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Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Nivesh ji, It is simliar to classical astrology. KP System has given the method of finding benefic and malefic planets which looks different from classical. But after coming to the benefic and malefic planets, the remedy method is same. I personallay suggest gems for planet signifying good house and matra, japa, daan and fasts etc. for planet signigying bad houses. Regards, Punit Pandeynivesh_k <nivesh_k wrote: how can a gem stone suggested through kp system and mantropasana using natal horoscope Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Hello Mr. Punit, Do you really feel using a gem or doing mantra, japa or daan or whatever will change or alter the destiny of a person? First of all KP's basis itself is that whatever is destined to happen will happen and nobody can change the fate, isn't it? Astrology is only a guidance to mankind. Even I personally feel whatever is to happen happens... we just act like a tool sometimes. Nothing is in our hands. Even if we are able to change something by gem or whatever, then I would say that also is in the fate. So why all this unnecessarily? Keep doing our prayers daily.... and god will give the strength to face our day. Regards Gowri , Punit Pandey <pandeypunit> wrote: > Nivesh ji, > > It is simliar to classical astrology. KP System has given the method of finding benefic and malefic planets which looks different from classical. But after coming to the benefic and malefic planets, the remedy method is same. I personallay suggest gems for planet signifying good house and matra, japa, daan and fasts etc. for planet signigying bad houses. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > nivesh_k <nivesh_k> wrote: > how can a gem stone suggested through kp system and mantropasana > using natal horoscope > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Dear Gowri May i try to answer you question ? God has given us brains to solve our problems.Don't you take crocin tablet when u have fever ? why do u take your kids to doctor when they fall sick ? let them be at home only...whenever they are destined to get rid of illness,they will be cured. it is easier said than done ! Chinese also believe in three types of lucks,one of them is astro-remedies feng-shui etc. ) . Many times KP's predictions also don't go correct...may be due to astrologer's mis-calculations .even Kp has suggested use of gems in horary astrology book. lalkitab suggests remedies but that also has conditions when remedies will work or not ? My visualisation is : we are like a cow grazing in a grass field. the length of rope thru which we are tied is our fixed destiny.can't go beyond that here KP is very useful ). but within the length of rope we have choice to go where we can get green grass ( here intelligence ( remedies ) is useful to locate green grass ). We don't get rains in israel but it doesn't mean they don't have water, they found a way...rain water harvesting...and showed this method to whole world. with sharp intelligence ( correct astro-remedies ) we can manage malefic effects of planets. hope everybody will take it in a healthy manner. Regards Rajeev K Khattar - " rgowri2000 " <rgowri2000 Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:12 AM Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > Hello Mr. Punit, > Do you really feel using a gem or doing mantra, japa or daan or > whatever will change or alter the destiny of a person? First of all > KP's basis itself is that whatever is destined to happen will happen > and nobody can change the fate, isn't it? Astrology is only a > guidance to mankind. Even I personally feel whatever is to happen > happens... we just act like a tool sometimes. Nothing is in our > hands. Even if we are able to change something by gem or whatever, > then I would say that also is in the fate. So why all this > unnecessarily? Keep doing our prayers daily.... and god will give the > strength to face our day. > Regards > Gowri > > > , Punit Pandey <pandeypunit> > wrote: > > Nivesh ji, > > > > It is simliar to classical astrology. KP System has given the > method of finding benefic and malefic planets which looks different > from classical. But after coming to the benefic and malefic planets, > the remedy method is same. I personallay suggest gems for planet > signifying good house and matra, japa, daan and fasts etc. for planet > signigying bad houses. > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > nivesh_k <nivesh_k> wrote: > > how can a gem stone suggested through kp system and mantropasana > > using natal horoscope > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear friends, Rajeevji has put forward the case for astrology and destiny very succinctly. Well said. I too agree that we do have a modicum of choice given to us. Cheers Yash , Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> wrote: > Dear Gowri > May i try to answer you question ? God has given us brains to solve our > problems.Don't you take crocin tablet when u have fever ? why do u take your > kids to doctor when they fall sick ? let them be at home only...whenever > they are destined to get rid of illness,they will be cured. it is easier > said than done ! > Chinese also believe in three types of lucks,one of them is astro- remedies > feng-shui etc. ) . Many times KP's predictions also don't go correct...may > be due to astrologer's mis-calculations .even Kp has suggested use of gems > in horary astrology book. lalkitab suggests remedies but that also has > conditions when remedies will work or not ? > > My visualisation is : we are like a cow grazing in a grass field. the length > of rope thru which we are tied is our fixed destiny.can't go beyond that > here KP is very useful ). but within the length of rope we have choice to > go where we can get green grass ( here intelligence ( remedies ) is useful > to locate green grass ). > > We don't get rains in israel but it doesn't mean they don't have water, they > found a way...rain water harvesting...and showed this method to whole world. > > with sharp intelligence ( correct astro-remedies ) we can manage malefic > effects of planets. > > hope everybody will take it in a healthy manner. > Regards > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > - > " rgowri2000 " <rgowri2000> > > Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:12 AM > Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > > > > Hello Mr. Punit, > > Do you really feel using a gem or doing mantra, japa or daan or > > whatever will change or alter the destiny of a person? First of all > > KP's basis itself is that whatever is destined to happen will happen > > and nobody can change the fate, isn't it? Astrology is only a > > guidance to mankind. Even I personally feel whatever is to happen > > happens... we just act like a tool sometimes. Nothing is in our > > hands. Even if we are able to change something by gem or whatever, > > then I would say that also is in the fate. So why all this > > unnecessarily? Keep doing our prayers daily.... and god will give the > > strength to face our day. > > Regards > > Gowri > > > > > > , Punit Pandey <pandeypunit> > > wrote: > > > Nivesh ji, > > > > > > It is simliar to classical astrology. KP System has given the > > method of finding benefic and malefic planets which looks different > > from classical. But after coming to the benefic and malefic planets, > > the remedy method is same. I personallay suggest gems for planet > > signifying good house and matra, japa, daan and fasts etc. for planet > > signigying bad houses. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > nivesh_k <nivesh_k> wrote: > > > how can a gem stone suggested through kp system and mantropasana > > > using natal horoscope > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Yash Ji Thanks for your encouraging words.I request other members to express their views on this topic. Regards Rajeev K Khattar - Ice man <yashokumar Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:33 pm Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > Dear friends, > Rajeevji has put forward the case for astrology and destiny very > succinctly. Well said. I too agree that we do have a modicum of > choice given to us. > Cheers > Yash > > , Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> > wrote: > > Dear Gowri > > May i try to answer you question ? God has given us brains to > solve > our > > problems.Don't you take crocin tablet when u have fever ? why do > u > take your > > kids to doctor when they fall sick ? let them be at home > only...whenever > > they are destined to get rid of illness,they will be cured. it > is > easier > > said than done ! > > Chinese also believe in three types of lucks,one of them is > astro- > remedies > > feng-shui etc. ) . Many times KP's predictions also don't go > correct...may > > be due to astrologer's mis-calculations .even Kp has suggested > use > of gems > > in horary astrology book. lalkitab suggests remedies but that > also > has > > conditions when remedies will work or not ? > > > > My visualisation is : we are like a cow grazing in a grass > field. > the length > > of rope thru which we are tied is our fixed destiny.can't go > beyond > that > > here KP is very useful ). but within the length of rope we have > choice to > > go where we can get green grass ( here intelligence ( remedies ) > is > useful > > to locate green grass ). > > > > We don't get rains in israel but it doesn't mean they don't have > water, they > > found a way...rain water harvesting...and showed this method to > whole world. > > > > with sharp intelligence ( correct astro-remedies ) we can manage > malefic > > effects of planets. > > > > hope everybody will take it in a healthy manner. > > Regards > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " rgowri2000 " <rgowri2000> > > > > Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:12 AM > > Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Punit, > > > Do you really feel using a gem or doing mantra, japa or daan or > > > whatever will change or alter the destiny of a person? First > of > all > > > KP's basis itself is that whatever is destined to happen will > happen > > > and nobody can change the fate, isn't it? Astrology is only a > > > guidance to mankind. Even I personally feel whatever is to happen > > > happens... we just act like a tool sometimes. Nothing is in our > > > hands. Even if we are able to change something by gem or whatever, > > > then I would say that also is in the fate. So why all this > > > unnecessarily? Keep doing our prayers daily.... and god will > give > the > > > strength to face our day. > > > Regards > > > Gowri > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey <pandeypunit> > > > wrote: > > > > Nivesh ji, > > > > > > > > It is simliar to classical astrology. KP System has given the > > > method of finding benefic and malefic planets which looks > different > > > from classical. But after coming to the benefic and malefic > planets, > > > the remedy method is same. I personallay suggest gems for planet > > > signifying good house and matra, japa, daan and fasts etc. for > planet > > > signigying bad houses. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > nivesh_k <nivesh_k> wrote: > > > > how can a gem stone suggested through kp system and mantropasana > > > > using natal horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Gowri ji, You have raised the good old question of karma once again. There can be logics and counter-logics and this thread can keep growing. You will find similar thread in nearly all astrology discussion forums i.e the question of free will. I have my opinion and which is quite similar to Sri KSK. I don't believe in free will. There are thousands of logics against it e.g. one given by Shri Khattar ji and those might sounds convincing. But my experience and understanding is just opposite i.e. against the free will. Other than Sri KSK and me, there are few other people supporting this belief. The question of free will was asked to Sri Raman Maharishi and Ram Krishna Paramhamsa. They were of similar opinion. So are remedies useless? In my opinion you can perform remedies only if you are destined to perform them. It is our illusion that we are changing our fate. Now one complex question arises i.e. are we puppet in the hand of creators? Instead of answering it myself, I request you to take the help of Raman Maharshi, Ram Krishna Paramhansa or people of that greatness. Answers are complex and take time to get digested. For example as far as I remember, the answer of Sri Ram Krishana Paramhansa was - our body and we are two different entities. Our body is not free but we are free :-) So we, in context of the body, are not free. It is really difficult for anyone to accept this fact and that's why, I have found most of the astrologers opposing it. Even you and me cannot accept is at completely. If I would have accepted this fact, I had become a saint. According to me, astrology is a tool for teaching this selflessness theory (if you will accept this, you will be able to defeat self - 'mein') and that's why it has made the eyes of Vedas. It is a tool to defeat self and that's why a way to find the ultimate knowledge/ truth/ god/ brahma whatever. In my humble opinion, Jyotisha is also yoga similar to karmayoga, rajtyoga, bhakti yoga, gyana yoga etc. to find the ultimate truth and that is why it is called jyoti-isha, the eyes of god. It is a good enough question to write a book but I just want to finish here. Whatever answered here is based on my belief only and probably I am not the best person to answer such a difficult question. So please take above as my opinion only. Regards, Punit Pandey - lalkitab <lalkitab Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:19:55 +0500 Re: Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana Cc: yashokumar Dear Yash Ji Thanks for your encouraging words.I request other members to express their views on this topic. Regards Rajeev K Khattar - Ice man <yashokumar Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:33 pm Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > Dear friends, > Rajeevji has put forward the case for astrology and destiny very > succinctly. Well said. I too agree that we do have a modicum of > choice given to us. > Cheers > Yash > > , Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> > wrote: > > Dear Gowri > > May i try to answer you question ? God has given us brains to > solve > our > > problems.Don't you take crocin tablet when u have fever ? why do > u > take your > > kids to doctor when they fall sick ? let them be at home > only...whenever > > they are destined to get rid of illness,they will be cured. it > is > easier > > said than done ! > > Chinese also believe in three types of lucks,one of them is > astro- > remedies > > feng-shui etc. ) . Many times KP's predictions also don't go > correct...may > > be due to astrologer's mis-calculations .even Kp has suggested > use > of gems > > in horary astrology book. lalkitab suggests remedies but that > also > has > > conditions when remedies will work or not ? > > > > My visualisation is : we are like a cow grazing in a grass > field. > the length > > of rope thru which we are tied is our fixed destiny.can't go > beyond > that > > here KP is very useful ). but within the length of rope we have > choice to > > go where we can get green grass ( here intelligence ( remedies ) > is > useful > > to locate green grass ). > > > > We don't get rains in israel but it doesn't mean they don't have > water, they > > found a way...rain water harvesting...and showed this method to > whole world. > > > > with sharp intelligence ( correct astro-remedies ) we can manage > malefic > > effects of planets. > > > > hope everybody will take it in a healthy manner. > > Regards > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " rgowri2000 " <rgowri2000> > > > > Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:12 AM > > Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Punit, > > > Do you really feel using a gem or doing mantra, japa or daan or > > > whatever will change or alter the destiny of a person? First > of > all > > > KP's basis itself is that whatever is destined to happen will > happen > > > and nobody can change the fate, isn't it? Astrology is only a > > > guidance to mankind. Even I personally feel whatever is to happen > > > happens... we just act like a tool sometimes. Nothing is in our > > > hands. Even if we are able to change something by gem or whatever, > > > then I would say that also is in the fate. So why all this > > > unnecessarily? Keep doing our prayers daily.... and god will > give > the > > > strength to face our day. > > > Regards > > > Gowri > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey <pandeypunit> > > > wrote: > > > > Nivesh ji, > > > > > > > > It is simliar to classical astrology. KP System has given the > > > method of finding benefic and malefic planets which looks > different > > > from classical. But after coming to the benefic and malefic > planets, > > > the remedy method is same. I personallay suggest gems for planet > > > signifying good house and matra, japa, daan and fasts etc. for > planet > > > signigying bad houses. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > nivesh_k <nivesh_k> wrote: > > > > how can a gem stone suggested through kp system and mantropasana > > > > using natal horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Namaste Rajeev K Khattar ji ! Well said. I appreciate your point about REMEDIAL MESURES. Yes, We can reduce the effect of the particular event,but will not be eliminated.That is totally out of our hands.we have to enjoy the Karma which we have done in the previous life. Even respected Guruji Krishnamurthy(KP) garu also told about KARMIC THEORY. Our 3 rd house shows next life. 9 th House shows previous Life.That is poorvapunya sthana.and before suggeting remedies, Astrologer has to check whether the remedies works for the particular native or not? This concept is called as FREE WILL REMEDY concept.Anyway thanks a lot for giving this opprtunity to share my views with you.Nobody will escape from the prevoius life Karma hands. With respects GM Ravi Kumar KP Astrologer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Dear Rajeev ji and Mr. Punit, First of all I should thank Rajeev ji for the response to this issue. He has presented his view very beautifully. Yes to some extent it may be true. But tell me, if this works as you say in all the cases, why there is so much of restlessness, anxiety, mental agony and no peace of mind among the people in this world? Everybody can perform the remedial measures, get rid of their problems very easily and be happy. At that point the karma theory also becomes invalid. Even I have seen personally, lot of people perform so many things but ultimately not getting rid of the problems. One thing I have understood from the stride of life is that we only get used to accepting and living with our problems. Subsequently, sometimes we also find ways to tackle it. Since our lives are full of events experiences, the intensity and effect of the first problem is forgotten when the second problem comes. This is where prayers help. This gives immense mental strength to face our day. Yes. In a way, I accept and agree Punit's view point in this. Regards Gowri , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > Gowri ji, > > You have raised the good old question of karma once again. There can > be logics and counter-logics and this thread can keep growing. You > will find similar thread in nearly all astrology discussion forums i.e > the question of free will. > > I have my opinion and which is quite similar to Sri KSK. I don't > believe in free will. There are thousands of logics against it e.g. > one given by Shri Khattar ji and those might sounds convincing. But my > experience and understanding is just opposite i.e. against the free > will. > > Other than Sri KSK and me, there are few other people supporting this > belief. The question of free will was asked to Sri Raman Maharishi and > Ram Krishna Paramhamsa. They were of similar opinion. > > So are remedies useless? In my opinion you can perform remedies only > if you are destined to perform them. It is our illusion that we are > changing our fate. Now one complex question arises i.e. are we puppet > in the hand of creators? Instead of answering it myself, I request you > to take the help of Raman Maharshi, Ram Krishna Paramhansa or people > of that greatness. Answers are complex and take time to get digested. > For example as far as I remember, the answer of Sri Ram Krishana > Paramhansa was - our body and we are two different entities. Our body > is not free but we are free :-) So we, in context of the body, are not > free. > > It is really difficult for anyone to accept this fact and that's why, > I have found most of the astrologers opposing it. Even you and me > cannot accept is at completely. If I would have accepted this fact, I > had become a saint. According to me, astrology is a tool for teaching > this selflessness theory (if you will accept this, you will be able to > defeat self - 'mein') and that's why it has made the eyes of Vedas. It > is a tool to defeat self and that's why a way to find the ultimate > knowledge/ truth/ god/ brahma whatever. In my humble opinion, Jyotisha > is also yoga similar to karmayoga, rajtyoga, bhakti yoga, gyana yoga > etc. to find the ultimate truth and that is why it is called > jyoti-isha, the eyes of god. > > It is a good enough question to write a book but I just want to finish > here. Whatever answered here is based on my belief only and probably I > am not the best person to answer such a difficult question. So please > take above as my opinion only. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > > - > lalkitab@v... <lalkitab@v...> > Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:19:55 +0500 > Re: Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > > Cc: yashokumar > > Dear Yash Ji > Thanks for your encouraging words.I request other members to express > their views on this topic. > Regards > Rajeev K Khattar > > - > Ice man <yashokumar> > Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:33 pm > Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > > > Dear friends, > > Rajeevji has put forward the case for astrology and destiny very > > succinctly. Well said. I too agree that we do have a modicum of > > choice given to us. > > Cheers > > Yash > > > > , Rajeev KKhattar <lalkitab@v...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Gowri > > > May i try to answer you question ? God has given us brains to > > solve > > our > > > problems.Don't you take crocin tablet when u have fever ? why do > > u > > take your > > > kids to doctor when they fall sick ? let them be at home > > only...whenever > > > they are destined to get rid of illness,they will be cured. it > > is > > easier > > > said than done ! > > > Chinese also believe in three types of lucks,one of them is > > astro- > > remedies > > > feng-shui etc. ) . Many times KP's predictions also don't go > > correct...may > > > be due to astrologer's mis-calculations .even Kp has suggested > > use > > of gems > > > in horary astrology book. lalkitab suggests remedies but that > > also > > has > > > conditions when remedies will work or not ? > > > > > > My visualisation is : we are like a cow grazing in a grass > > field. > > the length > > > of rope thru which we are tied is our fixed destiny.can't go > > beyond > > that > > > here KP is very useful ). but within the length of rope we have > > choice to > > > go where we can get green grass ( here intelligence ( remedies ) > > is > > useful > > > to locate green grass ). > > > > > > We don't get rains in israel but it doesn't mean they don't have > > water, they > > > found a way...rain water harvesting...and showed this method to > > whole world. > > > > > > with sharp intelligence ( correct astro-remedies ) we can manage > > malefic > > > effects of planets. > > > > > > hope everybody will take it in a healthy manner. > > > Regards > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > " rgowri2000 " <rgowri2000> > > > > > > Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:12 AM > > > Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > > > > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Punit, > > > > Do you really feel using a gem or doing mantra, japa or daan or > > > > whatever will change or alter the destiny of a person? First > > of > > all > > > > KP's basis itself is that whatever is destined to happen will > > happen > > > > and nobody can change the fate, isn't it? Astrology is only a > > > > guidance to mankind. Even I personally feel whatever is to happen > > > > happens... we just act like a tool sometimes. Nothing is in our > > > > hands. Even if we are able to change something by gem or whatever, > > > > then I would say that also is in the fate. So why all this > > > > unnecessarily? Keep doing our prayers daily.... and god will > > give > > the > > > > strength to face our day. > > > > Regards > > > > Gowri > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey <pandeypunit> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Nivesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > It is simliar to classical astrology. KP System has given the > > > > method of finding benefic and malefic planets which looks > > different > > > > from classical. But after coming to the benefic and malefic > > planets, > > > > the remedy method is same. I personallay suggest gems for planet > > > > signifying good house and matra, japa, daan and fasts etc. for > > planet > > > > signigying bad houses. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > nivesh_k <nivesh_k> wrote: > > > > > how can a gem stone suggested through kp system and mantropasana > > > > > using natal horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 This debate can go endless and Punit Ji is right that a book can be written on this topic...and many have been written also. May be becuase i am influenced by Mars in my horoscope very much so i have lots of fighting spirit and don't want to lose any battle till last breath. This discussion gave a new dimension..that if a person is influenced by mars,he will not believe in surrendering completely and on the other hand if influenced by saturn,he will surrender completely to God.If influenced by Jupiter then he will try to surrender and will make others also to follow the path of selflessness. I think Gowri Ji has influence of saturn and Punit ji has influence of Jupiter ......... any comments.? Regards Rajeev K Khattar - rgowri2000 <rgowri2000 Friday, August 13, 2004 11:01 pm Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > Dear Rajeev ji and Mr. Punit, > First of all I should thank Rajeev ji for the response to this > issue. > He has presented his view very beautifully. Yes to some extent it > may > be true. But tell me, if this works as you say in all the cases, > why > there is so much of restlessness, anxiety, mental agony and no > peace > of mind among the people in this world? Everybody can perform the > remedial measures, get rid of their problems very easily and be > happy. At that point the karma theory also becomes invalid. > Even I have seen personally, lot of people perform so many things > but > ultimately not getting rid of the problems. One thing I have > understood from the stride of life is that we only get used to > accepting and living with our problems. Subsequently, sometimes we > also find ways to tackle it. Since our lives are full of events > experiences, the intensity and effect of the first problem is > forgotten when the second problem comes. This is where prayers > help. > This gives immense mental strength to face our day. > Yes. In a way, I accept and agree Punit's view point in this. > Regards > Gowri > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > Gowri ji, > > > > You have raised the good old question of karma once again. There can > > be logics and counter-logics and this thread can keep growing. You > > will find similar thread in nearly all astrology discussion > forums > i.e > > the question of free will. > > > > I have my opinion and which is quite similar to Sri KSK. I don't > > believe in free will. There are thousands of logics against it e.g. > > one given by Shri Khattar ji and those might sounds convincing. > But > my > > experience and understanding is just opposite i.e. against the free > > will. > > > > Other than Sri KSK and me, there are few other people supporting > this > > belief. The question of free will was asked to Sri Raman > Maharishi > and > > Ram Krishna Paramhamsa. They were of similar opinion. > > > > So are remedies useless? In my opinion you can perform remedies only > > if you are destined to perform them. It is our illusion that we are > > changing our fate. Now one complex question arises i.e. are we > puppet > > in the hand of creators? Instead of answering it myself, I > request > you > > to take the help of Raman Maharshi, Ram Krishna Paramhansa or people > > of that greatness. Answers are complex and take time to get > digested. > > For example as far as I remember, the answer of Sri Ram Krishana > > Paramhansa was - our body and we are two different entities. Our > body > > is not free but we are free :-) So we, in context of the body, > are > not > > free. > > > > It is really difficult for anyone to accept this fact and that's > why, > > I have found most of the astrologers opposing it. Even you and me > > cannot accept is at completely. If I would have accepted this > fact, > I > > had become a saint. According to me, astrology is a tool for > teaching > > this selflessness theory (if you will accept this, you will be > able > to > > defeat self - 'mein') and that's why it has made the eyes of > Vedas. > It > > is a tool to defeat self and that's why a way to find the ultimate > > knowledge/ truth/ god/ brahma whatever. In my humble opinion, > Jyotisha > > is also yoga similar to karmayoga, rajtyoga, bhakti yoga, gyana yoga > > etc. to find the ultimate truth and that is why it is called > > jyoti-isha, the eyes of god. > > > > It is a good enough question to write a book but I just want to > finish > > here. Whatever answered here is based on my belief only and > probably I > > am not the best person to answer such a difficult question. So > please > > take above as my opinion only. > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > - > > lalkitab@v... <lalkitab@v...> > > Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:19:55 +0500 > > Re: Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > > > > Cc: yashokumar > > > > Dear Yash Ji > > Thanks for your encouraging words.I request other members to express > > their views on this topic. > > Regards > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > - > > Ice man <yashokumar> > > Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:33 pm > > Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > > > > > Dear friends, > > > Rajeevji has put forward the case for astrology and destiny > very > > > succinctly. Well said. I too agree that we do have a modicum > of > > > choice given to us. > > > Cheers > > > Yash > > > > > > , Rajeev KKhattar > <lalkitab@v...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Gowri > > > > May i try to answer you question ? God has given us brains > to > > > solve > > > our > > > > problems.Don't you take crocin tablet when u have fever ? > why > do > > > u > > > take your > > > > kids to doctor when they fall sick ? let them be at home > > > only...whenever > > > > they are destined to get rid of illness,they will be cured. > it > > > is > > > easier > > > > said than done ! > > > > Chinese also believe in three types of lucks,one of them is > > > astro- > > > remedies > > > > feng-shui etc. ) . Many times KP's predictions also don't > go > > > correct...may > > > > be due to astrologer's mis-calculations .even Kp has > suggested > > > use > > > of gems > > > > in horary astrology book. lalkitab suggests remedies but > that > > > also > > > has > > > > conditions when remedies will work or not ? > > > > > > > > My visualisation is : we are like a cow grazing in a grass > > > field. > > > the length > > > > of rope thru which we are tied is our fixed destiny.can't go > > > beyond > > > that > > > > here KP is very useful ). but within the length of rope we > have > > > choice to > > > > go where we can get green grass ( here intelligence ( > remedies ) > > > is > > > useful > > > > to locate green grass ). > > > > > > > > We don't get rains in israel but it doesn't mean they don't > have > > > water, they > > > > found a way...rain water harvesting...and showed this method > to > > > whole world. > > > > > > > > with sharp intelligence ( correct astro-remedies ) we can > manage > > > malefic > > > > effects of planets. > > > > > > > > hope everybody will take it in a healthy manner. > > > > Regards > > > > Rajeev K Khattar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " rgowri2000 " <rgowri2000> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:12 AM > > > > Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Punit, > > > > > Do you really feel using a gem or doing mantra, japa or > daan > or > > > > > whatever will change or alter the destiny of a person? > First > > > of > > > all > > > > > KP's basis itself is that whatever is destined to happen > will > > > happen > > > > > and nobody can change the fate, isn't it? Astrology is > only a > > > > > guidance to mankind. Even I personally feel whatever is to > happen > > > > > happens... we just act like a tool sometimes. Nothing is > in > our > > > > > hands. Even if we are able to change something by gem or > whatever, > > > > > then I would say that also is in the fate. So why all this > > > > > unnecessarily? Keep doing our prayers daily.... and god > will > > > give > > > the > > > > > strength to face our day. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Gowri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > <pandeypunit> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Nivesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simliar to classical astrology. KP System has > given > the > > > > > method of finding benefic and malefic planets which looks > > > different > > > > > from classical. But after coming to the benefic and > malefic > > > planets, > > > > > the remedy method is same. I personallay suggest gems for > planet > > > > > signifying good house and matra, japa, daan and fasts etc. > for > > > planet > > > > > signigying bad houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > nivesh_k <nivesh_k> wrote: > > > > > > how can a gem stone suggested through kp system and > mantropasana > > > > > > using natal horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 Dear Rajeevji, You are right. This can indeed go endlessly. And thanks for the mars influencing you... which gave us chance to share our views. Regards Gowrilalkitab wrote: This debate can go endless and Punit Ji is right that a book can be written on this topic...and many have been written also.May be becuase i am influenced by Mars in my horoscope very much so i have lots of fighting spirit and don't want to lose any battle till last breath.This discussion gave a new dimension..that if a person is influenced by mars,he will not believe in surrendering completely and on the other hand if influenced by saturn,he will surrender completely to God.If influenced by Jupiter then he will try to surrender and will make others also to follow the path of selflessness.I think Gowri Ji has influence of saturn and Punit ji has influence of Jupiter ........ any comments.? RegardsRajeev K Khattar-rgowri2000 <rgowri2000Friday, August 13, 2004 11:01 pm Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana> Dear Rajeev ji and Mr. Punit,> First of all I should thank Rajeev ji for the response to this > issue. > He has presented his view very beautifully. Yes to some extent it > may > be true. But tell me, if this works as you say in all the cases, > why > there is so much of restlessness, anxiety, mental agony and no > peace > of mind among the people in this world? Everybody can perform the > remedial measures, get rid of their problems very easily and be > happy. At that point the karma theory also becomes invalid. > Even I have seen personally, lot of people perform so many things > but > ultimately not getting rid of the problems. One thing I have > understood from the stride of life is that we only get used to > accepting and living with our problems. Subsequently, sometimes we > also find ways to tackle it. Since our lives are full of events > experiences, the intensity and effect of the first problem is > forgotten when the second problem comes. This is where prayers > help. > This gives immense mental strength to face our day. > Yes. In a way, I accept and agree Punit's view point in this.> Regards> Gowri> > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Gowri ji,> > > > You have raised the good old question of karma once again. There can> > be logics and counter-logics and this thread can keep growing. You> > will find similar thread in nearly all astrology discussion > forums > i.e> > the question of free will.> > > > I have my opinion and which is quite similar to Sri KSK. I don't> > believe in free will. There are thousands of logics against it e.g.> > one given by Shri Khattar ji and those might sounds convincing. > But > my> > experience and understanding is just opposite i.e. against the free> > will.> > > > Other than Sri KSK and me, there are few other people supporting > this> > belief. The question of free will was asked to Sri Raman > Maharishi > and> > Ram Krishna Paramhamsa. They were of similar opinion.> > > > So are remedies useless? In my opinion you can perform remedies only> > if you are destined to perform them. It is our illusion that we are> > changing our fate. Now one complex question arises i.e. are we > puppet> > in the hand of creators? Instead of answering it myself, I > request > you> > to take the help of Raman Maharshi, Ram Krishna Paramhansa or people> > of that greatness. Answers are complex and take time to get > digested.> > For example as far as I remember, the answer of Sri Ram Krishana> > Paramhansa was - our body and we are two different entities. Our > body> > is not free but we are free :-) So we, in context of the body, > are > not> > free.> > > > It is really difficult for anyone to accept this fact and that's > why,> > I have found most of the astrologers opposing it. Even you and me> > cannot accept is at completely. If I would have accepted this > fact, > I> > had become a saint. According to me, astrology is a tool for > teaching> > this selflessness theory (if you will accept this, you will be > able > to> > defeat self - 'mein') and that's why it has made the eyes of > Vedas. > It> > is a tool to defeat self and that's why a way to find the ultimate> > knowledge/ truth/ god/ brahma whatever. In my humble opinion, > Jyotisha> > is also yoga similar to karmayoga, rajtyoga, bhakti yoga, gyana yoga> > etc. to find the ultimate truth and that is why it is called> > jyoti-isha, the eyes of god.> > > > It is a good enough question to write a book but I just want to > finish> > here. Whatever answered here is based on my belief only and > probably I> > am not the best person to answer such a difficult question. So > please> > take above as my opinion only.> > > > Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > -> > lalkitab@v... <lalkitab@v...>> > Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:19:55 +0500> > Re: Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana> > To: > > Cc: yashokumar> > > > Dear Yash Ji> > Thanks for your encouraging words.I request other members to express> > their views on this topic.> > Regards> > Rajeev K Khattar> > > > -> > Ice man <yashokumar>> > Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:33 pm> > Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana> > > > > Dear friends,> > > Rajeevji has put forward the case for astrology and destiny > very > > > succinctly. Well said. I too agree that we do have a modicum > of > > > choice given to us.> > > Cheers> > > Yash> > > > > > , Rajeev KKhattar > <lalkitab@v...> > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Gowri> > > > May i try to answer you question ? God has given us brains > to > > > solve > > > our> > > > problems.Don't you take crocin tablet when u have fever ? > why > do > > > u > > > take your> > > > kids to doctor when they fall sick ? let them be at home > > > only...whenever> > > > they are destined to get rid of illness,they will be cured. > it > > > is > > > easier> > > > said than done !> > > > Chinese also believe in three types of lucks,one of them is > > > astro-> > > remedies> > > > feng-shui etc. ) . Many times KP's predictions also don't > go > > > correct...may> > > > be due to astrologer's mis-calculations .even Kp has > suggested > > > use > > > of gems> > > > in horary astrology book. lalkitab suggests remedies but > that > > > also > > > has> > > > conditions when remedies will work or not ?> > > > > > > > My visualisation is : we are like a cow grazing in a grass > > > field. > > > the length> > > > of rope thru which we are tied is our fixed destiny.can't go > > > beyond > > > that> > > > here KP is very useful ). but within the length of rope we > have > > > choice to> > > > go where we can get green grass ( here intelligence ( > remedies ) > > > is > > > useful> > > > to locate green grass ).> > > > > > > > We don't get rains in israel but it doesn't mean they don't > have > > > water, they> > > > found a way...rain water harvesting...and showed this method > to > > > whole world.> > > > > > > > with sharp intelligence ( correct astro-remedies ) we can > manage > > > malefic> > > > effects of planets.> > > > > > > > hope everybody will take it in a healthy manner.> > > > Regards> > > > Rajeev K Khattar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > "rgowri2000" <rgowri2000>> > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:12 AM> > > > Re: suggesting gem stone and mantropasana> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Punit,> > > > > Do you really feel using a gem or doing mantra, japa or > daan > or> > > > > whatever will change or alter the destiny of a person? > First > > > of > > > all> > > > > KP's basis itself is that whatever is destined to happen > will > > > happen> > > > > and nobody can change the fate, isn't it? Astrology is > only a> > > > > guidance to mankind. Even I personally feel whatever is to > happen> > > > > happens... we just act like a tool sometimes. Nothing is > in > our> > > > > hands. Even if we are able to change something by gem or > whatever,> > > > > then I would say that also is in the fate. So why all this> > > > > unnecessarily? Keep doing our prayers daily.... and god > will > > > give > > > the> > > > > strength to face our day.> > > > > Regards> > > > > Gowri> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Punit Pandey > <pandeypunit>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Nivesh ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > It is simliar to classical astrology. KP System has > given > the> > > > > method of finding benefic and malefic planets which looks > > > different> > > > > from classical. But after coming to the benefic and > malefic > > > planets,> > > > > the remedy method is same. I personallay suggest gems for > planet> > > > > signifying good house and matra, japa, daan and fasts etc. > for > > > planet> > > > > signigying bad houses.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > >> > > > > > nivesh_k <nivesh_k> wrote:> > > > > > how can a gem stone suggested through kp system and > mantropasana> > > > > > using natal horoscope> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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