Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Dear Mr Rao, This mail does not canvas the point at issue, but speaks about terminology. In your mail below you mention " so are the vast majority of my consultants,very happy " . I have noticed that there is frequent reference to clients as 'consultants' starting way back to the KP readers. In the West consultants are accepted by the normal dictionary definition ie. " one qualified to give professional advice or services " . ie the consultant is the astrologer not the client. The terminology for a client is normally taken to be 'consultee'. I realize that 'consultant' is widely used in KP astrology, and I don't intend being disrespectful. I am just pointing out that it can be very confusing, particularly for Western astrologers converting to KP. All the best. Ron Gaunt On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:49:47 +1100, you wrote: >Dear Mr Rao, > >It is very commendable that you are able to achieve such a very high >prediction rate WITHOUT using the Vimshotdhari dasa system. > >But, nevertheless, the Vimshotdhari dasa system still remains a very useful >tool for the astrologer and most vedic astrologers make extensive use of it. >Transit influences need to be also taken into account, as you have very >rightly pointed out. In fact, as per some systems, transit influence is >said to be more important and will tend to supercede dasa/bhukti influence. > > >With best regards. > >Yours sincerely, > >Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: <vvidya vvidya > > > > > > _____ > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1] >Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:23 PM > >RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > >Dear Vaidun, > As for me,I personally use Mr.Raichur's software,and >fine-tune,to find the exact period of fructification of the event,with the >help of Ruling Planets,and the Transit of the relevant karaka house cusp >s/lord over the XIth cusp...if it is promotion,the Xth sublord's transit >over the XIth cusp,if the sublord of the XIth is a fast moving planet in an >Arial sign then,the Moon's transit...,and so on... > Also,therefore,for accuracy I prefer the Horary method >ALWAYS...In fact I always advise consultants to send me a query along with a >horary number along with their TOB,POB & DOB...as in my experience most >birth times are not noted strictly as per K.P.,ie at the time of the " first >cry " of the newborn... > Thus far by following the above I have been able to >achieve a success-rate of 19/20 correct predictions...a fairly high >percentage,you'll agree...Frankly, I DO NOT AIM FOR 100% ACCURACY...I am >happy,and so are the vast majority of my consultants,very happy with a 90% + >rate of accuracy...! ! > I have tried to reply to your query to the best of my >ability...and through my experience...I hope I have been able to satisfy >you... > With best wishes, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > >Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote: > >Dear Mr Rao, > >Thank you for your email below. > >Let me put this way. I am now running Jupiter dasa. When my Saturn dasa >starts, going by astrological indications, I can expect certain influences >to start shaping my life. Now I need to know, WHEN does my Saturn dasa >start? The Vimshotdhari dasa system is one of the corner stones in vedic >astrology around which astrological predictions are made. This is one of >the main differences between Vedic and Western astrology. So I need to know >when my Saturn dasa will start. If you look at the dasa tables shown in the >Excel files that I had earlier sent, the date of commencement of my Saturn >dasa is shown. In the Red Table the date is shown as 26 Nov 2011 whereas >in the Blue Table it is shown as 27 Nov 2010. The difference is one FULL >YEAR. Which one is correct? If we are not able to get the correct start >date of the MAIN dasa period itself, how can we go down to further sub and >sub sub periods? Hairsplitting is when we are keen to go down to the >fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh level. But in this case the onset of the >very main dasa period ITSELF is in question. > >I agree with you, we don't predict ONLY by the dasa/bhukti periods. But, >nevertheless, the Vimshotdhari dasa system still remains a very important >and useful tool to the astrologer. > >With best regards. > >Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: <vvidya vvidya > > > > > > _____ > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1] >Sunday, 6 March 2005 5:14 PM > >RE: Re: Vimshottari Period > > >Dear Vaidun, > Thank you for the comparisons...BUT,you have not addressed >my question... > " In the face of the availability of a variety of very successful >methods available to us,in K.P.,itself,and especially the TRANSIT of the >Moon/Sun/Ascendant wherever appropriate...or the s/l of the Karaka House,or >the s/l of the XIth cusp over the Karaka house cusp...etc...despite all >this...this " hairsplitting " on the length of the Vimshottari Year...is >truly a futile exercise in hairsplitting...after so >many days of debate on this subject...what have we really achieved ? " > Do we/can we predict ONLY by using the Vimshottari Dasa >alone system...? Then why the hullabulloo ? > Once again, I urge ALL, to READ Mr.Raichur's illuminating >article in K.P. & Astrology... " The Craze for Accuracy " ...I & II,in the 1997 > & 1998 issues of the K.P. & Astrology,respectively... > With highest regards, > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > >Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote: > >Dear List Members, > >Reference Mr Rangarajan's email below, I would like to submit the following. > >Before the advent of computers, astrologers had to refer to Tables and >manually draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table. For this, taking one year as >being equal to 360 days was very convenient because all 12 months in the >year (including Jan, Feb, Apr, Jun, Sep and Nov) are allocated 30 days each. >Placed in the Green Table in the attached Excel file please find my own dasa >chart drawn up using the " Astrological Tables for All, Ready Reckoner " , >published by Hariman Publications. For purposes of illustration, Moon dasa >has been further expanded to include it's bhuktis and anthras. > >With the advent of computers, such laborious manual calculations are no >longer necessary. Most computer programs can display the >dasa/bhukti/anthras table almost instantaneously. Most computer programs >also provide the option to select 365.25 days per year or 360 days per year. >Placed in the Red Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 365.25 days per >year option selected. Placed in the Blue Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras >with the 360 days per year option selected. The dates for both these tables >have been taken from a leading astrology program. > >Compare the dates shown in the tables for the start and end of each dasa, >bhukti or anthras. Notice the dates shown in the Red and Green tables are >very close to each other and NEVER more than 2 days apart. The dates shown >in the Red Table are the correct ones. The dates shown in the Green Table >are acceptably close since they are never more than two days away from the >correct dates shown in the Red Table. This is what Prof KSK meant when he >said, " For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days >are taken, as the difference is negligible " . > >One can certainly use the 360 days per year option to draw up a >dasa/bhukti/anthras table but it MUST be laid out against a 360 days per >year calendar as shown in the Green Table. But with the advent of computers >the Green Table is no longer necessary. The dates shown in the Red Table >are more accurate. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said, " Hence only >Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be adopted. " > >Now compare the dates shown in the Blue Table against the dates shown in the >Red Table. The difference in the dates progressively increases. Ketu dasa >ACTUALLY ends on 26 Nov 2054, as shown in the Red Table but as per the Blue >Table it is shown to end on 15 Apr 2053. The difference is one year, seven >months and eleven days. This is a VERY large error and totally >unacceptable. > >If one lays out the 360 days per year chart against a Real Time, 365.25 days >per year, Gregorian Calendar, one will come up with the Blue Table, as >shown. These dates are completely wrong. In the Vimshotdhari Dasa cycle >each planet is allocated a certain number of years and the whole cycle is to >take 120 years. The dates shown in the Blue Table do not meet these >requirements. Yet most astrology programs have the option to generate such >a table. I can't understand this anomaly. Can't computer programmers, who >are also astrologers, understand the various factors involved here? With >what authority and on what basis have they reduced the number of years >allocated to each planet? > >Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: <vvidya vvidya > > > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " ><ranga@m...> wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw >> your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has >> argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In >> particular, you will this towards the end of page 97: >> " ... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days >> alone is to be adopted. >> For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 >days >> are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be >> taken. " >> >> I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if >you >> wish. >> >> Regards, >> Rangarajan > > > > > > > >> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/vnd.ms-excel name=365.25 vs 360 days per >year.xls > > > ><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matri >mony/> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online ><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg2/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matr >imony/> . > > > > ><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matri >mony/> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online ><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg2/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matr >imony/> . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Dear Ron, In the early stage when I was studying KP readers, I also was confused about the term "consultant". But, when I browsed through "Chambers 20th Century Dictionary", my doubts had vanished. What the dictionary says about the related terms, is as under: consult: to ask advice of; to look up for information or advice. consultant: one who seeks advice or information; on who gives professional advice or takes part in consultation consultee: the person consulted. I hope this should clear any confusion about the use of term "consultant" in the KP literature. Good luck. Hasmukhrai J Mehta.rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: Dear Mr Rao,This mail does not canvas the point at issue, but speaks aboutterminology. In your mail below you mention "so are the vastmajority of my consultants,very happy". I have noticed that there is frequent reference to clients as'consultants' starting way back to the KP readers. In the Westconsultants are accepted by the normal dictionary definition ie."one qualified to give professional advice or services". ie theconsultant is the astrologer not the client. The terminologyfor a client is normally taken to be 'consultee'.I realize that 'consultant' is widely used in KP astrology, and Idon't intend being disrespectful. I am just pointing out thatit can be very confusing, particularly for Western astrologersconverting to KP.All the best.Ron GauntOn Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:49:47 +1100, you wrote:>Dear Mr Rao,> >It is very commendable that you are able to achieve such a very high>prediction rate WITHOUT using the Vimshotdhari dasa system. > >But, nevertheless, the Vimshotdhari dasa system still remains a very useful>tool for the astrologer and most vedic astrologers make extensive use of it.>Transit influences need to be also taken into account, as you have very>rightly pointed out. In fact, as per some systems, transit influence is>said to be more important and will tend to supercede dasa/bhukti influence.>> >With best regards.> >Yours sincerely,>>Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: <vvidya vvidya >>>> >> _____ >>Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1] >Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:23 PM> >RE: Re: Vimshottari Period>>>Dear Vaidun,> As for me,I personally use Mr.Raichur's software,and>fine-tune,to find the exact period of fructification of the event,with the>help of Ruling Planets,and the Transit of the relevant karaka house cusp>s/lord over the XIth cusp...if it is promotion,the Xth sublord's transit>over the XIth cusp,if the sublord of the XIth is a fast moving planet in an>Arial sign then,the Moon's transit...,and so on...> Also,therefore,for accuracy I prefer the Horary method>ALWAYS...In fact I always advise consultants to send me a query along with a>horary number along with their TOB,POB & DOB...as in my experience most>birth times are not noted strictly as per K.P.,ie at the time of the "first>cry" of the newborn...> Thus far by following the above I have been able to>achieve a success-rate of 19/20 correct predictions...a fairly high>percentage,you'll agree...Frankly, I DO NOT AIM FOR 100% ACCURACY...I am>happy,and so are the vast majority of my consultants,very happy with a 90% +>rate of accuracy...! !> I have tried to reply to your query to the best of my>ability...and through my experience...I hope I have been able to satisfy>you...> With best wishes,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !>>Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:>>Dear Mr Rao,> >Thank you for your email below. > >Let me put this way. I am now running Jupiter dasa. When my Saturn dasa>starts, going by astrological indications, I can expect certain influences>to start shaping my life. Now I need to know, WHEN does my Saturn dasa>start? The Vimshotdhari dasa system is one of the corner stones in vedic>astrology around which astrological predictions are made. This is one of>the main differences between Vedic and Western astrology. So I need to know>when my Saturn dasa will start. If you look at the dasa tables shown in the>Excel files that I had earlier sent, the date of commencement of my Saturn>dasa is shown. In the Red Table the date is shown as 26 Nov 2011 whereas>in the Blue Table it is shown as 27 Nov 2010. The difference is one FULL>YEAR. Which one is correct? If we are not able to get the correct start>date of the MAIN dasa period itself, how can we go down to further sub and>sub sub periods? Hairsplitting is when we are keen to go down to the>fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh level. But in this case the onset of the>very main dasa period ITSELF is in question. > >I agree with you, we don't predict ONLY by the dasa/bhukti periods. But,>nevertheless, the Vimshotdhari dasa system still remains a very important>and useful tool to the astrologer. > >With best regards.>>Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: <vvidya vvidya >>>> >> _____ >>Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1] >Sunday, 6 March 2005 5:14 PM> >RE: Re: Vimshottari Period>>>Dear Vaidun,> Thank you for the comparisons...BUT,you have not addressed>my question...> " In the face of the availability of a variety of very successful>methods available to us,in K.P.,itself,and especially the TRANSIT of the>Moon/Sun/Ascendant wherever appropriate...or the s/l of the Karaka House,or>the s/l of the XIth cusp over the Karaka house cusp...etc...despite all>this...this "hairsplitting" on the length of the Vimshottari Year...is>truly a futile exercise in hairsplitting...after so>many days of debate on this subject...what have we really achieved ?"> Do we/can we predict ONLY by using the Vimshottari Dasa>alone system...? Then why the hullabulloo ?> Once again, I urge ALL, to READ Mr.Raichur's illuminating>article in K.P. & Astrology..."The Craze for Accuracy"...I & II,in the 1997> & 1998 issues of the K.P. & Astrology,respectively...> With highest regards,> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> >>Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:>>Dear List Members,> >Reference Mr Rangarajan's email below, I would like to submit the following.> >Before the advent of computers, astrologers had to refer to Tables and>manually draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table. For this, taking one year as>being equal to 360 days was very convenient because all 12 months in the>year (including Jan, Feb, Apr, Jun, Sep and Nov) are allocated 30 days each.>Placed in the Green Table in the attached Excel file please find my own dasa>chart drawn up using the "Astrological Tables for All, Ready Reckoner",>published by Hariman Publications. For purposes of illustration, Moon dasa>has been further expanded to include it's bhuktis and anthras. > >With the advent of computers, such laborious manual calculations are no>longer necessary. Most computer programs can display the>dasa/bhukti/anthras table almost instantaneously. Most computer programs>also provide the option to select 365.25 days per year or 360 days per year.>Placed in the Red Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 365.25 days per>year option selected. Placed in the Blue Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras>with the 360 days per year option selected. The dates for both these tables>have been taken from a leading astrology program.> >Compare the dates shown in the tables for the start and end of each dasa,>bhukti or anthras. Notice the dates shown in the Red and Green tables are>very close to each other and NEVER more than 2 days apart. The dates shown>in the Red Table are the correct ones. The dates shown in the Green Table>are acceptably close since they are never more than two days away from the>correct dates shown in the Red Table. This is what Prof KSK meant when he>said, "For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days>are taken, as the difference is negligible".> >One can certainly use the 360 days per year option to draw up a>dasa/bhukti/anthras table but it MUST be laid out against a 360 days per>year calendar as shown in the Green Table. But with the advent of computers>the Green Table is no longer necessary. The dates shown in the Red Table>are more accurate. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said, "Hence only>Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be adopted.">>Now compare the dates shown in the Blue Table against the dates shown in the>Red Table. The difference in the dates progressively increases. Ketu dasa>ACTUALLY ends on 26 Nov 2054, as shown in the Red Table but as per the Blue>Table it is shown to end on 15 Apr 2053. The difference is one year, seven>months and eleven days. This is a VERY large error and totally>unacceptable. > >If one lays out the 360 days per year chart against a Real Time, 365.25 days>per year, Gregorian Calendar, one will come up with the Blue Table, as>shown. These dates are completely wrong. In the Vimshotdhari Dasa cycle>each planet is allocated a certain number of years and the whole cycle is to>take 120 years. The dates shown in the Blue Table do not meet these>requirements. Yet most astrology programs have the option to generate such>a table. I can't understand this anomaly. Can't computer programmers, who>are also astrologers, understand the various factors involved here? With>what authority and on what basis have they reduced the number of years>allocated to each planet?> >Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: <vvidya vvidya >>>>>> , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" ><ranga@m...> wrote:>> >> Dear All,>> I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw >> your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has >> argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In >> particular, you will this towards the end of page 97: >> "... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days >> alone is to be adopted.>> For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 >days >> are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be >> taken.">> >> I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if >you >> wish.>> >> Regards,>> Rangarajan>>>>>>>>> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/vnd.ms-excel name=365.25 vs 360 days per>year.xls>>> ><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matri>mony/> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg2/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matr>imony/> . >>>> ><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matri>mony/> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg2/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matr>imony/> . >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Dear Hasmukhrai, Well I must admit I have never in the West heard of someone seeking advice as being referred to as a consultant. A quick check on the Web come up with the following quote from an article 'What's a Consultant' published in the NSPI journal. This can be found at http://home.att.net/~nickols/consult.htm Quote: 'If you listen closely, sooner or later you will hear this definition of a consultant: A consultant is someone who comes in, borrows your watch, tells you what time it is, keeps the watch, and charges you an exorbitant fee.' This incidentally shows that mostly we consider the person giving the advice as the Consultant. Another Quote as a conclusion: 'A consultant, then, is someone who helps others profit or learn from their own experience. A really good consultant also helps clients see the value of their experience and so the fees are rarely seen as exorbitant.' Also regarding 'Consultee' the Chambers definition seems a little out of place. The 'ee' on the end of a word normally denotes one who receives ie. employee is one who receives work. A mortgagee is one who receives or takes out a mortgage, addressee is one who receives notice at his address, etc, etc. Now here is food for thought. In Roget's Thesaurus the word 'Consultant' is shown as a substitute for the word 'Oracle' under the definition 'Prediction'. How appropriate for an astrologer!! Ron Gaunt On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:01:23 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Dear Ron, > >In the early stage when I was studying KP readers, I also was confused about the term " consultant " . But, when I browsed through " Chambers 20th Century Dictionary " , my doubts had vanished. What the dictionary says about the related terms, is as under: > >consult: to ask advice of; to look up for information or advice. >consultant: one who seeks advice or information; on who gives professional advice or > takes part in consultation >consultee: the person consulted. > >I hope this should clear any confusion about the use of term " consultant " in the KP literature. > >Good luck. > >Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > >rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: > >Dear Mr Rao, > >This mail does not canvas the point at issue, but speaks about >terminology. In your mail below you mention " so are the vast >majority of my consultants,very happy " . > >I have noticed that there is frequent reference to clients as >'consultants' starting way back to the KP readers. In the West >consultants are accepted by the normal dictionary definition ie. > " one qualified to give professional advice or services " . ie the >consultant is the astrologer not the client. The terminology >for a client is normally taken to be 'consultee'. > >I realize that 'consultant' is widely used in KP astrology, and I >don't intend being disrespectful. I am just pointing out that >it can be very confusing, particularly for Western astrologers >converting to KP. > >All the best. > > >Ron Gaunt > > > >On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:49:47 +1100, you wrote: > >>Dear Mr Rao, >> >>It is very commendable that you are able to achieve such a very high >>prediction rate WITHOUT using the Vimshotdhari dasa system. >> >>But, nevertheless, the Vimshotdhari dasa system still remains a very useful >>tool for the astrologer and most vedic astrologers make extensive use of it. >>Transit influences need to be also taken into account, as you have very >>rightly pointed out. In fact, as per some systems, transit influence is >>said to be more important and will tend to supercede dasa/bhukti influence. >> >> >>With best regards. >> >>Yours sincerely, >> >>Vaidun Vidyadhar >>1 / 94 Marius Street >>Tamworth, NSW 2340 >>Australia >>Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >>Mobile: 0414 870 083 >>Email: <vvidya vvidya >> >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >>Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1] >>Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:23 PM >> >>RE: Re: Vimshottari Period >> >> >>Dear Vaidun, >> As for me,I personally use Mr.Raichur's software,and >>fine-tune,to find the exact period of fructification of the event,with the >>help of Ruling Planets,and the Transit of the relevant karaka house cusp >>s/lord over the XIth cusp...if it is promotion,the Xth sublord's transit >>over the XIth cusp,if the sublord of the XIth is a fast moving planet in an >>Arial sign then,the Moon's transit...,and so on... >> Also,therefore,for accuracy I prefer the Horary method >>ALWAYS...In fact I always advise consultants to send me a query along with a >>horary number along with their TOB,POB & DOB...as in my experience most >>birth times are not noted strictly as per K.P.,ie at the time of the " first >>cry " of the newborn... >> Thus far by following the above I have been able to >>achieve a success-rate of 19/20 correct predictions...a fairly high >>percentage,you'll agree...Frankly, I DO NOT AIM FOR 100% ACCURACY...I am >>happy,and so are the vast majority of my consultants,very happy with a 90% + >>rate of accuracy...! ! >> I have tried to reply to your query to the best of my >>ability...and through my experience...I hope I have been able to satisfy >>you... >> With best wishes, >> lyrastro1 >> GOOD LUCK ! >> >>Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote: >> >>Dear Mr Rao, >> >>Thank you for your email below. >> >>Let me put this way. I am now running Jupiter dasa. When my Saturn dasa >>starts, going by astrological indications, I can expect certain influences >>to start shaping my life. Now I need to know, WHEN does my Saturn dasa >>start? The Vimshotdhari dasa system is one of the corner stones in vedic >>astrology around which astrological predictions are made. This is one of >>the main differences between Vedic and Western astrology. So I need to know >>when my Saturn dasa will start. If you look at the dasa tables shown in the >>Excel files that I had earlier sent, the date of commencement of my Saturn >>dasa is shown. In the Red Table the date is shown as 26 Nov 2011 whereas >>in the Blue Table it is shown as 27 Nov 2010. The difference is one FULL >>YEAR. Which one is correct? If we are not able to get the correct start >>date of the MAIN dasa period itself, how can we go down to further sub and >>sub sub periods? Hairsplitting is when we are keen to go down to the >>fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh level. But in this case the onset of the >>very main dasa period ITSELF is in question. >> >>I agree with you, we don't predict ONLY by the dasa/bhukti periods. But, >>nevertheless, the Vimshotdhari dasa system still remains a very important >>and useful tool to the astrologer. >> >>With best regards. >> >>Vaidun Vidyadhar >>1 / 94 Marius Street >>Tamworth, NSW 2340 >>Australia >>Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >>Mobile: 0414 870 083 >>Email: <vvidya vvidya >> >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >>Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1] >>Sunday, 6 March 2005 5:14 PM >> >>RE: Re: Vimshottari Period >> >> >>Dear Vaidun, >> Thank you for the comparisons...BUT,you have not addressed >>my question... >> " In the face of the availability of a variety of very successful >>methods available to us,in K.P.,itself,and especially the TRANSIT of the >>Moon/Sun/Ascendant wherever appropriate...or the s/l of the Karaka House,or >>the s/l of the XIth cusp over the Karaka house cusp...etc...despite all >>this...this " hairsplitting " on the length of the Vimshottari Year...is >>truly a futile exercise in hairsplitting...after so >>many days of debate on this subject...what have we really achieved ? " >> Do we/can we predict ONLY by using the Vimshottari Dasa >>alone system...? Then why the hullabulloo ? >> Once again, I urge ALL, to READ Mr.Raichur's illuminating >>article in K.P. & Astrology... " The Craze for Accuracy " ...I & II,in the 1997 >> & 1998 issues of the K.P. & Astrology,respectively... >> With highest regards, >> Yours sincerely, >> lyrastro1 >> GOOD LUCK ! >> >> >>Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote: >> >>Dear List Members, >> >>Reference Mr Rangarajan's email below, I would like to submit the following. >> >>Before the advent of computers, astrologers had to refer to Tables and >>manually draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table. For this, taking one year as >>being equal to 360 days was very convenient because all 12 months in the >>year (including Jan, Feb, Apr, Jun, Sep and Nov) are allocated 30 days each. >>Placed in the Green Table in the attached Excel file please find my own dasa >>chart drawn up using the " Astrological Tables for All, Ready Reckoner " , >>published by Hariman Publications. For purposes of illustration, Moon dasa >>has been further expanded to include it's bhuktis and anthras. >> >>With the advent of computers, such laborious manual calculations are no >>longer necessary. Most computer programs can display the >>dasa/bhukti/anthras table almost instantaneously. Most computer programs >>also provide the option to select 365.25 days per year or 360 days per year. >>Placed in the Red Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 365.25 days per >>year option selected. Placed in the Blue Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras >>with the 360 days per year option selected. The dates for both these tables >>have been taken from a leading astrology program. >> >>Compare the dates shown in the tables for the start and end of each dasa, >>bhukti or anthras. Notice the dates shown in the Red and Green tables are >>very close to each other and NEVER more than 2 days apart. The dates shown >>in the Red Table are the correct ones. The dates shown in the Green Table >>are acceptably close since they are never more than two days away from the >>correct dates shown in the Red Table. This is what Prof KSK meant when he >>said, " For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days >>are taken, as the difference is negligible " . >> >>One can certainly use the 360 days per year option to draw up a >>dasa/bhukti/anthras table but it MUST be laid out against a 360 days per >>year calendar as shown in the Green Table. But with the advent of computers >>the Green Table is no longer necessary. The dates shown in the Red Table >>are more accurate. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said, " Hence only >>Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be adopted. " >> >>Now compare the dates shown in the Blue Table against the dates shown in the >>Red Table. The difference in the dates progressively increases. Ketu dasa >>ACTUALLY ends on 26 Nov 2054, as shown in the Red Table but as per the Blue >>Table it is shown to end on 15 Apr 2053. The difference is one year, seven >>months and eleven days. This is a VERY large error and totally >>unacceptable. >> >>If one lays out the 360 days per year chart against a Real Time, 365.25 days >>per year, Gregorian Calendar, one will come up with the Blue Table, as >>shown. These dates are completely wrong. In the Vimshotdhari Dasa cycle >>each planet is allocated a certain number of years and the whole cycle is to >>take 120 years. The dates shown in the Blue Table do not meet these >>requirements. Yet most astrology programs have the option to generate such >>a table. I can't understand this anomaly. Can't computer programmers, who >>are also astrologers, understand the various factors involved here? With >>what authority and on what basis have they reduced the number of years >>allocated to each planet? >> >>Vaidun Vidyadhar >>1 / 94 Marius Street >>Tamworth, NSW 2340 >>Australia >>Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >>Mobile: 0414 870 083 >>Email: <vvidya vvidya >> >> >> >> >> >> , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " >><ranga@m...> wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, >>> I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw >>> your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has >>> argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In >>> particular, you will this towards the end of page 97: >>> " ... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days >>> alone is to be adopted. >>> For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 >>days >>> are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be >>> taken. " >>> >>> I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if >>you >>> wish. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rangarajan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/vnd.ms-excel name=365.25 vs 360 days per >>year.xls >> >> >> >><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matri >>mony/> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online >><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg2/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matr >>imony/> . >> >> >> >> >><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matri >>mony/> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online >><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg2/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matr >>imony/> . >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Thanks a lot Ron, for interesting discussion. I do not consider myself as an expert on English language. I just mentioned what a standard dictionary gives the definition. Good luck. Hasmukhrai J Mehta.rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,Well I must admit I have never in the West heard of someoneseeking advice as being referred to as a consultant. A quick check on the Web come up with the following quotefrom an article 'What's a Consultant' published in the NSPIjournal. This can be found athttp://home.att.net/~nickols/consult.htmQuote:'If you listen closely, sooner or later you will hear thisdefinition of a consultant:A consultant is someone who comes in, borrows your watch, tellsyou what time it is, keeps the watch, and charges you anexorbitant fee.'This incidentally shows that mostly we consider the person givingthe advice as the Consultant.Another Quote as a conclusion:'A consultant, then, is someone who helps others profit or learnfrom their own experience. A really good consultant also helpsclients see the value of their experience and so the fees arerarely seen as exorbitant.'Also regarding 'Consultee' the Chambers definition seems a littleout of place. The 'ee' on the end of a word normally denotesone who receives ie. employee is one who receives work. Amortgagee is one who receives or takes out a mortgage, addresseeis one who receives notice at his address, etc, etc.Now here is food for thought. In Roget's Thesaurus the word'Consultant' is shown as a substitute for the word 'Oracle' underthe definition 'Prediction'. How appropriate for anastrologer!!Ron GauntOn Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:01:23 -0800 (PST), you wrote:>Dear Ron,> >In the early stage when I was studying KP readers, I also was confused about the term "consultant". But, when I browsed through "Chambers 20th Century Dictionary", my doubts had vanished. What the dictionary says about the related terms, is as under:> >consult: to ask advice of; to look up for information or advice.>consultant: one who seeks advice or information; on who gives professional advice or > takes part in consultation>consultee: the person consulted.> >I hope this should clear any confusion about the use of term "consultant" in the KP literature.> >Good luck.> >Hasmukhrai J Mehta.>>rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:>>Dear Mr Rao,>>This mail does not canvas the point at issue, but speaks about>terminology. In your mail below you mention "so are the vast>majority of my consultants,very happy". >>I have noticed that there is frequent reference to clients as>'consultants' starting way back to the KP readers. In the West>consultants are accepted by the normal dictionary definition ie.>"one qualified to give professional advice or services". ie the>consultant is the astrologer not the client. The terminology>for a client is normally taken to be 'consultee'.>>I realize that 'consultant' is widely used in KP astrology, and I>don't intend being disrespectful. I am just pointing out that>it can be very confusing, particularly for Western astrologers>converting to KP.>>All the best.>>>Ron Gaunt>>>>On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:49:47 +1100, you wrote:>>>Dear Mr Rao,>> >>It is very commendable that you are able to achieve such a very high>>prediction rate WITHOUT using the Vimshotdhari dasa system. >> >>But, nevertheless, the Vimshotdhari dasa system still remains a very useful>>tool for the astrologer and most vedic astrologers make extensive use of it.>>Transit influences need to be also taken into account, as you have very>>rightly pointed out. In fact, as per some systems, transit influence is>>said to be more important and will tend to supercede dasa/bhukti influence.>>>> >>With best regards.>> >>Yours sincerely,>>>>Vaidun Vidyadhar >>1 / 94 Marius Street >>Tamworth, NSW 2340 >>Australia >>Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >>Mobile: 0414 870 083 >>Email: <vvidya vvidya >>>>>>>> >>>> _____ >>>>Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1] >>Sunday, 6 March 2005 6:23 PM>> >>RE: Re: Vimshottari Period>>>>>>Dear Vaidun,>> As for me,I personally use Mr.Raichur's software,and>>fine-tune,to find the exact period of fructification of the event,with the>>help of Ruling Planets,and the Transit of the relevant karaka house cusp>>s/lord over the XIth cusp...if it is promotion,the Xth sublord's transit>>over the XIth cusp,if the sublord of the XIth is a fast moving planet in an>>Arial sign then,the Moon's transit...,and so on...>> Also,therefore,for accuracy I prefer the Horary method>>ALWAYS...In fact I always advise consultants to send me a query along with a>>horary number along with their TOB,POB & DOB...as in my experience most>>birth times are not noted strictly as per K.P.,ie at the time of the "first>>cry" of the newborn...>> Thus far by following the above I have been able to>>achieve a success-rate of 19/20 correct predictions...a fairly high>>percentage,you'll agree...Frankly, I DO NOT AIM FOR 100% ACCURACY...I am>>happy,and so are the vast majority of my consultants,very happy with a 90% +>>rate of accuracy...! !>> I have tried to reply to your query to the best of my>>ability...and through my experience...I hope I have been able to satisfy>>you...>> With best wishes,>> lyrastro1>> GOOD LUCK !>>>>Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:>>>>Dear Mr Rao,>> >>Thank you for your email below. >> >>Let me put this way. I am now running Jupiter dasa. When my Saturn dasa>>starts, going by astrological indications, I can expect certain influences>>to start shaping my life. Now I need to know, WHEN does my Saturn dasa>>start? The Vimshotdhari dasa system is one of the corner stones in vedic>>astrology around which astrological predictions are made. This is one of>>the main differences between Vedic and Western astrology. So I need to know>>when my Saturn dasa will start. If you look at the dasa tables shown in the>>Excel files that I had earlier sent, the date of commencement of my Saturn>>dasa is shown. In the Red Table the date is shown as 26 Nov 2011 whereas>>in the Blue Table it is shown as 27 Nov 2010. The difference is one FULL>>YEAR. Which one is correct? If we are not able to get the correct start>>date of the MAIN dasa period itself, how can we go down to further sub and>>sub sub periods? Hairsplitting is when we are keen to go down to the>>fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh level. But in this case the onset of the>>very main dasa period ITSELF is in question. >> >>I agree with you, we don't predict ONLY by the dasa/bhukti periods. But,>>nevertheless, the Vimshotdhari dasa system still remains a very important>>and useful tool to the astrologer. >> >>With best regards.>>>>Vaidun Vidyadhar >>1 / 94 Marius Street >>Tamworth, NSW 2340 >>Australia >>Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >>Mobile: 0414 870 083 >>Email: <vvidya vvidya >>>>>>>> >>>> _____ >>>>Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1] >>Sunday, 6 March 2005 5:14 PM>> >>RE: Re: Vimshottari Period>>>>>>Dear Vaidun,>> Thank you for the comparisons...BUT,you have not addressed>>my question...>> " In the face of the availability of a variety of very successful>>methods available to us,in K.P.,itself,and especially the TRANSIT of the>>Moon/Sun/Ascendant wherever appropriate...or the s/l of the Karaka House,or>>the s/l of the XIth cusp over the Karaka house cusp...etc...despite all>>this...this "hairsplitting" on the length of the Vimshottari Year...is>>truly a futile exercise in hairsplitting...after so>>many days of debate on this subject...what have we really achieved ?">> Do we/can we predict ONLY by using the Vimshottari Dasa>>alone system...? Then why the hullabulloo ?>> Once again, I urge ALL, to READ Mr.Raichur's illuminating>>article in K.P. & Astrology..."The Craze for Accuracy"...I & II,in the 1997>> & 1998 issues of the K.P. & Astrology,respectively...>> With highest regards,>> Yours sincerely,>> lyrastro1>> GOOD LUCK !>> >>>>Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:>>>>Dear List Members,>> >>Reference Mr Rangarajan's email below, I would like to submit the following.>> >>Before the advent of computers, astrologers had to refer to Tables and>>manually draw up a dasa/bhukti/anthras table. For this, taking one year as>>being equal to 360 days was very convenient because all 12 months in the>>year (including Jan, Feb, Apr, Jun, Sep and Nov) are allocated 30 days each.>>Placed in the Green Table in the attached Excel file please find my own dasa>>chart drawn up using the "Astrological Tables for All, Ready Reckoner",>>published by Hariman Publications. For purposes of illustration, Moon dasa>>has been further expanded to include it's bhuktis and anthras. >> >>With the advent of computers, such laborious manual calculations are no>>longer necessary. Most computer programs can display the>>dasa/bhukti/anthras table almost instantaneously. Most computer programs>>also provide the option to select 365.25 days per year or 360 days per year.>>Placed in the Red Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras with the 365.25 days per>>year option selected. Placed in the Blue Table is the dasa/bhukti/anthras>>with the 360 days per year option selected. The dates for both these tables>>have been taken from a leading astrology program.>> >>Compare the dates shown in the tables for the start and end of each dasa,>>bhukti or anthras. Notice the dates shown in the Red and Green tables are>>very close to each other and NEVER more than 2 days apart. The dates shown>>in the Red Table are the correct ones. The dates shown in the Green Table>>are acceptably close since they are never more than two days away from the>>correct dates shown in the Red Table. This is what Prof KSK meant when he>>said, "For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days>>are taken, as the difference is negligible".>> >>One can certainly use the 360 days per year option to draw up a>>dasa/bhukti/anthras table but it MUST be laid out against a 360 days per>>year calendar as shown in the Green Table. But with the advent of computers>>the Green Table is no longer necessary. The dates shown in the Red Table>>are more accurate. This is what Prof KSK meant when he said, "Hence only>>Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days alone is to be adopted.">>>>Now compare the dates shown in the Blue Table against the dates shown in the>>Red Table. The difference in the dates progressively increases. Ketu dasa>>ACTUALLY ends on 26 Nov 2054, as shown in the Red Table but as per the Blue>>Table it is shown to end on 15 Apr 2053. The difference is one year, seven>>months and eleven days. This is a VERY large error and totally>>unacceptable. >> >>If one lays out the 360 days per year chart against a Real Time, 365.25 days>>per year, Gregorian Calendar, one will come up with the Blue Table, as>>shown. These dates are completely wrong. In the Vimshotdhari Dasa cycle>>each planet is allocated a certain number of years and the whole cycle is to>>take 120 years. The dates shown in the Blue Table do not meet these>>requirements. Yet most astrology programs have the option to generate such>>a table. I can't understand this anomaly. Can't computer programmers, who>>are also astrologers, understand the various factors involved here? With>>what authority and on what basis have they reduced the number of years>>allocated to each planet?>> >>Vaidun Vidyadhar >>1 / 94 Marius Street >>Tamworth, NSW 2340 >>Australia >>Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >>Mobile: 0414 870 083 >>Email: <vvidya vvidya >>>>>>>>>>>> , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" >><ranga@m...> wrote:>>> >>> Dear All,>>> I am sorry I am raising an old issue again. I would like to draw >>> your attention to pages 96 and 97 of KP Reader No. 1. Shri. KSK has >>> argued in favour of 365.25 days per year in these pages. In >>> particular, you will this towards the end of page 97: >>> "... Hence only Soura Manam, i.e., year made up of 356.25 days >>> alone is to be adopted.>>> For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 >>days >>> are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365.25 days must be >>> taken.">>> >>> I do not wish to rake up any controversy, but please comment, if >>you >>> wish.>>> >>> Regards,>>> Rangarajan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/vnd.ms-excel name=365.25 vs 360 days per>>year.xls>>>>>> >><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matri>>mony/> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online>><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg2/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matr>>imony/> . >>>>>>>> >><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matri>>mony/> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online>><http://in.rd./specials/mailtg2/*http://.shaadi.com/india-matr>>imony/> . >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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