Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Dear Members, I have a fundamental question on western aspects: Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? Or is it that an aspect just " exists " between two planets and one planet does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet can aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is important, that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on page 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of " Moon receiving good aspect from Venus " . Can someone throw light on this? Regards, Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Dear Rangrajan ji, please refer book ASTROSECRETS AND KRISHNAMUTY PADHATY Page no:16 to 25 , 69 to 85 By M.P.Shanmugham regards kanak bosmia >"Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga > > > Western Aspects >Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:15:39 -0000 > > >Dear Members, >I have a fundamental question on western aspects: >Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a >planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? Or >is it that an aspect just "exists" between two planets and one planet >does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > >I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet can >aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is important, >that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on page >248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of "Moon receiving good aspect from >Venus". > >Can someone throw light on this? > >Regards, >Rangarajan > > > Want to meet David Beckham? Fly to Madrid with Gillette! Find out how! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Dear Kanak, you seem to be very well readd here , can you please suggest me some books wher i can study kp please Thanks Rajat Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: Dear Rangrajan ji, please refer book ASTROSECRETS AND KRISHNAMUTY PADHATY Page no:16 to 25 , 69 to 85 By M.P.Shanmugham regards kanak bosmia >"Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga > > > Western Aspects >Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:15:39 -0000 > > >Dear Members, >I have a fundamental question on western aspects: >Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a >planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? Or >is it that an aspect just "exists" between two planets and one planet >does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > >I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet can >aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is important, >that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on page >248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of "Moon receiving good aspect from >Venus". > >Can someone throw light on this? > >Regards, >Rangarajan > > > Want to meet David Beckham? Fly to Madrid with Gillette! Find out how! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Dear Rangarajan, Having had a western astrology background for many years (in the past), I can safely say that all planets cast the same set of aspects in western astrology. That is, all angles (aspects) are taken into account for all planets and that they are always bi- directional or two-way. When I first came to Hindu astrology over 10 years ago, it was difficult for me to switch to traditional Hindu aspects, one-way and special aspects of the outer planets (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn) but they have become easy now for me. Most of my friends are practitioners of western astrology, and so when I have conversations with them, I automatically switch back. As for the use of western aspects in KP, my studies of KP over the past few months seem to indicate that Prof. KSK was inclined to promote investigation into the use of western aspects, as I know them. Since I have not been long into KP, I cannot give you any definitive answer as to their validity under KP. But, time will tell with further research. Regards, Neville Lang Melbourne, Australia , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Members, > I have a fundamental question on western aspects: > Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a > planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? Or > is it that an aspect just " exists " between two planets and one planet > does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > > I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet can > aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is important, > that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on page > 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of " Moon receiving good aspect from > Venus " . > > Can someone throw light on this? > > Regards, > Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Dear Rajat Ji, Reader 1 to 6 and ASTROSECRETS AND KRISHNAMUTY PADHATY 1 to 3 and chandrakant Bhatt's NAKSTRACHINTAMANI,FERTHER LIGHT ON NAKSTRACHINTAMANI AND DISEASE THIS 12 BOOKmake you perfect Kp astrologer. regards kanak bosmia >lonely pearl <lonesone_onesome > > >RE: Western Aspects >Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:31:47 -0700 (PDT) > >Dear Kanak, you seem to be very well readd here , can you please suggest me some books wher i can study kp please > >Thanks > >Rajat > > Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: > >Dear Rangrajan ji, > >please refer book ASTROSECRETS AND KRISHNAMUTY PADHATY Page no:16 to 25 , 69 to 85 > >By M.P.Shanmugham > >regards > >kanak bosmia > > > > > >"Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga > > > > > > Western Aspects > >Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:15:39 -0000 > > > > > >Dear Members, > >I have a fundamental question on western aspects: > >Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a > >planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? Or > >is it that an aspect just "exists" between two planets and one planet > >does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > > > >I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet can > >aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is important, > >that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on page > >248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of "Moon receiving good aspect from > >Venus". > > > >Can someone throw light on this? > > > >Regards, > >Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > >Want to meet David Beckham? Fly to Madrid with Gillette! Find out how! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Dear Kanak and list members, Though I am still new to KP system, and while I have all of the 6 Readers, I also have the 3 Astrosecrets books as well as the 3 books by Chandrakant R. Bhatt (many thanks to Kanak for these). While I have not read every book from cover to cover, I have read all of the Nakshtra Chintamani by Chandrakant R. Bhatt and must say, it has made the KP system a lot clearer to me then the other books. I have just started reading his other book " Further Lights on Nakshatra Chintamani " and I can see already how it will be useful as it has many example charts (over 60 charts) and discusses these charts using the KP system. Regards, Neville , " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Dear Lajmi ji, My confusion, in fact, arises from reading KP Reader, Vol 1, Page 118. You will notice that KSK explains that the speed of the planet decides which planet " applies to " which other planet. In fact, he says " ... Mercury can therefore apply to all other planets except the Moon... " . What does this mean? Towards the end of the first para on this page, he says, " Therefore carefully note the exact daily motions of Sun, Mercury and Venus before one records whether, in a particular person's chart, Mercury will apply to Venus or vice versa. " What do you make of this? I certainly respect your advice as a senior KP astrologer, but please understand that I (and most others who participate in this forum) do not have " fixed " opinions. Confusions such as this arise because we read books and articles that are not necessarily well written. I wish I had access to Bhatt's books, but Kanakji's comments on the publisher have dampened my hope (of getting the books) somewhat. Also for your kind information, I do not have traditional astrology background, so there is nothing to " unlearn " for me. Regards, Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan, > You say... " I've always been under the impression... " > All K.P. students,should unlearn first, and then, study K.P. Readers,carefully...to avoid such misconceptions to creep in... > Also please do not carry any so- called " old,and widely held beliefs among astrologers of yore " ,as they are against most of the teachings of our Guruji the revered KSK...and he had spent his lifetime disproving these widely held " beliefs " ...quite convincingly... > This continual adhereance to old beliefs,mostly unscientific and unfounded in practice,leads to such confusions Mr.Rangarajan... > The above is my humble opinion... > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Members, > I have a fundamental question on western aspects: > Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a > planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? Or > is it that an aspect just " exists " between two planets and one planet > does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > > I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet can > aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is important, > that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on page > 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of " Moon receiving good aspect from > Venus " . > > Can someone throw light on this? > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Dear Rangarajan Aspect is defined as the angular distancve between two planets. Western aspects are from 0 to 180 deg only, and measured zodiacwise. The Indian Aspects of 8,9,10,11,12 do not exist in Western aspects. Shree Kuppuswamy is an expert in this. Please consult him Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,I have a fundamental question on western aspects:Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? Or is it that an aspect just "exists" between two planets and one planet does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet can aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is important, that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on page 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of "Moon receiving good aspect from Venus". Can someone throw light on this?Regards,Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Dear Rangarajan In western astrology, there are two types of Aspect, Applying and Seperating. Here it is only a Faster moving planet which can cause an applyin aspect on a slower one. It will approach the aspect (when within orb), make the exact aspect, and then seperate from the aspect. Except when one planet is Retro, it is the fastermoving planet that can make the aspects. However, when such an aspect does occur, the effect is on both the aspecting planet and aspected planet.(Bi-directional) Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Lajmi ji,My confusion, in fact, arises from reading KP Reader, Vol 1, Page 118. You will notice that KSK explains that the speed of the planet decides which planet "applies to" which other planet. In fact, he says "... Mercury can therefore apply to all other planets except the Moon...". What does this mean?Towards the end of the first para on this page, he says, "Therefore carefully note the exact daily motions of Sun, Mercury and Venus before one records whether, in a particular person's chart, Mercury will apply to Venus or vice versa." What do you make of this?I certainly respect your advice as a senior KP astrologer, but please understand that I (and most others who participate in this forum) do not have "fixed" opinions. Confusions such as this arise because we read books and articles that are not necessarily well written. I wish I had access to Bhatt's books, but Kanakji's comments on the publisher have dampened my hope (of getting the books) somewhat.Also for your kind information, I do not have traditional astrology background, so there is nothing to "unlearn" for me.Regards,Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote:> Dear Rangarajan,> You say..."I've always been under the impression..."> All K.P. students,should unlearn first, and then, study K.P. Readers,carefully...to avoid such misconceptions to creep in...> Also please do not carry any so-called "old,and widely held beliefs among astrologers of yore",as they are against most of the teachings of our Guruji the revered KSK...and he had spent his lifetime disproving these widely held "beliefs"...quite convincingly...> This continual adhereance to old beliefs,mostly unscientific and unfounded in practice,leads to such confusions Mr.Rangarajan...> The above is my humble opinion...> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:> > Dear Members,> I have a fundamental question on western aspects:> Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a > planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? Or > is it that an aspect just "exists" between two planets and one planet > does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > > I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet can > aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is important, > that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on page > 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of "Moon receiving good aspect from > Venus". > > Can someone throw light on this?> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Dear Mr. Rangarajan, Perhaps, the aspects are valid bi-directionally. However, other's opinion are solicited. Regards, Vijay Kumar On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:15:39 -0000, Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote > Dear Members, > I have a fundamental question on western aspects: > Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a > planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? > Or is it that an aspect just " exists " between two planets and one > planet does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > > I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet > can aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is > important, that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. > However, on page 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of " Moon receiving > good aspect from Venus " . > > Can someone throw light on this? > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Dear Sri Rangarajan, I admire your approach in raising very basic issues.You have raised very basic issue of planetary aspects in thw KP system. Since many have entered this group to learn a different perspective of planetary interpretation,we deserve some space.Sri KSK would have probably gone thro similar situations when 'challenging' traditional beliefs.We are not clones. Having knowledge of traditional astrology in my opinion makes understanding easier,because you alreaady a reference,to be dogmatic or not is personal choice therafter.If you put your blinkers, discussion free from bias is not possible. You put forth to us CKV rule which is helping us, so please sail ahead. Best wishes, Satish , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Lajmi ji, > My confusion, in fact, arises from reading KP Reader, Vol 1, Page > 118. You will notice that KSK explains that the speed of the planet > decides which planet " applies to " which other planet. In fact, he > says " ... Mercury can therefore apply to all other planets except > the Moon... " . What does this mean? > > Towards the end of the first para on this page, he says, " Therefore > carefully note the exact daily motions of Sun, Mercury and Venus > before one records whether, in a particular person's chart, Mercury > will apply to Venus or vice versa. " What do you make of this? > > I certainly respect your advice as a senior KP astrologer, but > please understand that I (and most others who participate in this > forum) do not have " fixed " opinions. Confusions such as this arise > because we read books and articles that are not necessarily well > written. I wish I had access to Bhatt's books, but Kanakji's > comments on the publisher have dampened my hope (of getting the > books) somewhat. > > Also for your kind information, I do not have traditional astrology > background, so there is nothing to " unlearn " for me. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan, > > You say... " I've always been under the > impression... " > > All K.P. students,should unlearn first, > and then, study K.P. Readers,carefully...to avoid such > misconceptions to creep in... > > Also please do not carry any so- > called " old,and widely held beliefs among astrologers of yore " ,as > they are against most of the teachings of our Guruji the revered > KSK...and he had spent his lifetime disproving these widely > held " beliefs " ...quite convincingly... > > This continual adhereance to old > beliefs,mostly unscientific and unfounded in practice,leads to such > confusions Mr.Rangarajan... > > The above is my humble opinion... > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > I have a fundamental question on western aspects: > > Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if > a > > planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects > Moon? Or > > is it that an aspect just " exists " between two planets and one > planet > > does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > > > > I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet > can > > aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is > important, > > that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on > page > > 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of " Moon receiving good aspect > from > > Venus " . > > > > Can someone throw light on this? > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Dear Rangarajan, 1. You're doing a good job as Guruji KSK says, " Western aspects must be studied and used to arrive at accurate predictions. There is no shame in including the Western system - - . " 2. However, as far as my reading goes, any example of using Western aspects hasn't been found in KP Reders, as mentioned before. 3. As you're aware " Moon., receiving good aspect from Venus, --- " (KP Reader II, p 248) is HINDU aspect, like " Moon-Mercury-Venus, when they aspect each other amongst themselves, " (Astrosecrets, Part I, 71), " Moon and Rahu are aspected by Jupiter " (Nakshatra Chitamani, p 17), and " Sun or Moon in good aspect to Jupiter " (Further Lights on Nakshatra Chitamani, p 226). 4. Also you've noticed, " ---Mercury can therefore apply to all other planets except the Moon--- " ; " Therefore carefully note the exact daily motions of Sun, Mecury and Venus before one records whether, in a particular person's chart, Mercury will apply to Venus or vice veras. " are about WESTERN aspects where a faster moving planet on that particular day according to emphemeris can aspect a slower moving planet than another planet Not much relevant or can not be expected too much for your basic question is " Nirayana Horoscope & Principles of Western Aspects " (Further Lights on Nakshatra Chitamani, p 218-221); also " Aspects in KP, by K. Balachandran " , (KP Year Book, 1999, pp 74-75); " Aspects and Orbs in K.P.- New Features " by T. R. Kumar " (KP Year Book, 2000, pp 80-83). Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan, > You say... " I've always been under the impression... " > All K.P. students,should unlearn first, and then, study K.P. Readers,carefully...to avoid such misconceptions to creep in... > Also please do not carry any so- called " old,and widely held beliefs among astrologers of yore " ,as they are against most of the teachings of our Guruji the revered KSK...and he had spent his lifetime disproving these widely held " beliefs " ...quite convincingly... > This continual adhereance to old beliefs,mostly unscientific and unfounded in practice,leads to such confusions Mr.Rangarajan... > The above is my humble opinion... > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Members, > I have a fundamental question on western aspects: > Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a > planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? Or > is it that an aspect just " exists " between two planets and one planet > does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > > I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet can > aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is important, > that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on page > 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of " Moon receiving good aspect from > Venus " . > > Can someone throw light on this? > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Dear Satish, 1. You're right that Rangarajan is studying Western aspects as said by Guruji KSK. 2. TRADITIONAL knowledge is a credit not debit in learning KP. 3. How the WESTERN Placidus house system will be useful if TRADITIONAL zodiac and TRADITIONAL unpropotional Vimshottari dasa system were unlearned? Best regards, tw , " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942> wrote: > > Dear Sri Rangarajan, > > I admire your approach in raising very basic issues.You have raised > very basic issue of planetary aspects in thw KP system. > > Since many have entered this group to learn a different perspective of planetary interpretation,we deserve some space.Sri KSK would have > probably gone thro similar situations when 'challenging' traditional > beliefs.We are not clones. > > Having knowledge of traditional astrology in my opinion makes > understanding easier,because you alreaady a reference,to be dogmatic > or not is personal choice therafter.If you put your blinkers, > discussion free from bias is not possible. > > You put forth to us CKV rule which is helping us, so please sail > ahead. > > Best wishes, > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > Dear Lajmi ji, > > My confusion, in fact, arises from reading KP Reader, Vol 1, Page > > 118. You will notice that KSK explains that the speed of the > planet > > decides which planet " applies to " which other planet. In fact, he > > says " ... Mercury can therefore apply to all other planets except > > the Moon... " . What does this mean? > > > > Towards the end of the first para on this page, he > says, " Therefore > > carefully note the exact daily motions of Sun, Mercury and Venus > > before one records whether, in a particular person's chart, > Mercury > > will apply to Venus or vice versa. " What do you make of this? > > > > I certainly respect your advice as a senior KP astrologer, but > > please understand that I (and most others who participate in this > > forum) do not have " fixed " opinions. Confusions such as this arise > > because we read books and articles that are not necessarily well > > written. I wish I had access to Bhatt's books, but Kanakji's > > comments on the publisher have dampened my hope (of getting the > > books) somewhat. > > > > Also for your kind information, I do not have traditional > astrology > > background, so there is nothing to " unlearn " for me. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1> > > wrote: > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > You say... " I've always been under the > > impression... " > > > All K.P. students,should unlearn first, > > and then, study K.P. Readers,carefully...to avoid such > > misconceptions to creep in... > > > Also please do not carry any so- > > called " old,and widely held beliefs among astrologers of yore " ,as > > they are against most of the teachings of our Guruji the revered > > KSK...and he had spent his lifetime disproving these widely > > held " beliefs " ...quite convincingly... > > > This continual adhereance to old > > beliefs,mostly unscientific and unfounded in practice,leads to > such > > confusions Mr.Rangarajan... > > > The above is my humble opinion... > > > Yours sincerely, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > I have a fundamental question on western aspects: > > > Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, > if > > a > > > planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects > > Moon? Or > > > is it that an aspect just " exists " between two planets and one > > planet > > > does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > > > > > > I have been under the impression that only a faster moving > planet > > can > > > aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is > > important, > > > that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on > > page > > > 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of " Moon receiving good aspect > > from > > > Venus " . > > > > > > Can someone throw light on this? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Dear Tin Win, Thanks for the comments. I too believe that KSK was talking about Hindu aspects in that context. I will look for references to western aspects in KSK's books. Regards, Rangarajan , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan, > > 1. You're doing a good job as Guruji KSK says, " Western aspects > must be studied and used to arrive at accurate predictions. There is > no shame in including the Western system - - . " > > > > 2. However, as far as my reading goes, any example of using > Western aspects hasn't been found in KP Reders, as mentioned before. > > 3. As you're aware " Moon., receiving good aspect from Venus, --- > " (KP Reader II, p 248) is HINDU aspect, like " Moon-Mercury-Venus, > when they aspect each other amongst themselves, " (Astrosecrets, Part > I, 71), " Moon and Rahu are aspected by Jupiter " (Nakshatra > Chitamani, p 17), and " Sun or Moon in good aspect to Jupiter " > (Further Lights on Nakshatra Chitamani, p 226). > > 4. Also you've noticed, " ---Mercury can therefore apply to all > other planets except the Moon--- " ; " Therefore carefully note the > exact daily motions of Sun, Mecury and Venus before one records > whether, in a particular person's chart, Mercury will apply to Venus > or vice veras. " are about WESTERN aspects where a faster moving > planet on that particular day according to emphemeris can aspect a > slower moving planet than another planet Not much relevant or can not > be expected too much for your basic question is " Nirayana Horoscope > & Principles of Western Aspects " (Further Lights on Nakshatra > Chitamani, p 218-221); also " Aspects in KP, by K. Balachandran " , (KP > Year Book, 1999, pp 74-75); " Aspects and Orbs in K.P.- New > Features " by T. R. Kumar " (KP Year Book, 2000, pp 80-83). > > Best regards, > > tw > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan, > > You say... " I've always been under the > impression... " > > All K.P. students,should unlearn first, > and then, study K.P. Readers,carefully...to avoid such misconceptions > to creep in... > > Also please do not carry any so- > called " old,and widely held beliefs among astrologers of yore " ,as > they are against most of the teachings of our Guruji the revered > KSK...and he had spent his lifetime disproving these widely > held " beliefs " ...quite convincingly... > > This continual adhereance to old > beliefs,mostly unscientific and unfounded in practice,leads to such > confusions Mr.Rangarajan... > > The above is my humble opinion... > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > I have a fundamental question on western aspects: > > Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a > > planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? > Or > > is it that an aspect just " exists " between two planets and one > planet > > does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > > > > I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet > can > > aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is > important, > > that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on page > > 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of " Moon receiving good aspect from > > Venus " . > > > > Can someone throw light on this? > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Dear Mr Rangarajan andother friends, We are discussing planetary aspects, western and vedic. I seek some clarifications. Aspects between planets are bi-directional,however due to the concept of inner planets and outer planets,it is stated outer planets have overbearing effect on inner planets even to the level of transformation of effects. At the same time,under KP concept we give least priority to aspects and conjunctions,primacy being given as follows. 1 planets in the star of the occupants 2.occupants 3 planets in star of cuspal lords 4 cuspal lords 5 planets in conjunction/aspects. In the above analysis,aspects are given least power,why so.There are further western aspects classified 30/60 deg etc.Is the classification of 30 or 60 or 90 etc. for convenience because aspects are also in smooth progression,and not discrete. ,Mr Rangarajan and others ,are there actual cases of such effects,or is this of academic interest only. Regards, Satish , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan, > > 1. You're doing a good job as Guruji KSK says, " Western aspects > must be studied and used to arrive at accurate predictions. There is > no shame in including the Western system - - . " > > > > 2. However, as far as my reading goes, any example of using > Western aspects hasn't been found in KP Reders, as mentioned before. > > 3. As you're aware " Moon., receiving good aspect from Venus, --- > " (KP Reader II, p 248) is HINDU aspect, like " Moon-Mercury-Venus, > when they aspect each other amongst themselves, " (Astrosecrets, Part > I, 71), " Moon and Rahu are aspected by Jupiter " (Nakshatra > Chitamani, p 17), and " Sun or Moon in good aspect to Jupiter " > (Further Lights on Nakshatra Chitamani, p 226). > > 4. Also you've noticed, " ---Mercury can therefore apply to all > other planets except the Moon--- " ; " Therefore carefully note the > exact daily motions of Sun, Mecury and Venus before one records > whether, in a particular person's chart, Mercury will apply to Venus > or vice veras. " are about WESTERN aspects where a faster moving > planet on that particular day according to emphemeris can aspect a > slower moving planet than another planet Not much relevant or can not > be expected too much for your basic question is " Nirayana Horoscope > & Principles of Western Aspects " (Further Lights on Nakshatra > Chitamani, p 218-221); also " Aspects in KP, by K. Balachandran " , (KP > Year Book, 1999, pp 74-75); " Aspects and Orbs in K.P.- New > Features " by T. R. Kumar " (KP Year Book, 2000, pp 80-83). > > Best regards, > > tw > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan, > > You say... " I've always been under the > impression... " > > All K.P. students,should unlearn first, > and then, study K.P. Readers,carefully...to avoid such misconceptions > to creep in... > > Also please do not carry any so- > called " old,and widely held beliefs among astrologers of yore " ,as > they are against most of the teachings of our Guruji the revered > KSK...and he had spent his lifetime disproving these widely > held " beliefs " ...quite convincingly... > > This continual adhereance to old > beliefs,mostly unscientific and unfounded in practice,leads to such > confusions Mr.Rangarajan... > > The above is my humble opinion... > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > I have a fundamental question on western aspects: > > Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, if a > > planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects Moon? > Or > > is it that an aspect just " exists " between two planets and one > planet > > does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > > > > I have been under the impression that only a faster moving planet > can > > aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is > important, > > that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on page > > 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of " Moon receiving good aspect from > > Venus " . > > > > Can someone throw light on this? > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Dear Satish, As you can see from my previous postings, I am also interested in understanding western aspects more deeply. Not all western aspects are just multiples of 30 degrees as you believe. The general theory is that aspects are obtained by dividing 360 degrees by whole numbers, example dividing by 2 gives 180, by 3 gives 120, by 4 gives 90 and so on. If you divide by 5, you get 72 degrees, called the Quintile aspect. KSK First Reader has a chapter on this. I found " Aspects in Astrology " by " Sue Tompkins " good to understand western aspects. In the context of planetary significations of houses, KSK has listed conjunctions and aspects as the last point. I am not sure if it is correct to say this is therefore " least " powerful. I have heard a senior KP astrologer tell me once that in a particular native's chart the 7th cuspal sublord did not signify 2 or 7 or 11 for marriage according to the first 4 steps, but the native got married because the 2/7/11 signification came about due to western aspects (the last point). Such cases may or may not be rare, but those exist. In the case of the nodes, aspects are defintely very powerful. Western astrologers rely upon these aspects very much in their day-to-day predictions. These aspects are also used heavily in progressions and transits. I am sure other senior astrologers in this group can give you more information. Regards, Rangarajan , " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942> wrote: > > > Dear Mr Rangarajan andother friends, > > We are discussing planetary aspects, western and vedic. > > I seek some clarifications. > > Aspects between planets are bi-directional,however due to the > concept of inner planets and outer planets,it is stated outer > planets have overbearing effect on inner planets even to the level > of transformation of effects. > > At the same time,under KP concept we give least priority to aspects > and conjunctions,primacy being given as follows. > 1 planets in the star of the occupants > 2.occupants > 3 planets in star of cuspal lords > 4 cuspal lords > 5 planets in conjunction/aspects. > > In the above analysis,aspects are given least power,why so.There are > further western aspects classified 30/60 deg etc.Is the > classification of 30 or 60 or 90 etc. for convenience because > aspects are also in smooth progression,and not discrete. > > ,Mr Rangarajan and others ,are there actual cases of such effects,or > is this of academic interest only. > > Regards, > > Satish > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > > 1. You're doing a good job as Guruji KSK says, " Western aspects > > must be studied and used to arrive at accurate predictions. There > is > > no shame in including the Western system - - . " > > > > > > > > 2. However, as far as my reading goes, any example of using > > Western aspects hasn't been found in KP Reders, as mentioned > before. > > > > 3. As you're aware " Moon., receiving good aspect from Venus, --- > > " (KP Reader II, p 248) is HINDU aspect, like " Moon-Mercury-Venus, > > when they aspect each other amongst themselves, " (Astrosecrets, > Part > > I, 71), " Moon and Rahu are aspected by Jupiter " (Nakshatra > > Chitamani, p 17), and " Sun or Moon in good aspect to Jupiter " > > (Further Lights on Nakshatra Chitamani, p 226). > > > > 4. Also you've noticed, " ---Mercury can therefore apply to > all > > other planets except the Moon--- " ; " Therefore carefully note the > > exact daily motions of Sun, Mecury and Venus before one records > > whether, in a particular person's chart, Mercury will apply to > Venus > > or vice veras. " are about WESTERN aspects where a faster moving > > planet on that particular day according to emphemeris can aspect a > > slower moving planet than another planet Not much relevant or can > not > > be expected too much for your basic question is " Nirayana > Horoscope > > & Principles of Western Aspects " (Further Lights on Nakshatra > > Chitamani, p 218-221); also " Aspects in KP, by K. Balachandran " , > (KP > > Year Book, 1999, pp 74-75); " Aspects and Orbs in K.P.- New > > Features " by T. R. Kumar " (KP Year Book, 2000, pp 80-83). > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1> > > wrote: > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > You say... " I've always been under the > > impression... " > > > All K.P. students,should unlearn first, > > and then, study K.P. Readers,carefully...to avoid such > misconceptions > > to creep in... > > > Also please do not carry any so- > > called " old,and widely held beliefs among astrologers of yore " ,as > > they are against most of the teachings of our Guruji the revered > > KSK...and he had spent his lifetime disproving these widely > > held " beliefs " ...quite convincingly... > > > This continual adhereance to old > > beliefs,mostly unscientific and unfounded in practice,leads to > such > > confusions Mr.Rangarajan... > > > The above is my humble opinion... > > > Yours sincerely, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > I have a fundamental question on western aspects: > > > Is the aspect between two planets directional? In other words, > if a > > > planet, say Moon aspects Venus, can we also say Venus aspects > Moon? > > Or > > > is it that an aspect just " exists " between two planets and one > > planet > > > does not aspect the other (or both planets aspect each other)? > > > > > > I have been under the impression that only a faster moving > planet > > can > > > aspect a slower moving planet and that aspect direction is > > important, > > > that is, Moon aspects Venus and not the other way. However, on > page > > > 248 of Second Reader, KSK talks of " Moon receiving good aspect > from > > > Venus " . > > > > > > Can someone throw light on this? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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