the dollar and it likely has. However, as noted above the transit energies in the SAMVA USA chart are not easy going forward, while the Sun is badly placed in transit. It is also hard to say excactly how the balance of these energies will manifest in terms of relative currency values. Will the dollar continue at its present low level now that natal Sun is no longer afflicted while transit Sun is afflicted by natal Saturn and soon to become badly placed, while also other difficult transits are at work but involving other indications, those of Venus and Mars? It is hard to say. It is hard to see a further decline in the dollar but it is also hard to argue the above influences will contrtibute to strengthen it very much based on the SAMVA USA chart. Again, there is a lot of unknown information or uncertainty involved and we will soon see how the dollar evolves. Thor ________________________________ Arun <abirla2001 SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology Thu, December 10, 2009 5:27:46 PM Re: [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: The US dollar Dear Mr. Thor, I am into Export Business and earn income in USD which eventually needs to be converted to Indian Rupee. As per your prediction USD is to become stronger in December as well as January 2010. The Surprising Unemployment report gave a Major Boost to value of USD; also today the Trade Deficit data has come in support of USD again. BUT despite of all this Indian Stock Markets are maintaining high levels and continues to gain and are not at all showing signs of weakness - This is pushing the value of USD lower when converted to Indian Rupees. The Irony is that USD has increased in value and has gained against major currencies BUT is not showing major increase against INR. I sincerely wish to know when Will Indian Stock Markets show weakness (after 10 Dec 2009) which in turn will allow USD to gain on Indian Rupee. We have been suffering losses since last many months and after all the hard work when we convert our USD to INR we really are very depressed. Pls advise. Thanks. Best Regards, Arun Birla. ________________________________ Cosmologer <cosmologer SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology Cc: samva Fri, December 4, 2009 1:18:26 PM [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: The US dollar Hello dear Jason, It is true, only a few become wealthy in financial investing. Observed humane behaviour spans a broad range of proclivities and motivation. Importantly, the effort is not to use astrology with the aim of becoming rich. The reason to do so at the mundane level is because during the present Capitalist age, the development of financial activity has implications for all. Finanicial data are also exceedingly easy to obtain, enabling us to gauge the fluctuating sentiments on the markets in terms of the astrology of an authentic mundane chart. The making of predictions of more or less strain in financial markets has been shown to be possible. However, the forecasting of currency values is hard as so many factors impinge on it, including influences in other (and in many cases unobserved) national charts. Moreover, it is one thing to make predictions on such phenomena based on long experience and another to do so based on astrology. We have been discussing rather openly on SAMVA list what may happen for the dollar based on an astrological reading of the SAMVA USA chart. A strengthening of the dollar is quite possible at this time, as you also suggest. As you and others here may not have followed much of the discussion on SAMVA list so I summarise some of it here for your benefit. In terms of the SAMVA USA chart, these are the things we are following VENUS-SATURN PERIOD - Venus major period involves Venus as 4th lord badly placed in the 6th house, which is afflicted by Rahu and the 4th house is afflicted by Ketu. 6th lord Jupiter is well placed in the 5th house, in aspect with an exalted 1st lord Moon in the 11th house. There has been lot of infrastructure development. Supremely rich people have emerged based on some market based activity. Social fairness issues have become descisive. Housing has become the source of a housing bubble and financial crash. This period lasts until April 2016. - Saturn sub-period involves Saturn as 8th lord well placed in Scorpio and 5th house but in slight old age and aspecting Sun as 2nd lord. Ketu afflicts the 8th house of obstacles and endings, easy gains and beliefs of the people. This period is expected to bring a sluggish development of the economy, a focus on traditional activiti es and things mined from the ground, difficulties for the US President and perhaps sudden disturbing events. JUPITER - transit stationary and debilitated 6th lord Jupiter at 23° 20' Capricorn and 7th house is conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun at 23° 44' Capricorn in the autumn months of 2009. This transit brought concerns about the debt and the dollar, as predicted. The value of the dollar became very low. - transit Jupiter begins to leave the conjunction of the Sun in the third week of November. Some improvement in the value of the dollar expected, given also the strength of Sun and Moon in transit. - transit Jupiter, while in the 7th house, enters into aspect of natal 8th lord Saturn at 26° 46' Scorpio and 5th house. Violent events possible (several multiple murders seen). Obstacles to financial stability and banks. - transit Jupiter entering Aquarius and the 8th house of the chart. Weakeness and problems for monetary policy and financial stability. SATURN - transit 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 6th lord Jupiter in autumn months of 2009. Violent events seen. Problems for financial stability and banks. - transit stationary Saturn at 10° Virgo and 3rd house closely asepcts natal 10th lord Mars at 10° Scorpio and 5th house in late 2009 and early 2010. Obstacles for the military and police. Problems for manufacturing industry and foreign trade. One source of problem for industry and trade could be a stronger dollar, if other factors support. RAHU - transit stationary Rahu at 27° Sagittarius and 6th house (and Ketu in Gemini/12th) is conjunct natal 4th lord Venus at 23° 50' Sagittarius in late 2009 and early 2010. This is likely to disturb the sentiments, the housing market and communal harmony. -transit stationary Rahu at 18° Sagittarius and 6th house in aspect to natal Rahu at 17° 47' Aries and 10th house in summer of 2010. This is likely to bring a fresh upset to the market, perhaps a second round for the present crisis. KETU - transit stationary Ketu at 18° Gemini and 12th house in aspect to natal Ketu at 18° Libra and 4th house in summer of 2010. This asepct could result in a sudden upsetting event. MARS - transit debilitation of 10th lord Mars in Cancer and 1st house during the 4th quarter of 2009 and first half of 2010. Foreign trade and manufacturing industry become more prominent, but weakness is seen. JUPITER-SATURN - transit 8th lord Saturn in early Virgo and 3rd house in mutual aspect to transit 6th lord Jupiter in Pisces and 9th house in summer of 2010. For part of this time, natal 6th lord Jupiter will be aspected by the transit planets. These aspect is likely to produce violent events and difficulty for easy gains, financial stability, etc.. Agains, mirroring what we see around us, not many people have strong karma in their charts for wealth by investing or speculation. Fewer still also have an interest in astrology or the spiritual side of life. For others, there may karma that actually indicates a danger of losses in financial or housing investments. The range of human experiences is broad indeed! The value of astrology is that it shows ones capabilities as well as limits and how to manage. The wise heed its advice and work with what they have. Contented persons are grateful for their gifts and humble in the presence of their limits. In my view, it is helpful to have an interest in astrology and the spiritual side of life and a real blessing to come across a great teacher like Professor Choudhry. Thor ____________ _________ _________ __ jason smith <jasonsmith108@ gmail.com> SystemsApproachToVe dicAstrology Thu, December 3, 2009 5:41:55 PM Re: [systemsApproachToV edicAstrology] The US dollar Let us wait and see if my prediction for a stronger dollar in December and January comes true. On another note, a person is better off reading a high quality weekly publication on the US and Global economies than keeping up with the sensational flavor of the hour. When numbers come in, like unemployment, we should use 10% change, as rule of thumb to gauge if its worth mentioning. Check significant lows/highs, add/subtract 10% and that gives you a good idea how things are moving. Regarding financial markets and equities, I think that this will remain a mystery to most astrologers. If this knowledge is firmly in hand, one may become extremely wealthy. We can see from the natal chart of many astrologers that such is unlikely. The move of Jupiter to Aquarius isn't positive for the USA for all 6H,and bank concerns. Jason Smith On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 4:07 AM, Cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: > > > Hello dear Jason, > > We certainly live in interesting times. > > Reading the economy and the dollar is not easy, not only due to problems of > analysing many influences, but also due to the global nature of influences. > Allow me however, to ad a few comments. While my aim is to help clarify the > many issues involved from an economic and astrological standpoint, I realise > it may also complicate the picture. Hopefully, we can at least begin to see > the main strands of the factors involved. > > First, the assessment of the strength of the US dollar could acknowledge > that the weakness of the dollar at the present time owes primarily to three > factors > > 1) the extraordinarily low interest rates in the USA (due to the financial > crash and recession). This situation has created an outflow out of US dollar > based capital in the so-called 'carry trade' which many worry may create a > new bubble in the global economy. The low interest rates in Japan created a > similar carry trade in the recent global bubble. > The debiliation of Jupiter in transit is likely the chief astrological > factor associated with the weakness of US monetary policy. This weakness is > likely to be with us after Jupiter moves through Aquarius and 8th house in > the SAMVA USA chart. > > 2) concerns that the time of Pax Americana, the dominance of the US dollar > as an international reserve currency, is over. > The astrological explanation for this is the recent station of Jupiter as > 6th lord conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun in the SAMVA USA chart. This affliction > is now lifting. > > The lifting of 2) prompted me to predict an improvement in the value of the > dollar. However, a closer analysis of the Sun and Moon in transit, showed > that this could be delayed, as you also suggest for reasons not explained. > The transits in the chart are quite mixed. The period influence is also hard > to read, as the sub-period belongs to Saturn as 8th lord and it natally > aspects the Sun. Will this bring obstacles or easy gains? That said, we can > follow the market today, to see if the transit of Moon into Pisces, albeit > into the aspect of natal 6th lord Jupiter, and transit of Sun conjunct natal > Mars will manage to help the dollar, even if interest rates are so low (as > Jupiter is weak) > > 3) The dollar is also influenced by the US trade balance. > Actually, for the past two decades there has been a concern that a > " disorderly adjustment " in the dollar could be provoked by the persisting US > trade deficits and evers increasing foreign debt of the USA. This is > undoubtedly a big factor in 2). > > In the SAMVA USA chart, Mars as 10th lord rules foreign trade. The MEP of > the 10th house is afflicted by Rahu (and Ketu), suggesting problems of > manipulation involving this area of national life. Looking at transit Rahu, > we see it has recently moved into the 6th house of financial stability > (problems with debt). This suggests, concerns over financial stability may > become pronounced, especially when it afflicts natal 4th lord Venus (fixed > assets), the MEPs of the houses involved at 20° and its own natal placement > at 18° Aries. So next year we need to watch this. Moreover, the strong natal > 10th lord Mars at 10° Scorpio and 5th house will soon become afflicted by a > stationary 8th lord Saturn at 10° Virgo and 3rd house. This is likely to > bring strains involving obstacles and endings to the indications of Mars. > Fortunately, Mars is strong an well apsected by natal 1st lord Moon, > protecting these indications. In short, the US dollar could become involved > in this situation, albeit it is hard to see how in the globally > interconnected world. How will the low interest rates, some improvement in > the US economy and problems with trade affect the dollar? How will the low > dollar affect the trade? It should help reduce imports and raise exports, > but is that happening? > > As for the state of the US economy, yesterday, the number of new claimants > of unemployment benefits has declined more than expected. Earlier consumer > demand figures were seen to improve. Housing starts was also registering > some improvement. So, in fact, the anecdotal data has continued to paint a > picture of gradual improvement in the economy, even if it is of course in a > sorry state. > > Thor > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > jason smith <jasonsmith108@ gmail.com <jasonsmith108% 40gmail.com> > > SystemsApproachToVe dicAstrology<SystemsApproachToV edicAstrology% 40. com> > Wed, November 25, 2009 6:48:17 PM > Re: [systemsApproachToV edicAstrology] Happy Thanksgiving! > > Dear List members, > > I second the gratitude for Professor C and the SA. Here in the USA, I hope > that we can all be grateful for what we do have and give to others with our > full hearts. And God willing, we'll receive the same. > > On another note: If there is a chance for the USD to strengthen, it can > come > in the months of December and January. The GDP numbers for the USA came out > recently and they have painted a poor picture of the economy. The > fluctuations in job and housing numbers should continue for a while and > keep > giving avid news followers and reporters a warped picture. > > Jason Smith > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Shayn Smith <mactunesmith@ <mactunesmith% 40> > >wrote: > > > > > > > Dear and List Members, > > As we approach the Thanksgiving holiday in the U.S., I would like to take > > this time to offer thanks for the remarkable gift of Systems' Approach to > > Vedic Astrology given to us by . Also, much admiration > and > > appreciation go out to the list members who faithfully promote SATVA and > > share their wonderful wisdom on these lists, including dear Thor who > > tirelessly produces brilliant insights into the mundane sphere. > > > > I have learned so much from all of you... > > > > Warm regards, > > Shayn Smith > > Boulder, Colorado > > USA > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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