A very basic question about KP

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Hello all,

 

I have a very basic question to ask to all the learned members about

KP. We all know that it has been claimed that ruling planets never

fail to guide. Now, the question I wish to ask is this.

 

Let us assume that the problem is that the date and time of a

person's birth is not certain. He wishes to get the birth time and

date rectification done. For example, one person has posed to me the

same problem of birth time rectification. He says that his birth

happened in January' 1966. The date is either 5th or 12th. The time

is somewhere around morning. He wishes to know the correct date as

well as time of his birth. He gives a number 131 for horary analysis.

Now, suppose four of the members of this group take up this task.

Will the ruling planets be the same in all the four cases? If not,

how can we claim that the result arrived at by the rectification

process is correct?

 

I pose this problem to the esteemed members of this group. As an

experiment let us take up this case, and post our results in this

forum.

 

Ashok

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Dear amit

 

Thank u very much for kindling the minds of K.P.Its another question though not a big one but an essential or an important one.

 

First as K.P astrologer or researcher or lover or student or a scholar,we should understand the roots of K.P and the role of planets clearly once for all.

 

 

Let we grasp any principles or phenomenon only once very clearly as such it touches the sub-concious stage.Ruling planets are the real phenomenon that makes every astrologer proud and confident.

 

It is a lamp in the hands of every K.P astrologer to sail through the dark way of innocence behind the vast world of occult science.

 

As u say the horo no.131 it shows Venus-Rahu-Jupiter and u have RP

 

the option is 5th or 12th of january,1966,ofcourse morning also.

 

both days are wednesday and so the confusion.....

 

but on 12th moon is in virgo being mercury's sign but on 5th it is in taurus being another sign of venus .Venus is in the horo number and mercury is not there so planets speaks clearly but it is the fate of the astrologer or any person to understand it or not.

 

everything here is scientific and thats why K.P is successful still now.

 

Watch your thoughts it becomes action.....

 

so RP should be analysed clearly to get a good result and failing which it is the mistake of the person and ofcourse not this holy spectacular science.

 

Thanking you

Balaji G

 

amit1201 <ashok_12_66 wrote:

Hello all,I have a very basic question to ask to all the learned members about KP. We all know that it has been claimed that ruling planets never fail to guide. Now, the question I wish to ask is this. Let us assume that the problem is that the date and time of a person's birth is not certain. He wishes to get the birth time and date rectification done. For example, one person has posed to me the same problem of birth time rectification. He says that his birth happened in January' 1966. The date is either 5th or 12th. The time is somewhere around morning. He wishes to know the correct date as well as time of his birth. He gives a number 131 for horary analysis. Now, suppose four of the members of this group take up this task. Will the ruling planets be the same in all the four cases? If not, how can we claim that the

result arrived at by the rectification process is correct? I pose this problem to the esteemed members of this group. As an experiment let us take up this case, and post our results in this forum. Ashok

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Dear Balaji

 

Your answer does not make your conclusion clear. I wanted members to

find out the date and time of birth and post their analysis here. At

least we should list out all the ruling planets, so that we all can

see whether they match in three or four cases at least. I agree that

analysis depends on the ability and understanding of astrologer but

ruling planets should be the same for each. If one astrologer has a

different list than another astrologer, then it shakes the very

foundation of KP. Do you not agree?

 

I know that these days is not always accessible to

people in India, so I will wait for the posts of other members too.

In particular, I would like to see the posts of Mr. Punit Pandey and

Mr. Anurodh Kumar. Mr. Anurodh does seem to have the concepts of KP

very clear in his mind. So, I will wait.

 

Thank you for replying so promptly. PLease post all the ruling

planets which you found, when you tried to analyse the question.

 

Ashok

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Dear Amit,

Hope that you are fine.

What Bala ji has said is correct.

With my little knowledge and small experience with ruling planets, I have found that ruling planets need lot of research still and one has to go for the thorough practice with them.

I have found that whenever the astrologer sits for the specific querry in mind with a strong urge only then the ruling planets guide.

Sitting for a specific querry to solve it is very necessary that the motive should be crystal clear.

In one of the leading book shop of Lucknow I got chance to read ( take a glimse ) the kp case study where the writter had solved the similar problem for his mother.

But he did it in differernt sessions.

In each session he only did one thing, like in one sitting he fixed the birth star ( moon star ) and so on.....

 

Here from this case study I understood that if the kp problem is multistaged then one should solve it in different sessions and having a clear cut objective in mind.

 

I would like to quote a recent discussion between Bala and I about his birth time rectification and I admit that ruling planets just not matched while it should not be the case.......

It is not the fault of the system but the shortcommings in our own knowledge.

 

with regards,

Anurodh.

 

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Dear Ashok,

Well I am a student and Balaji is also a very good student of KP.

Well, at present I do have a case of my mother itself where confusion of date is there.

Well, I would like to take up this analysis for my own practise and would request Punit ji and Balaji to take the things at there end.

 

Ashok ji, you should send in the entire data, kp number and the happenings with dates, place of birth etc for that person.

I will take up this case but need time as my job requirements are very high and accordingly I will manage the time.

 

with regards,

Anurodh.amit1201 <ashok_12_66 wrote:

Dear BalajiYour answer does not make your conclusion clear. I wanted members to find out the date and time of birth and post their analysis here. At least we should list out all the ruling planets, so that we all can see whether they match in three or four cases at least. I agree that analysis depends on the ability and understanding of astrologer but ruling planets should be the same for each. If one astrologer has a different list than another astrologer, then it shakes the very foundation of KP. Do you not agree?I know that these days is not always accessible to people in India, so I will wait for the posts of other members too. In particular, I would like to see the posts of Mr. Punit Pandey and Mr. Anurodh Kumar. Mr. Anurodh does seem to have the concepts of KP very clear in his mind. So, I will

wait.Thank you for replying so promptly. PLease post all the ruling planets which you found, when you tried to analyse the question.Ashok

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Ashok ji, Amit ji & Anurodh ji,

As a KP astrologer, I experimented extensively with RPs. I am posting my views as follows -

I found that in some cases RP works very well and in some cases it fails miserably. Sometimes I was able to find out the time very accurately, perhaps, even accurate to the seconds. But sometimes there is no clue at all. With due respect to KP, I conclude that the RP theory cannot be applied as it is. I have few thoughts about it. First and most important is strong urge. It is not only required for RP but also for horary. Without strong urge, one cannot predict accurately even with horary astrology which has the same foundation.

The second thing is, RP method of KP is a mathematical form of theory of Varahamihira. So an astrologer must study the time rectification theory or Varahamihira before jumping to KP. Mixing Varahamihira theory can be helpful in finding birth time.

Third, I use another method for rectification, which I found most convincing. Although this method is not as scientific as RP but more applicable and simple. In various old texts like Garga Samhita, Ravan Samhita and Lal Kitab, results of planets in various houses are given. We can match the present life/ happening with those texts and determine the ascendant. After determining ascendant, we can use RP to fix exact degree of ascendant. It doesn't look as impressive, but I found this method most useful. It looks same as event based rectification but it is not rather it is more matching.

Again, waiting for other members' opinion.

Regards,

Punit Pandey

Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1 wrote:

 

Dear Amit,

Hope that you are fine.

What Bala ji has said is correct.

With my little knowledge and small experience with ruling planets, I have found that ruling planets need lot of research still and one has to go for the thorough practice with them.

I have found that whenever the astrologer sits for the specific querry in mind with a strong urge only then the ruling planets guide.

Sitting for a specific querry to solve it is very necessary that the motive should be crystal clear.

In one of the leading book shop of Lucknow I got chance to read ( take a glimse ) the kp case study where the writter had solved the similar problem for his mother.

But he did it in differernt sessions.

In each session he only did one thing, like in one sitting he fixed the birth star ( moon star ) and so on.....

 

Here from this case study I understood that if the kp problem is multistaged then one should solve it in different sessions and having a clear cut objective in mind.

 

I would like to quote a recent discussion between Bala and I about his birth time rectification and I admit that ruling planets just not matched while it should not be the case.......

It is not the fault of the system but the shortcommings in our own knowledge.

 

with regards,

Anurodh.

 

 

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Dear Anurodh Kumar Ji,

 

Thanks for the offer to rectify the birth time and date. I enquired

and here is the detail..

 

Birth date : 5th or 12 January'1966

Time : In the morning before 8:00 AM

KP Horary number : 131

 

Date of Marriage : 9th December'1991

Date of first child birth: 15th December'1992

Date of second child birth: 21st August'1997

Date of mother's death : 18th September'2001

 

I hope this data will be sufficient for analysis.

 

, Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1>

wrote:

 

> Ashok ji, you should send in the entire data, kp number and the

happenings with dates, place of birth etc for that person.

> I will take up this case but need time as my job requirements are

very high and accordingly I will manage the time.

>

> with regards,

> Anurodh.

>

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I forgot to mention the place of birth.

 

It is Ghazipur (UP) - 25:34 N, 83:35 E.

[Guest guest]

Dear Punit Ji,

My reply in upper case.

 

 

,

As a KP astrologer, I experimented extensively with RPs. I am posting my views as follows -

I found that in some cases RP works very well and in some cases it fails miserably. Sometimes I was able to find out the time very accurately, perhaps, even accurate to the seconds. But sometimes there is no clue at all. With due respect to KP, I conclude that the RP theory cannot be applied as it is. I have few thoughts about it. First and most important is strong urge. It is not only required for RP but also for horary. Without strong urge, one cannot predict accurately even with horary astrology which has the same foundation.

ABSOLUTLY CORRECT. I AGREE WITH YOU.

The second thing is, RP method of KP is a mathematical form of theory of Varahamihira. So an astrologer must study the time rectification theory or Varahamihira before jumping to KP. Mixing Varahamihira theory can be helpful in finding birth time.

IF I AM UNDERSTANDING CORRECT , ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DAY DIVISION METHOD WHERE THE DAY IS DIVIDED IN MALE AND FEMALE BIRTHS AND WHEN THE TIME IS REPORTED THEN IT IS SEEN WHEATHER IT MATCHES WITH THE SEX OF THE NATIVE AND THE SEX RULED AT THE TIME OF THE BIRTH ( REPORTED ) AND ACCORDINGLY THE NEAREST TIME IS NOTED WHICH MATCHES WITH THE SEX OF THE NATIVE , IF ERROR IS FOUND.

HAVE I UNDERSTOOD THIS THING IN CORRECT MANNER OR YOU ARE TALIKING FOR SOME OTHER METHOD.?

IF YES, KINDLY GIVE SOME BRIEF ABOUT IT.

Third, I use another method for rectification, which I found most convincing. Although this method is not as scientific as RP but more applicable and simple. In various old texts like Garga Samhita, Ravan Samhita and Lal Kitab, results of planets in various houses are given. We can match the present life/ happening with those texts and determine the ascendant. After determining ascendant, we can use RP to fix exact degree of ascendant. It doesn't look as impressive, but I found this method most useful. It looks same as event based rectification but it is not rather it is more matching.

 

Again, waiting for other members' opinion.

Regards,

Anurodh.

 

 

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Kindly mention the place of birth and the lat and long. for that place too.

regards,

Anurodh.amit1201 <ashok_12_66 wrote:

Dear Anurodh Kumar Ji,Thanks for the offer to rectify the birth time and date. I enquired and here is the detail..Birth date : 5th or 12 January'1966Time : In the morning before 8:00 AMKP Horary number : 131Date of Marriage : 9th December'1991Date of first child birth: 15th December'1992Date of second child birth: 21st August'1997Date of mother's death : 18th September'2001I hope this data will be sufficient for analysis. , Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1> wrote:> Ashok ji, you should send in the entire data, kp number and the happenings with dates, place of birth etc for that person.> I will take up this case but need time as my job requirements are very high and accordingly I will manage the time.> > with regards,>

Anurodh.>

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hello amit,

You should wait for this rectification.

with regards,

Anurodh.amit1201 <ashok_12_66 wrote:

I forgot to mention the place of birth.It is Ghazipur (UP) - 25:34 N, 83:35 E.

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Anurodh Ji,

 

No, I am not talking about the day division method. I didn't find day division method much useful. Probaby day division method is given by parashara and not varahamihira. Please check Brihat Jatak for rectificaiton method by Varahamihira.

 

Regards,

 

Punit PandeyAnurodh Kumar <anurodh1 wrote:

 

Dear Punit Ji,

My reply in upper case.

 

 

,

As a KP astrologer, I experimented extensively with RPs. I am posting my views as follows -

I found that in some cases RP works very well and in some cases it fails miserably. Sometimes I was able to find out the time very accurately, perhaps, even accurate to the seconds. But sometimes there is no clue at all. With due respect to KP, I conclude that the RP theory cannot be applied as it is. I have few thoughts about it. First and most important is strong urge. It is not only required for RP but also for horary. Without strong urge, one cannot predict accurately even with horary astrology which has the same foundation.

ABSOLUTLY CORRECT. I AGREE WITH YOU.

The second thing is, RP method of KP is a mathematical form of theory of Varahamihira. So an astrologer must study the time rectification theory or Varahamihira before jumping to KP. Mixing Varahamihira theory can be helpful in finding birth time.

IF I AM UNDERSTANDING CORRECT , ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DAY DIVISION METHOD WHERE THE DAY IS DIVIDED IN MALE AND FEMALE BIRTHS AND WHEN THE TIME IS REPORTED THEN IT IS SEEN WHEATHER IT MATCHES WITH THE SEX OF THE NATIVE AND THE SEX RULED AT THE TIME OF THE BIRTH ( REPORTED ) AND ACCORDINGLY THE NEAREST TIME IS NOTED WHICH MATCHES WITH THE SEX OF THE NATIVE , IF ERROR IS FOUND.

HAVE I UNDERSTOOD THIS THING IN CORRECT MANNER OR YOU ARE TALIKING FOR SOME OTHER METHOD.?

IF YES, KINDLY GIVE SOME BRIEF ABOUT IT.

Third, I use another method for rectification, which I found most convincing. Although this method is not as scientific as RP but more applicable and simple. In various old texts like Garga Samhita, Ravan Samhita and Lal Kitab, results of planets in various houses are given. We can match the present life/ happening with those texts and determine the ascendant. After determining ascendant, we can use RP to fix exact degree of ascendant. It doesn't look as impressive, but I found this method most useful. It looks same as event based rectification but it is not rather it is more matching.

 

Again, waiting for other members' opinion.

Regards,

Anurodh.

 

 

 

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