Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Dear Menbers, Shreenivas Upadhyay ji is very correct and ron is very near. Native celebrate his marriage on 19/2/1990. Shri Upadhyay ji give very good interpretation so I do not repet. WHY I POST THIS KPBC? (1)Planet aspect by significator is also work as agent for significator & when Outer planet aspect inner planet, inner planet has to do work for outer planet (in our case MOON work for MAR, MAR not work for MOON) (2) Node give result of planet firstly who aspect him (3) For dhan Lagna 7th is Marka and Badhaka 2nd marka. We consider 2,7,11 for marriage and 2, 7 as badhaka and maraka. I think most of our will consider as accident. ( actually TW and Ron both give weight on accident.) DBA on 19/2/1990 was SAT-SAT-MOON SAT signify 2nd but MOON not signify directly 2,7,11 cusp.but MOON give result for MAR (conj) and RAH (SL). Mar is lord of 11 and Rahu aspect by SUN and MER Sun is In 2nd and MER also in 2nd and lord of 7th. Badhaka for Dhan Lagna is 7th. And marka is 2.7 so most of are confuse Whether it was marriage or accident? kanak bosmia >rongaunt <rongaunt > > > KPBC 5 >Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:01:25 +1000 > > >Enclosed are details for KPBC 5. Respondents should post by >Friday 00:01am 7th January 05 GMT, after which the answer will be >posted direct to the List by the querist. > >DOB:25 FEB.1961 >TOB:04:20 AM >POB: AMRELI(SAURASTRA) INDIA >LAT:21 N 36 >LONG:71 E 12 > > What happened on 19 FEB 1990 ? > > >Ron Gaunt > Find the music you love with MSN Music – tracks are just 99c! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Dear Shreenivas Upadhyay, Congratulations for the accurate prediction. Best regards, tw , " Kanakkumar Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 et al, This was an interesting exercise. Blind Charts put to the test our preconceptions and ideas, and show us how we can so easily fall into bad habits. It certainly shows us where we are wrong, hence is an excellent learning tool. But for all you lurkers, you really do need to participate to get the benefit. A quick reading of others ideas does not cement the learning process. There is no lack of expertise in being wrong! A Blind Chart encompasses everything possible; and is much more difficult than seeing clients who provide initial feedback which gives direction to delineation. Congratulations to Shreenivas Upadhyay on getting this BC correct. Just one point for S.U. You state " So Mo also signify 2,7 & 9 " Can you let me know why Mo signifies these houses? I must say that I was really fascinated by the tremendous emphasis on the 8th house in this native's chart. He has no less than five planets in Star Lord Rahu, and another two in Sun - all related to the 8th. His 2nd house is likewise extremely significant, creating a powerful axis in his chart. I would like to look in particular at one planet common to both the 2nd and 8th house which was not touched by other participants. This is Ketu. Ketu in the natal chart is close conjunct natal Sun Lord of the 8th house. Also Ketu is in the Star of Rahu in the 8th house and sub of Mercury Lord of the Seventh House. Natal Ketu closely aspects Moon (conjunction Mars) and they have the same Star and Sub Lords. Moon is also Lord of the 8th house. Therefore Ketu signifies 7th and 8th houses. In KP all aspects of marriage are signified by the 7th house (together with 2nd and 11th). However, in other schools (notably SATVA - Systems Approach to Vedic Astrology) whilst the 7th is invariably noted as relating to marriage in general, the marriage tie (ie legal betrothal) is shown as being the 8th house. This is presumably because 8th is the 2nd to 7th ie. acquisition of partner, also the legal process. Furthermore, the 8th house rasi Lagna (Known as MEP - Most Effective Place) is considered relevant in this tie. In the last Solar Eclipse before the marriage Ketu was on the MEP of the 8th house. It is unlikely that a SATVA practitioner would have recognized this as a marriage signal because Rahu and Ketu are considered malefic in conjunction with MEPs. However looking at it from a KP point of view, SE Ketu is in the Star of Mercury Lord of the 7th, therefore refers to partner and marriage state. In the SE Ketu was in the sub of Mars. As Mars is Lord of the 12th house marriage would not take place in this sub. The next sub is Moon. So we have Star Lord Mercury, sub Lord Moon ie. 7th and 8th house Lords together. Ketu had moved into this position by transit on the day of the weddingand was still on the MEP of the 8th house. This could represent marriage being legally enacted. Note also that on the day of the wedding Moon on the 11th house MEP was also in the Star of Mercury and sub of Moon - being exactly aspected by trine transit with Ketu. I am not trying to rewrite the KP textbooks, but it is provocative that if one considers the 8th house as marriage tie, KP then clearly shows Ketu as the marriage and marriage tie planet. Furthermore transit Ketu is then in exactly the correct position to celebrate the marriage on the day of the event ie on the MEP of the 8th house. Also natal Ketu proxies for natal Moon by close trine aspect, and Moon is the dasa anthara Lord. Ron Gaunt PS. For those who have studied the SATVA System there may appear to be a conflict in that SATVA considers the MEPs as cusps, whereas KP uses the Placidean Cusp System. If we consider that MEPs are simply 12th harmonics of the natal chart (which is what they are) and relevant to rasis rather than houses, this solves the problem of thinking in terms of two different house systems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:05:20 -0800, you wrote: Dear Menbers, Shreenivas Upadhyay ji is very correct and ron is very near. Native celebrate his marriage on 19/2/1990. Shri Upadhyay ji give very good interpretation so I do not repet. WHY I POST THIS KPBC? (1)Planet aspect by significator is also work as agent for significator & when Outer planet aspect inner planet, inner planet has to do work for outer planet (in our case MOON work for MAR, MAR not work for MOON) (2) Node give result of planet firstly who aspect him (3) For dhan Lagna 7th is Marka and Badhaka 2nd marka. We consider 2,7,11 for marriage and 2, 7 as badhaka and maraka. I think most of our will consider as accident. ( actually TW and Ron both give weight on accident.) DBA on 19/2/1990 was SAT-SAT-MOON SAT signify 2nd but MOON not signify directly 2,7,11 cusp.but MOON give result for MAR (conj) and RAH (SL). Mar is lord of 11 and Rahu aspect by SUN and MER Sun is In 2nd and MER also in 2nd and lord of 7th. Badhaka for Dhan Lagna is 7th. And marka is 2.7 so most of are confuse Whether it was marriage or accident? kanak bosmia >rongaunt <rongaunt > > > KPBC 5 >Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:01:25 +1000 > > >Enclosed are details for KPBC 5. Respondents should post by >Friday 00:01am 7th January 05 GMT, after which the answer will be >posted direct to the List by the querist. > >DOB:25 FEB.1961 >TOB:04:20 AM >POB: AMRELI(SAURASTRA) INDIA >LAT:21 N 36 >LONG:71 E 12 > > What happened on 19 FEB 1990 ? > > >Ron Gaunt > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Dear Kanakkumar Bosmia, 1. Generally 8th is a major significator for accident. Accident is emphisized because of 6th & 8th (KP Reader III, 1984, p 249, " Will I meet with any accident in my journey? " ), not confused with maraka. 2. Aspect influence, inner or outer, is the last priority significator which is not usually taken into account. 3. In that case no planet is conjunct with Rahu and so second priority aspect significator becomes as first priority. Anyway it's interesting that there is no effect of second priority significator 8th related to Sun, Moo, Mar & Mer and 6th to Moo & Mer. 4. Also worthy to remember invironment nature of KP, i.e. marka is more likely marriage at middle age, death at older age. Best regards, tw , " Kanakkumar Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Dear Ron, As Moon is in the Star of Rahu, Moon has to give the result of the star lord. Rahu being in the sign owned by Sun and also being aspected by Sun, I gave much importance to Sun's significations. As planets in the star of occupants are stronger to give the result.. I considered Rahu to signify 2 house strongly.. I have not considered the Bhadhaka aspect that why I did not interprete the accident scenario. Regards, Upadhyaya rongaunt [rongaunt] Saturday, January 08, 2005 7:14 AM Re: KPBC 5 - Result et al, This was an interesting exercise. Blind Charts put to the test our preconceptions and ideas, and show us how we can so easily fall into bad habits. It certainly shows us where we are wrong, hence is an excellent learning tool. But for all you lurkers, you really do need to participate to get the benefit. A quick reading of others ideas does not cement the learning process. There is no lack of expertise in being wrong! A Blind Chart encompasses everything possible; and is much more difficult than seeing clients who provide initial feedback which gives direction to delineation. Congratulations to Shreenivas Upadhyay on getting this BC correct. Just one point for S.U. You state " So Mo also signify 2,7 & 9 " Can you let me know why Mo signifies these houses? I must say that I was really fascinated by the tremendous emphasis on the 8th house in this native's chart. He has no less than five planets in Star Lord Rahu, and another two in Sun - all related to the 8th. His 2nd house is likewise extremely significant, creating a powerful axis in his chart. I would like to look in particular at one planet common to both the 2nd and 8th house which was not touched by other participants. This is Ketu. Ketu in the natal chart is close conjunct natal Sun Lord of the 8th house. Also Ketu is in the Star of Rahu in the 8th house and sub of Mercury Lord of the Seventh House. Natal Ketu closely aspects Moon (conjunction Mars) and they have the same Star and Sub Lords. Moon is also Lord of the 8th house. Therefore Ketu signifies 7th and 8th houses. In KP all aspects of marriage are signified by the 7th house (together with 2nd and 11th). However, in other schools (notably SATVA - Systems Approach to Vedic Astrology) whilst the 7th is invariably noted as relating to marriage in general, the marriage tie (ie legal betrothal) is shown as being the 8th house. This is presumably because 8th is the 2nd to 7th ie. acquisition of partner, also the legal process. Furthermore, the 8th house rasi Lagna (Known as MEP - Most Effective Place) is considered relevant in this tie. In the last Solar Eclipse before the marriage Ketu was on the MEP of the 8th house. It is unlikely that a SATVA practitioner would have recognized this as a marriage signal because Rahu and Ketu are considered malefic in conjunction with MEPs. However looking at it from a KP point of view, SE Ketu is in the Star of Mercury Lord of the 7th, therefore refers to partner and marriage state. In the SE Ketu was in the sub of Mars. As Mars is Lord of the 12th house marriage would not take place in this sub. The next sub is Moon. So we have Star Lord Mercury, sub Lord Moon ie. 7th and 8th house Lords together. Ketu had moved into this position by transit on the day of the weddingand was still on the MEP of the 8th house. This could represent marriage being legally enacted. Note also that on the day of the wedding Moon on the 11th house MEP was also in the Star of Mercury and sub of Moon - being exactly aspected by trine transit with Ketu. I am not trying to rewrite the KP textbooks, but it is provocative that if one considers the 8th house as marriage tie, KP then clearly shows Ketu as the marriage and marriage tie planet. Furthermore transit Ketu is then in exactly the correct position to celebrate the marriage on the day of the event ie on the MEP of the 8th house. Also natal Ketu proxies for natal Moon by close trine aspect, and Moon is the dasa anthara Lord. Ron Gaunt PS. For those who have studied the SATVA System there may appear to be a conflict in that SATVA considers the MEPs as cusps, whereas KP uses the Placidean Cusp System. If we consider that MEPs are simply 12th harmonics of the natal chart (which is what they are) and relevant to rasis rather than houses, this solves the problem of thinking in terms of two different house systems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:05:20 -0800, you wrote: Dear Menbers, Shreenivas Upadhyay ji is very correct and ron is very near. Native celebrate his marriage on 19/2/1990. Shri Upadhyay ji give very good interpretation so I do not repet. WHY I POST THIS KPBC? (1)Planet aspect by significator is also work as agent for significator & when Outer planet aspect inner planet, inner planet has to do work for outer planet (in our case MOON work for MAR, MAR not work for MOON) (2) Node give result of planet firstly who aspect him (3) For dhan Lagna 7th is Marka and Badhaka 2nd marka. We consider 2,7,11 for marriage and 2, 7 as badhaka and maraka. I think most of our will consider as accident. ( actually TW and Ron both give weight on accident.) DBA on 19/2/1990 was SAT-SAT-MOON SAT signify 2nd but MOON not signify directly 2,7,11 cusp.but MOON give result for MAR (conj) and RAH (SL). Mar is lord of 11 and Rahu aspect by SUN and MER Sun is In 2nd and MER also in 2nd and lord of 7th. Badhaka for Dhan Lagna is 7th. And marka is 2.7 so most of are confuse Whether it was marriage or accident? kanak bosmia >rongaunt <rongaunt > > > KPBC 5 >Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:01:25 +1000 > > >Enclosed are details for KPBC 5. Respondents should post by >Friday 00:01am 7th January 05 GMT, after which the answer will be >posted direct to the List by the querist. > >DOB:25 FEB.1961 >TOB:04:20 AM >POB: AMRELI(SAURASTRA) INDIA >LAT:21 N 36 >LONG:71 E 12 > > What happened on 19 FEB 1990 ? > > >Ron Gaunt > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Dear Members, Thank you Regards, Upadhyaya tw853 [tw853] Saturday, January 08, 2005 5:19 AM Re: KPBC 5 - Result Dear Shreenivas Upadhyay, Congratulations for the accurate prediction. Best regards, tw , " Kanakkumar Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Dear Shreenivas Upadhyay, Congratulations! All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com Kanakkumar Bosmia [kanbosastro] Friday, January 07, 2005 8:05 AM KPBC 5 - Result Dear Menbers, Shreenivas Upadhyay ji is very correct and ron is very near. Native celebrate his marriage on 19/2/1990. Shri Upadhyay ji give very good interpretation so I do not repet. WHY I POST THIS KPBC? (1)Planet aspect by significator is also work as agent for significator & when Outer planet aspect inner planet, inner planet has to do work for outer planet (in our case MOON work for MAR, MAR not work for MOON) (2) Node give result of planet firstly who aspect him (3) For dhan Lagna 7th is Marka and Badhaka 2nd marka. We consider 2,7,11 for marriage and 2, 7 as badhaka and maraka. I think most of our will consider as accident. ( actually TW and Ron both give weight on accident.) DBA on 19/2/1990 was SAT-SAT-MOON SAT signify 2nd but MOON not signify directly 2,7,11 cusp.but MOON give result for MAR (conj) and RAH (SL). Mar is lord of 11 and Rahu aspect by SUN and MER Sun is In 2nd and MER also in 2nd and lord of 7th. Badhaka for Dhan Lagna is 7th. And marka is 2.7 so most of are confuse Whether it was marriage or accident? kanak bosmia >rongaunt <rongaunt > > > KPBC 5 >Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:01:25 +1000 > > >Enclosed are details for KPBC 5. Respondents should post by >Friday 00:01am 7th January 05 GMT, after which the answer will be >posted direct to the List by the querist. > >DOB:25 FEB.1961 >TOB:04:20 AM >POB: AMRELI(SAURASTRA) INDIA >LAT:21 N 36 >LONG:71 E 12 > > What happened on 19 FEB 1990 ? > > >Ron Gaunt > Find the music you love with MSN Music – tracks are just 99c! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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