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Dear Members,

I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed something I

couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam observes

that the gender of a child born at a particular place and time is NOT

dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th cusps of

their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any comments on

this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the CKV rule

(perhaps other rules as well).

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

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Dear Rangarajan,

The reason,probably is...that,motherhood is definite,while fatherhood could be theoretically,not so definite...

Especially, in the promiscous and 'fast' times that obtain in today's world...this possibility is becoming more and more relevant,indeed... in my humble opinion...his foresight needs to be commended indeed. !

With best wishes,

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear Members,I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed something I couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam observes that the gender of a child born at a particular place and time is NOT dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th cusps of their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any comments on this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the CKV rule (perhaps other rules as well).Regards,Rangarajan

 

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Dear Rangaraj

 

The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of the parents.

 

Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in advance, without

 

using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based on the

 

chart of the mother/father.

 

These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to predict the

 

gender of the child to be born.

 

 

--- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

> I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed something I

> couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam observes

> that the gender of a child born at a particular place and time is NOT

> dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th cusps of

> their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any comments on

> this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the CKV rule

> (perhaps other rules as well).

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

 

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Dear Rangarajan,

 

Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the 5th cusp

Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p 84; K.P.

Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-89), b/

Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ Balasekar's

Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do not take

into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message #2671)

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

, anant raichur <anant_1608>

wrote:

> Dear Rangaraj

>

> The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of the

parents.

>

> Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in advance,

without

>

> using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based on the

>

> chart of the mother/father.

>

> These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to predict

the

>

> gender of the child to be born.

>

>

> --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed something

I

> > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam

observes

> > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and time is

NOT

> > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th

cusps of

> > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any comments

on

> > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the CKV

rule

> > (perhaps other rules as well).

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rangarajan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I guess, the rule has been created keeping twin birth in mind. There can be male and female twins and for twins date, time and place of birth remains nearly the same and hence it is hard to create any rule on the basis on date, time and place. Regards, Punit Pandey

On Apr 4, 2005 12:36 PM, Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear Members,I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed something I couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam observes that the gender of a child born at a particular place and time is NOT dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th cusps of their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any comments on this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the CKV rule (perhaps other rules as well).Regards,Rangarajan

 

 

 

 

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Dear Rangarajan,

 

In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on the

the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why the

rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, that

is my understanding which may not be correct.

 

Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth

prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307,

Astrosecrets, Part I.

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

<ranga@m...> wrote:

>

> Dear Tin Win,

> You are partly right in that these do not take into account time

and

> place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will

change

> based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not directly

> use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was that

> there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of

> birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and

> place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed and

> by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying any

> rule such as Balasekar's.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rangarajan,

> >

> > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the 5th

> cusp

> > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p 84;

> K.P.

> > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-89),

> b/

> > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/

> Balasekar's

> > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do not

> take

> > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message #2671)

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> > , anant raichur

<anant_1608>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Rangaraj

> > >

> > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of the

> > parents.

> > >

> > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in

> advance,

> > without

> > >

> > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based on

> the

> > >

> > > chart of the mother/father.

> > >

> > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to

> predict

> > the

> > >

> > > gender of the child to be born.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed

> something

> > I

> > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam

> > observes

> > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and

time

> is

> > NOT

> > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th

> > cusps of

> > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any

> comments

> > on

> > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the

CKV

> > rule

> > > > (perhaps other rules as well).

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rangarajan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Tin Win,

You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

>

> Dear Rangarajan,

>

> In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on

the

> the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why

the

> rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course,

that

> is my understanding which may not be correct.

>

> Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth

> prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307,

> Astrosecrets, Part I.

>

> Best regards,

>

> tw

>

>

> , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

> <ranga@m...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tin Win,

> > You are partly right in that these do not take into account time

> and

> > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will

> change

> > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not

directly

> > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was

that

> > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of

> > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and

> > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed

and

> > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying any

> > rule such as Balasekar's.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rangarajan

> >

> > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rangarajan,

> > >

> > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the 5th

> > cusp

> > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p

84;

> > K.P.

> > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-

89),

> > b/

> > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/

> > Balasekar's

> > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do

not

> > take

> > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message

#2671)

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > >

> > > , anant raichur

> <anant_1608>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Rangaraj

> > > >

> > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of

the

> > > parents.

> > > >

> > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in

> > advance,

> > > without

> > > >

> > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based

on

> > the

> > > >

> > > > chart of the mother/father.

> > > >

> > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to

> > predict

> > > the

> > > >

> > > > gender of the child to be born.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed

> > something

> > > I

> > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254,

Mr.Shanmugam

> > > observes

> > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and

> time

> > is

> > > NOT

> > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the

5th

> > > cusps of

> > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any

> > comments

> > > on

> > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the

> CKV

> > > rule

> > > > > (perhaps other rules as well).

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rangarajan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Dear tw,rangarajan et al,

There seems to be a lot of different opinions regarding the correct TOB...

The TOB as often referred to,in K.P., is not the time of delivery......however,as per our Revered Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as the correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child...

This time can thus be, a little later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child...

I do not think that Astrosecrets & K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and straight forward,leaving very little room for ambiguity...!

The child's gender determination rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as motherhood is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...!

Therefore,for very obvious reasons,I have not made any comments on the "CKV Rule"...

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear Tin Win,You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying.Regards,Rangarajan , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > Dear Rangarajan,> > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on the > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why the > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, that > is my understanding which may not be correct.> > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307, > Astrosecrets, Part I. > > Best regards,> > tw> > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > <ranga@m...>

wrote:> > > > Dear Tin Win,> > You are partly right in that these do not take into account time > and > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will > change > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not directly > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was that > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed and > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying any > > rule such as Balasekar's.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Rangarajan,> > > >

> > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the 5th > > cusp > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p 84; > > K.P. > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-89), > > b/ > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ > > Balasekar's > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do not > > take > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message #2671)> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > <anant_1608> > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Rangaraj> > > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y

chromoses of the > > > parents.> > > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in > > advance, > > > without > > > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based on > > the> > > > > > > > chart of the mother/father. > > > > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to > > predict > > > the> > > > > > > > gender of the child to be born.> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed > > something > > > I

> > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam > > > observes > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and > time > > is > > > NOT > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th > > > cusps of > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any > > comments > > > on > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the > CKV > > > rule > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well).> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Dear Lajmi ji.

 

The mentioned four tests for child sex have nothing to do with the

birth time of the child under consideration, correct or uncorrect.

 

 

Best regards,

 

tw

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1>

wrote:

> Dear tw,rangarajan et al,

> There seems to be a lot of

different opinions regarding the correct TOB...

> The TOB as often referred to,in

K.P., is not the time of delivery......however,as per our Revered

Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as the

correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child...

> This time can thus be, a little

later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child...

> I do not think that Astrosecrets

& K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and

straight forward,leaving very little room for ambiguity...!

> The child's gender determination

rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as motherhood

is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...!

> Therefore,for very obvious

reasons,I have not made any comments on the " CKV Rule " ...

> Yours sincerely,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>

> Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

>

> Dear Tin Win,

> You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rangarajan,

> >

> > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on

> the

> > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why

> the

> > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course,

> that

> > is my understanding which may not be correct.

> >

> > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth

> > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307,

> > Astrosecrets, Part I.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

> > <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tin Win,

> > > You are partly right in that these do not take into account

time

> > and

> > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will

> > change

> > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not

> directly

> > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was

> that

> > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of

> > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and

> > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed

> and

> > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying

any

> > > rule such as Balasekar's.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rangarajan

> > >

> > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rangarajan,

> > > >

> > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the

5th

> > > cusp

> > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p

> 84;

> > > K.P.

> > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-

> 89),

> > > b/

> > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/

> > > Balasekar's

> > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do

> not

> > > take

> > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message

> #2671)

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , anant raichur

> > <anant_1608>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Rangaraj

> > > > >

> > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of

> the

> > > > parents.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in

> > > advance,

> > > > without

> > > > >

> > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based

> on

> > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > chart of the mother/father.

> > > > >

> > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to

> > > predict

> > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > gender of the child to be born.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed

> > > something

> > > > I

> > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254,

> Mr.Shanmugam

> > > > observes

> > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and

> > time

> > > is

> > > > NOT

> > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the

> 5th

> > > > cusps of

> > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any

> > > comments

> > > > on

> > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates

the

> > CKV

> > > > rule

> > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rangarajan

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Dear tw,

You do not seem to read carefully,you seem to be in some eternal hurry...and have missed the last part of the letter ?

This unseemly hurry only to somehow get your view in...seems needless...

With best wishes,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Lajmi ji.The mentioned four tests for child sex have nothing to do with the birth time of the child under consideration, correct or uncorrect. Best regards,tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear tw,rangarajan et al,> There seems to be a lot of different opinions regarding the correct TOB...> The TOB as often referred to,in K.P., is not the time of

delivery......however,as per our Revered Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as the correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child...> This time can thus be, a little later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child... > I do not think that Astrosecrets & K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and straight forward,leaving very little room for

ambiguity...!> The child's gender determination rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as motherhood is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...!> Therefore,for very obvious reasons,I have not made any comments on the "CKV Rule"...> Yours

sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear Tin Win,> You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying.> > Regards,> Rangarajan>

> , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > Dear Rangarajan,> > > > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on > the > > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why > the > > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, > that > > is my understanding which may not be correct.> > > > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth > > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307, > > Astrosecrets, Part I. > > > > Best regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Tin Win,> > > You are partly right in that these do not

take into account time > > and > > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will > > change > > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not > directly > > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was > that > > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of > > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and > > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed > and > > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying any > > > rule such as Balasekar's.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Rangarajan> > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan,> > >

> > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the 5th > > > cusp > > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p > 84; > > > K.P. > > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-> 89), > > > b/ > > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ > > > Balasekar's > > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do > not > > > take > > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message > #2671)> > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > <anant_1608> > > > >

wrote:> > > > > Dear Rangaraj> > > > > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of > the > > > > parents.> > > > > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in > > > advance, > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based > on > > > the> > > > > > > > > > chart of the mother/father. > > > > > > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to > > > predict > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > gender of the child to be born.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rangarajan

Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed > > > something > > > > I > > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, > Mr.Shanmugam > > > > observes > > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and > > time > > > is > > > > NOT > > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the > 5th > > > > cusps of > > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any > > > comments > > > > on > > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the > > CKV

> > > > rule > > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well).> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Lajmi ji,

 

I'm responding to the useless first part which is is not relevant in

the current issue.

 

Thanks and best regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1>

wrote:

> Dear tw,

> You do not seem to read carefully,you seem to be in some

eternal hurry...and have missed the last part of the letter ?

> This unseemly hurry only to somehow get your view

in...seems needless...

> With best wishes,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> tw853 <tw853> wrote:

>

> Dear Lajmi ji.

>

> The mentioned four tests for child sex have nothing to do with the

> birth time of the child under consideration, correct or uncorrect.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> tw

> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi

<lyrastro1>

> wrote:

> > Dear tw,rangarajan et al,

> > There seems to be a lot of

> different opinions regarding the correct TOB...

> > The TOB as often referred to,in

> K.P., is not the time of delivery......however,as per our Revered

> Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as

the

> correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child...

> > This time can thus be, a little

> later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child...

> > I do not think that

Astrosecrets

> & K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and

> straight forward,leaving very little room for ambiguity...!

> > The child's gender

determination

> rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as motherhood

> is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...!

> > Therefore,for very obvious

> reasons,I have not made any comments on the " CKV Rule " ...

> > Yours sincerely,

> > lyrastro1

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> >

> > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tin Win,

> > You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rangarajan

> >

> > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rangarajan,

> > >

> > > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends

on

> > the

> > > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is

why

> > the

> > > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course,

> > that

> > > is my understanding which may not be correct.

> > >

> > > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth

> > > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307,

> > > Astrosecrets, Part I.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

> > > <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tin Win,

> > > > You are partly right in that these do not take into account

> time

> > > and

> > > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will

> > > change

> > > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not

> > directly

> > > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out

was

> > that

> > > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place

of

> > > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time

and

> > > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place

fixed

> > and

> > > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying

> any

> > > > rule such as Balasekar's.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rangarajan

> > > >

> > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rangarajan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the

> 5th

> > > > cusp

> > > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p

> > 84;

> > > > K.P.

> > > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp

88-

> > 89),

> > > > b/

> > > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/

> > > > Balasekar's

> > > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do

> > not

> > > > take

> > > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message

> > #2671)

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , anant raichur

> > > <anant_1608>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Rangaraj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of

> > the

> > > > > parents.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in

> > > > advance,

> > > > > without

> > > > > >

> > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child,

based

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > chart of the mother/father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them

to

> > > > predict

> > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > gender of the child to be born.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed

> > > > something

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254,

> > Mr.Shanmugam

> > > > > observes

> > > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place

and

> > > time

> > > > is

> > > > > NOT

> > > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on

the

> > 5th

> > > > > cusps of

> > > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any

> > > > comments

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates

> the

> > > CKV

> > > > > rule

> > > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Rangarajan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Dear tw853,

Truly,how very "brilliant and clever ". !

Yours 'ly,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Lajmi ji,I'm responding to the useless first part which is is not relevant in the current issue.Thanks and best regards,tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear tw,> You do not seem to read carefully,you seem to be in some eternal hurry...and have missed the last part of the letter ?> This unseemly hurry only to somehow get your view in...seems needless...> With best wishes,>

lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > Dear Lajmi ji.> > The mentioned four tests for child sex have nothing to do with the > birth time of the child under consideration, correct or uncorrect. > > > Best regards,> > tw> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote:> > Dear tw,rangarajan et al,> > There seems to be a lot of > different opinions regarding the correct

TOB...> > The TOB as often referred to,in > K.P., is not the time of delivery......however,as per our Revered > Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as the > correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child...> > This time can thus be, a little > later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child... >

> I do not think that Astrosecrets > & K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and > straight forward,leaving very little room for ambiguity...!> > The child's gender determination > rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as motherhood > is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...!>

> Therefore,for very obvious > reasons,I have not made any comments on the "CKV Rule"...> > Yours sincerely,> > lyrastro1>

> GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > Dear Tin Win,> > You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Rangarajan,> > > > > > In the mentioned

three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on > > the > > > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why > > the > > > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, > > that > > > is my understanding which may not be correct.> > > > > > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth > > > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307, > > > Astrosecrets, Part I. > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > > > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Tin Win,> > > > You are partly right in that these do not take into account > time > > >

and > > > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will > > > change > > > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not > > directly > > > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was > > that > > > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of > > > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and > > > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed > > and > > > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying > any > > > > rule such as Balasekar's.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan,> > > > > > > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the > 5th > > > > cusp > > > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p > > 84; > > > > K.P. > > > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-> > 89), > > > > b/ > > > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ > > > > Balasekar's > > > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do > > not > > > > take > > > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message > > #2671)> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > >

tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Rangaraj> > > > > > > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of > > the > > > > > parents.> > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in > > > > advance, > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based > > on > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > chart of the mother/father. > > > > > > > > > > > > These rules

have to be tested and then we could use them to > > > > predict > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > gender of the child to be born.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed > > > > something > > > > > I > > > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, > > Mr.Shanmugam > > > > > observes > > > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and > > > time > > > > is > > > > > NOT

> > > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the > > 5th > > > > > cusps of > > > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any > > > > comments > > > > > on > > > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates > the > > > CKV > > > > > rule > > > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

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Dear Lajmi ji,

 

Same response to yours!

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1>

wrote:

> Dear tw853,

> Truly,how very " brilliant and clever " . !

> Yours 'ly,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> tw853 <tw853> wrote:

>

> Dear Lajmi ji,

>

> I'm responding to the useless first part which is is not relevant

in

> the current issue.

>

> Thanks and best regards,

>

> tw

>

>

>

> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi

<lyrastro1>

> wrote:

> > Dear tw,

> > You do not seem to read carefully,you seem to be in

some

> eternal hurry...and have missed the last part of the letter ?

> > This unseemly hurry only to somehow get your view

> in...seems needless...

> > With best wishes,

> > lyrastro1

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lajmi ji.

> >

> > The mentioned four tests for child sex have nothing to do with

the

> > birth time of the child under consideration, correct or

uncorrect.

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > tw

> > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi

> <lyrastro1>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear tw,rangarajan et al,

> > > There seems to be a lot of

> > different opinions regarding the correct TOB...

> > > The TOB as often referred

to,in

> > K.P., is not the time of delivery......however,as per our Revered

> > Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as

> the

> > correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child...

> > > This time can thus be, a

little

> > later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child...

> > > I do not think that

> Astrosecrets

> > & K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and

> > straight forward,leaving very little room for ambiguity...!

> > > The child's gender

> determination

> > rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as

motherhood

> > is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...!

> > > Therefore,for very obvious

> > reasons,I have not made any comments on the " CKV Rule " ...

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > > lyrastro1

> > > GOOD LUCK !

> > >

> > >

> > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tin Win,

> > > You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rangarajan

> > >

> > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rangarajan,

> > > >

> > > > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends

> on

> > > the

> > > > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is

> why

> > > the

> > > > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of

course,

> > > that

> > > > is my understanding which may not be correct.

> > > >

> > > > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth

> > > > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307,

> > > > Astrosecrets, Part I.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Rangarajan

Krishnamoorthy "

> > > > <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tin Win,

> > > > > You are partly right in that these do not take into account

> > time

> > > > and

> > > > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use

will

> > > > change

> > > > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not

> > > directly

> > > > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out

> was

> > > that

> > > > > there must be some correlation between gender and

time/place

> of

> > > > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time

> and

> > > > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place

> fixed

> > > and

> > > > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by

applying

> > any

> > > > > rule such as Balasekar's.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rangarajan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rangarajan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/

the

> > 5th

> > > > > cusp

> > > > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III,

p

> > > 84;

> > > > > K.P.

> > > > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp

> 88-

> > > 89),

> > > > > b/

> > > > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/

> > > > > Balasekar's

> > > > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39)

do

> > > not

> > > > > take

> > > > > > into account the time and place of child's birth.

(Message

> > > #2671)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tw

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , anant raichur

> > > > <anant_1608>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Rangaraj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses

of

> > > the

> > > > > > parents.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE

in

> > > > > advance,

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child,

> based

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > chart of the mother/father.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use

them

> to

> > > > > predict

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > gender of the child to be born.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I

noticed

> > > > > something

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254,

> > > Mr.Shanmugam

> > > > > > observes

> > > > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place

> and

> > > > time

> > > > > is

> > > > > > NOT

> > > > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on

> the

> > > 5th

> > > > > > cusps of

> > > > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have

any

> > > > > comments

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately

invalidates

> > the

> > > > CKV

> > > > > > rule

> > > > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Rangarajan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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