Blank house in KP - - - Itercepted or Floater

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Dear Sourav Guchhait and All Members,

 

1. This subject was discussed in this Group under " dual lordship " .

In KP a " house " commences from the cusp of a house and ends with the

succeeding cusp, e.g. in the case of KPBC6, KSK's demonstration

example expalined in three Readers: a) KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1,

pp 139-144; (b) KP Reader V, 1983, pp 139-144; © KP Reader VI,

1978, pp 83-87, 1st house extends from Leo 00-04 to Leo 28-30 and 2nd

house extends from Leo 28-30 to Libra 00-30, and Virgo sign is

called " intercepted or floater " (in your words " blank " sign) i.e. a

sign that falls between two adjacent house cusps, but neither of

those house cusps are in that sign (Handbook of Astrology, K.

Hariharan, 1998, Part II, p 8). The lord of the house is the sign

lord where the cusp falls. Therefore lord of 1st and 2nd houses are

Sun. This rule is also explained very clearly in the example, p 173,

Reader III, 1984, Part 2, for " Length of Service " that the second

house extends from 26-56 Cancer (2nd cusp) to 25-56 Leo (3rd cusp).

Even though only 04-03 in Cancer happens to be in the 2 nd bhava and

25-56 is the extension of the 2 nd house in Leo owned by Sun, the

lord of the 2 nd house for predicting finance, fortune etc. is Moon.

 

2. However, as you've noticed and I've mentioned before in this

forum, in the case of the above mentioned demonstration example/

KPBC6, lord of the intercepted sign Virgo Mercury is also taken as

lord of 2nd house one time for marriage and second time for service.

Since it was metioned two times for clear signification of marriage

and service and in three Readers, in my personal opinion it may not

be a printing error as it was said before. There is something worthy

to review, food for thought. By taking so there is dual lordship, Sun

and Mercury being lord of 2nd house whcich is against the general

rule as mentioned in para 1. That is the only example of taking dual

lordship in KP Readers and literature as far as my reading goes.

 

3. Such kind of dual lordship may occur only when some signs are

intercepted. This issue may be more relevant in the case of Blair with four signs intercepted and where any KP dasa principle may

not be found to justify his winning premiership, as posted and

requested for comments in Msg 2244.

 

4. Comments will be helpful on this matter and Tony Blair's case.

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

tw

 

 

 

, Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282>

wrote:

> Dear Members,

>

> In KP, in a chart, when two cusps fall in same sign,

> two another signs remain vacant or blank.

>

> For example, for Leo asc, suppose 11'th cusp falls in

> Tauras and 12'th cusp in Cancer and Gemini sign

> remains vacant(i.e. without any cusp). My question is

> that, Do we consider Mercury as 11'th house lord? Will

> this Me be able to give 11'th house matter in the

> native's life? Or the planets in the star or sub of Me

> are good for 11'th house matter?

>

> In KP reader 3, page 149, Me is considered as 2'nd

> lord,(for marriage consideration) though 2'nd cusp

> falls in Leo for Leo Asc.It is also said " 2 is ruled

> by Sun " . Again in page 150, for Service matter, Me is

> considered as " lord of 2 " .

>

> Seems that both Su and Me are able to give 2'nd house

> matters.

>

> So I request our respected group members to comment on

> this matter.

>

> - Regards

> Sourav.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear tw,

 

Thanks tw for your reply. I have missed the discussion

on " dual lordship " ; I think I was not present in this

group at that time.

 

I request other group members to express their views

on this matter from their experience/intelligence.

 

- Regards

Sourav.

 

 

--- tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sourav Guchhait and All Members,

 

1. This subject was discussed in this Group under

" dual lordship " .

In KP a " house " commences from the cusp of a house and

ends with the

succeeding cusp, e.g. in the case of KPBC6, KSK's

demonstration

example expalined in three Readers: a) KP Reader III,

1984, Part 1,

pp 139-144; (b) KP Reader V, 1983, pp 139-144; © KP

Reader VI,

1978, pp 83-87, 1st house extends from Leo 00-04 to

Leo 28-30 and 2nd

house extends from Leo 28-30 to Libra 00-30, and Virgo

sign is

called " intercepted or floater " (in your words " blank "

sign) i.e. a

sign that falls between two adjacent house cusps, but

neither of

those house cusps are in that sign (Handbook of

Astrology, K.

Hariharan, 1998, Part II, p 8). The lord of the house

is the sign

lord where the cusp falls. Therefore lord of 1st and

2nd houses are

Sun. This rule is also explained very clearly in the

example, p 173,

Reader III, 1984, Part 2, for " Length of Service " that

the second

house extends from 26-56 Cancer (2nd cusp) to 25-56

Leo (3rd cusp).

Even though only 04-03 in Cancer happens to be in the

2 nd bhava and

25-56 is the extension of the 2 nd house in Leo owned

by Sun, the

lord of the 2 nd house for predicting finance, fortune

etc. is Moon.

 

2. However, as you've noticed and I've mentioned

before in this

forum, in the case of the above mentioned

demonstration example/

KPBC6, lord of the intercepted sign Virgo Mercury is

also taken as

lord of 2nd house one time for marriage and second

time for service.

Since it was metioned two times for clear

signification of marriage

and service and in three Readers, in my personal

opinion it may not

be a printing error as it was said before. There is

something worthy

to review, food for thought. By taking so there is

dual lordship, Sun

and Mercury being lord of 2nd house whcich is against

the general

rule as mentioned in para 1. That is the only example

of taking dual

lordship in KP Readers and literature as far as my

reading goes.

 

3. Such kind of dual lordship may occur only when

some signs are

intercepted. This issue may be more relevant in the

case of Blair with four signs intercepted and where any KP

dasa principle may

not be found to justify his winning premiership, as

posted and

requested for comments in Msg 2244.

 

4. Comments will be helpful on this matter and Blair's case.

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

tw

 

 

 

, Sourav Guchhait

<sourav6282>

wrote:

> Dear Members,

>

> In KP, in a chart, when two cusps fall in same sign,

> two another signs remain vacant or blank.

>

> For example, for Leo asc, suppose 11'th cusp falls

in

> Tauras and 12'th cusp in Cancer and Gemini sign

> remains vacant(i.e. without any cusp). My question

is

> that, Do we consider Mercury as 11'th house lord?

Will

> this Me be able to give 11'th house matter in the

> native's life? Or the planets in the star or sub of

Me

> are good for 11'th house matter?

>

> In KP reader 3, page 149, Me is considered as 2'nd

> lord,(for marriage consideration) though 2'nd cusp

> falls in Leo for Leo Asc.It is also said " 2 is ruled

> by Sun " . Again in page 150, for Service matter, Me

is

> considered as " lord of 2 " .

>

> Seems that both Su and Me are able to give 2'nd

house

> matters.

>

> So I request our respected group members to comment

on

> this matter.

>

> - Regards

> Sourav.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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