Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MARS AND RAHU ARE IN SECOND HOUSE AND SATURN AND KETU IN EIGHTH HOUSE .............DEATH DUE TO ACCIDENTAL REASON OR kILLED BY ANY ONE FROM FAMILY ? OR ELSE ? - Vaidun Vidyadhar Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:30 PM RE: Re: Vimshottari Period Dear List Members, Mr Raichur has very kindly pointed out that the difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year comes to only 1 day. Prof KSK himself said "the difference is negligible". If one uses astrological tables and manually calculates the dasa periods as per the guidelines given in Prof KSK Readers, as I have done in the Green Table, (in my earlier email attachment) the difference IS actually less than one day (19 hours and 38 minutes to be exact). On the other hand, I have before me four astrology programs which have the facility to select 365.25 or 360 days per year. When I do this, I find that the difference is NOT negligible. In my own chart, the onset of my Saturn dasa is different by ONE YEAR, as shown below. Program 365.25 days/year 360 days/year Goravani Jyotish 26 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 Shri Jyoti Star 29 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 KPAstro2.0 27 Nov 2011 29 Nov 2010 Jyotish Tools 24 Nov 2011 25 Nov 2010 A few months ago when this subject was being discussed on this list a similar anomaly was seen in the program called "Fortune Discoverer" being developed by Mr Rajasekaran. So we have FIVE astrology programs developed by five different astrologers who obviously know what they are putting into their program. All five programs show that difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year is almost ONE YEAR while at para one above it is seen that the difference is less than a day. How do you reconcile this GROSS anomaly? You can try this on any chart. Take a period about 70 to 80 years after birth and see the difference in onset of a major dasa when 365.25 or 360 days per year is selected. You will get similar results. My knowledge of astrology is only at the intermediate level, though I have a fairly good understanding of the mathematics involved. With MY limited knowledge of astrology, if it was I who said that the difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year is only one day, while the astrology programs show a difference of one year, I suppose my claim can be dismissed as rubbish. But it was Mr RAICHUR who has said this. Mr Raichur, as you all know is an expert on this subject, having contributed well known articles on this subject from time to time. He is a recognised authority in astrology. HE has mathematically shown that the difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year, in my chart, is only one day. He has gone as far as to say, "ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to only 1 day. So why should we break our heads over this small variation?" But these five astrology programs show that the difference is ONE YEAR. If Mr Raichur is correct then these five astrology programs are wrong and vice versa. Can someone who has understood this point kindly take the trouble to explain. I will be very obliged. Thanks for your time. With regards. Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya anant raichur [anant_1608] Monday, 7 March 2005 11:15 PM Subject: RE: Re: Vimshottari Period Dear VaidunThanks for correcting my mistakes.However, ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to only 1 day as calculated by you. So why should we break our heads over this smallvariation ?good luck--- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:> Dear Mr Raichur,> > Thank you for your email below.> > There is a small mathematical error in your calculation. You have said:> > "0.435*12 = 5. 34 months"> > It should be, 0.435*12 = 5.22 months and not 5.34 months as stated above.> > ****************************************************************************> *************> > The full calculations using the 360 days per year is as follows:> > Venus dasa balance in degrees = 8:17:24> > Venus dasa balance in years = 29844/48000*20 = 12.435 years (same as your> calculations so far)> > 0.435*12 = 5.22 months> 0.22*30 = 6.6 days> 0.6*24 = 14.4 hours> 0.4*60 = 24 minutes> > So Venus dasa balance works out to 12 years, 5 months, 6 days, 14 hours and> 24 minutes.> > Adding this to date and time of birth: 20 Jun 1942, 1549 hours we get> > Venus dasa ends on 27 Nov 1954 at 0613 hours.> > In the Green Table I have indicated 27 Nov 1954 and left out the "0613> hours"> > ****************************************************************************> ****> > The full calculations using the 365.25 days per year is as follows:> > Venus dasa balance in years = 12.435 > 0.435*365 = 158.775 days (we need to multiply by 365 since the year 1942 was> not a leap year)> 0.775*24 = 18.6 hours> 0.6*60 = 36 minutes> > So Venus dasa balance is: 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes.> > Adding 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes to birth date and time of> 20th June, 1549 hours (on the real time calendar) we get:> > Venus dasa ends on: 26 Nov 1954 at 1025 hours.> > In the Red Table it is shown as 26 Nov 1954 and the 1025 hours has been left> out. This is what the computer has calculated.> > ****************************************************************************> *****************************> > In the Blue Table, Venus dasa is shown to end on 22 Sep 1954. This is not> MY calculation. This date was provided by the computer program when I> selected the 360 days per year option. I have clearly explained in my> earlier email addressed to TW as to HOW this error is happening. The dates> shown in the Blue Table are wrong. I have clearly explained WHY it is> wrong. > > ****************************************************************************> *************************************> > Submitted for your comments on this please.> > Thanks. With best regards.> > Vaidun Vidyadhar > 1 / 94 Marius Street > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > Australia > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > Email: <vvidya vvidya > > > > > _____ > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > Monday, 7 March 2005 6:36 PM> > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > Dear Vidyadhar> > I append below the calculations of Dasa ending by using the 360 and 365.25> day> method.> > your comments on this.> > > > > Dear Vaidun Vaaidyadhar> > Assuming the Moon,s postion as correct, the Balance of Dasa Of Ven is> > 8-17-24 deg,min,sec: This is 497.24 minutes of arc.> > Traditional or easy method of 360 days.> > This is converted into time : 497.24/800 * 20 (20yrs Dasa of Venus)> > This gives 12.435 Yrs. .435 yrs= .435*12 = 5. 34 months. .34 months*30> > =10,02 days. Say 10 days. So balance is 12yrs, 5months, 10days.> > Adding to Birth date we get 20+10=30days: 6+5=11 months: 1942+12=1954 year> > so the Venus dasa ends on 30 Nov 1954> > Sun dasa ends 6 ys later 30 Nov 1960 > > Moon dasa ends 10 yrs 30 Nov 1970 and so on> > ------------------------------> > If we take 365.25 days, then we should take dasa of venus as 365.25*20=> 7310.50> dates> > So Balace of dasa will be 497.24/800 * 7310.5 = 4545.30 days > > 4545.3/365.25 = 12.44436 years > > this is 12 years 162 days. So adding 162 calender days to 20 jun 1942, one > > gets 10 dys of JUN. 31 of july,31 of aug, 3o of Sep, 31 of oct,+30 in Nov> > So date is 30 nov 1954. > > _________________________> if however we take .435*365.25 we get 158.88 say 159 days. Thus we lose 3> days> ------- > > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:> > > Dear Mr. Raichur,> > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > My birth details were clearly stated in the Excel file. However, I am> > reproducing this below:> > > > Vaidun K Vidyadhar > > Date and time of birth: 20 June 1942, 1549 hours (Indian Standard Time,> GMT> > + 5:30) > > Place of birth: Walajapet, Lat 12N56, Long 79E23 > > Moon's longitude at birth: 138:22:36, 18:22:36 in Leo > > Venus dasa balance in degrees: 8:17:24 > > Venus dasa balance in years: 12.435 > > > > The dates shown in the Red and Blue tables in the Excel file are the exact> > dates derived from Goravani Gyotish 2.25 by selecting the 365 or 360 days> > per year option. If you have this program, you can try it out for> yourself.> > I have two other astrology programs which also have this facility, Shri> > Jyoti Star and Jyotish Tools. The dates shown there are also quite close> > the ones shown in the Excel file.> > > > With best regards.> > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > Australia > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > Email: <vvidya vvidya > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:06 PM> > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > > > > Dear Mr Vaidun Vidyadhar> > > > I cannot understand how the start of the Main Dasa varies by ONE YEAR.> > > > If you send me your Birth Details, I will cast the chart and indicate when> > your> > Saturn Dasa Starts> === message truncated ========--------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranantUSE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Dear Vaidun, It seems to me that the crux of the whole issue is the definition of " day " . I quote from your earlier posting: " This is what most computer programmers, who are also astrologers, have not understood. The length of a day in the Red Table is one solar day, made up of 24 hours. But the length of a DAY in the Green Table is not the same, it is slightly MORE than 24 hours. The length of the year in the 365.25 days per year calendar and the length of the year in the 360 days per year calendar is the SAME. If one divides the SAME length by 365.25 in one case, and 360 in another case, it will be appreciated that the resultant unit that one gets will not be the same. The unit in the former is 24 hours while the unit in the latter will be a little MORE than 24 hours. The confusion arises because both units are referred to as a " day " . But in reality, one unit is slightly shorter than the other, though both units are given the same name of " day " . ... " It is not clear to me how you say that " day " as used in Vimshottari context is different in value from the " day " in solar year. In your view, 360 * vimshottari_day == 365.25 * solar_day What is the source that supports this claim? Suppose we exaggerate this a little bit and propose that Vimshottari year had only 200 days, will the above equality still hold good? I believe all the programs you have mentioned use the assumption that " day " refers to solar day. At least mine does. I am sure all of us programmers (whether we know astrology or not) follow certain principles when we program and we are definitely open to correction. If we are wrong, we would certainly like to correct our belief systems and the programs. In spite of our best efforts, though, there will be calculation approximations because of the finiteness of machine word, etc., but that should be acceptable. Rehards, Rangarajan , " Vaidun Vidyadhar " <vvidya@o...> wrote: > Dear List Members, > > Mr Raichur has very kindly pointed out that the difference between using > 365.25 or 360 days per year comes to only 1 day. Prof KSK himself said " the > difference is negligible " . If one uses astrological tables and manually > calculates the dasa periods as per the guidelines given in Prof KSK Readers, > as I have done in the Green Table, (in my earlier email attachment) the > difference IS actually less than one day (19 hours and 38 minutes to be > exact). > > On the other hand, I have before me four astrology programs which have the > facility to select 365.25 or 360 days per year. When I do this, I find that > the difference is NOT negligible. In my own chart, the onset of my Saturn > dasa is different by ONE YEAR, as shown below. > > Program 365.25 days/year 360 days/year > Goravani Jyotish 26 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 > Shri Jyoti Star 29 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 > KPAstro2.0 27 Nov 2011 29 Nov 2010 > Jyotish Tools 24 Nov 2011 25 Nov 2010 > > A few months ago when this subject was being discussed on this list a > similar anomaly was seen in the program called " Fortune Discoverer " being > developed by Mr Rajasekaran. > > So we have FIVE astrology programs developed by five different astrologers > who obviously know what they are putting into their program. All five > programs show that difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year is > almost ONE YEAR while at para one above it is seen that the difference is > less than a day. How do you reconcile this GROSS anomaly? You can try this > on any chart. Take a period about 70 to 80 years after birth and see the > difference in onset of a major dasa when 365.25 or 360 days per year is > selected. You will get similar results. > > My knowledge of astrology is only at the intermediate level, though I have a > fairly good understanding of the mathematics involved. With MY limited > knowledge of astrology, if it was I who said that the difference between > using 365.25 or 360 days per year is only one day, while the astrology > programs show a difference of one year, I suppose my claim can be dismissed > as rubbish. But it was Mr RAICHUR who has said this. Mr Raichur, as you > all know is an expert on this subject, having contributed well known > articles on this subject from time to time. He is a recognised authority in > astrology. HE has mathematically shown that the difference between using > 365.25 or 360 days per year, in my chart, is only one day. He has gone as > far as to say, " ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to > only 1 day. So why should we break our heads over this small variation? " > > But these five astrology programs show that the difference is ONE YEAR. > > If Mr Raichur is correct then these five astrology programs are wrong and > vice versa. > > Can someone who has understood this point kindly take the trouble to > explain. I will be very obliged. > > Thanks for your time. With regards. > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > 1 / 94 Marius Street > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > Australia > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > _____ > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > Monday, 7 March 2005 11:15 PM > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > > Dear Vaidun > > Thanks for correcting my mistakes. > > However, ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to only 1 > day > > as calculated by you. So why should we break our heads over this small > > variation ? > > good luck > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote: > > > Dear Mr Raichur, > > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > There is a small mathematical error in your calculation. You have said: > > > > " 0.435*12 = 5. 34 months " > > > > It should be, 0.435*12 = 5.22 months and not 5.34 months as stated above. > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > ************* > > > > The full calculations using the 360 days per year is as follows: > > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees = 8:17:24 > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 29844/48000*20 = 12.435 years (same as your > > calculations so far) > > > > 0.435*12 = 5.22 months > > 0.22*30 = 6.6 days > > 0.6*24 = 14.4 hours > > 0.4*60 = 24 minutes > > > > So Venus dasa balance works out to 12 years, 5 months, 6 days, 14 hours > and > > 24 minutes. > > > > Adding this to date and time of birth: 20 Jun 1942, 1549 hours we get > > > > Venus dasa ends on 27 Nov 1954 at 0613 hours. > > > > In the Green Table I have indicated 27 Nov 1954 and left out the " 0613 > > hours " > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > **** > > > > The full calculations using the 365.25 days per year is as follows: > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 12.435 > > 0.435*365 = 158.775 days (we need to multiply by 365 since the year 1942 > was > > not a leap year) > > 0.775*24 = 18.6 hours > > 0.6*60 = 36 minutes > > > > So Venus dasa balance is: 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes. > > > > Adding 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes to birth date and time of > > 20th June, 1549 hours (on the real time calendar) we get: > > > > Venus dasa ends on: 26 Nov 1954 at 1025 hours. > > > > In the Red Table it is shown as 26 Nov 1954 and the 1025 hours has been > left > > out. This is what the computer has calculated. > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > ***************************** > > > > In the Blue Table, Venus dasa is shown to end on 22 Sep 1954. This is not > > MY calculation. This date was provided by the computer program when I > > selected the 360 days per year option. I have clearly explained in my > > earlier email addressed to TW as to HOW this error is happening. The > dates > > shown in the Blue Table are wrong. I have clearly explained WHY it is > > wrong. > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > ************************************* > > > > Submitted for your comments on this please. > > > > Thanks. With best regards. > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > Australia > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > Monday, 7 March 2005 6:36 PM > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > > > > > Dear Vidyadhar > > > > I append below the calculations of Dasa ending by using the 360 and 365.25 > > day > > method. > > > > your comments on this. > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vaidun Vaaidyadhar > > > > Assuming the Moon,s postion as correct, the Balance of Dasa Of Ven is > > > > 8-17-24 deg,min,sec: This is 497.24 minutes of arc. > > > > Traditional or easy method of 360 days. > > > > This is converted into time : 497.24/800 * 20 (20yrs Dasa of Venus) > > > > This gives 12.435 Yrs. .435 yrs= .435*12 = 5. 34 months. .34 months*30 > > > > =10,02 days. Say 10 days. So balance is 12yrs, 5months, 10days. > > > > Adding to Birth date we get 20+10=30days: 6+5=11 months: 1942+12=1954 year > > > > so the Venus dasa ends on 30 Nov 1954 > > > > Sun dasa ends 6 ys later 30 Nov 1960 > > > > Moon dasa ends 10 yrs 30 Nov 1970 and so on > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > If we take 365.25 days, then we should take dasa of venus as 365.25*20= > > 7310.50 > > dates > > > > So Balace of dasa will be 497.24/800 * 7310.5 = 4545.30 days > > > > 4545.3/365.25 = 12.44436 years > > > > this is 12 years 162 days. So adding 162 calender days to 20 jun 1942, one > > > > > gets 10 dys of JUN. 31 of july,31 of aug, 3o of Sep, 31 of oct,+30 in Nov > > > > So date is 30 nov 1954. > > > > _________________________ > > if however we take .435*365.25 we get 158.88 say 159 days. Thus we lose 3 > > days > > ------- > > > > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Mr. Raichur, > > > > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > > > My birth details were clearly stated in the Excel file. However, I am > > > reproducing this below: > > > > > > Vaidun K Vidyadhar > > > Date and time of birth: 20 June 1942, 1549 hours (Indian Standard Time, > > GMT > > > + 5:30) > > > Place of birth: Walajapet, Lat 12N56, Long 79E23 > > > Moon's longitude at birth: 138:22:36, 18:22:36 in Leo > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees: 8:17:24 > > > Venus dasa balance in years: 12.435 > > > > > > The dates shown in the Red and Blue tables in the Excel file are the > exact > > > dates derived from Goravani Gyotish 2.25 by selecting the 365 or 360 > days > > > per year option. If you have this program, you can try it out for > > yourself. > > > I have two other astrology programs which also have this facility, Shri > > > Jyoti Star and Jyotish Tools. The dates shown there are also quite > close > > > the ones shown in the Excel file. > > > > > > With best regards. > > > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > > Australia > > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > > Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:06 PM > > > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Vaidun Vidyadhar > > > > > > I cannot understand how the start of the Main Dasa varies by ONE YEAR. > > > > > > If you send me your Birth Details, I will cast the chart and indicate > when > > > your > > > Saturn Dasa Starts > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > --------- > A.R.Raichur bombay > anant_1608 > raichuranant > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > tel: 022-2506 2609 > --------- > > > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday./netrospective/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Dear Vaidun, What are the ayanamsa values followed by these 5 programmes ? Just curious... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1raju bokaariya <bokaariya wrote: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MARS AND RAHU ARE IN SECOND HOUSE AND SATURN AND KETU IN EIGHTH HOUSE .............DEATH DUE TO ACCIDENTAL REASON OR kILLED BY ANY ONE FROM FAMILY ? OR ELSE ? - Vaidun Vidyadhar Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:30 PM RE: Re: Vimshottari Period Dear List Members, Mr Raichur has very kindly pointed out that the difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year comes to only 1 day. Prof KSK himself said "the difference is negligible". If one uses astrological tables and manually calculates the dasa periods as per the guidelines given in Prof KSK Readers, as I have done in the Green Table, (in my earlier email attachment) the difference IS actually less than one day (19 hours and 38 minutes to be exact). On the other hand, I have before me four astrology programs which have the facility to select 365.25 or 360 days per year. When I do this, I find that the difference is NOT negligible. In my own chart, the onset of my Saturn dasa is different by ONE YEAR, as shown below. Program 365.25 days/year 360 days/year Goravani Jyotish 26 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 Shri Jyoti Star 29 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 KPAstro2.0 27 Nov 2011 29 Nov 2010 Jyotish Tools 24 Nov 2011 25 Nov 2010 A few months ago when this subject was being discussed on this list a similar anomaly was seen in the program called "Fortune Discoverer" being developed by Mr Rajasekaran. So we have FIVE astrology programs developed by five different astrologers who obviously know what they are putting into their program. All five programs show that difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year is almost ONE YEAR while at para one above it is seen that the difference is less than a day. How do you reconcile this GROSS anomaly? You can try this on any chart. Take a period about 70 to 80 years after birth and see the difference in onset of a major dasa when 365.25 or 360 days per year is selected. You will get similar results. My knowledge of astrology is only at the intermediate level, though I have a fairly good understanding of the mathematics involved. With MY limited knowledge of astrology, if it was I who said that the difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year is only one day, while the astrology programs show a difference of one year, I suppose my claim can be dismissed as rubbish. But it was Mr RAICHUR who has said this. Mr Raichur, as you all know is an expert on this subject, having contributed well known articles on this subject from time to time. He is a recognised authority in astrology. HE has mathematically shown that the difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year, in my chart, is only one day. He has gone as far as to say, "ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to only 1 day. So why should we break our heads over this small variation?" But these five astrology programs show that the difference is ONE YEAR. If Mr Raichur is correct then these five astrology programs are wrong and vice versa. Can someone who has understood this point kindly take the trouble to explain. I will be very obliged. Thanks for your time. With regards. Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya anant raichur [anant_1608] Monday, 7 March 2005 11:15 PM Subject: RE: Re: Vimshottari Period Dear VaidunThanks for correcting my mistakes.However, ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to only 1 day as calculated by you. So why should we break our heads over this smallvariation ?good luck--- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:> Dear Mr Raichur,> > Thank you for your email below.> > There is a small mathematical error in your calculation. You have said:> > "0.435*12 = 5. 34 months"> > It should be, 0.435*12 = 5.22 months and not 5.34 months as stated above.> > ****************************************************************************> *************> > The full calculations using the 360 days per year is as follows:> > Venus dasa balance in degrees = 8:17:24> > Venus dasa balance in years = 29844/48000*20 = 12.435 years (same as your> calculations so far)> > 0.435*12 = 5.22 months> 0.22*30 = 6.6 days> 0.6*24 = 14.4 hours> 0.4*60 = 24 minutes> > So Venus dasa balance works out to 12 years, 5 months, 6 days, 14 hours and> 24 minutes.> > Adding this to date and time of birth: 20 Jun 1942, 1549 hours we get> > Venus dasa ends on 27 Nov 1954 at 0613 hours.> > In the Green Table I have indicated 27 Nov 1954 and left out the "0613> hours"> > ****************************************************************************> ****> > The full calculations using the 365.25 days per year is as follows:> > Venus dasa balance in years = 12.435 > 0.435*365 = 158.775 days (we need to multiply by 365 since the year 1942 was> not a leap year)> 0.775*24 = 18.6 hours> 0.6*60 = 36 minutes> > So Venus dasa balance is: 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes.> > Adding 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes to birth date and time of> 20th June, 1549 hours (on the real time calendar) we get:> > Venus dasa ends on: 26 Nov 1954 at 1025 hours.> > In the Red Table it is shown as 26 Nov 1954 and the 1025 hours has been left> out. This is what the computer has calculated.> > ****************************************************************************> *****************************> > In the Blue Table, Venus dasa is shown to end on 22 Sep 1954. This is not> MY calculation. This date was provided by the computer program when I> selected the 360 days per year option. I have clearly explained in my> earlier email addressed to TW as to HOW this error is happening. The dates> shown in the Blue Table are wrong. I have clearly explained WHY it is> wrong. > > ****************************************************************************> *************************************> > Submitted for your comments on this please.> > Thanks. With best regards.> > Vaidun Vidyadhar > 1 / 94 Marius Street > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > Australia > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > Email: <vvidya vvidya > > > > > _____ > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > Monday, 7 March 2005 6:36 PM> > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > Dear Vidyadhar> > I append below the calculations of Dasa ending by using the 360 and 365.25> day> method.> > your comments on this.> > > > > Dear Vaidun Vaaidyadhar> > Assuming the Moon,s postion as correct, the Balance of Dasa Of Ven is> > 8-17-24 deg,min,sec: This is 497.24 minutes of arc.> > Traditional or easy method of 360 days.> > This is converted into time : 497.24/800 * 20 (20yrs Dasa of Venus)> > This gives 12.435 Yrs. .435 yrs= .435*12 = 5. 34 months. .34 months*30> > =10,02 days. Say 10 days. So balance is 12yrs, 5months, 10days.> > Adding to Birth date we get 20+10=30days: 6+5=11 months: 1942+12=1954 year> > so the Venus dasa ends on 30 Nov 1954> > Sun dasa ends 6 ys later 30 Nov 1960 > > Moon dasa ends 10 yrs 30 Nov 1970 and so on> > ------------------------------> > If we take 365.25 days, then we should take dasa of venus as 365.25*20=> 7310.50> dates> > So Balace of dasa will be 497.24/800 * 7310.5 = 4545.30 days > > 4545.3/365.25 = 12.44436 years > > this is 12 years 162 days. So adding 162 calender days to 20 jun 1942, one > > gets 10 dys of JUN. 31 of july,31 of aug, 3o of Sep, 31 of oct,+30 in Nov> > So date is 30 nov 1954. > > _________________________> if however we take .435*365.25 we get 158.88 say 159 days. Thus we lose 3> days> ------- > > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:> > > Dear Mr. Raichur,> > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > My birth details were clearly stated in the Excel file. However, I am> > reproducing this below:> > > > Vaidun K Vidyadhar > > Date and time of birth: 20 June 1942, 1549 hours (Indian Standard Time,> GMT> > + 5:30) > > Place of birth: Walajapet, Lat 12N56, Long 79E23 > > Moon's longitude at birth: 138:22:36, 18:22:36 in Leo > > Venus dasa balance in degrees: 8:17:24 > > Venus dasa balance in years: 12.435 > > > > The dates shown in the Red and Blue tables in the Excel file are the exact> > dates derived from Goravani Gyotish 2.25 by selecting the 365 or 360 days> > per year option. If you have this program, you can try it out for> yourself.> > I have two other astrology programs which also have this facility, Shri> > Jyoti Star and Jyotish Tools. The dates shown there are also quite close> > the ones shown in the Excel file.> > > > With best regards.> > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > Australia > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > Email: <vvidya vvidya > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:06 PM> > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > > > > Dear Mr Vaidun Vidyadhar> > > > I cannot understand how the start of the Main Dasa varies by ONE YEAR.> > > > If you send me your Birth Details, I will cast the chart and indicate when> > your> > Saturn Dasa Starts> === message truncated ========--------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranantUSE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Dear Members The Dasa Periods of Planets given are in SOLAR YEARS. This naturally is 365.25 dayss. It is only when we are considering the fractions of a Year that the questtion of 360/ 365.25 days arises... This cannot apply to THE FULL DASA YRS. The Total of Dasa Years is 120. This is 120*365.25 days. It is not NOT 120*360 days. I have calculated the DASA,BHUKTI,ANTARA on the basis of 1 = 12 months. 1 month =30 days. I have corrected june 32 to JULY 2, or FEB 30 to MARch 2 and I have found no problems at all. In fact the predictions based on these were correct to the date. I do not wish to comment on the Other Astrological Programmes, because I have not used them, nor do I know the Astrologer who has developed these progs. One way to test is to calculate the DASA,BHUKTI,ANTARA,Sookshma on the Date of YOUR PERSONAL Important Event (Marriage, Joing Service, Going Abroad) and then see which calculation/SW Correctly indicates these known events. GOOD LUCK --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote: > Dear List Members, > > Mr Raichur has very kindly pointed out that the difference between using > 365.25 or 360 days per year comes to only 1 day. Prof KSK himself said " the > difference is negligible " . If one uses astrological tables and manually > calculates the dasa periods as per the guidelines given in Prof KSK Readers, > as I have done in the Green Table, (in my earlier email attachment) the > difference IS actually less than one day (19 hours and 38 minutes to be > exact). > > On the other hand, I have before me four astrology programs which have the > facility to select 365.25 or 360 days per year. When I do this, I find that > the difference is NOT negligible. In my own chart, the onset of my Saturn > dasa is different by ONE YEAR, as shown below. > > Program 365.25 days/year 360 days/year > Goravani Jyotish 26 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 > Shri Jyoti Star 29 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 > KPAstro2.0 27 Nov 2011 29 Nov 2010 > Jyotish Tools 24 Nov 2011 25 Nov 2010 > > A few months ago when this subject was being discussed on this list a > similar anomaly was seen in the program called " Fortune Discoverer " being > developed by Mr Rajasekaran. > > So we have FIVE astrology programs developed by five different astrologers > who obviously know what they are putting into their program. All five > programs show that difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year is > almost ONE YEAR while at para one above it is seen that the difference is > less than a day. How do you reconcile this GROSS anomaly? You can try this > on any chart. Take a period about 70 to 80 years after birth and see the > difference in onset of a major dasa when 365.25 or 360 days per year is > selected. You will get similar results. > > My knowledge of astrology is only at the intermediate level, though I have a > fairly good understanding of the mathematics involved. With MY limited > knowledge of astrology, if it was I who said that the difference between > using 365.25 or 360 days per year is only one day, while the astrology > programs show a difference of one year, I suppose my claim can be dismissed > as rubbish. But it was Mr RAICHUR who has said this. Mr Raichur, as you > all know is an expert on this subject, having contributed well known > articles on this subject from time to time. He is a recognised authority in > astrology. HE has mathematically shown that the difference between using > 365.25 or 360 days per year, in my chart, is only one day. He has gone as > far as to say, " ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to > only 1 day. So why should we break our heads over this small variation? " > > But these five astrology programs show that the difference is ONE YEAR. > > If Mr Raichur is correct then these five astrology programs are wrong and > vice versa. > > Can someone who has understood this point kindly take the trouble to > explain. I will be very obliged. > > Thanks for your time. With regards. > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > 1 / 94 Marius Street > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > Australia > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > Email: <vvidya vvidya > > > > > _____ > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > Monday, 7 March 2005 11:15 PM > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > > Dear Vaidun > > Thanks for correcting my mistakes. > > However, ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to only 1 > day > > as calculated by you. So why should we break our heads over this small > > variation ? > > good luck > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote: > > > Dear Mr Raichur, > > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > There is a small mathematical error in your calculation. You have said: > > > > " 0.435*12 = 5. 34 months " > > > > It should be, 0.435*12 = 5.22 months and not 5.34 months as stated above. > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > ************* > > > > The full calculations using the 360 days per year is as follows: > > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees = 8:17:24 > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 29844/48000*20 = 12.435 years (same as your > > calculations so far) > > > > 0.435*12 = 5.22 months > > 0.22*30 = 6.6 days > > 0.6*24 = 14.4 hours > > 0.4*60 = 24 minutes > > > > So Venus dasa balance works out to 12 years, 5 months, 6 days, 14 hours > and > > 24 minutes. > > > > Adding this to date and time of birth: 20 Jun 1942, 1549 hours we get > > > > Venus dasa ends on 27 Nov 1954 at 0613 hours. > > > > In the Green Table I have indicated 27 Nov 1954 and left out the " 0613 > > hours " > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > **** > > > > The full calculations using the 365.25 days per year is as follows: > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 12.435 > > 0.435*365 = 158.775 days (we need to multiply by 365 since the year 1942 > was > > not a leap year) > > 0.775*24 = 18.6 hours > > 0.6*60 = 36 minutes > > > > So Venus dasa balance is: 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes. > > > > Adding 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes to birth date and time of > > 20th June, 1549 hours (on the real time calendar) we get: > > > > Venus dasa ends on: 26 Nov 1954 at 1025 hours. > > > > In the Red Table it is shown as 26 Nov 1954 and the 1025 hours has been > left > > out. This is what the computer has calculated. > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > ***************************** > > > > In the Blue Table, Venus dasa is shown to end on 22 Sep 1954. This is not > > MY calculation. This date was provided by the computer program when I > > selected the 360 days per year option. I have clearly explained in my > > earlier email addressed to TW as to HOW this error is happening. The > dates > > shown in the Blue Table are wrong. I have clearly explained WHY it is > > wrong. > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > ************************************* > > > > Submitted for your comments on this please. > > > > Thanks. With best regards. > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > Australia > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > Email: <vvidya vvidya > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > Monday, 7 March 2005 6:36 PM > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > > > > > Dear Vidyadhar > > > > I append below the calculations of Dasa ending by using the 360 and 365.25 > > day > > method. > > > > your comments on this. > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === --------- A.R.Raichur bombay anant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY tel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 JUST FOR INFORMATION KPBC10 EXAMPLE I - -SRI RAICHUR'S SW Msg #2684 cast by Kanak Ji DETAILS OF BIRTH CHART DATE : 1 3 1954 DAY : MONDAY TIME : 18 H. 12 M. 0 S. PLACE : MALDEN -MASSACHUSSETTS; COUNTRY :U.S.A.* LAT. : 42 Deg. 25 Min. N LONG. : 71 Deg. 4 Min. W SID.TIME : 5 H. 4 M. 35 S. AYANAMSA : 23 D. 7 M. 37 S. MOON 10 5 11 48 DASA BAL. Sun. 2 Y. 58 Days ENDS ON 29 4 1956 Rah DASA 29 04 1973 -> 29 04 1991 VEN Bhk. 17 11 1984 TO 17 11 1987 JUP Ant. 26 5 1986 TO 20 10 1986 II--KPASTRO 2.O (365.25 days per year option) Sid Time 05-04-36 New KPA 23-07-37 Moon 05Cp11:59 Sun Dasa Bal 2y-1m-28d; Ends on 28-04-1956 Rahu Dasa 28-04-1973 to 29-04-1991 Venus Bhk 14-11-1984 to 15-11-1987 Jupi Ant 23-05-1986 to 17-10-1986 III- JAGANNATHA HORA LITE (365.2425 days per year option) Sid Time 05-04-36 New KPA 23-07-36.98 Moon 05Cp11:59.47 Sun Dasa Bal 2y-1m-28d; Ends on 28-04-1956 Rahu Dasa 28-04-1973 to 29-04-1991 Venu Bhki 15-11-1984 to 16-11-1987 Jupi Ant 26-05-1986 to 19-10-1986 , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Members > > The Dasa Periods of Planets given are in SOLAR YEARS. This naturally is 365.25 > > dayss. It is only when we are considering the fractions of a Year that the > questtion of 360/ 365.25 days arises... This cannot apply to THE FULL DASA YRS. > > The Total of Dasa Years is 120. This is 120*365.25 days. It is not NOT 120*360 > days. > > I have calculated the DASA,BHUKTI,ANTARA on the basis of 1 = 12 months. 1 month > =30 days. I have corrected june 32 to JULY 2, or FEB 30 to MARch 2 and I have > found no problems at all. In fact the predictions based on these were correct > to the date. > > I do not wish to comment on the Other Astrological Programmes, because I have > not used them, nor do I know the Astrologer who has developed these progs. > > One way to test is to calculate the DASA,BHUKTI,ANTARA,Sookshma on the Date of > YOUR PERSONAL Important Event (Marriage, Joing Service, Going Abroad) and then > see which calculation/SW Correctly indicates these known events. > > GOOD LUCK > > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote: > > > Dear List Members, > > > > Mr Raichur has very kindly pointed out that the difference between using > > 365.25 or 360 days per year comes to only 1 day. Prof KSK himself said " the > > difference is negligible " . If one uses astrological tables and manually > > calculates the dasa periods as per the guidelines given in Prof KSK Readers, > > as I have done in the Green Table, (in my earlier email attachment) the > > difference IS actually less than one day (19 hours and 38 minutes to be > > exact). > > > > On the other hand, I have before me four astrology programs which have the > > facility to select 365.25 or 360 days per year. When I do this, I find that > > the difference is NOT negligible. In my own chart, the onset of my Saturn > > dasa is different by ONE YEAR, as shown below. > > > > Program 365.25 days/year 360 days/year > > Goravani Jyotish 26 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 > > Shri Jyoti Star 29 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 > > KPAstro2.0 27 Nov 2011 29 Nov 2010 > > Jyotish Tools 24 Nov 2011 25 Nov 2010 > > > > A few months ago when this subject was being discussed on this list a > > similar anomaly was seen in the program called " Fortune Discoverer " being > > developed by Mr Rajasekaran. > > > > So we have FIVE astrology programs developed by five different astrologers > > who obviously know what they are putting into their program. All five > > programs show that difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year is > > almost ONE YEAR while at para one above it is seen that the difference is > > less than a day. How do you reconcile this GROSS anomaly? You can try this > > on any chart. Take a period about 70 to 80 years after birth and see the > > difference in onset of a major dasa when 365.25 or 360 days per year is > > selected. You will get similar results. > > > > My knowledge of astrology is only at the intermediate level, though I have a > > fairly good understanding of the mathematics involved. With MY limited > > knowledge of astrology, if it was I who said that the difference between > > using 365.25 or 360 days per year is only one day, while the astrology > > programs show a difference of one year, I suppose my claim can be dismissed > > as rubbish. But it was Mr RAICHUR who has said this. Mr Raichur, as you > > all know is an expert on this subject, having contributed well known > > articles on this subject from time to time. He is a recognised authority in > > astrology. HE has mathematically shown that the difference between using > > 365.25 or 360 days per year, in my chart, is only one day. He has gone as > > far as to say, " ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to > > only 1 day. So why should we break our heads over this small variation? " > > > > But these five astrology programs show that the difference is ONE YEAR. > > > > If Mr Raichur is correct then these five astrology programs are wrong and > > vice versa. > > > > Can someone who has understood this point kindly take the trouble to > > explain. I will be very obliged. > > > > Thanks for your time. With regards. > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > Australia > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > Monday, 7 March 2005 11:15 PM > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > > > > > Dear Vaidun > > > > Thanks for correcting my mistakes. > > > > However, ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to only 1 > > day > > > > as calculated by you. So why should we break our heads over this small > > > > variation ? > > > > good luck > > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Mr Raichur, > > > > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > > > There is a small mathematical error in your calculation. You have said: > > > > > > " 0.435*12 = 5. 34 months " > > > > > > It should be, 0.435*12 = 5.22 months and not 5.34 months as stated above. > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** ****** > > > ************* > > > > > > The full calculations using the 360 days per year is as follows: > > > > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees = 8:17:24 > > > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 29844/48000*20 = 12.435 years (same as your > > > calculations so far) > > > > > > 0.435*12 = 5.22 months > > > 0.22*30 = 6.6 days > > > 0.6*24 = 14.4 hours > > > 0.4*60 = 24 minutes > > > > > > So Venus dasa balance works out to 12 years, 5 months, 6 days, 14 hours > > and > > > 24 minutes. > > > > > > Adding this to date and time of birth: 20 Jun 1942, 1549 hours we get > > > > > > Venus dasa ends on 27 Nov 1954 at 0613 hours. > > > > > > In the Green Table I have indicated 27 Nov 1954 and left out the " 0613 > > > hours " > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** ****** > > > **** > > > > > > The full calculations using the 365.25 days per year is as follows: > > > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 12.435 > > > 0.435*365 = 158.775 days (we need to multiply by 365 since the year 1942 > > was > > > not a leap year) > > > 0.775*24 = 18.6 hours > > > 0.6*60 = 36 minutes > > > > > > So Venus dasa balance is: 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes. > > > > > > Adding 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes to birth date and time of > > > 20th June, 1549 hours (on the real time calendar) we get: > > > > > > Venus dasa ends on: 26 Nov 1954 at 1025 hours. > > > > > > In the Red Table it is shown as 26 Nov 1954 and the 1025 hours has been > > left > > > out. This is what the computer has calculated. > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** ****** > > > ***************************** > > > > > > In the Blue Table, Venus dasa is shown to end on 22 Sep 1954. This is not > > > MY calculation. This date was provided by the computer program when I > > > selected the 360 days per year option. I have clearly explained in my > > > earlier email addressed to TW as to HOW this error is happening. The > > dates > > > shown in the Blue Table are wrong. I have clearly explained WHY it is > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** ****** > > > ************************************* > > > > > > Submitted for your comments on this please. > > > > > > Thanks. With best regards. > > > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > > Australia > > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > > Monday, 7 March 2005 6:36 PM > > > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > > > > > > > > Dear Vidyadhar > > > > > > I append below the calculations of Dasa ending by using the 360 and 365.25 > > > day > > > method. > > > > > > your comments on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > --------- > A.R.Raichur bombay > anant_1608 > raichuranant > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > tel: 022-2506 2609 > --------- > > > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday./netrospective/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Dear Mr.Vidhyadhar, Though I Have Repeatedly Asked You And Others to clarify That Whether Any One Of You Have Tried Tracking The Event By Applying 360 And 365.25 Method Simultaniously Side by Side? If You Try Out This You Can Find Out the Real Action Behind The Things... It Is Not Correct To Say That The Diff. Between 360 And 365 Is Merely 1 Day... It Should Be 5.25 days Per Year Relatively... For A Person Who Is Running 40 Years Should Be Running Ahead of 210 Days Regarding To 365.25 days Calc... In My Experiance I Have Seen For All Cases The 360 Days Calculation Only Working... Iam Not Arguing Like you People Arguing With Out Heading Other's Point... I Have Developed Many Tools To Test This... One Module I Have Developed To check This Is Having A Dhasa Panel Which Is Having Both 360 And 365.25 Display Up To 7th Level In One Window... We Can Visually Compare The Changes Of Dhasa Cycles When We Just Change Hour-Min-Sec-Year-Month-Day Any Thing By Pressing Up Or Down Control... When We Deal With Prasna Most Of The Result Is Arrived By Ruling Planets And Transit Co-Ordination. For A Birth Chart We Mainly Depends On Dhasa... So There Is No Point In Making Under Value The Dhasa System By Saying That Can't We Pin Up With Out Using Dhasa System... After All The Dhasa System Which Has Given By Parasara Rishi Is The Origin For Steller Astrology... Mr.Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) And Mr.Prof.Krishnamurthy Both Done Their Researches And Succeeded Based On This Dhasa System Fundamental... I Once Again Declare No One Is Having Upper Hand Or No One Is Having Authority Over Astrology Since Any One Who Is Having A Good Knowledge Can Express Their Views... If Any One Is Not Capable Of Checking Or Testing The Things Cant Say That Their View Is Only Correct... Instead Of Messing Up The Things Please Sit And Work Out Atleast For 100 Birth Charts... Compare Both... Getting Down To 5th Or 6th Level... Then Come Out With The Results... I Have Done This For Minimum 3000 Charts... In This, More Than 1000 Is manually Casted Before I Have Developed My Programs... So Do The Testing And Get The Result... No Other Thing Is So Good... Regards, S.N.Rajasekaran , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Vaidun, > It seems to me that the crux of the whole issue is the definition of > " day " . I quote from your earlier posting: > > " This is what most computer programmers, who are also astrologers, > have not understood. The length of a day in the Red Table is one > solar day, made up of 24 hours. But the length of a DAY in the Green > Table is not the same, it is slightly MORE than 24 hours. The length > of the year in the 365.25 days per year calendar and the length of the > year in the 360 days per year calendar is the SAME. If one divides > the SAME length by 365.25 in one case, and 360 in another case, it > will be appreciated that the resultant unit that one gets will not be > the same. The unit in the former is 24 hours while the unit in the > latter will be a little MORE than 24 hours. The confusion arises > because both units are referred to as a " day " . But in reality, one > unit is slightly shorter than the other, though both units are given > the same name of " day " . ... " > > It is not clear to me how you say that " day " as used in Vimshottari > context is different in value from the " day " in solar year. In your view, > 360 * vimshottari_day == 365.25 * solar_day > What is the source that supports this claim? > > Suppose we exaggerate this a little bit and propose that Vimshottari > year had only 200 days, will the above equality still hold good? > > I believe all the programs you have mentioned use the assumption that > " day " refers to solar day. At least mine does. > > I am sure all of us programmers (whether we know astrology or not) > follow certain principles when we program and we are definitely open > to correction. If we are wrong, we would certainly like to correct our > belief systems and the programs. In spite of our best efforts, though, > there will be calculation approximations because of the finiteness of > machine word, etc., but that should be acceptable. > > Rehards, > Rangarajan > > , " Vaidun Vidyadhar " <vvidya@o...> wrote: > > Dear List Members, > > > > Mr Raichur has very kindly pointed out that the difference between using > > 365.25 or 360 days per year comes to only 1 day. Prof KSK himself > said " the > > difference is negligible " . If one uses astrological tables and manually > > calculates the dasa periods as per the guidelines given in Prof KSK > Readers, > > as I have done in the Green Table, (in my earlier email attachment) the > > difference IS actually less than one day (19 hours and 38 minutes to be > > exact). > > > > On the other hand, I have before me four astrology programs which > have the > > facility to select 365.25 or 360 days per year. When I do this, I > find that > > the difference is NOT negligible. In my own chart, the onset of my > Saturn > > dasa is different by ONE YEAR, as shown below. > > > > Program 365.25 days/year 360 days/year > > Goravani Jyotish 26 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 > > Shri Jyoti Star 29 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 > > KPAstro2.0 27 Nov 2011 29 Nov 2010 > > Jyotish Tools 24 Nov 2011 25 Nov 2010 > > > > A few months ago when this subject was being discussed on this list a > > similar anomaly was seen in the program called " Fortune Discoverer " > being > > developed by Mr Rajasekaran. > > > > So we have FIVE astrology programs developed by five different > astrologers > > who obviously know what they are putting into their program. All five > > programs show that difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per > year is > > almost ONE YEAR while at para one above it is seen that the > difference is > > less than a day. How do you reconcile this GROSS anomaly? You can > try this > > on any chart. Take a period about 70 to 80 years after birth and > see the > > difference in onset of a major dasa when 365.25 or 360 days per year is > > selected. You will get similar results. > > > > My knowledge of astrology is only at the intermediate level, though > I have a > > fairly good understanding of the mathematics involved. With MY limited > > knowledge of astrology, if it was I who said that the difference between > > using 365.25 or 360 days per year is only one day, while the astrology > > programs show a difference of one year, I suppose my claim can be > dismissed > > as rubbish. But it was Mr RAICHUR who has said this. Mr Raichur, > as you > > all know is an expert on this subject, having contributed well known > > articles on this subject from time to time. He is a recognised > authority in > > astrology. HE has mathematically shown that the difference between > using > > 365.25 or 360 days per year, in my chart, is only one day. He has > gone as > > far as to say, " ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days > comes to > > only 1 day. So why should we break our heads over this small > variation? " > > > > But these five astrology programs show that the difference is ONE > YEAR. > > > > If Mr Raichur is correct then these five astrology programs are > wrong and > > vice versa. > > > > Can someone who has understood this point kindly take the trouble to > > explain. I will be very obliged. > > > > Thanks for your time. With regards. > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > Australia > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > Monday, 7 March 2005 11:15 PM > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > > > > > Dear Vaidun > > > > Thanks for correcting my mistakes. > > > > However, ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to > only 1 > > day > > > > as calculated by you. So why should we break our heads over this small > > > > variation ? > > > > good luck > > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Mr Raichur, > > > > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > > > There is a small mathematical error in your calculation. You have > said: > > > > > > " 0.435*12 = 5. 34 months " > > > > > > It should be, 0.435*12 = 5.22 months and not 5.34 months as > stated above. > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** ****** > > > ************* > > > > > > The full calculations using the 360 days per year is as follows: > > > > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees = 8:17:24 > > > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 29844/48000*20 = 12.435 years (same > as your > > > calculations so far) > > > > > > 0.435*12 = 5.22 months > > > 0.22*30 = 6.6 days > > > 0.6*24 = 14.4 hours > > > 0.4*60 = 24 minutes > > > > > > So Venus dasa balance works out to 12 years, 5 months, 6 days, 14 > hours > > and > > > 24 minutes. > > > > > > Adding this to date and time of birth: 20 Jun 1942, 1549 hours we get > > > > > > Venus dasa ends on 27 Nov 1954 at 0613 hours. > > > > > > In the Green Table I have indicated 27 Nov 1954 and left out the " 0613 > > > hours " > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** ****** > > > **** > > > > > > The full calculations using the 365.25 days per year is as follows: > > > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 12.435 > > > 0.435*365 = 158.775 days (we need to multiply by 365 since the > year 1942 > > was > > > not a leap year) > > > 0.775*24 = 18.6 hours > > > 0.6*60 = 36 minutes > > > > > > So Venus dasa balance is: 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes. > > > > > > Adding 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes to birth date and > time of > > > 20th June, 1549 hours (on the real time calendar) we get: > > > > > > Venus dasa ends on: 26 Nov 1954 at 1025 hours. > > > > > > In the Red Table it is shown as 26 Nov 1954 and the 1025 hours has > been > > left > > > out. This is what the computer has calculated. > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** ****** > > > ***************************** > > > > > > In the Blue Table, Venus dasa is shown to end on 22 Sep 1954. > This is not > > > MY calculation. This date was provided by the computer program when I > > > selected the 360 days per year option. I have clearly explained in my > > > earlier email addressed to TW as to HOW this error is happening. The > > dates > > > shown in the Blue Table are wrong. I have clearly explained WHY it is > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** ****** > > > ************************************* > > > > > > Submitted for your comments on this please. > > > > > > Thanks. With best regards. > > > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > > Australia > > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > > Monday, 7 March 2005 6:36 PM > > > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > > > > > > > > Dear Vidyadhar > > > > > > I append below the calculations of Dasa ending by using the 360 > and 365.25 > > > day > > > method. > > > > > > your comments on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vaidun Vaaidyadhar > > > > > > Assuming the Moon,s postion as correct, the Balance of Dasa Of Ven is > > > > > > 8-17-24 deg,min,sec: This is 497.24 minutes of arc. > > > > > > Traditional or easy method of 360 days. > > > > > > This is converted into time : 497.24/800 * 20 (20yrs Dasa of Venus) > > > > > > This gives 12.435 Yrs. .435 yrs= .435*12 = 5. 34 months. .34 > months*30 > > > > > > =10,02 days. Say 10 days. So balance is 12yrs, 5months, 10days. > > > > > > Adding to Birth date we get 20+10=30days: 6+5=11 months: > 1942+12=1954 year > > > > > > so the Venus dasa ends on 30 Nov 1954 > > > > > > Sun dasa ends 6 ys later 30 Nov 1960 > > > > > > Moon dasa ends 10 yrs 30 Nov 1970 and so on > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > If we take 365.25 days, then we should take dasa of venus as > 365.25*20= > > > 7310.50 > > > dates > > > > > > So Balace of dasa will be 497.24/800 * 7310.5 = 4545.30 days > > > > > > 4545.3/365.25 = 12.44436 years > > > > > > this is 12 years 162 days. So adding 162 calender days to 20 jun > 1942, one > > > > > > > > gets 10 dys of JUN. 31 of july,31 of aug, 3o of Sep, 31 of oct,+30 > in Nov > > > > > > So date is 30 nov 1954. > > > > > > _________________________ > > > if however we take .435*365.25 we get 158.88 say 159 days. Thus > we lose 3 > > > days > > > > -- ----- > > > > > > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Raichur, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > > > > > My birth details were clearly stated in the Excel file. > However, I am > > > > reproducing this below: > > > > > > > > Vaidun K Vidyadhar > > > > Date and time of birth: 20 June 1942, 1549 hours (Indian > Standard Time, > > > GMT > > > > + 5:30) > > > > Place of birth: Walajapet, Lat 12N56, Long 79E23 > > > > Moon's longitude at birth: 138:22:36, 18:22:36 in Leo > > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees: 8:17:24 > > > > Venus dasa balance in years: 12.435 > > > > > > > > The dates shown in the Red and Blue tables in the Excel file are the > > exact > > > > dates derived from Goravani Gyotish 2.25 by selecting the 365 or 360 > > days > > > > per year option. If you have this program, you can try it out for > > > yourself. > > > > I have two other astrology programs which also have this > facility, Shri > > > > Jyoti Star and Jyotish Tools. The dates shown there are also quite > > close > > > > the ones shown in the Excel file. > > > > > > > > With best regards. > > > > > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > > > Australia > > > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > > > Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:06 PM > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Vaidun Vidyadhar > > > > > > > > I cannot understand how the start of the Main Dasa varies by ONE > YEAR. > > > > > > > > If you send me your Birth Details, I will cast the chart and > indicate > > when > > > > your > > > > Saturn Dasa Starts > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ===== > > --------- > > A.R.Raichur bombay > > anant_1608 > > raichuranant > > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > > tel: 022-2506 2609 > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > http://birthday./netrospective/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Dear Mr Rao, The ayanamsa taken was KP Ayanamsa: 22:57:49 In Jyotish Tools the ayanamsa is shown only in degrees and minutes, the seconds are not shown. There the value is 22:57 Yours sincerely Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1] Wednesday, 9 March 2005 1:44 AM Subject: Re: Re: Vimshottari Period Dear Vaidun, What are the ayanamsa values followed by these 5 programmes ? Just curious... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1raju bokaariya <bokaariya wrote: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MARS AND RAHU ARE IN SECOND HOUSE AND SATURN AND KETU IN EIGHTH HOUSE .............DEATH DUE TO ACCIDENTAL REASON OR kILLED BY ANY ONE FROM FAMILY ? OR ELSE ? - Vaidun Vidyadhar Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:30 PM RE: Re: Vimshottari Period Dear List Members, Mr Raichur has very kindly pointed out that the difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year comes to only 1 day. Prof KSK himself said "the difference is negligible". If one uses astrological tables and manually calculates the dasa periods as per the guidelines given in Prof KSK Readers, as I have done in the Green Table, (in my earlier email attachment) the difference IS actually less than one day (19 hours and 38 minutes to be exact). On the other hand, I have before me four astrology programs which have the facility to select 365.25 or 360 days per year. When I do this, I find that the difference is NOT negligible. In my own chart, the onset of my Saturn dasa is different by ONE YEAR, as shown below. Program 365.25 days/year 360 days/year Goravani Jyotish 26 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 Shri Jyoti Star 29 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010 KPAstro2.0 27 Nov 2011 29 Nov 2010 Jyotish Tools 24 Nov 2011 25 Nov 2010 A few months ago when this subject was being discussed on this list a similar anomaly was seen in the program called "Fortune Discoverer" being developed by Mr Rajasekaran. So we have FIVE astrology programs developed by five different astrologers who obviously know what they are putting into their program. All five programs show that difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year is almost ONE YEAR while at para one above it is seen that the difference is less than a day. How do you reconcile this GROSS anomaly? You can try this on any chart. Take a period about 70 to 80 years after birth and see the difference in onset of a major dasa when 365.25 or 360 days per year is selected. You will get similar results. My knowledge of astrology is only at the intermediate level, though I have a fairly good understanding of the mathematics involved. With MY limited knowledge of astrology, if it was I who said that the difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year is only one day, while the astrology programs show a difference of one year, I suppose my claim can be dismissed as rubbish. But it was Mr RAICHUR who has said this. Mr Raichur, as you all know is an expert on this subject, having contributed well known articles on this subject from time to time. He is a recognised authority in astrology. HE has mathematically shown that the difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per year, in my chart, is only one day. He has gone as far as to say, "ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to only 1 day. So why should we break our heads over this small variation?" But these five astrology programs show that the difference is ONE YEAR. If Mr Raichur is correct then these five astrology programs are wrong and vice versa. Can someone who has understood this point kindly take the trouble to explain. I will be very obliged. Thanks for your time. With regards. Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya anant raichur [anant_1608] Monday, 7 March 2005 11:15 PM Subject: RE: Re: Vimshottari Period Dear VaidunThanks for correcting my mistakes.However, ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to only 1 day as calculated by you. So why should we break our heads over this smallvariation ?good luck--- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:> Dear Mr Raichur,> > Thank you for your email below.> > There is a small mathematical error in your calculation. You have said:> > "0.435*12 = 5. 34 months"> > It should be, 0.435*12 = 5.22 months and not 5.34 months as stated above.> > ****************************************************************************> *************> > The full calculations using the 360 days per year is as follows:> > Venus dasa balance in degrees = 8:17:24> > Venus dasa balance in years = 29844/48000*20 = 12.435 years (same as your> calculations so far)> > 0.435*12 = 5.22 months> 0.22*30 = 6.6 days> 0.6*24 = 14.4 hours> 0.4*60 = 24 minutes> > So Venus dasa balance works out to 12 years, 5 months, 6 days, 14 hours and> 24 minutes.> > Adding this to date and time of birth: 20 Jun 1942, 1549 hours we get> > Venus dasa ends on 27 Nov 1954 at 0613 hours.> > In the Green Table I have indicated 27 Nov 1954 and left out the "0613> hours"> > ****************************************************************************> ****> > The full calculations using the 365.25 days per year is as follows:> > Venus dasa balance in years = 12.435 > 0.435*365 = 158.775 days (we need to multiply by 365 since the year 1942 was> not a leap year)> 0.775*24 = 18.6 hours> 0.6*60 = 36 minutes> > So Venus dasa balance is: 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes.> > Adding 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes to birth date and time of> 20th June, 1549 hours (on the real time calendar) we get:> > Venus dasa ends on: 26 Nov 1954 at 1025 hours.> > In the Red Table it is shown as 26 Nov 1954 and the 1025 hours has been left> out. This is what the computer has calculated.> > ****************************************************************************> *****************************> > In the Blue Table, Venus dasa is shown to end on 22 Sep 1954. This is not> MY calculation. This date was provided by the computer program when I> selected the 360 days per year option. I have clearly explained in my> earlier email addressed to TW as to HOW this error is happening. The dates> shown in the Blue Table are wrong. I have clearly explained WHY it is> wrong. > > ****************************************************************************> *************************************> > Submitted for your comments on this please.> > Thanks. With best regards.> > Vaidun Vidyadhar > 1 / 94 Marius Street > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > Australia > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > Email: <vvidya vvidya > > > > > _____ > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > Monday, 7 March 2005 6:36 PM> > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > Dear Vidyadhar> > I append below the calculations of Dasa ending by using the 360 and 365.25> day> method.> > your comments on this.> > > > > Dear Vaidun Vaaidyadhar> > Assuming the Moon,s postion as correct, the Balance of Dasa Of Ven is> > 8-17-24 deg,min,sec: This is 497.24 minutes of arc.> > Traditional or easy method of 360 days.> > This is converted into time : 497.24/800 * 20 (20yrs Dasa of Venus)> > This gives 12.435 Yrs. .435 yrs= .435*12 = 5. 34 months. .34 months*30> > =10,02 days. Say 10 days. So balance is 12yrs, 5months, 10days.> > Adding to Birth date we get 20+10=30days: 6+5=11 months: 1942+12=1954 year> > so the Venus dasa ends on 30 Nov 1954> > Sun dasa ends 6 ys later 30 Nov 1960 > > Moon dasa ends 10 yrs 30 Nov 1970 and so on> > ------------------------------> > If we take 365.25 days, then we should take dasa of venus as 365.25*20=> 7310.50> dates> > So Balace of dasa will be 497.24/800 * 7310.5 = 4545.30 days > > 4545.3/365.25 = 12.44436 years > > this is 12 years 162 days. So adding 162 calender days to 20 jun 1942, one > > gets 10 dys of JUN. 31 of july,31 of aug, 3o of Sep, 31 of oct,+30 in Nov> > So date is 30 nov 1954. > > _________________________> if however we take .435*365.25 we get 158.88 say 159 days. Thus we lose 3> days> ------- > > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:> > > Dear Mr. Raichur,> > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > My birth details were clearly stated in the Excel file. However, I am> > reproducing this below:> > > > Vaidun K Vidyadhar > > Date and time of birth: 20 June 1942, 1549 hours (Indian Standard Time,> GMT> > + 5:30) > > Place of birth: Walajapet, Lat 12N56, Long 79E23 > > Moon's longitude at birth: 138:22:36, 18:22:36 in Leo > > Venus dasa balance in degrees: 8:17:24 > > Venus dasa balance in years: 12.435 > > > > The dates shown in the Red and Blue tables in the Excel file are the exact> > dates derived from Goravani Gyotish 2.25 by selecting the 365 or 360 days> > per year option. If you have this program, you can try it out for> yourself.> > I have two other astrology programs which also have this facility, Shri> > Jyoti Star and Jyotish Tools. The dates shown there are also quite close> > the ones shown in the Excel file.> > > > With best regards.> > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > Australia > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > Email: <vvidya vvidya > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:06 PM> > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > > > > Dear Mr Vaidun Vidyadhar> > > > I cannot understand how the start of the Main Dasa varies by ONE YEAR.> > > > If you send me your Birth Details, I will cast the chart and indicate when> > your> > Saturn Dasa Starts> === message truncated ========--------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranantUSE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Dear Mr Rangarajan, Thank you for your email below. I am very happy to interact with the author of KPAstro2.0. At the outset I must say your program looks and works quite well. I know your background but you know nothing about me. I was introduced to KP in 1987 when I was living and working in Madras. I didn't know then that KP was a little different from traditional vedic astrology. Anyway, I did read all of Prof KSK's Readers. I also did the course under Mr Hariharan in 1988. I am an ex Group Captain from the Indian Air Force, an ex fighter pilot. Mathematics has been my strong point. I am telling you all this because I don't want you to think you are interacting with a half-baked nit wit. Now coming to the point you have raised, you have said: "It is not clear to me how you say that "day" as used in Vimshottaricontext is different in value from the "day" in solar year. In your view, 360 * vimshottari_day == 365.25 * solar_dayWhat is the source that supports this claim?" I have not said "that "day" as used in the Vimshotdhari context is different in value from the "day" in solar year." What I did say was a "day" in the 360 days per year calendar is different from a "day" in the Real Time, 365.25 days per year calendar. AVimshotdhari year is the same as a solar year. A Vimshotdhari day is the same as a solar day. There is no difference. However, one day in the 365.25 days per year calendar is not the same as one day in the 360 days per year calendar. THAT is the crux of the problem. You said: "Suppose we exaggerate this a little bit and propose that Vimshottariyear had only 200 days, will the above equality still hold good?" The Vimshotdhari year is same as the solar year. There is no difference. The Vimshotdhari dasa cycle takes 120 solar years to complete. One Vimshotdhari year is same as the solar year. One Vimshotdhari day is same as one solar day. However, one CAN take a solar year and divide it into any number of equal parts. We could divide it by 200 (as you say), or 360 or 365.2422. If we do this we will get three different units. Let us call these units D1, D2 amd D3. Then, 200*D1 = 360*D2 = 365.2422*D3 will be correct. D3 is one solar day which is = 24 hours. The length of D2 and D3 will be different. The dates shown in the Green Table of the Excel file that I sent you were not derived from MY own method of calculations. I have followed the steps and instructions given by Prof KSK in his Readers on how to draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras chart. Mr Raichur had very kindly given his calculations. He also follows Prof KSK's methodology. In the case of my chart, the dates indicated by him for end of my Venus dasa and start of the other dasas correspond to the dates calculated in the Green Table provided by me. The dates shown in the Green Table belong to a 360 days per year calendar. Please note that though I have used the 360 days per year calendar, all dasas start on the same day of the month, viz. 27 Nov. But more than that, the duration of each dasa corresponds exactly to the stipulated length of each dasa in years as per the Vimshotdhari dasa cycle, as shown below: Sun 6 years Moon 10 years Mars 7 years Rahu 18 years Jupiter 16 years Saturn 19 years Mercury 17 years Ketu 7 years. I have answered your questions. Can I request you to kindly answer one of mine please? My birth details are: Date and time of birth: 20 June 1942, 1549 hours (Indian Standard Time, GMT + 5:30) Place of birth: Walajapet, Lat 12N56, Long 79E23 In the case of my own chart, in KPAstro2.0, under the Settings Menu, Vimshottari Dasa, when I select 360 days per year, the onset dates of the various dasas is as follows: Sun: 24 Sep 1954 Moon: 23 Aug 1960 Mars: 02 Jul 1970 Rahu: 26 May 1977 Jupiter: 21 Feb 1995 Saturn: 29 Nov 2010 Mercury: 21 Aug 2029 Ketu: 24 May 2046 From the above it can be seen that the duration of the various dasas is significantly shorter than the stipulated number of years in the Vimshotdhari dasa cycle. Prof KSK himself has stated at page 82 in his First Reader that the number of years allocated to each planet are as shown below: Sun 6 years Moon 10 years Mars 7 years Rahu 18 years Jupiter 16 years Saturn 19 years Mercury 17 years Ketu 7 years. Venus 20 years In your program, on what authority have you reduced the duration of each dasa? I look forward to your response. Thanks. With best regards. Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy [ranga] Tuesday, 8 March 2005 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Vimshottari Period Dear Vaidun,It seems to me that the crux of the whole issue is the definition of"day". I quote from your earlier posting:"This is what most computer programmers, who are also astrologers,have not understood. The length of a day in the Red Table is onesolar day, made up of 24 hours. But the length of a DAY in the GreenTable is not the same, it is slightly MORE than 24 hours. The lengthof the year in the 365.25 days per year calendar and the length of theyear in the 360 days per year calendar is the SAME. If one dividesthe SAME length by 365.25 in one case, and 360 in another case, itwill be appreciated that the resultant unit that one gets will not bethe same. The unit in the former is 24 hours while the unit in thelatter will be a little MORE than 24 hours. The confusion arisesbecause both units are referred to as a "day". But in reality, oneunit is slightly shorter than the other, though both units are giventhe same name of "day". ..."It is not clear to me how you say that "day" as used in Vimshottaricontext is different in value from the "day" in solar year. In your view, 360 * vimshottari_day == 365.25 * solar_dayWhat is the source that supports this claim?Suppose we exaggerate this a little bit and propose that Vimshottariyear had only 200 days, will the above equality still hold good?I believe all the programs you have mentioned use the assumption that"day" refers to solar day. At least mine does.I am sure all of us programmers (whether we know astrology or not)follow certain principles when we program and we are definitely opento correction. If we are wrong, we would certainly like to correct ourbelief systems and the programs. In spite of our best efforts, though,there will be calculation approximations because of the finiteness ofmachine word, etc., but that should be acceptable.Rehards,Rangarajan , "Vaidun Vidyadhar" <vvidya@o...> wrote:> Dear List Members,> > Mr Raichur has very kindly pointed out that the difference between using> 365.25 or 360 days per year comes to only 1 day. Prof KSK himselfsaid "the> difference is negligible". If one uses astrological tables and manually> calculates the dasa periods as per the guidelines given in Prof KSKReaders,> as I have done in the Green Table, (in my earlier email attachment) the> difference IS actually less than one day (19 hours and 38 minutes to be> exact). > > On the other hand, I have before me four astrology programs whichhave the> facility to select 365.25 or 360 days per year. When I do this, Ifind that> the difference is NOT negligible. In my own chart, the onset of mySaturn> dasa is different by ONE YEAR, as shown below. > > Program 365.25 days/year 360 days/year> Goravani Jyotish 26 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010> Shri Jyoti Star 29 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010> KPAstro2.0 27 Nov 2011 29 Nov 2010> Jyotish Tools 24 Nov 2011 25 Nov 2010> > A few months ago when this subject was being discussed on this list a> similar anomaly was seen in the program called "Fortune Discoverer"being> developed by Mr Rajasekaran. > > So we have FIVE astrology programs developed by five differentastrologers> who obviously know what they are putting into their program. All five> programs show that difference between using 365.25 or 360 days peryear is> almost ONE YEAR while at para one above it is seen that thedifference is> less than a day. How do you reconcile this GROSS anomaly? You cantry this> on any chart. Take a period about 70 to 80 years after birth andsee the> difference in onset of a major dasa when 365.25 or 360 days per year is> selected. You will get similar results. > > My knowledge of astrology is only at the intermediate level, thoughI have a> fairly good understanding of the mathematics involved. With MY limited> knowledge of astrology, if it was I who said that the difference between> using 365.25 or 360 days per year is only one day, while the astrology> programs show a difference of one year, I suppose my claim can bedismissed> as rubbish. But it was Mr RAICHUR who has said this. Mr Raichur,as you> all know is an expert on this subject, having contributed well known> articles on this subject from time to time. He is a recognisedauthority in> astrology. HE has mathematically shown that the difference betweenusing> 365.25 or 360 days per year, in my chart, is only one day. He hasgone as> far as to say, "ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 dayscomes to> only 1 day. So why should we break our heads over this smallvariation?"> > But these five astrology programs show that the difference is ONEYEAR. > > If Mr Raichur is correct then these five astrology programs arewrong and> vice versa. > > Can someone who has understood this point kindly take the trouble to> explain. I will be very obliged.> > Thanks for your time. With regards.> > Vaidun Vidyadhar > 1 / 94 Marius Street > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > Australia > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > _____ > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > Monday, 7 March 2005 11:15 PM> > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > Dear Vaidun> > Thanks for correcting my mistakes.> > However, ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes toonly 1> day > > as calculated by you. So why should we break our heads over this small> > variation ?> > good luck> --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote:> > > Dear Mr Raichur,> > > > Thank you for your email below.> > > > There is a small mathematical error in your calculation. You havesaid:> > > > "0.435*12 = 5. 34 months"> > > > It should be, 0.435*12 = 5.22 months and not 5.34 months asstated above.> > > >>****************************************************************************> > *************> > > > The full calculations using the 360 days per year is as follows:> > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees = 8:17:24> > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 29844/48000*20 = 12.435 years (sameas your> > calculations so far)> > > > 0.435*12 = 5.22 months> > 0.22*30 = 6.6 days> > 0.6*24 = 14.4 hours> > 0.4*60 = 24 minutes> > > > So Venus dasa balance works out to 12 years, 5 months, 6 days, 14hours> and> > 24 minutes.> > > > Adding this to date and time of birth: 20 Jun 1942, 1549 hours we get> > > > Venus dasa ends on 27 Nov 1954 at 0613 hours.> > > > In the Green Table I have indicated 27 Nov 1954 and left out the "0613> > hours"> > > >>****************************************************************************> > ****> > > > The full calculations using the 365.25 days per year is as follows:> > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 12.435 > > 0.435*365 = 158.775 days (we need to multiply by 365 since theyear 1942> was> > not a leap year)> > 0.775*24 = 18.6 hours> > 0.6*60 = 36 minutes> > > > So Venus dasa balance is: 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes.> > > > Adding 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes to birth date andtime of> > 20th June, 1549 hours (on the real time calendar) we get:> > > > Venus dasa ends on: 26 Nov 1954 at 1025 hours.> > > > In the Red Table it is shown as 26 Nov 1954 and the 1025 hours hasbeen> left> > out. This is what the computer has calculated.> > > >>****************************************************************************> > *****************************> > > > In the Blue Table, Venus dasa is shown to end on 22 Sep 1954. This is not> > MY calculation. This date was provided by the computer program when I> > selected the 360 days per year option. I have clearly explained in my> > earlier email addressed to TW as to HOW this error is happening. The> dates> > shown in the Blue Table are wrong. I have clearly explained WHY it is> > wrong. > > > >>****************************************************************************> > *************************************> > > > Submitted for your comments on this please.> > > > Thanks. With best regards.> > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > Australia > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > Monday, 7 March 2005 6:36 PM> > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > > > > Dear Vidyadhar> > > > I append below the calculations of Dasa ending by using the 360and 365.25> > day> > method.> > > > your comments on this.> > > > > > > > > > Dear Vaidun Vaaidyadhar> > > > Assuming the Moon,s postion as correct, the Balance of Dasa Of Ven is> > > > 8-17-24 deg,min,sec: This is 497.24 minutes of arc.> > > > Traditional or easy method of 360 days.> > > > This is converted into time : 497.24/800 * 20 (20yrs Dasa of Venus)> > > > This gives 12.435 Yrs. .435 yrs= .435*12 = 5. 34 months. .34months*30> > > > =10,02 days. Say 10 days. So balance is 12yrs, 5months, 10days.> > > > Adding to Birth date we get 20+10=30days: 6+5=11 months:1942+12=1954 year> > > > so the Venus dasa ends on 30 Nov 1954> > > > Sun dasa ends 6 ys later 30 Nov 1960 > > > > Moon dasa ends 10 yrs 30 Nov 1970 and so on> > > > ------------------------------> > > > If we take 365.25 days, then we should take dasa of venus as365.25*20=> > 7310.50> > dates> > > > So Balace of dasa will be 497.24/800 * 7310.5 = 4545.30 days > > > > 4545.3/365.25 = 12.44436 years > > > > this is 12 years 162 days. So adding 162 calender days to 20 jun1942, one> > > > > gets 10 dys of JUN. 31 of july,31 of aug, 3o of Sep, 31 of oct,+30in Nov> > > > So date is 30 nov 1954. > > > > _________________________> > if however we take .435*365.25 we get 158.88 say 159 days. Thuswe lose 3> > days> >------- > > > > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote:> > > > > Dear Mr. Raichur,> > > > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > > > My birth details were clearly stated in the Excel file. However, I am> > > reproducing this below:> > > > > > Vaidun K Vidyadhar > > > Date and time of birth: 20 June 1942, 1549 hours (IndianStandard Time,> > GMT> > > + 5:30) > > > Place of birth: Walajapet, Lat 12N56, Long 79E23 > > > Moon's longitude at birth: 138:22:36, 18:22:36 in Leo > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees: 8:17:24 > > > Venus dasa balance in years: 12.435 > > > > > > The dates shown in the Red and Blue tables in the Excel file are the> exact> > > dates derived from Goravani Gyotish 2.25 by selecting the 365 or 360> days> > > per year option. If you have this program, you can try it out for> > yourself.> > > I have two other astrology programs which also have thisfacility, Shri> > > Jyoti Star and Jyotish Tools. The dates shown there are also quite> close> > > the ones shown in the Excel file.> > > > > > With best regards.> > > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > > Australia > > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > > Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:06 PM> > > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Vaidun Vidyadhar> > > > > > I cannot understand how the start of the Main Dasa varies by ONEYEAR.> > > > > > If you send me your Birth Details, I will cast the chart andindicate> when> > > your> > > Saturn Dasa Starts> > > === message truncated ===> > > =====> --------- > A.R.Raichur bombay> anant_1608 > raichuranant> USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY> tel: 022-2506 2609 > ---------> > > > > > > > > > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday./netrospective/> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Dear Members, There has been a continuing discussion on the number of days in the Vimshottari Year... That is one reason that I prefer Horary astrology... The other reason is most birth-times are NOT entirely reliable... The correct TOB is " the time of the first cry " of the child soon after birth...as per K.P. Moreover, I simply do not have the inclination,nor the time, to enter into an highly academic discussion of this kind,and I also I submit,I do not think I am sufficiently knowledgeable enough for that... I leave that to the "pundits" and "experts"... With best wishes, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !"S.N.Rajasekaran" <snrajasekaran2004 wrote: Dear Mr.Vidhyadhar,Though I Have Repeatedly Asked You And Others to clarifyThat Whether Any One Of You Have Tried Tracking The EventBy Applying 360 And 365.25 Method Simultaniously Side by Side?If You Try Out This You Can Find Out the Real Action Behind The Things... It Is Not Correct To Say That The Diff. Between360 And 365 Is Merely 1 Day... It Should Be 5.25 days Per YearRelatively... For A Person Who Is Running 40 Years Should BeRunning Ahead of 210 Days Regarding To 365.25 days Calc... In My Experiance I Have Seen For All Cases The 360 Days CalculationOnly Working... Iam Not Arguing Like you People Arguing With OutHeading Other's Point... I Have Developed Many Tools To Test This...One Module I Have Developed To check This Is Having A Dhasa PanelWhich Is Having Both 360 And 365.25 Display Up To 7th Level In OneWindow... We Can Visually Compare The Changes Of Dhasa Cycles WhenWe Just Change Hour-Min-Sec-Year-Month-Day Any Thing By PressingUp Or Down Control...When We Deal With Prasna Most Of The Result Is Arrived By RulingPlanets And Transit Co-Ordination. For A Birth Chart We MainlyDepends On Dhasa... So There Is No Point In Making Under Value The Dhasa System By Saying That Can't We Pin Up With Out Using DhasaSystem...After All The Dhasa System Which Has Given By Parasara Rishi Is TheOrigin For Steller Astrology... Mr.Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) And Mr.Prof.Krishnamurthy Both Done Their Researches And Succeeded BasedOn This Dhasa System Fundamental...I Once Again Declare No One Is Having Upper Hand Or No One IsHaving Authority Over Astrology Since Any One Who Is Having A GoodKnowledge Can Express Their Views...If Any One Is Not Capable Of Checking Or Testing The Things Cant SayThat Their View Is Only Correct...Instead Of Messing Up The Things Please Sit And Work Out Atleast For100 Birth Charts... Compare Both... Getting Down To 5th Or 6th Level... Then Come Out With The Results...I Have Done This For Minimum 3000 Charts... In This, More Than1000 Is manually Casted Before I Have Developed My Programs...So Do The Testing And Get The Result... No Other Thing Is So Good...Regards,S.N.Rajasekaran , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear Vaidun,> It seems to me that the crux of the whole issue is the definition of> "day". I quote from your earlier posting:> > "This is what most computer programmers, who are also astrologers,> have not understood. The length of a day in the Red Table is one> solar day, made up of 24 hours. But the length of a DAY in the Green> Table is not the same, it is slightly MORE than 24 hours. The length> of the year in the 365.25 days per year calendar and the length of the> year in the 360 days per year calendar is the SAME. If one divides> the SAME length by 365.25 in one case, and 360 in another case, it> will be appreciated that the resultant unit that one gets will not be> the same. The unit in the former is 24 hours while the unit in the> latter will be a little MORE than 24 hours. The confusion arises> because both units are referred to as a "day". But in reality, one> unit is slightly shorter than the other, though both units are given> the same name of "day". ..."> > It is not clear to me how you say that "day" as used in Vimshottari> context is different in value from the "day" in solar year. In your view, > 360 * vimshottari_day == 365.25 * solar_day> What is the source that supports this claim?> > Suppose we exaggerate this a little bit and propose that Vimshottari> year had only 200 days, will the above equality still hold good?> > I believe all the programs you have mentioned use the assumption that> "day" refers to solar day. At least mine does.> > I am sure all of us programmers (whether we know astrology or not)> follow certain principles when we program and we are definitely open> to correction. If we are wrong, we would certainly like to correct our> belief systems and the programs. In spite of our best efforts, though,> there will be calculation approximations because of the finiteness of> machine word, etc., but that should be acceptable.> > Rehards,> Rangarajan> > --- In , "Vaidun Vidyadhar" <vvidya@o...> wrote:> > Dear List Members,> > > > Mr Raichur has very kindly pointed out that the difference between using> > 365.25 or 360 days per year comes to only 1 day. Prof KSK himself> said "the> > difference is negligible". If one uses astrological tables and manually> > calculates the dasa periods as per the guidelines given in Prof KSK> Readers,> > as I have done in the Green Table, (in my earlier email attachment) the> > difference IS actually less than one day (19 hours and 38 minutes to be> > exact). > > > > On the other hand, I have before me four astrology programs which> have the> > facility to select 365.25 or 360 days per year. When I do this, I> find that> > the difference is NOT negligible. In my own chart, the onset of my> Saturn> > dasa is different by ONE YEAR, as shown below. > > > > Program 365.25 days/year 360 days/year> > Goravani Jyotish 26 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010> > Shri Jyoti Star 29 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010> > KPAstro2.0 27 Nov 2011 29 Nov 2010> > Jyotish Tools 24 Nov 2011 25 Nov 2010> > > > A few months ago when this subject was being discussed on this list a> > similar anomaly was seen in the program called "Fortune Discoverer"> being> > developed by Mr Rajasekaran. > > > > So we have FIVE astrology programs developed by five different> astrologers> > who obviously know what they are putting into their program. All five> > programs show that difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per> year is> > almost ONE YEAR while at para one above it is seen that the> difference is> > less than a day. How do you reconcile this GROSS anomaly? You can> try this> > on any chart. Take a period about 70 to 80 years after birth and> see the> > difference in onset of a major dasa when 365.25 or 360 days per year is> > selected. You will get similar results. > > > > My knowledge of astrology is only at the intermediate level, though> I have a> > fairly good understanding of the mathematics involved. With MY limited> > knowledge of astrology, if it was I who said that the difference between> > using 365.25 or 360 days per year is only one day, while the astrology> > programs show a difference of one year, I suppose my claim can be> dismissed> > as rubbish. But it was Mr RAICHUR who has said this. Mr Raichur,> as you> > all know is an expert on this subject, having contributed well known> > articles on this subject from time to time. He is a recognised> authority in> > astrology. HE has mathematically shown that the difference between> using> > 365.25 or 360 days per year, in my chart, is only one day. He has> gone as> > far as to say, "ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days> comes to> > only 1 day. So why should we break our heads over this small> variation?"> > > > But these five astrology programs show that the difference is ONE> YEAR. > > > > If Mr Raichur is correct then these five astrology programs are> wrong and> > vice versa. > > > > Can someone who has understood this point kindly take the trouble to> > explain. I will be very obliged.> > > > Thanks for your time. With regards.> > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > Australia > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > Monday, 7 March 2005 11:15 PM> > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > > > > Dear Vaidun> > > > Thanks for correcting my mistakes.> > > > However, ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to> only 1> > day > > > > as calculated by you. So why should we break our heads over this small> > > > variation ?> > > > good luck> > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote:> > > > > Dear Mr Raichur,> > > > > > Thank you for your email below.> > > > > > There is a small mathematical error in your calculation. You have> said:> > > > > > "0.435*12 = 5. 34 months"> > > > > > It should be, 0.435*12 = 5.22 months and not 5.34 months as> stated above.> > > > > >> >> ****************************************************************************> > > *************> > > > > > The full calculations using the 360 days per year is as follows:> > > > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees = 8:17:24> > > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 29844/48000*20 = 12.435 years (same> as your> > > calculations so far)> > > > > > 0.435*12 = 5.22 months> > > 0.22*30 = 6.6 days> > > 0.6*24 = 14.4 hours> > > 0.4*60 = 24 minutes> > > > > > So Venus dasa balance works out to 12 years, 5 months, 6 days, 14> hours> > and> > > 24 minutes.> > > > > > Adding this to date and time of birth: 20 Jun 1942, 1549 hours we get> > > > > > Venus dasa ends on 27 Nov 1954 at 0613 hours.> > > > > > In the Green Table I have indicated 27 Nov 1954 and left out the "0613> > > hours"> > > > > >> >> ****************************************************************************> > > ****> > > > > > The full calculations using the 365.25 days per year is as follows:> > > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 12.435 > > > 0.435*365 = 158.775 days (we need to multiply by 365 since the> year 1942> > was> > > not a leap year)> > > 0.775*24 = 18.6 hours> > > 0.6*60 = 36 minutes> > > > > > So Venus dasa balance is: 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes.> > > > > > Adding 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes to birth date and> time of> > > 20th June, 1549 hours (on the real time calendar) we get:> > > > > > Venus dasa ends on: 26 Nov 1954 at 1025 hours.> > > > > > In the Red Table it is shown as 26 Nov 1954 and the 1025 hours has> been> > left> > > out. This is what the computer has calculated.> > > > > >> >> ****************************************************************************> > > *****************************> > > > > > In the Blue Table, Venus dasa is shown to end on 22 Sep 1954. > This is not> > > MY calculation. This date was provided by the computer program when I> > > selected the 360 days per year option. I have clearly explained in my> > > earlier email addressed to TW as to HOW this error is happening. The> > dates> > > shown in the Blue Table are wrong. I have clearly explained WHY it is> > > wrong. > > > > > >> >> ****************************************************************************> > > *************************************> > > > > > Submitted for your comments on this please.> > > > > > Thanks. With best regards.> > > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > > Australia > > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > > Monday, 7 March 2005 6:36 PM> > > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > > > > > > > Dear Vidyadhar> > > > > > I append below the calculations of Dasa ending by using the 360> and 365.25> > > day> > > method.> > > > > > your comments on this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vaidun Vaaidyadhar> > > > > > Assuming the Moon,s postion as correct, the Balance of Dasa Of Ven is> > > > > > 8-17-24 deg,min,sec: This is 497.24 minutes of arc.> > > > > > Traditional or easy method of 360 days.> > > > > > This is converted into time : 497.24/800 * 20 (20yrs Dasa of Venus)> > > > > > This gives 12.435 Yrs. .435 yrs= .435*12 = 5. 34 months. .34> months*30> > > > > > =10,02 days. Say 10 days. So balance is 12yrs, 5months, 10days.> > > > > > Adding to Birth date we get 20+10=30days: 6+5=11 months:> 1942+12=1954 year> > > > > > so the Venus dasa ends on 30 Nov 1954> > > > > > Sun dasa ends 6 ys later 30 Nov 1960 > > > > > > Moon dasa ends 10 yrs 30 Nov 1970 and so on> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > If we take 365.25 days, then we should take dasa of venus as> 365.25*20=> > > 7310.50> > > dates> > > > > > So Balace of dasa will be 497.24/800 * 7310.5 = 4545.30 days > > > > > > 4545.3/365.25 = 12.44436 years > > > > > > this is 12 years 162 days. So adding 162 calender days to 20 jun> 1942, one> > > > > > > > gets 10 dys of JUN. 31 of july,31 of aug, 3o of Sep, 31 of oct,+30> in Nov> > > > > > So date is 30 nov 1954. > > > > > > _________________________> > > if however we take .435*365.25 we get 158.88 say 159 days. Thus> we lose 3> > > days> > >> ------- > > > > > > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Raichur,> > > > > > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > > > > > My birth details were clearly stated in the Excel file. > However, I am> > > > reproducing this below:> > > > > > > > Vaidun K Vidyadhar > > > > Date and time of birth: 20 June 1942, 1549 hours (Indian> Standard Time,> > > GMT> > > > + 5:30) > > > > Place of birth: Walajapet, Lat 12N56, Long 79E23 > > > > Moon's longitude at birth: 138:22:36, 18:22:36 in Leo > > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees: 8:17:24 > > > > Venus dasa balance in years: 12.435 > > > > > > > > The dates shown in the Red and Blue tables in the Excel file are the> > exact> > > > dates derived from Goravani Gyotish 2.25 by selecting the 365 or 360> > days> > > > per year option. If you have this program, you can try it out for> > > yourself.> > > > I have two other astrology programs which also have this> facility, Shri> > > > Jyoti Star and Jyotish Tools. The dates shown there are also quite> > close> > > > the ones shown in the Excel file.> > > > > > > > With best regards.> > > > > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > > > Australia > > > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > > > Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:06 PM> > > > > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Vaidun Vidyadhar> > > > > > > > I cannot understand how the start of the Main Dasa varies by ONE> YEAR.> > > > > > > > If you send me your Birth Details, I will cast the chart and> indicate> > when> > > > your> > > > Saturn Dasa Starts> > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > =====> > --------- > > A.R.Raichur bombay> > anant_1608 > > raichuranant> > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY> > tel: 022-2506 2609 > > ---------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > http://birthday./netrospective/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Dear Mr Rajasekaran, How are you? I had said the difference between the date of onset of my Saturn dasa as shown in the Green Table and the Red Table (in the context of the Excel file that I attached to my earlier email) was one day. The Green Table uses the 360 days per year calendar while the Red Table uses the 365.25 days per year calendar. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said "the difference is negligible" when the 360 days per year or 365.25 days per year are used. But when the difference becomes ONE YEAR, as I have shown, the difference is no longer negligible. I had also explained at length, HOW this error has been allowed to happen. 5.25*69 = 362.25 days, which is almost one year. With best regards. Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya S.N.Rajasekaran [snrajasekaran2004] Wednesday, 9 March 2005 6:15 AM Subject: Re: Vimshottari Period Dear Mr.Vidhyadhar,Though I Have Repeatedly Asked You And Others to clarifyThat Whether Any One Of You Have Tried Tracking The EventBy Applying 360 And 365.25 Method Simultaniously Side by Side?If You Try Out This You Can Find Out the Real Action Behind The Things... It Is Not Correct To Say That The Diff. Between360 And 365 Is Merely 1 Day... It Should Be 5.25 days Per YearRelatively... For A Person Who Is Running 40 Years Should BeRunning Ahead of 210 Days Regarding To 365.25 days Calc... In My Experiance I Have Seen For All Cases The 360 Days CalculationOnly Working... Iam Not Arguing Like you People Arguing With OutHeading Other's Point... I Have Developed Many Tools To Test This...One Module I Have Developed To check This Is Having A Dhasa PanelWhich Is Having Both 360 And 365.25 Display Up To 7th Level In OneWindow... We Can Visually Compare The Changes Of Dhasa Cycles WhenWe Just Change Hour-Min-Sec-Year-Month-Day Any Thing By PressingUp Or Down Control...When We Deal With Prasna Most Of The Result Is Arrived By RulingPlanets And Transit Co-Ordination. For A Birth Chart We MainlyDepends On Dhasa... So There Is No Point In Making Under Value The Dhasa System By Saying That Can't We Pin Up With Out Using DhasaSystem...After All The Dhasa System Which Has Given By Parasara Rishi Is TheOrigin For Steller Astrology... Mr.Gopala Krishna Rao (Meena) And Mr.Prof.Krishnamurthy Both Done Their Researches And Succeeded BasedOn This Dhasa System Fundamental...I Once Again Declare No One Is Having Upper Hand Or No One IsHaving Authority Over Astrology Since Any One Who Is Having A GoodKnowledge Can Express Their Views...If Any One Is Not Capable Of Checking Or Testing The Things Cant SayThat Their View Is Only Correct...Instead Of Messing Up The Things Please Sit And Work Out Atleast For100 Birth Charts... Compare Both... Getting Down To 5th Or 6th Level... Then Come Out With The Results...I Have Done This For Minimum 3000 Charts... In This, More Than1000 Is manually Casted Before I Have Developed My Programs...So Do The Testing And Get The Result... No Other Thing Is So Good...Regards,S.N.Rajasekaran , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear Vaidun,> It seems to me that the crux of the whole issue is the definition of> "day". I quote from your earlier posting:> > "This is what most computer programmers, who are also astrologers,> have not understood. The length of a day in the Red Table is one> solar day, made up of 24 hours. But the length of a DAY in the Green> Table is not the same, it is slightly MORE than 24 hours. The length> of the year in the 365.25 days per year calendar and the length of the> year in the 360 days per year calendar is the SAME. If one divides> the SAME length by 365.25 in one case, and 360 in another case, it> will be appreciated that the resultant unit that one gets will not be> the same. The unit in the former is 24 hours while the unit in the> latter will be a little MORE than 24 hours. The confusion arises> because both units are referred to as a "day". But in reality, one> unit is slightly shorter than the other, though both units are given> the same name of "day". ..."> > It is not clear to me how you say that "day" as used in Vimshottari> context is different in value from the "day" in solar year. In your view, > 360 * vimshottari_day == 365.25 * solar_day> What is the source that supports this claim?> > Suppose we exaggerate this a little bit and propose that Vimshottari> year had only 200 days, will the above equality still hold good?> > I believe all the programs you have mentioned use the assumption that> "day" refers to solar day. At least mine does.> > I am sure all of us programmers (whether we know astrology or not)> follow certain principles when we program and we are definitely open> to correction. If we are wrong, we would certainly like to correct our> belief systems and the programs. In spite of our best efforts, though,> there will be calculation approximations because of the finiteness of> machine word, etc., but that should be acceptable.> > Rehards,> Rangarajan> > , "Vaidun Vidyadhar" <vvidya@o...> wrote:> > Dear List Members,> > > > Mr Raichur has very kindly pointed out that the difference between using> > 365.25 or 360 days per year comes to only 1 day. Prof KSK himself> said "the> > difference is negligible". If one uses astrological tables and manually> > calculates the dasa periods as per the guidelines given in Prof KSK> Readers,> > as I have done in the Green Table, (in my earlier email attachment) the> > difference IS actually less than one day (19 hours and 38 minutes to be> > exact). > > > > On the other hand, I have before me four astrology programs which> have the> > facility to select 365.25 or 360 days per year. When I do this, I> find that> > the difference is NOT negligible. In my own chart, the onset of my> Saturn> > dasa is different by ONE YEAR, as shown below. > > > > Program 365.25 days/year 360 days/year> > Goravani Jyotish 26 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010> > Shri Jyoti Star 29 Nov 2011 27 Nov 2010> > KPAstro2.0 27 Nov 2011 29 Nov 2010> > Jyotish Tools 24 Nov 2011 25 Nov 2010> > > > A few months ago when this subject was being discussed on this list a> > similar anomaly was seen in the program called "Fortune Discoverer"> being> > developed by Mr Rajasekaran. > > > > So we have FIVE astrology programs developed by five different> astrologers> > who obviously know what they are putting into their program. All five> > programs show that difference between using 365.25 or 360 days per> year is> > almost ONE YEAR while at para one above it is seen that the> difference is> > less than a day. How do you reconcile this GROSS anomaly? You can> try this> > on any chart. Take a period about 70 to 80 years after birth and> see the> > difference in onset of a major dasa when 365.25 or 360 days per year is> > selected. You will get similar results. > > > > My knowledge of astrology is only at the intermediate level, though> I have a> > fairly good understanding of the mathematics involved. With MY limited> > knowledge of astrology, if it was I who said that the difference between> > using 365.25 or 360 days per year is only one day, while the astrology> > programs show a difference of one year, I suppose my claim can be> dismissed> > as rubbish. But it was Mr RAICHUR who has said this. Mr Raichur,> as you> > all know is an expert on this subject, having contributed well known> > articles on this subject from time to time. He is a recognised> authority in> > astrology. HE has mathematically shown that the difference between> using> > 365.25 or 360 days per year, in my chart, is only one day. He has> gone as> > far as to say, "ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days> comes to> > only 1 day. So why should we break our heads over this small> variation?"> > > > But these five astrology programs show that the difference is ONE> YEAR. > > > > If Mr Raichur is correct then these five astrology programs are> wrong and> > vice versa. > > > > Can someone who has understood this point kindly take the trouble to> > explain. I will be very obliged.> > > > Thanks for your time. With regards.> > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > Australia > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > Monday, 7 March 2005 11:15 PM> > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > > > > Dear Vaidun> > > > Thanks for correcting my mistakes.> > > > However, ultimately the difference in the 360/365.25 days comes to> only 1> > day > > > > as calculated by you. So why should we break our heads over this small> > > > variation ?> > > > good luck> > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote:> > > > > Dear Mr Raichur,> > > > > > Thank you for your email below.> > > > > > There is a small mathematical error in your calculation. You have> said:> > > > > > "0.435*12 = 5. 34 months"> > > > > > It should be, 0.435*12 = 5.22 months and not 5.34 months as> stated above.> > > > > >> >> ****************************************************************************> > > *************> > > > > > The full calculations using the 360 days per year is as follows:> > > > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees = 8:17:24> > > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 29844/48000*20 = 12.435 years (same> as your> > > calculations so far)> > > > > > 0.435*12 = 5.22 months> > > 0.22*30 = 6.6 days> > > 0.6*24 = 14.4 hours> > > 0.4*60 = 24 minutes> > > > > > So Venus dasa balance works out to 12 years, 5 months, 6 days, 14> hours> > and> > > 24 minutes.> > > > > > Adding this to date and time of birth: 20 Jun 1942, 1549 hours we get> > > > > > Venus dasa ends on 27 Nov 1954 at 0613 hours.> > > > > > In the Green Table I have indicated 27 Nov 1954 and left out the "0613> > > hours"> > > > > >> >> ****************************************************************************> > > ****> > > > > > The full calculations using the 365.25 days per year is as follows:> > > > > > Venus dasa balance in years = 12.435 > > > 0.435*365 = 158.775 days (we need to multiply by 365 since the> year 1942> > was> > > not a leap year)> > > 0.775*24 = 18.6 hours> > > 0.6*60 = 36 minutes> > > > > > So Venus dasa balance is: 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes.> > > > > > Adding 12 years, 158 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes to birth date and> time of> > > 20th June, 1549 hours (on the real time calendar) we get:> > > > > > Venus dasa ends on: 26 Nov 1954 at 1025 hours.> > > > > > In the Red Table it is shown as 26 Nov 1954 and the 1025 hours has> been> > left> > > out. This is what the computer has calculated.> > > > > >> >> ****************************************************************************> > > *****************************> > > > > > In the Blue Table, Venus dasa is shown to end on 22 Sep 1954. > This is not> > > MY calculation. This date was provided by the computer program when I> > > selected the 360 days per year option. I have clearly explained in my> > > earlier email addressed to TW as to HOW this error is happening. The> > dates> > > shown in the Blue Table are wrong. I have clearly explained WHY it is> > > wrong. > > > > > >> >> ****************************************************************************> > > *************************************> > > > > > Submitted for your comments on this please.> > > > > > Thanks. With best regards.> > > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > > Australia > > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > > Monday, 7 March 2005 6:36 PM> > > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > > > > > > > Dear Vidyadhar> > > > > > I append below the calculations of Dasa ending by using the 360> and 365.25> > > day> > > method.> > > > > > your comments on this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vaidun Vaaidyadhar> > > > > > Assuming the Moon,s postion as correct, the Balance of Dasa Of Ven is> > > > > > 8-17-24 deg,min,sec: This is 497.24 minutes of arc.> > > > > > Traditional or easy method of 360 days.> > > > > > This is converted into time : 497.24/800 * 20 (20yrs Dasa of Venus)> > > > > > This gives 12.435 Yrs. .435 yrs= .435*12 = 5. 34 months. .34> months*30> > > > > > =10,02 days. Say 10 days. So balance is 12yrs, 5months, 10days.> > > > > > Adding to Birth date we get 20+10=30days: 6+5=11 months:> 1942+12=1954 year> > > > > > so the Venus dasa ends on 30 Nov 1954> > > > > > Sun dasa ends 6 ys later 30 Nov 1960 > > > > > > Moon dasa ends 10 yrs 30 Nov 1970 and so on> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > If we take 365.25 days, then we should take dasa of venus as> 365.25*20=> > > 7310.50> > > dates> > > > > > So Balace of dasa will be 497.24/800 * 7310.5 = 4545.30 days > > > > > > 4545.3/365.25 = 12.44436 years > > > > > > this is 12 years 162 days. So adding 162 calender days to 20 jun> 1942, one> > > > > > > > gets 10 dys of JUN. 31 of july,31 of aug, 3o of Sep, 31 of oct,+30> in Nov> > > > > > So date is 30 nov 1954. > > > > > > _________________________> > > if however we take .435*365.25 we get 158.88 say 159 days. Thus> we lose 3> > > days> > >> ------- > > > > > > --- Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Raichur,> > > > > > > > Thank you for your email below. > > > > > > > > My birth details were clearly stated in the Excel file. > However, I am> > > > reproducing this below:> > > > > > > > Vaidun K Vidyadhar > > > > Date and time of birth: 20 June 1942, 1549 hours (Indian> Standard Time,> > > GMT> > > > + 5:30) > > > > Place of birth: Walajapet, Lat 12N56, Long 79E23 > > > > Moon's longitude at birth: 138:22:36, 18:22:36 in Leo > > > > Venus dasa balance in degrees: 8:17:24 > > > > Venus dasa balance in years: 12.435 > > > > > > > > The dates shown in the Red and Blue tables in the Excel file are the> > exact> > > > dates derived from Goravani Gyotish 2.25 by selecting the 365 or 360> > days> > > > per year option. If you have this program, you can try it out for> > > yourself.> > > > I have two other astrology programs which also have this> facility, Shri> > > > Jyoti Star and Jyotish Tools. The dates shown there are also quite> > close> > > > the ones shown in the Excel file.> > > > > > > > With best regards.> > > > > > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > > > > 1 / 94 Marius Street > > > > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > > > > Australia > > > > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > > > > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > > > > Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > anant raichur [anant_1608] > > > > Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:06 PM> > > > > > > > RE: Re: Vimshottari Period> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Vaidun Vidyadhar> > > > > > > > I cannot understand how the start of the Main Dasa varies by ONE> YEAR.> > > > > > > > If you send me your Birth Details, I will cast the chart and> indicate> > when> > > > your> > > > Saturn Dasa Starts> > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > =====> > --------- > > A.R.Raichur bombay> > anant_1608 > > raichuranant> > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY> > tel: 022-2506 2609 > > ---------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > http://birthday./netrospective/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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