Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 -Dear Anant Raichur, KINDLY LET ME KNOW WHAT IS MEANT BY RAHU KETU RELEASE ? THANKING YOU VERY MUCH SUNIL.S.DEVARU > > Dear Tin Win > > Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have > aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one > > cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and > Ketu Aspects Ketu always. > > So if they are not conjunct with any other planet, > Rahu must act as Ketu and > > Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK > has said or used. > > However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu > has to act as his agent. > > At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th > aspect, and so Ketu also > > becomes his agent. > > > KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional > astrology treats them as > planets > > allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends, > enemies etc. > > One cannot follow both at the same time. > > Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to > check what the sub says > > by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in > which Resides. Then decide > > wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated > by the Star Lord. > > In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own > any houses, one has to > > consider only the House where it is, and decide > wether it is favourable or > > not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the > Rahu here also as an agent > > and substite it by the Planet it represents. This > requires research in > > exanples in KP readers. > > Hope this is helpful > --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > > > 1. Thank you for your comments. > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have > ASPECTS, not even the > > 7th ASPECT. > > > > Unquote > > > > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do > not have physical > > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's > 7th, 9th and 12th > > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > > > which generally coincides with--- > > > > " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and > 12 fully, 2 and 10 > > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara > Kalamrita Kalidasa by > > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under > " Notes " (Message #3246) > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which > aspect HIM. If 7th > > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of > Ketu, when Rahu is > > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is > possible for BOTH Rahu > > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is > conjunct with one > > of them and aspetcs the other. > > > > Unquote > > > > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the > following Guruji KSK's > > writings in his original KP Readers. > > > > > > 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate > the results of the > > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is > in conjunction with > > them they bestow the results of the planets > aspecting them. If Rahu > > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected > by any planet, it > > offers the results of the lord of the > constellation in which it is > > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- > KP Reader III, > > 1984, p 123-124, > > > > which generally coincides with the following > quotation by KSK, except > > the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of > the lord of the > > constellation in which it is deposited " . > > > > " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the > planets to which they > > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any > planet, then they > > give the results of the planet which aspects them. > Only when they are > > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any > planet, they represent > > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI > Sloka 14 onwards) " - > > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 > > > > > > > > 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be > cancelled by Kethu's > > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate > SEPERATELY in their > > respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and > examples, to get a > > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as > per KP. > > > > Unquote > > > > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature > of six KP Readers, > > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current > KP Annuals since > > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of > Rahu and Kethu have > > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal > Krishna Singh > > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP > Year Book, 1999, p 26, > > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th > and 12th aspects in > > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. > > > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 > of KP Reader III, > > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are > the ONLY places > > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of > Rahu and Kethu; > > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight > difference order of > > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in > full, i.e. all four > > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 > (Edition 1978), and > > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in > KP Reader VI, p 207 > > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in > Reader V, p 155 > > (Eition 1983) . > > > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his > crowing that the > > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with > success) simultaneously > > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, > pp 139-144 and KP > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Dear Raichur, Your last para : In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we have to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily the sign lord. For example if a planetA is in sub of Rahu and Rahu is in star of Mercury in 11th house then it is very fruitful.Same Rahu in sign of say Moon in 8th house may indicate difficulties but it[A] will give success as it is in Rahu sub which is signficator of Mercury in 11th. Inder > > Dear Tin Win > > > > Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have > > aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one > > > > cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and > > Ketu Aspects Ketu always. > > > > So if they are not conjunct with any other planet, > > Rahu must act as Ketu and > > > > Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK > > has said or used. > > > > However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu > > has to act as his agent. > > > > At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th > > aspect, and so Ketu also > > > > becomes his agent. > > > > > > KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional > > astrology treats them as > > planets > > > > allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends, > > enemies etc. > > > > One cannot follow both at the same time. > > > > Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to > > check what the sub says > > > > by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in > > which Resides. Then decide > > > > wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated > > by the Star Lord. > > > > In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own > > any houses, one has to > > > > consider only the House where it is, and decide > > wether it is favourable or > > > > not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the > > Rahu here also as an agent > > > > and substite it by the Planet it represents. This > > requires research in > > > > exanples in KP readers. > > > > Hope this is helpful > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > > > > > 1. Thank you for your comments. > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have > > ASPECTS, not even the > > > 7th ASPECT. > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do > > not have physical > > > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's > > 7th, 9th and 12th > > > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > > > > > which generally coincides with--- > > > > > > " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and > > 12 fully, 2 and 10 > > > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara > > Kalamrita Kalidasa by > > > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under > > " Notes " (Message #3246) > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which > > aspect HIM. If 7th > > > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of > > Ketu, when Rahu is > > > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is > > possible for BOTH Rahu > > > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is > > conjunct with one > > > of them and aspetcs the other. > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the > > following Guruji KSK's > > > writings in his original KP Readers. > > > > > > > > > 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate > > the results of the > > > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is > > in conjunction with > > > them they bestow the results of the planets > > aspecting them. If Rahu > > > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected > > by any planet, it > > > offers the results of the lord of the > > constellation in which it is > > > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- > > KP Reader III, > > > 1984, p 123-124, > > > > > > which generally coincides with the following > > quotation by KSK, except > > > the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of > > the lord of the > > > constellation in which it is deposited " . > > > > > > " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the > > planets to which they > > > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any > > planet, then they > > > give the results of the planet which aspects them. > > Only when they are > > > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any > > planet, they represent > > > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI > > Sloka 14 onwards) " - > > > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be > > cancelled by Kethu's > > > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate > > SEPERATELY in their > > > respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and > > examples, to get a > > > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as > > per KP. > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature > > of six KP Readers, > > > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current > > KP Annuals since > > > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of > > Rahu and Kethu have > > > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal > > Krishna Singh > > > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP > > Year Book, 1999, p 26, > > > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th > > and 12th aspects in > > > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. > > > > > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 > > of KP Reader III, > > > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are > > the ONLY places > > > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of > > Rahu and Kethu; > > > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight > > difference order of > > > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in > > full, i.e. all four > > > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 > > (Edition 1978), and > > > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in > > KP Reader VI, p 207 > > > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in > > Reader V, p 155 > > > (Eition 1983) . > > > > > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his > > crowing that the > > > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with > > success) simultaneously > > > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, > > pp 139-144 and KP > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Dear Inder, 1. You've raised a good point, if I understand correctly in simple language, to apply " Starlord rule " with a priority order of importanace higher than " Signlord rule " of Rahu and Kethu in the case of Rahu and Kethu as a " Sublord " . 2. Such kind of priority is noted in KP Reader III, p 123-124 (Edition 1984); KP Reader V, p 123-124 (Edition 1983) ; KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978); especially " imagine as though the lord of the constellation is deposited in that house in which Rahu or Kethu was tenanted " . 3. However, the application of " Sublord rule " in the case of Rahu and Kethu as a " Sublord " is an issue in the review of KSK examples, and so could you kindly provide any reference to your statement below to add to the only one finding of mine until now in my review of examples in KP Readers regarding rules of Rahu and Kethu. >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we have >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily >>the sign lord. 4. Counld you kindly also clarify your view clearly " not to apply " or to " apply " the " Starlord rule " in the case of Rahu and Kethu as a " Starlod " in the following statement (as far as I understand-- " not " ) and give nay reference because this is also an issue in the review of KSK examples. > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, 2, & 9. > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & d]. > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. Thanks and best regards, tw , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Raichur, > Your last para : > In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we have > to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily > the sign lord. > For example if a planetA is in sub of Rahu and Rahu is in star of > Mercury in 11th house then it is very fruitful.Same Rahu in sign of > say Moon in 8th house may indicate difficulties but it[A] will give > success as it is in Rahu sub which is signficator of Mercury in > 11th. > Inder > > > Dear Tin Win > > > > > > Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have > > > aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one > > > > > > cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and > > > Ketu Aspects Ketu always. > > > > > > So if they are not conjunct with any other planet, > > > Rahu must act as Ketu and > > > > > > Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK > > > has said or used. > > > > > > However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu > > > has to act as his agent. > > > > > > At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th > > > aspect, and so Ketu also > > > > > > becomes his agent. > > > > > > > > > KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional > > > astrology treats them as > > > planets > > > > > > allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends, > > > enemies etc. > > > > > > One cannot follow both at the same time. > > > > > > Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to > > > check what the sub says > > > > > > by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in > > > which Resides. Then decide > > > > > > wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated > > > by the Star Lord. > > > > > > In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own > > > any houses, one has to > > > > > > consider only the House where it is, and decide > > > wether it is favourable or > > > > > > not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the > > > Rahu here also as an agent > > > > > > and substite it by the Planet it represents. This > > > requires research in > > > > > > exanples in KP readers. > > > > > > Hope this is helpful > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for your comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have > > > ASPECTS, not even the > > > > 7th ASPECT. > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do > > > not have physical > > > > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's > > > 7th, 9th and 12th > > > > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with--- > > > > > > > > " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and > > > 12 fully, 2 and 10 > > > > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara > > > Kalamrita Kalidasa by > > > > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under > > > " Notes " (Message #3246) > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which > > > aspect HIM. If 7th > > > > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of > > > Ketu, when Rahu is > > > > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is > > > possible for BOTH Rahu > > > > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is > > > conjunct with one > > > > of them and aspetcs the other. > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the > > > following Guruji KSK's > > > > writings in his original KP Readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate > > > the results of the > > > > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is > > > in conjunction with > > > > them they bestow the results of the planets > > > aspecting them. If Rahu > > > > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected > > > by any planet, it > > > > offers the results of the lord of the > > > constellation in which it is > > > > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- > > > KP Reader III, > > > > 1984, p 123-124, > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with the following > > > quotation by KSK, except > > > > the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of > > > the lord of the > > > > constellation in which it is deposited " . > > > > > > > > " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the > > > planets to which they > > > > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any > > > planet, then they > > > > give the results of the planet which aspects them. > > > Only when they are > > > > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any > > > planet, they represent > > > > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI > > > Sloka 14 onwards) " - > > > > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be > > > cancelled by Kethu's > > > > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate > > > SEPERATELY in their > > > > respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and > > > examples, to get a > > > > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as > > > per KP. > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature > > > of six KP Readers, > > > > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current > > > KP Annuals since > > > > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of > > > Rahu and Kethu have > > > > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal > > > Krishna Singh > > > > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP > > > Year Book, 1999, p 26, > > > > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th > > > and 12th aspects in > > > > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. > > > > > > > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 > > > of KP Reader III, > > > > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are > > > the ONLY places > > > > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of > > > Rahu and Kethu; > > > > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight > > > difference order of > > > > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in > > > full, i.e. all four > > > > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 > > > (Edition 1978), and > > > > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in > > > KP Reader VI, p 207 > > > > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in > > > Reader V, p 155 > > > > (Eition 1983) . > > > > > > > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his > > > crowing that the > > > > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with > > > success) simultaneously > > > > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, > > > pp 139-144 and KP > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Dear TW853, Basic rule is: A planet signfies the star lord where it is posted. This is applicable to Rahu/ketu. Suppose Rahu is in star of Venus , rahu will signfy Venus its position and houses venus owns. But conjunction/aspect or sign owner is not signficator of rahu. But rahu represent these. Say Mer is conjunt Rahu in Leo , then Rahu is representing Sun and Mercury. Now say mercury is in star of Jupiter. So Merury signfies Jupiter. When will you get Mercury results. Planets in the star of Rahu will give rahu results that means Mercury signfying Jupiter's results. At sub level rahu sub means what is being signfied by rahu. Rahu will signfy the star lord where it is posted. It will also signfy rahu itself if no planets are in the star of rahu. So primarily it signfy star and secondarily it signfies rahu itself. I hope I have clarified what i understand. Inder , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > 1. You've raised a good point, if I understand correctly in > simple language, to apply " Starlord rule " with a priority order of > importanace higher than " Signlord rule " of Rahu and Kethu in the case > of Rahu and Kethu as a " Sublord " . > > 2. Such kind of priority is noted in KP Reader III, p 123-124 > (Edition 1984); KP Reader V, p 123-124 (Edition 1983) ; KP Reader VI, > p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978); especially " imagine as though > the lord of the constellation is deposited in that house in which > Rahu or Kethu was tenanted " . > > 3. However, the application of " Sublord rule " in the case of Rahu > and Kethu as a " Sublord " is an issue in the review of KSK examples, > and so could you kindly provide any reference to your statement below > to add to the only one finding of mine until now in my review of > examples in KP Readers regarding rules of Rahu and Kethu. > > >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we have > >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily > >>the sign lord. > > > 4. Counld you kindly also clarify your view clearly " not to apply " or > to " apply " the " Starlord rule " in the case of Rahu and Kethu as > a " Starlod " in the following statement (as far as I understand-- > " not " ) and give nay reference because this is also an issue in the > review of KSK examples. > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, > 2, & 9. > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > d]. > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > tw > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > wrote: > > > > Dear Raichur, > > Your last para : > > In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we have > > to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily > > the sign lord. > > For example if a planetA is in sub of Rahu and Rahu is in star of > > Mercury in 11th house then it is very fruitful.Same Rahu in sign of > > say Moon in 8th house may indicate difficulties but it[A] will give > > success as it is in Rahu sub which is signficator of Mercury in > > 11th. > > Inder > > > > Dear Tin Win > > > > > > > > Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have > > > > aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one > > > > > > > > cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and > > > > Ketu Aspects Ketu always. > > > > > > > > So if they are not conjunct with any other planet, > > > > Rahu must act as Ketu and > > > > > > > > Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK > > > > has said or used. > > > > > > > > However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu > > > > has to act as his agent. > > > > > > > > At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th > > > > aspect, and so Ketu also > > > > > > > > becomes his agent. > > > > > > > > > > > > KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional > > > > astrology treats them as > > > > planets > > > > > > > > allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends, > > > > enemies etc. > > > > > > > > One cannot follow both at the same time. > > > > > > > > Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to > > > > check what the sub says > > > > > > > > by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in > > > > which Resides. Then decide > > > > > > > > wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated > > > > by the Star Lord. > > > > > > > > In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own > > > > any houses, one has to > > > > > > > > consider only the House where it is, and decide > > > > wether it is favourable or > > > > > > > > not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the > > > > Rahu here also as an agent > > > > > > > > and substite it by the Planet it represents. This > > > > requires research in > > > > > > > > exanples in KP readers. > > > > > > > > Hope this is helpful > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for your comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have > > > > ASPECTS, not even the > > > > > 7th ASPECT. > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do > > > > not have physical > > > > > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's > > > > 7th, 9th and 12th > > > > > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with--- > > > > > > > > > > " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and > > > > 12 fully, 2 and 10 > > > > > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara > > > > Kalamrita Kalidasa by > > > > > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under > > > > " Notes " (Message #3246) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which > > > > aspect HIM. If 7th > > > > > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of > > > > Ketu, when Rahu is > > > > > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is > > > > possible for BOTH Rahu > > > > > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is > > > > conjunct with one > > > > > of them and aspetcs the other. > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the > > > > following Guruji KSK's > > > > > writings in his original KP Readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate > > > > the results of the > > > > > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is > > > > in conjunction with > > > > > them they bestow the results of the planets > > > > aspecting them. If Rahu > > > > > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected > > > > by any planet, it > > > > > offers the results of the lord of the > > > > constellation in which it is > > > > > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- > > > > KP Reader III, > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with the following > > > > quotation by KSK, except > > > > > the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of > > > > the lord of the > > > > > constellation in which it is deposited " . > > > > > > > > > > " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the > > > > planets to which they > > > > > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any > > > > planet, then they > > > > > give the results of the planet which aspects them. > > > > Only when they are > > > > > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any > > > > planet, they represent > > > > > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI > > > > Sloka 14 onwards) " - > > > > > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be > > > > cancelled by Kethu's > > > > > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate > > > > SEPERATELY in their > > > > > respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and > > > > examples, to get a > > > > > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as > > > > per KP. > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature > > > > of six KP Readers, > > > > > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current > > > > KP Annuals since > > > > > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of > > > > Rahu and Kethu have > > > > > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal > > > > Krishna Singh > > > > > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP > > > > Year Book, 1999, p 26, > > > > > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th > > > > and 12th aspects in > > > > > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. > > > > > > > > > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 > > > > of KP Reader III, > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are > > > > the ONLY places > > > > > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of > > > > Rahu and Kethu; > > > > > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight > > > > difference order of > > > > > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in > > > > full, i.e. all four > > > > > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 > > > > (Edition 1978), and > > > > > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in > > > > KP Reader VI, p 207 > > > > > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in > > > > Reader V, p 155 > > > > > (Eition 1983) . > > > > > > > > > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his > > > > crowing that the > > > > > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with > > > > success) simultaneously > > > > > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, > > > > pp 139-144 and KP > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Dear Inder & all members, Pl. refer to Mr. Raichur et al's message, in this group itself...it is very clear,in the order of importance,and as per K.P. ! Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: Dear TW853,Basic rule is: A planet signfies the star lord where it is posted. This is applicable to Rahu/ketu.Suppose Rahu is in star of Venus , rahu will signfy Venus its position and houses venus owns.But conjunction/aspect or sign owner is not signficator of rahu. But rahu represent these.Say Mer is conjunt Rahu in Leo , then Rahu is representing Sun and Mercury.Now say mercury is in star of Jupiter. So Merury signfies Jupiter.When will you get Mercury results.Planets in the star of Rahu will give rahu results that means Mercury signfying Jupiter's results.At sub level rahu sub means what is being signfied by rahu. Rahu will signfy the star lord where it is posted. It will also signfy rahu itself if no planets are in the star of rahu.So primarily it signfy star and secondarily it signfies rahu itself.I hope I have clarified what i understand.Inder , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > Dear Inder,> > 1. You've raised a good point, if I understand correctly in > simple language, to apply "Starlord rule" with a priority order of > importanace higher than "Signlord rule" of Rahu and Kethu in the case > of Rahu and Kethu as a "Sublord". > > 2. Such kind of priority is noted in KP Reader III, p 123-124 > (Edition 1984); KP Reader V, p 123-124 (Edition 1983) ; KP Reader VI, > p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978); especially "imagine as though > the lord of the constellation is deposited in that house in which > Rahu or Kethu was tenanted".> > 3. However, the application of "Sublord rule" in the case of Rahu > and Kethu as a "Sublord" is an issue in the review of KSK examples, > and so could you kindly provide any reference to your statement below > to add to the only one finding of mine until now in my review of > examples in KP Readers regarding rules of Rahu and Kethu.> > >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we have> >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily> >>the sign lord.> > > 4. Counld you kindly also clarify your view clearly "not to apply" or > to "apply" the "Starlord rule" in the case of Rahu and Kethu as > a "Starlod" in the following statement (as far as I understand--> "not") and give nay reference because this is also an issue in the > review of KSK examples.> > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give> the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is> posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th,> 2, & 9.> > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results> > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu.> > >> > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > d].> > > Not b] which comes into picture different way.> > > > Thanks and best regards,> > > tw> > > , "Inder" <indervohra2001> > wrote:> > > > Dear Raichur,> > Your last para :> > In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we have > > to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily > > the sign lord.> > For example if a planetA is in sub of Rahu and Rahu is in star of > > Mercury in 11th house then it is very fruitful.Same Rahu in sign of > > say Moon in 8th house may indicate difficulties but it[A] will give > > success as it is in Rahu sub which is signficator of Mercury in > > 11th. > > Inder > > > > Dear Tin Win> > > > > > > > Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have> > > > aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one> > > > > > > > cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and> > > > Ketu Aspects Ketu always.> > > > > > > > So if they are not conjunct with any other planet,> > > > Rahu must act as Ketu and > > > > > > > > Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK> > > > has said or used.> > > > > > > > However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu> > > > has to act as his agent.> > > > > > > > At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th> > > > aspect, and so Ketu also> > > > > > > > becomes his agent.> > > > > > > > > > > > KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional> > > > astrology treats them as> > > > planets> > > > > > > > allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends,> > > > enemies etc.> > > > > > > > One cannot follow both at the same time.> > > > > > > > Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to> > > > check what the sub says> > > > > > > > by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in> > > > which Resides. Then decide > > > > > > > > wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated> > > > by the Star Lord.> > > > > > > > In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own> > > > any houses, one has to > > > > > > > > consider only the House where it is, and decide> > > > wether it is favourable or> > > > > > > > not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the> > > > Rahu here also as an agent> > > > > > > > and substite it by the Planet it represents. This> > > > requires research in > > > > > > > > exanples in KP readers.> > > > > > > > Hope this is helpful> > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anant Raichur,> > > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for your comments.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have> > > > ASPECTS, not even the > > > > > 7th ASPECT.> > > > > > > > > > Unquote> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do> > > > not have physical > > > > > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's> > > > 7th, 9th and 12th > > > > > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with--- > > > > > > > > > > "According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and> > > > 12 fully, 2 and 10 > > > > > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter." --- Uttara> > > > Kalamrita Kalidasa by > > > > > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under> > > > "Notes" (Message #3246)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote---> > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which> > > > aspect HIM. If 7th > > > > > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of> > > > Ketu, when Rahu is > > > > > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is> > > > possible for BOTH Rahu > > > > > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is> > > > conjunct with one > > > > > of them and aspetcs the other.> > > > > > > > > > Unquote> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the> > > > following Guruji KSK's > > > > > writings in his original KP Readers.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.a/ "As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate> > > > the results of the > > > > > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is> > > > in conjunction with > > > > > them they bestow the results of the planets> > > > aspecting them. If Rahu > > > > > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected> > > > by any planet, it > > > > > offers the results of the lord of the> > > > constellation in which it is > > > > > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign." ---> > > > KP Reader III, > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with the following> > > > quotation by KSK, except > > > > > the addition of the KSK innovation "the results of> > > > the lord of the > > > > > constellation in which it is deposited". > > > > > > > > > > "Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the> > > > planets to which they > > > > > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any> > > > planet, then they > > > > > give the results of the planet which aspects them.> > > > Only when they are > > > > > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any> > > > planet, they represent > > > > > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI> > > > Sloka 14 onwards)" -> > > > > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.b/ "Rahu's beneficial result cannot be> > > > cancelled by Kethu's > > > > > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate> > > > SEPERATELY in their > > > > > respective periods." KP Reader II, p 320> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote---> > > > > > > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and> > > > examples, to get a > > > > > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as> > > > per KP. > > > > > > > > > > Unquote> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature> > > > of six KP Readers, > > > > > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current> > > > KP Annuals since > > > > > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of> > > > Rahu and Kethu have > > > > > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal> > > > Krishna Singh > > > > > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP> > > > Year Book, 1999, p 26, > > > > > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th> > > > and 12th aspects in > > > > > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84.> > > > > > > > > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3> > > > of KP Reader III, > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are> > > > the ONLY places > > > > > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of> > > > Rahu and Kethu; > > > > > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight> > > > difference order of > > > > > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in> > > > full, i.e. all four > > > > > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276> > > > (Edition 1978), and > > > > > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in> > > > KP Reader VI, p 207 > > > > > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in> > > > Reader V, p 155 > > > > > (Eition 1983) . > > > > > > > > > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his> > > > crowing that the > > > > > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with> > > > success) simultaneously > > > > > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V,> > > > pp 139-144 and KP > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Dear Lajmi ji, Please note that " the order of importance " of the Rules of Rahu & Kethu has been referred to " Guruji KSK OROGINALS " in KP Reader III, p 123-124 (Edition 1984) & KP Reader V, p 123-124 (Edition 1983)and KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978). Thanks and best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Inder & all members, > Pl. refer to Mr. Raichur et al's message, in this group itself...it is very clear,in the order of importance,and as per K.P. ! > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear TW853, > Basic rule is: > A planet signfies the star lord where it is posted. This is > applicable to Rahu/ketu. > Suppose Rahu is in star of Venus , rahu will signfy Venus its > position and houses venus owns. > > But conjunction/aspect or sign owner is not signficator of rahu. But > rahu represent these. > Say Mer is conjunt Rahu in Leo , then Rahu is representing Sun and > Mercury. > Now say mercury is in star of Jupiter. So Merury signfies Jupiter. > When will you get Mercury results. > Planets in the star of Rahu will give rahu results that means > Mercury signfying Jupiter's results. > > At sub level rahu sub means what is being signfied by rahu. Rahu > will signfy the star lord where it is posted. It will also signfy > rahu itself if no planets are in the star of rahu. > So primarily it signfy star and secondarily it signfies rahu itself. > I hope I have clarified what i understand. > Inder > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > 1. You've raised a good point, if I understand correctly in > > simple language, to apply " Starlord rule " with a priority order of > > importanace higher than " Signlord rule " of Rahu and Kethu in the > case > > of Rahu and Kethu as a " Sublord " . > > > > 2. Such kind of priority is noted in KP Reader III, p 123- 124 > > (Edition 1984); KP Reader V, p 123-124 (Edition 1983) ; KP Reader > VI, > > p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978); especially " imagine as > though > > the lord of the constellation is deposited in that house in which > > Rahu or Kethu was tenanted " . > > > > 3. However, the application of " Sublord rule " in the case of Rahu > > and Kethu as a " Sublord " is an issue in the review of KSK > examples, > > and so could you kindly provide any reference to your statement > below > > to add to the only one finding of mine until now in my review of > > examples in KP Readers regarding rules of Rahu and Kethu. > > > > >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we > have > > >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily > > >>the sign lord. > > > > > > 4. Counld you kindly also clarify your view clearly " not to apply " > or > > to " apply " the " Starlord rule " in the case of Rahu and Kethu as > > a " Starlod " in the following statement (as far as I understand-- > > " not " ) and give nay reference because this is also an issue in the > > review of KSK examples. > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give > > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > 10th, > > 2, & 9. > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > results > > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > d]. > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > Your last para : > > > In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we > have > > > to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then > secondarily > > > the sign lord. > > > For example if a planetA is in sub of Rahu and Rahu is in star > of > > > Mercury in 11th house then it is very fruitful.Same Rahu in sign > of > > > say Moon in 8th house may indicate difficulties but it[A] will > give > > > success as it is in Rahu sub which is signficator of Mercury in > > > 11th. > > > Inder > > > > > Dear Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have > > > > > aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one > > > > > > > > > > cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and > > > > > Ketu Aspects Ketu always. > > > > > > > > > > So if they are not conjunct with any other planet, > > > > > Rahu must act as Ketu and > > > > > > > > > > Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK > > > > > has said or used. > > > > > > > > > > However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu > > > > > has to act as his agent. > > > > > > > > > > At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th > > > > > aspect, and so Ketu also > > > > > > > > > > becomes his agent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional > > > > > astrology treats them as > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends, > > > > > enemies etc. > > > > > > > > > > One cannot follow both at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to > > > > > check what the sub says > > > > > > > > > > by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in > > > > > which Resides. Then decide > > > > > > > > > > wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated > > > > > by the Star Lord. > > > > > > > > > > In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own > > > > > any houses, one has to > > > > > > > > > > consider only the House where it is, and decide > > > > > wether it is favourable or > > > > > > > > > > not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the > > > > > Rahu here also as an agent > > > > > > > > > > and substite it by the Planet it represents. This > > > > > requires research in > > > > > > > > > > exanples in KP readers. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this is helpful > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for your comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have > > > > > ASPECTS, not even the > > > > > > 7th ASPECT. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do > > > > > not have physical > > > > > > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's > > > > > 7th, 9th and 12th > > > > > > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with--- > > > > > > > > > > > > " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and > > > > > 12 fully, 2 and 10 > > > > > > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara > > > > > Kalamrita Kalidasa by > > > > > > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under > > > > > " Notes " (Message #3246) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which > > > > > aspect HIM. If 7th > > > > > > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of > > > > > Ketu, when Rahu is > > > > > > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is > > > > > possible for BOTH Rahu > > > > > > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is > > > > > conjunct with one > > > > > > of them and aspetcs the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the > > > > > following Guruji KSK's > > > > > > writings in his original KP Readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate > > > > > the results of the > > > > > > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is > > > > > in conjunction with > > > > > > them they bestow the results of the planets > > > > > aspecting them. If Rahu > > > > > > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected > > > > > by any planet, it > > > > > > offers the results of the lord of the > > > > > constellation in which it is > > > > > > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- > > > > > KP Reader III, > > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, > > > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with the following > > > > > quotation by KSK, except > > > > > > the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of > > > > > the lord of the > > > > > > constellation in which it is deposited " . > > > > > > > > > > > > " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the > > > > > planets to which they > > > > > > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any > > > > > planet, then they > > > > > > give the results of the planet which aspects them. > > > > > Only when they are > > > > > > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any > > > > > planet, they represent > > > > > > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI > > > > > Sloka 14 onwards) " - > > > > > > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be > > > > > cancelled by Kethu's > > > > > > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate > > > > > SEPERATELY in their > > > > > > respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and > > > > > examples, to get a > > > > > > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as > > > > > per KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature > > > > > of six KP Readers, > > > > > > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current > > > > > KP Annuals since > > > > > > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of > > > > > Rahu and Kethu have > > > > > > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal > > > > > Krishna Singh > > > > > > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP > > > > > Year Book, 1999, p 26, > > > > > > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th > > > > > and 12th aspects in > > > > > > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 > > > > > of KP Reader III, > > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are > > > > > the ONLY places > > > > > > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of > > > > > Rahu and Kethu; > > > > > > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight > > > > > difference order of > > > > > > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in > > > > > full, i.e. all four > > > > > > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 > > > > > (Edition 1978), and > > > > > > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in > > > > > KP Reader VI, p 207 > > > > > > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in > > > > > Reader V, p 155 > > > > > > (Eition 1983) . > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his > > > > > crowing that the > > > > > > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with > > > > > success) simultaneously > > > > > > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, > > > > > pp 139-144 and KP > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Dear Inder, Thank you for your reply. However, my real request to you is whether any practical example from KP Readers or any other KP literature could be provided in support of your statements or basic rules uoted below in a/ & b/ which will be a great help to my presentation on the review of KSKS examples regrading the rules of Rahu and Kethu. a/ >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we have >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily >>the sign lord. OR At sub level rahu sub means what is being signfied by rahu. Rahu will signfy the star lord where it is posted. It will also signfy rahu itself if no planets are in the star of rahu. So primarily it signfy star and secondarily it signfies rahu itself. (which is different in giving importance to the star lord in— > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, 2, & 9. > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & d]. > > Not b] which comes into picture different way.) b/ Basic rule is: A planet signfies the star lord where it is posted. This is applicable to Rahu/ketu. Suppose Rahu is in star of Venus , rahu will signfy Venus its position and houses venus owns. Thanks and best regards, tw , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear TW853, > Basic rule is: > A planet signfies the star lord where it is posted. This is > applicable to Rahu/ketu. > Suppose Rahu is in star of Venus , rahu will signfy Venus its > position and houses venus owns. > > But conjunction/aspect or sign owner is not signficator of rahu. But > rahu represent these. > Say Mer is conjunt Rahu in Leo , then Rahu is representing Sun and > Mercury. > Now say mercury is in star of Jupiter. So Merury signfies Jupiter. > When will you get Mercury results. > Planets in the star of Rahu will give rahu results that means > Mercury signfying Jupiter's results. > > At sub level rahu sub means what is being signfied by rahu. Rahu > will signfy the star lord where it is posted. It will also signfy > rahu itself if no planets are in the star of rahu. > So primarily it signfy star and secondarily it signfies rahu itself. > I hope I have clarified what i understand. > Inder > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > 1. You've raised a good point, if I understand correctly in > > simple language, to apply " Starlord rule " with a priority order of > > importanace higher than " Signlord rule " of Rahu and Kethu in the > case > > of Rahu and Kethu as a " Sublord " . > > > > 2. Such kind of priority is noted in KP Reader III, p 123-124 > > (Edition 1984); KP Reader V, p 123-124 (Edition 1983) ; KP Reader > VI, > > p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978); especially " imagine as > though > > the lord of the constellation is deposited in that house in which > > Rahu or Kethu was tenanted " . > > > > 3. However, the application of " Sublord rule " in the case of Rahu > > and Kethu as a " Sublord " is an issue in the review of KSK > examples, > > and so could you kindly provide any reference to your statement > below > > to add to the only one finding of mine until now in my review of > > examples in KP Readers regarding rules of Rahu and Kethu. > > > > >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we > have > > >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily > > >>the sign lord. > > > > > > 4. Counld you kindly also clarify your view clearly " not to apply " > or > > to " apply " the " Starlord rule " in the case of Rahu and Kethu as > > a " Starlod " in the following statement (as far as I understand-- > > " not " ) and give nay reference because this is also an issue in the > > review of KSK examples. > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give > > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > 10th, > > 2, & 9. > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > results > > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > d]. > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > Your last para : > > > In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we > have > > > to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then > secondarily > > > the sign lord. > > > For example if a planetA is in sub of Rahu and Rahu is in star > of > > > Mercury in 11th house then it is very fruitful.Same Rahu in sign > of > > > say Moon in 8th house may indicate difficulties but it[A] will > give > > > success as it is in Rahu sub which is signficator of Mercury in > > > 11th. > > > Inder > > > > > Dear Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have > > > > > aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one > > > > > > > > > > cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and > > > > > Ketu Aspects Ketu always. > > > > > > > > > > So if they are not conjunct with any other planet, > > > > > Rahu must act as Ketu and > > > > > > > > > > Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK > > > > > has said or used. > > > > > > > > > > However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu > > > > > has to act as his agent. > > > > > > > > > > At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th > > > > > aspect, and so Ketu also > > > > > > > > > > becomes his agent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional > > > > > astrology treats them as > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends, > > > > > enemies etc. > > > > > > > > > > One cannot follow both at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to > > > > > check what the sub says > > > > > > > > > > by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in > > > > > which Resides. Then decide > > > > > > > > > > wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated > > > > > by the Star Lord. > > > > > > > > > > In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own > > > > > any houses, one has to > > > > > > > > > > consider only the House where it is, and decide > > > > > wether it is favourable or > > > > > > > > > > not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the > > > > > Rahu here also as an agent > > > > > > > > > > and substite it by the Planet it represents. This > > > > > requires research in > > > > > > > > > > exanples in KP readers. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this is helpful > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for your comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have > > > > > ASPECTS, not even the > > > > > > 7th ASPECT. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do > > > > > not have physical > > > > > > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's > > > > > 7th, 9th and 12th > > > > > > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with--- > > > > > > > > > > > > " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and > > > > > 12 fully, 2 and 10 > > > > > > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara > > > > > Kalamrita Kalidasa by > > > > > > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under > > > > > " Notes " (Message #3246) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which > > > > > aspect HIM. If 7th > > > > > > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of > > > > > Ketu, when Rahu is > > > > > > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is > > > > > possible for BOTH Rahu > > > > > > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is > > > > > conjunct with one > > > > > > of them and aspetcs the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the > > > > > following Guruji KSK's > > > > > > writings in his original KP Readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate > > > > > the results of the > > > > > > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is > > > > > in conjunction with > > > > > > them they bestow the results of the planets > > > > > aspecting them. If Rahu > > > > > > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected > > > > > by any planet, it > > > > > > offers the results of the lord of the > > > > > constellation in which it is > > > > > > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- > > > > > KP Reader III, > > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, > > > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with the following > > > > > quotation by KSK, except > > > > > > the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of > > > > > the lord of the > > > > > > constellation in which it is deposited " . > > > > > > > > > > > > " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the > > > > > planets to which they > > > > > > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any > > > > > planet, then they > > > > > > give the results of the planet which aspects them. > > > > > Only when they are > > > > > > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any > > > > > planet, they represent > > > > > > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI > > > > > Sloka 14 onwards) " - > > > > > > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be > > > > > cancelled by Kethu's > > > > > > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate > > > > > SEPERATELY in their > > > > > > respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and > > > > > examples, to get a > > > > > > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as > > > > > per KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature > > > > > of six KP Readers, > > > > > > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current > > > > > KP Annuals since > > > > > > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of > > > > > Rahu and Kethu have > > > > > > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal > > > > > Krishna Singh > > > > > > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP > > > > > Year Book, 1999, p 26, > > > > > > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th > > > > > and 12th aspects in > > > > > > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 > > > > > of KP Reader III, > > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are > > > > > the ONLY places > > > > > > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of > > > > > Rahu and Kethu; > > > > > > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight > > > > > difference order of > > > > > > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in > > > > > full, i.e. all four > > > > > > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 > > > > > (Edition 1978), and > > > > > > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in > > > > > KP Reader VI, p 207 > > > > > > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in > > > > > Reader V, p 155 > > > > > > (Eition 1983) . > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his > > > > > crowing that the > > > > > > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with > > > > > success) simultaneously > > > > > > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, > > > > > pp 139-144 and KP > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Dear TW853, I would request you you to pick up any example and we can discuss. Inder , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > Thank you for your reply. However, my real request to you is whether > any practical example from KP Readers or any other KP literature > could be provided in support of your statements or basic rules uoted > below in a/ & b/ which will be a great help to my presentation on the > review of KSKS examples regrading the rules of Rahu and Kethu. > > > a/ >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we > have > >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily > >>the sign lord. > > OR > > At sub level rahu sub means what is being signfied by rahu. Rahu > will signfy the star lord where it is posted. It will also signfy > rahu itself if no planets are in the star of rahu. > So primarily it signfy star and secondarily it signfies rahu itself. > > (which is different in giving importance to the star lord in— > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of 10th, > 2, & 9. > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the results > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > d]. > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way.) > > > b/ Basic rule is: > A planet signfies the star lord where it is posted. This is > applicable to Rahu/ketu. > Suppose Rahu is in star of Venus , rahu will signfy Venus its > position and houses venus owns. > > > Thanks and best regards, > > tw > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > wrote: > > > > Dear TW853, > > Basic rule is: > > A planet signfies the star lord where it is posted. This is > > applicable to Rahu/ketu. > > Suppose Rahu is in star of Venus , rahu will signfy Venus its > > position and houses venus owns. > > > > But conjunction/aspect or sign owner is not signficator of rahu. > But > > rahu represent these. > > Say Mer is conjunt Rahu in Leo , then Rahu is representing Sun and > > Mercury. > > Now say mercury is in star of Jupiter. So Merury signfies Jupiter. > > When will you get Mercury results. > > Planets in the star of Rahu will give rahu results that means > > Mercury signfying Jupiter's results. > > > > At sub level rahu sub means what is being signfied by rahu. Rahu > > will signfy the star lord where it is posted. It will also signfy > > rahu itself if no planets are in the star of rahu. > > So primarily it signfy star and secondarily it signfies rahu itself. > > I hope I have clarified what i understand. > > Inder > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > 1. You've raised a good point, if I understand correctly in > > > simple language, to apply " Starlord rule " with a priority order > of > > > importanace higher than " Signlord rule " of Rahu and Kethu in the > > case > > > of Rahu and Kethu as a " Sublord " . > > > > > > 2. Such kind of priority is noted in KP Reader III, p 123-124 > > > (Edition 1984); KP Reader V, p 123-124 (Edition 1983) ; KP Reader > > VI, > > > p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978); especially " imagine as > > though > > > the lord of the constellation is deposited in that house in which > > > Rahu or Kethu was tenanted " . > > > > > > 3. However, the application of " Sublord rule " in the case of > Rahu > > > and Kethu as a " Sublord " is an issue in the review of KSK > > examples, > > > and so could you kindly provide any reference to your statement > > below > > > to add to the only one finding of mine until now in my review of > > > examples in KP Readers regarding rules of Rahu and Kethu. > > > > > > >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we > > have > > > >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then > secondarily > > > >>the sign lord. > > > > > > > > > 4. Counld you kindly also clarify your view clearly " not to > apply " > > or > > > to " apply " the " Starlord rule " in the case of Rahu and Kethu as > > > a " Starlod " in the following statement (as far as I understand- - > > > " not " ) and give nay reference because this is also an issue in > the > > > review of KSK examples. > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will > give > > > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > > 10th, > > > 2, & 9. > > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > results > > > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > > d]. > > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > > Your last para : > > > > In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we > > have > > > > to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then > > secondarily > > > > the sign lord. > > > > For example if a planetA is in sub of Rahu and Rahu is in star > > of > > > > Mercury in 11th house then it is very fruitful.Same Rahu in > sign > > of > > > > say Moon in 8th house may indicate difficulties but it[A] will > > give > > > > success as it is in Rahu sub which is signficator of Mercury > in > > > > 11th. > > > > Inder > > > > > > Dear Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have > > > > > > aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and > > > > > > Ketu Aspects Ketu always. > > > > > > > > > > > > So if they are not conjunct with any other planet, > > > > > > Rahu must act as Ketu and > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK > > > > > > has said or used. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu > > > > > > has to act as his agent. > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th > > > > > > aspect, and so Ketu also > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes his agent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional > > > > > > astrology treats them as > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > > > allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends, > > > > > > enemies etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot follow both at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to > > > > > > check what the sub says > > > > > > > > > > > > by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in > > > > > > which Resides. Then decide > > > > > > > > > > > > wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated > > > > > > by the Star Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own > > > > > > any houses, one has to > > > > > > > > > > > > consider only the House where it is, and decide > > > > > > wether it is favourable or > > > > > > > > > > > > not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the > > > > > > Rahu here also as an agent > > > > > > > > > > > > and substite it by the Planet it represents. This > > > > > > requires research in > > > > > > > > > > > > exanples in KP readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this is helpful > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for your comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have > > > > > > ASPECTS, not even the > > > > > > > 7th ASPECT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do > > > > > > not have physical > > > > > > > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's > > > > > > 7th, 9th and 12th > > > > > > > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and > > > > > > 12 fully, 2 and 10 > > > > > > > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara > > > > > > Kalamrita Kalidasa by > > > > > > > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under > > > > > > " Notes " (Message #3246) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which > > > > > > aspect HIM. If 7th > > > > > > > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of > > > > > > Ketu, when Rahu is > > > > > > > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is > > > > > > possible for BOTH Rahu > > > > > > > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is > > > > > > conjunct with one > > > > > > > of them and aspetcs the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the > > > > > > following Guruji KSK's > > > > > > > writings in his original KP Readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate > > > > > > the results of the > > > > > > > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is > > > > > > in conjunction with > > > > > > > them they bestow the results of the planets > > > > > > aspecting them. If Rahu > > > > > > > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected > > > > > > by any planet, it > > > > > > > offers the results of the lord of the > > > > > > constellation in which it is > > > > > > > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- > > > > > > KP Reader III, > > > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with the following > > > > > > quotation by KSK, except > > > > > > > the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of > > > > > > the lord of the > > > > > > > constellation in which it is deposited " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the > > > > > > planets to which they > > > > > > > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any > > > > > > planet, then they > > > > > > > give the results of the planet which aspects them. > > > > > > Only when they are > > > > > > > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any > > > > > > planet, they represent > > > > > > > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI > > > > > > Sloka 14 onwards) " - > > > > > > > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be > > > > > > cancelled by Kethu's > > > > > > > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate > > > > > > SEPERATELY in their > > > > > > > respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and > > > > > > examples, to get a > > > > > > > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as > > > > > > per KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature > > > > > > of six KP Readers, > > > > > > > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current > > > > > > KP Annuals since > > > > > > > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of > > > > > > Rahu and Kethu have > > > > > > > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal > > > > > > Krishna Singh > > > > > > > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP > > > > > > Year Book, 1999, p 26, > > > > > > > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th > > > > > > and 12th aspects in > > > > > > > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 > > > > > > of KP Reader III, > > > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are > > > > > > the ONLY places > > > > > > > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of > > > > > > Rahu and Kethu; > > > > > > > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight > > > > > > difference order of > > > > > > > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in > > > > > > full, i.e. all four > > > > > > > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 > > > > > > (Edition 1978), and > > > > > > > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in > > > > > > KP Reader VI, p 207 > > > > > > > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in > > > > > > Reader V, p 155 > > > > > > > (Eition 1983) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his > > > > > > crowing that the > > > > > > > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with > > > > > > success) simultaneously > > > > > > > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, > > > > > > pp 139-144 and KP > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Dear TW863, We can discuss Renu's chart given at message no 3407. In this chart Rahu is very important planet governing her life. Inder , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear TW853, > I would request you you to pick up any example and we can discuss. > Inder > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > Thank you for your reply. However, my real request to you is > whether > > any practical example from KP Readers or any other KP literature > > could be provided in support of your statements or basic rules > uoted > > below in a/ & b/ which will be a great help to my presentation on > the > > review of KSKS examples regrading the rules of Rahu and Kethu. > > > > > > a/ >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that we > > have > > >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then secondarily > > >>the sign lord. > > > > OR > > > > At sub level rahu sub means what is being signfied by rahu. Rahu > > will signfy the star lord where it is posted. It will also signfy > > rahu itself if no planets are in the star of rahu. > > So primarily it signfy star and secondarily it signfies rahu > itself. > > > > (which is different in giving importance to the star lord in— > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will give > > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > 10th, > > 2, & 9. > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > results > > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], c], & > > d]. > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way.) > > > > > > b/ Basic rule is: > > A planet signfies the star lord where it is posted. This is > > applicable to Rahu/ketu. > > Suppose Rahu is in star of Venus , rahu will signfy Venus its > > position and houses venus owns. > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear TW853, > > > Basic rule is: > > > A planet signfies the star lord where it is posted. This is > > > applicable to Rahu/ketu. > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of Venus , rahu will signfy Venus its > > > position and houses venus owns. > > > > > > But conjunction/aspect or sign owner is not signficator of rahu. > > But > > > rahu represent these. > > > Say Mer is conjunt Rahu in Leo , then Rahu is representing Sun > and > > > Mercury. > > > Now say mercury is in star of Jupiter. So Merury signfies > Jupiter. > > > When will you get Mercury results. > > > Planets in the star of Rahu will give rahu results that means > > > Mercury signfying Jupiter's results. > > > > > > At sub level rahu sub means what is being signfied by rahu. Rahu > > > will signfy the star lord where it is posted. It will also > signfy > > > rahu itself if no planets are in the star of rahu. > > > So primarily it signfy star and secondarily it signfies rahu > itself. > > > I hope I have clarified what i understand. > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > > > 1. You've raised a good point, if I understand > correctly in > > > > simple language, to apply " Starlord rule " with a priority > order > > of > > > > importanace higher than " Signlord rule " of Rahu and Kethu in > the > > > case > > > > of Rahu and Kethu as a " Sublord " . > > > > > > > > 2. Such kind of priority is noted in KP Reader III, p > 123-124 > > > > (Edition 1984); KP Reader V, p 123-124 (Edition 1983) ; KP > Reader > > > VI, > > > > p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978); especially " imagine as > > > though > > > > the lord of the constellation is deposited in that house in > which > > > > Rahu or Kethu was tenanted " . > > > > > > > > 3. However, the application of " Sublord rule " in the case of > > Rahu > > > > and Kethu as a " Sublord " is an issue in the review of KSK > > > examples, > > > > and so could you kindly provide any reference to your > statement > > > below > > > > to add to the only one finding of mine until now in my review > of > > > > examples in KP Readers regarding rules of Rahu and Kethu. > > > > > > > > >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that > we > > > have > > > > >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then > > secondarily > > > > >>the sign lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Counld you kindly also clarify your view clearly " not to > > apply " > > > or > > > > to " apply " the " Starlord rule " in the case of Rahu and Kethu > as > > > > a " Starlod " in the following statement (as far as I understand- > - > > > > " not " ) and give nay reference because this is also an issue in > > the > > > > review of KSK examples. > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will > > give > > > > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose > is > > > > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results > of > > > 10th, > > > > 2, & 9. > > > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > > results > > > > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], > c], & > > > > d]. > > > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Inder " > <indervohra2001> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > > > Your last para : > > > > > In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that > we > > > have > > > > > to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then > > > secondarily > > > > > the sign lord. > > > > > For example if a planetA is in sub of Rahu and Rahu is in > star > > > of > > > > > Mercury in 11th house then it is very fruitful.Same Rahu in > > sign > > > of > > > > > say Moon in 8th house may indicate difficulties but it[A] > will > > > give > > > > > success as it is in Rahu sub which is signficator of > Mercury > > in > > > > > 11th. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > Dear Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have > > > > > > > aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and > > > > > > > Ketu Aspects Ketu always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So if they are not conjunct with any other planet, > > > > > > > Rahu must act as Ketu and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK > > > > > > > has said or used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu > > > > > > > has to act as his agent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th > > > > > > > aspect, and so Ketu also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes his agent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional > > > > > > > astrology treats them as > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends, > > > > > > > enemies etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot follow both at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to > > > > > > > check what the sub says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in > > > > > > > which Resides. Then decide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated > > > > > > > by the Star Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own > > > > > > > any houses, one has to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider only the House where it is, and decide > > > > > > > wether it is favourable or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the > > > > > > > Rahu here also as an agent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and substite it by the Planet it represents. This > > > > > > > requires research in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exanples in KP readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this is helpful > > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for your comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have > > > > > > > ASPECTS, not even the > > > > > > > > 7th ASPECT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do > > > > > > > not have physical > > > > > > > > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's > > > > > > > 7th, 9th and 12th > > > > > > > > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and > > > > > > > 12 fully, 2 and 10 > > > > > > > > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara > > > > > > > Kalamrita Kalidasa by > > > > > > > > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under > > > > > > > " Notes " (Message #3246) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which > > > > > > > aspect HIM. If 7th > > > > > > > > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of > > > > > > > Ketu, when Rahu is > > > > > > > > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is > > > > > > > possible for BOTH Rahu > > > > > > > > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is > > > > > > > conjunct with one > > > > > > > > of them and aspetcs the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the > > > > > > > following Guruji KSK's > > > > > > > > writings in his original KP Readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate > > > > > > > the results of the > > > > > > > > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is > > > > > > > in conjunction with > > > > > > > > them they bestow the results of the planets > > > > > > > aspecting them. If Rahu > > > > > > > > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected > > > > > > > by any planet, it > > > > > > > > offers the results of the lord of the > > > > > > > constellation in which it is > > > > > > > > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- > > > > > > > KP Reader III, > > > > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with the following > > > > > > > quotation by KSK, except > > > > > > > > the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of > > > > > > > the lord of the > > > > > > > > constellation in which it is deposited " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the > > > > > > > planets to which they > > > > > > > > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any > > > > > > > planet, then they > > > > > > > > give the results of the planet which aspects them. > > > > > > > Only when they are > > > > > > > > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any > > > > > > > planet, they represent > > > > > > > > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI > > > > > > > Sloka 14 onwards) " - > > > > > > > > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be > > > > > > > cancelled by Kethu's > > > > > > > > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate > > > > > > > SEPERATELY in their > > > > > > > > respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and > > > > > > > examples, to get a > > > > > > > > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as > > > > > > > per KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature > > > > > > > of six KP Readers, > > > > > > > > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current > > > > > > > KP Annuals since > > > > > > > > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of > > > > > > > Rahu and Kethu have > > > > > > > > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal > > > > > > > Krishna Singh > > > > > > > > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP > > > > > > > Year Book, 1999, p 26, > > > > > > > > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th > > > > > > > and 12th aspects in > > > > > > > > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 > > > > > > > of KP Reader III, > > > > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are > > > > > > > the ONLY places > > > > > > > > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of > > > > > > > Rahu and Kethu; > > > > > > > > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight > > > > > > > difference order of > > > > > > > > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in > > > > > > > full, i.e. all four > > > > > > > > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 > > > > > > > (Edition 1978), and > > > > > > > > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in > > > > > > > KP Reader VI, p 207 > > > > > > > > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in > > > > > > > Reader V, p 155 > > > > > > > > (Eition 1983) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his > > > > > > > crowing that the > > > > > > > > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with > > > > > > > success) simultaneously > > > > > > > > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, > > > > > > > pp 139-144 and KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Dear Inder, These are two different issues. Firstly, I'm wondering why those members who are talking too much general theories and views again and again without providing practical cases have not yet given any specific comments to the ready- prepared KP real charts of Raju or Mrs. Ranger to gain practical knowledge (as you've said). (Here no need to ask " Give me a KP chart " like in another group, already given and any more details will be provied if necessary. But don't ask me to rectify the TOB which itself is not so sure.) It's really very frustrating for KP learners like me and Raju. Secondly, not any example, but specific relevant KSK or KP examples are required for the credibility of any rule to be said as KP. I've no comment on applying any other rule by anybody, which is fit to him. Thanks and very regards, tw , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear TW863, > We can discuss Renu's chart given at message no 3407. In this chart > Rahu is very important planet governing her life. > Inder > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > wrote: > > > > Dear TW853, > > I would request you you to pick up any example and we can discuss. > > Inder > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > Thank you for your reply. However, my real request to you is > > whether > > > any practical example from KP Readers or any other KP literature > > > could be provided in support of your statements or basic rules > > uoted > > > below in a/ & b/ which will be a great help to my presentation > on > > the > > > review of KSKS examples regrading the rules of Rahu and Kethu. > > > > > > > > > a/ >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that > we > > > have > > > >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then > secondarily > > > >>the sign lord. > > > > > > OR > > > > > > At sub level rahu sub means what is being signfied by rahu. Rahu > > > will signfy the star lord where it is posted. It will also signfy > > > rahu itself if no planets are in the star of rahu. > > > So primarily it signfy star and secondarily it signfies rahu > > itself. > > > > > > (which is different in giving importance to the star lord in— > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period will > give > > > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose is > > > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results of > > 10th, > > > 2, & 9. > > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of the > > results > > > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take a], > c], & > > > d]. > > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way.) > > > > > > > > > b/ Basic rule is: > > > A planet signfies the star lord where it is posted. This is > > > applicable to Rahu/ketu. > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of Venus , rahu will signfy Venus its > > > position and houses venus owns. > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear TW853, > > > > Basic rule is: > > > > A planet signfies the star lord where it is posted. This is > > > > applicable to Rahu/ketu. > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of Venus , rahu will signfy Venus its > > > > position and houses venus owns. > > > > > > > > But conjunction/aspect or sign owner is not signficator of > rahu. > > > But > > > > rahu represent these. > > > > Say Mer is conjunt Rahu in Leo , then Rahu is representing Sun > > and > > > > Mercury. > > > > Now say mercury is in star of Jupiter. So Merury signfies > > Jupiter. > > > > When will you get Mercury results. > > > > Planets in the star of Rahu will give rahu results that means > > > > Mercury signfying Jupiter's results. > > > > > > > > At sub level rahu sub means what is being signfied by rahu. > Rahu > > > > will signfy the star lord where it is posted. It will also > > signfy > > > > rahu itself if no planets are in the star of rahu. > > > > So primarily it signfy star and secondarily it signfies rahu > > itself. > > > > I hope I have clarified what i understand. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > > > > > 1. You've raised a good point, if I understand > > correctly in > > > > > simple language, to apply " Starlord rule " with a priority > > order > > > of > > > > > importanace higher than " Signlord rule " of Rahu and Kethu in > > the > > > > case > > > > > of Rahu and Kethu as a " Sublord " . > > > > > > > > > > 2. Such kind of priority is noted in KP Reader III, p > > 123-124 > > > > > (Edition 1984); KP Reader V, p 123-124 (Edition 1983) ; KP > > Reader > > > > VI, > > > > > p 187, 212, 274 & 276 (Edition 1978); especially " imagine as > > > > though > > > > > the lord of the constellation is deposited in that house in > > which > > > > > Rahu or Kethu was tenanted " . > > > > > > > > > > 3. However, the application of " Sublord rule " in the case > of > > > Rahu > > > > > and Kethu as a " Sublord " is an issue in the review of KSK > > > > examples, > > > > > and so could you kindly provide any reference to your > > statement > > > > below > > > > > to add to the only one finding of mine until now in my > review > > of > > > > > examples in KP Readers regarding rules of Rahu and Kethu. > > > > > > > > > > >>In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that > > we > > > > have > > > > > >>to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then > > > secondarily > > > > > >>the sign lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Counld you kindly also clarify your view clearly " not to > > > apply " > > > > or > > > > > to " apply " the " Starlord rule " in the case of Rahu and > Kethu > > as > > > > > a " Starlod " in the following statement (as far as I > understand- > > - > > > > > " not " ) and give nay reference because this is also an issue > in > > > the > > > > > review of KSK examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose Rahu is in star of then Rahu in its period > will > > > give > > > > > the results of Star lord placement and ownership. Suppose > > > is > > > > > posted in 10th, and owner of 2 & 9 then Rahu will give results > > of > > > > 10th, > > > > > 2, & 9. > > > > > > > The planets [a] ,[c], & [d] will be source planets of > the > > > > results > > > > > > >of planet acting as significators of Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So for significance of Rahu we need to primarily take > a], > > c], & > > > > > d]. > > > > > > > Not b] which comes into picture different way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Inder " > > <indervohra2001> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur, > > > > > > Your last para : > > > > > > In case of Rahu Ketu sub,........ what I have seen is that > > we > > > > have > > > > > > to take primarily the star lord of Rahu/Ketu and then > > > > secondarily > > > > > > the sign lord. > > > > > > For example if a planetA is in sub of Rahu and Rahu is in > > star > > > > of > > > > > > Mercury in 11th house then it is very fruitful.Same Rahu > in > > > sign > > > > of > > > > > > say Moon in 8th house may indicate difficulties but it[A] > > will > > > > give > > > > > > success as it is in Rahu sub which is signficator of > > Mercury > > > in > > > > > > 11th. > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > Dear Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some persons say that Rahu and Ketu have > > > > > > > > aspects, 7,5,9,12 etc., one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot ignore the fact that Rahu ASPECTS KETU and > > > > > > > > Ketu Aspects Ketu always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So if they are not conjunct with any other planet, > > > > > > > > Rahu must act as Ketu and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu act as Rahu. One knows this is not what KSK > > > > > > > > has said or used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, if a planet is conjunct with say Rahu, Rahu > > > > > > > > has to act as his agent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time this planet will aspect Ketu by 7th > > > > > > > > aspect, and so Ketu also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes his agent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KSK allots no houses to Rahu /Ketu. Traditional > > > > > > > > astrology treats them as > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allots houses, signs of Exaltation, friends, > > > > > > > > enemies etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot follow both at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Rahu and Ketu as subs> KP says we have to > > > > > > > > check what the sub says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by finding out The Houses it owns, and the House in > > > > > > > > which Resides. Then decide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wether these are favourable to the Houses indicated > > > > > > > > by the Star Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of Rahu/Ketu as sub, since they do not own > > > > > > > > any houses, one has to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider only the House where it is, and decide > > > > > > > > wether it is favourable or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. I am not sure, if one should consider, the > > > > > > > > Rahu here also as an agent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and substite it by the Planet it represents. This > > > > > > > > requires research in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exanples in KP readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this is helpful > > > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for your comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu not being planets cannot have > > > > > > > > ASPECTS, not even the > > > > > > > > > 7th ASPECT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It's very reasonable since Rahu and Kethu do > > > > > > > > not have physical > > > > > > > > > body. However, Prof. K. Balachandran uses Kethu's > > > > > > > > 7th, 9th and 12th > > > > > > > > > aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, p 82 & 84, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and > > > > > > > > 12 fully, 2 and 10 > > > > > > > > > by half, and 3 and 6 by quarter. " --- Uttara > > > > > > > > Kalamrita Kalidasa by > > > > > > > > > Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43 under > > > > > > > > " Notes " (Message #3246) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu acts as the Agent of the planets which > > > > > > > > aspect HIM. If 7th > > > > > > > > > aspect is conceded, then He has to act as Agent of > > > > > > > > Ketu, when Rahu is > > > > > > > > > not conjoined with Rahu. On this basis it is > > > > > > > > possible for BOTH Rahu > > > > > > > > > and Ketu to act as agents of one planet, which is > > > > > > > > conjunct with one > > > > > > > > > of them and aspetcs the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. This is difficult to reconcilable with the > > > > > > > > following Guruji KSK's > > > > > > > > > writings in his original KP Readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.a/ " As regards Rahu and Kethu, they indicate > > > > > > > > the results of the > > > > > > > > > planet which they are conjoined. If no planet is > > > > > > > > in conjunction with > > > > > > > > > them they bestow the results of the planets > > > > > > > > aspecting them. If Rahu > > > > > > > > > or Kethu is neither conjoined with nor aspected > > > > > > > > by any planet, it > > > > > > > > > offers the results of the lord of the > > > > > > > > constellation in which it is > > > > > > > > > deposited, and lastly the result of the sign. " --- > > > > > > > > KP Reader III, > > > > > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which generally coincides with the following > > > > > > > > quotation by KSK, except > > > > > > > > > the addition of the KSK innovation " the results of > > > > > > > > the lord of the > > > > > > > > > constellation in which it is deposited " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the > > > > > > > > planets to which they > > > > > > > > > are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any > > > > > > > > planet, then they > > > > > > > > > give the results of the planet which aspects them. > > > > > > > > Only when they are > > > > > > > > > neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any > > > > > > > > planet, they represent > > > > > > > > > the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita— Khanda VI > > > > > > > > Sloka 14 onwards) " - > > > > > > > > > -- KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.b/ " Rahu's beneficial result cannot be > > > > > > > > cancelled by Kethu's > > > > > > > > > malefic ones and vice versa-- Each will operate > > > > > > > > SEPERATELY in their > > > > > > > > > respective periods. " KP Reader II, p 320 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any way some one has to go thru the KP Books and > > > > > > > > examples, to get a > > > > > > > > > rational way of interpreting Rahu Ketu results as > > > > > > > > per KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Ref Msg #3246, by going through KP literature > > > > > > > > of six KP Readers, > > > > > > > > > Astrosectrets & other books of KSK sons, current > > > > > > > > KP Annuals since > > > > > > > > > 1999 etc., ONLY TWO examples applying aspects of > > > > > > > > Rahu and Kethu have > > > > > > > > > been found as far as my reading goes, i.e. Dr. Bal > > > > > > > > Krishna Singh > > > > > > > > > Hatia appling Rahu's 5th and 9th aspects in KP > > > > > > > > Year Book, 1999, p 26, > > > > > > > > > and Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th > > > > > > > > and 12th aspects in > > > > > > > > > KP Year Book 2002, p 82 & 84. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. The references mentioned in the above para 3 > > > > > > > > of KP Reader III, > > > > > > > > > 1984, p 123-124, and KP Reader II, 1983, p 315 are > > > > > > > > the ONLY places > > > > > > > > > where Guruji KSK explains about the four rules of > > > > > > > > Rahu and Kethu; > > > > > > > > > except mentioning of JUST rules with a slight > > > > > > > > difference order of > > > > > > > > > importance WITHOUT expalnation are four times in > > > > > > > > full, i.e. all four > > > > > > > > > rules, in KP Reader VI, p 187, 212, 274 & 276 > > > > > > > > (Edition 1978), and > > > > > > > > > partially, i.e. not all four rules, two times in > > > > > > > > KP Reader VI, p 207 > > > > > > > > > & 232, in KP Reader II, p 316 (Edition 1983), in > > > > > > > > Reader V, p 155 > > > > > > > > > (Eition 1983) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. In the KSK's demonstration example (with his > > > > > > > > crowing that the > > > > > > > > > discovery of the sublord has crowned him with > > > > > > > > success) simultaneously > > > > > > > > > shown in KP Reader III, pp 139-144, KP Reader V, > > > > > > > > pp 139-144 and KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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