Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

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" MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7

<jyotish_vigyan >; " jytosh vidya "

<jyotish-vidya >; " jyotish shastra "

<jyotish_shastra >

Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:20 PM

Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Respected learned members,Namaskar,

Can any body reply what is the best remedy for deblited saturn,apart from

gifting items related to saturn etc.

regards

manoj kar

January 11, 2008

Madam,Namaskar,

Actually i have not seen ur earlier mail,might have miss.Can u kindly once

again suggest the mantra pl.

regards

manoj kar

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Manoj,

Is there a reason why you cannot recite Saturn mantra as I previously

advised??

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://www.jamesbraha.com/saturn_mantra.html

___

-

" MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7

<jyotish_vigyan >; " jytosh vidya "

<jyotish-vidya >; " jyotish shastra "

<jyotish_shastra >

Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:20 PM

Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Respected learned members,Namaskar,

Can any body reply what is the best remedy for deblited saturn,apart from

gifting items related to saturn etc.

regards

manoj kar

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Dear Manoj,

Here is the post I sent 4 days ago

_____

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:44 PM

**SPAM** Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti

Dear Manoj,

Saturn mantra (recited with devotion) would be good.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, January 07, 2008 6:01 PM

Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti

Respected Wendyji,Namaskar

Thanks fo ur suggsestions.Definitely i will obey ur advice.Can u pl

suggest whar should be the remedy for saturn.

regards

manoj kar

============================================

-

" MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:08 PM

Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Madam,Namaskar,

Actually i have not seen ur earlier mail,might have miss.Can u kindly once

again suggest the mantra pl.

regards

manoj kar

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Manoj,

Is there a reason why you cannot recite Saturn mantra as I previously

advised??

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://www.jamesbraha.com/saturn_mantra.html

___

January 11, 2008

Madam,

Thanks for ur advise,I have started reciting the mantra " Nilajana Samabhasam

................... tum namami saneshwaram " .Today is also saturday.

Thanks for ur advise.

regards

manoj kar

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Manoj,

Here is the post I sent 4 days ago

_____

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:44 PM

**SPAM** Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti

Dear Manoj,

Saturn mantra (recited with devotion) would be good.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, January 07, 2008 6:01 PM

Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti

Respected Wendyji,Namaskar

Thanks fo ur suggsestions.Definitely i will obey ur advice.Can u pl

suggest whar should be the remedy for saturn.

regards

manoj kar

============================================

-

" MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:08 PM

Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Madam,Namaskar,

Actually i have not seen ur earlier mail,might have miss.Can u kindly once

again suggest the mantra pl.

regards

manoj kar

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Manoj,

Is there a reason why you cannot recite Saturn mantra as I previously

advised??

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

> http://www.jamesbraha.com/saturn_mantra.html

___

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January 12, 2008

Free and very useful remedy is just chant the Shree shanidev Chalisa and water peepal tree daily. Avoid watering on sunday but do chalisa paath daily. Thank youMANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 wrote: Dear Respected learned members,Namaskar,Can any body reply what is the best remedy for deblited saturn,apart from gifting items related to saturn etc.regardsmanoj kar Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how.

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Respected Rajivji,Namaskar, Can u pl suggest the sani chalisa mantra ? In my house there is a small peepal tree in a small earthen pot,i am offering water to it & lighting diya in front of the peepal tree on saturday evening,is it ok or i have to search some big peepal tree.Pl suggest. regards manoj kar rajeev asija <rajeevasija wrote: Free and very useful remedy is just chant the Shree shanidev Chalisa and water

peepal tree daily. Avoid watering on sunday but do chalisa paath daily. Thank youMANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Respected learned members,Namaskar,Can any body reply what is the best remedy for deblited saturn,apart from gifting items related to saturn etc.regardsmanoj kar Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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Dear Wendyji and other members,

Can Shani mantra be recited by women?

I have heard that ladies cannot recite shani mantra.

Is this true?

I am running Shani Mahadasa. What would be helpful remedies?

Looking for a response.

Thanks,

SM

jyotish-vidya , MANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7

wrote:

>

> Madam,

>

> Thanks for ur advise,I have started reciting the mantra " Nilajana

Samabhasam .................. tum namami saneshwaram " .Today is also

saturday.

>

> Thanks for ur advise.

>

> regards

> manoj kar

>

> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Here is the post I sent 4 days ago

> _____

>

> -

> " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:44 PM

> **SPAM** Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti

>

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Saturn mantra (recited with devotion) would be good.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Monday, January 07, 2008 6:01 PM

> Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti

>

> Respected Wendyji,Namaskar

>

> Thanks fo ur suggsestions.Definitely i will obey ur advice.Can u pl

> suggest whar should be the remedy for saturn.

>

> regards

> manoj kar

> ============================================

>

> -

> " MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:08 PM

> Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

>

> Madam,Namaskar,

>

> Actually i have not seen ur earlier mail,might have miss.Can u

kindly once

> again suggest the mantra pl.

>

> regards

> manoj kar

>

> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Is there a reason why you cannot recite Saturn mantra as I

previously

> advised??

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

> Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required.

>

January 14, 2008

Sir, good afternoon, first of all, there is not any shani chalisa mantra. Actually Shani chalisa is a two page poem with aarti. Secondly, There should not be any peepal tree in the house. That is only for girls or women because they can not go out of the house in evening to light a lamp. If you can do, do the shanivar vart every saturday because that is the most powerful remedy to appease all the three rahudev, ketudev and shanidev. Water the peepal tree in the morning but lamp should be lighted in evening specially on saturday if not possible everyday. Pray to peepal devta to help you in all the fields of your life. Feed basin food stuff to the black crow daily. Put some papdi, bhujiya type stuff to crow in the morning and never do smoking and consuming liquor and friend ship with girls because shanidev is a god who like the person with high principles. Whenever you feel that you are in a problem, pray to shanidevto to help you, he is a quick acting dev who can do any

thing for you. Best of luck RajeevMANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 wrote: Respected Rajivji,Namaskar, Can u pl suggest the sani chalisa mantra ? In my house there is a small peepal tree in a small earthen pot,i am offering water to it & lighting diya in front of the peepal tree on saturday evening,is it ok or i have to search some big peepal tree.Pl suggest. regards manoj kar rajeev asija

<rajeevasija > wrote: Free and very useful remedy is just chant the Shree shanidev Chalisa and water peepal tree daily. Avoid watering on sunday but do chalisa paath daily. Thank youMANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Respected learned members,Namaskar,Can any body reply what is the best remedy for deblited saturn,apart from gifting items related to saturn etc.regardsmanoj kar Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions - all under one roof.

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January 14, 2008

Dear SM(?),

There's no reason whatsoever why women cannot recite Shani (or any other)

planetary mantra.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" sbmaheta " <sbmaheta

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:30 AM

Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Wendyji and other members,

Can Shani mantra be recited by women?

I have heard that ladies cannot recite shani mantra.

Is this true?

I am running Shani Mahadasa. What would be helpful remedies?

Looking for a response.

Thanks,

SM

January 14, 2008

Dear Wendy,

As I read your unambiguous response on this topic that keeps coming up from time

to time: this is what came to me: Biology indicates that at birth, men and women

have an equal 50/50 chance of being born.

So, since the mantraas are really intended for the soul, if there were mantras

specific for only males or only for females, then they could only be 50%

effective for the soul which was being born in or or the other gender!

Mantraas are for the soul, I remind myself, again!

Best wishes...

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Monday, January 14, 2008 8:48 PM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear SM(?),

There's no reason whatsoever why women cannot recite Shani (or any other)

planetary mantra.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" sbmaheta " <sbmaheta

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:30 AM

Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Wendyji and other members,

Can Shani mantra be recited by women?

I have heard that ladies cannot recite shani mantra.

Is this true?

I am running Shani Mahadasa. What would be helpful remedies?

Looking for a response.

Thanks,

SM

January 14, 2008

Dear Manas,

Well said :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" jyotishi " <jyotishi

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:09 AM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Wendy,

As I read your unambiguous response on this topic that keeps coming up from

time to time: this is what came to me: Biology indicates that at birth, men

and women have an equal 50/50 chance of being born.

So, since the mantraas are really intended for the soul, if there were

mantras specific for only males or only for females, then they could only be

50% effective for the soul which was being born in or or the other gender!

Mantraas are for the soul, I remind myself, again!

Best wishes...

January 14, 2008

Dear Jyotishi,

Agreed that mantras are not specific to any gender. But, I am not sure if they

are FOR the soul. In my opinion, Soul is beyond all mantras and tantras. As Shri

Krishna says nothing affects the soul. Mantras work at less subtle level - Body,

Mind and Intellect level.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Dear Wendy,

As I read your unambiguous response on this topic that keeps coming up from time

to time: this is what came to me: Biology indicates that at birth, men and women

have an equal 50/50 chance of being born.

So, since the mantraas are really intended for the soul, if there were mantras

specific for only males or only for females, then they could only be 50%

effective for the soul which was being born in or or the other gender!

Mantraas are for the soul, I remind myself, again!

Best wishes...

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Monday, January 14, 2008 8:48 PM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear SM(?),

There's no reason whatsoever why women cannot recite Shani (or any other)

planetary mantra.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" sbmaheta " <sbmaheta

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:30 AM

Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Wendyji and other members,

Can Shani mantra be recited by women?

I have heard that ladies cannot recite shani mantra.

Is this true?

I am running Shani Mahadasa. What would be helpful remedies?

Looking for a response.

Thanks,

SM

January 14, 2008

Dear Krishna,

I'm sure you won't mind if I interject here :-)

Of course we can be pedantic if we wish; however, I believe Manas' statement

was meant to be understood in a broader context. As Bhaskar has often said;

" such and such is food for the soul " .

Of course we all know that the soul does not require food, but we understand

the sentiment behind these sayings none-the-less...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:15 PM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Jyotishi,

Agreed that mantras are not specific to any gender. But, I am not sure if

they are FOR the soul. In my opinion, Soul is beyond all mantras and

tantras. As Shri Krishna says nothing affects the soul. Mantras work at less

subtle level - Body, Mind and Intellect level.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Dear Wendy,

As I read your unambiguous response on this topic that keeps coming up from

time to time: this is what came to me: Biology indicates that at birth, men

and women have an equal 50/50 chance of being born.

So, since the mantraas are really intended for the soul, if there were

mantras specific for only males or only for females, then they could only be

50% effective for the soul which was being born in or or the other gender!

Mantraas are for the soul, I remind myself, again!

January 15, 2008

Dear Wendy,

Of course I understood it. But, I wanted to see how manas would react...:-)

Regards,

Krishna

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Krishna,

I'm sure you won't mind if I interject here :-)

Of course we can be pedantic if we wish; however, I believe Manas' statement

was meant to be understood in a broader context. As Bhaskar has often said;

" such and such is food for the soul " .

Of course we all know that the soul does not require food, but we understand

the sentiment behind these sayings none-the-less...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:15 PM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Jyotishi,

Agreed that mantras are not specific to any gender. But, I am not sure if

they are FOR the soul. In my opinion, Soul is beyond all mantras and

tantras. As Shri Krishna says nothing affects the soul. Mantras work at less

subtle level - Body, Mind and Intellect level.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Dear Wendy,

As I read your unambiguous response on this topic that keeps coming up from

time to time: this is what came to me: Biology indicates that at birth, men

and women have an equal 50/50 chance of being born.

So, since the mantraas are really intended for the soul, if there were

mantras specific for only males or only for females, then they could only be

50% effective for the soul which was being born in or or the other gender!

Mantraas are for the soul, I remind myself, again!

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January 15, 2008

Same difference from a pragmatic perspective. That is what I meant! I did not

mean the BIG ATMA! Meant just the part of the atma that we can change,

influence, modulate, modify and through that improve ourselves and our destiny!

The fifth house, if you catch my drift!

Regards!

-

Krishnamurthy Seetharama

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:15 AM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Jyotishi,

Agreed that mantras are not specific to any gender. But, I am not sure if they

are FOR the soul. In my opinion, Soul is beyond all mantras and tantras. As Shri

Krishna says nothing affects the soul. Mantras work at less subtle level - Body,

Mind and Intellect level.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Dear Wendy,

As I read your unambiguous response on this topic that keeps coming up from

time to time: this is what came to me: Biology indicates that at birth, men and

women have an equal 50/50 chance of being born.

So, since the mantraas are really intended for the soul, if there were mantras

specific for only males or only for females, then they could only be 50%

effective for the soul which was being born in or or the other gender!

Mantraas are for the soul, I remind myself, again!

Best wishes...

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Monday, January 14, 2008 8:48 PM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear SM(?),

There's no reason whatsoever why women cannot recite Shani (or any other)

planetary mantra.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" sbmaheta " <sbmaheta

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:30 AM

Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Wendyji and other members,

Can Shani mantra be recited by women?

I have heard that ladies cannot recite shani mantra.

Is this true?

I am running Shani Mahadasa. What would be helpful remedies?

Looking for a response.

Thanks,

SM

January 15, 2008

In fact some say that mantras through proper chanting, proper associated

rituals, proper understanding at different levels of understanding and

expression possible -- are means to raise the (for the lack of a better term)

vibration of the grosser and more visible tips of the Iceberg of existence, so

that the gross begins to resonate with the finer levels of

manifestation/existence and through such refinement, on the one hand can express

as improved destiny or other physical and worldly or even mental effects, but

essentially is moving towards becoming one in identity with that big Soul that

Krishna and krishna (this forum) talked about!

Obviously, there is a lot about this area/topic that cannot be transferred

technically or acquired by reading books or internet messages and so on and is

an experience that must be lived for it to express its reality.

Namastey!

-

jyotishi

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:53 PM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Same difference from a pragmatic perspective. That is what I meant! I did not

mean the BIG ATMA! Meant just the part of the atma that we can change,

influence, modulate, modify and through that improve ourselves and our destiny!

The fifth house, if you catch my drift!

Regards!

-

Krishnamurthy Seetharama

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:15 AM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Jyotishi,

Agreed that mantras are not specific to any gender. But, I am not sure if they

are FOR the soul. In my opinion, Soul is beyond all mantras and tantras. As Shri

Krishna says nothing affects the soul. Mantras work at less subtle level - Body,

Mind and Intellect level.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Dear Wendy,

As I read your unambiguous response on this topic that keeps coming up from

time to time: this is what came to me: Biology indicates that at birth, men and

women have an equal 50/50 chance of being born.

So, since the mantraas are really intended for the soul, if there were mantras

specific for only males or only for females, then they could only be 50%

effective for the soul which was being born in or or the other gender!

Mantraas are for the soul, I remind myself, again!

Best wishes...

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Monday, January 14, 2008 8:48 PM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear SM(?),

There's no reason whatsoever why women cannot recite Shani (or any other)

planetary mantra.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" sbmaheta " <sbmaheta

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:30 AM

Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Wendyji and other members,

Can Shani mantra be recited by women?

I have heard that ladies cannot recite shani mantra.

Is this true?

I am running Shani Mahadasa. What would be helpful remedies?

Looking for a response.

Thanks,

SM

January 15, 2008

Dear Manas,

Proabably, I failed to catch your drift! I am not sure how we can

change/influence/modulate/modify even a part of the atma. Your 'part of the

atma' sounds like body, mind and intellect to me. If that is what you mean, I am

with you.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Same difference from a pragmatic perspective. That is what I meant! I

did not mean the BIG ATMA! Meant just the part of the atma that we can change,

influence, modulate, modify and through that improve ourselves and our destiny!

The fifth house, if you catch my drift!

Regards!

-

Krishnamurthy Seetharama

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:15 AM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Jyotishi,

Agreed that mantras are not specific to any gender. But, I am not sure if they

are FOR the soul. In my opinion, Soul is beyond all mantras and tantras. As Shri

Krishna says nothing affects the soul. Mantras work at less subtle level - Body,

Mind and Intellect level.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Dear Wendy,

As I read your unambiguous response on this topic that keeps coming up from time

to time: this is what came to me: Biology indicates that at birth, men and women

have an equal 50/50 chance of being born.

So, since the mantraas are really intended for the soul, if there were mantras

specific for only males or only for females, then they could only be 50%

effective for the soul which was being born in or or the other gender!

Mantraas are for the soul, I remind myself, again!

Best wishes...

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Monday, January 14, 2008 8:48 PM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear SM(?),

There's no reason whatsoever why women cannot recite Shani (or any other)

planetary mantra.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

> http://www.jamesbraha.com/saturn_mantra.html

___

-

" sbmaheta " <sbmaheta

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:30 AM

Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Wendyji and other members,

Can Shani mantra be recited by women?

I have heard that ladies cannot recite shani mantra.

Is this true?

I am running Shani Mahadasa. What would be helpful remedies?

Looking for a response.

Thanks,

SM

January 16, 2008

Dear Wendyji

Could you answer a related question. Some people say that reciting the

mantra of a planet when it's malefic, increases the problems. The

reason they give is that planet doesn't act intelligently, although

the deity of the planet can. So if one invokes more energy of that

planet,more harm happens.

Case in point: how about Saturn in Lagna, in its MKS.Reciting shani

mantra would increase the tamas associated with the planet already?

Best rgds

Shiv

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Here is the post I sent 4 days ago

> _____

>

> -

> " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:44 PM

> **SPAM** Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti

>

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Saturn mantra (recited with devotion) would be good.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Monday, January 07, 2008 6:01 PM

> Re: Re: K.S. Krishnamurti

>

> Respected Wendyji,Namaskar

>

> Thanks fo ur suggsestions.Definitely i will obey ur advice.Can u pl

> suggest whar should be the remedy for saturn.

>

> regards

> manoj kar

> ============================================

>

> -

> " MANOJ KAR " <manoj_kar7

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:08 PM

> Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

>

> Madam,Namaskar,

>

> Actually i have not seen ur earlier mail,might have miss.Can u

kindly once

> again suggest the mantra pl.

>

> regards

> manoj kar

>

> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Is there a reason why you cannot recite Saturn mantra as I previously

> advised??

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

January 16, 2008

exactly Krishna ji! It is all one big continuum, like an iceberg. The tiny

visible part that we experience or are aware of is the body, mind, and

subconscious and the rest there, supporting the fragile tip (that incarnated)

but just beyond the awareness of most.

I am sticking with that imagery, whether you like it or not <namastey!>

-

Krishnamurthy Seetharama

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:39 AM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Manas,

Proabably, I failed to catch your drift! I am not sure how we can

change/influence/modulate/modify even a part of the atma. Your 'part of the

atma' sounds like body, mind and intellect to me. If that is what you mean, I am

with you.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Same difference from a pragmatic perspective. That is what I meant! I did not

mean the BIG ATMA! Meant just the part of the atma that we can change,

influence, modulate, modify and through that improve ourselves and our destiny!

The fifth house, if you catch my drift!

Regards!

-

Krishnamurthy Seetharama

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:15 AM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Jyotishi,

Agreed that mantras are not specific to any gender. But, I am not sure if they

are FOR the soul. In my opinion, Soul is beyond all mantras and tantras. As Shri

Krishna says nothing affects the soul. Mantras work at less subtle level - Body,

Mind and Intellect level.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Dear Wendy,

As I read your unambiguous response on this topic that keeps coming up from

time to time: this is what came to me: Biology indicates that at birth, men and

women have an equal 50/50 chance of being born.

So, since the mantraas are really intended for the soul, if there were mantras

specific for only males or only for females, then they could only be 50%

effective for the soul which was being born in or or the other gender!

Mantraas are for the soul, I remind myself, again!

Best wishes...

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Monday, January 14, 2008 8:48 PM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear SM(?),

There's no reason whatsoever why women cannot recite Shani (or any other)

planetary mantra.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" sbmaheta " <sbmaheta

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:30 AM

Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Wendyji and other members,

Can Shani mantra be recited by women?

I have heard that ladies cannot recite shani mantra.

Is this true?

I am running Shani Mahadasa. What would be helpful remedies?

Looking for a response.

Thanks,

SM

January 16, 2008

Dear Shiv,

If you wouldn't wear the gem, you wouldn't recite the mantra. A malefic

planet i.e., malefic to lagna, should be propitiated instead. One needs to

consider (also) the relationship between the planets in a particular

horoscope as well as the effect of aspects etc..

Would strengthening the influence of one be detrimental to another? All

these things need to be considered.

In Manoj's case, Saturn is YogaKaraka (owning 9th/10th) he has no major

aspect to other planets, is a natural friend to lagna lord Venus and,

importantly, he aspects his own home (9th) from sign of debilitation.

No doubt strengthening the quality of Saturn would strengthen the

significations of the houses he rules.

We talked earlier about how a bhava benefits from the aspect of its lord,

however, if that lord is debilitated where is the benefit?

The significations of that bhava are weakened due to the weakened state of

its lord...is this not so?

As in life (generally) there are compromises to make and we have to ask

ourselves; are we mature enough as astrologers to understand the

consequences of those compromises.

For a man (particularly) 10th house of career/status is extremely important

but does it take precedence over other house lords that Saturn may be

temporarily inimical to?

We need to consider carefully the fact that Saturn's (temporary)

relationship, with all but Rahu, is hostile; and, for Manoj, both dasa and

bhukti lords (MO/VE) are aspecting 10th house. Is their aspect on 10th

detrimental enough to hinder the significations of this vital house; and

(importantly) would strengthening the significations of this house (through

its lord, Saturn) be detrimental to the significations of dasa/bhukti lords

(MO/VE) whom Saturn is temporarily hostile towards??

I ask Manoj (and others) to consider this now and give their opinion.

I myself, after 20yrs experience, hesitate to give remedial measures due to

the fact that we have to be absolutely sure our recommendation will do no

harm.

With age and experience I've come to the conclusion that prayer and

meditation are the very best remedies of all...in the silence of deep

meditation much of our karma gets resolved :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" Shiv " <theblisswithin

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:16 AM

Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Wendyji

Could you answer a related question. Some people say that reciting the

mantra of a planet when it's malefic, increases the problems. The

reason they give is that planet doesn't act intelligently, although

the deity of the planet can. So if one invokes more energy of that

planet,more harm happens.

Case in point: how about Saturn in Lagna, in its MKS.Reciting shani

mantra would increase the tamas associated with the planet already?

Best rgds

Shiv

January 16, 2008

Wendy,

I hope it is okay that I only quoted portion of your message that I am focusing

on (to save bandwidth and easy honing-in my busy readers.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom and personal experience spanning 20 years and

appropriate recommendations to follow.

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:45 PM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

...

I myself, after 20yrs experience, hesitate to give remedial measures due to

the fact that we have to be absolutely sure our recommendation will do no

harm.

With age and experience I've come to the conclusion that prayer and

meditation are the very best remedies of all...in the silence of deep

meditation much of our karma gets resolved :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" Shiv " <theblisswithin

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:16 AM

Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Wendyji

Could you answer a related question. Some people say that reciting the

mantra of a planet when it's malefic, increases the problems. The

reason they give is that planet doesn't act intelligently, although

the deity of the planet can. So if one invokes more energy of that

planet,more harm happens.

Case in point: how about Saturn in Lagna, in its MKS.Reciting shani

mantra would increase the tamas associated with the planet already?

Best rgds

Shiv

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January 16, 2008

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

You wrote:

With age and experience I've come to the conclusion that prayer and

meditation are the very best remedies of all...in the silence of deep

meditation much of our karma gets resolved :-)

Ravindramani writes:

Thanks for this view.

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

January 16, 2008

Well said Manas!

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote: exactly Krishna ji! It is all one

big continuum, like an iceberg. The tiny visible part that we experience or are

aware of is the body, mind, and subconscious and the rest there, supporting the

fragile tip (that incarnated) but just beyond the awareness of most.

I am sticking with that imagery, whether you like it or not <namastey!>

-

Krishnamurthy Seetharama

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:39 AM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Manas,

Proabably, I failed to catch your drift! I am not sure how we can

change/influence/modulate/modify even a part of the atma. Your 'part of the

atma' sounds like body, mind and intellect to me. If that is what you mean, I am

with you.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Same difference from a pragmatic perspective. That is what I meant! I did not

mean the BIG ATMA! Meant just the part of the atma that we can change,

influence, modulate, modify and through that improve ourselves and our destiny!

The fifth house, if you catch my drift!

Regards!

-

Krishnamurthy Seetharama

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:15 AM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear Jyotishi,

Agreed that mantras are not specific to any gender. But, I am not sure if they

are FOR the soul. In my opinion, Soul is beyond all mantras and tantras. As Shri

Krishna says nothing affects the soul. Mantras work at less subtle level - Body,

Mind and Intellect level.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Dear Wendy,

As I read your unambiguous response on this topic that keeps coming up from time

to time: this is what came to me: Biology indicates that at birth, men and women

have an equal 50/50 chance of being born.

So, since the mantraas are really intended for the soul, if there were mantras

specific for only males or only for females, then they could only be 50%

effective for the soul which was being born in or or the other gender!

Mantraas are for the soul, I remind myself, again!

Best wishes...

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Monday, January 14, 2008 8:48 PM

Re: Re: Upaya for Deblited Saturn.

Dear SM(?),

There's no reason whatsoever why women cannot recite Shani (or any other)

planetary mantra.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy