Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Dear Raichur, You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : a]Planets conjoined. b]Rahu's star lord? c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & d]Lord of sign where they reside. Here needs some cosideration. Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in its periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, 2, & 9. The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results of planet acting as significators of Rahu. So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & d]. Not b] which comes into picture different way. Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. Inder , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Raman > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter signifies, Rahu will > signify > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will signify both houses > > This is my personal view > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the constellation > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of 12 being in > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu behave. Will it > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > Please clarify. > > > > Thanks > > Raman > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote: > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as agents of > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify whatever > > Jupiter > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the same house as > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me know whether > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses where that > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a significator of houses > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say Jupiter is a > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie Cancer, would Rahu > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Dear Inder, The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per K.P. Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... As far as what the rule states it is very clear...if Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord also... lyrastro1Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: Dear Raichur,You mentioned that Rahu is significator of :a]Planets conjoined.b]Rahu's star lord?c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & d]Lord of sign where they reside.Here needs some cosideration.Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in its periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of .Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, 2, & 9.The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results of planet acting as significators of Rahu.So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & d].Not b] which comes into picture different way.Please react to my above understanding of KP rules.Inder , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote:> Dear Raman> > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter signifies, Rahu will> signify> As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will signify both houses> > This is my personal view> > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur,> > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the constellation > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of 12 being in > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu behave. Will it > > signify 11 or 12.> > > > Please clarify.> > > > Thanks> > Raman > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote:> > > Dear Rongaunt> > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as agents of > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined> > > 2. Thier Star Lord> > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them> > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside> > > > > > This in order of importance.> > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify whatever > > Jupiter> > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the same house as> > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me know whether> > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses where that> > > > dispositor is also a significator.> > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a significator of houses> > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say Jupiter is a> > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie Cancer, would Rahu> > > > also be considered as significator for this house?> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Dear Inder, 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the node has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt planets are not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder brother of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, does not have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, " If any DBA lord in the star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by the nodes and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign lord occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, Jupiter is in Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and 7th , and deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore Jupiter will give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 and 1 houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes explained in KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very troublesome. " , i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to a question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP Reader III, which is the only place explaining those rules. This time I'll wait for further response of our seniors and need to seek the rationale from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK example (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not work) next time. 4) The issue of " TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S INFLUENCE TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS " has been put for research. " Many general rules which should not be strictly applied. Many modifications are to be included. " KP Reader III. Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Inder, > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per K.P. > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... > As far as what the rule states it is very clear...if Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord also... > lyrastro1 > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Raichur, > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > a]Planets conjoined. > b]Rahu's star lord? > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > Here needs some cosideration. > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in its > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give the > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is posted > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, 2, & 9. > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results of > planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & d]. > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > Inder > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > wrote: > > Dear Raman > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter signifies, > Rahu will > > signify > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will signify both > houses > > > > This is my personal view > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > constellation > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of 12 > being in > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu behave. > Will it > > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Raman > > > , anant raichur > <anant_1608> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as agents of > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify > whatever > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the same > house as > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me know > whether > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses where that > > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a significator of > houses > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say Jupiter is > a > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie Cancer, would > Rahu > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Dear Inder, For information, in the Guruji's demonstration example simultaneously shown in three KP Readers --- a. Reader III, 1984, Part One, p.137-144 b. Reader V, 1983, p. 137-144 c. Reader VI, 1978, p. 81-87 for Venus in Kethu star, it is said that Kethu has to predominantly indicates (conjunct) Saturn's result ; then only that of Mars. Best regards, tw , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the node > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: Nakshatra > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt planets are > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder brother > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, does not > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, " If any DBA lord in the > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by the nodes > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign lord > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, Jupiter is in > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and 7th , and > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore Jupiter will > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 and 1 > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes explained in > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > troublesome. " , i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to a > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP Reader III, > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time I'll wait > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the rationale > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK example > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not work) next > time. > > 4) The issue of " TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S INFLUENCE > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS " has been put for > research. " Many general rules which should not be strictly applied. > Many modifications are to be included. " KP Reader III. > > Best regards, > > tw > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per K.P. > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... > > As far as what the rule states it is very clear...if > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord also... > > lyrastro1 > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Raichur, > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > a]Planets conjoined. > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in its > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give the > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is posted > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, 2, > & 9. > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results > of > > planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & d]. > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > Inder > > > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote: > > > Dear Raman > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter signifies, > > Rahu will > > > signify > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will signify > both > > houses > > > > > > This is my personal view > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > > constellation > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of 12 > > being in > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu behave. > > Will it > > > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Raman > > > > , anant raichur > > <anant_1608> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as agents of > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify > > whatever > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the same > > house as > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me know > > whether > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses where that > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a significator of > > houses > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say Jupiter > is > > a > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie Cancer, > would > > Rahu > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Dear TW853, Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. He was genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules etc. I am trying to say: In Kp we are working at three levels. 1] Source planet. X 2]star planet Y & 3]sub planet Z X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star planet says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted that house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified [also fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu represents sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives results of Star planet. So this is a big difference. If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands of examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. Thanks. happy HOLI. Inder , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the node > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: Nakshatra > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt planets are > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder brother > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, does not > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, " If any DBA lord in the > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by the nodes > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign lord > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, Jupiter is in > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and 7th , and > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore Jupiter will > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 and 1 > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes explained in > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > troublesome. " , i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to a > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP Reader III, > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time I'll wait > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the rationale > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK example > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not work) next > time. > > 4) The issue of " TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S INFLUENCE > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS " has been put for > research. " Many general rules which should not be strictly applied. > Many modifications are to be included. " KP Reader III. > > Best regards, > > tw > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per K.P. > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... > > As far as what the rule states it is very clear...if > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord also... > > lyrastro1 > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Raichur, > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > a]Planets conjoined. > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in its > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give the > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is posted > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, 2, > & 9. > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results > of > > planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & d]. > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > Inder > > > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote: > > > Dear Raman > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter signifies, > > Rahu will > > > signify > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will signify > both > > houses > > > > > > This is my personal view > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > > constellation > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of 12 > > being in > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu behave. > > Will it > > > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Raman > > > > , anant raichur > > <anant_1608> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as agents of > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify > > whatever > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the same > > house as > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me know > > whether > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses where that > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a significator of > > houses > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say Jupiter > is > > a > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie Cancer, > would > > Rahu > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 --I would like to draw the attention of members to page 308, ASTROSECRETS & KRISHNAMURTI PADDATI-PART-1, BY M.P.SHANMUGAM 'All the planets from sun to saturn, in which star they are deposited, will predominately offer the results of the house that starlord occupies and then the houses owned by that starlord. But rahu & ketu offer results in a different and opposite way.There are other levels of strength built in rahu/ketu and strange are the ways, as they offer the results. 1.Any planet deposited in the star of rahu/ketu, it is rahu/ketu that will offer the results of that planet. 2.When found NO planet in the stars of rahu/ketu, the nodes will offer the results of the planets that are conjoined with them. 3.Any planet, that aspects rahu/ketu, the nodes will give results of the aspecting planets. 4.When no planet is aspecting rahu/ketu, when no planet is conjoined with Ra/KE, when no planet is in the stars of rahu/ketu THEN ONLY rahu/ketu offers the results of the constellation lord in whose constellation they are deposited.i.e where the constellation lord is and the houses by that constellation lors predominately. 5.of the nodes, ra/ke to offer results as explained above, it is rahu who has more strengthto offer the results. I would like the MEMBERS TO COMMENT ON THE ABOVE RULES regards shubarag In , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear TW853, > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. He was > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules etc. > I am trying to say: > In Kp we are working at three levels. > 1] Source planet. X > 2]star planet Y > & 3]sub planet Z > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star planet > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted that > house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified [also > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu represents > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives results of > Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands of > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > Thanks. happy HOLI. > Inder > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the node > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: Nakshatra > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt planets > are > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder > brother > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, does not > > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, " If any DBA lord in the > > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by the > nodes > > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign lord > > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, Jupiter is > in > > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and 7th , and > > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore Jupiter will > > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 and 1 > > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes explained > in > > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > > troublesome. " , i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to a > > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP Reader > III, > > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time I'll wait > > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the rationale > > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK example > > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not work) next > > time. > > > > 4) The issue of " TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S INFLUENCE > > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS " has been put for > > research. " Many general rules which should not be strictly applied. > > Many modifications are to be included. " KP Reader III. > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1> > > wrote: > > > Dear Inder, > > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per K.P. > > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in > > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... > > > As far as what the rule states it is very > clear...if > > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord also... > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in its > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give > the > > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > posted > > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, 2, > > & 9. > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results > > of > > > planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > d]. > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > <anant_1608> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Raman > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter signifies, > > > Rahu will > > > > signify > > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will signify > > both > > > houses > > > > > > > > This is my personal view > > > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > > > constellation > > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of 12 > > > being in > > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu behave. > > > Will it > > > > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Raman > > > > > , anant raichur > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as agents > of > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify > > > whatever > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the same > > > house as > > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me know > > > whether > > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses where that > > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a significator of > > > houses > > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say Jupiter > > is > > > a > > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie Cancer, > > would > > > Rahu > > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Dear Inder, >>>Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. He >>>was genius. Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. 1. Could you be kind enough to mention some of " Many changes keep on occuring on these rules " for the benefits of KP learners like me, of course with articular references for our study. Because nothing hasn't been found in this regards, when I've earlier gone through all of your KP " reading many many charts " in · Jyotish (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies group with the hope to learn whatever available for KP. >>>However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules etc 2. Issue = question that raises for discussion, the point being discussed (Oxford Advanced learners's Dictionary of Current English by A. S. Hornby ) >> Dear Raichur, > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > a]Planets conjoined. > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in its > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, 2,> & 9. > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & d]. > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > Inder >>I am trying to say: >>In Kp we are working at three levels. >>1] Source planet. X >>2]star planet Y >> & 3]sub planet Z >>X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star planet >>says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted that >>house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified [also >>fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. 3. " Hence Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the result and the SUB is a deciding factor whether the matter is favourable or not " . (KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 129; Reader V, 1983, p 129) " But the `deciding' factor, good or bad, success or failure is shown by the sub occupied by the significator. " (Reader III, p 138; Reader V, p 138; Reader VI, p 81) >>Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a >>planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu represents >>sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives results >>of Star planet. So this is a big difference. >>If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands of >>examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be >>interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. 4. This " big difference " has been very clearly differentiated by sample language of " Rahu and Kethu as planet " for your first case and " Rahu and Kethu as starlord " for your second case in tems of Nakshatra Chintamani and " If the node itself is DBA lord " for your first case and " If any DBA lord in the star of nodes " for your second case in my elder brother's letter. 5. Sincec this a basic factual statement that there is a difference between the results of Rahu and Kethu as a planet and as a sublord, there is no contradiction or agreement or controversy without requiring any example. If you can, any example, preferably from KSK's, is highly appreciated for better understanding of what you're saying " any contradiction example. " >>2. But why western aspects (not Hindu)? Hindu aspects have been used >>in examples of KP Readers III, IV, V & VI even though a study of >>western aspects is encouraged by Guruji KSK. (msg #3203) 6. In response to the above question to you, could you kindly provide any single KSK example of applying western aspects from thousands as mentioned by you. >>>Everything I learnt is from KP Readers and my experience mostly on >>>Internet reading many many charts. 7. With your kind permission, could I repost some of your KP " reading many many charts " (in · Jyotish (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies group) here in our forum for other KP learners like me to gain practical knowledge on the basis of real charts ?. Or Reposting of your own selection of the most appropraiate readings is highly appreciated for the benefit of KP learners because such readings of yours are not yet available here up to now. >>>The poimts which I am saying about Rahu/Ketu significators are not >>>being understood. In Kp lenghty explainations makes things >>>difficult to comprehend many times. 8. What you're saying first case and second case is well understood as mentioned above and nothing new or controversial since it is just a factual statement that there is a difference between the results of Rahu as a planet and Rahu as a sublord. 9. Regarding another point what you're saying, for Rahu as a sublord (in simple language) >>for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & >>d]. Not b] which comes into picture different way. " I've already mentioned that Bhatt and my elder KP brother do not inclued the result of b/ for the case " Rahu as a sublord " and any KSK example has not yet been found for the inclusion of the b/ result in such a case, i.e. what i've mentioned is nothing contrary with your statement. 10. However contrary to your saying of " KP lengthy expalnation " , even though we love to read KSK's writing as much as possible,the " explanation " about Rahu/Kethu signification is only quarter page of p 123 and about half page of p 124 in KP Reader III; the mentioned a/ to d/ four rules are repeated in KP Reader VI, 1978, pp 187, 212, 274 & 276 in full and p 207 & p 232 in part but just statement " without any explanation " ; in Reader II, p 316 statement in part and a paragraph of background reference from Uthrakalamrita, p 315. Best regards and HOLI to you and all, tw , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear TW853, > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. He was > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules etc. > I am trying to say: > In Kp we are working at three levels. > 1] Source planet. X > 2]star planet Y > & 3]sub planet Z > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star planet > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted that > house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified [also > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu represents > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives results of > Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands of > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > Thanks. happy HOLI. > Inder > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the node > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: Nakshatra > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt planets > are > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder > brother > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, does not > > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, " If any DBA lord in the > > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by the > nodes > > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign lord > > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, Jupiter is > in > > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and 7th , and > > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore Jupiter will > > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 and 1 > > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes explained > in > > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > > troublesome. " , i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to a > > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP Reader > III, > > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time I'll wait > > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the rationale > > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK example > > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not work) next > > time. > > > > 4) The issue of " TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S INFLUENCE > > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS " has been put for > > research. " Many general rules which should not be strictly applied. > > Many modifications are to be included. " KP Reader III. > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1> > > wrote: > > > Dear Inder, > > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per K.P. > > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in > > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... > > > As far as what the rule states it is very > clear...if > > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord also... > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in its > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give > the > > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > posted > > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, 2, > > & 9. > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results > > of > > > planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > d]. > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > <anant_1608> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Raman > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter signifies, > > > Rahu will > > > > signify > > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will signify > > both > > > houses > > > > > > > > This is my personal view > > > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > > > constellation > > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of 12 > > > being in > > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu behave. > > > Will it > > > > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Raman > > > > > , anant raichur > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as agents > of > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify > > > whatever > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the same > > > house as > > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me know > > > whether > > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses where that > > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a significator of > > > houses > > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say Jupiter > > is > > > a > > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie Cancer, > > would > > > Rahu > > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Dear Shubarag, These writings of Sh Shanmugam are interesting. Guruji,Sh KSK did not write/give these rules in this way--apposite direction results of rahu/ketu. I will also see charts with me to see if it comes true, this way.This complicates the analysis in a big way. But then Rahu/Ketu are really baffling and unpredictable. Thanks for information. Inder , " shubarag " <shubarag> wrote: > > > --I would like to draw the attention of members to page 308, > ASTROSECRETS & KRISHNAMURTI PADDATI-PART-1, BY M.P.SHANMUGAM > > 'All the planets from sun to saturn, in which star they are > deposited, will predominately offer the results of the house that > starlord occupies and then the houses owned by that starlord. > > But rahu & ketu offer results in a different and opposite way.There > are other levels of strength built in rahu/ketu and strange are the > ways, as they offer the results. > > 1.Any planet deposited in the star of rahu/ketu, it is rahu/ketu that > will offer the results of that planet. > > 2.When found NO planet in the stars of rahu/ketu, the nodes will > offer the results of the planets that are conjoined with them. > > 3.Any planet, that aspects rahu/ketu, the nodes will give results of > the aspecting planets. > > 4.When no planet is aspecting rahu/ketu, when no planet is conjoined > with Ra/KE, when no planet is in the stars of rahu/ketu THEN ONLY > rahu/ketu offers the results of the constellation lord in whose > constellation they are deposited.i.e where the constellation lord is > and the houses by that constellation lors predominately. > > 5.of the nodes, ra/ke to offer results as explained above, it is rahu > who has more strengthto offer the results. > > I would like the MEMBERS TO COMMENT ON THE ABOVE RULES > > regards > shubarag > In , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > Dear TW853, > > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. He > was > > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules etc. > > I am trying to say: > > In Kp we are working at three levels. > > 1] Source planet. X > > 2]star planet Y > > & 3]sub planet Z > > > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star planet > > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted that > > house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > [also > > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu represents > > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives results > of > > Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands of > > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > Thanks. happy HOLI. > > Inder > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the node > > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: > Nakshatra > > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt planets > > are > > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder > > brother > > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, does > not > > > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, " If any DBA lord in > the > > > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by the > > nodes > > > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign lord > > > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, Jupiter > is > > in > > > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and 7th , > and > > > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore Jupiter > will > > > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 and > 1 > > > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes > explained > > in > > > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > > > troublesome. " , i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > > > > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to a > > > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP Reader > > III, > > > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time I'll > wait > > > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the > rationale > > > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK example > > > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not work) > next > > > time. > > > > > > 4) The issue of " TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S INFLUENCE > > > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS " has been put for > > > research. " Many general rules which should not be strictly > applied. > > > Many modifications are to be included. " KP Reader III. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > <lyrastro1> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per K.P. > > > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in > > > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... > > > > As far as what the rule states it is very > > clear...if > > > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord > also... > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in > its > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give > > the > > > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > posted > > > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, > 2, > > > & 9. > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > results > > > of > > > > planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > d]. > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > <anant_1608> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Raman > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter > signifies, > > > > Rahu will > > > > > signify > > > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will signify > > > both > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > This is my personal view > > > > > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > > > > constellation > > > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of 12 > > > > being in > > > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu > behave. > > > > Will it > > > > > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as agents > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify > > > > whatever > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the same > > > > house as > > > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me know > > > > whether > > > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses where > that > > > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a significator > of > > > > houses > > > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say > Jupiter > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie Cancer, > > > would > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Dear tw853, Your mail is very big to give appropriate reply. If we see KP readers, Guruji in earlier wrtings said take Moon or lagna which ever is more strong. Later, he gave rulings for lagana only. In earlier writings star was given much importance which shifted more and more for sub. At one point, he also gave ruling that if in any planet's star no planet is posted then planets posted in its sign can be important. [this is somewhere in Reader on marriage & children]. I am a humble student of KP and trying to learn through internet only as I am not a practicing astrologer.I did not study traditional Vedic astrology.I am also not boasting anything.Only trying to learn and discuss. Rahu/ketu are always for confusion. Good wishes Inder , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > >>>Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. He > >>>was genius. Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > > 1. Could you be kind enough to mention some of " Many changes keep > on occuring on these rules " for the benefits of KP learners like me, > of course with articular references for our study. Because nothing > hasn't been found in this regards, when I've earlier gone through all > of your KP " reading many many charts " in · Jyotish > (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies group with the hope to learn whatever > available for KP. > > > >>>However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules etc > > > 2. Issue = question that raises for discussion, the point being > discussed (Oxford Advanced learners's Dictionary of Current English > by A. S. Hornby ) > > >> Dear Raichur, > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in its > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, > 2,> & 9. > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > d]. > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > Inder > > >>I am trying to say: > >>In Kp we are working at three levels. > >>1] Source planet. X > >>2]star planet Y > >> & 3]sub planet Z > > >>X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star planet > >>says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted that > >>house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified [also > >>fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > 3. " Hence Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of > the result and the SUB is a deciding factor whether the matter is > favourable or not " . (KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 129; Reader V, > 1983, p 129) > > " But the `deciding' factor, good or bad, success or failure is shown > by the sub occupied by the significator. " (Reader III, p 138; Reader > V, p 138; Reader VI, p 81) > > > > >>Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > >>planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu represents > >>sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives results > >>of Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > >>If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands of > >>examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > >>interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > > 4. This " big difference " has been very clearly differentiated by > sample language of " Rahu and Kethu as planet " for your first case > and " Rahu and Kethu as starlord " for your second case in tems of > Nakshatra Chintamani and " If the node itself is DBA lord " for your > first case and " If any DBA lord in the star of nodes " for your second > case in my elder brother's letter. > > 5. Sincec this a basic factual statement that there is a difference > between the results of Rahu and Kethu as a planet and as a sublord, > there is no contradiction or agreement or controversy without > requiring any example. If you can, any example, preferably from > KSK's, is highly appreciated for better understanding of what you're > saying " any contradiction example. " > > >>2. But why western aspects (not Hindu)? Hindu aspects have been used > >>in examples of KP Readers III, IV, V & VI even though a study of > >>western aspects is encouraged by Guruji KSK. (msg #3203) > > 6. In response to the above question to you, could you kindly > provide any single KSK example of applying western aspects from > thousands as mentioned by you. > > >>>Everything I learnt is from KP Readers and my experience mostly on > >>>Internet reading many many charts. > > > 7. With your kind permission, could I repost some of your > KP " reading many many charts " (in · Jyotish (Vedic > Astrology) and Remedies group) here in our forum for other KP > learners like me to gain practical knowledge on the basis of real > charts ?. Or Reposting of your own selection of the most > appropraiate readings is highly appreciated for the benefit of KP > learners because such readings of yours are not yet available here up > to now. > > > > >>>The poimts which I am saying about Rahu/Ketu significators are not > >>>being understood. In Kp lenghty explainations makes things > >>>difficult to comprehend many times. > > 8. What you're saying first case and second case is well understood > as mentioned above and nothing new or controversial since it is just > a factual statement that there is a difference between the results of > Rahu as a planet and Rahu as a sublord. > > 9. Regarding another point what you're saying, for Rahu as a sublord > (in simple language) > > >>for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > >>d]. Not b] which comes into picture different way. " > > I've already mentioned that Bhatt and my elder KP brother do not > inclued the result of b/ for the case " Rahu as a sublord " and any KSK > example has not yet been found for the inclusion of the b/ result in > such a case, i.e. what i've mentioned is nothing contrary with your > statement. > > 10. However contrary to your saying of " KP lengthy expalnation " , > even though we love to read KSK's writing as much as > possible,the " explanation " about Rahu/Kethu signification is only > quarter page of p 123 and about half page of p 124 in KP Reader III; > the mentioned a/ to d/ four rules are repeated in KP Reader VI, 1978, > pp 187, 212, 274 & 276 in full and p 207 & p 232 in part but just > statement " without any explanation " ; in Reader II, p 316 statement in > part and a paragraph of background reference from Uthrakalamrita, p > 315. > > > Best regards and HOLI to you and all, > > tw > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > wrote: > > > > Dear TW853, > > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. He > was > > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules etc. > > I am trying to say: > > In Kp we are working at three levels. > > 1] Source planet. X > > 2]star planet Y > > & 3]sub planet Z > > > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star planet > > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted that > > house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > [also > > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu represents > > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives results > of > > Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands of > > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > Thanks. happy HOLI. > > Inder > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the node > > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: > Nakshatra > > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt planets > > are > > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder > > brother > > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, does > not > > > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, " If any DBA lord in > the > > > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by the > > nodes > > > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign lord > > > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, Jupiter > is > > in > > > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and 7th , > and > > > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore Jupiter > will > > > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 and > 1 > > > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes > explained > > in > > > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > > > troublesome. " , i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > > > > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to a > > > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP Reader > > III, > > > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time I'll > wait > > > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the > rationale > > > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK example > > > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not work) > next > > > time. > > > > > > 4) The issue of " TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S INFLUENCE > > > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS " has been put for > > > research. " Many general rules which should not be strictly > applied. > > > Many modifications are to be included. " KP Reader III. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > <lyrastro1> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per K.P. > > > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in > > > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... > > > > As far as what the rule states it is very > > clear...if > > > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord > also... > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in > its > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give > > the > > > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > posted > > > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, > 2, > > > & 9. > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > results > > > of > > > > planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > d]. > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > <anant_1608> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Raman > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter > signifies, > > > > Rahu will > > > > > signify > > > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will signify > > > both > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > This is my personal view > > > > > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > > > > constellation > > > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of 12 > > > > being in > > > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu > behave. > > > > Will it > > > > > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as agents > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify > > > > whatever > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the same > > > > house as > > > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me know > > > > whether > > > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses where > that > > > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a significator > of > > > > houses > > > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say > Jupiter > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie Cancer, > > > would > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Dear Shubarag, 1. You've mentioned a good reference, which has been quoted since Msg #1050 as follows. >(ii) V. N. Krishna Rao says, " regarding Rahu's aspects, it is >wrong to consider Rahu as aspecting the 7H. The 7H from Rahu is >itself Kethu with qualities distinctly of its own " . While Rahu >partakes of the qualities of Saturn, Kethu is considered to embody >the qualities of Mars. It is my experience that the trinal aspects of >Rahu are beneficial while the square aspects are particularly >harmful.---- in his article --- " Place of Rahu in Prediction " ** It is noted that this conflicts with 'Astrosecrets & Krishnamurti Padhati' Part 1 fourth edition April 2003. Here it states " when a planet is conjoined with Kethu, that planet is under the aspect of Rahu. For this reason Kethu cannot act for the conjoined planet " . The implication in the author's prior explanation of Rahu and Kethu, is that Rahu is dominant hence " Ketu will not subject itself to several level matters, like that of Rahu " . ** A further question stemming from this book is results from Rahu and Ketu. The primary result is shown on page 308 to be: " 1. Any planet deposited in the star of Rahu/Keth " . 2. The following is a factual statement which can be noticed in KP Reader. > > 1.Any planet deposited in the star of rahu/ketu, it is rahu/ketu > >that will offer the results of that planet. 3. Without the condition of--- " When found NO planet in the stars of rahu/ketu, " ---the following rules are consistent with those mentioned in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 123 and the original source from Uthrakalamrita in Reader II, 1983, p 315. > > 2.When found NO planet in the stars of rahu/ketu, the nodes will > > offer the results of the planets that are conjoined with them. > > > > 3.Any planet, that aspects rahu/ketu, the nodes will give results > of > > the aspecting planets. > > > > 4.When no planet is aspecting rahu/ketu, when no planet is > conjoined > > with Ra/KE, when no planet is in the stars of rahu/ketu THEN ONLY > > rahu/ketu offers the results of the constellation lord in whose > > constellation they are deposited.i.e where the constellation lord > is > > and the houses by that constellation lors predominately. But pl note that " lastly the results of the sign (occupied by Rahu/Kethu) " is missing. 4. The following and follow-up writings of downgrading Kethu's role with compared to Rahu is not consistent with " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be cancelled by Kethu's malefic ones and vice versa--- Each will operate seperately in their respective periods. KP Reader II, p 320 " > > 5.of the nodes, ra/ke to offer results as explained above, it is > rahu > > who has more strengthto offer the results. > > Best regards, tw , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Shubarag, > These writings of Sh Shanmugam are interesting. Guruji,Sh KSK did > not write/give these rules in this way--apposite direction results > of rahu/ketu. I will also see charts with me to see if it comes > true, this way.This complicates the analysis in a big way. But then > Rahu/Ketu are really baffling and unpredictable. > Thanks for information. > Inder > > > , " shubarag " <shubarag> wrote: > > > > > > --I would like to draw the attention of members to page 308, > > ASTROSECRETS & KRISHNAMURTI PADDATI-PART-1, BY M.P.SHANMUGAM > > > > 'All the planets from sun to saturn, in which star they are > > deposited, will predominately offer the results of the house that > > starlord occupies and then the houses owned by that starlord. > > > > But rahu & ketu offer results in a different and opposite way.There > > are other levels of strength built in rahu/ketu and strange are > the > > ways, as they offer the results. > > > > 1.Any planet deposited in the star of rahu/ketu, it is rahu/ketu > that > > will offer the results of that planet. > > > > 2.When found NO planet in the stars of rahu/ketu, the nodes will > > offer the results of the planets that are conjoined with them. > > > > 3.Any planet, that aspects rahu/ketu, the nodes will give results > of > > the aspecting planets. > > > > 4.When no planet is aspecting rahu/ketu, when no planet is > conjoined > > with Ra/KE, when no planet is in the stars of rahu/ketu THEN ONLY > > rahu/ketu offers the results of the constellation lord in whose > > constellation they are deposited.i.e where the constellation lord > is > > and the houses by that constellation lors predominately. > > > > 5.of the nodes, ra/ke to offer results as explained above, it is > rahu > > who has more strengthto offer the results. > > > > I would like the MEMBERS TO COMMENT ON THE ABOVE RULES > > > > regards > > shubarag > > In , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear TW853, > > > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. He > > was > > > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > etc. > > > I am trying to say: > > > In Kp we are working at three levels. > > > 1] Source planet. X > > > 2]star planet Y > > > & 3]sub planet Z > > > > > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star > planet > > > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted > that > > > house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > > [also > > > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > > > > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > > > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu > represents > > > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > results > > of > > > Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > > > > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands > of > > > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > > Thanks. happy HOLI. > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > > > > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > > > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the > node > > > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: > > Nakshatra > > > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > > > > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt > planets > > > are > > > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder > > > brother > > > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, does > > not > > > > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, " If any DBA lord in > > the > > > > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by > the > > > nodes > > > > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign > lord > > > > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, > Jupiter > > is > > > in > > > > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and > 7th , > > and > > > > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore Jupiter > > will > > > > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 > and > > 1 > > > > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes > > explained > > > in > > > > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > > > > troublesome. " , i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > > > > > > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to a > > > > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP > Reader > > > III, > > > > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time I'll > > wait > > > > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the > > rationale > > > > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK > example > > > > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not work) > > next > > > > time. > > > > > > > > 4) The issue of " TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S INFLUENCE > > > > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS " has been put > for > > > > research. " Many general rules which should not be strictly > > applied. > > > > Many modifications are to be included. " KP Reader III. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > > <lyrastro1> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per K.P. > > > > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in > > > > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... > > > > > As far as what the rule states it is very > > > clear...if > > > > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord > > also... > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P > in > > its > > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will > give > > > the > > > > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > > posted > > > > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > 10th, > > 2, > > > > & 9. > > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > results > > > > of > > > > > planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], > c], & > > > d]. > > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter > > signifies, > > > > > Rahu will > > > > > > signify > > > > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will > signify > > > > both > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my personal view > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > > > > > constellation > > > > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of > 12 > > > > > being in > > > > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu > > behave. > > > > > Will it > > > > > > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as > agents > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the > same > > > > > house as > > > > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me > know > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses > where > > that > > > > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a > significator > > of > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say > > Jupiter > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie > Cancer, > > > > would > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Dear Tin Win Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have ASPECTS, not even the 7th ASPECT. Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which aspect HIM. If 7th aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of Ketu, when Rahu is not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is possible for BOTH Rahu and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is conjunct with one of them and aspetcs the other. Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and examples, to get a rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as per KP. Let us not mix up the Traditional views in this. --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > Dear Shubarag, > > 1. You've mentioned a good reference, which has been quoted since > Msg #1050 as follows. > > >(ii) V. N. Krishna Rao says, " regarding Rahu's aspects, it is > >wrong to consider Rahu as aspecting the 7H. The 7H from Rahu is > >itself Kethu with qualities distinctly of its own " . While Rahu > >partakes of the qualities of Saturn, Kethu is considered to embody > >the qualities of Mars. It is my experience that the trinal aspects of > >Rahu are beneficial while the square aspects are particularly > >harmful.---- in his article --- " Place of Rahu in Prediction " > > ** It is noted that this conflicts with 'Astrosecrets & > Krishnamurti Padhati' Part 1 fourth edition April 2003. > > Here it states " when a planet is conjoined with Kethu, that > planet is under the aspect of Rahu. For this reason Kethu > cannot act for the conjoined planet " . > > The implication in the author's prior explanation of Rahu and > Kethu, is that Rahu is dominant hence " Ketu will not subject > itself to several level matters, like that of Rahu " . ** > > A further question stemming from this book is results from > Rahu and Ketu. The primary result is shown on page 308 > to be: > > " 1. Any planet deposited in the star of Rahu/Keth " . > > > > > 2. The following is a factual statement which can be noticed in KP > Reader. > > > > 1.Any planet deposited in the star of rahu/ketu, it is rahu/ketu > > >that will offer the results of that planet. > > > 3. Without the condition of--- " When found NO planet in the stars of > rahu/ketu, " ---the following rules are consistent with those mentioned > in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 123 and the original source from > Uthrakalamrita in Reader II, 1983, p 315. > > > > > 2.When found NO planet in the stars of rahu/ketu, the nodes will > > > offer the results of the planets that are conjoined with them. > > > > > > 3.Any planet, that aspects rahu/ketu, the nodes will give results > > of > > > the aspecting planets. > > > > > > 4.When no planet is aspecting rahu/ketu, when no planet is > > conjoined > > > with Ra/KE, when no planet is in the stars of rahu/ketu THEN ONLY > > > rahu/ketu offers the results of the constellation lord in whose > > > constellation they are deposited.i.e where the constellation lord > > is > > > and the houses by that constellation lors predominately. > > But pl note that " lastly the results of the sign (occupied by > Rahu/Kethu) " is missing. > > > 4. The following and follow-up writings of downgrading Kethu's role > with compared to Rahu is not consistent with " Rahu's beneficial > result cannot be cancelled by Kethu's malefic ones and vice versa--- > Each will operate seperately in their respective periods. KP Reader > II, p 320 " > > > > 5.of the nodes, ra/ke to offer results as explained above, it is > > rahu > > > who has more strengthto offer the results. > > > > > Best regards, > > tw > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shubarag, > > These writings of Sh Shanmugam are interesting. Guruji,Sh KSK did > > not write/give these rules in this way--apposite direction results > > of rahu/ketu. I will also see charts with me to see if it comes > > true, this way.This complicates the analysis in a big way. But then > > Rahu/Ketu are really baffling and unpredictable. > > Thanks for information. > > Inder > > > > > > , " shubarag " <shubarag> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --I would like to draw the attention of members to page 308, > > > ASTROSECRETS & KRISHNAMURTI PADDATI-PART-1, BY M.P.SHANMUGAM > > > > > > 'All the planets from sun to saturn, in which star they are > > > deposited, will predominately offer the results of the house that > > > starlord occupies and then the houses owned by that starlord. > > > > > > But rahu & ketu offer results in a different and opposite > way.There > > > are other levels of strength built in rahu/ketu and strange are > > the > > > ways, as they offer the results. > > > > > > 1.Any planet deposited in the star of rahu/ketu, it is rahu/ketu > > that > > > will offer the results of that planet. > > > > > > 2.When found NO planet in the stars of rahu/ketu, the nodes will > > > offer the results of the planets that are conjoined with them. > > > > > > 3.Any planet, that aspects rahu/ketu, the nodes will give results > > of > > > the aspecting planets. > > > > > > 4.When no planet is aspecting rahu/ketu, when no planet is > > conjoined > > > with Ra/KE, when no planet is in the stars of rahu/ketu THEN ONLY > > > rahu/ketu offers the results of the constellation lord in whose > > > constellation they are deposited.i.e where the constellation lord > > is > > > and the houses by that constellation lors predominately. > > > > > > 5.of the nodes, ra/ke to offer results as explained above, it is > > rahu > > > who has more strengthto offer the results. > > > > > > I would like the MEMBERS TO COMMENT ON THE ABOVE RULES > > > > > > regards > > > shubarag > > > In , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear TW853, > > > > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. > He > > > was > > > > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > > > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > > etc. > > > > I am trying to say: > > > > In Kp we are working at three levels. > > > > 1] Source planet. X > > > > 2]star planet Y > > > > & 3]sub planet Z > > > > > > > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star > > planet > > > > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted > > that > > > > house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > > > [also > > > > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > > > > > > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > > > > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu > > represents > > > > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > > results > > > of > > > > Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > > > > > > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands > > of > > > > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > > > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > > > Thanks. happy HOLI. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > > > > > > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > > > > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the > > node > > > > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: > > > Nakshatra > > > > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > > > > > > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt > > planets > > > > are > > > > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder > > > > brother > > > > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, > does > > > not > === message truncated === --------- A.R.Raichur bombay anant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY tel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Dear Anant Raichur, 1. Thank you for your comments. Quote--- Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have ASPECTS, not even the 7th ASPECT. Unquote 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do not have physical body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's 7th, 9th and 12th aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, which generally coincides with--- " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and 12 fully, 2 and 10 by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara Kalamrita Kalidasa by Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under " Notes " (Message #3246) Quote--- Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which aspect HIM. If 7th aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of Ketu, when Rahu is not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is possible for BOTH Rahu and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is conjunct with one of them and aspetcs the other. Unquote 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the following Guruji KSK's writings in his original KP Readers. 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate the results of the planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is in conjunction with them they bestow the results of the planets aspecting them. If Rahu or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected by any planet, it offers the results of the lord of the constellation in which it is deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- KP Reader III, 1984, p 123-124, which generally coincides with the following quotation by KSK, except the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of the lord of the constellation in which it is deposited " . " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the planets to which they are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any planet, then they give the results of the planet which aspects them. Only when they are neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any planet, they represent the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI Sloka 14 onwards) " - -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be cancelled by Kethu's malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate SEPERATELY in their respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 Quote--- Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and examples, to get a rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as per KP. Unquote 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature of six KP Readers, Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current KP Annuals since 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of Rahu and Kethu have been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal Krishna Singh Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP Year Book, 1999, p 26, and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th and 12th aspects in KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 of KP Reader III, 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are the ONLY places where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of Rahu and Kethu; except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight difference order of importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in full, i.e. all four rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978), and partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in KP Reader VI, p 207 & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in Reader V, p 155 (Eition 1983) . 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his crowing that the discovery of the sublord has crowned him with success) simultaneously shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, pp 139-144 and KP Reader VI, pp 83-87--- 6.a/ For Kethu as a " Sublord " , i.e. Moon, Venus are in Kethu star, Kethu's rules of conjunction and lord of the sign occupied by Kethu are taken at the same time, which are a little different from B. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani, p 19, not mentioning the conjunction rule, and K. Subramanium's suggestion of taking the lord of the sign rule only when Kethu is not conjoined or aspected by any planet. 6.b/ Aspect of Jupiter to Kethu and the Rahu's role as mentioned in the quotation for the above para 2, are silent. 6.c/ Application of Sublord rule of Rahu and Kethu as a " Sublord " has not been found not only in the above example but also in the whole KP literature as far as my reading goes. Quote--- Let us not mix up the Traditional views in this. Unquote 7. It's very difficult, Sir, because the Traditional views are included in KP Readers, e.g. as mentioned in the above para 3.a. Thanks and highest regards, Tin Win , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Tin Win > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have ASPECTS, not even the 7th ASPECT. > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which aspect HIM. If 7th aspect is > > conceded, then He has to act as Agent of Ketu, when Rahu is not conjoined with > > Rahu. On this basis it is possible for BOTH Rahu and Ketu to act as agents of > > one planet, which is conjunct with one of them and aspetcs the other. > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and examples, to get a rational > > way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as per KP. Let us not mix up the > Traditional views in this. > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Shubarag, > > > > 1. You've mentioned a good reference, which has been quoted since > > Msg #1050 as follows. > > > > >(ii) V. N. Krishna Rao says, " regarding Rahu's aspects, it is > > >wrong to consider Rahu as aspecting the 7H. The 7H from Rahu is > > >itself Kethu with qualities distinctly of its own " . While Rahu > > >partakes of the qualities of Saturn, Kethu is considered to embody > > >the qualities of Mars. It is my experience that the trinal aspects of > > >Rahu are beneficial while the square aspects are particularly > > >harmful.---- in his article --- " Place of Rahu in Prediction " > > > > ** It is noted that this conflicts with 'Astrosecrets & > > Krishnamurti Padhati' Part 1 fourth edition April 2003. > > > > Here it states " when a planet is conjoined with Kethu, that > > planet is under the aspect of Rahu. For this reason Kethu > > cannot act for the conjoined planet " . > > > > The implication in the author's prior explanation of Rahu and > > Kethu, is that Rahu is dominant hence " Ketu will not subject > > itself to several level matters, like that of Rahu " . ** > > > > A further question stemming from this book is results from > > Rahu and Ketu. The primary result is shown on page 308 > > to be: > > > > " 1. Any planet deposited in the star of Rahu/Keth " . > > > > > > > > > > 2. The following is a factual statement which can be noticed in KP > > Reader. > > > > > > 1.Any planet deposited in the star of rahu/ketu, it is rahu/ketu > > > >that will offer the results of that planet. > > > > > > 3. Without the condition of--- " When found NO planet in the stars of > > rahu/ketu, " ---the following rules are consistent with those mentioned > > in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 123 and the original source from > > Uthrakalamrita in Reader II, 1983, p 315. > > > > > > > > 2.When found NO planet in the stars of rahu/ketu, the nodes will > > > > offer the results of the planets that are conjoined with them. > > > > > > > > 3.Any planet, that aspects rahu/ketu, the nodes will give results > > > of > > > > the aspecting planets. > > > > > > > > 4.When no planet is aspecting rahu/ketu, when no planet is > > > conjoined > > > > with Ra/KE, when no planet is in the stars of rahu/ketu THEN ONLY > > > > rahu/ketu offers the results of the constellation lord in whose > > > > constellation they are deposited.i.e where the constellation lord > > > is > > > > and the houses by that constellation lors predominately. > > > > But pl note that " lastly the results of the sign (occupied by > > Rahu/Kethu) " is missing. > > > > > > 4. The following and follow-up writings of downgrading Kethu's role > > with compared to Rahu is not consistent with " Rahu's beneficial > > result cannot be cancelled by Kethu's malefic ones and vice versa- -- > > Each will operate seperately in their respective periods. KP Reader > > II, p 320 " > > > > > > 5.of the nodes, ra/ke to offer results as explained above, it is > > > rahu > > > > who has more strengthto offer the results. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shubarag, > > > These writings of Sh Shanmugam are interesting. Guruji,Sh KSK did > > > not write/give these rules in this way--apposite direction results > > > of rahu/ketu. I will also see charts with me to see if it comes > > > true, this way.This complicates the analysis in a big way. But then > > > Rahu/Ketu are really baffling and unpredictable. > > > Thanks for information. > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > , " shubarag " <shubarag> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --I would like to draw the attention of members to page 308, > > > > ASTROSECRETS & KRISHNAMURTI PADDATI-PART-1, BY M.P.SHANMUGAM > > > > > > > > 'All the planets from sun to saturn, in which star they are > > > > deposited, will predominately offer the results of the house that > > > > starlord occupies and then the houses owned by that starlord. > > > > > > > > But rahu & ketu offer results in a different and opposite > > way.There > > > > are other levels of strength built in rahu/ketu and strange are > > > the > > > > ways, as they offer the results. > > > > > > > > 1.Any planet deposited in the star of rahu/ketu, it is rahu/ketu > > > that > > > > will offer the results of that planet. > > > > > > > > 2.When found NO planet in the stars of rahu/ketu, the nodes will > > > > offer the results of the planets that are conjoined with them. > > > > > > > > 3.Any planet, that aspects rahu/ketu, the nodes will give results > > > of > > > > the aspecting planets. > > > > > > > > 4.When no planet is aspecting rahu/ketu, when no planet is > > > conjoined > > > > with Ra/KE, when no planet is in the stars of rahu/ketu THEN ONLY > > > > rahu/ketu offers the results of the constellation lord in whose > > > > constellation they are deposited.i.e where the constellation lord > > > is > > > > and the houses by that constellation lors predominately. > > > > > > > > 5.of the nodes, ra/ke to offer results as explained above, it is > > > rahu > > > > who has more strengthto offer the results. > > > > > > > > I would like the MEMBERS TO COMMENT ON THE ABOVE RULES > > > > > > > > regards > > > > shubarag > > > > In , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear TW853, > > > > > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. > > He > > > > was > > > > > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > > > > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > > > etc. > > > > > I am trying to say: > > > > > In Kp we are working at three levels. > > > > > 1] Source planet. X > > > > > 2]star planet Y > > > > > & 3]sub planet Z > > > > > > > > > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star > > > planet > > > > > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted > > > that > > > > > house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > > > > [also > > > > > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > > > > > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu > > > represents > > > > > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > > > results > > > > of > > > > > Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > > > > > > > > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands > > > of > > > > > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > > > > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > > > > Thanks. happy HOLI. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > > > > > > > > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > > > > > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the > > > node > > > > > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt > > > planets > > > > > are > > > > > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder > > > > > brother > > > > > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, > > does > > > > not > > > === message truncated === > > > --------- > A.R.Raichur bombay > anant_1608 > raichuranant > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > tel: 022-2506 2609 > --------- > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Dear Tin Win Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and Ketu Aspects Ketu always. So if they are not conjunct with any other planet, Rahu must act as Ketu and Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK has said or used. However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu has to act as his agent. At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th aspect, and so Ketu also becomes his agent. KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional astrology treats them as planets allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends, enemies etc. One cannot follow both at the same time. Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to check what the sub says by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in which Resides. Then decide wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated by the Star Lord. In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own any houses, one has to consider only the House where it is, and decide wether it is favourable or not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the Rahu here also as an agent and substite it by the Planet it represents. This requires research in exanples in KP readers. Hope this is helpful --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > 1. Thank you for your comments. > > > Quote--- > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have ASPECTS, not even the > 7th ASPECT. > > Unquote > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do not have physical > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's 7th, 9th and 12th > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > which generally coincides with--- > > " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and 12 fully, 2 and 10 > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara Kalamrita Kalidasa by > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under " Notes " (Message #3246) > > > Quote--- > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which aspect HIM. If 7th > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of Ketu, when Rahu is > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is possible for BOTH Rahu > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is conjunct with one > of them and aspetcs the other. > > Unquote > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the following Guruji KSK's > writings in his original KP Readers. > > > 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate the results of the > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is in conjunction with > them they bestow the results of the planets aspecting them. If Rahu > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected by any planet, it > offers the results of the lord of the constellation in which it is > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- KP Reader III, > 1984, p 123-124, > > which generally coincides with the following quotation by KSK, except > the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of the lord of the > constellation in which it is deposited " . > > " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the planets to which they > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any planet, then they > give the results of the planet which aspects them. Only when they are > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any planet, they represent > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI Sloka 14 onwards) " - > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 > > > > 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be cancelled by Kethu's > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate SEPERATELY in their > respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 > > > > Quote--- > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and examples, to get a > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as per KP. > > Unquote > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature of six KP Readers, > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current KP Annuals since > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of Rahu and Kethu have > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal Krishna Singh > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP Year Book, 1999, p 26, > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th and 12th aspects in > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 of KP Reader III, > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are the ONLY places > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of Rahu and Kethu; > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight difference order of > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in full, i.e. all four > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978), and > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in KP Reader VI, p 207 > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in Reader V, p 155 > (Eition 1983) . > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his crowing that the > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with success) simultaneously > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, pp 139-144 and KP > Reader VI, pp 83-87--- > > 6.a/ For Kethu as a " Sublord " , i.e. Moon, Venus are in Kethu star, > Kethu's rules of conjunction and lord of the sign occupied by Kethu > are taken at the same time, which are a little different from B. > Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani, p 19, not mentioning the conjunction > rule, and K. Subramanium's suggestion of taking the lord of the sign > rule only when Kethu is not conjoined or aspected by any planet. > > 6.b/ Aspect of Jupiter to Kethu and the Rahu's role as mentioned in > the quotation for the above para 2, are silent. > > 6.c/ Application of Sublord rule of Rahu and Kethu as a " Sublord " has > not been found not only in the above example but also in the whole KP > literature as far as my reading goes. > > > Quote--- > > Let us not mix up the Traditional views in this. > > Unquote > > > 7. It's very difficult, Sir, because the Traditional views are > included in KP Readers, e.g. as mentioned in the above para 3.a. > > > Thanks and highest regards, > > Tin Win > > > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > wrote: > > Dear Tin Win > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have ASPECTS, not even the > 7th ASPECT. > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which aspect HIM. If 7th > aspect is > > > > conceded, then He has to act as Agent of Ketu, when Rahu is not > conjoined with > > > > Rahu. On this basis it is possible for BOTH Rahu and Ketu to act as > agents of > > > > one planet, which is conjunct with one of them and aspetcs the > other. > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and examples, to get a > rational > > > > way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as per KP. Let us not mix up > the > > Traditional views in this. > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shubarag, > > > > > > 1. You've mentioned a good reference, which has been quoted > since > > > Msg #1050 as follows. > > > > > > >(ii) V. N. Krishna Rao says, " regarding Rahu's aspects, it is > > > >wrong to consider Rahu as aspecting the 7H. The 7H from Rahu is > > > >itself Kethu with qualities distinctly of its own " . While Rahu > > > >partakes of the qualities of Saturn, Kethu is considered to > embody > > > >the qualities of Mars. It is my experience that the trinal > aspects of > > > >Rahu are beneficial while the square aspects are particularly > > > >harmful.---- in his article --- " Place of Rahu in Prediction " > > > > > > ** It is noted that this conflicts with 'Astrosecrets & > > > Krishnamurti Padhati' Part 1 fourth edition April 2003. > > > > > > Here it states " when a planet is conjoined with Kethu, that > > > planet is under the aspect of Rahu. For this reason Kethu > > > cannot act for the conjoined planet " . > > > > > > The implication in the author's prior explanation of Rahu and > > > Kethu, is that Rahu is dominant hence " Ketu will not subject > > > itself to several level matters, like that of Rahu " . ** > > > > > > A further question stemming from this book is results from > > > Rahu and Ketu. The primary result is shown on page 308 > > > to be: > > > > > > " 1. Any planet deposited in the star of Rahu/Keth " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 sir one basic thoughts ..... dasha calaculation from asc is benficial or moon star? - " anant raichur " <anant_1608 Monday, March 28, 2005 11:12 AM Re: Re: Rahu/Ketu as Significators: Sh Raichur > > Dear Tin Win > > Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one > > cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and Ketu Aspects Ketu always. > > So if they are not conjunct with any other planet, Rahu must act as Ketu and > > Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK has said or used. > > However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu has to act as his agent. > > At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th aspect, and so Ketu also > > becomes his agent. > > > KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional astrology treats them as > planets > > allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends, enemies etc. > > One cannot follow both at the same time. > > Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to check what the sub says > > by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in which Resides. Then decide > > wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated by the Star Lord. > > In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own any houses, one has to > > consider only the House where it is, and decide wether it is favourable or > > not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the Rahu here also as an agent > > and substite it by the Planet it represents. This requires research in > > exanples in KP readers. > > Hope this is helpful > --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > > > 1. Thank you for your comments. > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have ASPECTS, not even the > > 7th ASPECT. > > > > Unquote > > > > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do not have physical > > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's 7th, 9th and 12th > > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > > > which generally coincides with--- > > > > " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and 12 fully, 2 and 10 > > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara Kalamrita Kalidasa by > > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under " Notes " (Message #3246) > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which aspect HIM. If 7th > > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of Ketu, when Rahu is > > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is possible for BOTH Rahu > > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is conjunct with one > > of them and aspetcs the other. > > > > Unquote > > > > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the following Guruji KSK's > > writings in his original KP Readers. > > > > > > 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate the results of the > > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is in conjunction with > > them they bestow the results of the planets aspecting them. If Rahu > > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected by any planet, it > > offers the results of the lord of the constellation in which it is > > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- KP Reader III, > > 1984, p 123-124, > > > > which generally coincides with the following quotation by KSK, except > > the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of the lord of the > > constellation in which it is deposited " . > > > > " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the planets to which they > > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any planet, then they > > give the results of the planet which aspects them. Only when they are > > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any planet, they represent > > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita- Khanda VI Sloka 14 onwards) " - > > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 > > > > > > > > 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be cancelled by Kethu's > > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate SEPERATELY in their > > respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and examples, to get a > > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as per KP. > > > > Unquote > > > > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature of six KP Readers, > > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current KP Annuals since > > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of Rahu and Kethu have > > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal Krishna Singh > > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP Year Book, 1999, p 26, > > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th and 12th aspects in > > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. > > > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 of KP Reader III, > > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are the ONLY places > > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of Rahu and Kethu; > > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight difference order of > > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in full, i.e. all four > > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978), and > > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in KP Reader VI, p 207 > > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in Reader V, p 155 > > (Eition 1983) . > > > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his crowing that the > > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with success) simultaneously > > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, pp 139-144 and KP > > Reader VI, pp 83-87--- > > > > 6.a/ For Kethu as a " Sublord " , i.e. Moon, Venus are in Kethu star, > > Kethu's rules of conjunction and lord of the sign occupied by Kethu > > are taken at the same time, which are a little different from B. > > Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani, p 19, not mentioning the conjunction > > rule, and K. Subramanium's suggestion of taking the lord of the sign > > rule only when Kethu is not conjoined or aspected by any planet. > > > > 6.b/ Aspect of Jupiter to Kethu and the Rahu's role as mentioned in > > the quotation for the above para 2, are silent. > > > > 6.c/ Application of Sublord rule of Rahu and Kethu as a " Sublord " has > > not been found not only in the above example but also in the whole KP > > literature as far as my reading goes. > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > Let us not mix up the Traditional views in this. > > > > Unquote > > > > > > 7. It's very difficult, Sir, because the Traditional views are > > included in KP Readers, e.g. as mentioned in the above para 3.a. > > > > > > Thanks and highest regards, > > > > Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote: > > > Dear Tin Win > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have ASPECTS, not even the > > 7th ASPECT. > > > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which aspect HIM. If 7th > > aspect is > > > > > > conceded, then He has to act as Agent of Ketu, when Rahu is not > > conjoined with > > > > > > Rahu. On this basis it is possible for BOTH Rahu and Ketu to act as > > agents of > > > > > > one planet, which is conjunct with one of them and aspetcs the > > other. > > > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and examples, to get a > > rational > > > > > > way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as per KP. Let us not mix up > > the > > > Traditional views in this. > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shubarag, > > > > > > > > 1. You've mentioned a good reference, which has been quoted > > since > > > > Msg #1050 as follows. > > > > > > > > >(ii) V. N. Krishna Rao says, " regarding Rahu's aspects, it is > > > > >wrong to consider Rahu as aspecting the 7H. The 7H from Rahu is > > > > >itself Kethu with qualities distinctly of its own " . While Rahu > > > > >partakes of the qualities of Saturn, Kethu is considered to > > embody > > > > >the qualities of Mars. It is my experience that the trinal > > aspects of > > > > >Rahu are beneficial while the square aspects are particularly > > > > >harmful.---- in his article --- " Place of Rahu in Prediction " > > > > > > > > ** It is noted that this conflicts with 'Astrosecrets & > > > > Krishnamurti Padhati' Part 1 fourth edition April 2003. > > > > > > > > Here it states " when a planet is conjoined with Kethu, that > > > > planet is under the aspect of Rahu. For this reason Kethu > > > > cannot act for the conjoined planet " . > > > > > > > > The implication in the author's prior explanation of Rahu and > > > > Kethu, is that Rahu is dominant hence " Ketu will not subject > > > > itself to several level matters, like that of Rahu " . ** > > > > > > > > A further question stemming from this book is results from > > > > Rahu and Ketu. The primary result is shown on page 308 > > > > to be: > > > > > > > > " 1. Any planet deposited in the star of Rahu/Keth " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The following is a factual statement which can be noticed in > > KP > > > === message truncated === > > > --------- > A.R.Raichur bombay > anant_1608 > raichuranant > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > tel: 022-2506 2609 > --------- > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Dear Inder, Dear Inder, > If we see KP readers, Guruji in earlier wrtings said take Moon or > lagna which ever is more strong. 1. Could you kindly provide the Ref KP Reader & p number, please? > In earlier writings star was given much importance which shifted > more and more for sub. 2. Could you kindly provide the specific Ref for " earlier writings " , please? 3. It is not " shifting " but " discovery " . " This discovery has crowned me with success " . (KP Reader III, p 137, KP Reader V, p 137, KP Reader VI, p 81) 3. Knowledge of Tranditionals is a credit, not debit, for better understanding of two pillars of KP, i.e. traditional zodiac and unpropotionate Vimshottari dasa system (third pillar is the Western Placidus house system) and for tracing the origin of Prof. Balachandran's application of Kethu's aspect. Thanks and best regards, tw , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear tw853, > Your mail is very big to give appropriate reply. > If we see KP readers, Guruji in earlier wrtings said take Moon or > lagna which ever is more strong. Later, he gave rulings for lagana > only. > In earlier writings star was given much importance which shifted > more and more for sub. > At one point, he also gave ruling that if in any planet's star no > planet is posted then planets posted in its sign can be important. > [this is somewhere in Reader on marriage & children]. > I am a humble student of KP and trying to learn through internet > only as I am not a practicing astrologer.I did not study traditional > Vedic astrology.I am also not boasting anything.Only trying to learn > and discuss. > Rahu/ketu are always for confusion. > Good wishes > Inder > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > >>>Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. > He > > >>>was genius. Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > > > > > 1. Could you be kind enough to mention some of " Many changes > keep > > on occuring on these rules " for the benefits of KP learners like > me, > > of course with articular references for our study. Because nothing > > hasn't been found in this regards, when I've earlier gone through > all > > of your KP " reading many many charts " in · > Jyotish > > (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies group with the hope to learn > whatever > > available for KP. > > > > > > >>>However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > etc > > > > > > 2. Issue = question that raises for discussion, the point being > > discussed (Oxford Advanced learners's Dictionary of Current > English > > by A. S. Hornby ) > > > > >> Dear Raichur, > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in > its > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give > > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > 10th, > > 2,> & 9. > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > results > > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > d]. > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > > Inder > > > > >>I am trying to say: > > >>In Kp we are working at three levels. > > >>1] Source planet. X > > >>2]star planet Y > > >> & 3]sub planet Z > > > > >>X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star planet > > >>says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted that > > >>house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > [also > > >>fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > > > 3. " Hence Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of > > the result and the SUB is a deciding factor whether the matter is > > favourable or not " . (KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 129; Reader > V, > > 1983, p 129) > > > > " But the `deciding' factor, good or bad, success or failure is > shown > > by the sub occupied by the significator. " (Reader III, p 138; > Reader > > V, p 138; Reader VI, p 81) > > > > > > > > >>Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > > >>planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu represents > > >>sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > results > > >>of Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > > > >>If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands of > > >>examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > >>interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > > > > > 4. This " big difference " has been very clearly differentiated by > > sample language of " Rahu and Kethu as planet " for your first case > > and " Rahu and Kethu as starlord " for your second case in tems of > > Nakshatra Chintamani and " If the node itself is DBA lord " for your > > first case and " If any DBA lord in the star of nodes " for your > second > > case in my elder brother's letter. > > > > 5. Sincec this a basic factual statement that there is a > difference > > between the results of Rahu and Kethu as a planet and as a > sublord, > > there is no contradiction or agreement or controversy without > > requiring any example. If you can, any example, preferably from > > KSK's, is highly appreciated for better understanding of what > you're > > saying " any contradiction example. " > > > > >>2. But why western aspects (not Hindu)? Hindu aspects have been > used > > >>in examples of KP Readers III, IV, V & VI even though a study of > > >>western aspects is encouraged by Guruji KSK. (msg #3203) > > > > 6. In response to the above question to you, could you kindly > > provide any single KSK example of applying western aspects from > > thousands as mentioned by you. > > > > >>>Everything I learnt is from KP Readers and my experience mostly > on > > >>>Internet reading many many charts. > > > > > > 7. With your kind permission, could I repost some of your > > KP " reading many many charts " (in · Jyotish > (Vedic > > Astrology) and Remedies group) here in our forum for other KP > > learners like me to gain practical knowledge on the basis of real > > charts ?. Or Reposting of your own selection of the most > > appropraiate readings is highly appreciated for the benefit of KP > > learners because such readings of yours are not yet available here > up > > to now. > > > > > > > > >>>The poimts which I am saying about Rahu/Ketu significators are > not > > >>>being understood. In Kp lenghty explainations makes things > > >>>difficult to comprehend many times. > > > > 8. What you're saying first case and second case is well > understood > > as mentioned above and nothing new or controversial since it is > just > > a factual statement that there is a difference between the results > of > > Rahu as a planet and Rahu as a sublord. > > > > 9. Regarding another point what you're saying, for Rahu as a > sublord > > (in simple language) > > > > >>for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > >>d]. Not b] which comes into picture different way. " > > > > I've already mentioned that Bhatt and my elder KP brother do not > > inclued the result of b/ for the case " Rahu as a sublord " and any > KSK > > example has not yet been found for the inclusion of the b/ result > in > > such a case, i.e. what i've mentioned is nothing contrary with > your > > statement. > > > > 10. However contrary to your saying of " KP lengthy expalnation " , > > even though we love to read KSK's writing as much as > > possible,the " explanation " about Rahu/Kethu signification is only > > quarter page of p 123 and about half page of p 124 in KP Reader > III; > > the mentioned a/ to d/ four rules are repeated in KP Reader VI, > 1978, > > pp 187, 212, 274 & 276 in full and p 207 & p 232 in part but just > > statement " without any explanation " ; in Reader II, p 316 statement > in > > part and a paragraph of background reference from Uthrakalamrita, > p > > 315. > > > > > > Best regards and HOLI to you and all, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear TW853, > > > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. He > > was > > > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > etc. > > > I am trying to say: > > > In Kp we are working at three levels. > > > 1] Source planet. X > > > 2]star planet Y > > > & 3]sub planet Z > > > > > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star > planet > > > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted > that > > > house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > > [also > > > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > > > > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > > > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu > represents > > > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > results > > of > > > Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > > > > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands > of > > > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > > Thanks. happy HOLI. > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > > > > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > > > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the > node > > > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: > > Nakshatra > > > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > > > > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt > planets > > > are > > > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder > > > brother > > > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, does > > not > > > > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, " If any DBA lord in > > the > > > > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by > the > > > nodes > > > > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign > lord > > > > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, > Jupiter > > is > > > in > > > > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and > 7th , > > and > > > > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore Jupiter > > will > > > > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 > and > > 1 > > > > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes > > explained > > > in > > > > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > > > > troublesome. " , i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > > > > > > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to a > > > > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP > Reader > > > III, > > > > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time I'll > > wait > > > > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the > > rationale > > > > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK > example > > > > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not work) > > next > > > > time. > > > > > > > > 4) The issue of " TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S INFLUENCE > > > > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS " has been put > for > > > > research. " Many general rules which should not be strictly > > applied. > > > > Many modifications are to be included. " KP Reader III. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > > <lyrastro1> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per K.P. > > > > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in > > > > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... > > > > > As far as what the rule states it is very > > > clear...if > > > > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord > > also... > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P > in > > its > > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will > give > > > the > > > > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > > posted > > > > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > 10th, > > 2, > > > > & 9. > > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > results > > > > of > > > > > planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], > c], & > > > d]. > > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter > > signifies, > > > > > Rahu will > > > > > > signify > > > > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will > signify > > > > both > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my personal view > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > > > > > constellation > > > > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of > 12 > > > > > being in > > > > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu > > behave. > > > > > Will it > > > > > > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as > agents > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the > same > > > > > house as > > > > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me > know > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses > where > > that > > > > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a > significator > > of > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say > > Jupiter > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie > Cancer, > > > > would > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Dear Friends, Moreover,K.P., is being constantly embellished by the findings of research scholars...over the years, the focus is slowly shifting on to the sub-sub-method,first written about,very well, by two great stalwarts of K.P., the late Pt. Keshub Ranjan Kar,and Prof Balachandran...their articles have been regulatrly appearing from as early as in the 1995 & 1996 Annual Issues.. Dr. Kar's DRPE theory "Day Rise Planetary Effects' in horary astrology is an interesting insight into K.P., and perhaps goes to prove that the Planets ALWAYS reveal the truth... regardless of the method one follows...like judging a horoscope(horary) from the Xth cusp as Ascendant...etc... Mr.Raichur's Software provides for this option,one can choose the house to be considered as the Ascendant, that he wishes to.... A lot of further research is being done to fine-tune K.P., my friends,to make predicting more accurate and precise... Researchers like Prof Balachandran et al,are working very hard indeed...kudos to them...and May God give more strength to their elbows...! Compared to the many stalwarts actively using the sub-sub method,i feel that the majority of the members of this group are at the Intermediate level,whereas the stalwarts are Ph.D's...! With best wishes, Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Inder,Dear Inder,> If we see KP readers, Guruji in earlier wrtings said take Moon or > lagna which ever is more strong. 1. Could you kindly provide the Ref KP Reader & p number, please?> In earlier writings star was given much importance which shifted > more and more for sub.2. Could you kindly provide the specific Ref for "earlier writings", please?3. It is not "shifting" but "discovery". "This discovery has crowned me with success". (KP Reader III, p 137, KP Reader V, p 137, KP Reader VI, p 81)3. Knowledge of Tranditionals is a credit, not debit, for better understanding of two pillars of KP, i.e. traditional zodiac and unpropotionate Vimshottari dasa system (third pillar is the Western Placidus house system) and for tracing the origin of Prof. Balachandran's application of Kethu's aspect.Thanks and best regards,tw , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote:> > Dear tw853,> Your mail is very big to give appropriate reply.> If we see KP readers, Guruji in earlier wrtings said take Moon or > lagna which ever is more strong. Later, he gave rulings for lagana > only.> In earlier writings star was given much importance which shifted > more and more for sub.> At one point, he also gave ruling that if in any planet's star no > planet is posted then planets posted in its sign can be important.> [this is somewhere in Reader on marriage & children].> I am a humble student of KP and trying to learn through internet > only as I am not a practicing astrologer.I did not study traditional > Vedic astrology.I am also not boasting anything.Only trying to learn > and discuss.> Rahu/ketu are always for confusion.> Good wishes> Inder > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > Dear Inder,> > > > >>>Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. > He > > >>>was genius. Many changes keep on occuring on these rules.> > > > > > 1. Could you be kind enough to mention some of "Many changes > keep > > on occuring on these rules" for the benefits of KP learners like > me, > > of course with articular references for our study. Because nothing > > hasn't been found in this regards, when I've earlier gone through > all > > of your KP "reading many many charts" in · > Jyotish > > (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies group with the hope to learn > whatever > > available for KP.> > > > > > >>>However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > etc> > > > > > 2. Issue = question that raises for discussion, the point being > > discussed (Oxford Advanced learners's Dictionary of Current > English > > by A. S. Hornby )> > > > >> Dear Raichur,> > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of :> > > > a]Planets conjoined.> > > > b]Rahu's star lord?> > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside.> > > >> > > > Here needs some cosideration.> > > >> > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P in > its> > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of .> > > >> > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give> > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is> > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > 10th, > > 2,> & 9.> > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > results> > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu.> > > >> > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > d].> > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way.> > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules.> > > > Inder> > > > >>I am trying to say:> > >>In Kp we are working at three levels.> > >>1] Source planet. X> > >>2]star planet Y> > >> & 3]sub planet Z> > > > >>X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star planet> > >>says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted that> > >>house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > [also> > >>fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted.> > > > 3. "Hence Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of > > the result and the SUB is a deciding factor whether the matter is > > favourable or not". (KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 129; Reader > V, > > 1983, p 129) > > > > "But the `deciding' factor, good or bad, success or failure is > shown > > by the sub occupied by the significator." (Reader III, p 138; > Reader > > V, p 138; Reader VI, p 81)> > > > > > > > >>Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a> > >>planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu represents> > >>sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > results > > >>of Star planet. So this is a big difference.> > > > >>If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands of> > >>examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be> > >>interpreted. Give me any contradiction example.> > > > > > 4. This "big difference" has been very clearly differentiated by > > sample language of "Rahu and Kethu as planet" for your first case > > and "Rahu and Kethu as starlord" for your second case in tems of > > Nakshatra Chintamani and "If the node itself is DBA lord" for your > > first case and "If any DBA lord in the star of nodes" for your > second > > case in my elder brother's letter. > > > > 5. Sincec this a basic factual statement that there is a > difference > > between the results of Rahu and Kethu as a planet and as a > sublord, > > there is no contradiction or agreement or controversy without > > requiring any example. If you can, any example, preferably from > > KSK's, is highly appreciated for better understanding of what > you're > > saying "any contradiction example." > > > > >>2. But why western aspects (not Hindu)? Hindu aspects have been > used> > >>in examples of KP Readers III, IV, V & VI even though a study of> > >>western aspects is encouraged by Guruji KSK. (msg #3203)> > > > 6. In response to the above question to you, could you kindly > > provide any single KSK example of applying western aspects from > > thousands as mentioned by you. > > > > >>>Everything I learnt is from KP Readers and my experience mostly > on> > >>>Internet reading many many charts.> > > > > > 7. With your kind permission, could I repost some of your > > KP "reading many many charts" (in · Jyotish > (Vedic > > Astrology) and Remedies group) here in our forum for other KP > > learners like me to gain practical knowledge on the basis of real > > charts ?. Or Reposting of your own selection of the most > > appropraiate readings is highly appreciated for the benefit of KP > > learners because such readings of yours are not yet available here > up > > to now.> > > > > > > > >>>The poimts which I am saying about Rahu/Ketu significators are > not> > >>>being understood. In Kp lenghty explainations makes things > > >>>difficult to comprehend many times.> > > > 8. What you're saying first case and second case is well > understood > > as mentioned above and nothing new or controversial since it is > just > > a factual statement that there is a difference between the results > of > > Rahu as a planet and Rahu as a sublord.> > > > 9. Regarding another point what you're saying, for Rahu as a > sublord > > (in simple language) > > > > >>for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > >>d]. Not b] which comes into picture different way." > > > > I've already mentioned that Bhatt and my elder KP brother do not > > inclued the result of b/ for the case "Rahu as a sublord" and any > KSK > > example has not yet been found for the inclusion of the b/ result > in > > such a case, i.e. what i've mentioned is nothing contrary with > your > > statement.> > > > 10. However contrary to your saying of "KP lengthy expalnation", > > even though we love to read KSK's writing as much as > > possible,the "explanation" about Rahu/Kethu signification is only > > quarter page of p 123 and about half page of p 124 in KP Reader > III; > > the mentioned a/ to d/ four rules are repeated in KP Reader VI, > 1978, > > pp 187, 212, 274 & 276 in full and p 207 & p 232 in part but just > > statement "without any explanation"; in Reader II, p 316 statement > in > > part and a paragraph of background reference from Uthrakalamrita, > p > > 315. > > > > > > Best regards and HOLI to you and all,> > > > tw> > > > > > > > , "Inder" <indervohra2001> > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear TW853,> > > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. He > > was > > > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules.> > > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > etc.> > > I am trying to say:> > > In Kp we are working at three levels.> > > 1] Source planet. X> > > 2]star planet Y> > > & 3]sub planet Z> > > > > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star > planet > > > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted > that > > > house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > > [also > > > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted.> > > > > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > > > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu > represents > > > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > results > > of > > > Star planet. So this is a big difference.> > > > > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands > of > > > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example.> > > Thanks. happy HOLI.> > > Inder> > > > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Inder,> > > > > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of ---> > > > > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD> > > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the > node> > > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: > > Nakshatra> > > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246)> > > > > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt > planets > > > are > > > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder > > > brother > > > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, does > > not > > > > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, "If any DBA lord in > > the > > > > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by > the > > > nodes > > > > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign > lord > > > > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, > Jupiter > > is > > > in > > > > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and > 7th , > > and > > > > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore Jupiter > > will > > > > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 > and > > 1 > > > > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes > > explained > > > in > > > > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > > > > troublesome.", i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > > > > > > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to a > > > > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP > Reader > > > III, > > > > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time I'll > > wait > > > > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the > > rationale > > > > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK > example > > > > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not work) > > next > > > > time. > > > > > > > > 4) The issue of "TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S INFLUENCE > > > > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS" has been put > for > > > > research. "Many general rules which should not be strictly > > applied.> > > > Many modifications are to be included." KP Reader III.> > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > > <lyrastro1> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Inder,> > > > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per K.P.> > > > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in > > > > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply...> > > > > As far as what the rule states it is very > > > clear...if > > > > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord > > also...> > > > > lyrastro1> > > > > > > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur,> > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of :> > > > > a]Planets conjoined.> > > > > b]Rahu's star lord?> > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside.> > > > > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration.> > > > > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P > in > > its > > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of .> > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will > give > > > the > > > > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > > posted > > > > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > 10th, > > 2, > > > > & 9.> > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > results > > > > of > > > > > planet acting as significators of Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], > c], & > > > d].> > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way.> > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules.> > > > > Inder> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Raman> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter > > signifies, > > > > > Rahu will> > > > > > signify> > > > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will > signify > > > > both > > > > > houses> > > > > > > > > > > > This is my personal view> > > > > > > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > > > > > constellation > > > > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator of > 12 > > > > > being in > > > > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu > > behave. > > > > > Will it > > > > > > > signify 11 or 12.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Rongaunt> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as > agents > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined> > > > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord> > > > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them> > > > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will signify > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the > same > > > > > house as> > > > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me > know > > > > > whether> > > > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses > where > > that> > > > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a > significator > > of > > > > > houses> > > > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say > > Jupiter > > > > is > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie > Cancer, > > > > would > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Dear Lajmi ji, 1. Instead of mentioning about the sub sub theory only by name again and again, could you present a " single " case even for " only one event " , say marriage or foreign travel, by sub sub theory introduced in KP Year Books in order to make members able to start from A,B,C of the theory and to see whether it is practically applicable for them in accordance with Guruji KSK's intention, i.e. " K.P. can be followed by even a layman not knowing , previously, anything about astrology. " ? (KP Reader VI, p 67). 2. Referring to my posting " Which sub sub to take?, Part I " which SW's sub subs would you recommand to use? Part II will be followed to-night. Thanks and best regrds, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Friends, > Moreover,K.P., is being constantly embellished by the findings of research scholars...over the years, the focus is slowly shifting on to the sub-sub-method,first written about,very well, by two great stalwarts of K.P., the late Pt. Keshub Ranjan Kar,and Prof Balachandran...their articles have been regulatrly appearing from as early as in the 1995 & 1996 Annual Issues.. > Dr. Kar's DRPE theory " Day Rise Planetary Effects' in horary astrology is an interesting insight into K.P., and perhaps goes to prove that the Planets ALWAYS reveal the truth... regardless of the method one follows...like judging a horoscope (horary) from the Xth cusp as Ascendant...etc... > Mr.Raichur's Software provides for this option,one can choose the house to be considered as the Ascendant, that he wishes to.... > A lot of further research is being done to fine- tune K.P., my friends,to make predicting more accurate and precise... > Researchers like Prof Balachandran et al,are working very hard indeed...kudos to them...and May God give more strength to their elbows...! > Compared to the many stalwarts actively using the sub-sub method,i feel that the majority of the members of this group are at the Intermediate level,whereas the stalwarts are Ph.D's...! > With best wishes, > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > Dear Inder, > > > If we see KP readers, Guruji in earlier wrtings said take Moon or > > lagna which ever is more strong. > > 1. Could you kindly provide the Ref KP Reader & p number, please? > > > > In earlier writings star was given much importance which shifted > > more and more for sub. > > 2. Could you kindly provide the specific Ref for " earlier > writings " , please? > > 3. It is not " shifting " but " discovery " . " This discovery has > crowned me with success " . (KP Reader III, p 137, KP Reader V, p 137, > KP Reader VI, p 81) > > 3. Knowledge of Tranditionals is a credit, not debit, for better > understanding of two pillars of KP, i.e. traditional zodiac and > unpropotionate Vimshottari dasa system (third pillar is the Western > Placidus house system) and for tracing the origin of Prof. > Balachandran's application of Kethu's aspect. > > > Thanks and best regards, > > tw > > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > wrote: > > > > Dear tw853, > > Your mail is very big to give appropriate reply. > > If we see KP readers, Guruji in earlier wrtings said take Moon or > > lagna which ever is more strong. Later, he gave rulings for lagana > > only. > > In earlier writings star was given much importance which shifted > > more and more for sub. > > At one point, he also gave ruling that if in any planet's star no > > planet is posted then planets posted in its sign can be important. > > [this is somewhere in Reader on marriage & children]. > > I am a humble student of KP and trying to learn through internet > > only as I am not a practicing astrologer.I did not study > traditional > > Vedic astrology.I am also not boasting anything.Only trying to > learn > > and discuss. > > Rahu/ketu are always for confusion. > > Good wishes > > Inder > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > >>>Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. > > He > > > >>>was genius. Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > > > > > > > > 1. Could you be kind enough to mention some of " Many changes > > keep > > > on occuring on these rules " for the benefits of KP learners like > > me, > > > of course with articular references for our study. Because > nothing > > > hasn't been found in this regards, when I've earlier gone > through > > all > > > of your KP " reading many many charts " in · > > Jyotish > > > (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies group with the hope to learn > > whatever > > > available for KP. > > > > > > > > > >>>However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > > etc > > > > > > > > > 2. Issue = question that raises for discussion, the point being > > > discussed (Oxford Advanced learners's Dictionary of Current > > English > > > by A. S. Hornby ) > > > > > > >> Dear Raichur, > > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P > in > > its > > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will > give > > > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > > 10th, > > > 2,> & 9. > > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > results > > > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], > c], & > > > d]. > > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > >>I am trying to say: > > > >>In Kp we are working at three levels. > > > >>1] Source planet. X > > > >>2]star planet Y > > > >> & 3]sub planet Z > > > > > > >>X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star > planet > > > >>says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted > that > > > >>house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > > [also > > > >>fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > > > > > 3. " Hence Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature > of > > > the result and the SUB is a deciding factor whether the matter > is > > > favourable or not " . (KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 129; Reader > > V, > > > 1983, p 129) > > > > > > " But the `deciding' factor, good or bad, success or failure is > > shown > > > by the sub occupied by the significator. " (Reader III, p 138; > > Reader > > > V, p 138; Reader VI, p 81) > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a > > > >>planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu > represents > > > >>sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > > results > > > >>of Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > > > > > >>If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands > of > > > >>examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > > >>interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > > > > > > > > 4. This " big difference " has been very clearly differentiated > by > > > sample language of " Rahu and Kethu as planet " for your first > case > > > and " Rahu and Kethu as starlord " for your second case in tems of > > > Nakshatra Chintamani and " If the node itself is DBA lord " for > your > > > first case and " If any DBA lord in the star of nodes " for your > > second > > > case in my elder brother's letter. > > > > > > 5. Sincec this a basic factual statement that there is a > > difference > > > between the results of Rahu and Kethu as a planet and as a > > sublord, > > > there is no contradiction or agreement or controversy without > > > requiring any example. If you can, any example, preferably from > > > KSK's, is highly appreciated for better understanding of what > > you're > > > saying " any contradiction example. " > > > > > > >>2. But why western aspects (not Hindu)? Hindu aspects have > been > > used > > > >>in examples of KP Readers III, IV, V & VI even though a study > of > > > >>western aspects is encouraged by Guruji KSK. (msg #3203) > > > > > > 6. In response to the above question to you, could you kindly > > > provide any single KSK example of applying western aspects from > > > thousands as mentioned by you. > > > > > > >>>Everything I learnt is from KP Readers and my experience > mostly > > on > > > >>>Internet reading many many charts. > > > > > > > > > 7. With your kind permission, could I repost some of your > > > KP " reading many many charts " (in · Jyotish > > (Vedic > > > Astrology) and Remedies group) here in our forum for other KP > > > learners like me to gain practical knowledge on the basis of > real > > > charts ?. Or Reposting of your own selection of the most > > > appropraiate readings is highly appreciated for the benefit of > KP > > > learners because such readings of yours are not yet available > here > > up > > > to now. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>The poimts which I am saying about Rahu/Ketu significators > are > > not > > > >>>being understood. In Kp lenghty explainations makes things > > > >>>difficult to comprehend many times. > > > > > > 8. What you're saying first case and second case is well > > understood > > > as mentioned above and nothing new or controversial since it is > > just > > > a factual statement that there is a difference between the > results > > of > > > Rahu as a planet and Rahu as a sublord. > > > > > > 9. Regarding another point what you're saying, for Rahu as a > > sublord > > > (in simple language) > > > > > > >>for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > > >>d]. Not b] which comes into picture different way. " > > > > > > I've already mentioned that Bhatt and my elder KP brother do not > > > inclued the result of b/ for the case " Rahu as a sublord " and > any > > KSK > > > example has not yet been found for the inclusion of the b/ > result > > in > > > such a case, i.e. what i've mentioned is nothing contrary with > > your > > > statement. > > > > > > 10. However contrary to your saying of " KP lengthy > expalnation " , > > > even though we love to read KSK's writing as much as > > > possible,the " explanation " about Rahu/Kethu signification is > only > > > quarter page of p 123 and about half page of p 124 in KP Reader > > III; > > > the mentioned a/ to d/ four rules are repeated in KP Reader VI, > > 1978, > > > pp 187, 212, 274 & 276 in full and p 207 & p 232 in part but > just > > > statement " without any explanation " ; in Reader II, p 316 > statement > > in > > > part and a paragraph of background reference from > Uthrakalamrita, > > p > > > 315. > > > > > > > > > Best regards and HOLI to you and all, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear TW853, > > > > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. > He > > > was > > > > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > > > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > > etc. > > > > I am trying to say: > > > > In Kp we are working at three levels. > > > > 1] Source planet. X > > > > 2]star planet Y > > > > & 3]sub planet Z > > > > > > > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star > > planet > > > > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted > > that > > > > house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > > > [also > > > > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > > > > > > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of > a > > > > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu > > represents > > > > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > > results > > > of > > > > Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > > > > > > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands > > of > > > > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > > > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > > > Thanks. happy HOLI. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > > > > > > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > > > > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the > > node > > > > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: > > > Nakshatra > > > > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > > > > > > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt > > planets > > > > are > > > > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder > > > > brother > > > > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, > does > > > not > > > > > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, " If any DBA lord > in > > > the > > > > > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by > > the > > > > nodes > > > > > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign > > lord > > > > > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, > > Jupiter > > > is > > > > in > > > > > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and > > 7th , > > > and > > > > > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore > Jupiter > > > will > > > > > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 > > and > > > 1 > > > > > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes > > > explained > > > > in > > > > > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > > > > > troublesome. " , i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > > > > > > > > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to > a > > > > > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP > > Reader > > > > III, > > > > > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time > I'll > > > wait > > > > > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the > > > rationale > > > > > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK > > example > > > > > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not > work) > > > next > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > 4) The issue of " TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S > INFLUENCE > > > > > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS " has been put > > for > > > > > research. " Many general rules which should not be strictly > > > applied. > > > > > Many modifications are to be included. " KP Reader III. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > > > <lyrastro1> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per > K.P. > > > > > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in > > > > > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... > > > > > > As far as what the rule states it is very > > > > clear...if > > > > > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord > > > also... > > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P > > in > > > its > > > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will > > give > > > > the > > > > > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose > is > > > > posted > > > > > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > > 10th, > > > 2, > > > > > & 9. > > > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > > results > > > > > of > > > > > > planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], > > c], & > > > > d]. > > > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter > > > signifies, > > > > > > Rahu will > > > > > > > signify > > > > > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will > > signify > > > > > both > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my personal view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > > > > > > constellation > > > > > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator > of > > 12 > > > > > > being in > > > > > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu > > > behave. > > > > > > Will it > > > > > > > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as > > agents > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > > > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > > > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > > > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will > signify > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the > > same > > > > > > house as > > > > > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me > > know > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses > > where > > > that > > > > > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a > > significator > > > of > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say > > > Jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie > > Cancer, > > > > > would > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Dear tw853, Dear tw, Pl. refer to K.P & Astrology,the strongest planet among the RPs,and preferably that among the planets signifying the karaka should be taken, naturally,I suppose... As I have already said,I am still experimenting with the sub-sub theory,and as I am a professional astrologer,I will only use it in "live cases" and preserve them on my computer,only after I master this system... Till such time,I'm afraid,you will have to wait... M/s Balachandran's and the late Pt. K.R.Kar's articles on this theory.and also an interesting article equating sub-sub to Navamsa of Navamsa(N/N),by Pt.Kar have appeasred in the K.P. & Astrology Magazine since 1995 atleast... I'm afraid,I do not have a scanner,so necessary for mailing the article to you verbatim... You will have to ask for old issues from Hariman Booksellers or Mr.K.Subramaniam himself ... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Lajmi ji,1. Instead of mentioning about the sub sub theory only by name again and again, could you present a "single" case even for "only one event" , say marriage or foreign travel, by sub sub theory introduced in KP Year Books in order to make members able to start from A,B,C of the theory and to see whether it is practically applicable for them in accordance with Guruji KSK's intention, i.e. "K.P. can be followed by even a layman not knowing , previously, anything about astrology." ? (KP Reader VI, p 67). 2. Referring to my posting "Which sub sub to take?, Part I" which SW's sub subs would you recommand to use? Part II will be followed to-night. Thanks and best regrds,tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Friends,> Moreover,K.P., is being constantly embellished by the findings of research scholars...over the years, the focus is slowly shifting on to the sub-sub-method,first written about,very well, by two great stalwarts of K.P., the late Pt. Keshub Ranjan Kar,and Prof Balachandran...their articles have been regulatrly appearing from as early as in the 1995 & 1996 Annual Issues..> Dr. Kar's DRPE theory "Day Rise Planetary Effects' in horary astrology is an interesting insight into K.P., and perhaps goes to prove that the Planets ALWAYS reveal the truth... regardless of the method one follows...like judging a horoscope(horary) from the Xth cusp as Ascendant...etc...> Mr.Raichur's Software provides for this option,one can choose the house to be considered as the Ascendant, that he wishes to....> A lot of further research is being done to fine-tune K.P., my friends,to make predicting more accurate and precise...> Researchers like Prof Balachandran et al,are working very hard indeed...kudos to them...and May God give more strength to their elbows...!> Compared to the many stalwarts actively using the sub-sub method,i feel that the majority of the members of this group are at the Intermediate level,whereas the stalwarts are Ph.D's...!> With best wishes,> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > Dear Inder,> > Dear Inder,> > > If we see KP readers, Guruji in earlier wrtings said take Moon or > > lagna which ever is more strong. > > 1. Could you kindly provide the Ref KP Reader & p number, please?> > > > In earlier writings star was given much importance which shifted > > more and more for sub.> > 2. Could you kindly provide the specific Ref for "earlier > writings", please?> > 3. It is not "shifting" but "discovery". "This discovery has > crowned me with success". (KP Reader III, p 137, KP Reader V, p 137, > KP Reader VI, p 81)> > 3. Knowledge of Tranditionals is a credit, not debit, for better > understanding of two pillars of KP, i.e. traditional zodiac and > unpropotionate Vimshottari dasa system (third pillar is the Western > Placidus house system) and for tracing the origin of Prof. > Balachandran's application of Kethu's aspect.> > > Thanks and best regards,> > tw> > > > > , "Inder" <indervohra2001> > wrote:> > > > Dear tw853,> > Your mail is very big to give appropriate reply.> > If we see KP readers, Guruji in earlier wrtings said take Moon or > > lagna which ever is more strong. Later, he gave rulings for lagana > > only.> > In earlier writings star was given much importance which shifted > > more and more for sub.> > At one point, he also gave ruling that if in any planet's star no > > planet is posted then planets posted in its sign can be important.> > [this is somewhere in Reader on marriage & children].> > I am a humble student of KP and trying to learn through internet > > only as I am not a practicing astrologer.I did not study > traditional > > Vedic astrology.I am also not boasting anything.Only trying to > learn > > and discuss.> > Rahu/ketu are always for confusion.> > Good wishes> > Inder > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Inder,> > > > > > >>>Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. > > He > > > >>>was genius. Many changes keep on occuring on these rules.> > > > > > > > > 1. Could you be kind enough to mention some of "Many changes > > keep > > > on occuring on these rules" for the benefits of KP learners like > > me, > > > of course with articular references for our study. Because > nothing > > > hasn't been found in this regards, when I've earlier gone > through > > all > > > of your KP "reading many many charts" in · > > Jyotish > > > (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies group with the hope to learn > > whatever > > > available for KP.> > > > > > > > > >>>However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > > etc> > > > > > > > > 2. Issue = question that raises for discussion, the point being > > > discussed (Oxford Advanced learners's Dictionary of Current > > English > > > by A. S. Hornby )> > > > > > >> Dear Raichur,> > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of :> > > > > a]Planets conjoined.> > > > > b]Rahu's star lord?> > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside.> > > > >> > > > > Here needs some cosideration.> > > > >> > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P > in > > its> > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of .> > > > >> > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will > give> > > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is> > > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > > 10th, > > > 2,> & 9.> > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > results> > > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu.> > > > >> > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], > c], & > > > d].> > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way.> > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules.> > > > > Inder> > > > > > >>I am trying to say:> > > >>In Kp we are working at three levels.> > > >>1] Source planet. X> > > >>2]star planet Y> > > >> & 3]sub planet Z> > > > > > >>X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star > planet> > > >>says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted > that> > > >>house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > > [also> > > >>fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted.> > > > > > 3. "Hence Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature > of > > > the result and the SUB is a deciding factor whether the matter > is > > > favourable or not". (KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 129; Reader > > V, > > > 1983, p 129) > > > > > > "But the `deciding' factor, good or bad, success or failure is > > shown > > > by the sub occupied by the significator." (Reader III, p 138; > > Reader > > > V, p 138; Reader VI, p 81)> > > > > > > > > > > > >>Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of a> > > >>planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu > represents> > > >>sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > > results > > > >>of Star planet. So this is a big difference.> > > > > > >>If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands > of> > > >>examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be> > > >>interpreted. Give me any contradiction example.> > > > > > > > > 4. This "big difference" has been very clearly differentiated > by > > > sample language of "Rahu and Kethu as planet" for your first > case > > > and "Rahu and Kethu as starlord" for your second case in tems of > > > Nakshatra Chintamani and "If the node itself is DBA lord" for > your > > > first case and "If any DBA lord in the star of nodes" for your > > second > > > case in my elder brother's letter. > > > > > > 5. Sincec this a basic factual statement that there is a > > difference > > > between the results of Rahu and Kethu as a planet and as a > > sublord, > > > there is no contradiction or agreement or controversy without > > > requiring any example. If you can, any example, preferably from > > > KSK's, is highly appreciated for better understanding of what > > you're > > > saying "any contradiction example." > > > > > > >>2. But why western aspects (not Hindu)? Hindu aspects have > been > > used> > > >>in examples of KP Readers III, IV, V & VI even though a study > of> > > >>western aspects is encouraged by Guruji KSK. (msg #3203)> > > > > > 6. In response to the above question to you, could you kindly > > > provide any single KSK example of applying western aspects from > > > thousands as mentioned by you. > > > > > > >>>Everything I learnt is from KP Readers and my experience > mostly > > on> > > >>>Internet reading many many charts.> > > > > > > > > 7. With your kind permission, could I repost some of your > > > KP "reading many many charts" (in · Jyotish > > (Vedic > > > Astrology) and Remedies group) here in our forum for other KP > > > learners like me to gain practical knowledge on the basis of > real > > > charts ?. Or Reposting of your own selection of the most > > > appropraiate readings is highly appreciated for the benefit of > KP > > > learners because such readings of yours are not yet available > here > > up > > > to now.> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>The poimts which I am saying about Rahu/Ketu significators > are > > not> > > >>>being understood. In Kp lenghty explainations makes things > > > >>>difficult to comprehend many times.> > > > > > 8. What you're saying first case and second case is well > > understood > > > as mentioned above and nothing new or controversial since it is > > just > > > a factual statement that there is a difference between the > results > > of > > > Rahu as a planet and Rahu as a sublord.> > > > > > 9. Regarding another point what you're saying, for Rahu as a > > sublord > > > (in simple language) > > > > > > >>for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > > >>d]. Not b] which comes into picture different way." > > > > > > I've already mentioned that Bhatt and my elder KP brother do not > > > inclued the result of b/ for the case "Rahu as a sublord" and > any > > KSK > > > example has not yet been found for the inclusion of the b/ > result > > in > > > such a case, i.e. what i've mentioned is nothing contrary with > > your > > > statement.> > > > > > 10. However contrary to your saying of "KP lengthy > expalnation", > > > even though we love to read KSK's writing as much as > > > possible,the "explanation" about Rahu/Kethu signification is > only > > > quarter page of p 123 and about half page of p 124 in KP Reader > > III; > > > the mentioned a/ to d/ four rules are repeated in KP Reader VI, > > 1978, > > > pp 187, 212, 274 & 276 in full and p 207 & p 232 in part but > just > > > statement "without any explanation"; in Reader II, p 316 > statement > > in > > > part and a paragraph of background reference from > Uthrakalamrita, > > p > > > 315. > > > > > > > > > Best regards and HOLI to you and all,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" <indervohra2001> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear TW853,> > > > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. > He > > > was > > > > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules.> > > > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > > etc.> > > > I am trying to say:> > > > In Kp we are working at three levels.> > > > 1] Source planet. X> > > > 2]star planet Y> > > > & 3]sub planet Z> > > > > > > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star > > planet > > > > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted > > that > > > > house and house owned by Y. These results are further modified > > > [also > > > > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted.> > > > > > > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of > a > > > > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu > > represents > > > > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > > results > > > of > > > > Star planet. So this is a big difference.> > > > > > > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see thousands > > of > > > > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > > > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example.> > > > Thanks. happy HOLI.> > > > Inder> > > > > > > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder,> > > > > > > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of ---> > > > > > > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD> > > > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by the > > node> > > > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: > > > Nakshatra> > > > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246)> > > > > > > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt > > planets > > > > are > > > > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP elder > > > > brother > > > > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, > does > > > not > > > > > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, "If any DBA lord > in > > > the > > > > > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by > > the > > > > nodes > > > > > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign > > lord > > > > > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, > > Jupiter > > > is > > > > in > > > > > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and > > 7th , > > > and > > > > > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore > Jupiter > > > will > > > > > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also 2,7,10 > > and > > > 1 > > > > > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes > > > explained > > > > in > > > > > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > > > > > troublesome.", i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > > > > > > > > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 to > a > > > > > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP > > Reader > > > > III, > > > > > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time > I'll > > > wait > > > > > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the > > > rationale > > > > > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK > > example > > > > > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not > work) > > > next > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > 4) The issue of "TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S > INFLUENCE > > > > > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS" has been put > > for > > > > > research. "Many general rules which should not be strictly > > > applied.> > > > > Many modifications are to be included." KP Reader III.> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > > > <lyrastro1> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Inder,> > > > > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per > K.P.> > > > > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes in > > > > > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply...> > > > > > As far as what the rule states it is very > > > > clear...if > > > > > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord > > > also...> > > > > > lyrastro1> > > > > > > > > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur,> > > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of :> > > > > > a]Planets conjoined.> > > > > > b]Rahu's star lord?> > > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside.> > > > > > > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration.> > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P > > in > > > its > > > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of .> > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will > > give > > > > the > > > > > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose > is > > > > posted > > > > > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > > 10th, > > > 2, > > > > > & 9.> > > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > > results > > > > > of > > > > > > planet acting as significators of Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], > > c], & > > > > d].> > > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way.> > > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules.> > > > > > Inder> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Raman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter > > > signifies, > > > > > > Rahu will> > > > > > > signify> > > > > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will > > signify > > > > > both > > > > > > houses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my personal view> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in the > > > > > > constellation > > > > > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator > of > > 12 > > > > > > being in > > > > > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu > > > behave. > > > > > > Will it > > > > > > > > signify 11 or 12.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Rongaunt> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as > > agents > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined> > > > > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord> > > > > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them> > > > > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will > signify > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of the > > same > > > > > > house as> > > > > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me > > know > > > > > > whether> > > > > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses > > where > > > that> > > > > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a > > significator > > > of > > > > > > houses> > > > > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say > > > Jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie > > Cancer, > > > > > would > > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Dear Lajmi ji, I didn't ask you about RP or KP Annuals which I do have since 1999 issuses. What I have asked you is whether you can present a case of sub sub theory in simple language for members to start learning. Since it can not be prsented or practiced by a person like you with a high level of KP expertise, I'm wondering how it can be practically useful for KP learners. Just mentioning the name whithout knowing anything for sure is not helpful for learning KP. Thanks and best regards, , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear tw853, > Dear tw, > Pl. refer to K.P & Astrology,the strongest planet among the RPs,and preferably that among the planets signifying the karaka should be taken, naturally,I suppose... > As I have already said,I am still experimenting with the sub-sub theory,and as I am a professional astrologer,I will only use it in " live cases " and preserve them on my computer,only after I master this system... > Till such time,I'm afraid,you will have to wait... > M/s Balachandran's and the late Pt. K.R.Kar's articles on this theory.and also an interesting article equating sub-sub to Navamsa of Navamsa(N/N),by Pt.Kar have appeasred in the K.P. & Astrology Magazine since 1995 atleast... > I'm afraid,I do not have a scanner,so necessary for mailing the article to you verbatim... > You will have to ask for old issues from Hariman Booksellers or Mr.K.Subramaniam himself ... > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Lajmi ji, > > 1. Instead of mentioning about the sub sub theory only by name again > and again, could you present a " single " case even for " only one > event " , say marriage or foreign travel, by sub sub theory introduced > in KP Year Books in order to make members able to start from A,B,C of > the theory and to see whether it is practically applicable for them > in accordance with Guruji KSK's intention, i.e. " K.P. can be followed > by even a layman not knowing , previously, anything about > astrology. " ? (KP Reader VI, p 67). > > 2. Referring to my posting " Which sub sub to take?, Part I " which > SW's sub subs would you recommand to use? Part II will be followed > to-night. > > > Thanks and best regrds, > > tw > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > Moreover,K.P., is being constantly embellished > by the findings of research scholars...over the years, the focus is > slowly shifting on to the sub-sub-method,first written about,very > well, by two great stalwarts of K.P., the late Pt. Keshub Ranjan > Kar,and Prof Balachandran...their articles have been regulatrly > appearing from as early as in the 1995 & 1996 Annual Issues.. > > Dr. Kar's DRPE theory " Day Rise Planetary > Effects' in horary astrology is an interesting insight into K.P., and > perhaps goes to prove that the Planets ALWAYS reveal the truth... > regardless of the method one follows...like judging a horoscope > (horary) from the Xth cusp as Ascendant...etc... > > Mr.Raichur's Software provides for this > option,one can choose the house to be considered as the Ascendant, > that he wishes to.... > > A lot of further research is being done to fine- > tune K.P., my friends,to make predicting more accurate and precise... > > Researchers like Prof Balachandran et al,are > working very hard indeed...kudos to them...and May God give more > strength to their elbows...! > > Compared to the many stalwarts actively using the > sub-sub method,i feel that the majority of the members of this group > are at the Intermediate level,whereas the stalwarts are Ph.D's...! > > With best wishes, > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > If we see KP readers, Guruji in earlier wrtings said take Moon or > > > lagna which ever is more strong. > > > > 1. Could you kindly provide the Ref KP Reader & p number, please? > > > > > > > In earlier writings star was given much importance which shifted > > > more and more for sub. > > > > 2. Could you kindly provide the specific Ref for " earlier > > writings " , please? > > > > 3. It is not " shifting " but " discovery " . " This discovery has > > crowned me with success " . (KP Reader III, p 137, KP Reader V, p > 137, > > KP Reader VI, p 81) > > > > 3. Knowledge of Tranditionals is a credit, not debit, for better > > understanding of two pillars of KP, i.e. traditional zodiac and > > unpropotionate Vimshottari dasa system (third pillar is the Western > > Placidus house system) and for tracing the origin of Prof. > > Balachandran's application of Kethu's aspect. > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > Your mail is very big to give appropriate reply. > > > If we see KP readers, Guruji in earlier wrtings said take Moon or > > > lagna which ever is more strong. Later, he gave rulings for > lagana > > > only. > > > In earlier writings star was given much importance which shifted > > > more and more for sub. > > > At one point, he also gave ruling that if in any planet's star no > > > planet is posted then planets posted in its sign can be important. > > > [this is somewhere in Reader on marriage & children]. > > > I am a humble student of KP and trying to learn through internet > > > only as I am not a practicing astrologer.I did not study > > traditional > > > Vedic astrology.I am also not boasting anything.Only trying to > > learn > > > and discuss. > > > Rahu/ketu are always for confusion. > > > Good wishes > > > Inder > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > > > >>>Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the > rules. > > > He > > > > >>>was genius. Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Could you be kind enough to mention some of " Many changes > > > keep > > > > on occuring on these rules " for the benefits of KP learners > like > > > me, > > > > of course with articular references for our study. Because > > nothing > > > > hasn't been found in this regards, when I've earlier gone > > through > > > all > > > > of your KP " reading many many charts " in · > > > Jyotish > > > > (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies group with the hope to learn > > > whatever > > > > available for KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of > rules > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Issue = question that raises for discussion, the point > being > > > > discussed (Oxford Advanced learners's Dictionary of Current > > > English > > > > by A. S. Hornby ) > > > > > > > > >> Dear Raichur, > > > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, P > > in > > > its > > > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of . > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will > > give > > > > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > > > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > > > 10th, > > > > 2,> & 9. > > > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > > results > > > > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], > > c], & > > > > d]. > > > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > >>I am trying to say: > > > > >>In Kp we are working at three levels. > > > > >>1] Source planet. X > > > > >>2]star planet Y > > > > >> & 3]sub planet Z > > > > > > > > >>X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star > > planet > > > > >>says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted > > that > > > > >>house and house owned by Y. These results are further > modified > > > [also > > > > >>fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > > > > > > > 3. " Hence Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature > > of > > > > the result and the SUB is a deciding factor whether the matter > > is > > > > favourable or not " . (KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 129; > Reader > > > V, > > > > 1983, p 129) > > > > > > > > " But the `deciding' factor, good or bad, success or failure is > > > shown > > > > by the sub occupied by the significator. " (Reader III, p 138; > > > Reader > > > > V, p 138; Reader VI, p 81) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of > a > > > > >>planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu > > represents > > > > >>sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > > > results > > > > >>of Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > > > > > > > >>If you understand what I say above, then you may see > thousands > > of > > > > >>examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > > > >>interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. This " big difference " has been very clearly differentiated > > by > > > > sample language of " Rahu and Kethu as planet " for your first > > case > > > > and " Rahu and Kethu as starlord " for your second case in tems > of > > > > Nakshatra Chintamani and " If the node itself is DBA lord " for > > your > > > > first case and " If any DBA lord in the star of nodes " for your > > > second > > > > case in my elder brother's letter. > > > > > > > > 5. Sincec this a basic factual statement that there is a > > > difference > > > > between the results of Rahu and Kethu as a planet and as a > > > sublord, > > > > there is no contradiction or agreement or controversy without > > > > requiring any example. If you can, any example, preferably from > > > > KSK's, is highly appreciated for better understanding of what > > > you're > > > > saying " any contradiction example. " > > > > > > > > >>2. But why western aspects (not Hindu)? Hindu aspects have > > been > > > used > > > > >>in examples of KP Readers III, IV, V & VI even though a study > > of > > > > >>western aspects is encouraged by Guruji KSK. (msg #3203) > > > > > > > > 6. In response to the above question to you, could you kindly > > > > provide any single KSK example of applying western aspects > from > > > > thousands as mentioned by you. > > > > > > > > >>>Everything I learnt is from KP Readers and my experience > > mostly > > > on > > > > >>>Internet reading many many charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. With your kind permission, could I repost some of your > > > > KP " reading many many charts " (in · Jyotish > > > (Vedic > > > > Astrology) and Remedies group) here in our forum for other KP > > > > learners like me to gain practical knowledge on the basis of > > real > > > > charts ?. Or Reposting of your own selection of the most > > > > appropraiate readings is highly appreciated for the benefit of > > KP > > > > learners because such readings of yours are not yet available > > here > > > up > > > > to now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>The poimts which I am saying about Rahu/Ketu significators > > are > > > not > > > > >>>being understood. In Kp lenghty explainations makes things > > > > >>>difficult to comprehend many times. > > > > > > > > 8. What you're saying first case and second case is well > > > understood > > > > as mentioned above and nothing new or controversial since it is > > > just > > > > a factual statement that there is a difference between the > > results > > > of > > > > Rahu as a planet and Rahu as a sublord. > > > > > > > > 9. Regarding another point what you're saying, for Rahu as a > > > sublord > > > > (in simple language) > > > > > > > > >>for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > > > >>d]. Not b] which comes into picture different way. " > > > > > > > > I've already mentioned that Bhatt and my elder KP brother do > not > > > > inclued the result of b/ for the case " Rahu as a sublord " and > > any > > > KSK > > > > example has not yet been found for the inclusion of the b/ > > result > > > in > > > > such a case, i.e. what i've mentioned is nothing contrary with > > > your > > > > statement. > > > > > > > > 10. However contrary to your saying of " KP lengthy > > expalnation " , > > > > even though we love to read KSK's writing as much as > > > > possible,the " explanation " about Rahu/Kethu signification is > > only > > > > quarter page of p 123 and about half page of p 124 in KP Reader > > > III; > > > > the mentioned a/ to d/ four rules are repeated in KP Reader VI, > > > 1978, > > > > pp 187, 212, 274 & 276 in full and p 207 & p 232 in part but > > just > > > > statement " without any explanation " ; in Reader II, p 316 > > statement > > > in > > > > part and a paragraph of background reference from > > Uthrakalamrita, > > > p > > > > 315. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and HOLI to you and all, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Inder " > <indervohra2001> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear TW853, > > > > > Our Guru while writing the KP readers was evolving the rules. > > He > > > > was > > > > > genius.Many changes keep on occuring on these rules. > > > > > However, I am not raising any issue regarding change of rules > > > etc. > > > > > I am trying to say: > > > > > In Kp we are working at three levels. > > > > > 1] Source planet. X > > > > > 2]star planet Y > > > > > & 3]sub planet Z > > > > > > > > > > X planet in its dasa/bhukti will give results of what star > > > planet > > > > > says. X signifies Y. X gives results of Y. Where Y is posted > > > that > > > > > house and house owned by Y. These results are further > modified > > > > [also > > > > > fruitfulness of X] by sub planet Z, where X is posted. > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu in a sign represents that sign but Rahu in a star of > > a > > > > > planet will give its results. In first case it is Rahu > > > represents > > > > > sign lord as first source planetX. In second case it gives > > > results > > > > of > > > > > Star planet. So this is a big difference. > > > > > > > > > > If you understand what I say above, then you may see > thousands > > > of > > > > > examples by Guruji or later writers,this is how it is to be > > > > > interpreted. Give me any contradiction example. > > > > > Thanks. happy HOLI. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) As far as I understand you're raising the issue of --- > > > > > > > > > > > > FULL OR PARTIAL TREATMENT FOR RAHU AND KETHU AS STARLORD > > > > > > 6. Only influence of depositor and the house occupied by > the > > > node > > > > > > has been taken by some astrologers, e.g. Chandra B. Bhatt: > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > Chintamani, p 19. (Msg #3246) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) As per Bhatt, not only STARLORD but also conj or aspt > > > planets > > > > > are > > > > > > not included as mentioned above. Although my senior KP > elder > > > > > brother > > > > > > of over 35 yrs KP learning, out of 50 yrs study of Vedic, > > does > > > > not > > > > > > have Nakshatra Chintamani, he wrote to me, " If any DBA lord > > in > > > > the > > > > > > star of nodes, it will give the result of bhava occupied by > > > the > > > > > nodes > > > > > > and also the result of occupation and ownership of the sign > > > lord > > > > > > occupied by the node. For example, in Bethoven's chart, > > > Jupiter > > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > Kethu star. Kethu is in Rishaba. Venus is lord of 2nd and > > > 7th , > > > > and > > > > > > deposied in 10th. Kethu in 1st as per bhava. Therefore > > Jupiter > > > > will > > > > > > give the result of 9th as per its occupation,and also > 2,7,10 > > > and > > > > 1 > > > > > > houses. If the node itself is DBA lord, rules for nodes > > > > explained > > > > > in > > > > > > KP Reader III are to be applied. Rahu and Kethu are very > > > > > > troublesome. " , i.e. exactly the same as Bhatt's view. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) One time it was responded very strongly with Msg#1842 > to > > a > > > > > > question to the posting of Rahu and Kethu rules from KP > > > Reader > > > > > III, > > > > > > which is the only place explaining those rules. This time > > I'll > > > > wait > > > > > > for further response of our seniors and need to seek the > > > > rationale > > > > > > from my elder KP brother. I'll let you know about the KSK > > > example > > > > > > (regarding your bold statement that the SUBLORD does not > > work) > > > > next > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) The issue of " TO TAKE OR NOT TO TAKE DEPOSITOR'S > > INFLUENCE > > > > > > TOGETHER WITH CONJOINING OR ASPECTING PLANETS " has been put > > > for > > > > > > research. " Many general rules which should not be strictly > > > > applied. > > > > > > Many modifications are to be included. " KP Reader III. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > > > > <lyrastro1> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > > The rules given by Mr.Raichur are as per > > K.P. > > > > > > > Pl. interpret correctly,you say b) comes > in > > > > > > differently... Could you pl.elaborate...to enable reply... > > > > > > > As far as what the rule states it is very > > > > > clear...if > > > > > > Rahu is posited in any star,it will represent that starlord > > > > also... > > > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > > > > > You mentioned that Rahu is significator of : > > > > > > > a]Planets conjoined. > > > > > > > b]Rahu's star lord? > > > > > > > c]Planets aspecting Rahu. & > > > > > > > d]Lord of sign where they reside. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here needs some cosideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a planet P is in the constellation of Rahu then, > P > > > in > > > > its > > > > > > > periods will give results of [a], [c], & [d] but not of > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period > will > > > give > > > > > the > > > > > > > results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose > > is > > > > > posted > > > > > > > in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > > > 10th, > > > > 2, > > > > > > & 9. > > > > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > > > results > > > > > > of > > > > > > > planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], > > > c], & > > > > > d]. > > > > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > > > > Please react to my above understanding of KP rules. > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as Agent for Jupiter. So whatever Jupiter > > > > signifies, > > > > > > > Rahu will > > > > > > > > signify > > > > > > > > As Jupiter signifies 11 and 12 Rahu as the agent will > > > signify > > > > > > both > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my personal view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ramsy37 <ramsy37> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is the significator of 11 by being in > the > > > > > > > constellation > > > > > > > > > of Jupiter in 11; whereas Jupiter is the significator > > of > > > 12 > > > > > > > being in > > > > > > > > > the constellation of a plant in 12. Which way Rahu > > > > behave. > > > > > > > Will it > > > > > > > > > signify 11 or 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rongaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rules for Rahu/Ketu are clear cut. They ACT as > > > agents > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. the planet withwhich they are conjoined > > > > > > > > > > 2. Thier Star Lord > > > > > > > > > > 3. Planets which Aspect Them > > > > > > > > > > 4. The Lord of the Sign in which they reside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This in order of importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally if Rahu is agent of Jupiter, he will > > signify > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that Rahu and Ketu are significators of > the > > > same > > > > > > > house as > > > > > > > > > > > their dispositor. But can someone please let me > > > know > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > they are also the significators of OTHER houses > > > where > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > dispositor is also a significator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Rahu is in Pisces and would be a > > > significator > > > > of > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > where Jupiter is Lord. However in this case say > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > significator in the sign where Moon is Lord ie > > > Cancer, > > > > > > would > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > also be considered as significator for this house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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