Guest guest Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Dear Ratnakar ji, What you have said may or may not be true in all cases. So long as the indication of a Pitri Rin is established in a kundali and is corroborated by the events/happenings in the family , the upaya for the pitri rin is called for. It is not neccessary that one or more planets are consistently manda or badly placed in the kundalis of the rest of the family; they may or may not be. Just thinking loud. regards, Chandra Prakash , " ratnakardubey " <ratnakardubey wrote: > > Sir, > > There will be one more thing noticed in the kundalis of the family > under the Rin that one or two planets will be consistantly manda in > them. > These manda planets may not have any thing to do with the Rin as > such. For example either of the papi grah could be manda in the > majority of the kundalis in that family although the Rin may be of > Jupiter and Mercury. > I do not think that the Pitri Rin is a common thing.jab koi aur > karan samajh mein na araha ho to Pitri Rin par bhi ek nazar mar leni > chahiye. > Pt. Krishna Ashaant ji has said that there are three conditions of > Pitri Rin and the upaya should be done for two planets and not one. > Pt. Krishna ashaant ji bhi Pitri Rin ko uljhana ke grah naam ke > chapter ka hissa mante hain > > faithfully, > > Ratnakar > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kiranjit ji, > > > > Yes you are very right that the Pitri Rin will be indicated at > least > > in one kundali of that family line. And if it is indicated then > the > > upaya should be done by collecting the share of upaya from the > whole > > family. > > Could you please express your opinion on other questions also that > > are of concern. These questions or discussion points are given at > > the end of the note. > > It will be a very valuable contribution to the topic. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kapatjal " > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > dear tyagi ji, > > > the explanation is excellent.But I think,if one 's horoscope is > > > afflicted with pitri rin, the pitri rin shall affect at least > one > > > male line of that family;suppose one has 3sons;the pitri rin > shall > > > appear in alteast one of the sones and his line of male members. > > > that is is why it is necessary to do the remedy so that whole > > > khaandaan of that line gets rid of ptri rin. > > > sincerely, > > > kiranjeet the male members of that line--- In > > > , Chandra Prakash Tyagi > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we enjoy the wealth, name and fame earned by our > > ancestors > > > we are equally liable to suffer and pay for their misdeeds too. > > The > > > dosh created as a result of the bad deeds by our ancestors is > > > paitrik-dosh or pitra-rin . Pitri rin is different from the > `pitri- > > > shraap' or the curse of the ancestors. The `pitri-shraap' is a > > > result of the ancestors cursing their progeny for having > > misbehaved > > > with them, having ignored them or for not having followed the > > family > > > traditions. > > > > > > > > Even in the legal system we are held responsible for the > > debts > > > of our forefathers similarly in astrology too we have to pay > their > > > debts. > > > > > > > > Brahat parashar gives 14 kinds of pitra-dosh, Mantreshwar in > > > Phal Deepika says that rahu in the 5th creates pishach-badha, > > Gopal > > > Ratnakar calls it sarp-shraap. In the traditional vedic > astrology > > > Rahu is considered the main cause of these dosh . > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab in its 1952 edition discusses this problem in > great > > > detail along with its remedies. I quote from Lal Kitab : > > > > > > > > {ghar nauve ho koi grah baitha,budh baitha jad saathi ho > > > > rin pitri us ghar se hoga ,asar grah sab nisphal ho ; > > > > saathi grah jab jad koi kate ,drishti magar wo chhupta ho > > > > paanch ,barah, do, nau koi mande, rin pitri ban jaata ho } > > > > > > > > These lines describe THREE conditions of pitra-rin: > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] ' ghar nauve ho koi grah baitha , budh baitha jad > saathi > > > > ho ' ---- If there is a planet in the 9th house and Mercury > > > occupies the rashi { sign } of that planet then it will be a > pitr- > > > rin kundali. For example jupiter is in the 9th house and if > > mercury > > > is in either sagittarius or pisces , or suppose venus is in the > > 9th > > > house and mercury is placed in either taurus or libra then there > > > will be an indication of a possible `pitri rin' > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] ' saathi grah jab jad koi kate , drishti magar wo > > chhuptaa > > > > ho ' --- when the enemy planets occupy a rashi and is not > > > aspected by the rashi lord , the kundali will be of pitr-rin. > For > > > example if the enemy planets of saturn like sun , moon or mars > > > occupy either makar or kumbha and if the Saturn doesn't have an > > > aspect on that rasi , there could be a possibility of a `pitri > > rin' . > > > > > > > > [ 3 ] 'paanch barah nau do koi mande , rin pitra ban jaata > > ho' -- > > > - if there is an enemy planet of Jupiter like venus or mercury > in > > > the 5th , 12th , 9th and 2nd then also it will be a pitr-rin > > > kundali . > > > > > > > > {of the three couplets the first two talk of the rasi and > the > > > third one talks of the pakka ghar of Jupiter.} > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lal kitab suggests remedies in detail for pitr-rin > arising > > > out of such situations . It provides the detailed cause of these > > > debts, the planet involved and its remedies. > > > > > > > > Now how to go about suggesting upaya for `Pitri-Rin'? It is > a > > > three step process : > > > > > > > > Step 1 > > > > > > > > Make sure that all the three conditions laid down are > > fulfilled. > > > If only one or two conditions are fulfilled then the horoscope > > will > > > not have a `pitri Rin' dosh. All the three conditions have to be > > > fulfilled. This will indicate the planet causing the `rin'. > > > > > > > > Step 2 > > > > > > > > If the three conditions are fulfilled and the planet > > identified, > > > then the next step is to verify the indications of `pitri rin' > for > > > that particular planet. The Lal Kitab gives a detailed list of > > > indications for each planet causing `pitri rin' > > > > > > > > Step 3 > > > > > > > > After having completed the first two steps, it becomes > obvious > > > that the native is suffering from a `rin'. The third step is to > > > confirm this phenomenon from a few other horoscopes of the > family > > > members. If there is a `rin' on the family it should be > reflected > > in > > > a few, if not all , horoscopes from the same family. > > > > > > > > > > [ from the notes of my guru ji ] > > > > > > > > There can be a situation where the Rin is not indicated in > > other > > > kundalis of the family. Take the example of the son of a doctor > > who > > > destroys the girl child fetus after ascertaining the sex of the > > > embryo. Now the father is committing a sin against kanyas. This > > Rin > > > could get reflected in the kundali of his progeny but not in > other > > > kundalis of the family. Therefore even if the Rin is detected > in > > > one single kundali the upaya should be done. > > > > The third step is primarily to ascertain the severity and > the > > > expanse of the curse. > > > > > > > > A few questions that are of concern and need to be > discussed : > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Is Pitri Rin a common occurrence ? Or it is a rare > > > combination. > > > > > > > > I feel that it is a very rare occurrence. There will be just > a > > > few horoscopes out of a thousand which will qualify under all > the > > > three conditions. The frequency of occurrence can not be 33% as > > > claimed by some, it will be some thing like .005%. > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] What is the over all relevance of this combination > while > > > studying a horoscope? What did Pandit Roop Chand ji { peace be > > upon > > > him} feel about it? > > > > It is only in the 1952 edition that Pitri Rin is explained > in > > > some detail. In 1941 edition { gutka } it finds a mention under > > the > > > section `Rin' in the form of a table for planet and the kind of > > rin. > > > At the end of the table there are two lines like a foot note > > > saying, " jis grah ki jar mein uska dushman jab phal barbaad kar > > > raha ho, aur khud bhi woh grah manda ho raha ho to pitri rin > hoga " > > > > In my opinion there could be either of the two > possibilities : > > > one that the concept of Pitri Rin had not crystallized , till > > 1952 , > > > in the mind of Pandit ji. Secondly he did not think it important > > > enough as to include a section on Pitri Rin , in some detail, in > > the > > > books published prior to 1952. > > > > > > > > I tend to accept both the possibilities. > > > > > > > > [ 3 ] Are there two conditions to be fulfilled or there are > > > three conditions to be fulfilled? > > > > > > > > I adhere to the three conditions which are enumerated above. > > > > > > > > [ 4 ] Is the upaya to be done for two planets or for one? > > > > Recently some one claimed having seen four kundalis where > he > > > claims that pandit ji had suggested Pitri Rin upaya for one > planet > > > in each kundali. > > > > > > > > I feel that the upaya has to be done for two planets and not > > > one: `jo grah nikamma ho gaya hai aur doosara jisne pahale grah > ko > > > nikamma kiya hai' i.e. the upaya has to be done for two planets > > one > > > that has been afflicted and the other which has afflicted the > > first > > > one. > > > > If an upaya has been suggested only for one planet then it > > could > > > be an upaya for any thing else but not an upaya for pitri rin. > > > > > > > > [ 5 ] Is it necessary that the Pitri Rin has to be evident > in > > a > > > few more kundalis of the family? > > > > I think no. > > > > I have quoted a situation above where it is evident that the > > rin > > > will be reflected only in the kundali of the progeny of the > doctor > > > and not in the kundali of the doctor or his generation. > > > > > > > > [ 6 ] Is the chapter on Pitri Rin titled as ` uljhan ke grah > ` > > > in the 1952 urdu edition? > > > > > > > > Yes. I am uploading the page 121 and page 122 of the lal > > Kitab > > > urdu edition in the file section for every one to see. The > chapter > > > on Pitri Rin starts at 121, the title page. > > > > If some one claims that pandit ji meant some thing else > > > by `uljhan ke grah' and not the pitri rin, then let him come out > > > with it. > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > > Answers > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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