Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Dear Members, I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed something I couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam observes that the gender of a child born at a particular place and time is NOT dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th cusps of their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any comments on this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the CKV rule (perhaps other rules as well). Regards, Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Dear Rangarajan, The reason,probably is...that,motherhood is definite,while fatherhood could be theoretically,not so definite... Especially, in the promiscous and 'fast' times that obtain in today's world...this possibility is becoming more and more relevant,indeed... in my humble opinion...his foresight needs to be commended indeed. ! With best wishes, Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed something I couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam observes that the gender of a child born at a particular place and time is NOT dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th cusps of their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any comments on this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the CKV rule (perhaps other rules as well).Regards,Rangarajan India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Dear Rangaraj The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of the parents. Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in advance, without using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based on the chart of the mother/father. These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to predict the gender of the child to be born. --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > > > Dear Members, > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed something I > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam observes > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and time is NOT > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th cusps of > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any comments on > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the CKV rule > (perhaps other rules as well). > > Regards, > Rangarajan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Dear Rangarajan, Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the 5th cusp Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p 84; K.P. Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-89), b/ Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ Balasekar's Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do not take into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message #2671) Best regards, tw , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Rangaraj > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of the parents. > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in advance, without > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based on the > > chart of the mother/father. > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to predict the > > gender of the child to be born. > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed something I > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam observes > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and time is NOT > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th cusps of > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any comments on > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the CKV rule > > (perhaps other rules as well). > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 I guess, the rule has been created keeping twin birth in mind. There can be male and female twins and for twins date, time and place of birth remains nearly the same and hence it is hard to create any rule on the basis on date, time and place. Regards, Punit Pandey On Apr 4, 2005 12:36 PM, Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed something I couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam observes that the gender of a child born at a particular place and time is NOT dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th cusps of their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any comments on this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the CKV rule (perhaps other rules as well).Regards,Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Dear Rangarajan, In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on the the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why the rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, that is my understanding which may not be correct. Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307, Astrosecrets, Part I. Best regards, tw , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Tin Win, > You are partly right in that these do not take into account time and > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will change > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not directly > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was that > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed and > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying any > rule such as Balasekar's. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the 5th > cusp > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p 84; > K.P. > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-89), > b/ > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ > Balasekar's > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do not > take > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message #2671) > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote: > > > Dear Rangaraj > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of the > > parents. > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in > advance, > > without > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based on > the > > > > > > chart of the mother/father. > > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to > predict > > the > > > > > > gender of the child to be born. > > > > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed > something > > I > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam > > observes > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and time > is > > NOT > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th > > cusps of > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any > comments > > on > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the CKV > > rule > > > > (perhaps other rules as well). > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Dear Tin Win, You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying. Regards, Rangarajan , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan, > > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on the > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why the > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, that > is my understanding which may not be correct. > > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307, > Astrosecrets, Part I. > > Best regards, > > tw > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > Dear Tin Win, > > You are partly right in that these do not take into account time > and > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will > change > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not directly > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was that > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed and > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying any > > rule such as Balasekar's. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the 5th > > cusp > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p 84; > > K.P. > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88- 89), > > b/ > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ > > Balasekar's > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do not > > take > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message #2671) > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > <anant_1608> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Rangaraj > > > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of the > > > parents. > > > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in > > advance, > > > without > > > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based on > > the > > > > > > > > chart of the mother/father. > > > > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to > > predict > > > the > > > > > > > > gender of the child to be born. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed > > something > > > I > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam > > > observes > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and > time > > is > > > NOT > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th > > > cusps of > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any > > comments > > > on > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the > CKV > > > rule > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well). > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Dear tw,rangarajan et al, There seems to be a lot of different opinions regarding the correct TOB... The TOB as often referred to,in K.P., is not the time of delivery......however,as per our Revered Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as the correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child... This time can thus be, a little later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child... I do not think that Astrosecrets & K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and straight forward,leaving very little room for ambiguity...! The child's gender determination rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as motherhood is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...! Therefore,for very obvious reasons,I have not made any comments on the "CKV Rule"... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Tin Win,You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying.Regards,Rangarajan , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > Dear Rangarajan,> > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on the > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why the > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, that > is my understanding which may not be correct.> > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307, > Astrosecrets, Part I. > > Best regards,> > tw> > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > Dear Tin Win,> > You are partly right in that these do not take into account time > and > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will > change > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not directly > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was that > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed and > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying any > > rule such as Balasekar's.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Rangarajan,> > > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the 5th > > cusp > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p 84; > > K.P. > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-89), > > b/ > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ > > Balasekar's > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do not > > take > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message #2671)> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > <anant_1608> > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Rangaraj> > > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of the > > > parents.> > > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in > > advance, > > > without > > > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based on > > the> > > > > > > > chart of the mother/father. > > > > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to > > predict > > > the> > > > > > > > gender of the child to be born.> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed > > something > > > I > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, Mr.Shanmugam > > > observes > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and > time > > is > > > NOT > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the 5th > > > cusps of > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any > > comments > > > on > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the > CKV > > > rule > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well).> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Dear Lajmi ji. The mentioned four tests for child sex have nothing to do with the birth time of the child under consideration, correct or uncorrect. Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear tw,rangarajan et al, > There seems to be a lot of different opinions regarding the correct TOB... > The TOB as often referred to,in K.P., is not the time of delivery......however,as per our Revered Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as the correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child... > This time can thus be, a little later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child... > I do not think that Astrosecrets & K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and straight forward,leaving very little room for ambiguity...! > The child's gender determination rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as motherhood is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...! > Therefore,for very obvious reasons,I have not made any comments on the " CKV Rule " ... > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Tin Win, > You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on > the > > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why > the > > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, > that > > is my understanding which may not be correct. > > > > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth > > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307, > > Astrosecrets, Part I. > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tin Win, > > > You are partly right in that these do not take into account time > > and > > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will > > change > > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not > directly > > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was > that > > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of > > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and > > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed > and > > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying any > > > rule such as Balasekar's. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > > > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the 5th > > > cusp > > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p > 84; > > > K.P. > > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88- > 89), > > > b/ > > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ > > > Balasekar's > > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do > not > > > take > > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message > #2671) > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > <anant_1608> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Rangaraj > > > > > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of > the > > > > parents. > > > > > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in > > > advance, > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based > on > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart of the mother/father. > > > > > > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to > > > predict > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > gender of the child to be born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed > > > something > > > > I > > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, > Mr.Shanmugam > > > > observes > > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and > > time > > > is > > > > NOT > > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the > 5th > > > > cusps of > > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any > > > comments > > > > on > > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the > > CKV > > > > rule > > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well). > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Dear tw, You do not seem to read carefully,you seem to be in some eternal hurry...and have missed the last part of the letter ? This unseemly hurry only to somehow get your view in...seems needless... With best wishes, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Lajmi ji.The mentioned four tests for child sex have nothing to do with the birth time of the child under consideration, correct or uncorrect. Best regards,tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear tw,rangarajan et al,> There seems to be a lot of different opinions regarding the correct TOB...> The TOB as often referred to,in K.P., is not the time of delivery......however,as per our Revered Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as the correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child...> This time can thus be, a little later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child... > I do not think that Astrosecrets & K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and straight forward,leaving very little room for ambiguity...!> The child's gender determination rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as motherhood is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...!> Therefore,for very obvious reasons,I have not made any comments on the "CKV Rule"...> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear Tin Win,> You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying.> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > Dear Rangarajan,> > > > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on > the > > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why > the > > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, > that > > is my understanding which may not be correct.> > > > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth > > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307, > > Astrosecrets, Part I. > > > > Best regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Tin Win,> > > You are partly right in that these do not take into account time > > and > > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will > > change > > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not > directly > > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was > that > > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of > > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and > > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed > and > > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying any > > > rule such as Balasekar's.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Rangarajan> > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan,> > > > > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the 5th > > > cusp > > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p > 84; > > > K.P. > > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-> 89), > > > b/ > > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ > > > Balasekar's > > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do > not > > > take > > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message > #2671)> > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > <anant_1608> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Rangaraj> > > > > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of > the > > > > parents.> > > > > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in > > > advance, > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based > on > > > the> > > > > > > > > > chart of the mother/father. > > > > > > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to > > > predict > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > gender of the child to be born.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed > > > something > > > > I > > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, > Mr.Shanmugam > > > > observes > > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and > > time > > > is > > > > NOT > > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the > 5th > > > > cusps of > > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any > > > comments > > > > on > > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates the > > CKV > > > > rule > > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well).> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Dear Lajmi ji, I'm responding to the useless first part which is is not relevant in the current issue. Thanks and best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear tw, > You do not seem to read carefully,you seem to be in some eternal hurry...and have missed the last part of the letter ? > This unseemly hurry only to somehow get your view in...seems needless... > With best wishes, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Lajmi ji. > > The mentioned four tests for child sex have nothing to do with the > birth time of the child under consideration, correct or uncorrect. > > > Best regards, > > tw > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear tw,rangarajan et al, > > There seems to be a lot of > different opinions regarding the correct TOB... > > The TOB as often referred to,in > K.P., is not the time of delivery......however,as per our Revered > Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as the > correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child... > > This time can thus be, a little > later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child... > > I do not think that Astrosecrets > & K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and > straight forward,leaving very little room for ambiguity...! > > The child's gender determination > rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as motherhood > is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...! > > Therefore,for very obvious > reasons,I have not made any comments on the " CKV Rule " ... > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > Dear Tin Win, > > You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > > > > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on > > the > > > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why > > the > > > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, > > that > > > is my understanding which may not be correct. > > > > > > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth > > > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307, > > > Astrosecrets, Part I. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > > > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tin Win, > > > > You are partly right in that these do not take into account > time > > > and > > > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will > > > change > > > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not > > directly > > > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was > > that > > > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of > > > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and > > > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed > > and > > > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying > any > > > > rule such as Balasekar's. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > > > > > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the > 5th > > > > cusp > > > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p > > 84; > > > > K.P. > > > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88- > > 89), > > > > b/ > > > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ > > > > Balasekar's > > > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do > > not > > > > take > > > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message > > #2671) > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rangaraj > > > > > > > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of > > the > > > > > parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in > > > > advance, > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > chart of the mother/father. > > > > > > > > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to > > > > predict > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > gender of the child to be born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed > > > > something > > > > > I > > > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, > > Mr.Shanmugam > > > > > observes > > > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and > > > time > > > > is > > > > > NOT > > > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the > > 5th > > > > > cusps of > > > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any > > > > comments > > > > > on > > > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates > the > > > CKV > > > > > rule > > > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Dear tw853, Truly,how very "brilliant and clever ". ! Yours 'ly, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Lajmi ji,I'm responding to the useless first part which is is not relevant in the current issue.Thanks and best regards,tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear tw,> You do not seem to read carefully,you seem to be in some eternal hurry...and have missed the last part of the letter ?> This unseemly hurry only to somehow get your view in...seems needless...> With best wishes,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > Dear Lajmi ji.> > The mentioned four tests for child sex have nothing to do with the > birth time of the child under consideration, correct or uncorrect. > > > Best regards,> > tw> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote:> > Dear tw,rangarajan et al,> > There seems to be a lot of > different opinions regarding the correct TOB...> > The TOB as often referred to,in > K.P., is not the time of delivery......however,as per our Revered > Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as the > correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child...> > This time can thus be, a little > later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child... > > I do not think that Astrosecrets > & K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and > straight forward,leaving very little room for ambiguity...!> > The child's gender determination > rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as motherhood > is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...!> > Therefore,for very obvious > reasons,I have not made any comments on the "CKV Rule"...> > Yours sincerely,> > lyrastro1> > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > Dear Tin Win,> > You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Rangarajan,> > > > > > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends on > > the > > > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is why > > the > > > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, > > that > > > is my understanding which may not be correct.> > > > > > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth > > > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307, > > > Astrosecrets, Part I. > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > > > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Tin Win,> > > > You are partly right in that these do not take into account > time > > > and > > > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will > > > change > > > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not > > directly > > > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out was > > that > > > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place of > > > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time and > > > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place fixed > > and > > > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying > any > > > > rule such as Balasekar's.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan,> > > > > > > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the > 5th > > > > cusp > > > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p > > 84; > > > > K.P. > > > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp 88-> > 89), > > > > b/ > > > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ > > > > Balasekar's > > > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do > > not > > > > take > > > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message > > #2671)> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Rangaraj> > > > > > > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of > > the > > > > > parents.> > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in > > > > advance, > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, based > > on > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > chart of the mother/father. > > > > > > > > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them to > > > > predict > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > gender of the child to be born.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed > > > > something > > > > > I > > > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, > > Mr.Shanmugam > > > > > observes > > > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place and > > > time > > > > is > > > > > NOT > > > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on the > > 5th > > > > > cusps of > > > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any > > > > comments > > > > > on > > > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates > the > > > CKV > > > > > rule > > > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Dear Lajmi ji, Same response to yours! Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear tw853, > Truly,how very " brilliant and clever " . ! > Yours 'ly, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Lajmi ji, > > I'm responding to the useless first part which is is not relevant in > the current issue. > > Thanks and best regards, > > tw > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear tw, > > You do not seem to read carefully,you seem to be in some > eternal hurry...and have missed the last part of the letter ? > > This unseemly hurry only to somehow get your view > in...seems needless... > > With best wishes, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Lajmi ji. > > > > The mentioned four tests for child sex have nothing to do with the > > birth time of the child under consideration, correct or uncorrect. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1> > > wrote: > > > Dear tw,rangarajan et al, > > > There seems to be a lot of > > different opinions regarding the correct TOB... > > > The TOB as often referred to,in > > K.P., is not the time of delivery......however,as per our Revered > > Guruji, the time of the First Cry of the child alone is taken as > the > > correct birth-tme(TOB),of the birth of the child... > > > This time can thus be, a little > > later than the exact time of the deliverance of the child... > > > I do not think that > Astrosecrets > > & K.P., says otherwise...at any time...K.P. Rules are simple and > > straight forward,leaving very little room for ambiguity...! > > > The child's gender > determination > > rules are only refering to the Vth cusp of the mother,as motherhood > > is definite/fixed,while fatherhood need not necessarily be so...! > > > Therefore,for very obvious > > reasons,I have not made any comments on the " CKV Rule " ... > > > Yours sincerely, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tin Win, > > > You are right. I think I misunderstood what you were saying. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > > > > > > In the mentioned three rules or CKV, 5th cusp sublord depends > on > > > the > > > > the time and place of birth of mother not the child. That is > why > > > the > > > > rules are not contrary to the Shanmugam's statement. Of course, > > > that > > > > is my understanding which may not be correct. > > > > > > > > Another thing, regarding Punit ji's saying about twin birth > > > > prediction, some information is available in pp 304-307, > > > > Astrosecrets, Part I. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > > > > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tin Win, > > > > > You are partly right in that these do not take into account > > time > > > > and > > > > > place of birth. However, the 5th cusp that all rules use will > > > > change > > > > > based on time and birth. In fact, even CKV rule does not > > > directly > > > > > use the time and place of birth. What I meant to point out > was > > > that > > > > > there must be some correlation between gender and time/place > of > > > > > birth since the appropriate cusps (5th etc.) depend on time > and > > > > > place. I guess one can observe this by keeping the place > fixed > > > and > > > > > by varying the birth time for a given native and by applying > > any > > > > > rule such as Balasekar's. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding child's sex test, as far as I understand, a/ the > > 5th > > > > > cusp > > > > > > Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part III, p > > > 84; > > > > > K.P. > > > > > > Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part II, pp > 88- > > > 89), > > > > > b/ > > > > > > Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)and, c/ > > > > > Balasekar's > > > > > > Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year Book 2000, p 39) do > > > not > > > > > take > > > > > > into account the time and place of child's birth. (Message > > > #2671) > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > > > <anant_1608> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Rangaraj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gender of a child depends on the X and Y chromoses of > > > the > > > > > > parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever rules/observations are there is to DETERMINE in > > > > > advance, > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using the Modern Medical Means, the sex of the child, > based > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart of the mother/father. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These rules have to be tested and then we could use them > to > > > > > predict > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gender of the child to be born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I was going thru Astrosecrets, Part - 1 when I noticed > > > > > something > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > couldn't digest immediately. On pages 253-254, > > > Mr.Shanmugam > > > > > > observes > > > > > > > > that the gender of a child born at a particular place > and > > > > time > > > > > is > > > > > > NOT > > > > > > > > dependent on the time and place of birth, but only on > the > > > 5th > > > > > > cusps of > > > > > > > > their mothers (assuming first child?). Do you have any > > > > > comments > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > this? If this is true, then it immediately invalidates > > the > > > > CKV > > > > > > rule > > > > > > > > (perhaps other rules as well). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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