Election analisys/ Tony Blair/ Indira Gandhi

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Dear Kanakkumar Bosmia and All Members.

 

1. Comments will be helpful fro KP learners and resarchers.

 

2. Issue is how can be justified by PK dasa principles?

(a) Tony Blair's election victories.

(b) Indira Gandhi's election victories in " Saturn " mahadasa.

 

3. How could be helpful by going to the lowest rank of

significatotrs ? i.e. planet or planets conjined with or aspecting

(or aspected by any of ) significators in 1st to 4th steps and also

the house in question.

 

4. TOB may be generally reliable for accuracy and simple trasit

approach is working in their cases.

 

5. Additional timeline for Tony Blair: two times hospitalised

for heart poblem on 19-10-2004 (796 dasa) and 1-10-2004 (794).

 

Thanks and best regards,

 

tw

 

 

Indira Gandhi, 19-11-1917, Mo, 11:11 PM IST ( KN Rao: Nehru Dinesty;

Timing Events Through Vimshottari Dasha), Allahabad, 81E51, 25N27,

NKPA 22:37:14, ST 3:01:06, Sun dasa balance 1y:11m:10d

 

Plt Long Sgl Stl Sbl H Significators

Sun 04Sc13 Ma- Sa- Sa 4 (12,4,7,8,2)

Mo 05CP41 Sa- Su- Me 6 (4,6,2,1)

Mar 16Le28 Su- Ve- Mo 1 (5,1,4,11,5,10)

Mer 13Sc19 Ma- Sa- Ra 4 (12,4,7,8,3,12)

JuR 15Ta05 Ve- Mo- Ju 10 (6,10,1,6,9)

Ven 21Sg06 Ju- Ve- Ju 5 (5,5,4,11,4,11)

Sat 21Ca53 Mo- Me- Su 12 (4,12,3,12,7,8)

Rah 10Sg39 Ju –Ke- Sa 5 (11,5)

Ket 10Ge39 Me- Ra- Sa 11 (5,11)

Ura 27Ca20 Sa- Ma- Ju 6

NeR14Ca27 Mo- Sa- Ra 12

PlR 12Ge33 Me- Ra- Me 11

For 28Vi55 Me- Ma- Sa 3

 

H Long Sgl Stl Sbl Significators

1 27Ca28 Mo-Me- Ju 3,5,2

2 23Le18 Su –Ve-Sa 2,1

3 22Vi54 Me-Mo-Su 7,4

4 25Li07 Ve-Ju -Me 2,7,1,4,3,6,6

5 27Sc26 Ma-Me- Ju 3,6,9,6,8,3

6 28Sg17 Ju-Su -Mo 5,2,5

7 27Ca28 Sa–Ma- Ju 1,4,7

8 23Aq18 Sa–Ju- Sa 1,4,7

9 22Pi54 Ju–Me- Mo 5

10 25Ar07 Ma Ve- Me 5,3

11 27Ta26 Ve Ma- Ju 8,9,3,6,6

12 28Ge17 Me-Ju -Ve 1,4,7,7,4

 

TIMELINE

28-02-36 (Mar/Sun/Mer/Sat) mother's death

26-03-42 (Rah/Sat/Sat/Mar) married

20-08-44 (Rah/ Sat/Jup/Ven) son Rajiv born

14-12-46 (Ra/Mer/Sat/Sat) son Sanjay born

08-09-60 (Jup/Mer/Mar/Sat) husband's death

27-05-64 (Jup/Ven/Jup/Rah) father's death

19-01-66 (Jup/Sun/Ven/Ven) elected as PM

Feb 1967 (Jup/Moo/Mer or Ket) won general election

17-03-71 (Sat/Sa/Sat/Rah) a landslide victory

22-03-77 (Sat/Ket/Jup/Ket) lost general election and PM

05-01-80 (Sat/Ven/Sat/Mar) won the general election

23-06-80 (Sat/Ven/Mer//Rah) Sanjay's death

31-10-84 (Sat/Rah/Rah/Moo) assassinated

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Kanakkumar Bosmia "

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Dear TW ji,

My comments with bold red font

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kanak bosmia

>"tw853" <tw853

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> Re: Election analisys/ Tony Blair/ Indira Gandhi

>Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:19:41 -0000

>

>

>Dear Kanakkumar Bosmia and All Members.

>

>1. Comments will be helpful fro KP learners and resarchers.

>

>2. Issue is how can be justified by PK dasa principles?

>(a) Tony Blair's election victories.

>(b) Indira Gandhi's election victories in "Saturn" mahadasa.

 

in my last mail i am wrote that time correction on toni blair is necessary . same in indira gandhi's chart.

 

>3. How could be helpful by going to the lowest rank of

>significatotrs ? i.e. planet or planets conjined with or aspecting

>(or aspected by any of ) significators in 1st to 4th steps and also

 

>the house in question.

KPBC5 is best example for 5th step( aspect or conj. planet) significator.

>

>4. TOB may be generally reliable for accuracy and simple trasit

 

>approach is working in their cases.

We are not in general astrology we are in KP . so accuracy of TOB is must.if his TOB is accuret You never ask KP principels about DASA in Toni Blair and Indira Gandhi's chart.

>

>5. Additional timeline for Tony Blair: two times hospitalised

>for heart poblem on 19-10-2004 (796 dasa) and 1-10-2004 (794).

>

>Thanks and best regards,

>

>tw

>

>

>Indira Gandhi, 19-11-1917, Mo, 11:11 PM IST ( KN Rao: Nehru Dinesty;

>Timing Events Through Vimshottari Dasha), Allahabad, 81E51, 25N27,

>NKPA 22:37:14, ST 3:01:06, Sun dasa balance 1y:11m:10d

>

>Plt Long Sgl Stl Sbl H Significators

>Sun 04Sc13 Ma- Sa- Sa 4 (12,4,7,8,2)

>Mo 05CP41 Sa- Su- Me 6 (4,6,2,1)

>Mar 16Le28 Su- Ve- Mo 1 (5,1,4,11,5,10)

>Mer 13Sc19 Ma- Sa- Ra 4 (12,4,7,8,3,12)

>JuR 15Ta05 Ve- Mo- Ju 10 (6,10,1,6,9)

>Ven 21Sg06 Ju- Ve- Ju 5 (5,5,4,11,4,11)

>Sat 21Ca53 Mo- Me- Su 12 (4,12,3,12,7,8)

>Rah 10Sg39 Ju –Ke- Sa 5 (11,5)

>Ket 10Ge39 Me- Ra- Sa 11 (5,11)

>Ura 27Ca20 Sa- Ma- Ju 6

>NeR14Ca27 Mo- Sa- Ra 12

>PlR 12Ge33 Me- Ra- Me 11

>For 28Vi55 Me- Ma- Sa 3

>

>H Long Sgl Stl Sbl Significators

>1 27Ca28 Mo-Me- Ju 3,5,2

>2 23Le18 Su –Ve-Sa 2,1

>3 22Vi54 Me-Mo-Su 7,4

>4 25Li07 Ve-Ju -Me 2,7,1,4,3,6,6

>5 27Sc26 Ma-Me- Ju 3,6,9,6,8,3

>6 28Sg17 Ju-Su -Mo 5,2,5

>7 27Ca28 Sa–Ma- Ju 1,4,7

>8 23Aq18 Sa–Ju- Sa 1,4,7

>9 22Pi54 Ju–Me- Mo 5

>10 25Ar07 Ma Ve- Me 5,3

>11 27Ta26 Ve Ma- Ju 8,9,3,6,6

>12 28Ge17 Me-Ju -Ve 1,4,7,7,4

>

>TIMELINE

>28-02-36 (Mar/Sun/Mer/Sat) mother's death

>26-03-42 (Rah/Sat/Sat/Mar) married

>20-08-44 (Rah/ Sat/Jup/Ven) son Rajiv born

>14-12-46 (Ra/Mer/Sat/Sat) son Sanjay born

>08-09-60 (Jup/Mer/Mar/Sat) husband's death

>27-05-64 (Jup/Ven/Jup/Rah) father's death

>19-01-66 (Jup/Sun/Ven/Ven) elected as PM

>Feb 1967 (Jup/Moo/Mer or Ket) won general election

>17-03-71 (Sat/Sa/Sat/Rah) a landslide victory

>22-03-77 (Sat/Ket/Jup/Ket) lost general election and PM

>05-01-80 (Sat/Ven/Sat/Mar) won the general election

>23-06-80 (Sat/Ven/Mer//Rah) Sanjay's death

>31-10-84 (Sat/Rah/Rah/Moo) assassinated

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Dear Kanakkumar Bosmia,

 

1. Yes, I'm asking how can be justied by KP rules, not for BOT

rectification, with my belief that they can be analysed with

generally used TOBs.

 

2. Saying " TOB is not accurate whenever rules are not fit "

looks like an excuse . General rules may not work easily all the time

since predictions can not be set in mathematical formulars or

computerized. We need to work harder and study deeper for exeptional

horoscopes by using not only rules but also judgement as mentioned

Guruji KSK. Changing BOT to fit events isn't a good idea.

 

2. TB's BOT is AA Quoted BC/BR and discussed by 42 astrolgers of

East and West in AstroDatabank forrum without complaint.

 

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618

 

3. (a) IG's TOB by KN Rao who sudies Nehru family in depth

11:11 PM IST in his two books and magazine articles; (b) 11:10 PM

IST http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/artofprediction4.asp ; ©

11:15 PM by Sumeet Chugh, Determing Profession and Ups & Downs in

Career, p 94; (d) 11:20 PM IST by Hart de Fouw & Robert Svoboda,

Light on Life, p 365; 11:11 PM in SJC BirthDataBank.

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " Kanakkumar Bosmia "

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Dear TW,

My Comment with Bo;d Letterregards

 

kanak bosmia

>"tw853" <tw853

>

>

> Re: Election analisys/ Tony Blair/ Indira Gandhi

>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:27:21 -0000

>

>

>Dear Kanakkumar Bosmia,

>

>1. Yes, I'm asking how can be justied by KP rules, not for BOT

>rectification, with my belief that they can be analysed with

>generally used TOBs.

>

>2. Saying "TOB is not accurate whenever rules are not fit"

>looks like an excuse . General rules may not work easily all the time

>since predictions can not be set in mathematical formulars or

>computerized. We need to work harder and study deeper for exeptional

>horoscopes by using not only rules but also judgement as mentioned

 

>Guruji KSK. Changing BOT to fit events isn't a good idea.

When frequently change TOB is not good idea.In our case on one event match with DBA.so correction of TOB is Must.

>

>2. TB's BOT is AA Quoted BC/BR and discussed by 42 astrolgers of

 

>East and West in AstroDatabank forrum without complaint.

Why Shri KSK need for Some new in astrology? Befor Shri KSK astrologer pridict his forcast without any complain.But Shri KSK feel somthing is missing and he give us New theory KP.If we say " Look at our past from thousand of year we read chart without complain so no nedd for new theory"then KP never grow up.

 

In other theory if TOB is chage in 30 sec, to 1/2 minite. chart will same. but in KP sub will chage and answer will be change.

I believe only in KP.(I know all hindu and western )

 

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618

>

>3. (a) IG's TOB by KN Rao who sudies Nehru family in depth

>11:11 PM IST in his two books and magazine articles; (b) 11:10 PM

>IST http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/artofprediction4.asp ; ©

>11:15 PM by Sumeet Chugh, Determing Profession and Ups & Downs in

>Career, p 94; (d) 11:20 PM IST by Hart de Fouw & Robert Svoboda,

>Light on Life, p 365; 11:11 PM in SJC BirthDataBank.

 

In my personal view this is not excuse. anyway I AM NOT ABLE TO ANALYS BOTH THE CHART GIVEN BY OUR .(DUE TO LACK OF MY KNOWLADGE)

>Best regards,

>

>tw

>

>

> , "Kanakkumar Bosmia"

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> >

>

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Dear Members,

 

A person (well versed in KP) suggested me that:

If the results during dasa bhukthi do not match with the actual results, recast the chart by considering Sun as the ascendant and then calculate the significators.

 

 

If anyone has copies of "Astrology and adrishta", Is it possible to make a xerox copy of it and mail it to me. Please let me the total cost of it.

(I will provide my postal address)

Regards,

Upadhyaya

 

Kanakkumar Bosmia [kanbosastro]Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Re: Election analisys/ Tony Blair/ Indira Gandhi

 

 

 

Dear TW,

My Comment with Bo;d Letterregards

 

kanak bosmia

>"tw853" <tw853 > > > Re: Election analisys/ Tony Blair/ Indira Gandhi >Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:27:21 -0000 > > >Dear Kanakkumar Bosmia, > >1. Yes, I'm asking how can be justied by KP rules, not for BOT >rectification, with my belief that they can be analysed with >generally used TOBs. > >2. Saying "TOB is not accurate whenever rules are not fit" >looks like an excuse . General rules may not work easily all the time >since predictions can not be set in mathematical formulars or >computerized. We need to work harder and study deeper for exeptional >horoscopes by using not only rules but also judgement as mentioned

>Guruji KSK. Changing BOT to fit events isn't a good idea.

When frequently change TOB is not good idea.In our case on one event match with DBA.so correction of TOB is Must.

> >2. TB's BOT is AA Quoted BC/BR and discussed by 42 astrolgers of

>East and West in AstroDatabank forrum without complaint.

Why Shri KSK need for Some new in astrology? Befor Shri KSK astrologer pridict his forcast without any complain.But Shri KSK feel somthing is missing and he give us New theory KP.If we say " Look at our past from thousand of year we read chart without complain so no nedd for new theory"then KP never grow up.

 

In other theory if TOB is chage in 30 sec, to 1/2 minite. chart will same. but in KP sub will chage and answer will be change.

I believe only in KP.(I know all hindu and western )

 

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618

> >3. (a) IG's TOB by KN Rao who sudies Nehru family in depth >11:11 PM IST in his two books and magazine articles; (b) 11:10 PM >IST http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/artofprediction4.asp ; © >11:15 PM by Sumeet Chugh, Determing Profession and Ups & Downs in >Career, p 94; (d) 11:20 PM IST by Hart de Fouw & Robert Svoboda, >Light on Life, p 365; 11:11 PM in SJC BirthDataBank.

In my personal view this is not excuse. anyway I AM NOT ABLE TO ANALYS BOTH THE CHART GIVEN BY OUR .(DUE TO LACK OF MY KNOWLADGE)

>Best regards, > >tw > > > , "Kanakkumar Bosmia" ><kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > > > > >

 

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GOOD LUCK !"Upadhyaya, Srinivasa" <srinivasa.upadyaya wrote:

 

Dear Members,

 

A person (well versed in KP) suggested me that:

If the results during dasa bhukthi do not match with the actual results, recast the chart by considering Sun as the ascendant and then calculate the significators.

 

 

If anyone has copies of "Astrology and adrishta", Is it possible to make a xerox copy of it and mail it to me. Please let me the total cost of it.

(I will provide my postal address)

Regards,

Upadhyaya

 

Kanakkumar Bosmia [kanbosastro]Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Re: Election analisys/ Tony Blair/ Indira Gandhi

 

 

 

Dear TW,

My Comment with Bo;d Letterregards

 

kanak bosmia

>"tw853" <tw853 > > > Re: Election analisys/ Tony Blair/ Indira Gandhi >Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:27:21 -0000 > > >Dear Kanakkumar Bosmia, > >1. Yes, I'm asking how can be justied by KP rules, not for BOT >rectification, with my belief that they can be analysed with >generally used TOBs. > >2. Saying "TOB is not accurate whenever rules are not fit" >looks like an excuse . General rules may not work easily all the time >since predictions can not be set in mathematical formulars or >computerized. We need to work harder and study deeper for exeptional >horoscopes by using not only rules but also judgement as mentioned

>Guruji KSK. Changing BOT to fit events isn't a good idea.

When frequently change TOB is not good idea.In our case on one event match with DBA.so correction of TOB is Must.

> >2. TB's BOT is AA Quoted BC/BR and discussed by 42 astrolgers of

>East and West in AstroDatabank forrum without complaint.

Why Shri KSK need for Some new in astrology? Befor Shri KSK astrologer pridict his forcast without any complain.But Shri KSK feel somthing is missing and he give us New theory KP.If we say " Look at our past from thousand of year we read chart without complain so no nedd for new theory"then KP never grow up.

 

In other theory if TOB is chage in 30 sec, to 1/2 minite. chart will same. but in KP sub will chage and answer will be change.

I believe only in KP.(I know all hindu and western )

 

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618

> >3. (a) IG's TOB by KN Rao who sudies Nehru family in depth >11:11 PM IST in his two books and magazine articles; (b) 11:10 PM >IST http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/artofprediction4.asp ; © >11:15 PM by Sumeet Chugh, Determing Profession and Ups & Downs in >Career, p 94; (d) 11:20 PM IST by Hart de Fouw & Robert Svoboda, >Light on Life, p 365; 11:11 PM in SJC BirthDataBank.

In my personal view this is not excuse. anyway I AM NOT ABLE TO ANALYS BOTH THE CHART GIVEN BY OUR .(DUE TO LACK OF MY KNOWLADGE)

>Best regards, > >tw > > > , "Kanakkumar Bosmia" ><kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > > > > >

 

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Dear Kanakkumar Bosmia,

 

1. Sincerely thank you very much for your effort and comment. We've

been studying notable horoscopes like Mahatma Gandhi, Albert

Einstein, Rasputin, George W Bush, Rowling, Nehru,Bill Gates, ------,

Tony Blair, Indira Gandhi by KP taking commonly used TOBs, together

with their philosophy, accomplishments and quotations. As we can't

justify TB & IG sufficiently, by chance posted for help.

 

2. >>> In other theory if TOB is chage in 30 sec, to 1/2 minite.

>>>>chart will same. but in KP sub will chage and answer will be

change.

 

>>>I believe only in KP.(I know all hindu and western )

 

(a) In a " borderline case " navamsa also can be changed from

indication for good health to bad health.

 

(b) The normal shortest time range for a change from Sun Stl Sun Sbl

of 1st cusp to Moon Sbl is 2 min 40 sec and will be much loger in

Venus case. Sbls of cusps are very sensative to minutes change.

 

© But normally subs of planets do not change in plenty of minutes

and dasa analysis can be done on the basis of Stl and Sbl without

relying too much on Sbls of cusps.

 

3. Even if TB's TOB, AA qouted BC & BR is not reliable, it will be

interesting how will be with the experiment on RP expected to be

based on around 10 AA-rated TOBs.

 

 

Thanks and best regards,

 

 

tw

 

 

 

 

 

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kanak bosmia

>"tw853" <tw853

>

>

> Re: Election analisys/ Tony Blair/ Indira Gandhi

>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:40:54 -0000

>

>

>Dear Kanakkumar Bosmia,

>

>1. Sincerely thank you very much for your effort and comment. We've

>been studying notable horoscopes like Mahatma Gandhi, Albert

>Einstein, Rasputin, George W Bush, Rowling, Nehru,Bill Gates, ------,

>Tony Blair, Indira Gandhi by KP taking commonly used TOBs, together

>with their philosophy, accomplishments and quotations. As we can't

>justify TB & IG sufficiently, by chance posted for help.

>

>2. >>> In other theory if TOB is chage in 30 sec, to 1/2 minite.

> >>>>chart will same. but in KP sub will chage and answer will be

>change.

>

> >>>I believe only in KP.(I know all hindu and western )

>

>(a) In a "borderline case" navamsa also can be changed from

>indication for good health to bad health.

>

>(b) The normal shortest time range for a change from Sun Stl Sun Sbl

>of 1st cusp to Moon Sbl is 2 min 40 sec and will be much loger in

>Venus case. Sbls of cusps are very sensative to minutes change.

 

You count of total time of sub but if palnet is at 27 AR 14 pls tel me what time take to change of sub?

 

>

>© But normally subs of planets do not change in plenty of minutes

>and dasa analysis can be done on the basis of Stl and Sbl without

 

>relying too much on Sbls of cusps.

I give you one example of my cliant.his details are under pls calculet both the chart and chek about his marriage, child birth and proggresin bussines. and his SUN dasa and Give your valuable suggestions.

DOB : 25/6/1954

POB: CHAKE-CHAKE (TANZANIA)

TOB GIVEN BY CLIANT IS : 07:55 am

RECTI.TOB BY ME IS: 07.57 am

LAT: 05 S 13

LONG: 39 E 44

>

>3. Even if TB's TOB, AA qouted BC & BR is not reliable, it will be

>interesting how will be with the experiment on RP expected to be

>based on around 10 AA-rated TOBs.

>

>

>Thanks and best regards,

>

>

>tw

>

>

>

>

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I've mentioned " clearly " (1) sub or navamsa can change within 1 or

1/2 min from bad to good or from good to bad, and (2) " total sub

time " refering KP Stl and Sbl table without requiring to take an

particular case. (3) Guruji KSK says, " Many general rules which

should not be strictly applied. Many modifications are to be

included.--- Analytical study, correct intuition and good judgment

are needed -– " KP Reader III.

 

 

 

 

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