Vimshottari Period

March 4, 2005

Dear All,

I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw

your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has

argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In

particular, you will this towards the end of page 97:

" ... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days

alone is to be adopted.

For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days

are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be

taken. "

I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if you

wish.

Regards,

Rangarajan

March 4, 2005

Dear Rangarajan.

Without going back to our discussion on 365.25 days per year (K.S.

Krishnamurti,B.V. Raman, K. N. Rao, Bepin Behari, V.K.

Choudhry (SA), Sanjay Rath, David Frawley and other East & West

wellknown Vedic astrologers) vis 360 days per year (Usha-Shashi, Hira

Gulrajani, Rohini Ranjan, N. Sundara Rajan,Sadasiva Giri, ??) around

last Christmas time, the following technical explanation with

calculation examples may answer your question.

Best regards,

tw

Know your Dasha--- All India Astrological Services

http://www.hinduastrology.org/learnastrology/dasha.asp

While computing dasha dates we add days to days, months to months and

years to years. If days are more than 30, we take a carry over of 1

to months and similarly if months are more than 12 we take a carry

over of 1 to year. Here we do not take into account the actual

number. of days in a month.

It seems that we are taking a year as 360 days only - 12 months x 30

days per month. However, this is a wrong understanding. Actually, we

are dividing the year into months by multiplying by 12 and further

converting into days by multiplying of 30. we add up in the same

manner. So it is not correct to add by taking actual days of months

into consideration. This simplicity of calculation takes the year as

365.25 days. The actual dates computed by rigorous calculations by

taking actual days of the months and by this simple method differ

only by a few days; accurate practically for all astrological

purposes.

, " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

<ranga@m...> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw

> your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has

> argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In

> particular, you will this towards the end of page 97:

> " ... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days

> alone is to be adopted.

> For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360

days

> are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be

> taken. "

>

> I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if

you

> wish.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

March 4, 2005

Dear Rangarajan,

I am sorry to notice that in recent times,,in the name of "scientific inquiry" this column seems to have become a forum for "hair-splitting"....

Does it really matter if the Vimshottari Dasa Year is taken to be 360,365,360.5,or even 363,364 etc...KSK has provided us with many methods for timing of events...Dasa,RPs,and finally the transit of Sun,Moon or Jupiter, as is applicable...and the transit of the sublord of karaka house,the sublord of the XIth cusp...etc...One can carefully arrive at,and doubly confirm the exact day/date...

And what's more, we can not only fix the day and the probable date,but we can then,even fix up even the exact time by moving the Ascendant appropriately...to transit the sensitive point...!

I do not oppose "Scientific Inquiry",but hairsplitting with the objective of finding fault with the System invented by KSK,as some appear to indulge in...is objectioable,to my thinking...KSK has proved his theory very many times over,in these last 40-50 years atleast...!

Quoting one or two instances,where the theory has not been applied properly,in the first place,and then, based on this,saying that "therefore the theory needs to be improved"...is totally unfair to K.P., and the late KSK...in my considered opinion...

A similar phenomenon is being experienced by most Music Teachers also...they keep complaining, almost every time they appear on TV,that their students are impatient to perform on the TV or the Stage,within a couple of years, some,within a few months (!) of begining their music lessons..very eager,to be seen rather than perform, unfortunately,this disregard for thoroughly practising,and repeated polishing,to achieve excellence,seems to be "the bug" of modern times...? !

Surely,Mr.Rangarajan,this is not being said,with reference to your query above...singularly,( and,I hasten to add,I also know that you are good and honest student of K.P.)

This is my accumulated reaction to what has been appearing in this column in the recent past...

I trust you will not to misunderstand me...

With regards,

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear All,I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In particular, you will this towards the end of page 97: "... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be adopted.For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be taken."I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if you wish.Regards,Rangarajan

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March 4, 2005

Dear Rangarajan,

I am sorry to notice that in recent times,,in the name of "scientific inquiry" this column seems to have become a forum for "hair-splitting"....

Does it really matter if the Vimshottari Dasa Year is taken to be 360,365,360.5,or even 363,364 etc...KSK has provided us with many methods for timing of events...Dasa,RPs,and finally the transit of Sun,Moon or Jupiter, as is applicable...and the transit of the sublord of karaka house,the sublord of the XIth cusp...etc...One can carefully arrive at,and doubly confirm the exact day/date...

And what's more, we can not only fix the day and the probable date,but we can then,even fix up even the exact time by moving the Ascendant appropriately...to transit the sensitive point...!

I do not oppose "Scientific Inquiry",but hairsplitting with the objective of finding fault with the System invented by KSK,as some appear to indulge in...is objectioable,to my thinking...KSK has proved his theory very many times over,in these last 40-50 years atleast...!

Quoting one or two instances,where the theory has not been applied properly,in the first place,and then, based on this,saying that "therefore the theory needs to be improved"...is totally unfair to K.P., and the late KSK...in my considered opinion...

A similar phenomenon is being experienced by most Music Teachers also...they keep complaining, almost every time they appear on TV,that their students are impatient to perform on the TV or the Stage,within a couple of years, some,within a few months (!) of begining their music lessons..very eager,to be seen rather than perform, unfortunately,this disregard for thoroughly practising,and repeated polishing,to achieve excellence,seems to be "the bug" of modern times...? !

Surely,Mr.Rangarajan,this is not being said,with reference to your query above...singularly,( and,I hasten to add,I also know that you are good and honest student of K.P.)

Mr.A.R.Raichur had written an excellent article in the magazine K.P. & Astrology...on this needless "craze for accuracy" ,I sincerely recommend you read this article...

This is my accumulated reaction to what has been appearing in this column in the recent past...

I trust you will not to misunderstand me...

With regards,

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear All,I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In particular, you will this towards the end of page 97: "... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be adopted.For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be taken."I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if you wish.Regards,Rangarajan

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March 4, 2005

Dear Yogesh,

Your point well taken,rather tha waste our energies,we should focuss

our discussions.

Sounds crazy,why dont we use a standardised

Ephemeries/ayanamsa/software,acceptable to a larger membership,This

willhelp every one.Standardisation is the mantra for our times.

Regards,

Satish

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1>

wrote:

> Dear Rangarajan,

> I am sorry to notice that in recent

times,,in the name of " scientific inquiry " this column seems to have

become a forum for " hair-splitting " ....

> Does it really matter if the Vimshottari

Dasa Year is taken to be 360,365,360.5,or even 363,364 etc...KSK

has provided us with many methods for timing of

events...Dasa,RPs,and finally the transit of Sun,Moon or Jupiter, as

is applicable...and the transit of the sublord of karaka house,the

sublord of the XIth cusp...etc...One can carefully arrive at,and

doubly confirm the exact day/date...

> And what's more, we can not only fix the

day and the probable date,but we can then,even fix up even the

exact time by moving the Ascendant appropriately...to transit the

sensitive point...!

> I do not oppose " Scientific Inquiry " ,but

hairsplitting with the objective of finding fault with the System

invented by KSK,as some appear to indulge in...is objectioable,to my

thinking...KSK has proved his theory very many times over,in these

last 40-50 years atleast...!

> Quoting one or two instances,where the

theory has not been applied properly,in the first place,and then,

based on this,saying that " therefore the theory needs to be

improved " ...is totally unfair to K.P., and the late KSK...in my

considered opinion...

> A similar phenomenon is being experienced

by most Music Teachers also...they keep complaining, almost every

time they appear on TV,that their students are impatient to perform

on the TV or the Stage,within a couple of years, some,within a few

months (!) of begining their music lessons..very eager,to be seen

rather than perform, unfortunately,this disregard for thoroughly

practising,and repeated polishing,to achieve excellence,seems to

be " the bug " of modern times...? !

> Surely,Mr.Rangarajan,this is not being

said,with reference to your query above...singularly,( and,I hasten

to add,I also know that you are good and honest student of K.P.)

> Mr.A.R.Raichur had written an excellent

article in the magazine K.P. & Astrology...on this needless " craze

for accuracy " ,I sincerely recommend you read this

article...

> This is my accumulated reaction to what

has been appearing in this column in the recent past...

> I trust you will not to misunderstand me...

> With regards,

> Yours sincerely,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw

> your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK

has

> argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In

> particular, you will this towards the end of page 97:

> " ... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days

> alone is to be adopted.

> For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360

days

> are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must

be

> taken. "

>

> I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if

you

> wish.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

March 5, 2005

Dear Rangarajan

If one accepts, that the Solar Year is 365.25 days for Vimsottari Dasas, then one must forget months of equal duration. If we compute on Basis of the Dasas being not in Years but in Calender Days, and then convert the endings of Bhuktis, Antaras etc, using such Days, we can get endings corresponding to Calender Dates. Such calculation will give dates, which

may vary Max by 2 days, compared to the year=12months" 1 month=30 days.

One can adopt whatever one prefers, without making a big mistake in Predictions.

I had made programs for this 365.25 days also. However, since I was rounding of the days, I got results which showed " Bhukti of Sun ends 31 jan 1967: Bhukti of Moon stars 30 jan 1967" or similar anamolies. So I did not use this. Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear All,I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In particular, you will this towards the end of page 97: "... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be adopted.For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be taken."I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if you wish.Regards,Rangarajan

March 6, 2005

Dear List Members,

Reference Mr Rangarajan's email below, I would like to submit the following.

Before the advent of computers, astrologers had to refer to Tables and manually draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table. For this, taking one year as being equal to 360 days was very convenient because all 12 months in the year (including Jan, Feb, Apr, Jun, Sep and Nov) are allocated 30 days each. Placed in the Green Table in the attached Excel file please find my own dasa chart drawn up using the "Astrological Tables for All, Ready Reckoner", published by Hariman Publications. For purposes of illustration, Moon dasa has been further expanded to include it's bhuktis and anthras.

With the advent of computers, such laborious manual calculations are no longer necessary. Most computer programs can display the dasa/bhukti/anthras table almost instantaneously. Most computer programs also provide the option to select 365.25 days per year or 360 days per year. Placed in the Red Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 365.25 days per year option selected. Placed in the Blue Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 360 days per year option selected. The dates for both these tables have been taken from a leading astrology program.

Compare the dates shown in the tables for the start and end of each dasa, bhukti or anthras. Notice the dates shown in the Red and Green tables are very close to each other and NEVER more than 2 days apart. The dates shown in the Red Table are the correct ones. The dates shown in the Green Table are acceptably close since they are never more than two days away from the correct dates shown in the Red Table. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said, "For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days are taken, as the difference is negligible".

One can certainly use the 360 days per year option to draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table but it MUST be laid out against a 360 days per year calendar as shown in the Green Table. But with the advent of computers the Green Table is no longer necessary. The dates shown in the Red Table are more accurate. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said, "Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be adopted."

Now compare the dates shown in the Blue Table against the dates shown in the Red Table. The difference in the dates progressively increases. Ketu dasa ACTUALLY ends on 26 Nov 2054, as shown in the Red Table but as per the Blue Table it is shown to end on 15 Apr 2053. The difference is one year, seven months and eleven days. This is a VERY large error and totally unacceptable.

If one lays out the 360 days per year chart against a Real Time, 365.25 days per year, Gregorian Calendar, one will come up with the Blue Table, as shown. These dates are completely wrong. In the Vimshotdhari Dasa cycle each planet is allocated a certain number of years and the whole cycle is to take 120 years. The dates shown in the Blue Table do not meet these requirements. Yet most astrology programs have the option to generate such a table. I can't understand this anomaly. Can't computer programmers, who are also astrologers, understand the various factors involved here? With what authority and on what basis have they reduced the number of years allocated to each planet?

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear All,> I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw > your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has > argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In > particular, you will this towards the end of page 97: > "... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days > alone is to be adopted.> For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days > are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be > taken."> > I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if you > wish.> > Regards,> Rangarajan

March 6, 2005

Dear Mr.Vidhyadhar,

Though Iam Not Interested To Get In To This Very Complicted Matter

With Out A Complete Research Oriented Analysis Report And

Since Iam Engaged With My Software Programming Work Tightly, I Think

On My Part I Have Not Presented A Befitting Reply For This Matter

Till Now And Other Members Are Indirectly Fault-finding Me And My

Views...

Some Even Went To An Extend of Criticizing The Way Of

Accurate Calculations...

In Astrology For Certain Things Accuracy Is not Necessary

And Even An Over view look is Enough To Come To a Conclution...

This Is Known To All...

If We Want To Getting In To Things More Deeply It Is Must To Be

Accurate...

" Though The Patient Is Dead the Operation Must Have Been In A

Correct Manner " ...

But In My Experiance The The Patient Has

Not Been Died And I came Out With Success In All My Cases...

I Here By Want To Ask You And Other Members To Clarify Certain

Things...

How You People Used To Pin Up The Things Either By Getting Down To

Anthra Level Or Sukshuma, Adhi Shukshuma Level...

Have You Ever Compared The Classical/Popular Dhasa System Both To

Gether For A Particular Chart... For A Particular Event...

How You People Arrive A Particular Day's Way Of Action...

To What Dhasa Level You People Give Importancy For A Particular

Moment's Study...

Iam Not Interested In Getting In To Calculation Again As Of Now...

I Just Ask you To Clarify It In A Practical Way...

Regards,

S.N.Rajasekaran...

, " Vaidun Vidyadhar " <vvidya@o...>

wrote:

> Dear List Members,

>

> Reference Mr Rangarajan's email below, I would like to submit the

following.

>

> Before the advent of computers, astrologers had to refer to Tables

and

> manually draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table. For this, taking one

year as

> being equal to 360 days was very convenient because all 12 months

in the

> year (including Jan, Feb, Apr, Jun, Sep and Nov) are allocated 30

days each.

> Placed in the Green Table in the attached Excel file please find my

own dasa

> chart drawn up using the " Astrological Tables for All, Ready

Reckoner " ,

> published by Hariman Publications. For purposes of illustration,

Moon dasa

> has been further expanded to include it's bhuktis and anthras.

>

> With the advent of computers, such laborious manual calculations

are no

> longer necessary. Most computer programs can display the

> dasa/bhukti/anthras table almost instantaneously. Most computer

programs

> also provide the option to select 365.25 days per year or 360 days

per year.

> Placed in the Red Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 365.25

days per

> year option selected. Placed in the Blue Table is the

dasa/bhukti/anthras

> with the 360 days per year option selected. The dates for both

these tables

> have been taken from a leading astrology program.

>

> Compare the dates shown in the tables for the start and end of each

dasa,

> bhukti or anthras. Notice the dates shown in the Red and Green

tables are

> very close to each other and NEVER more than 2 days apart. The

dates shown

> in the Red Table are the correct ones. The dates shown in the

Green Table

> are acceptably close since they are never more than two days away

from the

> correct dates shown in the Red Table. This is what Prof KSK meant

when he

> said, " For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods

360 days

> are taken, as the difference is negligible " .

>

> One can certainly use the 360 days per year option to draw up a

> dasa/bhukti/anthras table but it MUST be laid out against a 360

days per

> year calendar as shown in the Green Table. But with the advent of

computers

> the Green Table is no longer necessary. The dates shown in the Red

Table

> are more accurate. This is what Prof KSK meant when he

said, " Hence only

> Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be

adopted. "

>

> Now compare the dates shown in the Blue Table against the dates

shown in the

> Red Table. The difference in the dates progressively increases.

Ketu dasa

> ACTUALLY ends on 26 Nov 2054, as shown in the Red Table but as per

the Blue

> Table it is shown to end on 15 Apr 2053. The difference is one

year, seven

> months and eleven days. This is a VERY large error and totally

> unacceptable.

>

> If one lays out the 360 days per year chart against a Real Time,

365.25 days

> per year, Gregorian Calendar, one will come up with the Blue Table,

as

> shown. These dates are completely wrong. In the Vimshotdhari Dasa

cycle

> each planet is allocated a certain number of years and the whole

cycle is to

> take 120 years. The dates shown in the Blue Table do not meet these

> requirements. Yet most astrology programs have the option to

generate such

> a table. I can't understand this anomaly. Can't computer

programmers, who

> are also astrologers, understand the various factors involved

here? With

> what authority and on what basis have they reduced the number of

years

> allocated to each planet?

>

> Vaidun Vidyadhar

> 1 / 94 Marius Street

> Tamworth, NSW 2340

> Australia

> Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home)

> Mobile: 0414 870 083

> Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o...

>

> , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

> <ranga@m...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> > I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw

> > your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK

has

> > argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In

> > particular, you will this towards the end of page 97:

> > " ... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days

> > alone is to be adopted.

> > For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360

> days

> > are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must

be

> > taken. "

> >

> > I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if

> you

> > wish.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rangarajan

>

March 6, 2005

Dear Vaidun,

Thank you for the comparisons...BUT,you have not addressed my question...

" In the face of the availability of a variety of very successful methods available to us,in K.P.,itself,and especially the TRANSIT of the Moon/Sun/Ascendant wherever appropriate...or the s/l of the Karaka House,or the s/l of the XIth cusp over the Karaka house cusp...etc...despite all this...this "hairsplitting" on the length of the Vimshottari Year...is truly a futile exercise in hairsplitting...after so

many days of debate on this subject...what have we really achieved ?"

Do we/can we predict ONLY by using the Vimshottari Dasa alone system...? Then why the hullabulloo ?

Once again, I urge ALL, to READ Mr.Raichur's illuminating article in K.P. & Astrology..."The Craze for Accuracy"...I & II,in the 1997 & 1998 issues of the K.P. & Astrology,respectively...

With highest regards,

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:

Dear List Members,

Reference Mr Rangarajan's email below, I would like to submit the following.

Before the advent of computers, astrologers had to refer to Tables and manually draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table. For this, taking one year as being equal to 360 days was very convenient because all 12 months in the year (including Jan, Feb, Apr, Jun, Sep and Nov) are allocated 30 days each. Placed in the Green Table in the attached Excel file please find my own dasa chart drawn up using the "Astrological Tables for All, Ready Reckoner", published by Hariman Publications. For purposes of illustration, Moon dasa has been further expanded to include it's bhuktis and anthras.

With the advent of computers, such laborious manual calculations are no longer necessary. Most computer programs can display the dasa/bhukti/anthras table almost instantaneously. Most computer programs also provide the option to select 365.25 days per year or 360 days per year. Placed in the Red Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 365.25 days per year option selected. Placed in the Blue Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 360 days per year option selected. The dates for both these tables have been taken from a leading astrology program.

Compare the dates shown in the tables for the start and end of each dasa, bhukti or anthras. Notice the dates shown in the Red and Green tables are very close to each other and NEVER more than 2 days apart. The dates shown in the Red Table are the correct ones. The dates shown in the Green Table are acceptably close since they are never more than two days away from the correct dates shown in the Red Table. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said, "For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days are taken, as the difference is negligible".

One can certainly use the 360 days per year option to draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table but it MUST be laid out against a 360 days per year calendar as shown in the Green Table. But with the advent of computers the Green Table is no longer necessary. The dates shown in the Red Table are more accurate. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said, "Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be adopted."

Now compare the dates shown in the Blue Table against the dates shown in the Red Table. The difference in the dates progressively increases. Ketu dasa ACTUALLY ends on 26 Nov 2054, as shown in the Red Table but as per the Blue Table it is shown to end on 15 Apr 2053. The difference is one year, seven months and eleven days. This is a VERY large error and totally unacceptable.

If one lays out the 360 days per year chart against a Real Time, 365.25 days per year, Gregorian Calendar, one will come up with the Blue Table, as shown. These dates are completely wrong. In the Vimshotdhari Dasa cycle each planet is allocated a certain number of years and the whole cycle is to take 120 years. The dates shown in the Blue Table do not meet these requirements. Yet most astrology programs have the option to generate such a table. I can't understand this anomaly. Can't computer programmers, who are also astrologers, understand the various factors involved here? With what authority and on what basis have they reduced the number of years allocated to each planet?

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear All,> I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw > your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has > argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In > particular, you will this towards the end of page 97: > "... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25

days > alone is to be adopted.> For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days > are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be > taken."> > I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if you > wish.> > Regards,> Rangarajan> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/vnd.ms-excel name=365.25 vs 360 days per year.xls

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March 6, 2005

Dear Mr Rao,

Thank you for your email below.

Let me put this way. I am now running Jupiter dasa. When my Saturn dasa starts, going by astrological indications, I can expect certain influences to start shaping my life. Now I need to know, WHEN does my Saturn dasa start? The Vimshotdhari dasa system is one of the corner stones in vedic astrology around which astrological predictions are made. This is one of the main differences between Vedic and Western astrology. So I need to know when my Saturn dasa will start. If you look at the dasa tables shown in the Excel files that I had earlier sent, the date of commencement of my Saturn dasa is shown. In the Red Table the date is shown as 26 Nov 2011 whereas in the Blue Table it is shown as 27 Nov 2010. The difference is one FULL YEAR. Which one is correct? If we are not able to get the correct start date of the MAIN dasa period itself, how can we go down to further sub and sub sub periods? Hairsplitting is when we are keen to go down to the fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh level. But in this case the onset of the very main dasa period ITSELF is in question.

I agree with you, we don't predict ONLY by the dasa/bhukti periods. But, nevertheless, the Vimshotdhari dasa system still remains a very important and useful tool to the astrologer.

With best regards.

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya

Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1] Sunday, 6 March 2005 5:14 PM Subject: RE: Re: Vimshottari Period

Dear Vaidun,

Thank you for the comparisons...BUT,you have not addressed my question...

" In the face of the availability of a variety of very successful methods available to us,in K.P.,itself,and especially the TRANSIT of the Moon/Sun/Ascendant wherever appropriate...or the s/l of the Karaka House,or the s/l of the XIth cusp over the Karaka house cusp...etc...despite all this...this "hairsplitting" on the length of the Vimshottari Year...is truly a futile exercise in hairsplitting...after so

many days of debate on this subject...what have we really achieved ?"

Do we/can we predict ONLY by using the Vimshottari Dasa alone system...? Then why the hullabulloo ?

Once again, I urge ALL, to READ Mr.Raichur's illuminating article in K.P. & Astrology..."The Craze for Accuracy"...I & II,in the 1997 & 1998 issues of the K.P. & Astrology,respectively...

With highest regards,

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:

Dear List Members,

Reference Mr Rangarajan's email below, I would like to submit the following.

Before the advent of computers, astrologers had to refer to Tables and manually draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table. For this, taking one year as being equal to 360 days was very convenient because all 12 months in the year (including Jan, Feb, Apr, Jun, Sep and Nov) are allocated 30 days each. Placed in the Green Table in the attached Excel file please find my own dasa chart drawn up using the "Astrological Tables for All, Ready Reckoner", published by Hariman Publications. For purposes of illustration, Moon dasa has been further expanded to include it's bhuktis and anthras.

With the advent of computers, such laborious manual calculations are no longer necessary. Most computer programs can display the dasa/bhukti/anthras table almost instantaneously. Most computer programs also provide the option to select 365.25 days per year or 360 days per year. Placed in the Red Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 365.25 days per year option selected. Placed in the Blue Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 360 days per year option selected. The dates for both these tables have been taken from a leading astrology program.

Compare the dates shown in the tables for the start and end of each dasa, bhukti or anthras. Notice the dates shown in the Red and Green tables are very close to each other and NEVER more than 2 days apart. The dates shown in the Red Table are the correct ones. The dates shown in the Green Table are acceptably close since they are never more than two days away from the correct dates shown in the Red Table. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said, "For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days are taken, as the difference is negligible".

One can certainly use the 360 days per year option to draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table but it MUST be laid out against a 360 days per year calendar as shown in the Green Table. But with the advent of computers the Green Table is no longer necessary. The dates shown in the Red Table are more accurate. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said, "Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be adopted."

Now compare the dates shown in the Blue Table against the dates shown in the Red Table. The difference in the dates progressively increases. Ketu dasa ACTUALLY ends on 26 Nov 2054, as shown in the Red Table but as per the Blue Table it is shown to end on 15 Apr 2053. The difference is one year, seven months and eleven days. This is a VERY large error and totally unacceptable.

If one lays out the 360 days per year chart against a Real Time, 365.25 days per year, Gregorian Calendar, one will come up with the Blue Table, as shown. These dates are completely wrong. In the Vimshotdhari Dasa cycle each planet is allocated a certain number of years and the whole cycle is to take 120 years. The dates shown in the Blue Table do not meet these requirements. Yet most astrology programs have the option to generate such a table. I can't understand this anomaly. Can't computer programmers, who are also astrologers, understand the various factors involved here? With what authority and on what basis have they reduced the number of years allocated to each planet?

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear All,> I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw > your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has > argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In > particular, you will this towards the end of page 97: > "... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days > alone is to be adopted.> For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days > are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be > taken."> > I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if you > wish.> > Regards,> Rangarajan> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/vnd.ms-excel name=365.25 vs 360 days per year.xls

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Dear Mr Vaidun Vidyadhar

I cannot understand how the start of the Main Dasa varies by ONE YEAR.

If you send me your Birth Details, I will cast the chart and indicate when your

Saturn Dasa Starts

Good Luck

--- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:

> Dear Mr Rao,

>

> Thank you for your email below.

>

> Let me put this way. I am now running Jupiter dasa. When my Saturn dasa

> starts, going by astrological indications, I can expect certain influences

> to start shaping my life. Now I need to know, WHEN does my Saturn dasa

> start? The Vimshotdhari dasa system is one of the corner stones in vedic

> astrology around which astrological predictions are made. This is one of

> the main differences between Vedic and Western astrology. So I need to know

> when my Saturn dasa will start. If you look at the dasa tables shown in the

> Excel files that I had earlier sent, the date of commencement of my Saturn

> dasa is shown. In the Red Table the date is shown as 26 Nov 2011 whereas

> in the Blue Table it is shown as 27 Nov 2010. The difference is one FULL

> YEAR. Which one is correct? If we are not able to get the correct start

> date of the MAIN dasa period itself, how can we go down to further sub and

> sub sub periods? Hairsplitting is when we are keen to go down to the

> fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh level. But in this case the onset of the

> very main dasa period ITSELF is in question.

>

> I agree with you, we don't predict ONLY by the dasa/bhukti periods. But,

> nevertheless, the Vimshotdhari dasa system still remains a very important

> and useful tool to the astrologer.

>

> With best regards.

>

> Vaidun Vidyadhar

> 1 / 94 Marius Street

> Tamworth, NSW 2340

> Australia

> Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home)

> Mobile: 0414 870 083

> Email: <vvidya vvidya

>

> _____

>

> Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1]

> Sunday, 6 March 2005 5:14 PM

>

> RE: Re: Vimshottari Period

>

> Dear Vaidun,

> Thank you for the comparisons...BUT,you have not addressed

> my question...

> " In the face of the availability of a variety of very successful

> methods available to us,in K.P.,itself,and especially the TRANSIT of the

> Moon/Sun/Ascendant wherever appropriate...or the s/l of the Karaka House,or

> the s/l of the XIth cusp over the Karaka house cusp...etc...despite all

> this...this " hairsplitting " on the length of the Vimshottari Year...is

> truly a futile exercise in hairsplitting...after so

> many days of debate on this subject...what have we really achieved ? "

> Do we/can we predict ONLY by using the Vimshottari Dasa

> alone system...? Then why the hullabulloo ?

> Once again, I urge ALL, to READ Mr.Raichur's illuminating

> article in K.P. & Astrology... " The Craze for Accuracy " ...I & II,in the 1997

> & 1998 issues of the K.P. & Astrology,respectively...

> With highest regards,

> Yours sincerely,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:

>

> Dear List Members,

>

> Reference Mr Rangarajan's email below, I would like to submit the following.

>

> Before the advent of computers, astrologers had to refer to Tables and

> manually draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table. For this, taking one year as

> being equal to 360 days was very convenient because all 12 months in the

> year (including Jan, Feb, Apr, Jun, Sep and Nov) are allocated 30 days each.

> Placed in the Green Table in the attached Excel file please find my own dasa

> chart drawn up using the " Astrological Tables for All, Ready Reckoner " ,

> published by Hariman Publications. For purposes of illustration, Moon dasa

> has been further expanded to include it's bhuktis and anthras.

>

> With the advent of computers, such laborious manual calculations are no

> longer necessary. Most computer programs can display the

> dasa/bhukti/anthras table almost instantaneously. Most computer programs

> also provide the option to select 365.25 days per year or 360 days per year.

> Placed in the Red Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 365.25 days per

> year option selected. Placed in the Blue Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras

> with the 360 days per year option selected. The dates for both these tables

> have been taken from a leading astrology program.

>

> Compare the dates shown in the tables for the start and end of each dasa,

> bhukti or anthras. Notice the dates shown in the Red and Green tables are

> very close to each other and NEVER more than 2 days apart. The dates shown

> in the Red Table are the correct ones. The dates shown in the Green Table

> are acceptably close since they are never more than two days away from the

> correct dates shown in the Red Table. This is what Prof KSK meant when he

> said, " For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days

> are taken, as the difference is negligible " .

>

> One can certainly use the 360 days per year option to draw up a

> dasa/bhukti/anthras table but it MUST be laid out against a 360 days per

> year calendar as shown in the Green Table. But with the advent of computers

> the Green Table is no longer necessary. The dates shown in the Red Table

> are more accurate. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said, " Hence only

> Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be adopted. "

>

> Now compare the dates shown in the Blue Table against the dates shown in the

> Red Table. The difference in the dates progressively increases. Ketu dasa

> ACTUALLY ends on 26 Nov 2054, as shown in the Red Table but as per the Blue

> Table it is shown to end on 15 Apr 2053. The difference is one year, seven

> months and eleven days. This is a VERY large error and totally

> unacceptable.

>

> If one lays out the 360 days per year chart against a Real Time, 365.25 days

> per year, Gregorian Calendar, one will come up with the Blue Table, as

> shown. These dates are completely wrong. In the Vimshotdhari Dasa cycle

> each planet is allocated a certain number of years and the whole cycle is to

> take 120 years. The dates shown in the Blue Table do not meet these

> requirements. Yet most astrology programs have the option to generate such

> a table. I can't understand this anomaly. Can't computer programmers, who

> are also astrologers, understand the various factors involved here? With

> what authority and on what basis have they reduced the number of years

> allocated to each planet?

>

> Vaidun Vidyadhar

> 1 / 94 Marius Street

> Tamworth, NSW 2340

> Australia

> Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home)

> Mobile: 0414 870 083

> Email: <vvidya vvidya

>

> , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

> <ranga@m...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> > I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw

> > your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has

> > argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In

> > particular, you will this towards the end of page 97:

> > " ... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days

> > alone is to be adopted.

> > For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360

> days

> > are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be

> > taken. "

> >

> > I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if

> you

> > wish.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rangarajan

>

> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/vnd.ms-excel name=365.25 vs 360 days per

> year.xls

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March 6, 2005

Dear Vaidun,

As for me,I personally use Mr.Raichur's software,and fine-tune,to find the exact period of fructification of the event,with the help of Ruling Planets,and the Transit of the relevant karaka house cusp s/lord over the XIth cusp...if it is promotion,the Xth sublord's transit over the XIth cusp,if the sublord of the XIth is a fast moving planet in an Arial sign then,the Moon's transit...,and so on...

Also,therefore,for accuracy I prefer the Horary method ALWAYS...In fact I always advise consultants to send me a query along with a horary number along with their TOB,POB & DOB...as in my experience most birth times are not noted strictly as per K.P.,ie at the time of the "first cry" of the newborn...

Thus far by following the above I have been able to achieve a success-rate of 19/20 correct predictions...a fairly high percentage,you'll agree...Frankly, I DO NOT AIM FOR 100% ACCURACY...I am happy,and so are the vast majority of my consultants,very happy with a 90% + rate of accuracy...! !

I have tried to reply to your query to the best of my ability...and through my experience...I hope I have been able to satisfy you...

With best wishes,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:

Dear Mr Rao,

Thank you for your email below.

Let me put this way. I am now running Jupiter dasa. When my Saturn dasa starts, going by astrological indications, I can expect certain influences to start shaping my life. Now I need to know, WHEN does my Saturn dasa start? The Vimshotdhari dasa system is one of the corner stones in vedic astrology around which astrological predictions are made. This is one of the main differences between Vedic and Western astrology. So I need to know when my Saturn dasa will start. If you look at the dasa tables shown in the Excel files that I had earlier sent, the date of commencement of my Saturn dasa is shown. In the Red Table the date is shown as 26 Nov 2011 whereas in the Blue Table it is shown as 27 Nov 2010. The difference is one FULL YEAR. Which one is correct? If we are not able to get the correct start date of the MAIN dasa

period itself, how can we go down to further sub and sub sub periods? Hairsplitting is when we are keen to go down to the fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh level. But in this case the onset of the very main dasa period ITSELF is in question.